Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment ideas for very large residential PV and battery backup

2019-01-11 Thread Darryl Thayer 
just a thought, when trying to parallel 4 XW inverters several years ago,
the problem arose with paralleling the internal relays, going from grid to
back up power and back, burning the contacts.  If you truly want 60 kW or
close you need 9 or 10 XWs in parallel.  Outback uses the same relay.  Is
your project 3 phase?

On the batteries, the max anyone talks about on discharge of Li-ion is 2
hr. suggesting a120 kWh battery for a 60 kW inverter.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 1:37 PM August Goers  wrote:

> Hi Jay - The battery kW rating isn't necessarily set. Assuming a 60 kW-DC
> PV system, we might have about ~50 kW (or a bit more) of PV inverter rating
> so I'd by default match the battery inverter rating to that (about 50 kW)
> if it was AC coupled. If, for example, we go with four SMA 6048-US Sunny
> Islands as our constraint then we might need to split up some of the PV to
> be solely grid tied. Long story short, I'm not sure yet.
>
> August
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jay  wrote:
>
>> Hi August
>> Did you tell us how many kW of battery inverter you needed?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2019, at 6:40 AM, August Goers  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks All for the ideas. For the battery inverters, I'm most interested
>> in sticking with SMA or Schneider which I've had good experience with in
>> the past. Over the past year and a half our experience has been focused on
>> the Tesla Powerwall with SGIP   incentivized
>> projects. Tesla is now allowing up to ten Powerwalls per Gateway which is
>> about 135 kWh of storage - more than enough for most folks! But this
>> particular client doesn't want Tesla and insists on wanting more the 200
>> kWh of storage. As many of your know, SGIP is not for backup purposes but
>> rather for advanced grid support functionality. I'm curious whether we can
>> program with Schneider XW to meet SGIP requirements and I've been under the
>> impression that we can't with the SMA Sunny Island. Regardless, it might be
>> easiest to just program the inverters for backup only operation and just
>> skip the SGIP all together.
>>
>> Best, August
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:17 PM Darryl Thayer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, my supplier, just today introduced us to a new product they are
>>> selling.  This is Werner Electric supply in MN  the product is Energport
>>> i...@energport.com  or www.energport.com  They have models up to 60 kW
>>> and 120 kWh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM August Goers  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Wrenches,

 We have a new potential client who wants a 60 kW PV system and a
 battery backup system with 200 kWh of storage. The system will be grid tied
 and the client insists on some sort of lithium battery technology and
 doesn't want Tesla. For such a ridiculously large system, what kind of
 equipment would you recommend? I'm thinking maybe Sunny Islands with Blue
 Ion LiFePO4 batteries?

 Best, August

 *August Goers*

 Luminalt Energy Corporation



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Phone Support

2019-01-11 Thread Bill Hennessy 
We received a response in a day. Bill Hennessy
Berks Solar, LLC



  From: Jay 
 To: RE-wrenches  
 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Phone Support
   
Hi all,
In regards to signing up for the special code. Does anyone know how long it 
takes to get a response?  
It’s been 2 days now and so far no return email with the “code”
JayPeltz power. 
On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Michael Welch  
wrote:


Hi gang. I am posting this on behalf of Sandra Herrera.

Hello Re-Wenches,
I am sorry to hear the challenges listed here on accessing the 
SchneiderElectric technical support departments.
The recent changes made were intended to improve the support to ourinstaller. 
However, we are still working out bugs.
The technical department call center is available to the solarprofessional, but 
it does requires a simple first step. You must firstregister your company by 
filling out this form (link below) theregistration is only needed once per 
company. After completing theregistration, you will receive an email response 
that will provide youwith an unpublished code that will get you through 
directly to thetechnical support call center.
https://solar.schneider-electric.com/installer-registration/
The 866-519-1470 phone number has not changed, and a new number833-391-8640 has 
been added. Once you receive the unpublished access codeeveryone in your 
company can use it. 
I hope this classifies the changes. Please feel free to contact medirectly if 
you have any questions or concerns.
Regards 
Sandra Herrera
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Phone Support

2019-01-11 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
It took me 3 days from the 10th of DEC. to the 13th when I got mine. There
are still some glitches see below.
One must also keep in mind the huge number of really crazy calls from DIY
people who had no training installing systems.
I know it sucks now but rumors of a really good interactive FAQ specific
to Schneider Solar will help those folks and keep the lines available for
us.
I always tell them how much I miss the Xantrex user forum but

Hi Dave,

I think we have another communications issue. xxx'd out code info
 I will get the confirmation message update the message afterwards and let
you know.

Again thank you for your support.  You are speeding up troubleshooting our
new
system incredibly.

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> Hi all,
>
> In regards to signing up for the special code. Does anyone know how long
> it takes to get a response?
>
> It’s been 2 days now and so far no return email with the “code”
>
> Jay
> Peltz power.
>
>> On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Michael Welch
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi gang. I am posting this on behalf of Sandra Herrera.
>>
>> Hello Re-Wenches,
>> I am sorry to hear the challenges listed here on accessing the Schneider
>> Electric technical support departments.
>> The recent changes made were intended to improve the support to our
>> installer. However, we are still working out bugs.
>> The technical department call center is available to the solar
>> professional, but it does requires a simple first step. You must first
>> register your company by filling out this form (link below) the
>> registration is only needed once per company. After completing the
>> registration, you will receive an email response that will provide you
>> with an unpublished code that will get you through directly to the
>> technical support call center.
>> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/installer-registration/
>> The 866-519-1470 phone number has not changed, and a new number
>> 833-391-8640 has been added. Once you receive the unpublished access
>> code everyone in your company can use it.
>> I hope this classifies the changes. Please feel free to contact me
>> directly if you have any questions or concerns.
>> Regards
>> Sandra Herrera
>> sandra.herr...@schneider-electric.com
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Phone Support

2019-01-11 Thread Howie Michaelson 
My response was within an hour I believe.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:26 PM Jay  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In regards to signing up for the special code. Does anyone know how long
> it takes to get a response?
>
> It’s been 2 days now and so far no return email with the “code”
>
> Jay
> Peltz power.
>
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Michael Welch 
> wrote:
>
> Hi gang. I am posting this on behalf of Sandra Herrera.
>
> Hello Re-Wenches,
> I am sorry to hear the challenges listed here on accessing the Schneider
> Electric technical support departments.
> The recent changes made were intended to improve the support to our
> installer. However, we are still working out bugs.
> The technical department call center is available to the solar
> professional, but it does requires a simple first step. You must first
> register your company by filling out this form (link below) the
> registration is only needed once per company. After completing the
> registration, you will receive an email response that will provide you with
> an unpublished code that will get you through directly to the technical
> support call center.
> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/installer-registration/
> The 866-519-1470 phone number has not changed, and a new number
> 833-391-8640 has been added. Once you receive the unpublished access code
> everyone in your company can use it.
> I hope this classifies the changes. Please feel free to contact me
> directly if you have any questions or concerns.
> Regards
> Sandra Herrera
> sandra.herr...@schneider-electric.com
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment ideas for very large residential PV and battery backup

2019-01-11 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
Yes is the answer on Schneider. When do you need to order? I can get you a
sales engineer as I am working with a few right now. Here is a link to the
XW Pro that will meet future needs as well as California Rule 21.

https://solar.schneider-electric.com/product/conext-xw-pro-na-solar-inverter/

FRIDAY !

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> Thanks All for the ideas. For the battery inverters, I'm most interested
> in
> sticking with SMA or Schneider which I've had good experience with in the
> past. Over the past year and a half our experience has been focused on the
> Tesla Powerwall with SGIP   incentivized
> projects. Tesla is now allowing up to ten Powerwalls per Gateway which is
> about 135 kWh of storage - more than enough for most folks! But this
> particular client doesn't want Tesla and insists on wanting more the 200
> kWh of storage. As many of your know, SGIP is not for backup purposes but
> rather for advanced grid support functionality. I'm curious whether we can
> program with Schneider XW to meet SGIP requirements and I've been under
> the
> impression that we can't with the SMA Sunny Island. Regardless, it might
> be
> easiest to just program the inverters for backup only operation and just
> skip the SGIP all together.
>
> Best, August
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:17 PM Darryl Thayer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, my supplier, just today introduced us to a new product they are
>> selling.  This is Werner Electric supply in MN  the product is Energport
>> i...@energport.com  or www.energport.com  They have models up to 60 kW
>> and 120 kWh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM August Goers  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Wrenches,
>>>
>>> We have a new potential client who wants a 60 kW PV system and a
>>> battery
>>> backup system with 200 kWh of storage. The system will be grid tied and
>>> the
>>> client insists on some sort of lithium battery technology and doesn't
>>> want
>>> Tesla. For such a ridiculously large system, what kind of equipment
>>> would
>>> you recommend? I'm thinking maybe Sunny Islands with Blue Ion LiFePO4
>>> batteries?
>>>
>>> Best, August
>>>
>>> *August Goers*
>>>
>>> Luminalt Energy Corporation
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Phone Support

2019-01-11 Thread Jay 
Hi all,

In regards to signing up for the special code. Does anyone know how long it 
takes to get a response?  

It’s been 2 days now and so far no return email with the “code”

Jay
Peltz power. 

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Michael Welch  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi gang. I am posting this on behalf of Sandra Herrera.
> 
> Hello Re-Wenches,
> I am sorry to hear the challenges listed here on accessing the Schneider 
> Electric technical support departments.
> The recent changes made were intended to improve the support to our 
> installer. However, we are still working out bugs.
> The technical department call center is available to the solar professional, 
> but it does requires a simple first step. You must first register your 
> company by filling out this form (link below) the registration is only needed 
> once per company. After completing the registration, you will receive an 
> email response that will provide you with an unpublished code that will get 
> you through directly to the technical support call center.
> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/installer-registration/
> The 866-519-1470 phone number has not changed, and a new number 833-391-8640 
> has been added. Once you receive the unpublished access code everyone in your 
> company can use it. 
> I hope this classifies the changes. Please feel free to contact me directly 
> if you have any questions or concerns.
> Regards 
> Sandra Herrera
> sandra.herr...@schneider-electric.com 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment ideas for very large residential PV and battery backup

2019-01-11 Thread August Goers 
Hi Jay - The battery kW rating isn't necessarily set. Assuming a 60 kW-DC
PV system, we might have about ~50 kW (or a bit more) of PV inverter rating
so I'd by default match the battery inverter rating to that (about 50 kW)
if it was AC coupled. If, for example, we go with four SMA 6048-US Sunny
Islands as our constraint then we might need to split up some of the PV to
be solely grid tied. Long story short, I'm not sure yet.

August


On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jay  wrote:

> Hi August
> Did you tell us how many kW of battery inverter you needed?
>
> Jay
>
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 6:40 AM, August Goers  wrote:
>
> Thanks All for the ideas. For the battery inverters, I'm most interested
> in sticking with SMA or Schneider which I've had good experience with in
> the past. Over the past year and a half our experience has been focused on
> the Tesla Powerwall with SGIP   incentivized
> projects. Tesla is now allowing up to ten Powerwalls per Gateway which is
> about 135 kWh of storage - more than enough for most folks! But this
> particular client doesn't want Tesla and insists on wanting more the 200
> kWh of storage. As many of your know, SGIP is not for backup purposes but
> rather for advanced grid support functionality. I'm curious whether we can
> program with Schneider XW to meet SGIP requirements and I've been under the
> impression that we can't with the SMA Sunny Island. Regardless, it might be
> easiest to just program the inverters for backup only operation and just
> skip the SGIP all together.
>
> Best, August
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:17 PM Darryl Thayer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, my supplier, just today introduced us to a new product they are
>> selling.  This is Werner Electric supply in MN  the product is Energport
>> i...@energport.com  or www.energport.com  They have models up to 60 kW
>> and 120 kWh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM August Goers  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Wrenches,
>>>
>>> We have a new potential client who wants a 60 kW PV system and a battery
>>> backup system with 200 kWh of storage. The system will be grid tied and the
>>> client insists on some sort of lithium battery technology and doesn't want
>>> Tesla. For such a ridiculously large system, what kind of equipment would
>>> you recommend? I'm thinking maybe Sunny Islands with Blue Ion LiFePO4
>>> batteries?
>>>
>>> Best, August
>>>
>>> *August Goers*
>>>
>>> Luminalt Energy Corporation
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment ideas for very large residential PV and battery backup

2019-01-11 Thread Jay 
Hi August 
Did you tell us how many kW of battery inverter you needed?

Jay 

> On Jan 11, 2019, at 6:40 AM, August Goers  wrote:
> 
> Thanks All for the ideas. For the battery inverters, I'm most interested in 
> sticking with SMA or Schneider which I've had good experience with in the 
> past. Over the past year and a half our experience has been focused on the 
> Tesla Powerwall with SGIP  incentivized projects. Tesla is now allowing up to 
> ten Powerwalls per Gateway which is about 135 kWh of storage - more than 
> enough for most folks! But this particular client doesn't want Tesla and 
> insists on wanting more the 200 kWh of storage. As many of your know, SGIP is 
> not for backup purposes but rather for advanced grid support functionality. 
> I'm curious whether we can program with Schneider XW to meet SGIP 
> requirements and I've been under the impression that we can't with the SMA 
> Sunny Island. Regardless, it might be easiest to just program the inverters 
> for backup only operation and just skip the SGIP all together. 
> 
> Best, August
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:17 PM Darryl Thayer  wrote:
>> Hi, my supplier, just today introduced us to a new product they are selling. 
>>  This is Werner Electric supply in MN  the product is Energport  
>> i...@energport.com  or www.energport.com  They have models up to 60 kW and 
>> 120 kWh
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM August Goers  wrote:
>>> Hi Wrenches,
>>> 
>>> We have a new potential client who wants a 60 kW PV system and a battery 
>>> backup system with 200 kWh of storage. The system will be grid tied and the 
>>> client insists on some sort of lithium battery technology and doesn't want 
>>> Tesla. For such a ridiculously large system, what kind of equipment would 
>>> you recommend? I'm thinking maybe Sunny Islands with Blue Ion LiFePO4 
>>> batteries?
>>> 
>>> Best, August
>>> August Goers
>>> 
>>> Luminalt Energy Corporation
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment ideas for very large residential PV and battery backup

2019-01-11 Thread August Goers 
Thanks All for the ideas. For the battery inverters, I'm most interested in
sticking with SMA or Schneider which I've had good experience with in the
past. Over the past year and a half our experience has been focused on the
Tesla Powerwall with SGIP   incentivized
projects. Tesla is now allowing up to ten Powerwalls per Gateway which is
about 135 kWh of storage - more than enough for most folks! But this
particular client doesn't want Tesla and insists on wanting more the 200
kWh of storage. As many of your know, SGIP is not for backup purposes but
rather for advanced grid support functionality. I'm curious whether we can
program with Schneider XW to meet SGIP requirements and I've been under the
impression that we can't with the SMA Sunny Island. Regardless, it might be
easiest to just program the inverters for backup only operation and just
skip the SGIP all together.

Best, August


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:17 PM Darryl Thayer  wrote:

> Hi, my supplier, just today introduced us to a new product they are
> selling.  This is Werner Electric supply in MN  the product is Energport
> i...@energport.com  or www.energport.com  They have models up to 60 kW
> and 120 kWh
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM August Goers  wrote:
>
>> Hi Wrenches,
>>
>> We have a new potential client who wants a 60 kW PV system and a battery
>> backup system with 200 kWh of storage. The system will be grid tied and the
>> client insists on some sort of lithium battery technology and doesn't want
>> Tesla. For such a ridiculously large system, what kind of equipment would
>> you recommend? I'm thinking maybe Sunny Islands with Blue Ion LiFePO4
>> batteries?
>>
>> Best, August
>>
>> *August Goers*
>>
>> Luminalt Energy Corporation
>>
>>
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