Re: [recoznet2] We're not racists, but...................
LAurie Reading your comments reminds me of Billy Bragg mentioning at his last concert here - that he had just read our national anthem and thought that it should really be called "Advance AUstralia fair-skinned" Annette -Original Message-From: Laurie Forde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Recoznet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thursday, 11 May 2000 4:13Subject: [recoznet2] We're not racists, but... I was listening to the National Anthem being sung prior to the State of Origin game last night and the thought came to me that we will have to further change the line ,''Australians all let us rejoice ,for we are YOUNG and free" . I doubt that 40,000 plus years fits the ''young" description. :-). Laurie. Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[recoznet2] crook correspondence
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[recoznet2] Fw: the crane protest(Kumarangk-hindmarsh island-)
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2000 10:09Subject: the crane protest at Kumarangk Hello to all ...just thought I'd let people know that Davie and I went to court the other day to face the charges of trespass made against us... the prosecutor informed the court that he sought $10,000 compensation for the Star Force's involvement and $28,000 compensation for the bridge builders. I thought this a rather big stick intended to deter future protests through fear and intimidation...I said as much and we argued our reasons for the protest and the judge awarded the police $250 and the builders $250.. the police then gave their compensation to the builders??? go figure. so Davie and I each have to pay $500 to the builders as well as $120 each in court costs... a pretty good outcome considering the alternative of $28,000...If any one would like to help us pay our fines we would be most grateful. If anyone is after more information please contact me via E-mail or my home number is 82962401. There is an overnight protest in Amelia Park on this Saturday night as there has been for the last two weekends, we have a fire and good company and Darryl Sumner already dealt with council and police opposition a lot of people are about on the weekends at Goolwa watching the constuction of the bridge and it is imperative that the protest is taken to them...it is an opportunity to protest against mandatory sentencing , Herron & Howards state of denial, and to discuss plans for protesting in Sydney at the Olympics ...please come down ...bring banners , food, swag, ect.. yours in hope and protest Dave Sjoberg.
Re: [recoznet2] PM apologises over Stolen Generations document - NOT
Exactly Trudy... and when my six year old hits her little sister over the head with that enormous, heavy bringing them home report - and she says "sorry if you were hurt by that I didn't MEAN to hurt you I just meant to hit you over the head! " what should a good parent do?? Annette -Original Message- From: Trudy & Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, 7 April 2000 10:37 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] PM apologises over Stolen Generations document - NOT >Look very carefully at the words used by Howard. He is sorry for the >offence people took not for the document that caused the offence - he >stands by that. Not much of an apology in my book. > >Trudy > >> David Sjoberg wrote: >> >> PM apologises over Stolen Generations document >> >> The Prime Minister has issued an apology to anyone offended by the >> Government's submission to a Senate inquiry which asserted there was >> no generation of stolen Aboriginal children. >> >> John Howard says some reaction to the document, including by those who >> were removed from their families, has been understandable while other >> reaction has been despicable. >> >> He says the Government submission was not designed >> with "malign intent". >> >> "Let me say very directly to anybody in the >> Australian community, who was in any way offended by >> that document, I am sorry about that because the document was not >> designed to offend anybody," he said. >> >> "The document was designed in good faith by the Minister and those who >> assisted him in preparing it," Mr Howard said. >> >> The Aboriginal Affairs Minister, John Herron, mirrored Mr Howard's >> apology. >> >> "I understand the feelings of the people in the gallery and to anyone >> else that may be offended by the statement that I put to the >> constitutional and legal affairs committee. It was not my intent to do >> so." >> >> Earlier members of the Stolen Generations had disrupted question time >> in the Senate. >> >> Several women watching proceedings in the gallery began shouting at >> Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron as he was answering a question >> about the term Stolen Generations. >> >> Security staff moved towards the women as the Speaker called for >> order, but did not remove them from the chamber. >> >> Plea >> >> Earlier in the day members of the Stolen Generations gathered outside >> Parliament House in Canberra to deliver an impassioned plea for >> recognition by the Federal Government. >> >> The Aboriginal people say reconciliation cannot proceed until they >> receive an apology. >> >> Around 80 people gathered in Canberra to express their anger at the >> Government's submission to a Senate inquiry, which denied there had >> been a generation of stolen children. >> >> "To me reconciliation has gone back 20 years. Why have they done this >> to us, we haven't done them any wrong? We grew up, didn't even know >> who our families were," said one protester. >> >> Democrats Senator Aden Ridgeway and Opposition leader Kim Beazley >> offered their support. >> >> "You are the Stolen Generations and this is about your story and no >> one should take that away," Senator Ridgeway said. >> >> "We're here dealing with some of the most damaged, traumatised people >> in Australian society," said Mr Beazley. >> >> Reparation >> >> Members of the Stolen Generations have accused the Federal Government >> of setting up its $63 million reparation program to fail. >> >> Revelations that most the money is still unspent have caused bitter >> recriminations. >> >> Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron has accused the Aboriginal and >> Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) - the peak Indigenous >> organisation - of delays in spending the money set aside for the >> Stolen Generations. >> >> ATSIC received $11 million for family reunions, although the largest >> share, worth $39 million, went to the Federal Health Department for >> mental health services. >> >> But Maurie Ryan from the Northern Territory Stolen Generations >> Corporation says it is hard to find any services on the ground. >> >> He says part of the problem has been the lack of a proper monitoring >> system, for which he blames the Federal Government. >> >> © 2000 Australian Broadcasting Corporation > >
[recoznet2] PM apologises over Stolen Generations document - NOT
PM apologises over Stolen Generations document The Prime Minister has issued an apology to anyone offended by the Government's submission to a Senate inquiry which asserted there was no generation of stolen Aboriginal children.John Howard says some reaction to the document, including by those who were removed from their families, has been understandable while other reaction has been despicable. MULTIMEDIA He says the Government submission was not designed with "malign intent"."Let me say very directly to anybody in the Australian community, who was in any way offended by that document, I am sorry about that because the document was not designed to offend anybody," he said."The document was designed in good faith by the Minister and those who assisted him in preparing it," Mr Howard said.The Aboriginal Affairs Minister, John Herron, mirrored Mr Howard's apology."I understand the feelings of the people in the gallery and to anyone else that may be offended by the statement that I put to the constitutional and legal affairs committee. It was not my intent to do so."Earlier members of the Stolen Generations had disrupted question time in the Senate.Several women watching proceedings in the gallery began shouting at Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron as he was answering a question about the term Stolen Generations.Security staff moved towards the women as the Speaker called for order, but did not remove them from the chamber.PleaEarlier in the day members of the Stolen Generations gathered outside Parliament House in Canberra to deliver an impassioned plea for recognition by the Federal Government.The Aboriginal people say reconciliation cannot proceed until they receive an apology.Around 80 people gathered in Canberra to express their anger at the Government's submission to a Senate inquiry, which denied there had been a generation of stolen children."To me reconciliation has gone back 20 years. Why have they done this to us, we haven't done them any wrong? We grew up, didn't even know who our families were," said one protester.Democrats Senator Aden Ridgeway and Opposition leader Kim Beazley offered their support."You are the Stolen Generations and this is about your story and no one should take that away," Senator Ridgeway said."We're here dealing with some of the most damaged, traumatised people in Australian society," said Mr Beazley.ReparationMembers of the Stolen Generations have accused the Federal Government of setting up its $63 million reparation program to fail.Revelations that most the money is still unspent have caused bitter recriminations.Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron has accused the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) - the peak Indigenous organisation - of delays in spending the money set aside for the Stolen Generations.ATSIC received $11 million for family reunions, although the largest share, worth $39 million, went to the Federal Health Department for mental health services.But Maurie Ryan from the Northern Territory Stolen Generations Corporation says it is hard to find any services on the ground.He says part of the problem has been the lack of a proper monitoring system, for which he blames the Federal Government. © 2000 Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Re: [recoznet2] I don't think so, Graham.
well said Elanour, I found your analysis refreshing whilst Graham sounded like a Liberal party spokesman rapidly backpedalling -Original Message- From: Eleanor Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, 4 April 2000 11:02 Subject: [recoznet2] I don't think so, Graham. >Graham, > >I don't agree with your arguments at all. I don't see the point in looking >at the semantics of the debate, and using them to justify or at least soften >the liberal government's position. Perhaps there wasn't an entire generation >of children stolen from their families, but generations upon generations of >Aboriginal people were effected by the systematic removal of Aboriginal >children. I don't think you could possibly put any sort of percentage on >what happened, and I don't think you can say that Herron was correct, >semantically, logically, statistically or in any other way. > >But if you want to talk about semantics, I think calling Herron's statement >a 'blunder' is about as offensive and inappropriate as calling the history >of genocide in this country (and yes, it was genocide and I will continue to >call it genocide) a 'blemish' on Australia's 'proud history'(Howard's >interpretation of events). > >I do agree that the process of reconciliation is harder for Indigenous >Australians, because they have to forgive us, and I think largely the steps >towards reconciliation so far, including the draft statement of >reconciliation, have been more about white Australia feeling warm and fuzzy >than tackling the real issues - bringing the true history of Australia to >the forefront of the collective consciouness of Australian people, >understanding exactly what has happened, what is continuing to happen, and >that we're are all intrinsically connected to the racist ideological >framework which exists today in Australian society and it is up to each and >every one of us to challenge it. > >I think it is outrageous to suggest that Indigenous Australians should get >up and forgive Herron, Newman and Howard for their continued ignorance, >offensiveness and blatant racism, when Howard not only refuses to say sorry >for what has happened so far, but actually continues to try to justify it. >Why on earth SHOULD Indigenous Australia forgive them? Do you REALLY think >that's going to aid the process of bringing white and black Australia >together? > >I think such a move would do nothing but hinder reconciliation in the true >sense. The 'ordinary Australians' you speak of need to know that the stolen >generations DID happen, and there is probably not one Indigenous person >whose life has not been touched by it. Reconciliation will not happen if >'ordinary Australians' continue to think that only a few children were >taken, it was in their best interest and it's not really that big a deal. >Reconciliation in the true sense will NOT be warm and fuzzy. I don't think >it is just a case of "I'm sorry" "aw that's ok, I forgive you". > >And although I do think Charlie could have phrased what he was essentially >saying better, I say good on him! And good on any Australian, black or >white, who is going to take the time during the olympics to get out there in >the public eye and say what the liberals are doing and saying will not be >forgiven, and in fact it will NOT BE TOLERATED. Yes, direct action can be >alienating, confronting and intimidating to 'ordinary Australians'. But >perhaps if more Australians understood and acknowledged what has happened >over the last 200 years, and what is continuing to happen, then more >Australians would take a stand against it and join the fight against racism >in Australia. > >And why on earth is likening the genocide of Indigenous Australians to the >holocaust 'unhelpful'? I find it hard to believe that the idea of social >darwinism and the belief that some humans are superior to others have been >'put paid to' by liberal democracy. I am quite sure, in fact, that there is >still a wide spread sentiment of white supremacy. And I personally don't see >a history which involves food supplies and water holes being poisoned, a >history which involves babies being buried up to their necks in the sand and >having their heads kicked off, of whole communities of black women being >raped as a history in which people's 'physical lives were being preserved'. >Killings were state sanctioned, industrially efficient, they were >calculated, widespread, deliberate and genocidal. > >Yes, talking about that stuff is threatening, it's shocking, it's heart >breaking in fact. But it's the truth, and as far as I'm concerned, >reconciliation has not happened in a society which chooses to ignore and >deny that such atrocities happened. > >As for Karen, well...I think she should be booted from the list, and I don't >think implying that she is a white supremicist is inappropriate given the >comments she comes out with. The KKK is not just a group of Americans >running around in the middle o
[recoznet2] Local community doesn't accept Maralinga is safe
Local community doesn't accept Maralinga is safe The Maralinga Aboriginal community has disputed claims by the Federal Government about the safety of the former nuclear test site.The Industry Minister, Nick Michin, has declared the site safe, after the clean-up was completed two-weeks ago.He says it is ready for Aboriginal people to use and to occupy.But Andrew Collett, the lawyer who represents the Maralinga Jarraja people, says the locals may not want the land back."The position of the Maralinga community has always been and remains that it only wants the land back if the land has been cleaned up to a point which is satisfactory to the Australian Government, the South Australian Government and the Maralinga people.""That's the bottom line for the community, that's why it'll continue to look at the surveys and reports as they come to hand."
[recoznet2] River Torrens will be renamed
River Torrens will be renamed Adelaide City Council is moving to change the name of the River Torrens to the traditional Kaurna name of Karrawirraparri.Council last night voted to give several areas of the Parklands Kaurna names, including the Golf Links which will be known as Pilta-Wodli, meaning "Possum Place"The area near the Adelaide University Footbridge is to be called Karra Wirra, and two areas in the West Parklands have also been given Kaurna names.The Lord Mayor, Jane Lomax-Smith, says the council will apply to the Geographical Names Advisory Committee to give the River Torrens a second name.
[recoznet2] Conscience vote unlikely on mandatory sentencing
From ABC fon line Conscience vote unlikely on mandatory sentencing The Prime Minister is under new pressure to allow a conscience vote on mandatory sentencing.The Senate could vote today on whether to repeal the laws in the Northern Territory and Western Australia.The Senate will resume debate today on a Private Member's Bill to repeal the laws for minors.Speakers last night took diametrically different views. The opposition parties support repeal including Northern Territory Labor Senator Trish Crossin."It is about putting people above party politics," she said.But Territory Coalition Senator Grant Tambling has attacked even his own colleagues who want to repeal the laws. "It particularly saddens me that a few of my Coalition colleagues have jumped on this bandwagon," he said.The bill is certain to pass the Senate by tomorrow and go to the Lower House next month.The Prime Minister has ruled out a conscience vote meaning it is likely to fail.But organisations like the Law Council are lobbying for him to change his stance. Its president, Gordon Hughes, says otherwise MPs should decide for themselves. "I would like to see a conscience vote take place, failing that there may be no other option than for concerned members of the Government to cross the floor," he said."Whether or not enough would cross the floor to make a difference in the vote remains to be seen, I think it's a pity that it would have to come to that."I would have thought the reasons in the Senate report would have been compelling enough for the government to re-evaluate its whole position on mandatory sentencing."NTThe Northern Territory's Chief Minister, Denis Burke, says law and order is a matter for the Territory, not the Federal Government or the United Nations.A UN report, expressing concern about mandatory sentencing, was released by the Federal Government yesterday, shortly before the Senate report was released.Mr Burke has again defended the Territory laws and he is holding firm on his view they do not breach international conventions."I think Australians should stand proud on their human rights record and I think Australians should stand proud on the way we deal with indigenous issues and their complexity," he said."I don't believe we should have our head bowed to anyone whether it's the UN or anyone just because someone writes a report and decides to criticise us."
[recoznet2] guilt
..."By saying that everybody should apologise, you then make people feel guiltyfor something they did not do - trying to force the hand - when all we wantto do is move on in a peaceful, harmonious life." (Karen, a few emails back) What is a mystery to me is this immediate connection between guilt and saying sorry. If I say sorry does that mean I am admitting guilt When my dad died many many friends said sorry - they were sorry. And it helped me to have my pain acknowledged. But they were not guilty! NO one can actually make you feel anything, and certainly no one can make you feel guilty. Having read and questioned and thus learned about our history I may choose to feel saddened, enraged, furious, embarrassed whatever, and I may become aware of my part in the continual dispossession happening today - -not so far from my little house in Adelaide where I witness the continual building of THAT bridge which is founded upon layers of injustice --but whether I feel guilty or not - thats my choice. I don't feel guilty, I feel privileged - white and privileged. And very very very sad ANNETTE
Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
Dear Trudy, Thanks for your scenario - it puts together so many aspects of this issue in a simple and effective way. I have written some songs that come out of my experience of being a white person on this land, and I am planning to do some workshops in schools in Adelaide singing and discussing this stuff. Would you mind if I use your scenario? THanks again Annette -Original Message-From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sunday, 12 March 2000 3:01Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!Karen, I don't know why you are so defensive about your age. There are many young people on the list. Some younger than you are. You ask why an apology is necessary and how it will make reconciliation work. An apology is only a part of reconciliation but a very necessary part. Let me pose you a scenario: You are married and have children. You live with your extended family on a very productive farm and everyone gets along pretty well and have enough to eat. Then, some people you've never seen before come onto your farm and begin shooting your family. Your husband and 2 of your 5 children are killed right in front of you.. Most of your extended family, your mother and father, aunts and uncles are killed. Some of the men come and rape your two young daughters and bash your young son. Almost all the people you have known and loved all your life are dead and you have no one to comfort you or to help you. They take your farm and everything on it and leave you a small plot to live on but only if you work the farm for barely enough food to live on. You have no choice because you don't want your children to starve to death so you work for the people who took everything you loved from you. Eventually, your two daughters give birth to a child each but they look different from your family and before long, the people you work for tear the the children away from your daughters and leave with them. You are grief-stricken for your daughters and the loss of your grandchildren, you are angry but helpless to do anything about it. Your son has never been the same since his bashing and is sullen and refuses to do anything except destroy everything he touches. You can't reach him no matter what you do and you fear for his life. Your daughters become distant and begin drinking to forget what has happened to them and one morning you find one of them dead. She is 18. The years pass and you are now getting old. The people who took everything from you are dead and their children are now in charge. They still make you work hard and give you a little extra now and then. Then, one day they come to see you. They want everything that has happened to be forgotten. They now want to live as equals. They offer to give you a bit more land so that you can grow things for yourself and have a bit more to eat. Of course, you will no longer get anything extra from them. Also, the conditions attached to this land are that everything is to be done as they instruct. You cannot follow the practices of the past. They offer to educate your new grandchild but insist on choosing what is taught and only in their language. They want to go forward as if nothing has happened and they want you to forget what their parents did to you and your family and not live in the past. They refuse to apologise because they don't feel responsible for what their parents did even though they know what their parents did and they are growing rich on what the farm produces. They cannot even bring themselves to tell you that they are sorry for what you have suffered How would you feel, Karen? Would you forgive them and go forward as if nothing had happened? Would you think you now had equality? Would you betray the love of your children and parents and their deaths and agree to forget so that they could feel better? Trudy Karen wrote: > Tim, >Just because he doesn't believe in saying sorry doesn't mean he doesn't believe in people living as >a nation united!! >There is no need for a sorry - how will it make reconciliation work? >Can anyone even answer that question? Karen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tdunlop Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2000 9:09 AM To: RecOzNet2 Subject: [recoznet2] has the man no shame! Trudy wrote: Howard is saying nothing new but I think the time has come for people to ask him to prove his 'commitment'. So far, all his actions have proved the opposite. --- Trudy Trudy, Not just his actions, but his words. I can't believe anyone at all can take him seriously on this. I can't be
[recoznet2] Catholic Church repents for past failings
Catholic Church repents for past failings The Catholic Church says its efforts to assist indigenous Australians have often been misguided and have led to unintended but harmful long-term consequences.The Catholic Archbishops of Australia have released a Statement of Repentance to mark the 2,000th anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ.The chairman of the Bishops' committee for the Great Jubilee, Bishop Michael Putney, says the arrival of Europeans has had an incredible downside for Aboriginal Australians. "Also through our missions, through our institutions. For all the good they [have] done which has to be acknowledged, for all the enormous good they [have] done at times Aboriginal people were treated as second class citizens," he said."We've patronised them to say the least at times, we didn't respect their culture."There's a whole lot of issues there in our history that we've got to face if we want to enter the next millennium with integrity."Bishop Putney, says it is not the first time the Catholic Church has said sorry. "This is a very special statement of repentance because of the significance of this year," he said."It's as if as we approach the third millennium we want to look indigenous Australians in the eye and say in our past we failed you as well as served you."We wish you to forgive us for our failures and to enter the new millennium with you as partners. That's what we're trying to do,it's a very significant moment for us."The Catholic Church has also conceded that it has not always acted appropriately when confronted with allegations of sexual abuse.Bishop Putney says on issues of sexual abuse and abuse of authority generally, the church did not always respond readily or compassionately."Like the rest of Australia perhaps and the rest of the world I think, didn't realise just how devastatingly damaging sexual abuse is," he said."So we regret very much the people that have been harmed by sexual abuse from church workers at any point in our history and regret our failure to respond in the past as readily and as generously and as compassionately as we might have."
Re: [recoznet2] Holiday
happy holiday Trudy and Rod, thankyou for your dedication to this forum, it is essential that the culture of forgetting is challenged and you two offer many people a tool with which to sustain that challenge, goodonya, Dave. -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, 3 March 2000 10:37 Subject: [recoznet2] Holiday > >Hi everyone, > >As you probably know by now...Rod and I will be gone for three days next >week - Monday through Wednesday - for some communing with rocks, trees, >water and sky. > >Sandy Sanders has generously agreed to take care of Recoznet2 for that >time so please direct your questions/gripes and subscription needs to >her at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sandy will have full authority of listowner. > >Cheers, >Trudy > > > >-- >* >Make the Hunger Site your homepage! >http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html >* > > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] Karen are you still there ???-
I am wondering Karen if you are still out there - reading, listening, willing to discuss further why you think the way you do - and willing to listen to those who think differently? This email comes up as Dave Sjoberg - but this is his partner Annette Flanagan writing. It is no surprise to me that these issues will bring up our emotions - especially for those of us who feel so strongly and have seen first hand the effects of the racism that some will suggest does not exist - not really. I have been home today watching a video by Peter Weir - The Tuman Show. Have you seen it? Truman is a man whose whole life has been constructed for him - he doesn't know it but he is the star of a T.V. show. It reminds me of our lives so much. Especially our lives in this country. Truman is starting to realise that his life - happy and perfect as it appears - is not quite what is seemsit is a little false. So he goes on his journey to find out more about what is really happening here. He tries to get away ( to fiji I think it is) but everything holds him back ( I particulary like the scene in the tourism office where there are signs all around saying "Beware of flying!" and " pictures of lightening through planes saying "THis could happen to you!!") He is held back because of his fear - a fear that has also been constructed FOR him during his life by his creator "CHristof". THe movie goes on and is eventually finalised in Truman trying to get away - trying to understand who he is really / where he is - He is sailing off and we see his boat pierce the sky -that is, he hits the edge of his world - the edge of this place that has been constructed for him. It is a bizarre and moving scene for me - as Truman is distraught at the realisation that things are not what they have seemedand now he has a choice: Does he stay here - where everything is perfect - sure it is full of lies and constructions, but he is safe - he has nothing to fear and he COULD go on living there. OR he could take the steps out of this place - to find the REAL world. FOr me this is the world where maybe not all police are nonviolent upholders of the law. Where maybe being black is a major disadvantage - dispite our hopes that this would not happen here. Where Equality does not mean treating people all the same. This is the world where I as a "whitey" have to consider that I am implicit, somehow, in ways I may not even know yet, in the continual genocide of the people who were here when my ancestors came. I have not meant to hurt anyone. I am a good person - tried always to be fair and kind and lalalalala - but still I am involved here - And I have some questions to ask and answer about my llifestyle and opinions and actions. If you haven't seen the movie this may sound bizarre ( it may sound it even if you have) but I suggest seeing it - I suggest seeing it knowing it is directed by an AUstralian - will our history in his psyche Cheers Annette
Re: [recoznet2] Language
Peter, language? language? are you serious? spend time responding to the issues not my language, If you think that a life journey involving fighting to defend human rights is going to omit alienation and marginalisation, think again , David Sjoberg. -Original Message- From: Peter McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, 29 February 2000 6:36 Subject: [recoznet2] Language >David > While I also do not agree with Karen I find your language to be rather >distasteful. I would imagine you are not in any position of moral >authority. I support you side of the arguement, but it is such language >that alienates and marginalises. Please feel free to not send further >emails framed in such language. >Yours Sincerely >Peter McGrath > > >At 05:22 PM 2/29/00 +1100, David Sjoberg wrote: >>Karen, you inadvertantly hit the nail on the head when you said there is one >>law for them and one for us,I imagine you probably get the "special >>treatment " cliche, arse-about as well. I too have worked on Aboriginal >>communities in the territory (please don't offer your snide congratulations, >>as they only reveal your ignorance.) "homesick ! So what.-- what an >>unfortunate bit of vitriol from someone who is obviously oblivious to a >>deeper understanding of this boys experience of loss( for eg:culture, hope, > > > > >Peter (Possum)McGrath >Phone: +61 07 3844 6887 >Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Homepage:http://www.tals.qut.edu.au/staff/peter/index.htm > >"Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Australia not breaching international treaties - PM
Karen, you inadvertantly hit the nail on the head when you said there is one law for them and one for us,I imagine you probably get the "special treatment " cliche, arse-about as well. I too have worked on Aboriginal communities in the territory (please don't offer your snide congratulations, as they only reveal your ignorance.) "homesick ! So what.-- what an unfortunate bit of vitriol from someone who is obviously oblivious to a deeper understanding of this boys experience of loss( for eg:culture, hope, economy, freedom. Any comparisons made between yourself and Howard, hold credence for me I'm afraid ; get some life experience or at least some education in cultural understanding. Your insensitivity is offensive but hardly surprising. Just to offer some explanation for the attacking tenor of my argument . I have lived in the N.T for a number of years, I worked with many men on offshore oil rigs who spoke of Aboriginal Australia with nothing but disgust, who regaled the changerooms with stories of bashings and sexual assaults they had visited on any "blacks" they might encounter. I could go on with many shocking stories , I only hope to make clear to you that the boy died because he was black, he would not have been jailed if white, his life chances were severely limited because of white Australia's racism, I realise this may upset you, but ignorance needs upsetting and Karen you have a lot to learn, Dave Sjoberg [08] 82962401-Original Message- From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, 27 February 2000 2:32 Subject: RE: [recoznet2] Australia not breaching international treaties - PM >I will not apologise for my thoughts because as it is obvious, everyone has >different opinions and different encounters. You know nothing about me. >Congratulations for having worked in the NT. > >"Homesick! So what. Well for anybody who has had contact with these people >knows that what we glibly call home sickness can kill them. Why did >mandatory sentencing kill this boy - well he should not have been there in >the first place. And that it is not racist?" > >No, I still don't see how it is racist! Nobody has actually proven to me yet >how this situation is actually a racist situation yet people are declaring >it as one. As for being homeseick, how do you explain the white people >killing themselves - or are they not affected by homesickness? You cannot >just say Aboriginal people kill themselves just because they are homesick. >Teenage suicide effects everybody and it usually stems from a combination of >many factors, not just one. > >You say he should not have been there in the first place!! Why? He committed >an offence and was served his punishment. It was his choice to take his own >life. Nobody elses but his own. Again, the blame is being layed on >someone/thing else. Why am I not surprised? > >"Well I still have friends and relatives in the Territory and they are >telling me what I have long suspected, that white people who the same crimes >as these Aboriginal Peoples >are not being reported because they could go to jail." > >So why aren't you friends and family reporting the people, if they seem to >know something about these events? Who is not reporting them, as you say??? >Who is at fault? This does not make sense at all. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Henderson >Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 2:00 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Australia not breaching international treaties >- PM > > >Karen, > >Obviously you have very little knowledge of Aboriginal culture. Most of my >sixteen years in Darwin and the Northern Territory was spent living and >working with these people. Toward the end of my stay I helped at a drop in >centre. One evening there was a kafuffle concerning four Aboriginal boys >from the remand centre; they were coming to visit. There were all sorts of >requirements for: if they became violent or tried to escape. When they came >in they were very reticent and I said to them, "Where do you mob come from." >One said Port Keats, another Remangining, another Umbakumba, and the last >from Milingimbi. As I had lived in each all of these communities I began to >speak about each in turn and their families. Their faces lit up for they >were homesick. Three hours later four very animated Aboriginal boys left >with smiles on their faces. Afterwards during the debriefing I was asked >what magic I used. I replied that I just took a knowing interest in their >country. This story was repeated many times after that event. > >Homesick! So what. Well for anybody who has had contact with these people >knows that what we glibly call home sickness can kill them. Why did >mandatory sentencing kill this boy - well he should not have been there in >the first place. And that it is not racist? Well I still have friends and >relatives in the Territory and they are telling me
[recoznet2] Reconciliation celebrations to go ahead
Reconciliation celebrations to go ahead The World Today - Monday, February 28, 2000 12:48 JOHN HIGHFIELD: Well members of the Reconciliation Council say they're surprised and disappointed by the Prime Minister's remarks, just like Kim Beazley, and at least one member is questioning whether there's a connection between the Prime Minister's comments and the leaking of damaging Council research on the subject. But regardless of the political climate the Council says it will go ahead with its celebrations on 27 May this year. That's National Reconciliation Day, officially billed as Corroboree 2000 it will be a major marker day as the Council hands its reconciliation document to the Australian people. Eleanor Hall reports.ELEANOR HALL: The Deputy Chair of the Reconciliation Council, Sir Gustav Nossal, was on his way to Seattle when the Prime Minister's comments hit the news. Speaking to us from Seattle he says that having met John Howard only last week he would be shocked if the Prime Minister in any way intended to undermine the reconciliation process.GUSTAV NOSSAL: Now look, we did discuss the question of arbitrary deadlines and we agree with him that reconciliation is not an instant fix, it's not like a clap of thunder, it's not like something that happens from one day to the next. What we believe, however, is that probably 2000 will be a major step, a major stepping stone in the pathway to reconciliation, a major alert for the whole country, and we think the declaration will be poetic, meaningful, timeless, enduring, very stirring, and we're working hard to ensure that it is just that. I think that the Corroboree 2000 will go ahead but Council has a budget, which I might say the Government has generously provided, so we're not in any doubt about the Corroboree 2000 going ahead.ELEANOR HALL: But if Corroboree 2000 is a major step forward in reconciliation how seriously is it undermined by this revelation from the Prime Minister merely months beforehand that he will not, he sees no point indeed to the deadline and he won't hold to it.GUSTAV NOSSAL: Eleanor, you keep referring to a document that I have not seen and however hard you try you will not trap me into saying anything against the Prime Minister who's been extremely helpful and extremely cordial. I cannot read the Prime Minister's mind.ELEANOR HALL: But another member of the Reconciliation Council, and the author the reconciliation document, Jackie Huggins is less coy.JACKIE HUGGINS: Look, I would be lying if I said that it certainly wasn't an issue and we would hope that the Prime Minister of Australia would have taken his leadership role, particularly in support of our process.ELEANOR HALL: Jackie Huggins is particularly concerned that the Prime Minister's comments may have been motivated by political opportunism. She says, although the Council has found a lot of support for reconciliation some negative Council research showing a backlash against reconciliation has found its way into the media.JACKIE HUGGINS: As a independent body and a council I'm very surprised that the social research would be leaked to the general public and certainly to the media.ELEANOR HALL: Do you believe that the Prime Minister has based his comments today in some way on that research?JACKIE HUGGINS: Oh yes I think that's fairly evident. I think the research has had a great bearing on how the Prime Minister has spoken about the deadline, yes. And I think that kind of research can be quite awesome and quite terrifying in the sense if you don't balance it with what other people of goodwill and of awareness on reconciliation issues say about reconciliation. I think the Prime Minister has to realise that there has been ten years of very hard work that has gone into this process of reconciliation. We're saying now that this is the end result and we would hope that the Prime Minister respects our wishes.ELEANOR HALL: Hasn't the Prime Minister made it fairly clear that he at least doesn't respect the document. He said that, you know, too much store has been put in the document itself and indeed that he wouldn't have set up the process himself had he been given the opportunity.JACKIE HUGGINS: Oh well look he was all part of the opportunity. In fact in 1991 there was a bipartisan agreement that the process of reconciliation would proceed. Now his party, and all parties have voted for that. We would hope that we can finish on that note where all parties, and particularly the Prime Minister, you know, have accepted the reconciliation process.JOHN HIGHFIELD: Jackie Huggins, an elder from the Reconciliation Council speaking to Eleanor Hall.
[recoznet2] rally for mandatory sentencing laws - Adelaide
For those in Adelaide RALLY AGAINST MANDATORY SENTENCING LAWSUrging the Howard Government to Override "States' Rights" for Human RightsWhen: Friday, 25 February, 2000at 12.00 pmWhere: Commonwealth Building100 King William Street, AdelaideOrganised by Adelaide Young Christian Workers' Movement &Adelaide Young Christian Students' MovementAll enquiries: tel. (08) 8231 9540
[recoznet2] letters to the editor
Trudy A short while ago you provided a list of all the email addresses for letters to the editor of various papers. I cannot find which email it was in so could I ask you to send it on again Thanks again for all your help on recoznet Annette
[recoznet2] Opposition criticised for raising sentencing with UN chief
Opposition criticised for raising sentencing with UN chief The Federal Opposition is under fire for raising the issue of mandatory sentencing with the United Nations secretary general Kofi Annan.Mr Annan held talks with Australia's political leaders in Canberra today. ABC AUDIO More calls for the overturning of mandatory sentencing with Alice Spring protest rally: Kirsty O'Brien.Requires Microsoft Media player The Prime Minister's hour long meeting with Mr Annan focused on East Timor, and mandatory sentencing was not discussed.Mr Annan also deflected questions about the issue after the talks.The Opposition leader, Kim Beazley, did broach the subject during his meeting with the UN Chief.He says Mr Annan declined to discuss the issue, but did say he would refer it to the UN human rights commissioner.But the Foreign Affairs Minister, Alexander Downer, says the Australian public will not thank Mr Beazley for running to the United Nations with a domestic political problem."I don't think it does any credit to Australia for the Labor Party to try and politicise the visit of the secretary general," he said.EndorsedMeanwhile, the Northern Territory Chief Minister says the Country Liberal Party's (CLP) central council has unanimously endorsed mandatory sentencing during a weekend meeting.Denis Burke says the party is not conducting any polling on the issue, but believes it still has the support of most voters."[There was an] overwhelming vote in favour at the CLP central council meeting, I believe," he said."There is overwhelming support in the Northern Territory because Territorians understand the issues and understand why the sentencing regime has been brought in."I believe there's majority or more support Australia wide. That's being backed up by National Nine News polls being conducted at the moment because essentially the chattering class are out of touch with the problems of average Australia."RallyAn organiser of a rally against mandatory sentencing in Alice Springs has called on the Territory Chief Minister to prove the laws are not racially discriminatory by jailing him.About 350 people marched to the Dennis Burke's regional office to urge the Government to overturn the laws. Three weeks ago, the Central Australian Youth Justice Coalition's Russell Goldflam demonstrated to a Senate committee inquiring into mandatory sentencing how the laws work.Mr Golflam took a pencil from someone and broke it, constituting a offence which attracts a 14-day sentence.He has today challenged the Chief Minister to have him summonsed over the offences."If he's fair dinkum that these laws apply to everybody then I can't see any reason why me, as a middle class middle aged white fella shouldn't be treated the same way as that poor young fellow up in Darwin whose life has been lost," he said, referring to a youth who died in custody while serving a mandatory sentence.A petition signed by thousands of people calling for the laws to be repealed is being presented to the Territory Government tomorrow
[recoznet2] Educational scholarship negotiated for Aboriginal community
Educational scholarship is negotiated for Aboriginal community Heathgate Resources has confirmed it will contribute towards an educational scholarship fund for the Adnyamathanha Aboriginal community, under a deal negotiated yesterday.Adnyamathanha Lands Council Chairman, Gordon Coulthard, met the operators of Beverley Uranium Mine to raise concerns about anti-uranium protestors and to ensure Aboriginal people receive benefits from any further exploration nearby.He proposed setting up the scholarship fund to help cover the costs of furthering the education of Aboriginal people both in Australia and at overseas institutions.Heathgate's public affairs adviser, Stephen Middleton. says the company is happy to contribute to the educational fund once Royalty payments begin after the mine starts in August."He's been told very clearly that we will help in any way we can, even to the point of providing some additional funding to assist an educational scholarship."
[recoznet2] corruption, collusion, concussion
The latest very disturbing news to come from Goolwa/Kumarangk is that the head of South Australian Aboriginal Security Services, Karno Walker,allegedly went on a violent rampage in the main street of Goolwa yesterday afternoon and attacked four people associated with the protest. One man claims he was punched to the ground outside the post office in front of his partner and small child, he claims he was further attacked while on the ground- and is currently suffering from concussion. Shortly after the first incident (which victims and witnesses claim was dealt with inadequately by Goolwa Police), another man, his partner and her 12 year old daughter claim they were also attacked. The second male victim claims Karno Walker threatened and then attempted to break his hands. Allegedly the man accused of this gutless violence was allowed out on bail and returned to the scene of the second group of assaults (the ferry queue ;mainland side.) immediately after police released him.The first victim and his witnesses claim that Karno was allowed to go back to work after the first attack without a trip to the station or charges being laid, upon returning to work he allegedly committed the next assaults only minutes after Seniour Constable Fisher had spoken with him. Two men recently arrested for scaling the crane on the constuction site have had oppressive bail conditions imposed upon them which state that they cannot attend within 5k's of Goolwa or Hindmarsh Island. These men engaged in non-violent political protest, were invited onto the land by the Ngarrindjeri to assist and support their struggle for justice in this occupied land. How is it that a man can allegedly go on a bashing spree in broad daylight in the main streets of Goolwa, and then be bailed to return to work immediately, while non- violent protesters are refused again and again any variation of their unjust bail restrictions. Are the Goolwa Police simply corrupt or just completely useless? Is non-violent protest to be penalised while violent assault is sanctioned by those paid to serve and protect. We must ask " to serve and protect who?" None of this bullshit suprises me, but it sure does incense me, please, please, please make sure that you write to ombudsmen/women, politicians, police, newspapers ect.and alert them to this latest unjust bias. If we stay silent we are complicit in the oppression of the right to protest, to all you recoznetters who have been following Uncle Kevin's protest at Genocide corner, go down to North Tce and light a candle, stand where the fire was extinguished again and again and help give some message of protest, stand with Uncle Kevin next time the police come to quieten him and douse his fires. The state will continue to assist in the silencing of political protest, the people must not by their apathy, remain complicit in this 'culture of silence' pissed off, Dave.
[recoznet2] KEVin Buzzacott
State government distances itself from protest action The State Government has stressed that the decision to remove the campsite protest from outside Government House this morning was a police operational issue.The acting premier, Rob Kerin, says there has been a degree of public anger over the protest."There were a lot people saying that if that was me I would be in jail for doing what they are doing on North Terrace," he said."We did need to meet that public expectation that something would happen when the law is being broken.""We have done that and we will continue to try to keep good order."Mr Kerin says a hard line will be taken against any attempts to renew the protest at the site."I think we have got to," he said."This is a free society and people have not only got the right of protest, but there are ways and means for people to bring attention to what their concerns are which are legal and they should stick to legal means."
Re: [recoznet2] genocide - senate inquiry
I know that this is very true Ian but as your
email says - 'Freedom is having nothing left to fear.' so we have to keep
trying I guess - and hoping. Or do we?? Is it a waste of our
energy? If / WHEN this legislation gets blocked there must be some
international road to go??/ I am unfortunately pretty ignorant on all this so I
would love to hear some more on the recoznet around it.
Go well
Annette
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Ian Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
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genocide - senate inquiry
Annette,
Unfortunately, the last sentence of you first para. explains why there
will be no hope of getting legislation concerning genocide through the
Parliament whilst a Conservative Government is in power.
Ian
Henderson
Murdoch University24 Harfleur
Place
Murdoch 6150Hamilton
Hill
Tel: 61 8 94183972Western Australia 6163 Fax:61 8
93606575
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'Freedom is having nothing left to
fear.'_
- Original Message -----
From:
David
Sjoberg
To: recoznet
Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2000
9:24
Subject: [recoznet2] genocide -
senate inquiry
There
is a senate inquiry into genocide at the moment - its terms of
reference are below. I have been asked to pass this
information on (from the AUst senate website) widely so as
many people/groups as possible make a submission to the senate
inquiry. These submissions are due on Feb
10th. It is not necessary to include arguements re
AUstralia's own genocide here of our indigenous peoples - just
why AUstralia must change legislation and make genocide
illegal. Then with that legislation in place
indigenous people may have some avenue of legal
redress
The address for the information kit is below and
is worth getting off the net
cheers
Annette
[recoznet2] genocide corner cleared by police
from abc online Police clear city protest camp in dawn swoop The protest site, dubbed "Genocide Corner", set up outside Government House in Adelaide, has been cleared by police and City Council workers. Two people at the site were taken away by police.People protesting on behalf of the Arabunna people from South Australia's far north set up the site to protest against mining by WMC resources at Roxby Downs.At dawn today police and City Council staff moved in on the site on lawns outside Government House on North Terrace.They put out the campfire, and removed all the banners and camping gear while police arrested two people including Kevin Buzzacott, the protest organiser.Len Lyndon, a lawyer working with the protestors says the action is a poor indictment on the Adelaide community.
[recoznet2] senate inquiry II
HI again, I don't want to send the whole genocide bill as an attachment but let me quote a bit of it here - It makes sense why AUstralia has never make it illegal - Our nation is guilty of (a) through to (e) !! Annette genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a distinct group of people including, but not limited to, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, or a group based on gender, sexuality, political affiliation or disability: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
[recoznet2] genocide - senate inquiry
There is a senate inquiry into genocide at the moment - its terms of reference are below. I have been asked to pass this information on (from the AUst senate website) widely so as many people/groups as possible make a submission to the senate inquiry. These submissions are due on Feb 10th. It is not necessary to include arguements re AUstralia's own genocide here of our indigenous peoples - just why AUstralia must change legislation and make genocide illegal. Then with that legislation in place indigenous people may have some avenue of legal redress The address for the information kit is below and is worth getting off the net cheers Annette Senate Legal and Constitutional References Committee INQUIRY INTO THE ANTI-GENOCIDE BILL 1999 Relevant Information Anti-Genocide Bill 1999 TERMS OF REFERENCE On 14 October 1999 the Senate referred the following bill to the Legal and Constitutional References Committee for inquiry and report: Anti-Genocide Bill 1999 As well as the bill, the Committee is also required to consider the following matters: (1) The adequacy of Australia's implementation of the Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and other relevant international obligations, with particular reference to: the formulation of an appropriate definition of genocide; the status of the convention under Australian law, particularly with reference to the decision of the High Court in Ethnic Affairs v Ah Hin Teoh; Minister of State for Immigration and Ethnic Affairs laws in other jurisdictions that have implemented the convention; the appropriateness or otherwise of the retrospective application of the provisions of the bill; the implications of the Federal Court decision on 1 September 1999 in Nulyarimma v Thompson; the extraterritorial application of Australian law, particularly as it may relate to East Timor; and the relationship between Australian and international criminal law enforcement mechanisms for bringing perpetrators of genocide to justice. (2) The committee, in its report, is also required to include suggested draft amendments to the bill. The Committee, which is to report back to the Senate on 30 June 2000 invites interested organisations and individuals to lodge submissions by 10 February 2000 to: The SecretarySenate Legal and Constitutional References CommitteeParliament HouseCanberra ACT 2600 Or by email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submissions may address all or some of the terms of reference. It is expected that hearings will be held after February 2000 and dates of these hearings will be posted on the Committee's internet address (see below). Submissions and proceedings are covered by Parliamentary privilege, and submissions become Committee documents. Persons and organisations making submissions should not release copies without the prior agreement of the Committee. For further information, including an information kit which contains a copy of the bill and explanatory memorandum, please contact the Committee Secretariat by phone (02) 6277 3560, fax (02) 6277 5794 or email, as above. Information kits can also be downloaded from the Internet at www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/legcon_ctte.
[recoznet2] Government seeks meeting with North Terrace protesters
Government seeks meeting with North Terrace protesters The State Government is seeking a meeting with the Aboriginal protesters on North Terrace this afternoon in an attempt to resolve the situation.The government and the Adelaide City Council met this afternoon to clarify the legality of the protesters' campsite.Deputy Premier Rob Kerin says while camping on North Terrace isn't illegal, there are serious safety concerns.Mr Kerin says he'll ask the Arabunna people to meet the government and W-M-C Resources to allow them to air their grievances."One of the problems is that no one is absolutely certain what all the issues are," Mr Kerin said."That seems to be a little bit of a moving feast in some ways."But we'll make every effort to try to get them to table with Western Mining and work through the issues, but to resolve some of those issues is enormous."
[recoznet2] kumarangk
I just got this email from a friend and thought I would send it around - it is a section of David Marr's book - 'The high Price of Heaven'. It is about the hindmarsh Island Bridge: The Hindmarsh Island Bill was designed to silence Aboriginal women who claimed their spiritual life would be compromised by the building of a bridge to a little resort island in the murray. The politics of Hindmarsh were ferocious. A minister fell. Labour eventually supported the legislation. When it was challenged before the High Court, the howard government instructed counsel to argue Canberra had the very widest power to legislate against Aboriginies,-powers as broad as Nazi Germany and South Africa if necessary.Canberra won and so esteblished a legal and political precedent for denying aboriginies protectionwhen white Australia wants something of theirs badly enough. Its the old familiar principle of pre-Mabo Australia: what whites want - whites get. (p. 47,48).
[recoznet2] Aboriginal protest fire re-lit fourth time
Aboriginal protest fire re-lit fourth time The Aboriginal protesters outside Government House in Adelaide have re-lit a ceremonial fire extinguished by police last night, and say it's time the Prime Minister became directly involved in the matter.The protest action, which has been going on for the past 20 days, is over the Arabunna people's claim of genocide by the mining company WMC Resources.This afternoon, Kaurna descendant Joseph Williams re-lit a fire that's been put out by authorities at least three times so far.Mr Willams says the City Council and police handling of the protestors is doing serious damage to the reconciliation process, and it's time for the leader of the nation to step in."Putting out the fires is damaging the reconciliation process (and) it's damaging my civil liberties as an Aboriginal person," Mr Williams said."I've got a right to light this fire on Crown land, when it is a cultural activity," he said."Basically, what I'd like to be able to try to achieve is a direct communication line with the Prime Minister of Australia in regards to native title," Mr Williams said
[recoznet2] Kumarangk protest continues
Bridge protesters vow to breach bail and return Two Hindmarsh Island Bridge protestors, charged after they scaled a crane at the construction site, have vowed to breach their bail conditions and return to Goolwa.Davie Thomason, 50, of Exeter and David Bryan Sjoberg, 36, of Largs North are charged with being unlawfully on premises.Early in December the pair chained themselves to a 30 metre crane on a barge at the construction site, and had to be removed by police after a 14 hour stand-off.In the Christies Beach Magistrates Court today the men applied to have their bail conditions varied so they could visit Goolwa and Hindmarsh Island.A condition of the men's release on bail is that they stay at least five kilometres from Goolwa. But today the men applied for the conditions of their bail be varied to allow them to visit the area.Thomason says he has family on the island, and Sjoberg says he is in the process of moving to the area.The magistrate refused the variations, suggesting the men negotiate with prosecution authorities about the matter before their next court appearance in February.Outside the court, the men said they intended to breach their bail conditions and return to Goolwa.
[recoznet2] Arrabunna vs Adelaide City Council
Move to restrict aboriginal protest The Adelaide City Council hopes to persuade aboriginal protestors outside Government House, to pack up each night.The group is protesting against mining at Olympic Dam, but some members have come under fire for their behavior.Last night, the council voted to take action, and Chief Executive Officer, Jude Munro, says she's confident a compromise can be found."The lord Mayor will be leading a negotiating team with the leaders of the protest group to see whether or not we can achieve the outcome we are wanting to achieve which is a daytime only protest.""And for people to pack up at the end of the day and move on home, or move to other accommodation options."
[recoznet2] Arabunna vs WMC
"Acts of Genocide" action struck out by Supreme Court The Supreme Court in Adelaide has struck out a statement of claim by a representative of the Arubunna aboriginal people, who is attempting to sue the head of WMC for acts of genocide.Aboriginal elder, Kevin Buzzaccott, is suing WMC's Managing Director, Hugh Morgan, over the effects the mining of Arabunna lands, in the north of the State, has had on his people.Justice Bleby today gave Mr Buzzacott two months in which to issue an amended statement of claim.The Arabunna lands house WMC's new $1.94 billion Olympic Dam expansions, opened earlier this year.
[recoznet2] shows on radio national this week
Two shows on radio national that may be of interest ... Go well AnnetteLATE NIGHT LIVE - Crossing the Cultural DivideThursday, December 16, 10pm, repeat, Friday December 17, 4pm (6pm in WA)Noel Tovey is internationally renowned as a theatre director, actor, dancer andchoreographer. Late Night Live spoke with Noel Tovey in 1996, just after he gavethe keynote speech at the opening of the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. Noel'sspeech was significant for two reasons: because he was the first Aborigine toaddress such an important Mardi Gras event and because he spoke with suchpassion and honesty about his life. In this interview, Noel Tovey speaks abouthis childhood and his early years, about being gay and an Aborigine. Also on theprogram, Camilla Cowley, a white pastoralist in South Eastern Queensland, talksabout Wik and reconciliation. Not long after the High Court Wik decision washanded down, Camilla received a letter saying that her family's property wasbeing claimed by the Gunggari people. Like most pastoralists, Camilla wasoutraged, but unlike others, she marched right down to the local Aboriginal LandCouncil and confronted the Gunggari people directly. It was an encounter thatwas to change her life and that of her family forever. AWAYE! - Looking for Johnny WFriday, December 17, 11am, repeat, Saturday, December 18, 6pmJohnny Warangkula is one of a group of Aboriginal artists whose first works areconsidered to be the most important historically, aesthetically and of course,financially. It's their paintings, dating from around 1971, that fetch thehighest prices at auction. Surviving members of the original "Papunya school"are now sought out for new works by curators, dealers and buyers, both here andoverseas. This is a story about a search for the man behind the world recordprice, Johnny W and the million-dollar marketing of thousands of years ofculture
[recoznet2] Hindmarsh Island Bridge
From ABC online news Federal Court action begins over Hindmarsh Island bridge South Australia's Hindmarsh Island Bridge saga is back in court.The developers of the marina on the island, Tom and Wendy Chapman, have begun a Federal Court case against former Federal Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, Robert Tickner, and the Commonwealth Government over the declaration that the bridge should not go ahead because of Aboriginal sites.The developers are suing for losses, and also suing two anthropologists involved in the case, Dr Deanne Fergie and Professor Cheryl Saunders.
[recoznet2] kumarangk protesters
Re: men up the crane in protest at Kumarangk At about 7pm the crane was lowered and the men were released from thehigh-tensile chains with grinders (bolt cutters would not cut the chain)!Men taken to Christies Beach police station. Anyone down that way??? feel free to visit Annette
[recoznet2] protesters at Kumarangk
From ABC on line Hindmarsh Bridge protesters refuse to move Police negotiators have failed to convince two men who have chained themselves to a crane on a barge at Goolwa, south of Adelaide, to give up their protest.The men have been on top of the crane since early this morning.They are believed to be protesting against the construction of the Hindmarsh Island Bridge.Officers from the STAR Division boarded the barge which is being used for the construction of the Hindmarsh Island bridge, but were told by the two men that they are there for the long haul.Regular ferry and local tourism services have not been disrupted despite the protest which began early this morning.Ngarrindjeri Elder, Tom Trevorrow, who is at the protest, says local Aboriginies have stated all along the the bridge is against their cultural and spiritual beliefs.He says all other avenues, to stop construction of the bridge, have been over-ridden."We have tried our best to work in with the law system, the court system in this country.""But it doesn't apply to Aboriginal people's law or beliefs so we have no other choice but to take this type of action."
[recoznet2] Kumajrangk protest
From ABC news online Protesters a Hindmarsh Island Star Division officers have been called to Hindmarsh Island, where two protesters are refusing to climb down from the top of a crane mounted on a barge about 15 metres offshore.They're being supported by about 20 other people on the shore, while more water police have also been sent the location.The police aren't certain why the pair have scaled the crane, but it's believed they are protesting against the planned Hindmarsh Island Bridge.
[recoznet2] Kumarangk fundraiser
Hi can just remind people living in the Adelaide area of two things 1. There is a meeting tonight 6pm at the Pilgrim church in the city (Flinders street) for anyone interested in learning more about, or being further involved in the Kumarangk activities. PLease come along or give me an email if you want to know what is going on. 2. Don't forget the fundaiser THIS SUNDAY a the GOv. THe aunties are coming down and we want to be able to show them there are still people who care and know that this is not over yet! Below are the final details of the show. The Tal-kin-jeri dancers are performing at NOON so don't miss the beginning! Please ring around and let people know Thanks again Annette The BIGGER PICTURE gig SUPPORTING KUMARANGK Sunday December 512 noon – 5 pm at THE GOV59 Port Rd, Hindmarsh performing at noonThe Tal-kin-jeri dancers performing at 4pm The Trade Union Choir and many other speakers, dancers and performers including Uncle Kevin BuzzacottRay Smith Jaiyah RassipThe Kumarangk Mob Annette and Dave And much more!!!
[recoznet2] Native title claims
From ABC online news - Adelaide The State Government has established a negotiating team to broker agreements on Native Title claims between Aboriginal, mining and pastoral groups.Attorney General Trevor Griffin says the team will be given until the end of January 2000 to see if the parties are willing to negotiate.He says there are more than 20 native title claims from Aboriginal groups, and if they all go through the Courts system the costs will be exorbitant."We estimate there'll be tens of millions of dollars if not over a hundred million dollars worth of cost to the State alone in going through the legal processes dealing with Native Title claims," Mr Griffin said."Whereas if we can deal with it in this way through a negotiating team we hope that we'll be able to negotiate some agreements which will set some standarts within which farmers, miners, and Aboriginal groups can operate."
[recoznet2] fundraiser for Kumarangk
Ngarrindjeri Fundraising STOP THE HINDMARSH ISLAND BRIDGE Sisters and Brothers standing together When: Sunday December 5 12 noon – 5 pm Where: Governor Hindmarsh Hotel 59 Port Road, Hindmarsh (Adelaide) (opposite Entertainment centre) A great collection of speakers and performers!!
[recoznet2] Kumarangk
Re: the continuing protest at Kumarangk. I was at a meeting tonight of interested people - wanting to support the action and activities down at Ngarrindjeri Pulgi. We have decided to form small subgroups - information and data-base entry / education / fundraising / media / direct action If anyone is interested in the goings on of these groups and willing to be involved please contact me (for starters) Anyone at all interested (in the Adelaide area) come along to next Thursday's meeting at 6pm at the Pilgrim Church -Flinders Street in the city. It was mentioned at the meeting that in the past this group has been much larger and it was very well organised and set up for the long march, and other activities. We need to get moving again now. I quote Sandra Kanck, Deputy Leader of the Democrats in S.A. in her speech in parliment concerning the Hindmarsh Island Bill 1999 () " one of the Ngarrindjeri elders, Maggie Jacobs, spoke at the meeting and said that, although construction of the bridge might begin, it will never be completed. I hope she is right" Annette Flanagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone (08) 8248 6052
[recoznet2] Kumarangk - Proclamation
Below is a copy of the proclamation that Matt Rigney read out at Kumarangk on Sunday November 21, as the Ngarrindjeri flag was raised for the first time. It was a moving moment and one that will hopefully have repercussions now in this battle for justice.It has lost some of its layout as I have transfered it to here, so if anyone wants it sent as an attachment - let me know. Annette * * * PROCLAMATION Of Ngarrindjeri DOMINIUM TO THE NON-ABORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF “THE STATE OF SOUTH AUSTRALIA” Greetings! 1. WHEREAS by statute assented to in 1834 the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain proposed to declare certain lands wrongly presumed by Preamble to be “waste and unoccupied” in a “province of South Australia” to be established without notice to its Indigenous inhabitant proprietors, to be “open to purchase by British subjects” upon its establishment [s.6, South Australia Act 4&5 William IV, cap.95,]; 2. WHEREAS in December 1835 at London, the South Australian Colonizing Commission denied on behalf of the promoters of the said Province “this declaration of the legislature as absolutely rebutting, the title of any aboriginal inhabitants of the proposed Colony to the occupation of the Soil” [C.O.13/3]; 3. WHEREAS on 6 January 1836 at London, the South Australian Colonizing Commission agreed to submit “arrangements for purchasing the lands of the natives” of “the province of South Australia” to the Colonial Office at the request by letter of the Secretary of State for the Colonies, Lord Glenelg; 4. WHEREAS in their First Report to the Parliament of the said United Kingdom the South Australian Colonizing Commission agreed that “the locations of the colonists will be conducted on the principle of securing to the natives [sic] their proprietary right to the soil’- so as to require cession of any territory to be “perfectly voluntary”[First Annual Report of the South Australian Colonizing Commissioners, House of Commons, 1836 Sessional Papers 36 No. 491, 39 No.426, pp. 8-9]; 5. WHEREAS the said arrangements proposed that the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain allow the opening for public sale in England of “those lands uninhabited or not in the occupation and enjoyment of the Native race” in “the province of South Australia”, 6. WHEREAS the said arrangements proposed that – “should the Natives occupying or enjoying any lands comprised within the surveys directed by the Colonial Commissioner not surrender their right to such lands by a voluntary sale”, Then in that case the Colonizing Commissioners have two duties, namely: ONE [The first Duty] “to secure to the Natives the full and undisturbed occupation or enjoyment of those lands”, and TWO [The Second Duty] “to afford them legal redress against depredations and trespasses”; 7. WHEREAS by Letters Patent of 1836 issued to Governor Hindmarsh in London the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain purported to allow the said Colonizing Commissioner to begin embarking British subjects upon certain commercial terms on ships and sail for South Australia on condition ‘that nothing in these Letters Patent contained shall effect or be construed to effect the rights of any aboriginal Natives of the said province to the actual occupation or enjoyment in their persons or in the persons of their descendants of any lands now actually occupied or enjoyed by such Natives” [C.O. 13/3] 8. WHEREAS clause 34 of the Instruction to the Resident Colonizing Commissioner guaranteed that – “no lands which the natives may possess in occupation or enjoyment be offered for sale until previously ceded by the natives” [The Select Committee on the Aborigines, Report, 19 September 1860, Legislative Council of the Parliament of South Australia, p.5]; 9. WHEREAS clause 35 of the said Instructions to the Resident Colonizing Commissioner required that – “the aborigines are not disturbed in the enjoyment of the lands over which they may possess proprietary rights, and of which they are not disposed to make a voluntary sale” and required “evidence of the faithful fulfillment of the bargains or treaties which you may effect with the aborigines for the cessation of lands” [op.cit.] NOW TAKE NOTICE THAT NGARRINDJERI HAVE ALWAYS OCCUPIED THIS PLACE NGARRINDJERI HAVE NEVER CEDED NOT SOLD THIS LAND. Accordingly I, Matt Rigney of Ngarrindjeri, having been properly authorised in the Ngarrindjeri way to make this proclamation on behalf of all Ngarrindjeri, do hereby declare and proclaim this place and this land as shown on the attached map of the Lands Titles Office of the State of South Australia and delineated as D28145 of the Hundred of Nangkita, and all Crown Land appurtenant thereto, including all waters, foreshore and riverbed thereof, is now and always has been occupied by Ngarrindjeri. THEREFORE WE HUMBLY REQUIRE THAT YOUR CROWN FORTHWITH RECOGNISE THE DOMINIUM OF NGARRINDJER IN THE SOIL, AS IS THEIR ORIGINAL RIGHT AND DOMINION EVIDENCED
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Kumarangk
Hi all,
I have just read over the account of the
Goolwa meeting that Dean has put up (thanks Dean) and I am
wondering if anyone can give me a rundown on the events around
this "bridge" . I know bits of this history but it
would help me greatly in my discussions with people to be far more
educated about this. SO who can help me out here?
Thanks
Annette Flanagan
[recoznet2] Kumarangk
Hi all, I have just read over the account of the Goolwa meeting that Dean has put up (thanks Dean) and I am wondering if anyone can give me a rundown on the events around this "bridge" . I know bits of this history but it would help me greatly in my discussions with people to be far more educated about this. SO who can help me out here? Thanks Annette Flanagan
[recoznet2] THAT BRIDGE
Great Dean - Now who should open the Kumarangk protest: Johnie Howard or the Queen??? Annette F.
Re: [recoznet2] New start...
I don't post here often either - in fact I never have! This is under my husband's name but he is down at Kumarangk and has been for the last week and a half since they started to build THAT bridge.I am tempted to say a few words re Laurie's comments but it seems pointless to me to continue using this forum which, it is my understanding is for information re: indigenous and other related issues and educated debate ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, not attacks on each other. What I do want to tell you is that there is a call for solidarity and practical help from the Ngarrindjeri community down at Kumarangk. THey are asking us to give all the time we can to be present at the site - there is NO bridge as yet! There is a big weekend planned for November 20 21. We are invited to be present there the whole of the weekend or any part we can make it. There will be a flyer sent out soon but I just wanted to let you know some information to tell as MANY people as you can to keep that weekend free. If you are coming from interstate - we can set up accomodation from here and as I said there is camping at Ngarrindjeri Pulgi on the island, available for the whole week end. This will be on the flyer: post it as many places as you can cheers Annette Flanagan Protect our culture Protect our heritage Protect our world STOP THE BRIDGE In the name of respect, understanding, conciliation and our world, the Ngarrindjeri invites all people to walk and talk with us on November 20, 1999 in solidarity. 10.30am Gather at Amelia park ( just near ferry) 11.00am protest walk and smoking ceremony afternoon speeches atr Amelia park byo lunch and drinks then we will walk from Amelia park to Kumarangk - Ngarrindjeri Pulgi. Sunday 21 November 11am Gather at Amelia park - walk to Kumarangk for Ngarrindjeri reclaiming ceremony Then onto Ngarrindjeri Pulgi for family celebration and preparation and planning for the big event! For any more information contact Tom Trevorrow - 0409961933 or wK: 0885 751557 Matt Rigney 08 8269 1011 -Original Message- From: Frac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, 8 November 1999 1:20 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] New start... >Hello all, > >I don't post here often, but I always read with great interest all of the >time. The issue of no or yes on the referendum really hasn't anything to do >with the artificial lines drawn by Laurie contra Trudy. What it has to do >with, folks, is constitutional revision itself. For godsakes; this country >doesn't even have a bill of rights that protects free speech and many other >important rights. Who cares about the queen or the republic in and of >itself? If you can't guarantee basic human rights, including rights to >health, land, shelter, clothing, food, etc., then what the hell difference >does it make HOW you voted on the referendum? It makes NO difference at >all...zip, zilch, nil, and none! Now live with it! DEAL! Because of the >vote, you'll doff yer caps to the queen whether you like it or not and >hopefully, by the time the next referendum rears its sad little head, you'll >pay attention to what REALYY matters in this baby country. Get over it for >chrissakes!!! > >Suzie > >>"We are urging people to vote 'no' at the coming referendum. It is not >>because we support the monarchy, far from it. It is because we believe >>some fundamental unfinished business needs to be sorted out between >>Australians and Aborigines before Australia feels free to go off, so to >>speak, to deal with the sumpolism of the Republic. The type of outstanding >>issues involves constitutional questions such as whether Aborigines have >>the right to self-determination or a right to enter into a treaty." > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner
Re: [recoznet2] Ngarrindjeri Corroboree and other news
I was down at Raukkan for the Ngarrindjeri community's corroborree it was a brilliant weekend which was a celebration of Aboriginal cultures and an inspiration for all those fighting for justice in this land. Matt Rigney made some announcements at the end of the weekend with regards to the Kumarangk battle; there is a meeting with politicians at parliament house at 8.45 on tuesday 26th Oct for 11th hour talks as the Liberals are about to cover their arses with legislation that will allow the commencement of construction of the bridge on Wednesday 27th. Matt Rigney called for support on 6the steps of parliament house on tuesday morning and also asks people to come to Goolwa on Wednesday morning to oppose the bridges construction. I hope those who can will attend both of these important political occasions, Dave. -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, 23 October 1999 10:51 Subject: [recoznet2] Ngarrindjeri Corroboree and other news >Forwarded from Christine Howes: > >1. Ngarrindjeri Corroboree and other news > >Ngarrindjeri Ngrilkulun Centenary Corroboree at Raukkan, (October 23-24) > >This week a meeting of Ngarrindjeri people and supporters was informed >that >the Hindmarsh Island Bridge legislation in State parliament includes >validation of the 'original' deed/tripartitite agreement for the >building >of a bridge to Kumarangk (Hindmarsh Island). > >Apparently the Government wants the 'bridge business' over and done with > >asap. Watch for 'developments'. > > > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Speeches on the Motion
Thankyou Trudy and Rod for your unceasing committment to this issue, I won't take up the offer for copies of speeches as I'm sure they would only serve to anger me further. This conflagration about words for a preamble, is a beautiful smokescreen for little Johnnie and his ilk. As we have experienced too often, the pathetic political grandstanding of politicians speeches (read :campaign soliloquies), rarely address the heart of the matter, I find their vacuous words far too tedious to contemplate. For me,The fact that the preamble is not actually part of the constitution takes the interest out of this debate. I can't get excited about little Johnnie doing the soft-shoe shuffle about the preamble, trying desperately not to say anything that might undermine his next election campaign, when there is no intelligent political discussion of legislative change that would address SUBSTANTIVE citizenship for Australia's First peoples. As others have mentioned what is the point in expressing "personal sorrow" or "sincere regret" for those abducted from their homes, while simultaneously opposing claims for compensation from the very people that little Johnnie would have accept this token of regret, this insincere lie? Dispossession and genocide continue while we waffle on about little Johnnie and reconciliation. Many consider reconciliation a sell-out, a sick joke, while sovereignty , land rights and substantive citizenship are ignored. Where's the fucking treaty? shove your apologies! An abject apology with little Johnnie laying prostrate before the nation might be amusing, but would not be worth jack-shit while structural white priviledge remains as solid and exclusive as ever. Try telling a young Indigenous boy in an adults jail that little Johnnie is gonna make it all up to him. Aden Ridgeway has the chance to make some noise , an opportunity to make little Johnnie listen to an Indigenous voice in parliament, however I fear that acquiescence to little Johnnie's insulting bullshit is not the voice I was hoping to hear. Dave. -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, 27 August 1999 10:08 Subject: [recoznet2] Speeches on the Motion > >I have a copy of all the speeches made on the Motion of regret: >Howard >Beazley >Anderson >Melham >Ruddock >Snowdon >Andren (reserved the right to speak) > >It is very interesting reading and brings home in no uncertain terms that this >so-called 'regret' has less to do with regret than it has to do with Howard's >political time-table and a notch as another "Howard Achievement" >Some of the speeches are inspiring and give hope that understanding does exist. > >Contact me for copies of all or parts. > >Trudy > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Tent Embassy eviction!
What a classic! "The Authority" has always ignored , 'dispersed', removed First peoples. I wonder if the NCA spokeswoman can see the irony of locating herself in a "public health standpoint "in order to silence protest that is requesting Govrnment to address many issues, not the least of which is 'health' . The "Authority" no doubt see the coming millenium celebrations as just another reason to continue the denial of Indigenous reality in this land . All the more reason to support/attend visible protest during a period of international media scrutiny directed at the Olympics, Millenium celebrations ect. -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, 7 August 1999 10:35 Subject: [recoznet2] Tent Embassy eviction! >The Daily Telegraph > > Aboriginal Tent Embassy eviction > > 7aug99 > > ABORIGINAL protesters have been served an eviction notice to > dismantle their Tent Embassy outside Old Parliament House. > > The National Capital Authority says Australian Federal Police will be > ordered to drag away the ramshackle buses and lean-tos that make > up the embassy if protesters do not. > > The notice was served under the Trespass on Commonwealth Land > Ordinance. Protesters can be prosecuted and fined $550. > > "We've been trying to hold discussions and negotiations with the > group of protesters to find a conciliatory solution," a spokeswoman > for the NCA said. > > "But they haven't responded to our requests, so we've served > them with a notice to either meet with us to discuss the removal of > the illegal structures and vehicles dumped there or to do it > themselves. > > "It's a serious problem for the Authority, both for our duty of care > and from a public health standpoint. > > "We have the authority to request the AFP remove the structures if > they don't comply." > > Tent Embassy protest leader Ray Swan was unavailable for > comment yesterday. > > > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Fw: [recoznet2] About the Latham/Pearson speeches
-Original Message- From: David Sjoberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, 5 August 1999 9:29 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] About the Latham/Pearson speeches >Yes please and G'day ...Im Dave Sjoberg new subsciber thanks for the info >,D. >-Original Message- >From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thursday, 5 August 1999 10:00 >Subject: [recoznet2] About the Latham/Pearson speeches > > >> >>Would those who want a copy of the Latham/Pearson speeches please email me >off >>the list? We don't want to take up people's mailbox space or the archives >for >>that matter. >> >>Thank you, >> >>Trudy >> >>--- >>RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archive.com/ >>To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the >body >>of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >>This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without >permission from the >>copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and >research under the "fair >>use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed >further without >>permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." >> >>RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Fw: [recoznet2] Elkedra
-Original Message- From: David Sjoberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, 5 August 1999 9:52 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Elkedra >Well said Susanne, continued genocide and unending colonialism take on many >guises, but outright war is not over in Australia, the drive-by shooting of >11 houses in Redfern last year received little or no media coverage, no >paper or TV station in Adelaide covered it does anyone remember hearing >about this terrorism, reconciliation will remain a political football , a >sellout ,a bad joke until we address peoples contemporary lived experience >and cease to perpetuate the lie that is Australia through this sort of media >censorship, >Dave > >PS I have some invader ancestors who owned Elkedra station in the >Territory,could you please fill me in on the useage of Elkedra in 'bush >terms'? Dave >-Original Message- >From: webweave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thursday, 5 August 1999 11:54 >Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Elkedra > > >>all 'sides' are looking inward and searching for 'origins' and 'identities' >it >>seems >>let's not diminish any energies in our respective searches, by confronting >>eachother with our different levels of understanding and information about >'our >>past' and it is 'our past' >>- ie a shared past, with sh*tty bits on all 'sides' - more has stuck to >some >>than others >>which is why 'we' today are having to deal with it now so that children can >>settle and a sovereign peoples can thrive, no matter 'who' they are OR >'where' >>they 'come from' >> >>indigozians 'were herded' and are still being 'herded' today >>- redfern gentrified and the indig population forced out thru high 'rents' >>among other things >>- bulldozing the block in redfern is specific eg - homes - what the people >who >>live there want, not to be moved to 'somewhere else', they have already >come >>from somewhere else to the block, or moved back and will be moved on no >more >> >>everyone looking for their 'roots' has the privilege of staying still long >>enough to begin the search, and energy enough to fight with eachother >> >>others are still too mobile and tired to fight - the one resident left in a >>street, may be consumed by thoughts of where they are going to rather than >>coming from >>- she is fighting for her future as well as her past and present >>only the depth varies >> >>the practice of herding - moving groups from here to there or just away >from >>'here' - regardless of method eg guns/bulldozers/high rents/company lore/ >>progress/equal pay/common lore etc - is the 'dispersal of communities' - >>experienced by country youth now as well - 'forces' have had consequences >that >>result in die back of towns and before that - indig communities >> >>- redfern's gentrification is equivalent in consequence to 'ethnic >cleansing' >>of particular areas of other cities around the world where religion or >party >>dominate >>in redfern and surry hills and ... 'the most violent' consumption of >>neighbourhoods continues to occur - total obliteration of the existing >>community to build a new one as need arises - regardless, of what, or who, >is >>in front of, or driving, the 'bulldozer' it seems >>- in bush terms - elkedra - 'gentrification' is the exclusion of >indigozians >>from their neighbourhood ie those willing to be most violent consumers of >>neighbourhoods by making them 'their own' - fenced off, then thrown off >again >>when equal pay was raised and now and imprisoned for tresspass in a >national >>forest etc >> >>THERE IS NO PLACE FOR INDIGOZ AND MANY NONINDIGOZIANS TO WALK WITHOUT >THREAT OF >>REMOVAL OR CHALLENGE >> >>CENSORSHIP ON SPEAKOUTS OCCUR TO EITHER IGNORE THE FACTS OR MAKE IT >PALITABLE >>ENOUGH FOR SOME TO EVEN THINK ABOUT READING OR SIGNING OR MARCHING >> >>what's in a word? >>indigozians 'come from' here = not ethnic so not 'ethnic cleansing' >>indigozians 'come from' here = so not 'refugee' >>indigozians 'come from' here = but not from english speaking background - >no >>interpreters >>indigozians 'come from' here = but are not all 'land/property/home owners&
Re: [recoznet2] Elkedra
Well said Susanne, continued genocide and unending colonialism take on many guises, but outright war is not over in Australia, the drive-by shooting of 11 houses in Redfern last year received little or no media coverage, no paper or TV station in Adelaide covered it does anyone remember hearing about this terrorism, reconciliation will remain a political football , a sellout ,a bad joke until we address peoples contemporary lived experience and cease to perpetuate the lie that is Australia through this sort of media censorship, Dave PS I have some invader ancestors who owned Elkedra station in the Territory,could you please fill me in on the useage of Elkedra in 'bush terms'? Dave -Original Message- From: webweave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, 5 August 1999 11:54 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Elkedra >all 'sides' are looking inward and searching for 'origins' and 'identities' it >seems >let's not diminish any energies in our respective searches, by confronting >eachother with our different levels of understanding and information about 'our >past' and it is 'our past' >- ie a shared past, with sh*tty bits on all 'sides' - more has stuck to some >than others >which is why 'we' today are having to deal with it now so that children can >settle and a sovereign peoples can thrive, no matter 'who' they are OR 'where' >they 'come from' > >indigozians 'were herded' and are still being 'herded' today >- redfern gentrified and the indig population forced out thru high 'rents' >among other things >- bulldozing the block in redfern is specific eg - homes - what the people who >live there want, not to be moved to 'somewhere else', they have already come >from somewhere else to the block, or moved back and will be moved on no more > >everyone looking for their 'roots' has the privilege of staying still long >enough to begin the search, and energy enough to fight with eachother > >others are still too mobile and tired to fight - the one resident left in a >street, may be consumed by thoughts of where they are going to rather than >coming from >- she is fighting for her future as well as her past and present >only the depth varies > >the practice of herding - moving groups from here to there or just away from >'here' - regardless of method eg guns/bulldozers/high rents/company lore/ >progress/equal pay/common lore etc - is the 'dispersal of communities' - >experienced by country youth now as well - 'forces' have had consequences that >result in die back of towns and before that - indig communities > >- redfern's gentrification is equivalent in consequence to 'ethnic cleansing' >of particular areas of other cities around the world where religion or party >dominate >in redfern and surry hills and ... 'the most violent' consumption of >neighbourhoods continues to occur - total obliteration of the existing >community to build a new one as need arises - regardless, of what, or who, is >in front of, or driving, the 'bulldozer' it seems >- in bush terms - elkedra - 'gentrification' is the exclusion of indigozians >from their neighbourhood ie those willing to be most violent consumers of >neighbourhoods by making them 'their own' - fenced off, then thrown off again >when equal pay was raised and now and imprisoned for tresspass in a national >forest etc > >THERE IS NO PLACE FOR INDIGOZ AND MANY NONINDIGOZIANS TO WALK WITHOUT THREAT OF >REMOVAL OR CHALLENGE > >CENSORSHIP ON SPEAKOUTS OCCUR TO EITHER IGNORE THE FACTS OR MAKE IT PALITABLE >ENOUGH FOR SOME TO EVEN THINK ABOUT READING OR SIGNING OR MARCHING > >what's in a word? >indigozians 'come from' here = not ethnic so not 'ethnic cleansing' >indigozians 'come from' here = so not 'refugee' >indigozians 'come from' here = but not from english speaking background - no >interpreters >indigozians 'come from' here = but are not all 'land/property/home owners' >indigozians 'come from' here = so not terra nullius >indigozians 'come from' here = but not = sovereign selves >that's what's in a word > >manyozians 'come from' here = but do not know their origins >many others don't know where they are headed >cheers >susanne > > > > > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ ---
Re: [recoznet2] About the Latham/Pearson speeches
Yes please and G'day ...Im Dave Sjoberg new subsciber thanks for the info ,D. -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, 5 August 1999 10:00 Subject: [recoznet2] About the Latham/Pearson speeches > >Would those who want a copy of the Latham/Pearson speeches please email me off >the list? We don't want to take up people's mailbox space or the archives for >that matter. > >Thank you, > >Trudy > >--- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Kumarangk - Another speech of Tom Trevorrow's
Thanks Dean for Tom's speech. I would be happy to read any others that you have. Annette -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, 18 November 1999 10:12 Subject: [recoznet2] Kumarangk - Another speech of Tom Trevorrow's >For those who asked about more Ngarrindjeri commentary: > >Another speech of Tom's that may be helpful > >KUMARANGK >KNOWN TO MANY AS HINDMARSH ISLAND > >Am I liar, fabricator or a hindrance if I say that my people and I known as the Ngarrindjeri occupied the Land and Waters of the River Murray, Lakes and Coorong Region over many thousand generations, over many thousand years. > >Am I liar, fabricator or a Hindrance if I say that over thousands of years my people developed Cultural and Spiritual beliefs between themselves, the land, the waters, the trees, the fish, animals and the heaven. > >My friends, I have said it before, and I will say it again, my people and I are not Liars or Fabricators, therefore it seems to us that we must be a Hindrance to certain people. > >We must be a Hindrance, because we see and feel the land as a living thing, like our own bodies and we respect the land and strongly believe that certain parts of the land should not be interfered with because it is like interfering with your own body, because everything is connected, the earth, the waters, the trees, the heaven. > >We must be a Hindrance, because we see and feel for certain parts of the land and waters which our Ancestral Beings created, told the stories and the Law and our Elders carried out the important Cultural, Environmental Ceremonies. > >From these important Cultural Ceremonies we are told and taught to respect. We are told and taught that the land is a living thing, we must respect it. > >We are told and taught that the waters are a life giving source we must respect and protect. > >We are told and taught that the animals, birds, trees, fish and plants are our food source [that] we must respect and protect. > >We are told and taught that the animals, birds, trees, fish are our totems to each clan group within the Ngarrindjeri Nation; we must care for their land and waters. We must respect and protect. > >We are told and taught that ceremonial places for men, and ceremonial places for women, are connected with the land, waters and heavens; we must respect and protect. > >We are taught to respect and protect through our knowledge, and also through a belief which we call our Mee-Wee. Our Mee-Wee is a gift which is given to us at birth and is a sense which is mainly felt in the stomach. It tells us what is good and what is bad. It tells us what is right and what is wrong. > >But I tell you friends it tears at your heart and mind and makes you very sick inside your stomach when your Cultural and Spiritual beliefs are questioned by authorities in charge of this Country. > >Who can't understand, or refuse to understand, and we have people who become experts of us and our Culture through reading books written by other experts who learned by reading books written by other experts. I wonder how many of these experts lived upon the land with my people, ate their food, drank their water, and took their time to gain their respect and a real understanding of my people's Culture and Beliefs and relationship to the Land and Waters? > >Then I wonder if they did would it have made any difference in the past or today? > >People must stop and think: Why is there soil erosion? Why is there salinity? Why is there so many animals, birds and plants that are extinct? Why is there changing weather patterns? Why is the rivers and lakes drying up and becoming polluted? Why is the Coorong dying? Why is the Murray Mouth silting up? Why is there so much severe health problems and sickness around? Seems to me, and my people and many other people that there is very little desire to respect and protect. > >Maybe a bridge from Goolwa to Kumarangk (Hindmarsh Island) might solve some of the se problems and provide a healthy Environment for our future generations in this Country. I think not. > >In closing it leaves us no option but to say that we must be a Hindrance to this money making development Culture which chooses to develop on places which are Culturally and Environmentally significant to us and maybe this is why we are classified as Liars, Fabricators, and anti-developers, which I say again, we are not. > >All I can say is that my people are sorry that our Cultural and Spiritual Beliefs and Heritage is built into the land, the waters, the trees, the birds, fish and animals and the heaven, and we are sorry that it conflicts with some peoples' Culture who like to change and develop certain parts of the Environment which are very significant to our Cultural and Spiritual beliefs, but this is our belief, this is our life, and I thank those who understand us, believe in us, support us and know that this is rig
