[RBW] Re: Rivlike BIkes and shellacking their bars

2009-01-11 Thread Tim McNamara

On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:13 PM, James Warren wrote:

> Sorry, sorry, sorry. I never knew how the technology worked until now.
> I always assumed that if you change the name of the subject line, then
> a new thread automatically begins. But now I've learned that the  
> thread
> is still defined by the message to which you hit "reply". I always
> thought I was doing it right.

No biggie.  If you look at the headers for this message (in Apple  
Mail hit Cmd-Shift-H; I don't know about other applications) and  
scroll down, you'll see a header named "References:" which is how  
most mail applications sort e-mails into threads rather than using  
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is still within that reference trace.  Your brain, of course, tends  
to sort by the subject header and author and doesn't use the  
"References:" header at all, so the outcome of having posts with  
different subjects in the same thread looks weird.

BTW, some e-mail programs "eat" or mangle the "References:" header;  
this results in posts to a thread not being included in the thread  
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to sort the post into the thread.  Some mail applications can be  
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If you want to change the subject and start a new thread, open a new  
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike BIkes and shellacking their bars

2009-01-11 Thread James Warren


Sorry, sorry, sorry. I never knew how the technology worked until now. 
I always assumed that if you change the name of the subject line, then 
a new thread automatically begins. But now I've learned that the thread 
is still defined by the message to which you hit "reply". I always 
thought I was doing it right.

Well, to keep things on topic (the subject "Rivlike Bikes" can work for 
any topic on this list), I like that on Youtube, Rivendell now has 
three shellacking examples, one very careful and crafty, one fast and a 
tiny bit drippy, and one funny. Take a look.

-James

On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:34 AM, fenderbender wrote:

>
> Well it's back to "Rivlike Bike" now but how on earth could this
> happen?
>
>
>
> On 11 Jan, 13:06, Esteban  wrote:
>> I'm sure that was a mistake
>>
>> On Jan 11, 3:57 am, fenderbender  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Why has this thread suddenly been renamed from "Rivlike Bikes"to "2
>>> shellac methods"? Are there net-terrorists amongst us? Will the
>>> president inter wen and punish the evil-doers? Should I listen to my
>>> doctor and start taking those pills he prescribed? A!
>>
>>> On 11 Jan, 08:04, James Warren  wrote:
>>
 I just noticed this for the first time:
>>
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPcpnylK-4&feature=channel- Dölj 
 citerad text -
>>
>> - Visa citerad text -
> >


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[RBW] Re: Rivlike BIkes

2009-01-11 Thread fenderbender

Well it's back to "Rivlike Bike" now but how on earth could this
happen?



On 11 Jan, 13:06, Esteban  wrote:
> I'm sure that was a mistake
>
> On Jan 11, 3:57 am, fenderbender  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why has this thread suddenly been renamed from "Rivlike Bikes"to "2
> > shellac methods"? Are there net-terrorists amongst us? Will the
> > president inter wen and punish the evil-doers? Should I listen to my
> > doctor and start taking those pills he prescribed? A!
>
> > On 11 Jan, 08:04, James Warren  wrote:
>
> > > I just noticed this for the first time:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPcpnylK-4&feature=channel- Dölj citerad 
> > >text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike BIkes

2009-01-11 Thread Esteban

I'm sure that was a mistake

On Jan 11, 3:57 am, fenderbender  wrote:
> Why has this thread suddenly been renamed from "Rivlike Bikes"to "2
> shellac methods"? Are there net-terrorists amongst us? Will the
> president inter wen and punish the evil-doers? Should I listen to my
> doctor and start taking those pills he prescribed? A!
>
> On 11 Jan, 08:04, James Warren  wrote:
>
> > I just noticed this for the first time:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPcpnylK-4&feature=channel
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-10 Thread tarik saleh

597 is a Schwinn tire, usually referred to as the S6.  You can get
tires for them, but only low end 1-3/8" tires. Rims are hard to come
by outside of steel ones via Schwinn collectors, even then they are
not common as the s-7 (571!) which is one of the more baloony schwinn
tires. You can get fantastic 590 tires if you are diligent, but
usually it is only hardware store quality tires, however I think you
can fit 700cx32mm tires in an international. So what are we trying to
solve again?



On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Bruce  wrote:
> There are both 590 and 597 made.  Look at the drop down chart here:
>
> http://www.bicycletires.com/bicycle_tires.asp
>
> 
>
>  Is there a wheel size around 600mm?
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>



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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-10 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I haven't seen any 597 rims, and all 597 tires are really low end. 590
is good, but not that much bigger than 584.

The International is a wonderful bicycle. What's wrong with sticking
with 630/622 wheels?

On Jan 10, 5:54 am, Bruce  wrote:
> There are both 590 and 597 made.  Look at the drop down chart here:
>
> http://www.bicycletires.com/bicycle_tires.asp
>
> 
>
>  Is there a wheel size around 600mm?
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-10 Thread Bruce
There are both 590 and 597 made.  Look at the drop down chart here:

http://www.bicycletires.com/bicycle_tires.asp







 Is there a wheel size around 600mm?

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX


  
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-09 Thread CycloFiend

on 1/9/09 7:12 PM, Bill Connell at bconn...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> When we were in Carlsbad last Sunday didn't someone mention Grant talking
>> about "yet" another wheel size, 600 something-ish?
> 
> Grant wrote in a Reader a couple of years back about creating a 603mm
> BSD rim size designed mostly to allow 700c racing bikes to take a
> fatter tire. The idea is that you gain some clearance, but for frames
> that were designed for short reach brakes, you can still reach the
> rims with longer caliper brakes. Often a 700c->650b conversion will
> need to use very long-reach brakes, which get pretty flexy and low on
> stopping power.

I knew there was a reason I scanned that...
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/archive01.html#603

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-09 Thread Bill Connell

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:
>
> When we were in Carlsbad last Sunday didn't someone mention Grant talking
> about "yet" another wheel size, 600 something-ish?

Grant wrote in a Reader a couple of years back about creating a 603mm
BSD rim size designed mostly to allow 700c racing bikes to take a
fatter tire. The idea is that you gain some clearance, but for frames
that were designed for short reach brakes, you can still reach the
rims with longer caliper brakes. Often a 700c->650b conversion will
need to use very long-reach brakes, which get pretty flexy and low on
stopping power.

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St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-09 Thread Doug Peterson

When we were in Carlsbad last Sunday didn't someone mention Grant talking
about "yet" another wheel size, 600 something-ish?  

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

I'd like to drop the wheel size from the stock 630,
but 622 is still a little large and the 584 is a little small, no
sweet spots in between.  Is there a wheel size around 600mm?

Colin Cummings
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-09 Thread Bill M.

AASHTA - http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

Per Sheldon, 26 x 1 3/8 (E.A.3) three speed size = 650a = 590 mm.
Harris Cyclery shows Sun CR18 and some Weinmann rims in stock in
650a.  The Col del la Vie is available in 650a, and Schwalbe makes
several 590 tires in cluding one in creme.

Rims:  http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims/590.html

Tires:  http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims/590.html
http://www.schwalbetires.com/product_search?op0=OR&filter0%5B%5D=590-20&filter0%5B%5D=590-25&filter0%5B%5D=590-28%2F32&filter0%5B%5D=590-37&filter0%5B%5D=609-40

Grant at some point proposed a new size half way between 650b and 700c
(603?), but it's nothing more than an idea AFAIK.  Schwalbe has one
tire in 609 mm - I have no idea what that fits!

Bill

On Jan 9, 1:06 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> It's a money thing, but it would be painful.  I'm trying to find a way
> to keep one, which is preferable.
>
> Thanks for all the info everyone.  Besides my 59 Bleriot and unbuilt
> 58 Saluki, I have a 74(ish) repainted Raleigh International.  the
> raliegh is okay, I'd like to drop the wheel size from the stock 630,
> but 622 is still a little large and the 584 is a little small, no
> sweet spots in between.  Is there a wheel size around 600mm?
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> On Jan 8, 6:19 pm, Brewster Fong  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 3:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
> > wrote:> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what 
> > would
> > > be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> > > touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> > Why would you get rid of two riv bikes and replace it with something
> > older? I agree with others that you can always find a nice sport-
> > touring style bike, i.e., older Trek/Japanese bike, but if you got a
> > Riv, I say try to figure out how to keep at least one! Good Luck!
> > Brewster
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-09 Thread colin p. cummings

It's a money thing, but it would be painful.  I'm trying to find a way
to keep one, which is preferable.

Thanks for all the info everyone.  Besides my 59 Bleriot and unbuilt
58 Saluki, I have a 74(ish) repainted Raleigh International.  the
raliegh is okay, I'd like to drop the wheel size from the stock 630,
but 622 is still a little large and the 584 is a little small, no
sweet spots in between.  Is there a wheel size around 600mm?

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX

On Jan 8, 6:19 pm, Brewster Fong  wrote:
> On Jan 8, 3:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
> wrote:> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> > be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> > touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Why would you get rid of two riv bikes and replace it with something
> older? I agree with others that you can always find a nice sport-
> touring style bike, i.e., older Trek/Japanese bike, but if you got a
> Riv, I say try to figure out how to keep at least one! Good Luck!
> Brewster
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread Elfardo

Hey Colin,

I don't have much to add on replacement advice but I did grow up in
Canyon...

In high school and college I rode a lot on those windy roads up there.
Don't miss the wind a lot but I do have the yearning to take my
Quickbeam on that grid of endless dirt roads.

Actually I was in Amarillo with the QB a couple of months ago but
unfortunately you guys were having a bout of seriously crappy weather
so I didn't get a chance to ride until I came down off the caprock on
the way back south. If I make it back up there any time soon I'll drop
a mail to you.

Take care,
Clif Wright

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread Angus

The only time I have sold as Rivendell is to move to a larger size
(increasing age, stiffer back etc...)

Angus

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread JoelMatthews

And for the record, I agree with the sentiment it makes sense to keep
the Riv unless you have a real period restore in mind or something
like that.

On Jan 8, 6:54 pm, "PATRICK MOORE"  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM, colin p. cummings
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> > be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> > touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> > Colin Cummings
>
> Why? Definite, concrete dislikes or, at least, recognized and defined areas
> of insufficiency, or just a vague itch for change?  My 3 Rivs have been
> custom, so I was spared dislikes a priori, but whenever I think to myself,
> "Shit, man! You don't need a $.00 bicycle! You're completely happy on a
> $200 Motobecane with new, $200 Phil French bb!" I take another ride on one
> of the Rivs and begin once again inwardly to sing praises of Grant for his
> wonderful bikes.
>
> Put it this way: if you had a 198X Trek X20 or a 197X Motobecane Grand XXX,
> would you be thinking hard about a Rambouillet or Homer or whatever the
> current floor model is?
>
> It is hard to be a Riv, IME.
>
> Patrick "love the one you're with" Moore
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread JoelMatthews

> The Trek frames are "racier" but the do feature nice low BBs and the rear 
> dropout is a true lug with the tubes set into it, as is the seat cluster. 
> >Nicer, IMO than what RBW uses. The remaining Trek lugs are fine, but nowhere 
> near as nice as RBW. They also use more slender tubes. I >loved my '86 560.

Good catch.  Now that you mention it, I really do like the cluster
with Trek etched into the seat stays where they reach the top tubes.
The thin tubing is a nice look.

Mine is an '82 728.   Since I had to change just about all the parts -
former owner had let it go to pot - I guess technically it is now a
720.  It is my camper, so right now it is storage waiting for riding
weather to return to the upper midwest.  I miss my buddy.

On Jan 8, 6:45 pm, Bruce  wrote:
> The Trek frames are "racier" but the do feature nice low BBs and the rear 
> dropout is a true lug with the tubes set into it, as is the seat cluster. 
> Nicer, IMO than what RBW uses. The remaining Trek lugs are fine, but nowhere 
> near as nice as RBW. They also use more slender tubes. I loved my '86 560.
>
> 
> From: JoelMatthews 
>
> Personally, I like Treks from before around '86.  Trek followed a
> somewhat different geometry philosophy than Grant.  None of the Treks
> had lugs as lovely as those on Rivs and the nicer Bridgestones.
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread Doug Peterson
Patrick:

 

At least it didn't take you 3 tries to get it right today.  Nice to see
you're improving.  

 

dougP

 

  _  

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On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:


It is hard to be a Riv, IME.


Damnit, that's "It's hard to BEAT a Riv". 




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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
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>
> It is hard to be a Riv, IME.
>

Damnit, that's "It's hard to BEAT a Riv".

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM, colin p. cummings
wrote:

>
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings


Why? Definite, concrete dislikes or, at least, recognized and defined areas
of insufficiency, or just a vague itch for change?  My 3 Rivs have been
custom, so I was spared dislikes a priori, but whenever I think to myself,
"Shit, man! You don't need a $.00 bicycle! You're completely happy on a
$200 Motobecane with new, $200 Phil French bb!" I take another ride on one
of the Rivs and begin once again inwardly to sing praises of Grant for his
wonderful bikes.

Put it this way: if you had a 198X Trek X20 or a 197X Motobecane Grand XXX,
would you be thinking hard about a Rambouillet or Homer or whatever the
current floor model is?

It is hard to be a Riv, IME.

Patrick "love the one you're with" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread Bruce
The Trek frames are "racier" but the do feature nice low BBs and the rear 
dropout is a true lug with the tubes set into it, as is the seat cluster. 
Nicer, IMO than what RBW uses. The remaining Trek lugs are fine, but nowhere 
near as nice as RBW. They also use more slender tubes. I loved my '86 560.





From: JoelMatthews 

Personally, I like Treks from before around '86.  Trek followed a
somewhat different geometry philosophy than Grant.  None of the Treks
had lugs as lovely as those on Rivs and the nicer Bridgestones.


  
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread Brewster Fong



On Jan 8, 3:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
Why would you get rid of two riv bikes and replace it with something
older? I agree with others that you can always find a nice sport-
touring style bike, i.e., older Trek/Japanese bike, but if you got a
Riv, I say try to figure out how to keep at least one! Good Luck!
Brewster
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Late 70s or early 80s Centurion Pro Tour. Miyata 1000. Trek
520/620/720. Fuji Del Rey. Probably some Univegas. Specialized
Sequoia. 80s Specialized Stumpjumper.

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

2009-01-08 Thread JoelMatthews

Most obvious would be the Grant designed Bridgestones.

Sometimes you can get lucky and find an old Bruce Gordon on eBay.  If
you are real careful a few years Panasonic issued some real gems among
the ordinary.

Personally, I like Treks from before around '86.  Trek followed a
somewhat different geometry philosophy than Grant.  None of the Treks
had lugs as lovely as those on Rivs and the nicer Bridgestones.

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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