Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Yeah, those leafblowers suck. Er, blow, Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM, sameness wrote: > Nah, it's LA we're talking about. The closest thing to public intervention > on private property is the threat of a bad Yelp review or a scathing > Facebook post. > > Maybe the formation of a Pilates Moms Against Bike Theft & Leaf Blowers > taskforce. > > Had I tried to sell some organic produce without the proper chain of > custody, there'd be blood in the streets. > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angeles, CA USA > > On Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:30:00 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: >> >> Jeff - did anybody intervene or question you why you were walking away >> with a locked bike? After all, you could have been a thief! >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Nah, it's LA we're talking about. The closest thing to public intervention on private property is the threat of a bad Yelp review or a scathing Facebook post. Maybe the formation of a Pilates Moms Against Bike Theft & Leaf Blowers taskforce. Had I tried to sell some organic produce without the proper chain of custody, there'd be blood in the streets. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:30:00 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: > > Jeff - did anybody intervene or question you why you were walking away > with a locked bike? After all, you could have been a thief! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
At first I was surprised that noone would interrupt a bike thief in operation, when I heard about pedestrians not intervening when someone is stealing right out in the open. But then I realized, people probably are not interested in getting into a confrontation over a bike. Now if someone was stealing a baby out of a stroller, I could see Joe Citizen feeling that was worth the risk of getting beat, stabbed, or shot over. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Jeff - did anybody intervene or question you why you were walking away with a locked bike? After all, you could have been a thief! Matt On Friday, September 12, 2014 7:54:15 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote: > > Maybe I got soft living in rural Australia for those seven years, but when > I moved back to LA in February, I was confident that the venerable > Kryptonite U-lock and cable combo would suffice for security in a highly > visible public place. > > Until I came back to the bike rack right outside of a busy grocery store > no more than 10 minutes later to find that I had one more lock than I > started with. > > Some resourceful and obviously practiced would-be thief pulled the two > eyelets at the ends of my cable together and joined them with a storage > unit grade padlock. This effectively locked my front wheel to the frame, > rendering it unrideable. No doubt in the hope that I would leave it there > to regroup temporarily if not overnight, returning to find I was in the > market for a new (old) bike. > > I hefted and lugged and rolled and cursed my bike for the two miles back > home. Plenty of time to meditate on my inner vigilante. An angle grinder > made short work of the padlock. I kept it like a war vet trophy. > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angeles, CA USA > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:16:52 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: >> >> You might want to add a cable lock. That's two locks instead of one >> without adding much weight or nuisance to lock up. (The cable laced through >> the wheels and locked with the U still means only one lock.) >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
I am surprised that police make such an effort to arrest bike thieves. It is nice that they take bike theft seriously. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Maybe I got soft living in rural Australia for those seven years, but when I moved back to LA in February, I was confident that the venerable Kryptonite U-lock and cable combo would suffice for security in a highly visible public place. Until I came back to the bike rack right outside of a busy grocery store no more than 10 minutes later to find that I had one more lock than I started with. Some resourceful and obviously practiced would-be thief pulled the two eyelets at the ends of my cable together and joined them with a storage unit grade padlock. This effectively locked my front wheel to the frame, rendering it unrideable. No doubt in the hope that I would leave it there to regroup temporarily if not overnight, returning to find I was in the market for a new (old) bike. I hefted and lugged and rolled and cursed my bike for the two miles back home. Plenty of time to meditate on my inner vigilante. An angle grinder made short work of the padlock. I kept it like a war vet trophy. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:16:52 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: > > You might want to add a cable lock. That's two locks instead of one > without adding much weight or nuisance to lock up. (The cable laced through > the wheels and locked with the U still means only one lock.) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Sad but true. I can remember in Brooklyn if I was within 10 blocks of my place and someone asked me about the Bombadil I would just say it was some old steel bike I got from the shop that they had laying around. Didn't want to advertise I had a bike work a few grand sitting in my most of the day unoccupied apartment hallway. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: > This is slightly off topic, but > > I wish I could say that bike thieves in my area were mainly drug-needy. > Unfortunately we have have had several rashes of high end bike thefts that > generally occur in more upscale close-in neighbohoods. The thieves tend to > hit several garages in the same neighborhoods until they either are stopped > or decide to hit a different neighborhood. > > There was one series of thefts where the guy was actually a road biker and > would befriend people on group rides with the most expensive bikes and > later steal those same bikes! The police finally caught him though red > handed and IIRC he was nabbed with several hundred thousand dollars worth > of bikes in his possession. > > I'm not sure if many people who are focused on high end racing bikes would > know what to think of a Rivendell, but an astute thief certainly would. > > It makes me sad that we even have to post about this stuff. > > Until we can send all the bike thieves to Jabba the Hut's "Great *Pit* of > Carkoon" where they will be slowly digested over a thousand years, be > careful of who's peeking in your garage. > > -Jim > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:42 AM, ascpgh wrote: > >> I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical >> drug-needy bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known >> price. Here the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are >> dealer of hot goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots >> and have sort of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops >> $50, and bikes usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the >> aforethought of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a >> secluded-enough bike to chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good >> news about this tier of thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike >> will score them the same price. >> >> Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a >> bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the >> value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to >> enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to >> hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, >> establishing a background that built plausibility for higher volume of >> parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking >> questions. >> >> Andy Cheatham >> Pittsburgh >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew >>> Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the things? Simple answer: No. >>> >>> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >>> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >>> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >>> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >>> completely. >>> >>> >>> jim m >>> wc ca >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For mo
Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
This is slightly off topic, but I wish I could say that bike thieves in my area were mainly drug-needy. Unfortunately we have have had several rashes of high end bike thefts that generally occur in more upscale close-in neighbohoods. The thieves tend to hit several garages in the same neighborhoods until they either are stopped or decide to hit a different neighborhood. There was one series of thefts where the guy was actually a road biker and would befriend people on group rides with the most expensive bikes and later steal those same bikes! The police finally caught him though red handed and IIRC he was nabbed with several hundred thousand dollars worth of bikes in his possession. I'm not sure if many people who are focused on high end racing bikes would know what to think of a Rivendell, but an astute thief certainly would. It makes me sad that we even have to post about this stuff. Until we can send all the bike thieves to Jabba the Hut's "Great *Pit* of Carkoon" where they will be slowly digested over a thousand years, be careful of who's peeking in your garage. -Jim On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:42 AM, ascpgh wrote: > I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical drug-needy > bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known price. Here > the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are dealer of hot > goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots and have sort > of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops $50, and bikes > usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the aforethought > of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a secluded-enough bike to > chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good news about this tier of > thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike will score them the > same price. > > Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a > bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the > value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to > enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to > hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, > establishing a background that built plausibility for higher volume of > parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking > questions. > > Andy Cheatham > Pittsburgh > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: > >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro >> wrote: >>> >>> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use >>> U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock >>> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the >>> things? >>> >>> Simple answer: No. >> >> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >> completely. >> >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Interesting. I ride a fendered VO Rando with DT shifters, and it's been mistaken for a "classic" (i.e., OLD) bike a number of times, so I kind of hope that's protecting it from the sophisticated, and that the Abus U-lock and cable are protecting it from the "quick pick" thieves. So far, so good. On Friday, September 12, 2014 8:37:32 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: > > Hi Andy, > First, I'd like to point out that this was not my Sam. The owner used the > local, bike centric social media to spread the word about his stolen S. > Hillborne. > Secondly, I agree that it takes a more sophisticated bike thief to > recognize the "prize", and then have the means to defeat the defenses we > put on them. It wasn't a coincidence that this happened during the week > when urban planners from around N. America were in Pittsburgh to attend > the Pro Walk/Pro Bike Conference. More bike people--more nice bikes. I > wonder about the, arguably "smart" bike thief, then strolling into a well > known bike shop like Thick Bikes, and not expecting some raised eyebrows. > It will be interesting to get that info when it's out. > > > Rusty > > > > On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:42:54 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote: >> >> I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical >> drug-needy bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known >> price. Here the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are >> dealer of hot goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots >> and have sort of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops >> $50, and bikes usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the >> aforethought of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a >> secluded-enough bike to chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good >> news about this tier of thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike >> will score them the same price. >> >> Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a >> bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the >> value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to >> enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to >> hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, >> establishing a background that built plausibility for higher volume of >> parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking >> questions. >> >> Andy Cheatham >> Pittsburgh >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew >>> Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the things? Simple answer: No. >>> >>> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >>> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >>> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >>> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >>> completely. >>> >>> >>> jim m >>> wc ca >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Hi Andy, First, I'd like to point out that this was not my Sam. The owner used the local, bike centric social media to spread the word about his stolen S. Hillborne. Secondly, I agree that it takes a more sophisticated bike thief to recognize the "prize", and then have the means to defeat the defenses we put on them. It wasn't a coincidence that this happened during the week when urban planners from around N. America were in Pittsburgh to attend the Pro Walk/Pro Bike Conference. More bike people--more nice bikes. I wonder about the, arguably "smart" bike thief, then strolling into a well known bike shop like Thick Bikes, and not expecting some raised eyebrows. It will be interesting to get that info when it's out. Rusty On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:42:54 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote: > > I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical drug-needy > bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known price. Here > the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are dealer of hot > goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots and have sort > of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops $50, and bikes > usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the aforethought > of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a secluded-enough bike to > chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good news about this tier of > thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike will score them the > same price. > > Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a > bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the > value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to > enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to > hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, > establishing a background that built plausibility for higher volume of > parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking > questions. > > Andy Cheatham > Pittsburgh > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: >> >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro >> wrote: >>> >>> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use >>> U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock >>> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the >>> things? >>> >>> Simple answer: No. >> >> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >> completely. >> >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical drug-needy bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known price. Here the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are dealer of hot goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots and have sort of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops $50, and bikes usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the aforethought of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a secluded-enough bike to chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good news about this tier of thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike will score them the same price. Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, establishing a background that built plausibility for higher volume of parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking questions. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro > wrote: >> >> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use >> U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock >> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the >> things? >> >> Simple answer: No. > > An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see > videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC > -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It > sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched > completely. > > > jim m > wc ca > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
I bet the owner forgot to include the frame in the locking job. Just that one time. Just by mistake. And an opportunist walked by. No way would a thief "defeat" a u-lock, then lock it back up all neat and tidy. I have forgotten to include the frame in the lock once in the last couple of hundred times I've "locked" my bike... it happens occasionally. Glad he got his bike back. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
My wife and I got tungsten wedding bands so I researched the issue. While tungsten is very hard to cut, it's very easy to shatter! If you go to the ER with a stuck tungsten ring, they stick it (and your finger) in a clamp and take a hammer to it. Maybe it's possible to make a tungsten lock where the shape doesn't really facilitate shattering (like a thin ring) but I do know it would be HEAVY. I joke that in a pinch, I could use my wedding band as a self-defense projectile. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:37:08 AM UTC-5, franklyn wrote: > > When I was getting married, I considered a Tungsten ring, then the ring > designer told us that the only draw back of Tungsten is that it's very hard > to cut, so if you break your finger somehow, it would be extremely > difficult to get the ring off. I went with recycled gold instead. > > How about using tungsten as the U-lock material? > > > > Franklyn > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:07:04 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro > wrote: >> >> Granted, an angle grinder is going to win. But. I don't park on NY, >> Chicago, or LA city streets. I do park at a public rack on the New Haven >> campus where I teach a course. I have an Abus mini-U lock that I use >> frame-to-rack, backed with a heavy cable laced through both wheels and >> secured with the same lock. Can I reasonably do more than that? >> >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew >>> Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the things? Simple answer: No. >>> >>> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >>> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >>> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >>> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >>> completely. >>> >>> >>> jim m >>> wc ca >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
You might want to add a cable lock. That's two locks instead of one without adding much weight or nuisance to lock up. (The cable laced through the wheels and locked with the U still means only one lock.) I've left heavier-duty U locks at the train station so that I'd have two U locks. One that I carry; one that's at the train station. Another thing to consider is parking/locking at different places. If a nice bike regularly appears at a certain space, it could become an easy target. (Thieves would bring the proper lock cutting equipment at the scheduled time.) shoji On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:07:04 PM UTC-4, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: > > Granted, an angle grinder is going to win. But. I don't park on NY, > Chicago, or LA city streets. I do park at a public rack on the New Haven > campus where I teach a course. I have an Abus mini-U lock that I use > frame-to-rack, backed with a heavy cable laced through both wheels and > secured with the same lock. Can I reasonably do more than that? > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: >> >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro >> wrote: >>> >>> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use >>> U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock >>> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the >>> things? >>> >>> Simple answer: No. >> >> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >> completely. >> >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:07:04 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: > > Granted, an angle grinder is going to win. But. I don't park on NY, > Chicago, or LA city streets. I do park at a public rack on the New Haven > campus where I teach a course. I have an Abus mini-U lock that I use > frame-to-rack, backed with a heavy cable laced through both wheels and > secured with the same lock. Can I reasonably do more than that? > > My first good bike (Schwinn Superior) was stolen from a crowded public rack in New Haven. But that was 35 years ago and NH is a lot nicer now. No, you can't do reasonably better than your set-up. You could double the set-up, but then it starts getting unwieldy to carry. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
When I was getting married, I considered a Tungsten ring, then the ring designer told us that the only draw back of Tungsten is that it's very hard to cut, so if you break your finger somehow, it would be extremely difficult to get the ring off. I went with recycled gold instead. How about using tungsten as the U-lock material? Franklyn On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:07:04 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: > > Granted, an angle grinder is going to win. But. I don't park on NY, > Chicago, or LA city streets. I do park at a public rack on the New Haven > campus where I teach a course. I have an Abus mini-U lock that I use > frame-to-rack, backed with a heavy cable laced through both wheels and > secured with the same lock. Can I reasonably do more than that? > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: >> >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro >> wrote: >>> >>> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use >>> U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock >>> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the >>> things? >>> >>> Simple answer: No. >> >> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see >> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC >> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It >> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched >> completely. >> >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Granted, an angle grinder is going to win. But. I don't park on NY, Chicago, or LA city streets. I do park at a public rack on the New Haven campus where I teach a course. I have an Abus mini-U lock that I use frame-to-rack, backed with a heavy cable laced through both wheels and secured with the same lock. Can I reasonably do more than that? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro > wrote: >> >> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use >> U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock >> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the >> things? >> >> Simple answer: No. > > An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see > videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC > -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It > sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched > completely. > > > jim m > wc ca > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: > > Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use > U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock > (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the > things? > > Simple answer: No. An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched completely. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
It's unfortunate to have a nice bike like a Rivendell that you can't take places and lock up. I would never entrust mine to a U-lock. I ride my junky old Nishiki if want to ride somewhere but have a need to lock up. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Rusty Click wrote: > Early on, cutting the tube was assumed on the BikePGH.org thread. After > he recovered his Sam, with no damage to the tube, the owner now thinks the > thief defeated the U-lock somehow. > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:21:32 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote: >> >> wow! Happy ending, and thanks to a great LBS. >> >> Did the thief cut the under-tube? >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: >>> >>> My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *. This is not the first >>> time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while >>> it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp! I go >>> out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention. >>> >>> *Way to Go, Thick Bikes!* >>> >>> Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it. >>> >>> stolen bike report: >>> http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/ >>> page/5/#post-301324 >>> >>> arrest photo: >>> http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/ >>> >>> reunited: >>> http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/ >>> >>> >>> Rusty Click >>> Pittsburgh, PA >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the things? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:27:54 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: > > Early on, cutting the tube was assumed on the BikePGH.org thread. After > he recovered his Sam, with no damage to the tube, the owner now thinks the > thief defeated the U-lock somehow. > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:21:32 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote: >> >> wow! Happy ending, and thanks to a great LBS. >> >> Did the thief cut the under-tube? >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: >>> >>> My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *. This is not the first >>> time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while >>> it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp! I go >>> out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention. >>> >>> *Way to Go, Thick Bikes!* >>> >>> Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it. >>> >>> stolen bike report: >>> >>> http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/page/5/#post-301324 >>> >>> arrest photo: >>> http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/ >>> >>> reunited: >>> http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/ >>> >>> >>> Rusty Click >>> Pittsburgh, PA >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
Early on, cutting the tube was assumed on the BikePGH.org thread. After he recovered his Sam, with no damage to the tube, the owner now thinks the thief defeated the U-lock somehow. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:21:32 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote: > > wow! Happy ending, and thanks to a great LBS. > > Did the thief cut the under-tube? > > > > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: >> >> My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *. This is not the first >> time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while >> it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp! I go >> out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention. >> >> *Way to Go, Thick Bikes!* >> >> Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it. >> >> stolen bike report: >> http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/page/5/#post-301324 >> >> arrest photo: >> http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/ >> >> reunited: >> http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/ >> >> >> Rusty Click >> Pittsburgh, PA >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
wow! Happy ending, and thanks to a great LBS. Did the thief cut the under-tube? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: > > My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *. This is not the first > time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while > it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp! I go > out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention. > > *Way to Go, Thick Bikes!* > > Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it. > > stolen bike report: > http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/page/5/#post-301324 > > arrest photo: > http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/ > > reunited: > http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/ > > > Rusty Click > Pittsburgh, PA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
