Re: [RBW] Just Ride: wee dram optional

[Patrick Moore]

??? Where are the fenders ???

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Patrick Moore]

Ian -- I think you hit one of the nails: I tend to ignore replenishment and
I certainly don't start out with food in my system, since I have long been
in the habit of not eating much or anything all day until I eat a large
dinner. When you go for a ride at 2 pm after nothing more than 20 oz of
sweet, milky tea, if that, all day, then eat just a mouthful of something
until a dinner at 6, I suppose you might expect that the next day you feel
a little fatigued.

Sweet, hot, strong, milky tea and toast with lots of butter: I agree that
this would be excellent recovery food! But perhaps I should try it as a
warmup food, too. As it is, after today's 22 mile ride -- still feeling
weakish -- I comforted myself with a Mars bar, a small bag of potato chips,
and a couple of beers. Scientific nutrition, you see.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Ian A  wrote:

> To Patrick"s point of warming up. I'm not necessarily old enough to
> comment, being 48, but I've never knowingly warmed up. I think recovery
> time and method is more pertinent. If you worked hard yesterday, did you
> eat and drink and sleep well afterwards?  If not, the body might be still
> recovering. Then a slow start makes sense.
>
> Headwinds are brutal on the psyche too. It's hard to guage just how hard
> you are working against a wind.
>
> Best warm up ever is a cup if tea and two slices of toast and butter.
>
> Ian A/Canada.
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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[George Cline]

I definitely find it now takes longer to warm up, (I'm 60). I feel a little 
sluggish during the first few miles of my rides now, but the good news is I 
feel great at the end!

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Ian A]

To Patrick"s point of warming up. I'm not necessarily old enough to comment, 
being 48, but I've never knowingly warmed up. I think recovery time and method 
is more pertinent. If you worked hard yesterday, did you eat and drink and 
sleep well afterwards?  If not, the body might be still recovering. Then a slow 
start makes sense. 

Headwinds are brutal on the psyche too. It's hard to guage just how hard you 
are working against a wind. 

Best warm up ever is a cup if tea and two slices of toast and butter. 

Ian A/Canada. 

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/24/2016 12:53 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Interesting discussion. I'll add a question: George and other aging 
has-beens, do y'all find that warming up is more and more necessary as 
you age? Yesterday, feeling tired from the hills on Wednesday, I went 
out on a 12 mile rt grocery run with one of those very annoying 
headwinds that is facing you no matter which direction you go. (Yes, 
you literal minded ones, that's a joke.) In fact, I think the wind was 
variable; it certainly was gusty. At any rate, I spurned a warmup in 
the 63" low on the errand Riv, and despite trying to hold back, found 
myself in that annoying state of feeling perpetually bogged in a 
slightly too-high gear (it was 70") even though at other times the 
gear seems low, even riding in winds. (12 miles? Tired? Pathetic!) 
It's my legs as much as my lungs that suffer, while at other times 
I'll blithely ride the same 70" gear up Tramway.


Anyway, I think that as I progress into my 60s, warmup is starting to 
mean /warmup, /and I have to be very careful to go slowly for at least 
3-4 miles before riding even at my usual slow cruising speeds. 12 mph 
warmup.


Do y'all find this so?



Don't know about "aging has-beens" and I don't know about "have to," but 
I certainly want to - so much so that over the years it's become the 
normal and natural way I go about it.  Something like 80-90% of the time 
I'm either riding by myself or I'm leading, so there's no reason not to 
and nothing preventing me from doing so.  People who come on my rides 
and ride with me seem to be happy with that approach too -- of course, 
most of them are also "older".


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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[George Schick]

Patrick - I usually try to ride in lower gears during the first part of a 
ride, which I guess would be like warming up.  And yeah, I understand about 
the ex-wife stuff.  I had one who didn't want anything to do with cycling, 
running, or an other kind of regular exercise routine  - just raise the 
family.  Until she got into her 40's and then it was all the above, mostly 
to the neglect of the rest of the family.  Never could figure it all out.

On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 11:54:36 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion. I'll add a question: George and other aging 
> has-beens, do y'all find that warming up is more and more necessary as you 
> age? Yesterday, feeling tired from the hills on Wednesday, I went out on a 
> 12 mile rt grocery run with one of those very annoying headwinds that is 
> facing you no matter which direction you go. (Yes, you literal minded ones, 
> that's a joke.) In fact, I think the wind was variable; it certainly was 
> gusty. At any rate, I spurned a warmup in the 63" low on the errand Riv, 
> and despite trying to hold back, found myself in that annoying state of 
> feeling perpetually bogged in a slightly too-high gear (it was 70") even 
> though at other times the gear seems low, even riding in winds. (12 miles? 
> Tired? Pathetic!) It's my legs as much as my lungs that suffer, while at 
> other times I'll blithely ride the same 70" gear up Tramway.
>
> Anyway, I think that as I progress into my 60s, warmup is starting to mean 
> *warmup, 
> *and I have to be very careful to go slowly for at least 3-4 miles before 
> riding even at my usual slow cruising speeds. 12 mph warmup.
>
> Do y'all find this so?
>
> As to elevated heart rate: that's a sure sign of overdoing it. I used to 
> be that way regularly back when I commuted across town, making every 15-16 
> mile 1-way into a time trial (or a contest with the Route 66 buses). I 
> caught cold very easily too, and always felt tired. (I would routinely beat 
> the bus and the hour, straight across on Central Ave from Atrisco to Juan 
> Tabo, with 7 miles of climbing starting at Broadway. I always beat the bus 
> and often beat the hour, clock running, lights and all, and including the 
> complications downtown around Gold and the Coors crossing east of the 
>  Unser and Ladera starting point. About 68".
>
> Speaking of spinning -- reminds me of the horrible 60 minute, structured 
> workouts I inflicted on myself before I decided it was better to ride in 
> sub freezing weather -- my ex wife, not ex at the time, bless her naivete, 
> decided to try Spinning (tm) at a nearby gymn, and turned up wholly 
> unprepared -- and just about fell off halfway through fatigue; she had to 
> be revived with kindness and ministrations and liquids. She took up running 
> instead.
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:06 AM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  I'll take all of that under consideration.  Way it is now, I'll 
>> go for a 35-40 mile ride at 12.5 -13mph and when I get done my legs are 
>> tired, but otherwise I feel fine.  I believe I'll keep things that way for 
>> now.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/24/2016 10:51 AM, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> If you can control the intensity, that might be OK.  There's still the 
>>> noise issue, but I guess ear plugs could be worn.  I'm basing the heart 
>>> rate comment on the American Heart Assn's max rate/age chart.  In the late 
>>> 60's, it says that 155 bpm should be the max and a max of 132 for the 
>>> target rate.  I get it cranked up out on the road, but am cautious not to 
>>> over do it.  
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you are misunderstanding that chart.  Max heart rate is not a 
>>> "red line" you should not exceed lest your heart explode.  Rather, it's a 
>>> point where your heart "...'can’t eject blood effectively enough; where 
>>> it’s not productive anymore,' says Dean Golich, head performance 
>>> physiologist for Carmichael Training Systems. When this happens, 
>>> self-preservation kicks in and you slow down."
>>> ( --
>>> http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-injuries/5-max-heartrate-training-myths-busted)
>>>
>>> Get up to your personal max heart rate (which can vary widely from that 
>>> back of the envelope 220 minus age calculation estimation -- which is all 
>>> it is) and you're going to feel like crap and stop.   
>>>
>>> If you've got a cardiac condition or have had a heart attack and have 
>>> sustained damage to your heart, that may not be true; but if that were the 
>>> case for you I'm pretty sure you would have undoubtedly said something 
>>> about it, rather than voicing a general age-related concern.   
>>>
>>> In any event, in a spin class or on a bicycle, you control how hard 
>>> you're going at it.  As for noise, I'm sure it varies from class to class.  
>>> There's nothing inherently noisy about spin bikes and there's no reason to 
>>> have music so loud as t

Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting discussion. I'll add a question: George and other aging
has-beens, do y'all find that warming up is more and more necessary as you
age? Yesterday, feeling tired from the hills on Wednesday, I went out on a
12 mile rt grocery run with one of those very annoying headwinds that is
facing you no matter which direction you go. (Yes, you literal minded ones,
that's a joke.) In fact, I think the wind was variable; it certainly was
gusty. At any rate, I spurned a warmup in the 63" low on the errand Riv,
and despite trying to hold back, found myself in that annoying state of
feeling perpetually bogged in a slightly too-high gear (it was 70") even
though at other times the gear seems low, even riding in winds. (12 miles?
Tired? Pathetic!) It's my legs as much as my lungs that suffer, while at
other times I'll blithely ride the same 70" gear up Tramway.

Anyway, I think that as I progress into my 60s, warmup is starting to
mean *warmup,
*and I have to be very careful to go slowly for at least 3-4 miles before
riding even at my usual slow cruising speeds. 12 mph warmup.

Do y'all find this so?

As to elevated heart rate: that's a sure sign of overdoing it. I used to be
that way regularly back when I commuted across town, making every 15-16
mile 1-way into a time trial (or a contest with the Route 66 buses). I
caught cold very easily too, and always felt tired. (I would routinely beat
the bus and the hour, straight across on Central Ave from Atrisco to Juan
Tabo, with 7 miles of climbing starting at Broadway. I always beat the bus
and often beat the hour, clock running, lights and all, and including the
complications downtown around Gold and the Coors crossing east of the
 Unser and Ladera starting point. About 68".

Speaking of spinning -- reminds me of the horrible 60 minute, structured
workouts I inflicted on myself before I decided it was better to ride in
sub freezing weather -- my ex wife, not ex at the time, bless her naivete,
decided to try Spinning (tm) at a nearby gymn, and turned up wholly
unprepared -- and just about fell off halfway through fatigue; she had to
be revived with kindness and ministrations and liquids. She took up running
instead.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:06 AM, George Schick  wrote:

> Thanks.  I'll take all of that under consideration.  Way it is now, I'll
> go for a 35-40 mile ride at 12.5 -13mph and when I get done my legs are
> tired, but otherwise I feel fine.  I believe I'll keep things that way for
> now.
>
> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2016 10:51 AM, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> If you can control the intensity, that might be OK.  There's still the
>> noise issue, but I guess ear plugs could be worn.  I'm basing the heart
>> rate comment on the American Heart Assn's max rate/age chart.  In the late
>> 60's, it says that 155 bpm should be the max and a max of 132 for the
>> target rate.  I get it cranked up out on the road, but am cautious not to
>> over do it.
>>
>>
>> I think you are misunderstanding that chart.  Max heart rate is not a
>> "red line" you should not exceed lest your heart explode.  Rather, it's a
>> point where your heart "...'can’t eject blood effectively enough; where
>> it’s not productive anymore,' says Dean Golich, head performance
>> physiologist for Carmichael Training Systems. When this happens,
>> self-preservation kicks in and you slow down."
>> ( --http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-injuries/5-max-
>> heartrate-training-myths-busted)   Get up to your personal max heart
>> rate (which can vary widely from that back of the envelope 220 minus age
>> calculation estimation -- which is all it is) and you're going to feel like
>> crap and stop.
>>
>> If you've got a cardiac condition or have had a heart attack and have
>> sustained damage to your heart, that may not be true; but if that were the
>> case for you I'm pretty sure you would have undoubtedly said something
>> about it, rather than voicing a general age-related concern.
>>
>> In any event, in a spin class or on a bicycle, you control how hard
>> you're going at it.  As for noise, I'm sure it varies from class to class.
>> There's nothing inherently noisy about spin bikes and there's no reason to
>> have music so loud as to make you need to wear earplugs.  This article
>> http://fitfluential.com/2015/12/spin-class-101-how-to-ride-h
>> itting-your-zones/  pretty much describes how it was when I did it - and
>> if you're concerned about heart rates, note the comments about heart rate
>> monitors (the article's sponsored by a heart rate mfg) and zones.
>>
>>
>> One time, about 20 years ago, IIRC, I got off work on a mid-Summer day
>> when daylight hours were at the max and chugged out a 40 miler at an
>> average of 18 mph.  My heart rate was still elevated when bedtime came and
>> I had difficulty sleeping that night.
>>
>>
>> If that's still true you might want to look into that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2

Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[George Schick]

Thanks.  I'll take all of that under consideration.  Way it is now, I'll go 
for a 35-40 mile ride at 12.5 -13mph and when I get done my legs are tired, 
but otherwise I feel fine.  I believe I'll keep things that way for now.

On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 11/24/2016 10:51 AM, George Schick wrote:
>
> If you can control the intensity, that might be OK.  There's still the 
> noise issue, but I guess ear plugs could be worn.  I'm basing the heart 
> rate comment on the American Heart Assn's max rate/age chart.  In the late 
> 60's, it says that 155 bpm should be the max and a max of 132 for the 
> target rate.  I get it cranked up out on the road, but am cautious not to 
> over do it.  
>
>
> I think you are misunderstanding that chart.  Max heart rate is not a "red 
> line" you should not exceed lest your heart explode.  Rather, it's a point 
> where your heart "...'can’t eject blood effectively enough; where it’s not 
> productive anymore,' says Dean Golich, head performance physiologist for 
> Carmichael Training Systems. When this happens, self-preservation kicks in 
> and you slow down."
> ( --
> http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-injuries/5-max-heartrate-training-myths-busted)
>
> Get up to your personal max heart rate (which can vary widely from that 
> back of the envelope 220 minus age calculation estimation -- which is all 
> it is) and you're going to feel like crap and stop.   
>
> If you've got a cardiac condition or have had a heart attack and have 
> sustained damage to your heart, that may not be true; but if that were the 
> case for you I'm pretty sure you would have undoubtedly said something 
> about it, rather than voicing a general age-related concern.   
>
> In any event, in a spin class or on a bicycle, you control how hard you're 
> going at it.  As for noise, I'm sure it varies from class to class.  
> There's nothing inherently noisy about spin bikes and there's no reason to 
> have music so loud as to make you need to wear earplugs.  This article 
> http://fitfluential.com/2015/12/spin-class-101-how-to-ride-hitting-your-zones/
>   
> pretty much describes how it was when I did it - and if you're concerned 
> about heart rates, note the comments about heart rate monitors (the 
> article's sponsored by a heart rate mfg) and zones.
>
>
> One time, about 20 years ago, IIRC, I got off work on a mid-Summer day 
> when daylight hours were at the max and chugged out a 40 miler at an 
> average of 18 mph.  My heart rate was still elevated when bedtime came and 
> I had difficulty sleeping that night.
>
>
> If that's still true you might want to look into that.  
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:42:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>> 1) In spin class, *YOU* control the intensity level, no one else.  2) You 
>> can have the same elevated heart rates during road cycling that you can in 
>> spin class.  3) In your opinion, how old is "too damned old" to risk an 
>> elevated heart rate?
>>
>> On 11/24/2016 10:22 AM, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'm too damn old now to risk getting my heart rate up the the level 
>> that spinning stuff requires.  Plus, I can't handle loud noises, music, 
>> crowds, etc. and from what I've seen and heard (mostly on TV) they have the 
>> music jacked way up in those places. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:17:23 AM UTC-6, JimD wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I have friends 
>>> who really enjoy spin classes. 
>>>
>>> Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but they use 
>>> these workouts to get and stay fit.
>>>
>>> They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked fit.
>>>
>>> Not a problem,
>>> -Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these people 
>>> who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at outrageous 
>>> RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the get out on the 
>>> road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable climatic 
>>> conditions the bottom falls out of their performance?  Or are they over the 
>>> top when they transfer to the outdoors so they can knock your socks off? 
>>>  Just curious.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 


 https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
  

 Courtesy of you-know-who.

 Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"

 Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray 
 skies, and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride 
 fixed gear ride.

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/24/2016 10:51 AM, George Schick wrote:
If you can control the intensity, that might be OK.  There's still the 
noise issue, but I guess ear plugs could be worn.  I'm basing the 
heart rate comment on the American Heart Assn's max rate/age chart. 
 In the late 60's, it says that 155 bpm should be the max and a max of 
132 for the target rate.  I get it cranked up out on the road, but am 
cautious not to over do it.


I think you are misunderstanding that chart.  Max heart rate is not a 
"red line" you should not exceed lest your heart explode.  Rather, it's 
a point where your heart "...'can’t eject blood effectively enough; 
where it’s not productive anymore,' says Dean Golich, head performance 
physiologist for Carmichael Training Systems. When this happens, 
self-preservation kicks in and you slow down."
( 
--http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-injuries/5-max-heartrate-training-myths-busted) 
Get up to your personal max heart rate (which can vary widely from that 
back of the envelope 220 minus age calculation estimation -- which is 
all it is) and you're going to feel like crap and stop.


If you've got a cardiac condition or have had a heart attack and have 
sustained damage to your heart, that may not be true; but if that were 
the case for you I'm pretty sure you would have undoubtedly said 
something about it, rather than voicing a general age-related concern.


In any event, in a spin class or on a bicycle, you control how hard 
you're going at it.  As for noise, I'm sure it varies from class to 
class.  There's nothing inherently noisy about spin bikes and there's no 
reason to have music so loud as to make you need to wear earplugs.  This 
article 
http://fitfluential.com/2015/12/spin-class-101-how-to-ride-hitting-your-zones/ 
pretty much describes how it was when I did it - and if you're concerned 
about heart rates, note the comments about heart rate monitors (the 
article's sponsored by a heart rate mfg) and zones.



One time, about 20 years ago, IIRC, I got off work on a mid-Summer day 
when daylight hours were at the max and chugged out a 40 miler at an 
average of 18 mph.  My heart rate was still elevated when bedtime came 
and I had difficulty sleeping that night.


If that's still true you might want to look into that.





On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:42:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:


1) In spin class, *YOU* control the intensity level, no one else. 
2) You can have the same elevated heart rates during road cycling

that you can in spin class.  3) In your opinion, how old is "too
damned old" to risk an elevated heart rate?


On 11/24/2016 10:22 AM, George Schick wrote:

Well, I'm too damn old now to risk getting my heart rate up the
the level that spinning stuff requires.  Plus, I can't handle
loud noises, music, crowds, etc. and from what I've seen and
heard (mostly on TV) they have the music jacked way up in those
places.


On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:17:23 AM UTC-6, JimD wrote:


While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I
have friends who really enjoy spin classes.

Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but
they use these workouts to get and stay fit.

They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked
fit.

Not a problem,
-Jim



On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick
 wrote:

Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of
these people who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are
they spinning at outrageous RPM's with very low "gears"
(resistance) so that when the get out on the road on an
actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable climatic
conditions the bottom falls out of their performance?  Or
are they over the top when they transfer to the outdoors so
they can knock your socks off?  Just curious.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick
Moore wrote:


https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/




Courtesy of you-know-who.

Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"

Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind
and gray skies, and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a
hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear ride.

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Eric Floden]

regarding spin classes, I have never attended but have popped my head in at
a few to see what it was about, and people seemed to be quite fit, and
enjoying themselves.

All my visits were to community centres in BC, Alberta, and Ontario, and
none of them had loud music.  Most had no music beyond one's own
headphones.  But that is a small sampling

ef
Vancouver BC

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[George Schick]

If you can control the intensity, that might be OK.  There's still the 
noise issue, but I guess ear plugs could be worn.  I'm basing the heart 
rate comment on the American Heart Assn's max rate/age chart.  In the late 
60's, it says that 155 bpm should be the max and a max of 132 for the 
target rate.  I get it cranked up out on the road, but am cautious not to 
over do it.  One time, about 20 years ago, IIRC, I got off work on a 
mid-Summer day when daylight hours were at the max and chugged out a 40 
miler at an average of 18 mph.  My heart rate was still elevated when 
bedtime came and I had difficulty sleeping that night.


On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:42:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> 1) In spin class, *YOU* control the intensity level, no one else.  2) You 
> can have the same elevated heart rates during road cycling that you can in 
> spin class.  3) In your opinion, how old is "too damned old" to risk an 
> elevated heart rate?
>
> On 11/24/2016 10:22 AM, George Schick wrote:
>
> Well, I'm too damn old now to risk getting my heart rate up the the level 
> that spinning stuff requires.  Plus, I can't handle loud noises, music, 
> crowds, etc. and from what I've seen and heard (mostly on TV) they have the 
> music jacked way up in those places. 
>
>
> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:17:23 AM UTC-6, JimD wrote: 
>>
>>
>> While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I have friends 
>> who really enjoy spin classes. 
>>
>> Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but they use these 
>> workouts to get and stay fit.
>>
>> They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked fit.
>>
>> Not a problem,
>> -Jim
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these people 
>> who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at outrageous 
>> RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the get out on the 
>> road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable climatic 
>> conditions the bottom falls out of their performance?  Or are they over the 
>> top when they transfer to the outdoors so they can knock your socks off? 
>>  Just curious.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>>  
>>>
>>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>>
>>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
>>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
>>> ride.
>>>
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>>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Steve Palincsar]

1) In spin class, *YOU* control the intensity level, no one else.  2) 
You can have the same elevated heart rates during road cycling that you 
can in spin class.  3) In your opinion, how old is "too damned old" to 
risk an elevated heart rate?



On 11/24/2016 10:22 AM, George Schick wrote:
Well, I'm too damn old now to risk getting my heart rate up the the 
level that spinning stuff requires.  Plus, I can't handle loud noises, 
music, crowds, etc. and from what I've seen and heard (mostly on TV) 
they have the music jacked way up in those places.



On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:17:23 AM UTC-6, JimD wrote:


While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I have
friends who really enjoy spin classes.

Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but they
use these workouts to get and stay fit.

They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked fit.

Not a problem,
-Jim



On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick > wrote:

Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these
people who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they
spinning at outrageous RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance)
so that when the get out on the road on an actual bike, into
stiff headwinds and variable climatic conditions the bottom falls
out of their performance?  Or are they over the top when they
transfer to the outdoors so they can knock your socks off?  Just
curious.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore
wrote:


https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/




Courtesy of you-know-who.

Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"

Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and
gray skies, and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6
mile Just Ride fixed gear ride.

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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[George Schick]

Well, I'm too damn old now to risk getting my heart rate up the the level 
that spinning stuff requires.  Plus, I can't handle loud noises, music, 
crowds, etc. and from what I've seen and heard (mostly on TV) they have the 
music jacked way up in those places.


On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:17:23 AM UTC-6, JimD wrote:
>
>
> While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I have friends 
> who really enjoy spin classes.
>
> Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but they use these 
> workouts to get and stay fit.
>
> They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked fit.
>
> Not a problem,
> -Jim
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick > 
> wrote:
>
> Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these people 
> who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at outrageous 
> RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the get out on the 
> road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable climatic 
> conditions the bottom falls out of their performance?  Or are they over the 
> top when they transfer to the outdoors so they can knock your socks off? 
>  Just curious.
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>
>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>
>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
>> ride.
>>
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>> ***
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>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Just ride!

[Jim Dobbins]

While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I have friends who 
really enjoy spin classes.

Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but they use these 
workouts to get and stay fit.

They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked fit.

Not a problem,
-Jim


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these people who 
> go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at outrageous RPM's 
> with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the get out on the road on an 
> actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable climatic conditions the bottom 
> falls out of their performance?  Or are they over the top when they transfer 
> to the outdoors so they can knock your socks off?  Just curious.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>  
> 
> 
> Courtesy of you-know-who.
> 
> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
> 
> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, and 
> turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear ride.
> 
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> 
> The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu
> Stat crux dum volvitur orbis. (The cross stands motionless while the world 
> revolves.) Carthusian motto
> 
> It is we who change; He remains the same. Eckhart
> 
> Kinei hos eromenon. (It moves [all things] as the beloved.) Aristotle
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] "Just Ride"

[Patrick Moore]

No, just dorky cycling pants. (Not even those, really-- my saddles are
comfortable.)

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Re: [RBW] Just Ride More (or maybe less)

[Jim Bronson]

I've been missing my rides as my bikes didn't get back from vacation until
a week after I did due to me leaving my car out there and flying back.  I
did bike commute on my old Nishiki a couple of times but it's not the same
as riding my nicer bikes.  That dang old Nishiki doesn't even have braze
ons for water bottles.  It's Camelback or nothing.  Usually I choose
nothing because I'm not going far.  It's got me thinking of converting my
90s MTB to 650B so I can at least take along my water bottles.

It was a bit nerve wracking to know my bikes were in the care of others but
anyway, they made it home safe and sound on Saturday evening.n
Unfortunately had plans all day on Sunday so was not able to ride.  :(


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> As I wrote the subject line of this post it occurred to me that this list
> includes folks who are into rondenee riding and certainly don't need to be
> encouraged to ride more, and may even be happier riding less, but this is a
> post about riding more... often.
>
> Here in Vt. we have just emerged from an extensive period of cool, rainy,
> funky weather (sorry to have to share that with Ca., & you in the SW) and I
> haven't been riding much. (Also volunteered to refinish 2000 sq ft of
> hardwood floors in the church and that has kept me pretty busy, and sore.)
> But yesterday Pat and I drove to S.Alburgh (in the middle of Lake
> Champlain) and circumnavigated IsleLaMotte twice, once in each direction.
>  The weather was gorgeous, sunny, calm and in the high 70's.  The ride was
> just 28miles of quiet roads..  We stopped once at a beach and again for a
> roast beef panini.  On the way home we got an apple cider slushy.
>
> I slept well last night and woke up in the best frame of mind I have
> experienced in quite awhile. I feel better and life is better when I ride
> my bike.
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Re: [RBW] just ride sighting

[Aaron Young]

I am pretty sure one of those pictures is more about the bike than the
house. :)

-Aaron
Vancouver, WA, but soon to be The Dalles, OR.



On Saturday, June 8, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:

> Awesome!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hah!  I think Riv might be a new house staging trend.  Check this out:
>
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1518-W-13th-St-The-Dalles-OR-97058/86346788_zpid/#hdp-photo-lightbox
>
> -Aaron
> Vancouver, WA
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> Liesl,
>  I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
> lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
> the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
> It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)
>
> And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
> retreat, too.
>
> I can picture a nice day:
> Get up, paddle across the lake and back
> Bike down to new glarus brewery
> bike home
> fall asleep watching the sun go down.
>
> 
>
>  -sv
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Liesl  wrote:
>
> Good eye!  I used to live in Madison—well, actually I grew up there— and
> come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler,
> Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!
>
> Liesl
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Re: [RBW] just ride sighting

[Peter Morgano]

Does this mean that Rivendell is becoming so trendy that it is used in
house staging? My next paint job will have to be decal free, haha.


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> I was looking at houses on zillow for completely non-sensical reasons when
> I saw something on a table in a picture:
>
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/725-Jenifer-St-Madison-WI-53703/2127245549_zpid/
>
> In the 14th picture there - look on the table.
>
> Wish I had the cash to buy that house even more, now. :)
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride (g-dammit!).

[Ron Mc]

there is one on display in every local bike shop here.  

On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:07:17 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
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>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 19:52 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>> > The general theme of "Just Ride" being riding without complication,
>> > daunting goals, and excessive complication, I have found a niche way
>> > to implement that principle: riding with multiple gears.
>>
>> Yes, multiple gears can be downright wonderful.  We owe a lot to those
>> French amateurs who pushed for them.
>>
>> I could say something about what a shame it is that some people feel
>> they have to vandalize frames that were made to accommodate multiple
>> gears by ripping off or cutting off the fittings when they set them up
>> for fixed or single speed use -- Drewing, somebody called it the other
>> day...
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride (g-dammit!).

[PATRICK MOORE]

Dremels! Vise Grips! Hacksaws! Pliers! Files! Hammers! Cutters! Tin Snips!
Sawzalls!

"Beat, beat, and beat again!" (Joseph Stalin.)

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 19:52 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> > The general theme of "Just Ride" being riding without complication,
> > daunting goals, and excessive complication, I have found a niche way
> > to implement that principle: riding with multiple gears.
>
> Yes, multiple gears can be downright wonderful.  We owe a lot to those
> French amateurs who pushed for them.
>
> I could say something about what a shame it is that some people feel
> they have to vandalize frames that were made to accommodate multiple
> gears by ripping off or cutting off the fittings when they set them up
> for fixed or single speed use -- Drewing, somebody called it the other
> day...
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride (g-dammit!).

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 19:52 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> The general theme of "Just Ride" being riding without complication,
> daunting goals, and excessive complication, I have found a niche way
> to implement that principle: riding with multiple gears.

Yes, multiple gears can be downright wonderful.  We owe a lot to those
French amateurs who pushed for them.

I could say something about what a shame it is that some people feel
they have to vandalize frames that were made to accommodate multiple
gears by ripping off or cutting off the fittings when they set them up
for fixed or single speed use -- Drewing, somebody called it the other
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride

[PATRICK MOORE]

Oh, weight, beyond a certain point, does indeed matter, as do light
wheels when you have appreciable climbing. I plod contentedly up even
steep hills with the amazingly heavy Big Apple Fargo wheels, dropping
into the 36X34 at the steepest parts when pressures are sub 20 psi and
I have a load, but on the gofast, with wheels that are, I kid not,
three lb lighter, with bike almost 15 lb lighter, I certainly can feel
the advantage and climb surprising things in the 75". I am very aware
of climbing performance, climbing hills as I do in relatively high
fixed gears.

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM, robert zeidler
 wrote:

> Strangely, on my Riv custom a 39 x 30 does me just fine. But I have a Seven
> which is a good 8 lbs lighter and I can blow up the hill in a. 39 x 23. Go
> figure.
>
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride

[robert zeidler]

I'm 55 and it sucks almost every time I ride it!  Some days I'm hoping
someone I know will pass me and offer me a ride.

Strangely, on my Riv custom a 39 x 30 does me just fine. But I have a Seven
which is a good 8 lbs lighter and I can blow up the hill in a. 39 x 23. Go
figure.

On Sunday, May 20, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> I am impressed: 2 miles of 8% is no easy walk! Not to mention 35
> miles. I'd want to do 35 miles on the bike and find another way for
> the return (I'd often take a detour one or both ways to add up to 10
> miles for a total of 40 rt, but that wasn't something I'd do 5 days a
> week, week in and out. Age? I did this mostly between early '40s and
> early '50s, but by 53 I was copping out and catching the Express bus
> for the last 7 miles home. Now, I work at home and have to make
> errands for riding -- I find it easier to ride if I have a "practical"
> destination.
>
> In my mid 30s I knew a BIA lawyer, younger than I, who once a week
> rode from his house in Gallup, NM to his office at the Navajo Nation
> capital of Window Rock, and that was only 30 miles. Once a week was
> all he could manage, and that only in summer.
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM, robert zeidler
>  wrote:
> > Mine is about 35 miles one way. About 3500 ft of climbing coming home and
> > finishing with a 2 mile 8% hill.
> > Needless to say it doesn't happen more than 3 times a week.
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, May 20, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> >>
> >> "Ideal commute." What is yours?
> >>
> >> Mine would be: ~ 10 miles one way, no big hills or regular winds
> >> outbound, some hills to climb on the return to make things
> >> interesting; much if not all on a wooded, paved and (at the commute
> >> times of day) little used bike path.
> >>
> >> [Aside: I was annoyed when I commuted 15-16 miles one way, outbound
> >> with 7 miles uphill, to find that my inbound, homeward times were no
> >> different from outbound. But I realized that this is a penalty of
> >> riding fixed: you don't make up a great deal of time on the
> >> downhills.]
> >>
> >> Segwaying: I differ from many in liking to ride -- well, "hard" is
> >> putting too much stress on it; let's say "energetically." OTOH, I also
> >> like short rides: I get bored after about an hour, usually -- must try
> >> to ride with others, more, for longer distance interest. IOW, my
> >> personal application of the "just ride" philosophy is to ride until I
> >> sweat and breath heavily, even if only for a 11 mile rt to the grocery
> >> store.
> >>
> >> Last week, an ideal day: 12 miles home to Mom's via Mom's PO; 11 miles
> >> Mom to home; 8.5 miles home to church for Council meeting; 8.5 miles
> >> church back home; total 40 miles (diligently tracked on Cyclemeter on
> >> my iPhone), of which 28 on the Fargo, the rest on the '03 Curt.
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM, jimD  wrote:
> >> > I haven't read the book yet.
> >> >
> >> > I've ridden bikes for more years than I admit, most of that was 'club'
> >> > type riding with friends. The focus was on fitness and speed. As I
> aged that
> >> > became less fulfilling and I rode less and started avoiding the
> climbs.
> >> > Discovering Rivendell six or so years ago was the renaissance of
> >> > bicycling for me. These days I ride mostly for fun but try to maintain
> >> > 'century' fitness. I have an ideal commute and seldom drive to and
> from
> >> > work. I ride more than I ever did in my club/sport days and enjoy it
> more.
> >> >
> >> > From my perspective, Grant is on a worthy mission with 'Just Ride'.
> >> >
> >> > -JimD
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On May 19, 2012, at 9:56 PM, lungimsam wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I have really enjoyed this book and learned alooot!
> >> >> I like the way Grant gives good ole' bike knowledge in simple, plain
> >> >> old English.
> >> >> Makes learning about, setting up, maintaining, and riding a bike fun
> >> >> again.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been caught up in a whirlwind of modern race bike confusion
> for
> >> >> the last three years and just decided this 4th year of riding that I
> >> >> would ride for fun miles, and not care what my average speed is. I
> >> >> just ride for fun and commuting and enjoyment and to see the beauty
> of
> >> >> God's creation. I also escort my wife to work as she likes to
> commute,
> >> >> so there is even more time on the bike for fun. I love it! Bike
> riding
> >> >> is fun again!
> >> >>
> >> >> Later, I found the Rivbike site and read their velosophy on bike
> >> >> design and riding for fun, I was like "Yes, now this is what I'm
> >> >> talking about!".
> >> >>
> >> >> So when I saw the book was coming out, I was glad to buy one. I am
> >> >> almost done the book now, wish it could go on. I have been
> >> >> highlighting it all over and look forward to rereading it. Has so
> much
> >> >> great info in there. Thanks Grant for the fun and informative read!
> >> >>
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride

[PATRICK MOORE]

I am impressed: 2 miles of 8% is no easy walk! Not to mention 35
miles. I'd want to do 35 miles on the bike and find another way for
the return (I'd often take a detour one or both ways to add up to 10
miles for a total of 40 rt, but that wasn't something I'd do 5 days a
week, week in and out. Age? I did this mostly between early '40s and
early '50s, but by 53 I was copping out and catching the Express bus
for the last 7 miles home. Now, I work at home and have to make
errands for riding -- I find it easier to ride if I have a "practical"
destination.

In my mid 30s I knew a BIA lawyer, younger than I, who once a week
rode from his house in Gallup, NM to his office at the Navajo Nation
capital of Window Rock, and that was only 30 miles. Once a week was
all he could manage, and that only in summer.

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM, robert zeidler
 wrote:
> Mine is about 35 miles one way. About 3500 ft of climbing coming home and
> finishing with a 2 mile 8% hill.
> Needless to say it doesn't happen more than 3 times a week.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 20, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>> "Ideal commute." What is yours?
>>
>> Mine would be: ~ 10 miles one way, no big hills or regular winds
>> outbound, some hills to climb on the return to make things
>> interesting; much if not all on a wooded, paved and (at the commute
>> times of day) little used bike path.
>>
>> [Aside: I was annoyed when I commuted 15-16 miles one way, outbound
>> with 7 miles uphill, to find that my inbound, homeward times were no
>> different from outbound. But I realized that this is a penalty of
>> riding fixed: you don't make up a great deal of time on the
>> downhills.]
>>
>> Segwaying: I differ from many in liking to ride -- well, "hard" is
>> putting too much stress on it; let's say "energetically." OTOH, I also
>> like short rides: I get bored after about an hour, usually -- must try
>> to ride with others, more, for longer distance interest. IOW, my
>> personal application of the "just ride" philosophy is to ride until I
>> sweat and breath heavily, even if only for a 11 mile rt to the grocery
>> store.
>>
>> Last week, an ideal day: 12 miles home to Mom's via Mom's PO; 11 miles
>> Mom to home; 8.5 miles home to church for Council meeting; 8.5 miles
>> church back home; total 40 miles (diligently tracked on Cyclemeter on
>> my iPhone), of which 28 on the Fargo, the rest on the '03 Curt.
>>
>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM, jimD  wrote:
>> > I haven't read the book yet.
>> >
>> > I've ridden bikes for more years than I admit, most of that was 'club'
>> > type riding with friends. The focus was on fitness and speed. As I aged 
>> > that
>> > became less fulfilling and I rode less and started avoiding the climbs.
>> > Discovering Rivendell six or so years ago was the renaissance of
>> > bicycling for me. These days I ride mostly for fun but try to maintain
>> > 'century' fitness. I have an ideal commute and seldom drive to and from
>> > work. I ride more than I ever did in my club/sport days and enjoy it more.
>> >
>> > From my perspective, Grant is on a worthy mission with 'Just Ride'.
>> >
>> > -JimD
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 19, 2012, at 9:56 PM, lungimsam wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have really enjoyed this book and learned alooot!
>> >> I like the way Grant gives good ole' bike knowledge in simple, plain
>> >> old English.
>> >> Makes learning about, setting up, maintaining, and riding a bike fun
>> >> again.
>> >>
>> >> I have been caught up in a whirlwind of modern race bike confusion for
>> >> the last three years and just decided this 4th year of riding that I
>> >> would ride for fun miles, and not care what my average speed is. I
>> >> just ride for fun and commuting and enjoyment and to see the beauty of
>> >> God's creation. I also escort my wife to work as she likes to commute,
>> >> so there is even more time on the bike for fun. I love it! Bike riding
>> >> is fun again!
>> >>
>> >> Later, I found the Rivbike site and read their velosophy on bike
>> >> design and riding for fun, I was like "Yes, now this is what I'm
>> >> talking about!".
>> >>
>> >> So when I saw the book was coming out, I was glad to buy one. I am
>> >> almost done the book now, wish it could go on. I have been
>> >> highlighting it all over and look forward to rereading it. Has so much
>> >> great info in there. Thanks Grant for the fun and informative read!
>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride

[robert zeidler]

Mine is about 35 miles one way. About 3500 ft of climbing coming home and
finishing with a 2 mile 8% hill.
Needless to say it doesn't happen more than 3 times a week.

On Sunday, May 20, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> "Ideal commute." What is yours?
>
> Mine would be: ~ 10 miles one way, no big hills or regular winds
> outbound, some hills to climb on the return to make things
> interesting; much if not all on a wooded, paved and (at the commute
> times of day) little used bike path.
>
> [Aside: I was annoyed when I commuted 15-16 miles one way, outbound
> with 7 miles uphill, to find that my inbound, homeward times were no
> different from outbound. But I realized that this is a penalty of
> riding fixed: you don't make up a great deal of time on the
> downhills.]
>
> Segwaying: I differ from many in liking to ride -- well, "hard" is
> putting too much stress on it; let's say "energetically." OTOH, I also
> like short rides: I get bored after about an hour, usually -- must try
> to ride with others, more, for longer distance interest. IOW, my
> personal application of the "just ride" philosophy is to ride until I
> sweat and breath heavily, even if only for a 11 mile rt to the grocery
> store.
>
> Last week, an ideal day: 12 miles home to Mom's via Mom's PO; 11 miles
> Mom to home; 8.5 miles home to church for Council meeting; 8.5 miles
> church back home; total 40 miles (diligently tracked on Cyclemeter on
> my iPhone), of which 28 on the Fargo, the rest on the '03 Curt.
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM, jimD >
> wrote:
> > I haven't read the book yet.
> >
> > I've ridden bikes for more years than I admit, most of that was 'club'
> type riding with friends. The focus was on fitness and speed. As I aged
> that became less fulfilling and I rode less and started avoiding the climbs.
> > Discovering Rivendell six or so years ago was the renaissance of
> bicycling for me. These days I ride mostly for fun but try to maintain
> 'century' fitness. I have an ideal commute and seldom drive to and from
> work. I ride more than I ever did in my club/sport days and enjoy it more.
> >
> > From my perspective, Grant is on a worthy mission with 'Just Ride'.
> >
> > -JimD
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 19, 2012, at 9:56 PM, lungimsam wrote:
> >
> >> I have really enjoyed this book and learned alooot!
> >> I like the way Grant gives good ole' bike knowledge in simple, plain
> >> old English.
> >> Makes learning about, setting up, maintaining, and riding a bike fun
> >> again.
> >>
> >> I have been caught up in a whirlwind of modern race bike confusion for
> >> the last three years and just decided this 4th year of riding that I
> >> would ride for fun miles, and not care what my average speed is. I
> >> just ride for fun and commuting and enjoyment and to see the beauty of
> >> God's creation. I also escort my wife to work as she likes to commute,
> >> so there is even more time on the bike for fun. I love it! Bike riding
> >> is fun again!
> >>
> >> Later, I found the Rivbike site and read their velosophy on bike
> >> design and riding for fun, I was like "Yes, now this is what I'm
> >> talking about!".
> >>
> >> So when I saw the book was coming out, I was glad to buy one. I am
> >> almost done the book now, wish it could go on. I have been
> >> highlighting it all over and look forward to rereading it. Has so much
> >> great info in there. Thanks Grant for the fun and informative read!
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride

[PATRICK MOORE]

"Ideal commute." What is yours?

Mine would be: ~ 10 miles one way, no big hills or regular winds
outbound, some hills to climb on the return to make things
interesting; much if not all on a wooded, paved and (at the commute
times of day) little used bike path.

[Aside: I was annoyed when I commuted 15-16 miles one way, outbound
with 7 miles uphill, to find that my inbound, homeward times were no
different from outbound. But I realized that this is a penalty of
riding fixed: you don't make up a great deal of time on the
downhills.]

Segwaying: I differ from many in liking to ride -- well, "hard" is
putting too much stress on it; let's say "energetically." OTOH, I also
like short rides: I get bored after about an hour, usually -- must try
to ride with others, more, for longer distance interest. IOW, my
personal application of the "just ride" philosophy is to ride until I
sweat and breath heavily, even if only for a 11 mile rt to the grocery
store.

Last week, an ideal day: 12 miles home to Mom's via Mom's PO; 11 miles
Mom to home; 8.5 miles home to church for Council meeting; 8.5 miles
church back home; total 40 miles (diligently tracked on Cyclemeter on
my iPhone), of which 28 on the Fargo, the rest on the '03 Curt.

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM, jimD  wrote:
> I haven't read the book yet.
>
> I've ridden bikes for more years than I admit, most of that was 'club' type 
> riding with friends. The focus was on fitness and speed. As I aged that 
> became less fulfilling and I rode less and started avoiding the climbs.
> Discovering Rivendell six or so years ago was the renaissance of bicycling 
> for me. These days I ride mostly for fun but try to maintain 'century' 
> fitness. I have an ideal commute and seldom drive to and from work. I ride 
> more than I ever did in my club/sport days and enjoy it more.
>
> From my perspective, Grant is on a worthy mission with 'Just Ride'.
>
> -JimD
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2012, at 9:56 PM, lungimsam wrote:
>
>> I have really enjoyed this book and learned alooot!
>> I like the way Grant gives good ole' bike knowledge in simple, plain
>> old English.
>> Makes learning about, setting up, maintaining, and riding a bike fun
>> again.
>>
>> I have been caught up in a whirlwind of modern race bike confusion for
>> the last three years and just decided this 4th year of riding that I
>> would ride for fun miles, and not care what my average speed is. I
>> just ride for fun and commuting and enjoyment and to see the beauty of
>> God's creation. I also escort my wife to work as she likes to commute,
>> so there is even more time on the bike for fun. I love it! Bike riding
>> is fun again!
>>
>> Later, I found the Rivbike site and read their velosophy on bike
>> design and riding for fun, I was like "Yes, now this is what I'm
>> talking about!".
>>
>> So when I saw the book was coming out, I was glad to buy one. I am
>> almost done the book now, wish it could go on. I have been
>> highlighting it all over and look forward to rereading it. Has so much
>> great info in there. Thanks Grant for the fun and informative read!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Just Ride

[jimD]

I haven't read the book yet.

I've ridden bikes for more years than I admit, most of that was 'club' type 
riding with friends. The focus was on fitness and speed. As I aged that became 
less fulfilling and I rode less and started avoiding the climbs.
Discovering Rivendell six or so years ago was the renaissance of bicycling for 
me. These days I ride mostly for fun but try to maintain 'century' fitness. I 
have an ideal commute and seldom drive to and from work. I ride more than I 
ever did in my club/sport days and enjoy it more. 

>From my perspective, Grant is on a worthy mission with 'Just Ride'.

-JimD



On May 19, 2012, at 9:56 PM, lungimsam wrote:

> I have really enjoyed this book and learned alooot!
> I like the way Grant gives good ole' bike knowledge in simple, plain
> old English.
> Makes learning about, setting up, maintaining, and riding a bike fun
> again.
> 
> I have been caught up in a whirlwind of modern race bike confusion for
> the last three years and just decided this 4th year of riding that I
> would ride for fun miles, and not care what my average speed is. I
> just ride for fun and commuting and enjoyment and to see the beauty of
> God's creation. I also escort my wife to work as she likes to commute,
> so there is even more time on the bike for fun. I love it! Bike riding
> is fun again!
> 
> Later, I found the Rivbike site and read their velosophy on bike
> design and riding for fun, I was like "Yes, now this is what I'm
> talking about!".
> 
> So when I saw the book was coming out, I was glad to buy one. I am
> almost done the book now, wish it could go on. I have been
> highlighting it all over and look forward to rereading it. Has so much
> great info in there. Thanks Grant for the fun and informative read!
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