Interesting discussion. I'll add a question: George and other aging has-beens, do y'all find that warming up is more and more necessary as you age? Yesterday, feeling tired from the hills on Wednesday, I went out on a 12 mile rt grocery run with one of those very annoying headwinds that is facing you no matter which direction you go. (Yes, you literal minded ones, that's a joke.) In fact, I think the wind was variable; it certainly was gusty. At any rate, I spurned a warmup in the 63" low on the errand Riv, and despite trying to hold back, found myself in that annoying state of feeling perpetually bogged in a slightly too-high gear (it was 70") even though at other times the gear seems low, even riding in winds. (12 miles? Tired? Pathetic!) It's my legs as much as my lungs that suffer, while at other times I'll blithely ride the same 70" gear up Tramway.
Anyway, I think that as I progress into my 60s, warmup is starting to mean *warmup, *and I have to be very careful to go slowly for at least 3-4 miles before riding even at my usual slow cruising speeds. 12 mph warmup. Do y'all find this so? As to elevated heart rate: that's a sure sign of overdoing it. I used to be that way regularly back when I commuted across town, making every 15-16 mile 1-way into a time trial (or a contest with the Route 66 buses). I caught cold very easily too, and always felt tired. (I would routinely beat the bus and the hour, straight across on Central Ave from Atrisco to Juan Tabo, with 7 miles of climbing starting at Broadway. I always beat the bus and often beat the hour, clock running, lights and all, and including the complications downtown around Gold and the Coors crossing east of the Unser and Ladera starting point. About 68". Speaking of spinning -- reminds me of the horrible 60 minute, structured workouts I inflicted on myself before I decided it was better to ride in sub freezing weather -- my ex wife, not ex at the time, bless her naivete, decided to try Spinning (tm) at a nearby gymn, and turned up wholly unprepared -- and just about fell off halfway through fatigue; she had to be revived with kindness and ministrations and liquids. She took up running instead. On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:06 AM, George Schick <bhim...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks. I'll take all of that under consideration. Way it is now, I'll > go for a 35-40 mile ride at 12.5 -13mph and when I get done my legs are > tired, but otherwise I feel fine. I believe I'll keep things that way for > now. > > On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> On 11/24/2016 10:51 AM, George Schick wrote: >> >> If you can control the intensity, that might be OK. There's still the >> noise issue, but I guess ear plugs could be worn. I'm basing the heart >> rate comment on the American Heart Assn's max rate/age chart. In the late >> 60's, it says that 155 bpm should be the max and a max of 132 for the >> target rate. I get it cranked up out on the road, but am cautious not to >> over do it. >> >> >> I think you are misunderstanding that chart. Max heart rate is not a >> "red line" you should not exceed lest your heart explode. Rather, it's a >> point where your heart "...'can’t eject blood effectively enough; where >> it’s not productive anymore,' says Dean Golich, head performance >> physiologist for Carmichael Training Systems. When this happens, >> self-preservation kicks in and you slow down." >> ( --http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-injuries/5-max- >> heartrate-training-myths-busted) Get up to your personal max heart >> rate (which can vary widely from that back of the envelope 220 minus age >> calculation estimation -- which is all it is) and you're going to feel like >> crap and stop. >> >> If you've got a cardiac condition or have had a heart attack and have >> sustained damage to your heart, that may not be true; but if that were the >> case for you I'm pretty sure you would have undoubtedly said something >> about it, rather than voicing a general age-related concern. >> >> In any event, in a spin class or on a bicycle, you control how hard >> you're going at it. As for noise, I'm sure it varies from class to class. >> There's nothing inherently noisy about spin bikes and there's no reason to >> have music so loud as to make you need to wear earplugs. This article >> http://fitfluential.com/2015/12/spin-class-101-how-to-ride-h >> itting-your-zones/ pretty much describes how it was when I did it - and >> if you're concerned about heart rates, note the comments about heart rate >> monitors (the article's sponsored by a heart rate mfg) and zones. >> >> >> One time, about 20 years ago, IIRC, I got off work on a mid-Summer day >> when daylight hours were at the max and chugged out a 40 miler at an >> average of 18 mph. My heart rate was still elevated when bedtime came and >> I had difficulty sleeping that night. >> >> >> If that's still true you might want to look into that. >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:42:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar >> wrote: >>> >>> 1) In spin class, *YOU* control the intensity level, no one else. 2) >>> You can have the same elevated heart rates during road cycling that you can >>> in spin class. 3) In your opinion, how old is "too damned old" to risk an >>> elevated heart rate? >>> >>> On 11/24/2016 10:22 AM, George Schick wrote: >>> >>> Well, I'm too damn old now to risk getting my heart rate up the the >>> level that spinning stuff requires. Plus, I can't handle loud noises, >>> music, crowds, etc. and from what I've seen and heard (mostly on TV) they >>> have the music jacked way up in those places. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 9:17:23 AM UTC-6, JimD wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> While I loathe indoor workout machines (rowing & cycling) I have >>>> friends who really enjoy spin classes. >>>> >>>> Some of them don’t ride bicycles out in the real world but they use >>>> these workouts to get and stay fit. >>>> >>>> They enjoy the social aspect of spin classes, some get wicked fit. >>>> >>>> Not a problem, >>>> -Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:20 AM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these >>>> people who go for these "spinning" classes? IOW, are they spinning at >>>> outrageous RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the get >>>> out on the road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable >>>> climatic conditions the bottom falls out of their performance? Or are they >>>> over the top when they transfer to the outdoors so they can knock your >>>> socks off? Just curious. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game- >>>>> thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/ >>>>> >>>>> Courtesy of you-know-who. >>>>> >>>>> Let's change that. 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