Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't have good results with plain paraffin after several years of using
it, though others have said they get very good results. But last year I
started to use "Molten Speed Wax" which seems to work much better despite
its stupid name.

"Better" means that the chain is quiet for at least 200 miles while riding
in deepish, silty, dusty sand, longer on pavement, of course; and I'm
hoping to get longer chain life than the ~2K miles I got with plain
paraffin. And while the chain stays quiet, the surface of the chain stays
clean, and there is no buildup of gunk on the cassette and derailleur
pulleys.

$20/lb from Amazon.

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> I did a search on this and was surprised not to find anything. (Except
> waxing cloth!)
>
> After 40+ years of cleaning and lubing chains I may be ready to try wax.
> I recently got a recipe & process on the tandem list but wondered about the
> experience of people on this list.  How much extra work is it?  How much
> longer does it last than "dry lubes?"  Does it make a difference what kind
> of environment you ride in, eg, Santa Fe vs Seattle?
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Jim Bronson]

  'I feel good about it and doing it raises me to a higher level of
eccentricity among my friends."

Ok, I literally laughed out loud.

I thought I was the only person who enjoyed such feelings ;)

Oh and I use wet lube if anyone cares.

Jim

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Deacon Patrick]

My riding has the best/worst of the wet/dry/dirty/muddy. I gave up with the dry 
(wax) flavor and just ad a drop per link of chainsaw oil when the chain tells 
me it needs it (as in I hear the chain. This is my take on Sheldon Brown’s idea 
that most people over lube and in so doing adhere micro dirt to the oil and get 
in into the links where it causes wear. I only lube each link from the top, 
starting at the quicklink. Externally, things get a bit goopy, but not that 
bad. And now I only have fixed drivetrain, there are fewer bits to goop. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Rod Holland]

By way of a minority report, I switched from Chain-L to TriFlow a few years 
ago, after a fervent recommendation from a bike mechanic. This struck me as 
eccentric at the time, too light, but I tried it and have been getting good 
results. Not as messy as Chain-L, does seem to keep the chain lubed. One 
drop per link, re-apply when that seems to be called for. I ride in Eastern 
Massachusetts, so rainy and sometimes snowy. About 30% of my riding is on 
dirt.

rod

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 2:00:49 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My riding has the best/worst of the wet/dry/dirty/muddy. I gave up with 
> the dry (wax) flavor and just ad a drop per link of chainsaw oil when the 
> chain tells me it needs it (as in I hear the chain. This is my take on 
> Sheldon Brown’s idea that most people over lube and in so doing adhere 
> micro dirt to the oil and get in into the links where it causes wear. I 
> only lube each link from the top, starting at the quicklink. Externally, 
> things get a bit goopy, but not that bad. And now I only have fixed 
> drivetrain, there are fewer bits to goop. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Michael Hechmer]

I have used the one drop per link method for years with a great variety of 
lubes, some a little worse some a little better, but none great.  When I 
was commuting 30 miles every day I took it for granted that I needed to 
clean the chain, rings & cogs every two weeks.  Now that I'm retired and 
actually ride lessI find the task annoying.  Perhaps because we mostly ride 
the tandem which has a total of 3 1/2 lengths of chain to clean.

I am now trying the spray version of Boshields T9 and doubling my effort to 
remove all the excess.  I'll let you know if this stays cleaner, longer.

Michael

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 2:00:49 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My riding has the best/worst of the wet/dry/dirty/muddy. I gave up with 
> the dry (wax) flavor and just ad a drop per link of chainsaw oil when the 
> chain tells me it needs it (as in I hear the chain. This is my take on 
> Sheldon Brown’s idea that most people over lube and in so doing adhere 
> micro dirt to the oil and get in into the links where it causes wear. I 
> only lube each link from the top, starting at the quicklink. Externally, 
> things get a bit goopy, but not that bad. And now I only have fixed 
> drivetrain, there are fewer bits to goop. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Pro tip: Never mistake your hot wax for your chamois cream...

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Ana Candela]

Three and a half lengths of chain definitely calls for Sheldon Brown’s “The 
ShelBroCo Bicycle Chain Cleaning System“ — 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

For waxing, substitute the Phil Wood green grease with paraffin wax and the 
Deakins White RollerGrease with paraffin oil.


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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Deacon Patrick]

Michael, what if you took the radical step of not cleaning your chain(s)? Just 
lube as needed and go. You may have to change your chains a week or two earlier.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Michael Hechmer]

Deacon, now you've gone from preaching to meddling!  There's no way I am 
going to ride around with a dirty chain.  Even if I were constitutionally 
capable of such an abomination, there is still the issue of removing the 
timing chain from the tandem when we break it in half and put it in the 
back of our golf wagon or prius, yuck.

You and I are also both woodworkers.  My shop includes two 2 micron dust 
collectors and a one micron air filtration system.  Every day I sweep up 
plane shavings, etc (they re great btw for lighting the grill) before 
leaving the shop.  I begin and end each day standing at a clean workbench 
and thanking God for the opportunity to do my best.  I'm cool with a dirty 
mind, but not a dirty body, shop, or bike.
Michael

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>
> Michael, what if you took the radical step of not cleaning your chain(s)? 
> Just lube as needed and go. You may have to change your chains a week or 
> two earlier.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Deacon Patrick]

WHAT was I thinking, Michael? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick, whose “woodworking” experiments are limited to 2x4 type construction 
sawn by handtools outdoors where no cleanup is required! Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Garth]

  Yeah !  Lube and GO !  

All I can say about "dirt" and "cleanliness" is well ... just because 
someone sez something is true, never makes it so. Truth Itself is True and 
not anything else could ever be so Trut.  

I realized the whole concept given by man of  "clean" is based on the 
assumption that everything is filthy inherently, including everything about 
their assumed identity.  So any attempt to "clean up" would be but an 
exercise in futility, it would never ever be so.  Any premise of 
dirtiness/cleanliness would be vanity, all "for show"  like watching 
moving picture show on a blank white movie screen.   Hence, how many 
"cleaning products" are there ?  "Hey buddy .. you better *clean up *your 
act  or else blah blah blah !"  "If you don't *clean up *your chain, 
bike, body, house, mind, soul  you name it  you're doomed ! "  

Well  that's "the story" anyways !



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>
> Michael, what if you took the radical step of not cleaning your chain(s)? 
> Just lube as needed and go. You may have to change your chains a week or 
> two earlier.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[RichS]

Michael, 

My experience with Boshield T9 has been positive. I use both the spray and 
the dropper bottle. I clean/lube my chains every 200-300 miles.

Best,
Richard 

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 6:29:15 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have used the one drop per link method for years with a great variety of 
> lubes, some a little worse some a little better, but none great.  When I 
> was commuting 30 miles every day I took it for granted that I needed to 
> clean the chain, rings & cogs every two weeks.  Now that I'm retired and 
> actually ride lessI find the task annoying.  Perhaps because we mostly ride 
> the tandem which has a total of 3 1/2 lengths of chain to clean.
>
> I am now trying the spray version of Boshields T9 and doubling my effort 
> to remove all the excess.  I'll let you know if this stays cleaner, longer.
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 2:00:49 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My riding has the best/worst of the wet/dry/dirty/muddy. I gave up with 
>> the dry (wax) flavor and just ad a drop per link of chainsaw oil when the 
>> chain tells me it needs it (as in I hear the chain. This is my take on 
>> Sheldon Brown’s idea that most people over lube and in so doing adhere 
>> micro dirt to the oil and get in into the links where it causes wear. I 
>> only lube each link from the top, starting at the quicklink. Externally, 
>> things get a bit goopy, but not that bad. And now I only have fixed 
>> drivetrain, there are fewer bits to goop. Grin. 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Ron Mc]

I've covered this a few times and shared my results with Patrick before he 
picked up the habit.  
Ultrasonic cleaning of a chain lubed with liquid results in a teaspoon of 
Wear particles and Sand, because liquid lube wets and sticks sand.  
Here's the bottom of the beaker after a 700-mi run with molten speed wax, 
and this is the typical result from almost 3 years' use.  


I get 700+ mi from one molten speed wax.  A pound waxes 20+ (clean) 
chains.  So that's 15,000 clean miles.  
Sand does not stick to a waxed chain.  All that sticks to it is calcium 
chert, which will rinse away.  
I ride a lot in winter slop and post-monsoon slop here


It's a no-brainer.  

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Michael Hechmer]

Ultrasonic chain cleaning?  Do I need to take the chain to a dentist?
Michael

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I've covered this a few times and shared my results with Patrick before he 
> picked up the habit.  
> Ultrasonic cleaning of a chain lubed with liquid results in a teaspoon of 
> Wear particles and Sand, because liquid lube wets and sticks sand.  
> Here's the bottom of the beaker after a 700-mi run with molten speed wax, 
> and this is the typical result from almost 3 years' use.  
>
> 
> I get 700+ mi from one molten speed wax.  A pound waxes 20+ (clean) 
> chains.  So that's 15,000 clean miles.  
> Sand does not stick to a waxed chain.  All that sticks to it is calcium 
> chert, which will rinse away.  
> I ride a lot in winter slop and post-monsoon slop here
>
> 
> It's a no-brainer.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Ron Mc]

you can get a really nice one in lieu of a trip to a dentist
*or there are inexpensive ones 
*
a glass beaker that fits chain and cleaner is also handy

best result is first run in mineral spirits (doesn't hurt to change solvent 
and do it again)
second run in denatured alcohol - again, quit when the solvent is clean
you need ventilation, and both solvents are cheap by the gallon at hardware 
stores.  

Double boiler is also cheap - a couple of porcelain enameled sauce pans.


Heat the water to deaeration and idle it, do not heat it to boiling.  
 After coiled chain melts into the molten wax and I have deaeration 
temperature, I let it thermally soak for about 20-30 min, and gently 
agitate - doesn't take much to wet the hot wax where you need it.  
I handle the hot waxed chain with leather gloves, hang it over some pegs to 
cool, then break each link one by one.  

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Ron Mc]

I ride 6000 mi/yr, run Wippermann stainless chains on 4 bikes.  I have a 
minimum effort system that maximizes drivetrain life.  

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Bill Lindsay]

I ponied up $50 for 3 pounds, so I can kick off a long term experiment with 
El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing.  Most of the racers' new 
chains get bought and installed by me, so I'm going to get set up to 
convert several racers to Molten Speed Wax.  The kids are not super 
disciplined about lubing their chains to the durability and low friction 
claims could be big wins for us.  If we don't win the California State 
Championship in 2019 I'll come after Patrick Moore for a $50 refund.  

Coach Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Gauchos

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 6:36:44 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I didn't have good results with plain paraffin after several years of 
> using it, though others have said they get very good results. But last year 
> I started to use "Molten Speed Wax" which seems to work much better despite 
> its stupid name.
>
> "Better" means that the chain is quiet for at least 200 miles while riding 
> in deepish, silty, dusty sand, longer on pavement, of course; and I'm 
> hoping to get longer chain life than the ~2K miles I got with plain 
> paraffin. And while the chain stays quiet, the surface of the chain stays 
> clean, and there is no buildup of gunk on the cassette and derailleur 
> pulleys.
>
> $20/lb from Amazon.
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> I did a search on this and was surprised not to find anything. (Except 
>> waxing cloth!)
>>
>> After 40+ years of cleaning and lubing chains I may be ready to try wax.  
>> I recently got a recipe & process on the tandem list but wondered about the 
>> experience of people on this list.  How much extra work is it?  How much 
>> longer does it last than "dry lubes?"  Does it make a difference what kind 
>> of environment you ride in, eg, Santa Fe vs Seattle?
>>
>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm good for it.

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> ...  If we don't win the California State Championship in 2019 I'll come
> after Patrick Moore for a $50 refund.
>
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Michael Hechmer]

As the new comer to the idea of waxing chains I went to youtube for a demo. 
 There are quite a few ranging from how to to comparison test.  One that I 
found helpful was "Molten SpeedWax - The Epic guide to Chain Waxing  It's 
here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIJLBgtw1c

Michael

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 2:43:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm good for it.
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> ...  If we don't win the California State Championship in 2019 I'll come 
>> after Patrick Moore for a $50 refund.  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Tom Norton]

The question of how the hot wax can get inside the rollers was answered,for me, 
on a video. The Australian fellow used liquid paraffin along with the solid 
bars of paraffin when he melted it down in a Crock-Pot.

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

How are you sure the wear particles and sand aren't from the exterior of 
the chain? Those can stick to the oil, but do nothing functional except 
gather at the bottom of your beaker during ultrasonic cleaning. The issue 
with wax is that it does not replenish itself once displaced by the 
pressure on the loaded part of the chain. Liquid lubricants do.

Have you ever tried not lubricating, so you can do a comparison to verify 
wax's efficacy on chain life?


On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I've covered this a few times and shared my results with Patrick before he 
> picked up the habit.  
> Ultrasonic cleaning of a chain lubed with liquid results in a teaspoon of 
> Wear particles and Sand, because liquid lube wets and sticks sand.  
> Here's the bottom of the beaker after a 700-mi run with molten speed wax, 
> and this is the typical result from almost 3 years' use.  
>
> 
> I get 700+ mi from one molten speed wax.  A pound waxes 20+ (clean) 
> chains.  So that's 15,000 clean miles.  
> Sand does not stick to a waxed chain.  All that sticks to it is calcium 
> chert, which will rinse away.  
> I ride a lot in winter slop and post-monsoon slop here
>
> 
> It's a no-brainer.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Patrick Moore]

Has there been careful testing of this, ie internal pressures pushing out
the wax and, for that matter, all lubes, and wet lubes flowing back in? At
any rate, I seem to be getting as good chain mileage, if not better, with
Molten wax as with "dry lubricants" - Pro Link, Purple Extreme, Orange Seal
to mention the last 3 I've used; and the Molten Wax is cleaner even than
these. I know that someone on the boblist has used plain paraffin for years
if not decades, and claims to get even better mileage from his chains than
Ron (This is Demitri.) Now whether he would get this mileage using no lube
at all, I don't know, but my mileage *with* expensive commercial lubes was
certainly not as good as he claims to get with wax.

Of course, perhaps dry lubes so called have the same defect, so that our
only hope for max chain life is a "wet lube"? In which case, for sand, I
have to say I'd rather have the lower chain life and no exterior grit -- a
wet lube in our sand makes a bloody mess and will certainly wear out cogs
and rings.

Also, if one gets as good chain life and performance with a wholly
neglected chain as with wax, I'd like to know, but I'm skeptical -- "dry"
chains certainly make more noise than waxed ones, a sign that something,
somewhere is not running as smoothly as it might.

Ron: Do you find that Molten Wax works well even in your winter and
post-monsoon "slop"?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> ... The issue with wax is that it does not replenish itself once displaced
> by the pressure on the loaded part of the chain. Liquid lubricants do.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Ron Mc]

hi bro, thought I made that clear.  This became my system because it is way 
far the most efficient use of my maintenance time, and best system for life 
of my drivetrains (I'm running a 47T TA - try finding another one of 
those).  .  
What I learned before with the dry lubes was they would sling off when wet 
with water - no more left on the chain, now it's all on your rims and rear 
triangles.  
This made me try different grades of weather protect and wax hardness 
additives (e.g. finish line "ceramic").  
They did the same thing when wet, they were just harder to remove from your 
rim and rear triangles.  
Later, when I was hot waxing chains and using bottled lube to extend 
another 100 mi until I could "get around to" taking the chain off for clean 
and hot wax, discovered the hard-resist bottled products were also harder 
to remove from your chain.  Using Clean Ride to extend the hot wax is the 
cleanest and easiest choice.  

Molten speed wax does not wash off with slop, or even using a hose to rinse 
slop from your bike.  

My oldest Wipperman quick link broke yesterday when I had to make a 
standing start.  I was at mi 12 on my 30-mi ride.  Of course I had two link 
sets in my bike bag, along with a chain tool and the leftover chain piece.  
The point - I had to back up and pick my chain up from the ground.  This is 
the chain that's next in the queue to clean, and I gave it a quick squirt 
of Clean Ride a couple of weeks ago.  Picking the chain up off the ground, 
it felt wonderfully slick.  I popped it back in place looking like a pro at 
a pit stop, and did not get my hands dirty. .   

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Ron Mc]

btw, slop is why I went to Wippermann stainless chains - I hated seeing 
flash rust on the chain after using the hose to rinse slop from the bike.  
Since the rest of my bikes are hose-proof, decided to do the same with the 
chains.  

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 5:29:17 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> hi bro, thought I made that clear.  This became my system because it is 
> way far the most efficient use of my maintenance time, and best system for 
> life of my drivetrains (I'm running a 47T TA - try finding another one of 
> those).  .  
> What I learned before with the dry lubes was they would sling off when wet 
> with water - no more left on the chain, now it's all on your rims and rear 
> triangles.  
> This made me try different grades of weather protect and wax hardness 
> additives (e.g. finish line "ceramic").  
> They did the same thing when wet, they were just harder to remove from 
> your rim and rear triangles.  
> Later, when I was hot waxing chains and using bottled lube to extend 
> another 100 mi until I could "get around to" taking the chain off for clean 
> and hot wax, discovered the hard-resist bottled products were also harder 
> to remove from your chain.  Using Clean Ride to extend the hot wax is the 
> cleanest and easiest choice.  
>
> Molten speed wax does not wash off with slop, or even using a hose to 
> rinse slop from your bike.  
>
> My oldest Wipperman quick link broke yesterday when I had to make a 
> standing start.  I was at mi 12 on my 30-mi ride.  Of course I had two link 
> sets in my bike bag, along with a chain tool and the leftover chain piece.  
> The point - I had to back up and pick my chain up from the ground.  This is 
> the chain that's next in the queue to clean, and I gave it a quick squirt 
> of Clean Ride a couple of weeks ago.  Picking the chain up off the ground, 
> it felt wonderfully slick.  I popped it back in place looking like a pro at 
> a pit stop, and did not get my hands dirty. .   
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Jon BALER]

Rock-n-Roll Gold lube comes in a 16 oz bottle, which is a pretty good 
value.  Use it liberally and it will keep the chain relatively clean.  
(wipe off excessive of course)  I use gold on my geared bikes, and the 
messier blue version on single speed/fixed gear chains. 

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:49:22 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> btw, slop is why I went to Wippermann stainless chains - I hated seeing 
> flash rust on the chain after using the hose to rinse slop from the bike.  
> Since the rest of my bikes are hose-proof, decided to do the same with the 
> chains.  
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 5:29:17 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> hi bro, thought I made that clear.  This became my system because it is 
>> way far the most efficient use of my maintenance time, and best system for 
>> life of my drivetrains (I'm running a 47T TA - try finding another one of 
>> those).  .  
>> What I learned before with the dry lubes was they would sling off when 
>> wet with water - no more left on the chain, now it's all on your rims and 
>> rear triangles.  
>> This made me try different grades of weather protect and wax hardness 
>> additives (e.g. finish line "ceramic").  
>> They did the same thing when wet, they were just harder to remove from 
>> your rim and rear triangles.  
>> Later, when I was hot waxing chains and using bottled lube to extend 
>> another 100 mi until I could "get around to" taking the chain off for clean 
>> and hot wax, discovered the hard-resist bottled products were also harder 
>> to remove from your chain.  Using Clean Ride to extend the hot wax is the 
>> cleanest and easiest choice.  
>>
>> Molten speed wax does not wash off with slop, or even using a hose to 
>> rinse slop from your bike.  
>>
>> My oldest Wipperman quick link broke yesterday when I had to make a 
>> standing start.  I was at mi 12 on my 30-mi ride.  Of course I had two link 
>> sets in my bike bag, along with a chain tool and the leftover chain piece.  
>> The point - I had to back up and pick my chain up from the ground.  This is 
>> the chain that's next in the queue to clean, and I gave it a quick squirt 
>> of Clean Ride a couple of weeks ago.  Picking the chain up off the ground, 
>> it felt wonderfully slick.  I popped it back in place looking like a pro at 
>> a pit stop, and did not get my hands dirty. .   
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Michael Hechmer]

So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now 
dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a 
drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign 
of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times. 
 Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any 
lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could 
feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt 
roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose 
dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked 
the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible 
dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.  

I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.

Michael

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>
> I believe they state that you should wipe down your chain after every ride 
> which would keep the chain cleaner. I never do that and only wipe down the 
> chain when I re-lube the chain. I just checked the chains on a couple of 
> bikes that haven't been re-lubed in a while and the chains are still pretty 
> clean.
>
> Another good thing about NFS is that one bottle will last a long time. 12 
> drops per chain uses far less than the one drop every link I used with 
> Boeshield.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* May 31, 2020 4:45 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>
> Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea 
> of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs 
> redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to 
> the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then 
> spread the lube back to the chain sides?
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>> I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. 
>> I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less 
>> frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays 
>> clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.
>>
>> http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/
>>
>> I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the 
>> wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove 
>> the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about 
>> doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS 
>> works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* May 28, 2020 4:18 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>>
>> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
>> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>>
>> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
>> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
>> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
>> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
>> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
>> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
>> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>>
>> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, 
>> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil 
>> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the 
>> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first 
>> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil 
>> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new 
>> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of 
>> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off 
>> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; 
>> and wonder if it would real

Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[John Bokman]

I also have been very impressed with NFS. I used to use boeshield, and 
triflow, and finishlineWhere I live in Oregon it is wet 8 months a 
year. I commute daily, and oil gunking up the drivetrain can be a real 
mess. So I tried the NFS simply to keep everything cleaner. It has been the 
cleanest I've used,  and also longest lasting.

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 1:10:55 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now 
> dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a 
> drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign 
> of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times. 
>  Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any 
> lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could 
> feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt 
> roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose 
> dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked 
> the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible 
> dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.  
>
> I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>> I believe they state that you should wipe down your chain after every 
>> ride which would keep the chain cleaner. I never do that and only wipe down 
>> the chain when I re-lube the chain. I just checked the chains on a couple 
>> of bikes that haven't been re-lubed in a while and the chains are still 
>> pretty clean.
>>
>> Another good thing about NFS is that one bottle will last a long time. 12 
>> drops per chain uses far less than the one drop every link I used with 
>> Boeshield.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* May 31, 2020 4:45 AM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>>
>> Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea 
>> of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs 
>> redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to 
>> the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then 
>> spread the lube back to the chain sides?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>
>>> I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using 
>>> Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be 
>>> reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the 
>>> chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work 
>>> but it does.
>>>
>>> http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/
>>>
>>> I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the 
>>> wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove 
>>> the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about 
>>> doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS 
>>> works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>>> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* May 28, 2020 4:18 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>>>
>>> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
>>> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>>>
>>> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
>>> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
>>> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
>>> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
>>> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
>>> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
>>> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>>>
>>> Can

Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Patrick Moore]

One more satisfied customer, I guess! NFS is the one lube that from reports
I would consider using in place of Molten Speed Wax. Must get around to
buying some.

Question to you sandy/dusty/silty surface riders: I'd be interested to hear
how NFS performs in dry conditions of this sort. I'm talking about the sort
of surfaces where even a single 10 mile ride will coat everything from top
tube to drivetrain and disc calipers in a thick coating of dust. (Dust is
the principal reason for using fenders on my Matthews; doesn't keep all the
dust off, but it certainly lessens the amount on things above the knee.)

Also, for longer-term users: Did Michael overdo the application? Do you
really need to put a drop on only 12 links out of N?

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now
> dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a
> drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign
> of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times.
> Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any
> lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could
> feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt
> roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose
> dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked
> the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible
> dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.
>
> I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.
>
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[john Bokman]

I just use 8 drops and I’m good to go!

> On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> One more satisfied customer, I guess! NFS is the one lube that from reports I 
> would consider using in place of Molten Speed Wax. Must get around to buying 
> some.
> 
> Question to you sandy/dusty/silty surface riders: I'd be interested to hear 
> how NFS performs in dry conditions of this sort. I'm talking about the sort 
> of surfaces where even a single 10 mile ride will coat everything from top 
> tube to drivetrain and disc calipers in a thick coating of dust. (Dust is the 
> principal reason for using fenders on my Matthews; doesn't keep all the dust 
> off, but it certainly lessens the amount on things above the knee.)
> 
> Also, for longer-term users: Did Michael overdo the application? Do you 
> really need to put a drop on only 12 links out of N?
> 
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
> So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now 
> dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a drop 
> on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign of any 
> lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times.  Still no 
> sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any lube, but this 
> time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could feel just the 
> thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt roads.  The bike 
> ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose dirt, shifted 
> flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked the rings & chain 
> and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible dirt.  Wiped the 
> chain and the big ring down.  
> 
> I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.
> 
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> 
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Michael Hechmer]

Deacon, do you actually own chain saw?  I owned a chain saw for many years, 
decades actually.  Then one day I looked down and noticed that I still had 
to legs and two hands and decided I would sell my chainsaw while I was 
ahead.  I still own many dangerous tools, including a 3HP table saw, a tool 
which maims an American every seven minutes, but a chain saw, no thank you.

Michael

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:51:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
> but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
> me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Michael Hechmer]

Patrick, in hind sight I suspect I did overdue it, out of insecurity.  Like 
Moses who insisted on striking the rock twice.

Michael

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 6:07:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One more satisfied customer, I guess! NFS is the one lube that from 
> reports I would consider using in place of Molten Speed Wax. Must get 
> around to buying some.
>
> Question to you sandy/dusty/silty surface riders: I'd be interested to 
> hear how NFS performs in dry conditions of this sort. I'm talking about the 
> sort of surfaces where even a single 10 mile ride will coat everything from 
> top tube to drivetrain and disc calipers in a thick coating of dust. (Dust 
> is the principal reason for using fenders on my Matthews; doesn't keep all 
> the dust off, but it certainly lessens the amount on things above the knee.)
>
> Also, for longer-term users: Did Michael overdo the application? Do you 
> really need to put a drop on only 12 links out of N?
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now 
>> dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a 
>> drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign 
>> of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times.  
>> Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any 
>> lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could 
>> feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt 
>> roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose 
>> dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked 
>> the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible 
>> dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.  
>>
>> I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Michael,

I sold the chain saw after me bludgeoned brain. I can't be near the loud 
motor. I use a Silky saw now. the 14" blade goes through stunningly thick 
downed trees for quick(ish) human powered trail work.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Deacon, do you actually own chain saw?  I owned a chain saw for many 
> years, decades actually.  Then one day I looked down and noticed that I 
> still had to legs and two hands and decided I would sell my chainsaw while 
> I was ahead.  I still own many dangerous tools, including a 3HP table saw, 
> a tool which maims an American every seven minutes, but a chain saw, no 
> thank you.
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:51:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
>> but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
>> me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Robert Tilley]

  I find that the 12 drops works for me. It ends up coating the chain with a bit getting on the cogs and rings,Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: June 5, 2020 3:07 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  One more satisfied customer, I guess! NFS is the one lube that from reports I would consider using in place of Molten Speed Wax. Must get around to buying some.Question to you sandy/dusty/silty surface riders: I'd be interested to hear how NFS performs in dry conditions of this sort. I'm talking about the sort of surfaces where even a single 10 mile ride will coat everything from top tube to drivetrain and disc calipers in a thick coating of dust. (Dust is the principal reason for using fenders on my Matthews; doesn't keep all the dust off, but it certainly lessens the amount on things above the knee.)Also, for longer-term users: Did Michael overdo the application? Do you really need to put a drop on only 12 links out of N?On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times.  Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.  I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Michael Hechmer]

Deacon, sorry to read this, but glad you have found a way to deal with it.  

Be well.
Michael

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I sold the chain saw after me bludgeoned brain. I can't be near the loud 
> motor. I use a Silky saw now. the 14" blade goes through stunningly thick 
> downed trees for quick(ish) human powered trail work.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Deacon, do you actually own chain saw?  I owned a chain saw for many 
>> years, decades actually.  Then one day I looked down and noticed that I 
>> still had to legs and two hands and decided I would sell my chainsaw while 
>> I was ahead.  I still own many dangerous tools, including a 3HP table saw, 
>> a tool which maims an American every seven minutes, but a chain saw, no 
>> thank you.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:51:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
>>> but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
>>> me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Bill Schairer]

What I’m curious about is what results one with get with other lubes applied in 
the same manner as NSF.  Can’t wait for your report, Patrick.  Of course I can 
always try myself.  Count me skeptical of any magic in NSF but I am intrigued.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Patrick Moore]

https://moltenspeedwax.com

I ride in very fine silty sand and find that waxed chains pick up almost no
dirt. I use this stuff in a small crockpot and a with a masterlink and find
it easy and fast apart from waiting for the wax to melt and ensuring that
the chain soaks in the liquid wax for 15 minutes or so. I don't bother to
agitate, and my crockpot os small enough that I need only 1/4 lb or so
which lasts many treatments if you start the first with a clean chain --
subsequent ones require no cleaning before treatment.   I get ~ 150 miles
for dusty dirt, 400 miles + (500 miles on the last bike) on pavement, twice
the miles or more compared to plain paraffin.

Coil chain to insert, remove with wire hook and long arm, wipe dry, hang to
cool before installing. The chain will be stiff at first but will shed no
flakes of dry wax.

Small crockpots are $2.99 at Goodwill.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:18 PM Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years,
> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>
> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I
> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I
> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing
> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride),
> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my
> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot
> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>
> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains,
> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil
> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the
> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first
> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil
> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new
> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of
> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off
> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc;
> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner
> and reduce wear?
>
> Your experience, appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Patrick Moore]

Note that I ride where the average annual rainfall is about 9"; I expect
the stuff would work less well in Seattle.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> https://moltenspeedwax.com
>
> I ride in very fine silty sand and find that waxed chains pick up almost
> no dirt. I use this stuff in a small crockpot and a with a masterlink and
> find it easy and fast apart from waiting for the wax to melt and ensuring
> that the chain soaks in the liquid wax for 15 minutes or so. I don't bother
> to agitate, and my crockpot os small enough that I need only 1/4 lb or so
> which lasts many treatments if you start the first with a clean chain --
> subsequent ones require no cleaning before treatment.   I get ~ 150 miles
> for dusty dirt, 400 miles + (500 miles on the last bike) on pavement, twice
> the miles or more compared to plain paraffin.
>
> Coil chain to insert, remove with wire hook and long arm, wipe dry, hang
> to cool before installing. The chain will be stiff at first but will shed
> no flakes of dry wax.
>
> Small crockpots are $2.99 at Goodwill.
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:18 PM Michael Hechmer 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years,
>> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>>
>> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I
>> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I
>> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing
>> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride),
>> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my
>> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot
>> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>>
>> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains,
>> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil
>> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the
>> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first
>> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil
>> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new
>> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of
>> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off
>> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc;
>> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner
>> and reduce wear?
>>
>> Your experience, appreciated.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Patrick Moore]

Note that Molten Speed Wax works much better than mere paraffin, despite
it's silly name.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> https://moltenspeedwax.com
>
> I ride in very fine silty sand and find that waxed chains pick up almost
> no dirt. I use this stuff in a small crockpot and a with a masterlink and
> find it easy and fast apart from waiting for the wax to melt and ensuring
> that the chain soaks in the liquid wax for 15 minutes or so. I don't bother
> to agitate, and my crockpot os small enough that I need only 1/4 lb or so
> which lasts many treatments if you start the first with a clean chain --
> subsequent ones require no cleaning before treatment.   I get ~ 150 miles
> for dusty dirt, 400 miles + (500 miles on the last bike) on pavement, twice
> the miles or more compared to plain paraffin.
>
> Coil chain to insert, remove with wire hook and long arm, wipe dry, hang
> to cool before installing. The chain will be stiff at first but will shed
> no flakes of dry wax.
>
> Small crockpots are $2.99 at Goodwill.
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:18 PM Michael Hechmer 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years,
>> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>>
>> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I
>> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I
>> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing
>> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride),
>> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my
>> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot
>> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>>
>> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains,
>> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil
>> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the
>> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first
>> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil
>> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new
>> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of
>> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off
>> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc;
>> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner
>> and reduce wear?
>>
>> Your experience, appreciated.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Robert Tilley]

  I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/   I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: mhech...@gmail.comSent: May 28, 2020 4:18 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner and reduce wear?Your experience, appreciated.Michael



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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Patrick Moore]

If others can compare NFS with Molten Speed Wax on sandy terrain from
personal experience, I'd very much like to hear from them.

Patrick Moore, who is nonetheless pretty happy with MSW.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Robert Tilley  wrote:

> I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield.
> I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less
> frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays
> clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.
>
> http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/
>
> I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax
> they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the
> cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about
> doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS
> works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Michael Hechmer]

Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea 
of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs 
redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to 
the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then 
spread the lube back to the chain sides?

Michael

On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>
> I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. 
> I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less 
> frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays 
> clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.
>
> http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/
>
> I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax 
> they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the 
> cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about 
> doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS 
> works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* May 28, 2020 4:18 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>
> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>
> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>
> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, 
> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil 
> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the 
> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first 
> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil 
> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new 
> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of 
> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off 
> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; 
> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner 
> and reduce wear?
>
> Your experience, appreciated.
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Robert Tilley]

  I believe they state that you should wipe down your chain after every ride which would keep the chain cleaner. I never do that and only wipe down the chain when I re-lube the chain. I just checked the chains on a couple of bikes that haven't been re-lubed in a while and the chains are still pretty clean.Another good thing about NFS is that one bottle will last a long time. 12 drops per chain uses far less than the one drop every link I used with Boeshield.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: mhech...@gmail.comSent: May 31, 2020 4:45 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then spread the lube back to the chain sides?MichaelOn Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:  I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/   I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  mhec...@gmail.comSent: May 28, 2020 4:18 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner and reduce wear?Your experience, appreciated.Michael



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