[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Yes, the Hebie 605 is very heavy (about 2 lbs). I had my dad bring one from Germany for me, and I was a bit dismayed at the weight when it arrived. But it handled a tandem with touring load on our recent 2 week Japan tour without any issues whatsoever. It just worked, and I never even worried about it not working. So I stopped worrying about its weight very quickly. :) A nice side benefit of the Hebie 605 is that with the wheels removed and the kickstand folded up, the frame rests securely on the now horizontal arms of the stand (and the fork tips). So even when your bike is partly disassembled and bagged for train travel (required in Japan for any train), the whole package still stands upright on its own. Highly recommended for heavy loads, but overkill for singles with light touring loads, imho. Btw, I have a rear triangle stand on a single that can be height- adjusted on the fly to the current conditions simply by twisting a plastic sleeve around the leg. Very handy and stable, much lighter, but not terribly elegant, and probably not strong enough for a loaded tandem. Can't remember the name, but if there is interest, I can look it up. Cheers, Earl Grey On Aug 23, 11:02 am, Dave Craig wrote: > Thanks, Pete. > > Yes, it certainly seems that theHebie605 center stand is a boat > anchor.Hebiemakes the lighter, model 690 center stands and I've got > emails out to a couple of places regarding those. > > Even though I tour with a partner, we still find stands to be > extremely useful. I can't foresee ever touring without one now that > I've experienced the convenience of being able to park without having > to find a place to lean the bike. Although I haven't tried the > clikstand, I can guess that it wouldn't be as simple or quite to use. > I will give it a go at some point so I can have an informed opinion. > > Maybe I was unsuccessful with the Pletscher center stand because my > bike is a large, 60cm frame size? Perhaps it is the geometry of the > bike (Riv Bombadil)? Really, though, the Pletscher stand simply was > not stable. I tried to like it because there had been so many good > reviews, but it just didn't work on my bike. The Greenfield rear mount > stand on my wife's bike was so superior and I will use this model of > stand in the future if I cannot find a center stand that works better > than the Pletscher. > > Dave > > On Aug 23, 5:29 am, Pete wrote: > > > > > Dave, The Herbie is probably a bit heavy for touring and one reason I > > didn't order it unseen from the interweb. My reason for waning a stand > > in the first place is that I do allot of solo touring. It is therefor > > hard to keep an eye on the bike if I park it against a wall and such. > > For city cycling and c. 20kg load I think the Pletscher center and > > rear fork mounted stands work great. > > > Dough, The Click Stand seem like a nice kit. I often use a stick and a > > clips strap in the same way but like you I found it a bit fiddly. > > > On 22 Aug, 19:55, doug peterson wrote: > > > > Been using the Clickstand for a while now and it is a clever > > > solution. However, after just finishing a loaded tour, I'm going to > > > try a conventional BB mounted stand for my next trip. The Clickstand > > > absolutely needs the brake on for stability (they tell you this on > > > their website), and I found with the bike loaded setting the brake and > > > stand was a bit of a chore. Especially when I wanted to grab a quick > > > pic or other casual off bike activity. > > > > dougP > > > > On Aug 18, 8:27 am, "Frederick, Steve" > > > wrote: > > > > > I used a Clickstand on my last (supported) multiday tour--worked great. > > > > For loaded touring, might want to step up to the heavy duty version... > > > > >http://www.click-stand.com/ > > > > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Dave Craig > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:05 AM > > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat > > > > tube? > > > > > Pete > > > > > Thank you for the link toHebie- wow! > > > > > I have a kickstand mounting plate on my Bombadil, but I also had > > > > little success with the Pletscher stand, even before starting my tour. > > > > I know others have had spoken highly of the two-legged Pletscher, but > > > > the bike s
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
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[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
I have followed this thread with interest. I have two click-stands; they are light, but time consuming enought to use that I only end up using them when setting up the bike for an extended period (like overnight). They work well with a loaded touring bike. I have thought about the twin leg kick-stand, and was a bit disapointed to get an Atlantis frame without the kick-stand plate. It sounds like a rear mounted stand may the way to go. It would be nice to have something that's quick to deploy... Angus On Aug 15, 9:12 am, eflayer wrote: > Will a Pletscher or Greenfield kickstand clamp on the chainstays right > behind the seat tube? I know you can get those clunky ones that mount > at the rear of the bike, but was wondering if the space behind the > seat tube is condusive? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Thanks, Pete. Yes, it certainly seems that the Hebie 605 center stand is a boat anchor. Hebie makes the lighter, model 690 center stands and I've got emails out to a couple of places regarding those. Even though I tour with a partner, we still find stands to be extremely useful. I can't foresee ever touring without one now that I've experienced the convenience of being able to park without having to find a place to lean the bike. Although I haven't tried the clikstand, I can guess that it wouldn't be as simple or quite to use. I will give it a go at some point so I can have an informed opinion. Maybe I was unsuccessful with the Pletscher center stand because my bike is a large, 60cm frame size? Perhaps it is the geometry of the bike (Riv Bombadil)? Really, though, the Pletscher stand simply was not stable. I tried to like it because there had been so many good reviews, but it just didn't work on my bike. The Greenfield rear mount stand on my wife's bike was so superior and I will use this model of stand in the future if I cannot find a center stand that works better than the Pletscher. Dave On Aug 23, 5:29 am, Pete wrote: > Dave, The Herbie is probably a bit heavy for touring and one reason I > didn't order it unseen from the interweb. My reason for waning a stand > in the first place is that I do allot of solo touring. It is therefor > hard to keep an eye on the bike if I park it against a wall and such. > For city cycling and c. 20kg load I think the Pletscher center and > rear fork mounted stands work great. > > Dough, The Click Stand seem like a nice kit. I often use a stick and a > clips strap in the same way but like you I found it a bit fiddly. > > On 22 Aug, 19:55, doug peterson wrote: > > > > > Been using the Clickstand for a while now and it is a clever > > solution. However, after just finishing a loaded tour, I'm going to > > try a conventional BB mounted stand for my next trip. The Clickstand > > absolutely needs the brake on for stability (they tell you this on > > their website), and I found with the bike loaded setting the brake and > > stand was a bit of a chore. Especially when I wanted to grab a quick > > pic or other casual off bike activity. > > > dougP > > > On Aug 18, 8:27 am, "Frederick, Steve" > > wrote: > > > > I used a Clickstand on my last (supported) multiday tour--worked great. > > > For loaded touring, might want to step up to the heavy duty version... > > > >http://www.click-stand.com/ > > > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Dave Craig > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:05 AM > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat > > > tube? > > > > Pete > > > > Thank you for the link to Hebie - wow! > > > > I have a kickstand mounting plate on my Bombadil, but I also had > > > little success with the Pletscher stand, even before starting my tour. > > > I know others have had spoken highly of the two-legged Pletscher, but > > > the bike simply wasn't stable in wind or on uneven ground and I > > > abandoned it for a single leg stand mounted on the plate. This was > > > better. However, I was never very confident in the stand, although my > > > bike never fell over even with a full touring load. Around town, the > > > single leg stand works great and I plan on putting one on my new > > > Quickbeam. > > > > As I said in my earlier post, the rear triangle stand I mounted on my > > > wife's bike was superior in every way. She could park on almost any > > > surface, angle, etc. and her bike was rock solid. The addition of a > > > parking brake made it even more stable. I was so jealous. If I can't > > > lay my hands on a Hebie center stand to try out, my next tour will be > > > with a rear triangle stand. > > > > Dave > > > > On Aug 17, 3:34 am, Pete wrote: > > > > That is probably the sensible thing to do. Riv and other US > > > > manufacturers have have learned from the Europeans and started to fit > > > > such plate on some models so there seem to be a need for it. > > > > Besides, you get to pick your favorite colour! :P > > > > > After my experience with the ESGE-Pletscher I tried to get hold of the > > > > Hebie 605 bi-pod stand. It's supposed to be more durable. But the > > > > importer in my part of th
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Dave, The Herbie is probably a bit heavy for touring and one reason I didn't order it unseen from the interweb. My reason for waning a stand in the first place is that I do allot of solo touring. It is therefor hard to keep an eye on the bike if I park it against a wall and such. For city cycling and c. 20kg load I think the Pletscher center and rear fork mounted stands work great. Dough, The Click Stand seem like a nice kit. I often use a stick and a clips strap in the same way but like you I found it a bit fiddly. On 22 Aug, 19:55, doug peterson wrote: > Been using the Clickstand for a while now and it is a clever > solution. However, after just finishing a loaded tour, I'm going to > try a conventional BB mounted stand for my next trip. The Clickstand > absolutely needs the brake on for stability (they tell you this on > their website), and I found with the bike loaded setting the brake and > stand was a bit of a chore. Especially when I wanted to grab a quick > pic or other casual off bike activity. > > dougP > > On Aug 18, 8:27 am, "Frederick, Steve" > wrote: > > > > > I used a Clickstand on my last (supported) multiday tour--worked great. > > For loaded touring, might want to step up to the heavy duty version... > > >http://www.click-stand.com/ > > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > > > -Original Message- > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Dave Craig > > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:05 AM > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > Subject: [RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat > > tube? > > > Pete > > > Thank you for the link to Hebie - wow! > > > I have a kickstand mounting plate on my Bombadil, but I also had > > little success with the Pletscher stand, even before starting my tour. > > I know others have had spoken highly of the two-legged Pletscher, but > > the bike simply wasn't stable in wind or on uneven ground and I > > abandoned it for a single leg stand mounted on the plate. This was > > better. However, I was never very confident in the stand, although my > > bike never fell over even with a full touring load. Around town, the > > single leg stand works great and I plan on putting one on my new > > Quickbeam. > > > As I said in my earlier post, the rear triangle stand I mounted on my > > wife's bike was superior in every way. She could park on almost any > > surface, angle, etc. and her bike was rock solid. The addition of a > > parking brake made it even more stable. I was so jealous. If I can't > > lay my hands on a Hebie center stand to try out, my next tour will be > > with a rear triangle stand. > > > Dave > > > On Aug 17, 3:34 am, Pete wrote: > > > That is probably the sensible thing to do. Riv and other US > > > manufacturers have have learned from the Europeans and started to fit > > > such plate on some models so there seem to be a need for it. > > > Besides, you get to pick your favorite colour! :P > > > > After my experience with the ESGE-Pletscher I tried to get hold of the > > > Hebie 605 bi-pod stand. It's supposed to be more durable. But the > > > importer in my part of the woods wasn't up for it. But I think they > > > are worth a look:http://www.hebie.de/Home.1.0.html?&L=1 > > > > Clever Cycles spec them so they seem to be available in the > > > US:http://clevercycles.com/store/?c=web2.173 > > > > They also make a durable one leg stand that mount to the rear stays > > > but it's perhaps not as nice on the eye. > > > ;) > > > > On 17 Aug, 07:46, David Estes wrote: > > > > > Yikes! > > > > > In the near future I want to send my All Rounder to Mark N. and have a > > > > plate > > > > put on. Pretty easy to get that done, it's then having it re-painted > > > > that > > > > kills ya'! > > > > > DE > > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Pete wrote: > > > > > > The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. > > > > > But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- > > > > > Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer > > > > > made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month > > > > > tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a > > > > > nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came >
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Been using the Clickstand for a while now and it is a clever solution. However, after just finishing a loaded tour, I'm going to try a conventional BB mounted stand for my next trip. The Clickstand absolutely needs the brake on for stability (they tell you this on their website), and I found with the bike loaded setting the brake and stand was a bit of a chore. Especially when I wanted to grab a quick pic or other casual off bike activity. dougP On Aug 18, 8:27 am, "Frederick, Steve" wrote: > I used a Clickstand on my last (supported) multiday tour--worked great. For > loaded touring, might want to step up to the heavy duty version... > > http://www.click-stand.com/ > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > > > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Dave Craig > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:05 AM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat > tube? > > Pete > > Thank you for the link to Hebie - wow! > > I have a kickstand mounting plate on my Bombadil, but I also had > little success with the Pletscher stand, even before starting my tour. > I know others have had spoken highly of the two-legged Pletscher, but > the bike simply wasn't stable in wind or on uneven ground and I > abandoned it for a single leg stand mounted on the plate. This was > better. However, I was never very confident in the stand, although my > bike never fell over even with a full touring load. Around town, the > single leg stand works great and I plan on putting one on my new > Quickbeam. > > As I said in my earlier post, the rear triangle stand I mounted on my > wife's bike was superior in every way. She could park on almost any > surface, angle, etc. and her bike was rock solid. The addition of a > parking brake made it even more stable. I was so jealous. If I can't > lay my hands on a Hebie center stand to try out, my next tour will be > with a rear triangle stand. > > Dave > > On Aug 17, 3:34 am, Pete wrote: > > That is probably the sensible thing to do. Riv and other US > > manufacturers have have learned from the Europeans and started to fit > > such plate on some models so there seem to be a need for it. > > Besides, you get to pick your favorite colour! :P > > > After my experience with the ESGE-Pletscher I tried to get hold of the > > Hebie 605 bi-pod stand. It's supposed to be more durable. But the > > importer in my part of the woods wasn't up for it. But I think they > > are worth a look:http://www.hebie.de/Home.1.0.html?&L=1 > > > Clever Cycles spec them so they seem to be available in the > > US:http://clevercycles.com/store/?c=web2.173 > > > They also make a durable one leg stand that mount to the rear stays > > but it's perhaps not as nice on the eye. > > ;) > > > On 17 Aug, 07:46, David Estes wrote: > > > > Yikes! > > > > In the near future I want to send my All Rounder to Mark N. and have a > > > plate > > > put on. Pretty easy to get that done, it's then having it re-painted that > > > kills ya'! > > > > DE > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Pete wrote: > > > > > The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. > > > > But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- > > > > Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer > > > > made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month > > > > tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a > > > > nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came > > > > loose. I mistook this as the nut loosening and started to tight it > > > > down. I still kept coming loose but before I realised what had really > > > > happened one leg snapped straight off! I had the bike fully loaded and > > > > pulled it up on the stand while on a gravel road. One leg ended up on > > > > a stone buried in the sand and shattered right of like glass. A month > > > > or so later in Chiang Mai I had the bike serviced and found out that > > > > in fact the weight of the luggage had pressed the stays down and > > > > deformed them witch was the cause for the stand to come loose. There > > > > were even some holes so I swapped the frame for a new as I was unsure > > > > of the availability of good steel frames in Laos and China. Now, I'm > > > > sure this doesnt happe
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Pete Thank you for the link to Hebie - wow! I have a kickstand mounting plate on my Bombadil, but I also had little success with the Pletscher stand, even before starting my tour. I know others have had spoken highly of the two-legged Pletscher, but the bike simply wasn't stable in wind or on uneven ground and I abandoned it for a single leg stand mounted on the plate. This was better. However, I was never very confident in the stand, although my bike never fell over even with a full touring load. Around town, the single leg stand works great and I plan on putting one on my new Quickbeam. As I said in my earlier post, the rear triangle stand I mounted on my wife's bike was superior in every way. She could park on almost any surface, angle, etc. and her bike was rock solid. The addition of a parking brake made it even more stable. I was so jealous. If I can't lay my hands on a Hebie center stand to try out, my next tour will be with a rear triangle stand. Dave On Aug 17, 3:34 am, Pete wrote: > That is probably the sensible thing to do. Riv and other US > manufacturers have have learned from the Europeans and started to fit > such plate on some models so there seem to be a need for it. > Besides, you get to pick your favorite colour! :P > > After my experience with the ESGE-Pletscher I tried to get hold of the > Hebie 605 bi-pod stand. It's supposed to be more durable. But the > importer in my part of the woods wasn't up for it. But I think they > are worth a look:http://www.hebie.de/Home.1.0.html?&L=1 > > Clever Cycles spec them so they seem to be available in the > US:http://clevercycles.com/store/?c=web2.173 > > They also make a durable one leg stand that mount to the rear stays > but it's perhaps not as nice on the eye. > ;) > > On 17 Aug, 07:46, David Estes wrote: > > > > > Yikes! > > > In the near future I want to send my All Rounder to Mark N. and have a plate > > put on. Pretty easy to get that done, it's then having it re-painted that > > kills ya'! > > > DE > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Pete wrote: > > > > The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. > > > But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- > > > Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer > > > made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month > > > tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a > > > nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came > > > loose. I mistook this as the nut loosening and started to tight it > > > down. I still kept coming loose but before I realised what had really > > > happened one leg snapped straight off! I had the bike fully loaded and > > > pulled it up on the stand while on a gravel road. One leg ended up on > > > a stone buried in the sand and shattered right of like glass. A month > > > or so later in Chiang Mai I had the bike serviced and found out that > > > in fact the weight of the luggage had pressed the stays down and > > > deformed them witch was the cause for the stand to come loose. There > > > were even some holes so I swapped the frame for a new as I was unsure > > > of the availability of good steel frames in Laos and China. Now, I'm > > > sure this doesnt happen in most cases where the bike is only used for > > > light touring, centuries and so on. But it is worth to remember and > > > maybe considering adding a larger diy support plate between the clamp > > > and frame. > > > > On 16 Aug, 00:44, eflayer wrote: > > > > wow, everything you ever wanted to know. thanks. had a double one on > > > > my easy racer tour easy. have a rear triangle one on my kogswell. > > > > that stand is ugly, but works like a charm. think the bleriot deseves > > > > to join the kickstand club. think i'll try the make a gasket trick to > > > > protect that fine bluish paint job. > > > > > On Aug 15, 2:39 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > > > > > > I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking they > > > > > were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a > > > > > kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with > > > > > three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher > > > > > double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I had > > > > > to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed on > > > > > my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear > > > > > triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with heavy > > > > > touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand plate. > > > > > I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. > > > > > > Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your chainstay > > > > > mounted stand: > > > > > > 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the > > > > > kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting > > > > > plates
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Wow, 13 models of bike stands, I'm impressed!!! Cool to know! On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Pete wrote: > > That is probably the sensible thing to do. Riv and other US > manufacturers have have learned from the Europeans and started to fit > such plate on some models so there seem to be a need for it. > Besides, you get to pick your favorite colour! :P > > After my experience with the ESGE-Pletscher I tried to get hold of the > Hebie 605 bi-pod stand. It's supposed to be more durable. But the > importer in my part of the woods wasn't up for it. But I think they > are worth a look: > http://www.hebie.de/Home.1.0.html?&L=1 > > Clever Cycles spec them so they seem to be available in the US: > http://clevercycles.com/store/?c=web2.173 > > They also make a durable one leg stand that mount to the rear stays > but it's perhaps not as nice on the eye. > ;) > > > On 17 Aug, 07:46, David Estes wrote: > > Yikes! > > > > In the near future I want to send my All Rounder to Mark N. and have a > plate > > put on. Pretty easy to get that done, it's then having it re-painted > that > > kills ya'! > > > > DE > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Pete wrote: > > > > > The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. > > > But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- > > > Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer > > > made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month > > > tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a > > > nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came > > > loose. I mistook this as the nut loosening and started to tight it > > > down. I still kept coming loose but before I realised what had really > > > happened one leg snapped straight off! I had the bike fully loaded and > > > pulled it up on the stand while on a gravel road. One leg ended up on > > > a stone buried in the sand and shattered right of like glass. A month > > > or so later in Chiang Mai I had the bike serviced and found out that > > > in fact the weight of the luggage had pressed the stays down and > > > deformed them witch was the cause for the stand to come loose. There > > > were even some holes so I swapped the frame for a new as I was unsure > > > of the availability of good steel frames in Laos and China. Now, I'm > > > sure this doesnt happen in most cases where the bike is only used for > > > light touring, centuries and so on. But it is worth to remember and > > > maybe considering adding a larger diy support plate between the clamp > > > and frame. > > > > > On 16 Aug, 00:44, eflayer wrote: > > > > wow, everything you ever wanted to know. thanks. had a double one > on > > > > my easy racer tour easy. have a rear triangle one on my kogswell. > > > > that stand is ugly, but works like a charm. think the bleriot > deseves > > > > to join the kickstand club. think i'll try the make a gasket trick > to > > > > protect that fine bluish paint job. > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2:39 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > > > > > > > I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking > they > > > > > were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a > > > > > kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with > > > > > three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher > > > > > double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I > had > > > > > to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed > on > > > > > my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear > > > > > triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with > heavy > > > > > touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand > plate. > > > > > I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. > > > > > > > Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your > chainstay > > > > > mounted stand: > > > > > > > 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the > > > > > kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting > > > > > plates contact the frame need to be protected. I do this by cutting > > > > > some "make a gasket" to fit the mounting plates - you'll need to > punch > > > > > a hole for the bolt (gasket material is sold in the plumbing > section > > > > > at True Value - it is more durable than other materials). > > > > > > > 2) Kickstands often come loose over time. To prevent this, buy a > > > > > stainless steel bolt that is long enough to go through both plates > > > > > with room to attach a nylock nut. Or, with the supplied bolt, use > > > > > Locktite Blue and a lock washer. > > > > > > > 3) Install the stand. Before you tighten it down fully with nylocks > or > > > > > otherwise, check to see if your bike leans securely onto the stand. > If > > > > > it's too upright, you'll need to trim the kickstand. It is tempting > to > > > > > do this while
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
That is probably the sensible thing to do. Riv and other US manufacturers have have learned from the Europeans and started to fit such plate on some models so there seem to be a need for it. Besides, you get to pick your favorite colour! :P After my experience with the ESGE-Pletscher I tried to get hold of the Hebie 605 bi-pod stand. It's supposed to be more durable. But the importer in my part of the woods wasn't up for it. But I think they are worth a look: http://www.hebie.de/Home.1.0.html?&L=1 Clever Cycles spec them so they seem to be available in the US: http://clevercycles.com/store/?c=web2.173 They also make a durable one leg stand that mount to the rear stays but it's perhaps not as nice on the eye. ;) On 17 Aug, 07:46, David Estes wrote: > Yikes! > > In the near future I want to send my All Rounder to Mark N. and have a plate > put on. Pretty easy to get that done, it's then having it re-painted that > kills ya'! > > DE > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Pete wrote: > > > The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. > > But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- > > Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer > > made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month > > tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a > > nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came > > loose. I mistook this as the nut loosening and started to tight it > > down. I still kept coming loose but before I realised what had really > > happened one leg snapped straight off! I had the bike fully loaded and > > pulled it up on the stand while on a gravel road. One leg ended up on > > a stone buried in the sand and shattered right of like glass. A month > > or so later in Chiang Mai I had the bike serviced and found out that > > in fact the weight of the luggage had pressed the stays down and > > deformed them witch was the cause for the stand to come loose. There > > were even some holes so I swapped the frame for a new as I was unsure > > of the availability of good steel frames in Laos and China. Now, I'm > > sure this doesnt happen in most cases where the bike is only used for > > light touring, centuries and so on. But it is worth to remember and > > maybe considering adding a larger diy support plate between the clamp > > and frame. > > > On 16 Aug, 00:44, eflayer wrote: > > > wow, everything you ever wanted to know. thanks. had a double one on > > > my easy racer tour easy. have a rear triangle one on my kogswell. > > > that stand is ugly, but works like a charm. think the bleriot deseves > > > to join the kickstand club. think i'll try the make a gasket trick to > > > protect that fine bluish paint job. > > > > On Aug 15, 2:39 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > > > > > I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking they > > > > were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a > > > > kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with > > > > three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher > > > > double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I had > > > > to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed on > > > > my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear > > > > triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with heavy > > > > touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand plate. > > > > I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. > > > > > Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your chainstay > > > > mounted stand: > > > > > 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the > > > > kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting > > > > plates contact the frame need to be protected. I do this by cutting > > > > some "make a gasket" to fit the mounting plates - you'll need to punch > > > > a hole for the bolt (gasket material is sold in the plumbing section > > > > at True Value - it is more durable than other materials). > > > > > 2) Kickstands often come loose over time. To prevent this, buy a > > > > stainless steel bolt that is long enough to go through both plates > > > > with room to attach a nylock nut. Or, with the supplied bolt, use > > > > Locktite Blue and a lock washer. > > > > > 3) Install the stand. Before you tighten it down fully with nylocks or > > > > otherwise, check to see if your bike leans securely onto the stand. If > > > > it's too upright, you'll need to trim the kickstand. It is tempting to > > > > do this while the stand is on the bike and with an electric cutting > > > > tool, it works. If you are using a hacksaw, take the stand off to cut > > > > it. You'll do better work and you won't risk damaging your paint. Take > > > > the time to file down the rough cut edges on the stand. This will make > > > > the rubber foot last much lon
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Yikes! In the near future I want to send my All Rounder to Mark N. and have a plate put on. Pretty easy to get that done, it's then having it re-painted that kills ya'! DE On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Pete wrote: > > The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. > But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- > Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer > made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month > tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a > nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came > loose. I mistook this as the nut loosening and started to tight it > down. I still kept coming loose but before I realised what had really > happened one leg snapped straight off! I had the bike fully loaded and > pulled it up on the stand while on a gravel road. One leg ended up on > a stone buried in the sand and shattered right of like glass. A month > or so later in Chiang Mai I had the bike serviced and found out that > in fact the weight of the luggage had pressed the stays down and > deformed them witch was the cause for the stand to come loose. There > were even some holes so I swapped the frame for a new as I was unsure > of the availability of good steel frames in Laos and China. Now, I'm > sure this doesnt happen in most cases where the bike is only used for > light touring, centuries and so on. But it is worth to remember and > maybe considering adding a larger diy support plate between the clamp > and frame. > > On 16 Aug, 00:44, eflayer wrote: > > wow, everything you ever wanted to know. thanks. had a double one on > > my easy racer tour easy. have a rear triangle one on my kogswell. > > that stand is ugly, but works like a charm. think the bleriot deseves > > to join the kickstand club. think i'll try the make a gasket trick to > > protect that fine bluish paint job. > > > > On Aug 15, 2:39 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking they > > > were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a > > > kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with > > > three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher > > > double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I had > > > to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed on > > > my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear > > > triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with heavy > > > touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand plate. > > > I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. > > > > > Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your chainstay > > > mounted stand: > > > > > 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the > > > kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting > > > plates contact the frame need to be protected. I do this by cutting > > > some "make a gasket" to fit the mounting plates - you'll need to punch > > > a hole for the bolt (gasket material is sold in the plumbing section > > > at True Value - it is more durable than other materials). > > > > > 2) Kickstands often come loose over time. To prevent this, buy a > > > stainless steel bolt that is long enough to go through both plates > > > with room to attach a nylock nut. Or, with the supplied bolt, use > > > Locktite Blue and a lock washer. > > > > > 3) Install the stand. Before you tighten it down fully with nylocks or > > > otherwise, check to see if your bike leans securely onto the stand. If > > > it's too upright, you'll need to trim the kickstand. It is tempting to > > > do this while the stand is on the bike and with an electric cutting > > > tool, it works. If you are using a hacksaw, take the stand off to cut > > > it. You'll do better work and you won't risk damaging your paint. Take > > > the time to file down the rough cut edges on the stand. This will make > > > the rubber foot last much longer. Use the rubber foot as it makes the > > > stand friendlier to floors and it helps keep the stand from sinking > > > into soft ground. > > > > > 4) Tighten the stand onto the stays. You want to do this carefully and > > > incrementally. Tighten and check for play in the plate. If it wiggles > > > when you check by hand, tighten it a little more, test, and repeat. Be > > > sure you are checking the plate and not the kickstand itself. The > > > kickstand has play in it. Watch the mounting plate to see if it moves > > > on the chainstays. Recheck your kickstand from time to time. > > > > > 5) Kickstanded bikes often fall because the bike rolls forward or > > > backward. For really secure kickstand parking, install a simple > > > parking brake. I use a loop of narrow bungee cord around the bars tied > > > tight enough to keep the brakes applied. The loop stays on my ba
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
The Bleriot chainstays are probably a bit thicker than most tube sets. But I must tell you I had a very disappointing experience of the ESGE- Pletscher double stand. Mounted a new one to my converted MTB-tourer made from Tange Prestige, not the ul-light version, for a six month tour from Singapore to Hong Kong. To avoid problems I used both a nylock nut and soft Loctite but after only a few days the stand came loose. I mistook this as the nut loosening and started to tight it down. I still kept coming loose but before I realised what had really happened one leg snapped straight off! I had the bike fully loaded and pulled it up on the stand while on a gravel road. One leg ended up on a stone buried in the sand and shattered right of like glass. A month or so later in Chiang Mai I had the bike serviced and found out that in fact the weight of the luggage had pressed the stays down and deformed them witch was the cause for the stand to come loose. There were even some holes so I swapped the frame for a new as I was unsure of the availability of good steel frames in Laos and China. Now, I'm sure this doesnt happen in most cases where the bike is only used for light touring, centuries and so on. But it is worth to remember and maybe considering adding a larger diy support plate between the clamp and frame. On 16 Aug, 00:44, eflayer wrote: > wow, everything you ever wanted to know. thanks. had a double one on > my easy racer tour easy. have a rear triangle one on my kogswell. > that stand is ugly, but works like a charm. think the bleriot deseves > to join the kickstand club. think i'll try the make a gasket trick to > protect that fine bluish paint job. > > On Aug 15, 2:39 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > > > > > I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking they > > were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a > > kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with > > three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher > > double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I had > > to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed on > > my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear > > triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with heavy > > touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand plate. > > I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. > > > Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your chainstay > > mounted stand: > > > 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the > > kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting > > plates contact the frame need to be protected. I do this by cutting > > some "make a gasket" to fit the mounting plates - you'll need to punch > > a hole for the bolt (gasket material is sold in the plumbing section > > at True Value - it is more durable than other materials). > > > 2) Kickstands often come loose over time. To prevent this, buy a > > stainless steel bolt that is long enough to go through both plates > > with room to attach a nylock nut. Or, with the supplied bolt, use > > Locktite Blue and a lock washer. > > > 3) Install the stand. Before you tighten it down fully with nylocks or > > otherwise, check to see if your bike leans securely onto the stand. If > > it's too upright, you'll need to trim the kickstand. It is tempting to > > do this while the stand is on the bike and with an electric cutting > > tool, it works. If you are using a hacksaw, take the stand off to cut > > it. You'll do better work and you won't risk damaging your paint. Take > > the time to file down the rough cut edges on the stand. This will make > > the rubber foot last much longer. Use the rubber foot as it makes the > > stand friendlier to floors and it helps keep the stand from sinking > > into soft ground. > > > 4) Tighten the stand onto the stays. You want to do this carefully and > > incrementally. Tighten and check for play in the plate. If it wiggles > > when you check by hand, tighten it a little more, test, and repeat. Be > > sure you are checking the plate and not the kickstand itself. The > > kickstand has play in it. Watch the mounting plate to see if it moves > > on the chainstays. Recheck your kickstand from time to time. > > > 5) Kickstanded bikes often fall because the bike rolls forward or > > backward. For really secure kickstand parking, install a simple > > parking brake. I use a loop of narrow bungee cord around the bars tied > > tight enough to keep the brakes applied. The loop stays on my bars. > > When I park, I apply the brakes and I stretch the bungee onto the > > brake lever. The front wheel is usually the culprit, so I ordinarily > > use that brake as my parking brake. > > > That's it!! > > > On Aug 15, 7:12 am, eflayer wrote: > > > > Will a Pletscher or Greenfield kickstand clamp on the chainstays right > > > behind the seat tube? I know you can get those cl
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
wow, everything you ever wanted to know. thanks. had a double one on my easy racer tour easy. have a rear triangle one on my kogswell. that stand is ugly, but works like a charm. think the bleriot deseves to join the kickstand club. think i'll try the make a gasket trick to protect that fine bluish paint job. On Aug 15, 2:39 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking they > were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a > kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with > three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher > double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I had > to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed on > my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear > triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with heavy > touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand plate. > I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. > > Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your chainstay > mounted stand: > > 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the > kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting > plates contact the frame need to be protected. I do this by cutting > some "make a gasket" to fit the mounting plates - you'll need to punch > a hole for the bolt (gasket material is sold in the plumbing section > at True Value - it is more durable than other materials). > > 2) Kickstands often come loose over time. To prevent this, buy a > stainless steel bolt that is long enough to go through both plates > with room to attach a nylock nut. Or, with the supplied bolt, use > Locktite Blue and a lock washer. > > 3) Install the stand. Before you tighten it down fully with nylocks or > otherwise, check to see if your bike leans securely onto the stand. If > it's too upright, you'll need to trim the kickstand. It is tempting to > do this while the stand is on the bike and with an electric cutting > tool, it works. If you are using a hacksaw, take the stand off to cut > it. You'll do better work and you won't risk damaging your paint. Take > the time to file down the rough cut edges on the stand. This will make > the rubber foot last much longer. Use the rubber foot as it makes the > stand friendlier to floors and it helps keep the stand from sinking > into soft ground. > > 4) Tighten the stand onto the stays. You want to do this carefully and > incrementally. Tighten and check for play in the plate. If it wiggles > when you check by hand, tighten it a little more, test, and repeat. Be > sure you are checking the plate and not the kickstand itself. The > kickstand has play in it. Watch the mounting plate to see if it moves > on the chainstays. Recheck your kickstand from time to time. > > 5) Kickstanded bikes often fall because the bike rolls forward or > backward. For really secure kickstand parking, install a simple > parking brake. I use a loop of narrow bungee cord around the bars tied > tight enough to keep the brakes applied. The loop stays on my bars. > When I park, I apply the brakes and I stretch the bungee onto the > brake lever. The front wheel is usually the culprit, so I ordinarily > use that brake as my parking brake. > > That's it!! > > On Aug 15, 7:12 am, eflayer wrote: > > > > > Will a Pletscher or Greenfield kickstand clamp on the chainstays right > > behind the seat tube? I know you can get those clunky ones that mount > > at the rear of the bike, but was wondering if the space behind the > > seat tube is condusive?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
I've recently rediscovered kickstands after decades of thinking they were too geeky for my bikes. In fact, I've kind of become sort of a kickstand evangelist! I've got experience now on several bikes with three major types of stands, the two you describe and the pletscher double kickstand. They all work fine, although on a recent tour, I had to reluctantly admit that the rear triangle stand I had installed on my wife's bike worked way better than my Swiss stand. The rear triangle mount works great on uneven ground, on hills and with heavy touring loads. I used a single leg stand mounted on a kickstand plate. I had to be much more attentive to how I parked. Here's a couple of quick tips for doing a good job on your chainstay mounted stand: 1) Wrap your chainstays to prevent scratching before installing the kickstand. Actually, only the areas where the kickstand mounting plates contact the frame need to be protected. I do this by cutting some "make a gasket" to fit the mounting plates - you'll need to punch a hole for the bolt (gasket material is sold in the plumbing section at True Value - it is more durable than other materials). 2) Kickstands often come loose over time. To prevent this, buy a stainless steel bolt that is long enough to go through both plates with room to attach a nylock nut. Or, with the supplied bolt, use Locktite Blue and a lock washer. 3) Install the stand. Before you tighten it down fully with nylocks or otherwise, check to see if your bike leans securely onto the stand. If it's too upright, you'll need to trim the kickstand. It is tempting to do this while the stand is on the bike and with an electric cutting tool, it works. If you are using a hacksaw, take the stand off to cut it. You'll do better work and you won't risk damaging your paint. Take the time to file down the rough cut edges on the stand. This will make the rubber foot last much longer. Use the rubber foot as it makes the stand friendlier to floors and it helps keep the stand from sinking into soft ground. 4) Tighten the stand onto the stays. You want to do this carefully and incrementally. Tighten and check for play in the plate. If it wiggles when you check by hand, tighten it a little more, test, and repeat. Be sure you are checking the plate and not the kickstand itself. The kickstand has play in it. Watch the mounting plate to see if it moves on the chainstays. Recheck your kickstand from time to time. 5) Kickstanded bikes often fall because the bike rolls forward or backward. For really secure kickstand parking, install a simple parking brake. I use a loop of narrow bungee cord around the bars tied tight enough to keep the brakes applied. The loop stays on my bars. When I park, I apply the brakes and I stretch the bungee onto the brake lever. The front wheel is usually the culprit, so I ordinarily use that brake as my parking brake. That's it!! On Aug 15, 7:12 am, eflayer wrote: > Will a Pletscher or Greenfield kickstand clamp on the chainstays right > behind the seat tube? I know you can get those clunky ones that mount > at the rear of the bike, but was wondering if the space behind the > seat tube is condusive? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: kickstand on Bleriot in the spot behind teh seat tube?
Yes, clamp ons fit fine. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/336996048/ DE On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:12 AM, eflayer wrote: > > Will a Pletscher or Greenfield kickstand clamp on the chainstays right > behind the seat tube? I know you can get those clunky ones that mount > at the rear of the bike, but was wondering if the space behind the > seat tube is condusive? > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
