Re: [RBW] Fenders for Roadeo

['Michael Kashuba' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have aluminum fluted 63mm Velo Orange fenders on my orange 60 cm Appaloosa. Fit perfectly. No bending. Drilled one hole for added support/attachment to VO Campeur rear rack. Solid functional and handsome…… am considering mud flaps, but out here in Central Valley of California…… mud flaps…. Really?MJKSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 26, 2023, at 10:36 AM, BobW  wrote:Looking for thoughts on metal fenders for my Roadeo.  I believe the max tire size for fenders on a Roadeo is 32 or 33's???  So presuming a 45mm fender width works?  Ideally I would like to install metal fenders.  I have Berthouds on my Sam, and they are solid, work well, and look great.  Wondering if anyone has has a good experience for metal fenders on a Roadeo that  they can share??thanks!!Bob



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Re: [RBW] Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Berkeleyan]

I have VO fluted 52mm Zeppelin fenders on my 700x44 Compass tires 
(Snoqualmie Pass) mounted to Velocity Dyan rims. The tires measure 41mm 
when inflated to around 35psi (so delightful to ride). I like the fenders 
and the fitment. I'm using a RBW front fork, and the 52mm fenders had to be 
squished just a bit to fit, no way the 63mm would have fit there without 
Dremel tool cutting. What annoyed me was the front tire & fender would 
contact & chirp when I made quick tight turns, or stood on the pedals 
uphill. I've stopped the chirping by both spreading the fender just a bit 
wider and securely tightening the bolts that attach the stays.

I think if you go for a wider tire, you'll definitely want the 63mmm 
fenders. And know that the aluminum fenders will take careful fitting and 
adjusting, but will look beautiful.

- Andrew, Berkeley
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 12:47:10 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I’ll be curious to know where you wind up, both in terms of fender 
> selection and tire clearance. My Hunq has 2” Big Bens that are nearing end 
> of life and I’m thinking of replacing them with some 2.1” RH tires when the 
> time comes (probably the Antelope Pass, since my riding is 98% paved, but 
> the Fleecer Ridge just looks so much more Hunq-y). I currently have 50mm 
> SKS fenders that are cracked and chipped and are in need of replacement now 
> that the rains have returned. I’ve never used fenders other than SKS and I 
> don’t know that I have the patience to fiddle with an involved installation 
> such as I understand Honjos require. Last I looked, Riv suggests the P65 
> for all their fat tires (including 26” and 650b) which makes me concerned 
> that the radius isn’t optimized for 700c. I’ll have a look at VO though. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Johnny Burrell  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Jay Lonner]

I’ll be curious to know where you wind up, both in terms of fender selection 
and tire clearance. My Hunq has 2” Big Bens that are nearing end of life and 
I’m thinking of replacing them with some 2.1” RH tires when the time comes 
(probably the Antelope Pass, since my riding is 98% paved, but the Fleecer 
Ridge just looks so much more Hunq-y). I currently have 50mm SKS fenders that 
are cracked and chipped and are in need of replacement now that the rains have 
returned. I’ve never used fenders other than SKS and I don’t know that I have 
the patience to fiddle with an involved installation such as I understand 
Honjos require. Last I looked, Riv suggests the P65 for all their fat tires 
(including 26” and 650b) which makes me concerned that the radius isn’t 
optimized for 700c. I’ll have a look at VO though. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Johnny Burrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Winter is coming 
> 
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. My 
> fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. I 
> like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
> 
> Here's where I'm at... 
> Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for Californians 
> PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, but unsure 
> if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
> The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they look really 
> short (here is the riv link with pic) and... plastic
> Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a deciding 
> factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After typing all of 
> this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do folks here feel 
> about them? How's their longevity?
> 
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for train commute

[Patrick Moore]

"Sheesh"!

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:10 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Shees! "Their"!
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:09 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I suppose that I am the "Patrick" in question. If so: "Glad to help."
>> And, the fenders don't look half-bad.
>>
>> I do notice the cardinal sin of SKS, which is that *they're fenders are
>> so g**dd short! *Yours aren't as bad as the 700C X 65s that I
>> installed on the Matthews (with 700C X 60 mm tires measuring actual 60 mm
>> wide and almost 30" tall); those were so short that even had I installed
>> the rear on the front, it would have been too short. But the flap makes up
>> the difference in front, and on the rear, unless you ride in pelotons, you
>> don't need full coverage in the rear.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:12 PM Eric G  wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to go with SKS based on your recommendation, Patrick. The
>>> installation wasn’t so bad, but they could benefit from a bit more
>>> adjustment. Most importantly — they work!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for train commute

[Patrick Moore]

I suppose that I am the "Patrick" in question. If so: "Glad to help." And,
the fenders don't look half-bad.

I do notice the cardinal sin of SKS, which is that *they're fenders are so
g**dd short! *Yours aren't as bad as the 700C X 65s that I installed on
the Matthews (with 700C X 60 mm tires measuring actual 60 mm wide and
almost 30" tall); those were so short that even had I installed the rear on
the front, it would have been too short. But the flap makes up the
difference in front, and on the rear, unless you ride in pelotons, you
don't need full coverage in the rear.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:12 PM Eric G  wrote:

> I decided to go with SKS based on your recommendation, Patrick. The
> installation wasn’t so bad, but they could benefit from a bit more
> adjustment. Most importantly — they work!
>
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for train commute

[Patrick Moore]

Shees! "Their"!

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:09 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I suppose that I am the "Patrick" in question. If so: "Glad to help." And,
> the fenders don't look half-bad.
>
> I do notice the cardinal sin of SKS, which is that *they're fenders are
> so g**dd short! *Yours aren't as bad as the 700C X 65s that I
> installed on the Matthews (with 700C X 60 mm tires measuring actual 60 mm
> wide and almost 30" tall); those were so short that even had I installed
> the rear on the front, it would have been too short. But the flap makes up
> the difference in front, and on the rear, unless you ride in pelotons, you
> don't need full coverage in the rear.
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:12 PM Eric G  wrote:
>
>> I decided to go with SKS based on your recommendation, Patrick. The
>> installation wasn’t so bad, but they could benefit from a bit more
>> adjustment. Most importantly — they work!
>>
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for train commute

[Patrick Moore]

I've used all sorts of fenders, from Blumel to Zefal, even though I live in
a high desert region. I've dented metal fenders, Berthouds, Honjos, and VOs
-- the 2 pairs of VOs I've owned seemed to be made of slightly thinner
gauge aluminum, but I emphasize "seemed". Planet Bike and SKS fenders don't
dent. The downside is that their stay system is (IMO) far inferior to that
for the metal fenders. Me, if I were to choose fenders purely for
resistance to damage, I'd install PBs or SKSs and rig up a Honjo (etc.)
type of stay system.

Suggestion: Install PB or SKS fenders, but order 2 pairs of extra-thick
gauge stays (Honjo type) and "R" clips from Kelpie, and adapt the plastic
fenders to fit them; far stiffer than even Honjo and Berthoud stays.

I'd have chosen plastic fenders for my Matthews if I could have found some
big enough. As it is, I ordered aluminums from Kelpie, which are 2X the
gauge, I think, of the usual metal makes, and come with the extra thick
stays I mentioned. I daresay you can dent Kelpies, but it would be harder
to do so.

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:08 PM Eric G  wrote:

> The rainy season has started in SF and I am considering putting fenders on
> my Sam. I commute daily on the Caltrain where people stack their bikes side
> by side. Generally folks are not very considerate about how they place
> their bikes. Would fenders be easily broken or damaged in transit? Anyone
> have experience with this? Would certain brands be sturdier than others?
>
> Thanks!
> Eric G@rs
> SF
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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[hugh flynn]

Justin Oakland asks:

"Has anyone mounted the SKS B65 (
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories/products/sks-esge-commuter-ii-silver-fenders-b65-700c-29er)
on a AHH/Saluki/Hillborne/Country bike that takes 42ish tires? How do they
fit?"

Well, that depends on how you want to define "fit."

I have the SKS B65's mounted on an Appaloosa running 700 x 44 (Snoqualamine
Pass) tires. As far as side to side coverage is concerned, the B65's are
great! Ample coverage on both sides of the tire. Front to back though, they
are quite a bit...shorter...than one used to P45's or Longboard's might
expect. I get that plastic fenders are often shorter than their metal
counterparts, but man, these are short even by plastic fender standards.

Depending on how you look at it, that might be an advantage. Sure, they
provide less coverage from rain splatter, but on a bike that sees off-road
use, they are certainly less likely to pick-up sticks and other debris.

Hugh "Shawty" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:00 PM Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> Has anyone mounted the SKS B65 (
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories/products/sks-esge-commuter-ii-silver-fenders-b65-700c-29er)
> on a AHH/Saluki/Hillborne/Country bike that takes 42ish tires? How do they
> fit?
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[RichS]

Another take on fenders: sometimes you want or need fenders but sometimes you 
don’t. The advantage to a fender such as the SKS plastic models is they can be 
installed & removed without much difficulty. 

I have VO aluminum fenders on my Sam. Certainly some
work to mount but I love the look and they perform quite well. They are on for 
the long haul. Unlike the SKS fenders on my Atlantis:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Justin, Oakland]

Has anyone mounted the SKS B65 
(https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories/products/sks-esge-commuter-ii-silver-fenders-b65-700c-29er)
 
on a AHH/Saluki/Hillborne/Country bike that takes 42ish tires? How do they 
fit?

-J

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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Ron Mc]

and I forgot to add this gratuitous photo

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:03:06 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Steve, that's a Soma Wingman, and they started by cleaning up the idea of 
> using the CP brake arm - 
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/wingmann-light-mount . 
> For my standoff, I used a speargun tip-thread converter, 5/16"-24 to M6.  
> The whole thing casts a really nice light pattern across the top of the 
> tire, giving me a good light cone for pedaling before dawn.  
>
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 7:51:01 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> What is that arm?  I know some folks have used half of a centerpull brake 
>> as a lamp bracket, but that doesn't quite look like one.   In my case, I 
>> just used a piece of aluminum stock I'd gotten from Home Depot some years 
>> before that was left over from another project.  The Edelux lamp works fine 
>> when mounted to a typical front rack, and in my set-up is almost at that 
>> same height.  I can see where a lamp meant to be mounted to a handlebar 
>> such as yours might have to be mounted higher.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Ron Mc]

Steve, that's a Soma Wingman, and they started by cleaning up the idea of 
using the CP brake arm 
- https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/wingmann-light-mount . 
For my standoff, I used a speargun tip-thread converter, 5/16"-24 to M6.  
The whole thing casts a really nice light pattern across the top of the 
tire, giving me a good light cone for pedaling before dawn.  

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 7:51:01 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> What is that arm?  I know some folks have used half of a centerpull brake 
> as a lamp bracket, but that doesn't quite look like one.   In my case, I 
> just used a piece of aluminum stock I'd gotten from Home Depot some years 
> before that was left over from another project.  The Edelux lamp works fine 
> when mounted to a typical front rack, and in my set-up is almost at that 
> same height.  I can see where a lamp meant to be mounted to a handlebar 
> such as yours might have to be mounted higher.
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Steve Palincsar]

On 2/14/19 8:25 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

Steve, totally effective and totally sexy.



next to compare are our two functional uses of a Brit right-fork lamp 
bracket boss




What is that arm?  I know some folks have used half of a centerpull 
brake as a lamp bracket, but that doesn't quite look like one.   In my 
case, I just used a piece of aluminum stock I'd gotten from Home Depot 
some years before that was left over from another project.  The Edelux 
lamp works fine when mounted to a typical front rack, and in my set-up 
is almost at that same height.  I can see where a lamp meant to be 
mounted to a handlebar such as yours might have to be mounted higher.






On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 7:05:53 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:



On 2/13/19 11:40 PM, Ron Mc wrote:

Bill, those long front French-style fenders (Honjo) buffet badly
without the additional front rack attachment - to the point you
worry about them possibly contacting the tire at speed.



Let me amend that: "...without an additional front rack attachment
*/or an extra stay to stabilize the front of the fender/*" like this:



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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Ron Mc]

Steve, totally effective and totally sexy.  

 

next to compare are our two functional uses of a Brit right-fork lamp 
bracket boss

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 7:05:53 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 2/13/19 11:40 PM, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Bill, those long front French-style fenders (Honjo) buffet badly without 
> the additional front rack attachment - to the point you worry about them 
> possibly contacting the tire at speed.  
>
>
> Let me amend that: "...without an additional front rack attachment *or an 
> extra stay to stabilize the front of the fender*" like this:
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Steve Palincsar]

On 2/13/19 11:40 PM, Ron Mc wrote:
Bill, those long front French-style fenders (Honjo) buffet badly 
without the additional front rack attachment - to the point you worry 
about them possibly contacting the tire at speed.



Let me amend that: "...without an additional front rack attachment */or 
an extra stay to stabilize the front of the fender/*" like this:



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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Ron Mc]

Bill, those long front French-style fenders (Honjo) buffet badly without 
the additional front rack attachment - to the point you worry about them 
possibly contacting the tire at speed.  
Regards

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 8:57:35 PM UTC-6, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> ...
> Ron, 
>
> Yours looks beautiful.  Those are the kind of pictures that sometimes make 
> think I want to try.  While my setup did have some rattle noise up front, 
> that is something I think I can address.  The noise I’m wondering about in 
> particular is not actually noise the fender is making but the drivetrain 
> noise that the rear fender seems to pick up and amplify.   
> ...
> Bill

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Re: [RBW] Fenders

[Patrick Moore]

Bill: I've installed innumerable fenders of all kinds, from Blumels to
Zefals, plastic, plasticized aluminum, polycarbonate, steel, stainless
steel, and aluminum. Here's what I've found.

Once you've installed fenders a few times, it becomes relatively easy as
long as you don't have to reshape them --eg, recurve, or dimple to clear
calipers or fork legs or chainstays. But even all of that isn't too hard if
you go slow and methodical -- I don't, and messed up several nice expensive
metal fenders on the way to learning how to do it properly.

Fenders don't play nice with horizontal dropouts, though if you are using a
derailleur, it should be possible to set them up in a way that best fits
the tire if you use dropout screws to keep the axle always at the same
point in the dropouts. And it should be possible to do this while allowing
the wheel to come out of the dropouts easily.

For example, if you were to position your axle further forward, you'd get a
better fender line wrt the tire. Alternatively, if your stays are long
enough to allow this while still allowing easy wheel removal, you could
space the forward end of the fender out from the chainstay bridge by a
little bit.

I've managed to get decent, if not perfect chainline on my 2003 Road that
has very long dropouts, at least when the drivetrain is set in the cruising
gear; but the fenders still accommodate a 5-tooth cog differnence -- 17/19
and 22 flip side. One thing that lets me do this more easily is that, for
another reason altogether -- convenience in parking the bike and shoving it
into the back of a car -- I amputate my rear fenders so that they end just
above the rearmost part of the tire; ie, just short enough that I can back
the rear tire enthusiastically into a wall and miss the fender.

As to strength and quiet: poly carb (Planet Bike) and plastic/alum (SKS)
are IME every bit as strong as metal if not strong; certainly stronger than
my current VO hammered aluminums (tho' the VOs are perfectly adequate).
I've dented Honjos, Berthouds, and VOs, but never dented or cracked PB or
SKS.

And if properly installed, polycarb and SKSs are as quiet as metal; in
fact, while the present VOs don't rattle, they are considerably more noisy
when the tire kicks a piece of gravel around the inside of the fender. I
have used PB polycarbs and, presently, SKSs on my dirt road Matthews, and
apart from the SKS strut brackets crowding the 60mm+ tires and occasionally
buzzing lightly, they are quiet and certainly strong; there is about 2" of
toe overlap with the front, so that I often kick it in turns; no problems.

*I* would like to try Kelpie's custom, hand-beated titanium fenders on the
Matthews, but at $300 to $350, it's hard to justify them in a place that
gets an average of 9" citywide rain and snow per year. I ought to refashion
the fender brackets on the SKSs, tho' even these have not been a real
problem.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:23 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> I’ve ridden with fenders off and on going way back.  I’ve only used
> plastic fenders and never paid too much attention to the cosmetics of it
> all - just tried to get them on and running without tire rub.  Naturally,
> seeing all the beautiful pictures of bikes that show up here with nice
> metal fenders, or wood, I’ve wondered what it would be like to get some
> nice aluminum fenders installed instead of the SKS I have on my Atlantis.
> Not only might they look nice but I’ve read they don’t rattle as much so
> are quieter than plastic fenders.
>
> A few weeks ago, I bought an old Univega touring bike that had been
> customized. What caught my attention was the full dynamo hub lighting
> system.  I bought the bike for no other reason than to get the lighting
> system for my Atlantis.  Although the bike was old and the build overall
> did not look too recent, the lighting system seemed to be almost unused and
> I got the whole bike for less than what I could have built up my own new
> lighting system.
>
> So back to fenders.  In addition to the lights, this bike had Honjo
> fenders so here was my chance to see what some nice aluminum fenders are
> all about.  Unfortunately, the fenders are rather narrow so there was no
> way I could install them on my Atlantis with the 50mm tires I’m running.  I
> chose instead to install them on my old Trek 720 mostly just to see what
> they were all about.  I had read that metal fenders can be a challenge to
> install requiring patience.  I learned this is true.  What, I think, I also
> discovered is that these fenders wrap so much of the tire that removing and
> installing the rear wheel with the horizontal dropouts is a bit of a
> challenge and a nice fender line pretty much impossible (not that that was
> ever very important to me).  I have tentatively decided these things are
> made for bikes with vertical dropouts.
>
> What I have not been able to confirm is that metal fenders are quiet or
> even quieter than plastic fenders.  On my first ride, the front fend

Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for linking to the safety tabs.  I was unaware anything like that 
existed.  Any chance you could post a picture of them with your VO fenders?

I like fenders on any bike that might get caught out in the rain, and have 
VO fenders on several bikes.  I've sometimes pondered the negative safety 
aspects, but have kept living on the edge!  At one point I was gonna try 
Riv's plastic fenders, but they're only 45mm wide.  On a Sam with 38mm 
tires I decided I'd rather have VO's 52mm Zeppelins without the release 
than have Riv's 45mm fenders with them.  If I could have the best of both 
worlds . . .

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:48:29 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Portland Design Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my 
> metal VO fenders and they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub 
> screw for the stay length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect 
> fender line.
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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Patrick Moore]

I don't ride often in the rain, but I do occasionally ride in very heavy (=
SW downpour) rain and let me tell you, even when riding through 6" of
flowing water, fenders **do** help keep you dry. They also keep the bike
much cleaner.

Do fenders make riding more risky, particularly when there is a great deal
of debris on the road? Yes, but they don't hugely increase the risk, IMO.
When there is a great deal of debris on the road, there is also more risk
of getting a stick in the spokes; or in the derailleur, assuming you use
such an effete thing. And, you can set fenders up to prevent wheel jamming:
for plastic fenders, breakwaway tabs; or by attaching the front fender
halfway up the fork legs.

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for over a hundred years without epidemics of injuries. In most places,
fenders are stock on bicycles.

Sweat: Rain capes do work. They do blow about, but I've ridden without
undue comfort in capes in huge drenchers with huge and gusty winds. I get
soaked from neck up and from knees down, but in between is cool and dry, at
least if you use a thinner nylon cape. I found the Carradice Ducksback too
heavy, and that did make me sweat.

I use a thin and cheap Campmore, weighted down in back with 2 or 3 packets
of washers attached to the lower rear skirt. (It's been a while since I
used the cape, and it's stuffed into its sack, and I don't want to pull it
out; sufficient to say that 2 or 3 stacks of 2 or 3 sufficiently large
washers attached by rubber band or any other method you prefer do keep the
rear skirt in place and let you dispense with the annoying leg straps and
waist ties.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:42 AM, lum gim fong 
wrote:

> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year,
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Philip Kim]

Thanks for sharing these Tim. Didn't know PDW had something thats nice and 
sleek like these.

Lum, I don't do any brevets or anything but commute year round.

For pants I used Makers & Riders 3 season pants, which are completely 
waterproof but super breathable. Not sure if they make them anymore but it 
wouldn't hurt to ask if they have something equivalent to that.

For summers it's a bit harder, I wear thicker nylon waterproof shorts like 
Sugoi or something. I ride wool socks and have gortex shoes. I try to wear 
the Makers & Riders pants when I can,  so the  rain doesn't drip down into 
my shoes.

I've tried to use waterproof socks, but have yet to find any that are also 
breathable.


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:48:29 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I had a stick jam in my rear fender stays. I skidded to a stop safely. The 
> fender (SKS P45) accordioned under the brake bridge, but nothing besides 
> the fender was damaged.
>
> Since then, I use a safety tab on the rear as well as the front fender 
> stays.
> Riv sells the SKS tab.
> For metal fenders with round stays (Honjo, Berthoud, VO, PDW), Portland 
> Design Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my metal VO 
> fenders and they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub screw 
> for the stay length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect fender 
> line.
>
>
> My points are: a rear fender jam isn't as catastrophic as a front jam. 
>  But, both can be  mitigated with safety tabs at the stay ends.
>
>
> --Tim; with full fenders on 3 bikes in "sticky" Iowa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 1:42 AM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Tim Gavin]

I had a stick jam in my rear fender stays. I skidded to a stop safely. The 
fender (SKS P45) accordioned under the brake bridge, but nothing besides the 
fender was damaged.

Since then, I use a safety tab on the rear as well as the front fender stays.
Riv sells the SKS tab.
For metal fenders with round stays (Honjo, Berthoud, VO, PDW), Portland Design 
Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my metal VO fenders and 
they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub screw for the stay 
length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect fender line.


My points are: a rear fender jam isn't as catastrophic as a front jam.  But, 
both can be  mitigated with safety tabs at the stay ends.


--Tim; with full fenders on 3 bikes in "sticky" Iowa

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2017, at 1:42 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:
> 
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on the 
> shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and sometimes I 
> wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
> 
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
> 
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
> 
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
> 
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, in 
> same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole ride 
> and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
> 
> How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?
> 
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
> 
> Rethinking rethinking.
> 
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
> 
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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

It's also overhead clearance, and that's where most people fall short.  
Insufficient width means you don't have good coverage. Insufficient 
overhead clearance means you can get a stick or a stone caught in 
there.  But yes, 45 is generally the right width for 32mm tires.



On 04/18/2017 06:54 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:

Steve
Thnks for the link,  On Fender Size, he states, "Generally, fenders 
should be about 40% wider than your tire"

I have 32mm and 40% wider = 44.8mm or 45m.  I use the 45mm wide SKS P45's
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
-Original Message-
From: Steve Palincsar 
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Sent: Tue, Apr 18, 2017 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fenders-for-different-tire-sizes/ 
sums up their current thinking very well.


On 04/18/2017 06:13 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 7:22:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar
wrote:

BQ has changed its recommendation from 1-1.5 cm
to 2cm clearance.

Steve

Is the 2cm you quote,  (Fender Width)  -  (Tire Width), in other
words the total clearance.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[John Hawrylak]

Steve
 
Thnks for the link,  On Fender Size, he states,   "Generally, fenders should be 
about 40% wider than your tire"
 
I have 32mm and 40% wider = 44.8mm or 45m.  I use the 45mm wide SKS P45's
 
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 
 
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From: Steve Palincsar 
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Sent: Tue, Apr 18, 2017 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders



https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fenders-for-different-tire-sizes/ 
   sums up their current thinking very well.



On 04/18/2017 06:13 PM, John Hawrylak  wrote:


  
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 7:22:57 AM UTC-4,Steve Palincsar wrote:   
 
BQ  has changed its recommendation from 1-1.5 cm 
  to 2cm clearance. 


 

Steve


Is the 2cm you quote,  (Fender Width)  -  (Tire Width), in  other words 
the total clearance.




John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

  


  
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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fenders-for-different-tire-sizes/ 
sums up their current thinking very well.



On 04/18/2017 06:13 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 7:22:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

BQ has changed its recommendation from 1-1.5 cm
to 2cm clearance.

Steve

Is the 2cm you quote,  (Fender Width)  -  (Tire Width), in other words 
the total clearance.


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ



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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[John Hawrylak]

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 7:22:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> BQ has changed its recommendation from 1-1.5 cm 
> to 2cm clearance.
>
 

> Steve
>
Is the 2cm you quote,  (Fender Width)  -  (Tire Width), in other words the 
total clearance.

John Hawrylak
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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

Perhaps there's a mismatch between the brake and the lever you are using.


On 04/18/2017 04:14 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
really? i feel like they bottom out where about 3/4ths of the way 
through the lever pull. only tension adjuster on the front cable 
hanger. i'll look at it again today.


On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

If you can't unhook the straddle cable you have them set too
tight!   Do you have a tension adjuster anywhere on the cable run?


On 04/18/2017 03:59 PM, Philip Kim wrote:

i have mine set to engage mid-way for my brake levers, and
there's not enough give to pull the straddle cable out. maybe you
have stronger fingers than i do.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar
wrote:


On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
> just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release
to make it
> easier to pull tires in and out without deflating.


Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the
arms open out
wide.  Just like Mafac Racers.



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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, lconley wrote:

I would say the opposite - if you can unhook them, they are too loose.


Come on - don't be silly - that's how they are designed and meant to be 
used.   Why would they do that if you were meant to have the whole thing 
so tight you couldn't work the quick release mechanism?




On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

If you can't unhook the straddle cable you have them set too
tight!   Do you have a tension adjuster anywhere on the cable run?


On 04/18/2017 03:59 PM, Philip Kim wrote:

i have mine set to engage mid-way for my brake levers, and
there's not enough give to pull the straddle cable out. maybe you
have stronger fingers than i do.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar
wrote:


On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
> just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release
to make it
> easier to pull tires in and out without deflating.


Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the
arms open out
wide.  Just like Mafac Racers.



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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[lconley]

I would say the opposite - if you can unhook them, they are too loose. 
Dia-Compe still makes a front quick release hanger and NOS Dia-Compe, 
Weinmann and Shimano front and rear quick release hangers are available on 
E-bay. The TRP levers have a quick release built in as well as some old 
Weinmann and Dia-Compe models, still available NOS. I still think the Mafac 
Competition center pulls have the best center pull quick release - built 
into the straddle cable.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> If you can't unhook the straddle cable you have them set too tight!   Do 
> you have a tension adjuster anywhere on the cable run?  
>
> On 04/18/2017 03:59 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> i have mine set to engage mid-way for my brake levers, and there's not 
> enough give to pull the straddle cable out. maybe you have stronger fingers 
> than i do.
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>> On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote: 
>> > just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release to make it 
>> > easier to pull tires in and out without deflating. 
>>
>>
>> Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the arms open out 
>> wide.  Just like Mafac Racers. 
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Philip Kim]

really? i feel like they bottom out where about 3/4ths of the way through 
the lever pull. only tension adjuster on the front cable hanger. i'll look 
at it again today.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> If you can't unhook the straddle cable you have them set too tight!   Do 
> you have a tension adjuster anywhere on the cable run?  
>
> On 04/18/2017 03:59 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> i have mine set to engage mid-way for my brake levers, and there's not 
> enough give to pull the straddle cable out. maybe you have stronger fingers 
> than i do.
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>> On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote: 
>> > just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release to make it 
>> > easier to pull tires in and out without deflating. 
>>
>>
>> Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the arms open out 
>> wide.  Just like Mafac Racers. 
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

If you can't unhook the straddle cable you have them set too tight!   Do 
you have a tension adjuster anywhere on the cable run?



On 04/18/2017 03:59 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
i have mine set to engage mid-way for my brake levers, and there's not 
enough give to pull the straddle cable out. maybe you have stronger 
fingers than i do.


On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
> just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release to
make it
> easier to pull tires in and out without deflating.


Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the arms
open out
wide.  Just like Mafac Racers.



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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Philip Kim]

i have mine set to engage mid-way for my brake levers, and there's not 
enough give to pull the straddle cable out. maybe you have stronger fingers 
than i do.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote: 
> > just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release to make it 
> > easier to pull tires in and out without deflating. 
>
>
> Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the arms open out 
> wide.  Just like Mafac Racers. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/18/2017 10:24 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release to make it 
easier to pull tires in and out without deflating.



Of course they do.  You unhook the straddle cable and the arms open out 
wide.  Just like Mafac Racers.




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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Philip Kim]

just as tim said, paul racers do not have a quick release to make it easier 
to pull tires in and out without deflating. however, there are brake levers 
with a quick release function. IME, the QR function on brake levers doesn't 
do much unless you replace the stock koolstop thinline v-brakes with 
catridge kool stop pads as tim mentioned.

IMO the paul racers are worth it on the Sam. they provide more tire 
clearance than the tektro 559s and offer far better braking and modulation 
than the 559's. I was able to tackle a bit more rooty and rocky trails with 
Pauls that i didn't have the confidence with the tektros doing, YMMV. my 
custom has brazed on paul racers, and it is even better.

When I had a cheviot with tektro 559's w/ kool stop salmon pads, even 
switching out the front brake for paul racers did wonders.

On the 650b version i had, i fit 42s and fenders comfortably - Paselas and 
P50 SKS fenders with sheldon fender nut.

deflating the tire is not really an issue. most likely if i'm changing out 
a wheel on the trail is because i have a flat, in which case the tire is 
already deflated, or when i'm doing work on the bike at home which i have a 
floor pump.


On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 9:44:29 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Or I could learn to live with the bent fender nose. I suspect opening the 
> tektro brake has contributed to the bend. Once I have the Wald 137 with bag 
> back on the bike I won't see the fender from the cockpit. That said I have 
> been pining for a set of those Paul Racers. Do you find they allow for a 
> little easier wheel removal with wider tires? I'll try spending more time 
> on this tonight. Thanks for everyone's help. I really appreciate all of you!

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Tim Gavin]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Broccoli Cog  wrote:

> That said I have been pining for a set of those Paul Racers. Do you find
> they allow for a little easier wheel removal with wider tires?



Actually, no, Paul Racers do not open as wide as R559s.  The curved arm
comes to rest on the centerpull post, and that's all the opening you get.
I have to force my 38 mm Pari-Motos through if they're fully inflated.
Narrow "thinline" Koolstop pads give you a little more wiggle room for the
tire, but they're long enough to hit the fork.
Koolstop "cross" pads are short enough to clear the fork, but they're
thicker so it's probably a wash.

I don't know if other decent centerpulls, like MAFAC Raids or Dia-Compes
open wider.  They do have better fender clearance than R559s.


If you attach the fender to the boss on the bottom of the Mark's rack, I
doubt the R559 will be able to bend the nose as easily.
Use a screw with a counter-sunk head to minimize intrusion under the
fender.  My rack is mounted low enough that I used a screw from a SPD
cleat, it fits perfectly and is nearly flush on the inside.

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Howard Hatten]

I also had the same problem on my Atlantis using the SKS fender. I would get 
everything adjusted perfect, hit the road and the front would migrate over and 
start the annoying rubbing. 
I fixed it using iamkeith's method,

1) As others mentioned and assuming there is a threaded boss on the underside 
of the Mark's rack, use that to suck the fender upward and stabilize. But do 
this LAST, after you have the rest as good as possible, because you have to 
drill a hole in a precise location.

I didn't screw to the tab, I positioned the fender where I wanted it and 
drilled 2 small holes on either side of the tab. A zip tie holds the fender up 
against the tab now. 2 years no movement 

Howard
Livonia Mi 

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Or I could learn to live with the bent fender nose. I suspect opening the 
tektro brake has contributed to the bend. Once I have the Wald 137 with bag 
back on the bike I won't see the fender from the cockpit. That said I have been 
pining for a set of those Paul Racers. Do you find they allow for a little 
easier wheel removal with wider tires? I'll try spending more time on this 
tonight. Thanks for everyone's help. I really appreciate all of you!

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, you would have a hard time fitting P50 fenders under Tektro R559
sidepull calipers.  R559's will even intrude on P45 fenders and will bend
the nose of the fender into the tire when the Q/R is opened.

A Sheldon nut may help you, or may not.  It would rotate the fender towards
the rear, which would reduce the length of the nose (and make the mudflap
closer to the ground).  But I think that there still would be enough nose
for the R559 to bend it.

Drilling a hole and fixing the nose of the fender to the Mark's rack will
definitely make it more secure and resistant to the fender-bending nature
of the R559.

I swapped the R559's out for centerpull brakes (I used Paul Racers I found
on this list) which have much better fender clearance.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Broccoli Cog  wrote:

> The Rivendell web store recommended the P45 for tires up to 40mm. I
> realize I am maxing out with the tires I ride so the clearance is going to
> be tight. I would have purchased the P50 but I didn't think they would
> clear the brake. The Sam pictured on the Riv website with the P50 mounted
> has canti brakes. I do have the quick release on the stays to mitigate any
> danger of sticks getting caught.
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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

The Rivendell web store recommended the P45 for tires up to 40mm. I realize I 
am maxing out with the tires I ride so the clearance is going to be tight. I 
would have purchased the P50 but I didn't think they would clear the brake. The 
Sam pictured on the Riv website with the P50 mounted has canti brakes. I do 
have the quick release on the stays to mitigate any danger of sticks getting 
caught.

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Garth]

I was wondering the same as Steve , rubber "cat hair whiskers" on those tires ? 
!!  I agree that the nubs should never come close to rubbing. Contibuting also 
is a p45 fender with a 40mm tire. I don't know the actual width of either but 
it sounds like it's pretty close in width which also leaves less room for 
lateral variarances of the fender, wheel and tire. As mentioned a P50 would be 
great, but I know, yet another fender to buy ..

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Steve Palincsar]

However, the fact that you have so little clearance between the tire and 
the fender should give you pause.  Sticks getting caught in fenders is a 
serious business and a real safety hazard, and it's mainly caused by 
insufficient clearance.  BQ has changed its recommendation from 1-1.5 cm 
to 2cm clearance.  Those would have to be some damn serious whiskers to 
extend 2cm.



On 04/18/2017 02:37 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Short of getting wider fenders, I would just put it back on the road and go for 
a ride. The little nubbies were probably rubbing before and you didn't hear it 
over road and wind noise.



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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

[adam leibow]

Pudge, why are they skeptical?? is it a fender efficacy question or a tire 
clearance one?

On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 7:20:39 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> On my Atlantis, I use the 60mm Berthouds over Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 
> nominal 50mm that measure pretty true.  I think there's adequate clearance 
> (especially because the fender profile is pretty flat -- that is, the cross 
> section arc is pretty flat), but others on the list with whom I've ridden 
> and whose judgment I respect are more skeptical (Minh from DC, for one). 
> But I and others ridden that bike a lot on roads and trails and have never 
> had an issue with that fender/tire combo.  There are pics on my 
> Flickrstream that give some indication of the clearance, in this album:  
> https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157624427413755
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Reed Kennedy > 
> wrote:
>
> The widest fenders I'm aware of are these 60mm from Berthoud: 
>
> http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-fenders-700c-x-60mm/
> And these 63mm from VO:
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html
>
> Both listings say they should work with 50mm tires. 
>
> I've not used either of these specific fenders, but I have installed 
> numerous pairs of VO's other fenders and have been happy with them.
>
> That said, if I were putting them on a bike that didn't have to go on a 
> roof rack I'd probably go with the Berthouds. They look a bit longer, and 
> people speak highly of the flattened stays.
>
> Would love to hear how they work out if you try 'em! My 700c Hunq is 
> currently my only fenderless bike...
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, adam leibow  > wrote:
>
>> Hello,  
>> I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender 
>> options before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like 
>> one rule of thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the 
>> tire size. So, in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this 
>> rule. What options are available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge 
>> options. I want something nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud. 
>>
>> 700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 
>> 650b specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

[Jon BALER]

I have the Planet Bike Cascadia ALX 29 Medium fenders in 65mm width on my 
Salsa Marrakesh.  These are their newer fenders, which are made from 
Aluminum.   I also have the Velo Orange fenders, but find these easier to 
install.

http://ecom1.planetbike.com/ALX29Medium.html

On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 10:20:39 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> On my Atlantis, I use the 60mm Berthouds over Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 
> nominal 50mm that measure pretty true.  I think there's adequate clearance 
> (especially because the fender profile is pretty flat -- that is, the cross 
> section arc is pretty flat), but others on the list with whom I've ridden 
> and whose judgment I respect are more skeptical (Minh from DC, for one). 
> But I and others ridden that bike a lot on roads and trails and have never 
> had an issue with that fender/tire combo.  There are pics on my 
> Flickrstream that give some indication of the clearance, in this album:  
> https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157624427413755
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Reed Kennedy > 
> wrote:
>
> The widest fenders I'm aware of are these 60mm from Berthoud: 
>
> http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-fenders-700c-x-60mm/
> And these 63mm from VO:
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html
>
> Both listings say they should work with 50mm tires. 
>
> I've not used either of these specific fenders, but I have installed 
> numerous pairs of VO's other fenders and have been happy with them.
>
> That said, if I were putting them on a bike that didn't have to go on a 
> roof rack I'd probably go with the Berthouds. They look a bit longer, and 
> people speak highly of the flattened stays.
>
> Would love to hear how they work out if you try 'em! My 700c Hunq is 
> currently my only fenderless bike...
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, adam leibow  > wrote:
>
>> Hello,  
>> I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender 
>> options before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like 
>> one rule of thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the 
>> tire size. So, in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this 
>> rule. What options are available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge 
>> options. I want something nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud. 
>>
>> 700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 
>> 650b specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

On my Atlantis, I use the 60mm Berthouds over Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 
nominal 50mm that measure pretty true.  I think there's adequate clearance 
(especially because the fender profile is pretty flat -- that is, the cross 
section arc is pretty flat), but others on the list with whom I've ridden and 
whose judgment I respect are more skeptical (Minh from DC, for one). But I and 
others ridden that bike a lot on roads and trails and have never had an issue 
with that fender/tire combo.  There are pics on my Flickrstream that give some 
indication of the clearance, in this album:  
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157624427413755

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Reed Kennedy 
mailto:r...@notfine.com>> wrote:

The widest fenders I'm aware of are these 60mm from Berthoud:
http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-fenders-700c-x-60mm/
And these 63mm from VO:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html

Both listings say they should work with 50mm tires.

I've not used either of these specific fenders, but I have installed numerous 
pairs of VO's other fenders and have been happy with them.

That said, if I were putting them on a bike that didn't have to go on a roof 
rack I'd probably go with the Berthouds. They look a bit longer, and people 
speak highly of the flattened stays.

Would love to hear how they work out if you try 'em! My 700c Hunq is currently 
my only fenderless bike...


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, adam leibow 
mailto:a...@lightvision.net>> wrote:
Hello,
I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender options 
before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like one rule of 
thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the tire size. So, 
in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this rule. What options are 
available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge options. I want something 
nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud.

700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 650b 
specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!


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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

[Patrick Shea]

I have a set of VO 63mm silver fenders I'd sell cheap. I used them with
Smart Sams 2.1 w/o issues. Very solid mounts.

Cheers,
Patrick

On Thursday, November 10, 2016, adam leibow  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender
> options before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like
> one rule of thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the
> tire size. So, in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this
> rule. What options are available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge
> options. I want something nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud.
>
> 700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 650b
> specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

[adam leibow]

thank you! if i had known there was a 60mm option from GB, i'd have just 
gotten those. just placed the order. thanks!

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 1:44:36 PM UTC-8, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> The widest fenders I'm aware of are these 60mm from Berthoud:
>
> http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-fenders-700c-x-60mm/
> And these 63mm from VO:
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html
>
> Both listings say they should work with 50mm tires. 
>
> I've not used either of these specific fenders, but I have installed 
> numerous pairs of VO's other fenders and have been happy with them.
>
> That said, if I were putting them on a bike that didn't have to go on a 
> roof rack I'd probably go with the Berthouds. They look a bit longer, and 
> people speak highly of the flattened stays.
>
> Would love to hear how they work out if you try 'em! My 700c Hunq is 
> currently my only fenderless bike...
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, adam leibow  > wrote:
>
>> Hello, 
>> I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender 
>> options before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like 
>> one rule of thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the 
>> tire size. So, in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this 
>> rule. What options are available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge 
>> options. I want something nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud. 
>>
>> 700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 
>> 650b specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

[Reed Kennedy]

The widest fenders I'm aware of are these 60mm from Berthoud:
http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-fenders-700c-x-60mm/
And these 63mm from VO:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html

Both listings say they should work with 50mm tires.

I've not used either of these specific fenders, but I have installed
numerous pairs of VO's other fenders and have been happy with them.

That said, if I were putting them on a bike that didn't have to go on a
roof rack I'd probably go with the Berthouds. They look a bit longer, and
people speak highly of the flattened stays.

Would love to hear how they work out if you try 'em! My 700c Hunq is
currently my only fenderless bike...


Best,
Reed

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> Hello,
> I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender
> options before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like
> one rule of thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the
> tire size. So, in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this
> rule. What options are available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge
> options. I want something nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud.
>
> 700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 650b
> specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!
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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[René Sterental]

Thank you. Don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or need
more specific guidance.

René

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Thanks René,
>
> Very much appreciated... I knew that at least 50's would be needed but I
> was unsure of clearance through the brakes.  I think the plan at the moment
> will be to go with the r559's I have (with 700x50 fenders) but change to at
> least a front center pull once I get settled.  I am in the middle of a long
> distance move currently so real bike time is not possible.
>
> Your bikes come out beautifully by the way!  Once I have sufficient time,
> I want to study your pictures and comments more on the rear center pull
> mount.  It looks perfect!  And thanks for trying different options and
> letting people know what you found.  It is most helpful...
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 5:46:11 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>>
>> For those tires you'll need 50mm metal fenders, either steel Berthouds,
>> aluminum Honjos or any other brand. They will fit with the Tektro brakes,
>> but when opening the brake to remove the wheel, the brake will push down on
>> the fender. You might also lose a bit of clearance with those. Switching to
>> a Paul Centerpull or the Dia-Compe 750 on the front will help. On the rear
>> you won't get any extra clearance by switching.
>>
>> BTW, the Paul centerpul is wider than the Dia-Compe, but both will clear
>> the 50mm metal fenders. I like the Paul's better after comparing both
>> directly. I also went with a rear Paul mounted in reverse, just because I
>> wanted both brakes to be the same. Previously on my Betty, I ran the rear
>> Tektro/Silver brake.
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Sincere apologies for this question, as I think I must have missed it in
>>> previous threads...
>>>
>>> What metal fenders (Tanaka, Berthoud, Honjo, VO, ???) can be used for
>>> the most possible clearance using the r559 brakes, front and rear, on a
>>> 60cm Cheviot?  I am planning on using 700x40 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and
>>> got lost in the potential (metal) options.  I know the DC 750 or the Paul
>>> center pulls would help, certainly on the front, but am wondering if there
>>> is a chance anything will work for me with the r559's that I have.
>>>
>>> I would definitely like to go with metal/stainless fenders but will do
>>> what I have to until I can get into full project/experiment mode.
>>>
>>> Again, sorry if this has been asked and answered!  But any help would
>>> definitely be appreciated...
>>>
>>> Bob
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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks René,

Very much appreciated... I knew that at least 50's would be needed but I 
was unsure of clearance through the brakes.  I think the plan at the moment 
will be to go with the r559's I have (with 700x50 fenders) but change to at 
least a front center pull once I get settled.  I am in the middle of a long 
distance move currently so real bike time is not possible.

Your bikes come out beautifully by the way!  Once I have sufficient time, I 
want to study your pictures and comments more on the rear center pull 
mount.  It looks perfect!  And thanks for trying different options and 
letting people know what you found.  It is most helpful...

Bob
 

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 5:46:11 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>
> For those tires you'll need 50mm metal fenders, either steel Berthouds, 
> aluminum Honjos or any other brand. They will fit with the Tektro brakes, 
> but when opening the brake to remove the wheel, the brake will push down on 
> the fender. You might also lose a bit of clearance with those. Switching to 
> a Paul Centerpull or the Dia-Compe 750 on the front will help. On the rear 
> you won't get any extra clearance by switching.
>
> BTW, the Paul centerpul is wider than the Dia-Compe, but both will clear 
> the 50mm metal fenders. I like the Paul's better after comparing both 
> directly. I also went with a rear Paul mounted in reverse, just because I 
> wanted both brakes to be the same. Previously on my Betty, I ran the rear 
> Tektro/Silver brake.
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Bob Lovejoy  > wrote:
>
>> All, 
>>
>> Sincere apologies for this question, as I think I must have missed it in 
>> previous threads...  
>>
>> What metal fenders (Tanaka, Berthoud, Honjo, VO, ???) can be used for the 
>> most possible clearance using the r559 brakes, front and rear, on a 60cm 
>> Cheviot?  I am planning on using 700x40 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and got 
>> lost in the potential (metal) options.  I know the DC 750 or the Paul 
>> center pulls would help, certainly on the front, but am wondering if there 
>> is a chance anything will work for me with the r559's that I have.
>>
>> I would definitely like to go with metal/stainless fenders but will do 
>> what I have to until I can get into full project/experiment mode.
>>
>> Again, sorry if this has been asked and answered!  But any help would 
>> definitely be appreciated...
>>
>> Bob
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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[René Sterental]

For those tires you'll need 50mm metal fenders, either steel Berthouds,
aluminum Honjos or any other brand. They will fit with the Tektro brakes,
but when opening the brake to remove the wheel, the brake will push down on
the fender. You might also lose a bit of clearance with those. Switching to
a Paul Centerpull or the Dia-Compe 750 on the front will help. On the rear
you won't get any extra clearance by switching.

BTW, the Paul centerpul is wider than the Dia-Compe, but both will clear
the 50mm metal fenders. I like the Paul's better after comparing both
directly. I also went with a rear Paul mounted in reverse, just because I
wanted both brakes to be the same. Previously on my Betty, I ran the rear
Tektro/Silver brake.

René

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> All,
>
> Sincere apologies for this question, as I think I must have missed it in
> previous threads...
>
> What metal fenders (Tanaka, Berthoud, Honjo, VO, ???) can be used for the
> most possible clearance using the r559 brakes, front and rear, on a 60cm
> Cheviot?  I am planning on using 700x40 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and got
> lost in the potential (metal) options.  I know the DC 750 or the Paul
> center pulls would help, certainly on the front, but am wondering if there
> is a chance anything will work for me with the r559's that I have.
>
> I would definitely like to go with metal/stainless fenders but will do
> what I have to until I can get into full project/experiment mode.
>
> Again, sorry if this has been asked and answered!  But any help would
> definitely be appreciated...
>
> Bob
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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[Bob Lovejoy]

All, 

Sincere apologies for this question, as I think I must have missed it in 
previous threads...  

What metal fenders (Tanaka, Berthoud, Honjo, VO, ???) can be used for the 
most possible clearance using the r559 brakes, front and rear, on a 60cm 
Cheviot?  I am planning on using 700x40 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and got 
lost in the potential (metal) options.  I know the DC 750 or the Paul 
center pulls would help, certainly on the front, but am wondering if there 
is a chance anything will work for me with the r559's that I have.

I would definitely like to go with metal/stainless fenders but will do what 
I have to until I can get into full project/experiment mode.

Again, sorry if this has been asked and answered!  But any help would 
definitely be appreciated...

Bob

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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[René Sterental]

I agree. A Cheviot without fenders (metal in my case) is like a...
something's missing!

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:23:02 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice fender line. And what? No front load?
>>
>> I have front and rear racks with a basket on the front of my Sam.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:23:02 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Nice fender line. And what? No front load?
>
> I have front and rear racks with a basket on the front of my Sam.
>
I'm just going to keep the Cheviot to a minimum with acessories  and just a 
Nitto Long Boy rack on the back.

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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[Lungimsam]

Kudos on the fender nut. Only way to go, unless your brake bridge is drilled 
for a fender.

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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[Patrick Moore]

Nice fender line. And what? No front load?

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
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> Thanks to Clayton and others here for their fender installation set up
> suggestions.
> I changed out the 559 front side pull and installed a Dia Comp 750 center
> pull to get more P50 Fender/Tire clearance up front.
> The rear 559 has more clearance so I left it alone. IMO the 60 cm Cheviot
> looks a bit gangly and naked without fenders.
> No scrapping sounds from leaves and pebbles like my Sam with P45s .
> Pics attached .
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Re: [RBW] Fenders in Summer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/28/2015 07:51 PM, Doug Williams wrote:
I was out on my early morning ride today from 5:15-7:00. I take the 
extra long route to work by looping around Lake Natoma. My work 
commute would otherwise be only 5 miles. But anyway...


I take many side dirt paths to lose the MCRB racers zipping around the 
American River Bike Trail on their skinny tires. I'm pretty much all 
alone on the dirt. Occasionally I see a runner but bikes are very 
rare. Horses use these trails often but nobody has their horse out on 
the trails that early in the morning. Still...the horses leave 
evidence of their passing. Which brings me back to my Subject Line.


Yes, it is nice to have fenders in summer.



Especially so in the rain, but also any time the "evidence" is fresh.
I often ride  in an area where Amish and Mennonites travel in 
horse-drawn buggies.



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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 650b x 48mm Tires.

[Tim Gavin]

SKS have the least obtrusive hardware, so they will maximize clearance compared 
to most.

The P65 will clear a 559 Super Moto, which has the same diameter as 584x48.

> On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:49 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
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> Looking to add fenders to my Redwood.
> What fenders would be recommended for tires in the 650b x 48cm range?
> Stainless steel, aluminum, or SKS plastic?
> David
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 650b x 48mm Tires.

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Aluminum are lighter (650B X 50 Honjos are about 1 lb; Berthoud dittos in
ss are 1.5 lb; haven't weighed equivalent PBs), but if the bike is going to
see rough use I personally would choose ss or plastic. I've got PB 60s on
the Fargo and they stand up to banging and pressure; and they're almost as
quiet (not quite) as metal ones. Metal ones tend to dent, IME.

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> Looking to add fenders to my Redwood.
> What fenders would be recommended for tires in the 650b x 48cm range?
> Stainless steel, aluminum, or SKS plastic?
> David
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for the 650b Schwalbe Big Bens

[Jim Bronson]

Isn't it the big rubbers that usually cover something rather than the other
way around?
On Sep 29, 2014 10:24 PM, "Meade Anderson"  wrote:

> Has anybody tired a fender to cover these rubber critters?  The tires are
> big as I just mounted one for testing purposes and needless to say they
> ain't going to roll with my current Honjo's.  I was thinking maybe one of
> the Planet Bike fenders would work but am welcoming any experience or
> insight into covering these big rubbers...
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for the 650b Schwalbe Big Bens

[Mike Williams]

The p65 that Riv sells should definitely cover them

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> On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Meade Anderson  wrote:
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> Has anybody tired a fender to cover these rubber critters?  The tires are big 
> as I just mounted one for testing purposes and needless to say they ain't 
> going to roll with my current Honjo's.  I was thinking maybe one of the 
> Planet Bike fenders would work but am welcoming any experience or insight 
> into covering these big rubbers...
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: [RBW] Fenders good or bad for aerodynamics?

[Patrick Moore]

IIRC -- Steve P, you probably recall -- BQ tested fenders in a wind tunnel
and found they help; and the article pointed out that road racing
motorcycles sport fenders.

I can tell you what slows you down in a strong headwind: very tall, very
fat, very knobby tires! I should install a miniscule fender for'ard of my
fork crown on the Fargo for this purpose.


On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Michael  wrote:

> I am sure that fender functional benefits far outweigh any aero deficits.
>
> But the thought crossed my mind that my front fender probably acts like a
> hood scoop.
>
> Was wondering if anyone knows how bad, if at all fenders effect
> aerodynamics on a bike.
>
> Maybe front fender line matters. For instance, my front fender's front
> end shoots up and away from the tire.
> Some bikes have really long front fenders that bend down along the front
> curve of the tire, maybe letting less airflow into the fender "vault", for
> lack of a better term.
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for the 650b Big Ben tire

[Patrick Moore]

I used both Planet Bike Cascadia fenders and SKS 60 mm fenders with 60 mm
Big Apples (the PBs with 700C BAs, the SKSes with 559s). Both were a wee
bit narrower than Ideal for looks, but seemed to keep off the spray just
fine -- I guess that at speed the water collects along the center of the
tread.

So, if your Honjos as as wide as these, they ought to work fine. As to
clearance, the plastic fenders are probably shallower in cross section, if
I remember my Honjos, and that may cause a problem.


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>
> Has anybody tried these tires yet...?  (looks like Rivendell  is sold out
> of them)
>
> I've got a set waiting for the mounting but am unsure if my current set of
> Honjo's will cover the tire or even fit...has anybody tired the Some Rain
> Dog Fenders at 60mm wide?  How about with the Bens?
> http://store.somafab.com/soma-rain-dog-fenders--60mm-wid60.html
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders, dammit!

[Ron Mc]

fender bike; fast bike - of course, it never rains

On Friday, September 27, 2013 11:46:53 AM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Removing your fenders, cleaning your bike, and washing your car will bring 
> on a deluge.  
>
> On Friday, September 27, 2013 9:39:13 AM UTC-7, Lee Chae wrote:
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>> there.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> It must be a supernatural truth: removing fenders brings rain, adding
>>> them brings sunshine.
>>>
>>> Last night, after 2 weeks of sun and the calendar end of the "monsoon"
>>> at the end of September, not to mention no forecast of any real
>>> chancer of rain in the forseable future,I removed the fenders from the
>>> Curt. Had that nice night ride.
>>>
>>> Today: rain threatening.
>>>
>>> Earlier: after almost record breaking rains in late July and August
>>> (after a 3 year "severe" drought -- my mother's west side of the city
>>> got exactly 0.1" between Jan and June of this year; av citywide
>>> something like 1"), we had 2 weeks of sun in early Sept. Removed
>>> fenders. Immediately got a week of record breaking rain. Put them back
>>> on. Two weeks of sun as mentioned above.k
>>>
>>> Sheesh!
>>>
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>>> in clouding up ABQ, NM.
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Re: [RBW] Fenders, dammit!

[Tom Virgil]

Removing your fenders, cleaning your bike, and washing your car will bring 
on a deluge.  

On Friday, September 27, 2013 9:39:13 AM UTC-7, Lee Chae wrote:
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> Glass half full, it seems like you might have a nice little side business 
> there.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Patrick Moore 
> > wrote:
>
>> It must be a supernatural truth: removing fenders brings rain, adding
>> them brings sunshine.
>>
>> Last night, after 2 weeks of sun and the calendar end of the "monsoon"
>> at the end of September, not to mention no forecast of any real
>> chancer of rain in the forseable future,I removed the fenders from the
>> Curt. Had that nice night ride.
>>
>> Today: rain threatening.
>>
>> Earlier: after almost record breaking rains in late July and August
>> (after a 3 year "severe" drought -- my mother's west side of the city
>> got exactly 0.1" between Jan and June of this year; av citywide
>> something like 1"), we had 2 weeks of sun in early Sept. Removed
>> fenders. Immediately got a week of record breaking rain. Put them back
>> on. Two weeks of sun as mentioned above.k
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
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>> in clouding up ABQ, NM.
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Re: [RBW] Fenders, dammit!

[Lee Chae]

Glass half full, it seems like you might have a nice little side business
there.

Lee


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> It must be a supernatural truth: removing fenders brings rain, adding
> them brings sunshine.
>
> Last night, after 2 weeks of sun and the calendar end of the "monsoon"
> at the end of September, not to mention no forecast of any real
> chancer of rain in the forseable future,I removed the fenders from the
> Curt. Had that nice night ride.
>
> Today: rain threatening.
>
> Earlier: after almost record breaking rains in late July and August
> (after a 3 year "severe" drought -- my mother's west side of the city
> got exactly 0.1" between Jan and June of this year; av citywide
> something like 1"), we had 2 weeks of sun in early Sept. Removed
> fenders. Immediately got a week of record breaking rain. Put them back
> on. Two weeks of sun as mentioned above.k
>
> Sheesh!
>
> Patrick "no I will *not* simply leave the fenders all on year" Moore
> in clouding up ABQ, NM.
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Re: [RBW] Fenders and Rams

[Steve Wimberg]

I have Longboards and Tektro Silver (not sure what "R" number those equate to) 
brakes on my orange Ram, and it works great with 28m Paselas.  I've also put on 
32mm Schwalbe Marathons for a trip on the C&O Towpath, which worked fine too.  
The Schwalbes seemed a little tight, but I had no problems.

Steve


On Nov 10, 2012, at 10:58 PM, J L wrote:

> Ryan
> 
> Some have installed longboards, or SKS fenders on their Ram but there are 
> also many who were successful in installing metal fenders.  
> 
> There are a couple things one can do to improve the clearance for fenders.  
> What brakes do you have?  The stock Shimano brakes are nice at stopping but 
> the Tektro 539s are a good upgrade because of how they are shaped.   There 
> more clearance in both caliper width (wider tire can be installed without 
> deflating) and fender clearance.  The second thing to try - if I understand 
> correctly what you meant by "mount the good way" is to shorten the daruma 
> bolt (a file used like a saw works well) then drill the mounting hole a 
> little wider in order to use a recessed brake bolt in place of the nut.  
> 
> I worked with this same issue on my own Ram.  I am very pleased with the 
> Tektro brakes and although I got fenders to fit on the bike I never ride with 
> them.
> 
> Cheers
> JL 
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Re: [RBW] Fenders and Rams

[J L]

Ryan

Some have installed longboards, or SKS fenders on their Ram but there are
also many who were successful in installing metal fenders.

There are a couple things one can do to improve the clearance for fenders.
What brakes do you have?  The stock Shimano brakes are nice at stopping but
the Tektro 539s are a good upgrade because of how they are shaped.   There
more clearance in both caliper width (wider tire can be installed without
deflating) and fender clearance.  The second thing to try - if I understand
correctly what you meant by "mount the good way" is to shorten the daruma
bolt (a file used like a saw works well) then drill the mounting hole a
little wider in order to use a recessed brake bolt in place of the nut.

I worked with this same issue on my own Ram.  I am very pleased with the
Tektro brakes and although I got fenders to fit on the bike I never ride
with them.

Cheers
JL

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> My hanjos do not like my Ram with 32mm paselas. It worked but the crown
> was too shallow to mount the good way and the original brakes are pretty
> low.
>
> Has anyone put the longboards on a ram?
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Re: [RBW] Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Darin G.  wrote:
> Anyone out there running the SKS P35 fenders on a Rom?  Is there room
> to get a Grand Bois 30 (32 actual) under there?


I'm running the SKS longboards on a rom with grand bois 30's w/o a problem.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/5826669250/in/set-72157624558173869
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/5826118685/in/set-72157624558173869

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Re: [RBW] Fenders for Roadeo

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on 12/29/10 8:37 AM, Anne Paulson at anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

> Would it be terrible to temporarily attach the front fender to my
> Roadeo with a bolt as usual at the fork blade tip, and zipties at the
> brake bridge? These fenders are just for a few days, and since I'm
> hopelessly bad at readjusting brakes I don't want to have to do it
> twice in a week.

I'd be a little worried about the zip tie affecting the operation of the
front brake.  Mike has the right idea - If you can get your hands on the
Sheldon Nut, it drastically simplifies on/off of fenders and elminates brake
adjustments.

Also, that thing he said about fenders=sunshine ;^)

And, while the  fenders on brevets are really courteous to those who ride
with you.  Unfendered riders on misty/rainy days are genuinely unpopular in
groups.

Good luck and have FUN!

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Re: [RBW] Fenders and Speed

[PATRICK MOORE]

If you want wind resistance, put on some big front panniers -- or push
a 60 mm knobby 622 bcd tire into a headwind!

Patrick "all my headwinds are tailwinds" Moore, anguishedly staring at
his average speed readout in windy, this morning! ABQ, NM

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Bruce  wrote:
> My Saluki runs at the same avg with/without hammered honjos. The constant is
> the engine :)
>
> Now, adding significant weight like constructeur racks and large bags will
> start to have an effect, but fenders are generally light and don't
> appreciably affect wind resistance.
>
> Getting older does seem to have an effect on many riders however.
>
>
> 
> From: Eric Norris 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: [RBW] Fenders and Speed
>
> Any thoughts from other riders with fendered bikes about whether they make
> your bike slower?  I've been riding my somewhat newly fendered Quickbeam
> lately, and it seems to be a little more sluggish than I remember it being
> in years past.
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders and Speed

[Bruce]

My Saluki runs at the same avg with/without hammered honjos. The constant is 
the 
engine :)

Now, adding significant weight like constructeur racks and large bags will 
start 
to have an effect, but fenders are generally light and don't appreciably affect 
wind resistance.

Getting older does seem to have an effect on many riders however.






From: Eric Norris 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:51:42 AM
Subject: [RBW] Fenders and Speed

Any thoughts from other riders with fendered bikes about whether they make your 
bike slower?  I've been riding my somewhat newly fendered Quickbeam lately, and 
it seems to be a little more sluggish than I remember it being in years past.

--Eric N



  

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Re: [RBW] Fenders and Speed

[Brian Hanson]

They certainly won't make it faster unless you have a rocket attached to
them...  I think it's mostly a state of mind.  They do keep me cleaner,
though!

Brian
Seattle (pouring down rain today)

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> Any thoughts from other riders with fendered bikes about whether they make
> your bike slower?  I've been riding my somewhat newly fendered Quickbeam
> lately, and it seems to be a little more sluggish than I remember it being
> in years past.
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Re: [RBW] Fenders and Tire issues

[PATRICK MOORE]

The VOs are good value but the cheaper aluminum ones are softer and
bend more easily than the much more expensive Honjo Hammered. That
said, I have 37 mm VO cheapies on two bikes and, no problems.

Honjo Hammereds are very nice.

Berthoud stainless are very nice, too, but IME the Honjos stand up to
dents better -- I think that the aluminum is actually harder or,
perhaps, the "hammered" pattern stiffens the fender.

The 559 X 50 Honjos are 8 oz lighter than the 50 mm 650B ss Berthouds,
hardware included -- 1 lb versus 1 lb 8 oz. Haven't weighed the VOs.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Carl Otto Wollin
 wrote:
> Hello RBW
> I´m looking for your help and addvice regarding fenders for my bike with 26
> x 1.75 - 2.0 tires. The bike is my commuter/touring bike. What do you use
> and reccomend I have looked in to the following fenders:
> Velo Orange 26 x 60 mm fenders in aluminium
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vo60fefor26w.html
> or steel: http://www.velo-orange.com/vo45ststfe1.html
> Are the Velo Orange similar to Berthoud http://www.wallbike.com/fenders.html
> Another alternative i sto use the 650 B x 50 mm Honjo:
> http://www.velo-orange.com/ho50ha65fe.html
> Is the Radius the same between the 650 B and 26 inch (559), I´m thinking
> about the Berthoud fender list 650 B x
> 50: http://www.wallbike.com/berthoud/fenderchart.pdf
> The tires I wan´t to use is either the 26 x 1.75 Panaracer Paselas or the 26
> x 2.0 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme. I believe these tires has the same actual
> with.
> Thank you beforehand
> All ideas, addvice are welcome!
> Regards
> Carl Otto Wollin
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Re: [RBW] fenders

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45 Honjos with Silver sidepulls and 35 Paselas = no touching or rubbing, but
tight clearances.  Jack Brown's had plenty o' room.

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Re: [RBW] Fenders for Big Apples?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I'm just getting ready to install 60mm Giles Berthoud stainless  
fenders over 50mm Marathon Supremes (same dimension as the Big  
Apples).  Sure look like they'll fit.

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On May 29, 2010, at 10:13 PM, "Earl Grey"  wrote:

> I have a 700C bike with good clearance (45mm Panaracer Smoke knobbies
> fit fine) and am thinking of trying some 700x50 Big Apples, which
> according to rivbike, run about 44.5mm (presumably on Velocity
> Synergies, which is what I run). Has anyone fitted fenders over these
> tires? Have you tried the VO 52mm Zeppelin fenders:
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vopo52zefe70.html? Do they provide enough
> clearance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gernot
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Re: [RBW] Fenders for Big Apples?

[Rene Sterental]

I use the 60mm steel Berthoud fenders. They work very well and have great
coverage. I got them from Wallingford Bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Fenders for Big Apples?

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I've installed Planet Bike 60 mm fenders over 60 mm Big Apples; the
sidewalls protrude but the fenders stop the spray effectively.

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Earl Grey  wrote:

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> fit fine) and am thinking of trying some 700x50 Big Apples, which
> according to rivbike, run about 44.5mm (presumably on Velocity
> Synergies, which is what I run). Has anyone fitted fenders over these
> tires? Have you tried the VO 52mm Zeppelin fenders:
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vopo52zefe70.html? Do they provide enough
> clearance?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [RBW] Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

[PATRICK MOORE]

Using 60 mm fenders with 42 mm tires will perform fine and look only a bit
off -- I use 45 mms with 22 mm tires on my Riv commuter (22 mm tires because
they are the only size I can find in 559 that have top of line casings;
these are old stock Spec Turbos).

What you have to worry about is catching obstacles up into the front fender
and, #2, banging the bottom of the front fender on edges of dropoffs.

I heartily recommend putting aside aesthetic priorities here -- the Riv list
seems fixated on aesthetics to a degree perhaps excessive -- and choose
fenders for practicality, and I suggest the Planet Bike Cascadias. The
excessively short length of the front actually helps because, with fat
tires, it gives more dropoff room; you can always extend the absurdly short
front flap. Moreover, the high trailing end makes it less likely that you
will pick up an obstacle between tire and fender/

I use the PBs on my Monocog 29er, where they work very well. They are too
flexible, but that allows they to shrug off bumps and falls; the short front
is adequate thanks to the very high bb of the Monocog -- it keeps the spray
off the bb -- and you can install SKS QR mounts on front, which I have not
bothered to do but ought to consider doing myself.

Patrick Moore, who has owned 3 custom Rivs and loves their looks, but loves
their fit and feel and handling and quality far far more than their looks.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:

> I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still
> haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the
> latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the
> brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control
> 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is
> essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire.
>
> I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles
> Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would
> be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told
> me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender
> with catastrophic consequences.
>
> I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the
> road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered
> there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon
> Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders?
>
> Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with
> fenders.
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