Subject: Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Pramathesh Ambasta]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:57:03AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:

It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office 
documents
can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue 
exists
Try it out at home first
with some typical documents that your office uses and see what 
happens.
I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my 
home
desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.

This is unbelievable. I have used OO to import all kinds of excel 
and word documents and export presentations in powerpoint format 
and it does a great job.
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Re: Cannot Mount Thumbdrive and Zip250 at the sametime

[CM Miller]

> 
> mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip 

>>This should work. Check that the partition on the
zip >>drive is
>>really sda4 by running the command "fdisk -l
/dev/sda" .

The zip250 drive mounts aok, it is the thumbdrive that
doesn't.  

> For the thumdrive, I use the following: 
> mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/thumbdrive 

>>This won't work. For one thing, the sd?? devices
>>indicates scsi
>>drives. For another /dev/sda is not a partition but
a >>disk.
>>You will not be able to mount it.

>>Emmanuel

So what do I have to do to get this sucker to work?  I
haven't found much info. out on the web to do it.  But
what I had before worked and now that the zip mounts,
the thumbdrive doesn't. 

thanks

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Re: domain auth

[Beast]

At 10:39 PM 12/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>> ldap = is it proven techology for this purpose?
>> 
>
>   LDAP is a general purpose thing now, you can really put anything in
>LDAP. LDAP from companies such as Sun (Sun ONE Directory Server) have
>extra plugins and if you don't mind using one of those the licensing is
>ultra cheap I think it was $1 for upto 100,000 licenses. It has some
>"plugins" to do some things like NT passwd syncs etc etc. It works with
>RH 7.2/7.3 I haven't tried it on 8.0 though.
>
>   So LDAP is quite a proven technology, by extension its the software
>that plugs in which you should question, SAMBA is quite reliable for
>this and with LDAP its quite portable. You will have to compile the
>SAMBA software for use as the RH one is not LDAP-aware or not compiled
>with LDAP switches.
>
>> I just wondering what are the auth model/directory service used by large
>> company with *nix environment.
>
>   Well I know that many people prior to using LDAP/NIS/NIS+ and may still
>use the /etc/passwd system as well as the smbpasswd systems to deal with
>such things. Sun has a product that they give out for free like SAMBA I
>have no clue if it runs on Linux or is a purely Solaris things but I
>guess that people (I for one) have started to use and give LDAP serious
>thought as its back to centralized services, LDAP replicates well so you
>are in good shape.
>
>   Large companies with a large user base would find such technologies
>useful, I know HP/Compaq use LDAP for instance to do alot of things in
>their backend. Useful !

Aly,

Thank for your clear response. now it seems ldap was the best choice, the
next questions :)
1. What is 'standart' file sharing? nfs, smb/samba or any other?

2. Currently we have MS Exchange installed, user was using mapi which give
good full list of recipient. i think we can achieve it using ldap, even
user have to search first. exchange were made it simple and make user very
lazy to type :(
what is better replacement or 'standart' way to access mailbox? imap pop3
or any other?


>
>   Cheers,
>
>   Aly.

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Re: domain auth

[Aly Dharshi]

Hello !

On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 04:06, Beast wrote:

> Currently what im thinking was nis, samba and ldap (using openldap)
> nis = seem mature, is it worth in today environment?

NIS/NIS+ is a dying model, soon you will see Sun even doing LDAP
instead of NIS/NIS+ that is the way to go today. You can integrate a
whole bunch of applications into LDAP like mail, web, imap, pop, ftp to
name a few for instance.

> samba = if we will move all client to linux, is it usefull to use auth
> model which was not linux 'native' auth.

Well when I suggested pGINA I know that the systems that would be
affect would be the Win2000/XP Pro really nothing to do with the LDAP
side of things per se. You can use these quite effectively with SAMBA to
do a wide variety of things. pGINA uses a Unix "PAM" equivalent in
Microsoft from MS, this would be a better way to go right, all you need
is an LDAP server setup to the authentication and reduces the need for a
PDC and BDC, and you can use SAMBA to do some more interesting things
for your organization.

> ldap = is it proven techology for this purpose?
> 

LDAP is a general purpose thing now, you can really put anything in
LDAP. LDAP from companies such as Sun (Sun ONE Directory Server) have
extra plugins and if you don't mind using one of those the licensing is
ultra cheap I think it was $1 for upto 100,000 licenses. It has some
"plugins" to do some things like NT passwd syncs etc etc. It works with
RH 7.2/7.3 I haven't tried it on 8.0 though.

So LDAP is quite a proven technology, by extension its the software
that plugs in which you should question, SAMBA is quite reliable for
this and with LDAP its quite portable. You will have to compile the
SAMBA software for use as the RH one is not LDAP-aware or not compiled
with LDAP switches.

> I just wondering what are the auth model/directory service used by large
> company with *nix environment.

Well I know that many people prior to using LDAP/NIS/NIS+ and may still
use the /etc/passwd system as well as the smbpasswd systems to deal with
such things. Sun has a product that they give out for free like SAMBA I
have no clue if it runs on Linux or is a purely Solaris things but I
guess that people (I for one) have started to use and give LDAP serious
thought as its back to centralized services, LDAP replicates well so you
are in good shape.

Large companies with a large user base would find such technologies
useful, I know HP/Compaq use LDAP for instance to do alot of things in
their backend. Useful !

Cheers,

Aly.


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Re: domain auth

[Beast]

At 08:49 PM 12/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Depends on what you want to be doing, I mean that there is LDAP
>authentication that would be useful for certain/most tasks, using Samba
>and LDAP would be a wonderful way to do some things like NT
>Authentication.
>
>De facto would be /etc/passwd style but since you want to be central in
>account and resource management you would want to look at LDAP, NIS/NIS+
>or something of the sort, LDAP is a good solution. Also look at pGINA
>modules a simple google search would yeild the desired results, you can
>authenticate to a backend LDAP server directly without the need for
>SAMBA to do the authentication as a PDC.

Currently what im thinking was nis, samba and ldap (using openldap)
nis = seem mature, is it worth in today environment?
samba = if we will move all client to linux, is it usefull to use auth
model which was not linux 'native' auth.
ldap = is it proven techology for this purpose?

I just wondering what are the auth model/directory service used by large
company with *nix environment.
Tks.

>
>   Cheers,
>
>   Aly.
>




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Re: domain auth

[Aly Dharshi]

Depends on what you want to be doing, I mean that there is LDAP
authentication that would be useful for certain/most tasks, using Samba
and LDAP would be a wonderful way to do some things like NT
Authentication.

De facto would be /etc/passwd style but since you want to be central in
account and resource management you would want to look at LDAP, NIS/NIS+
or something of the sort, LDAP is a good solution. Also look at pGINA
modules a simple google search would yeild the desired results, you can
authenticate to a backend LDAP server directly without the need for
SAMBA to do the authentication as a PDC.

Cheers,

Aly.

On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 03:12, Beast wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> recently we're trying moving from window nt network to linux. we have
> arround 800-1000 pc client.
> 1. what are my options to replace ntdomain authentiation?
> 2. what is de facto standard to maintain account in *nix world?
> TIA.
> 
> 
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Re: curious about bash script invocation variations

[Cameron Simpson]

On 07:42 20 Dec 2002, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|   from the man page for bash, when you run a script normally,
| it runs as a non-login, non-interactive script.  but with
| one or more options, you can run it as a login script, an
| interactive script, or both (options being some combination
| of -l or --login, -i, etc.)
| 
|   running it in one of these ways will get the script to
| possibly consult the startup files like /etc/profile,
| .bash_profile or .bashrc.
| 
|   fair enough, but under what circumstances would someone
| *want* to consult any of those startup or config files when
| running a script?

For a script, pretty much never.  Why would you when you can just
". $HOME/.bash_profile" if that's really what you want.

Those option exist to turn stuff on and off at will.  For example, if
you're firing up a "login" shell for someone (real programs just exec()
bash with a leading "-" in argv[0], which is the standard way for all
UNIX shells).

BUT ...

|   so i guess the question is, what are the reasonable
| circumstances where someone would *want* to run a script
| as a login or interactive (barring scripts that might be
| explicitly written to run only at login time).

Well, as a login shell? Me, never.
But interactive? Often.

An extended real world example follows.

Look at these scripts:

http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/scripts/slaves
http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/scripts/rslaves

and these shell functions which use them:

# make some slaves
enslave()
{ [ $# = 0 ] \
  && { if [ -n "$_slavefd" ]
   then  echo "Current slaves: $_slaves."
   else  echo "No slaves."
   fi
   return 0
 }

  [ -n "$_slavefd" ] && { echo "You already have a slave on fd $_slavefd 
[$_slaves]" >&2
  echo "Free it with unslave()." >&2
  return 1
}

  [ -n "$DISPLAY" ] || { echo "No \$DISPLAY! Can't pop slave terminals!" >&2
 return 1
   }

  _slavepipe=`pipecmd rslaves -t "$@"` || return 1
  _slaves=$*
  exec 8>"$_slavepipe"
  _slavefd=8
}
# dispatch command to the slaves
slave:()
{ [ -n "$_slavefd" ] || { echo "No slave!" >&2; return 1; }
  eval "echo \"set -x; \$*; set +x\" >&$_slavefd"
}
# free the slaves
unslave()
{ [ -n "$_slavefd" ] || { echo "Nothing slaved." >&2; return 1; }
  eval "exec $_slavefd>&-"
  _slavefd=
}
# zsh preexec unction with hook to pass command to "slave:" function
preexec()
{ ttyl "$1"
  [ -n "$_slavefd" ] && slave: "$3"
}

which are part of my shell setup.

Basicly, slaves is a generic "copy stdin to a bunch of other things"
script.  rslaves does that to remote shells on other machines.

Example use: I keep home and work directory trees in sync with rsync.
Very efficient. But if I _rearrange_ things (eg move a big directory from
one spot to another) rather than just make new files then rsync sees a
huge new directory to copy. So for big moves I do them in both places.

So I type "enslave work", at home. That neatly pops up a small window
with a shell at work. From then on, any command I type at home is run
both at home and at work. So I can cd around and move stuff, and it's done
at both ends _exactly_ the same way without possibility of error.
Neat eh?

BUT, because stdin is not a tty for the ssh connection, the shell at
the far end is not interactive. Now, I don't _really_ want a tty at
the far end; I'm sending _post_ typing stuff down there, which could be
misinterpreted. But I do want prompts and most of the other interactive
trappings (eg a failed "cd" doesn't about the shell, etc).

And so I invoke the remote shell with the "-i" option (in the rslaves
script), which gets me prompts and also the .bashrc (well, .zshrc for me,
but you get the idea) so that my usual shell functions and aliases are
also in force.

There are other similar circumstances one may imagine - this is just
the one I have been using recently.

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domain auth

[Beast]

Hi all,

recently we're trying moving from window nt network to linux. we have
arround 800-1000 pc client.
1. what are my options to replace ntdomain authentiation?
2. what is de facto standard to maintain account in *nix world?
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RE: file utility

[Bret Hughes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 19:23, James D. Parra wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you for the reply, but that is to list users and not for a group.
> Didn't see anything in the man page covering listing for groups.
> 

That is a very nice answer to a pretty terse respnse of mine. 
Especially when I did not even answer the question asked.  

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Re: Modem

[Ben Logan]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 10:47:59AM -0600, Gibbs, Martin D. wrote:
> Would anyone have tips on how to get a modem to work in Linux? Its a
> modem I installed a packaged driver for, and ran, but I still cannot
> get Linux to recognize that it's there to use.

Martin,

What is the exact model of your modem?

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RE: file utility

[James D. Parra]

Thank you for the reply, but that is to list users and not for a group.
Didn't see anything in the man page covering listing for groups.

~James 


-Original Message-
From: Bret Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: file utility


On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 14:10, James D. Parra wrote:
> This looks very useful. Is there a switch for "lsof" that will show only
> files for a particular group ID?
> 
> ~James


Lets see how do you say that?  Oh yeah, RTFM.

>From the man page for lsof

  -u s This option selects the listing of files for  the
user  whose login names or user ID numbers are in
the comma-separated set s  -  e.g.,  ``abe'',  or
``548,root''.   (There should be no spaces in the
set.)

Multiple login  names  or  user  ID  numbers  are
joined  in a single ORed set before participating
in AND option selection.

If a login name or user ID is preceded by a  `^',
it  becomes a negation - i.e., files of processes
owned by the login name or user ID will never  be
listed.   A  negated login name or user ID selec-
tion is neither ANDed nor ORed with other  selec-
tions;  it is applied before all other selections
and absolutely excludes the listing of the  files
of  the  process.  For example, to direct lsof to
exclude the listing of files  belonging  to  root
processes, specify ``-u^root'' or ``-u^0''.

There is a lot you can do to get what you want from lsof

HTH

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Solved: CRC ERROR on boot from CD (psyche)

[Here and There]

Hello,
Sorry about that, folks.  Apparently the message
referred to means that there is a bad stick of RAM in
your computer.  (tried install on another -> worked;
tried swapping RAM on problem -> works now).

Thanks!

Michael

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wrote:
> Hello,
> Following the "boot:" prompt (at which I press
> Enter)
> when booting off the first of the Red Hat 8.0 5-CD
> set, (after "booting vmlinuz..", etc.) after the
> first screen clears, the following appears at the
> top
> of the cleared screen:
> ===
> Uncompressing Linux ... 
> 
> crc error
> 
>  -- System halted
> 
> ===
> The CD from which I was booting had just previously
> completed an install of RH8.0.  I then had to
> reinstall, but a gcompat file had a problem or
> something, so I tried again and I am now
> consistently
> getting this error.
> I then tried burning another CD from the downloaded
> image, which produced the same error.
> Again, the image downloaded was used to sucessfully
> install once and did pass the media test, as did the
> rest of the 5-CD set.
> 
> Any idea what is causing this or what is wrong here?
> 
> A quick reply would be helpful as I have until this
> sunday afternoon to install a MySQL webserver.
> 
> Michael
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RE: Mozilla

[Chris Mason]

Title: Message



KDE 
3.1 includes a kiosk mode, that should be in release in January. As I understand 
it, there are lots of configuration options for running in kiosk 
mode.

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
  Behalf Of IS DepartmentSent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:51 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  Mozilla
  I have 4 RH 8.0 clients. All I want them to do be 
  able to do is act as web browsers, 
  that is when the user logs on I would like to 
  fire up Mozilla. It would be nice if nothing 
  else was available for the user to run(these 
  machines will be public use internet stations)
  Anybody out there have any ideas?  
  Thanks 

Re: Web Server inside firewall

[Cliff Wells]

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 17:17, Andy Elacion, Jr. wrote:
> Goody day.
> 
> I set-up a firewall in our office, it has has 2 NIC.  I remove the daemon
> that I do not need, basically, it's a plain linux installation.
> 
> The network configuration is, eth0 is facing internet and eth1 is facing
> secured network.  My question is this:
> 
> How do I forward web packe to our secured web server from Fwall using
> ipchains?

Take a look at shorewall:

http://www.shorewall.net

No GUI required.  I run it on a small network here (less than 10 users)
on a Pentium 100 with 48MB RAM (Redhat 7.2) so we can all share a single
DSL connection.  Easy to setup (by editing text files in /etc/shorewall)
and works flawlessly.  Forwarding a particular port to another server is
a one line change.

However, that being said, you are about to commit a huge security snafu
(If I am understanding your setup).  Do not set up a web server inside
your network that is visible to the Internet.  Put the web server in a
DMZ.  If the web server gets hacked and it's on your internal network,
the intruder suddenly has an open route to every PC on your LAN.

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Re: remote X Window

[Jack Bowling]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 04:07:38PM -0500, Hong Tian wrote:
> I did the followings but it didn't work:
> 
> At Linux box:
> linux_hostname# xhost +solaris_hostname
> solaris_hostname being added to access control list
> linux_hostname# telnet solaris_hostname  
> solaris_hostname# bash
> solaris_hostname# export DISPLAY=linux_hostname:0.0
> solaris_hostname# xterm
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: linux_hostname:0.0

You may be interpreting our commands too literally: solaris_hostname and
linux_hostname should be replaced by the *actual* hostnames of both
machines.



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RE: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Fred Paredes]

I have used it myself at work and I was able open our documents without any issues. I 
used the Windows Version of Open Office.
Thanks
Fred
 
-Original Message- 
From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Fri 12/20/2002 2:13 PM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)



On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:18:16AM -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:57:03AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> > It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
> > can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
> > in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
> > with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
> > I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
> > desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.
>
> How very strange.  I've not been using it in production, but I did run it
> through its paces on some of my nastier Word docs, and it had no problems.
>
> Is there something strange you're doing WRT normal Word usage--exotic
> plugins for manual generation, or somesuch?

Nope.  My documents were fairly basic with tables and graphics.  A few
different fonts and formatting features but no plug-ins nor macros.

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CRC ERROR on boot from CD (psyche)

[Here and There]

Hello,
Following the "boot:" prompt (at which I press Enter)
when booting off the first of the Red Hat 8.0 5-CD
set, (after "booting vmlinuz..", etc.) after the
first screen clears, the following appears at the top
of the cleared screen:
===
Uncompressing Linux ... 

crc error

 -- System halted

===
The CD from which I was booting had just previously
completed an install of RH8.0.  I then had to
reinstall, but a gcompat file had a problem or
something, so I tried again and I am now consistently
getting this error.
I then tried burning another CD from the downloaded
image, which produced the same error.
Again, the image downloaded was used to sucessfully
install once and did pass the media test, as did the
rest of the 5-CD set.

Any idea what is causing this or what is wrong here?

A quick reply would be helpful as I have until this
sunday afternoon to install a MySQL webserver.

Michael

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RE: Unable to telnet to redhat 6.2

[Engstrom_Carl]

Here's 
what I would doThere's probably a more Unix way to do this, but I not a very 
Unix type of guy.
 
1) 
Make sure that you can ping the address from the client.  If yes, then move 
to next step...otherwise fix...
 
2) 
Make sure that Telnet is set to run at startup.  Type "ntsysv" at the 
prompt and make sure that there is a check next to telnet...for that matter, 
make sure that telnet is listed. (If it's not listed, then it needs to be 
installed).  You should reboot after fixing this...you don't have to 
reboot...there is a command to restart the inits, but I always forget it, so I 
just reboot...
 
3) 
>From your Linux system type "Telnet" Just to see if that end is 
working.
 
4) If 
you still can't telnet to the system...then...make like 4 attempts to telnet in 
a row...to make a clear log trail.
 
5) Go 
to the Linux system and type "tail /var/log/messages"  If you get messages 
about dropped packets, you probably have a firewall running and blocking 
telnet.
 
6) 
type "tail /var/log/secure" and see if the sessions is opening correctly.  
It should show lines that talk about telnet opening etc... If it's being denied, 
you might have libwrap running, like I do, in which case you need to edit your 
hosts.allow file.
 
My 
hope is that something here will work for you.  If it were me and I still 
had issues, I'd probably try reloading the telnet RPM module.  Again...I'm 
not a Unix guy...
 
By the 
way...you probably already know that ssh is a MUCH, MUCH better way to access 
your system remotely...It's secure, has all the same stuff as telnet and it's 
secure...but most importantly...IT'S SECURE!  Start it up the same way you 
start telnet (its sshd) and then connect to it using the free client called 
Putty.  You should probably get putty anyway for the telnet 
connections...it's the right thing to do.
 
carl

  -Original Message-From: Gift Admin 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 
  2002 12:07 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Unable 
  to telnet to redhat 6.2
  Hi all,
    I am trying to telnet from windows 95 
  machine to the redhat machine. Can any body tell me what i have to do 
  telnet.
  Thanks
  karunakar

Re: Unable to telnet to redhat 6.2

[Bret Hughes]

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 02:07, Gift Admin wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I am trying to telnet from windows 95 machine to the redhat machine. Can any body 
>tell me what i have to do telnet.
> Thanks
> karunakar

First make sure that telnet-server is installed and running on the RHL
box

rpm -qa|grep telnet

should show a telnet-server or somthing like that (I don't have it
installed)

the rest depends on what version of redhat you are running.

Tip:  don't bother with telnet go download putty and use ssh to connect
to the RHL box.  It is also a telnet client. 

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fuzzy cursor

[Hidong Kim]

Hi,

I'm having a problem with my text cursor, the little thing that looks 
like the cross-section of an I-beam.  All of the sudden, there's a fuzzy 
 shadow around it, like on the mouse in Windows 2000.  My desktop is 
xfce-3.8.18.  I just noticed it today.  I checked on our other machines 
running xfce-3.8.18, and their cursors look sharp.  Except for the 
cursor, everything else in the display of this one machine looks fine. 
How do I get rid of this shadow?  I've tried quitting X, and logging out 
and logging back in, but the shadow remains.  I don't want to reboot 
this machine.  Thanks,



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Re: Unable to telnet to redhat 6.2

[Anthony Abby]

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 03:07, Gift Admin wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I am trying to telnet from windows 95 machine to the redhat machine. Can any body 
>tell me what i have to do telnet.
> Thanks
> karunakar


Well I honestly can't recall if windows95 had a telnet client, but if it
does... open up a dos prompt... 

type

telnet ip-addess (replace this with the ip you're trying to connect to)

You should get a prompt for a username and password... log in..
congrats.

I'd use ssh though telnet is non-secure.

Anthony



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Unable to telnet to redhat 6.2

[Gift Admin]

Hi all,
  I am trying to telnet from windows 95 
machine to the redhat machine. Can any body tell me what i have to do 
telnet.
Thanks
karunakar

Linux & Common Criteria

[Kirby, Wayne (EMA/ISF)]

Hi List. I am researching my practical for SANS GSEC and am trying to find
out if a Common Criteria (ISO 17779) exist for any distribution of LINUX. As
you should be able to tell, I am just beginning to dabble in LINUX. Any help
will be greatly appreciated. TIA

 <<...OLE_Obj...>> 
R. Wayne Kirby
Eagan, McAllister Assoc., Inc.
Senior Computer Specialist
MCP+I, MCSE, CCNA
NMCI Information Strike Force

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boot fails on loopback init

[Glen E. Moore]

I have been away from the list for a while and away from linux in 
general, so I need to be refreshed on some technical issues.  I bought 
the $200.00 7.2 box set and everything worked except my cdplay for audio 
cd's.  I wanted to try Mandrake, so I downloaded 9.0 and installed it 
(all of this is on a Sony VAIO GRX-570 laptop).  I still couldn't play 
audio cd's (not the issue here).  I downloaded rh8.0, because I didn't 
like some of the absence of features with the Mandrake release.  I've 
installed rh8.0 on the Sony VAIO, and for the first time, I can't boot 
my system, unless I go into interactive and say 'n' to network and 
pcmcia (pcmcia not the issue here, either).  Incidentally, I'm having to 
post from windows, since my network is not functioning in linux, and I'm 
not liking it at all, since I  never use windows, except in emergencies. 
Now to the point.

As I recall, I did not enable network start at boot during the install. 
I selected dhcp, and thought that I could start the network after boot, 
because I  hate waiting for the network timeout when I'm not ethenet 
connected.  When I boot and don't interactively bypass network startup, 
my system hangs on starting loopback.  It just sits there indefinitely. 
If I say 'n' to network startup and later bypass pcmcia (not what I'm 
interested in here), my system boots fine and I start kde (no problem 
except sound).  I check my hardware using control center and it shows my 
intel etherexpress pro 100 etherenet card with the correct module 
installed and /dev/eth as the device.  

I don't know much about /dev, but there is no eth* device there.  Other 
tests I ran showed that my system doesn't have eth(anything).  dmesg 
doesn't show any ethernet devices configured(but then again, I bypassed 
the network startup).  I have ifcfg-etho and ifcfg-lo in my 
network-scripts directory.  I  don't run devfs.  Should there  be an 
eth0 in /dev? It's not there.  locate eth0 yields nothing.

Forgive my ignorance, here.  I will send more info, once I know what you 
need.

Confused without grace,

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Web Server inside firewall

[Andy Elacion, Jr.]

Goody day.

I set-up a firewall in our office, it has has 2 NIC.  I remove the daemon
that I do not need, basically, it's a plain linux installation.

The network configuration is, eth0 is facing internet and eth1 is facing
secured network.  My question is this:

How do I forward web packe to our secured web server from Fwall using
ipchains?

  internet
   |
+---+--+
| Fwall   |
+---+--+
   |
+---+---+
| Secured|
| Web  |
| Server  |
+---+---+

Thanks,
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CREATE NEW mouse function: how do I modify it?

[Rob Tanner]

Hi,

I would like to tailor the CREATE NEW function on the mouse.  Is there a 
config file somewhere that I can edit, or a tool like the menu editor that 
I can use?

Thanks,
Rob

  _ _ _ _   __ _ _ _ _
 /\_\_\_\_\/\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\
/\/_/_/_/_/   /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/  QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT,
   /\/_/__\/_/ __/\/_//\/_/  PROFUNDUM VIDITUR
  /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\  /\/_//\/_/
 /\/_/ \/_/  /\/_/_/\/_//\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin
 \/_/  \/_/  \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/  appears profound)

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ibm serveraid 3hb

[z]

Anyone using the IBM Serveraid 3HB out there? I'm curious which (rh 
stock) kernels people have had luck combining with the 5.11 driver.

z



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Re: easy installation

[David Colburn]

> At my own company, our internal web site does not display properly in
> Mozilla/Netscape.  We've talked to our webmaster, and he simply says
> that IE is the company standard and to go away.  One day our CIO was
> doing a demo and fired up Netscape, only to have it screw up.  The web
> site is still broken to this day and this is a few years later.

As a former computer systems manager (CIO) my response is that your CIO
should be fired.  The fix is easy, the tools available for free on the
Internet, and the failure to build a cross-browser compatible Web site
evidence of gross incompetence.

> IE is where it's at, and if we can't be bug for bug compatible, then
> we're not going to achieve world domination.  
> -- 
> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

IE once was a minority browser and given its security weaknesses and 
other design flaws it will be once again.  If we merely surrender to 
junk then we are doomed to more of it.

Meanwhile, we do need to map around the flaws, yet still shout and 
publicize them loudly so consumers are aware of the flaws and the 
alternatives.

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RE: Help with RH 8.0 and VNC Solution

[Jerry Hubbard]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 00:45, Jerry Hubbard wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 20:13, Matthews, John wrote:
> > 
> > I'm unfamiliar with the exact behavior of vnc in RH8.0. I tend to use VNC
> > I've compiled and installed myself, as such I frequently encounter the
> > problem your running into.  My ~/.vnc/xstartup file generally executes "twm
> > &" or "gnome-session &".  


A member of a local user group found the following solution. It is
simple and works great.

The following is his message to me.

"A Google search on "vncserver" and "blank" yields many links.  And this
one

http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/gnome-2-snapshots/2002-September/000370.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/3pix

offers a workaround:  add a line "unset SESSION_MANAGER" before the
"exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" line in your ~/.vnc/xstartup file.

I tried it, and it seems to work.

W G
w@.net"

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Horrible video display

[Martin Marques]

On Vie 20 Dic 2002 11:07, Thierry ITTY wrote:
> A while ago I had problems with pointers on X
> A tried to add an option "hardware cursor" or "software cursor" or
> something like that in the X config file, which solved the problem
> maybe it's a clue which could help you...

This didn't help. I'm really puzzled with this problem.

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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Ed Wilts]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:18:16AM -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:57:03AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> > It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
> > can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
> > in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
> > with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
> > I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
> > desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.
> 
> How very strange.  I've not been using it in production, but I did run it
> through its paces on some of my nastier Word docs, and it had no problems.
> 
> Is there something strange you're doing WRT normal Word usage--exotic
> plugins for manual generation, or somesuch?

Nope.  My documents were fairly basic with tables and graphics.  A few
different fonts and formatting features but no plug-ins nor macros.

.../Ed
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Re: cdrecord

[Josep M.]

Hello.

I use cdrecord in a 80GB HD DRIVE with an older HP8100 4x2x24x without any problem.

Josep


Begin of Quote David P. Giffen :
>Can cdrecord be used by non-SCSI drives. All the documentation shows samples for 
>SCSI. If it can what is the proper sytanx? I have been using
>cdrecord dev=/de/hdc 



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Re: cdrecord

[Samuel Flory]

David P. Giffen wrote:


Can cdrecord be used by non-SCSI drives. All the documentation shows 
samples for SCSI. If it can what is the proper sytanx? I have been using
cdrecord dev=/de/hdc 


 Cdrecord only works on scsi devices.  If you have a ide cdr you need 
to enable scsi emulation on that device.  In either lilo.conf, or 
grub.conf put a =ide-scsi option.  Then use the correct scsi 
device.

Example cdrom hdc, and grub:
timeout=10
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.18-18.8.0)
   root (hd0,0)
   kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-18.8.0 ro root=/dev/md0  hdc=ide-scsi
   initrd /initrd-2.4.18-18.8.0.img 
^^

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Re: KDE screensavers don't work in 8.0

[j_post]

On Friday 20 December 2002 03:10 pm, you wrote:
>
> I once read a tip from Redhat:
> "You can fix this by creating the following directories under
> $HOME/.kde/share/applnk-redhat: System/ScreenSavers Then copy/link all
> files from /usr/share/apps/kscreensaver/ScreenSavers You may also have
> to do the same for the files above the ScreenSavers directory."
>
> Regards,
> Aad

Yes, I'd come across that also. Unfortunately it didn't work. I also copied 
the files to .kde/share/apps/kscreensaver/ScreenSavers as was suggested 
elsewhere. Still no go.

The screen savers run if no windows are active (unless minimized), but if 
*any* window is up (console terminal, kword, whatever), then they don't run. 
The screen freezes (no update of the panel clock), but the screensaver 
doesn't do its thing.

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RE: remote X Window

[Bret Hughes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 15:07, Hong Tian wrote:
> I did the followings but it didn't work:
> 
> At Linux box:
> linux_hostname# xhost +solaris_hostname
> solaris_hostname being added to access control list
> linux_hostname# telnet solaris_hostname  
> solaris_hostname# bash
> solaris_hostname# export DISPLAY=linux_hostname:0.0
> solaris_hostname# xterm
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: linux_hostname:0.0
> 

Now that I look at it I can see that the export command I suggested that
you do was indeed a bashism I am glad you were good enough to recognize
that.

from the loos of the dispay variable is being set properly, and is would
apear that the xhosts on the linux box is setup to authorize the solaris
to use the x server on the linux box.

Couple of stupid qustions now.

You are running X on the linux box, right?

is there a highly restrive firewall running that blocks X connections?
ports around 6100 IIRC.

Can the solaris box resolve the name of the linux box?

now that the linux box should like the solaris box what happens if you
do what you uses to do without opening a bash shell first?

Anything in the logs on either box? 

It has bee a long time since I fought this since I have been running ssh
for three years and it sets up the Xaliasing for me and secure to boot.

I am assuming that ssh is not running on the solaris box or you would
bot be using telnet.  Is that the case?\

Beyond this I am no help,


HTH

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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Manuel Camacho]

Well, I have had problems with complex files all from Excel, Word and PP. 
A common problem are tables of content in Word docs. As we are thinking 
about the transition from MS to Linux, we are setting up our Office 
software to save all next year docs in "more compatible" formats. For 
instance, Word is set up to save by default in rtf format.

So, for 2004, we will be able to change to a Linux compatible office 
suite and reduce the document problems in about 75%.

Best regards,

-Manuel.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:57:03 -0600
Subject: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:
> > On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm
> trying to
> > get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) and if the
> > OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help persuade
> the
> > "people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of dosh for
> rubbish,
> > when we can have a good, free, system.
> 
> It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
> can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue
> exists
> in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
> with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
> I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
> desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.
> 
> -- 
> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
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Problem with Talk configuration

[spj2]

 Hi, 
 
I have problem with Talk Configuration. It gives me an error saying, 
/usr/lib/kde3/libcm_ktalkd-gcc2.96.so: cannot open shared object file:  
No such directory or file 
I tried checking for this file, but it doesn't exist. Can anyone help me with this? 
 
Thanks, 
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RE: remote X Window

[David S. Wilkinson]

What kind of SUN box do you have? is it a SunRay or a desktop system with it's own OS?



Rigler, S C (Steve) wrote:
> Can your sun box resolve "linux_hostname"?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hong Tian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:08 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: remote X Window
> 
> 
> I did the followings but it didn't work:
> 
> At Linux box:
> linux_hostname# xhost +solaris_hostname
> solaris_hostname being added to access control list
> linux_hostname# telnet solaris_hostname  
> solaris_hostname# bash
> solaris_hostname# export DISPLAY=linux_hostname:0.0
> solaris_hostname# xterm
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: linux_hostname:0.0
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rigler, S C (Steve) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: remote X Window
> 
> 
> Make sure the solaris box is allowed to connect to your display.
> 
> Do this with xhost, before you connect or from another terminal window:
> 
> xhost +
> 
> You can verify your access controls by typing "xhost" alone on a line.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hong Tian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:06 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: remote X Window
> 
> 
> I did it again as followings, but still didn't work:
>>From RedHat Linux box:
> $ telnet server_hostname  -> server_hostname is Sun SPARC Solaris machine.
> $ bash
> $ export DISPLAY=local_hostname:0.0
> $ xterm
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: local_hostname:0.0
> 
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Bret Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: remote X Window
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:21, Hong Tian wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I
> 
> tried
> 
>>to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
>>follows:
>>
>>XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
>>package)
>>
>>On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0".
> 
> How
> 
>>should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?
>>
> 
> 
> export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0  should do it
> 
> 
> Bret
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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RE: remote X Window

[Rigler, S C (Steve)]

Can your sun box resolve "linux_hostname"?

-Original Message-
From: Hong Tian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:08 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: remote X Window


I did the followings but it didn't work:

At Linux box:
linux_hostname# xhost +solaris_hostname
solaris_hostname being added to access control list
linux_hostname# telnet solaris_hostname  
solaris_hostname# bash
solaris_hostname# export DISPLAY=linux_hostname:0.0
solaris_hostname# xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: linux_hostname:0.0

-Original Message-
From: Rigler, S C (Steve) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: remote X Window


Make sure the solaris box is allowed to connect to your display.

Do this with xhost, before you connect or from another terminal window:

xhost +

You can verify your access controls by typing "xhost" alone on a line.

-Steve

-Original Message-
From: Hong Tian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:06 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: remote X Window


I did it again as followings, but still didn't work:
>From RedHat Linux box:
$ telnet server_hostname  -> server_hostname is Sun SPARC Solaris machine.
$ bash
$ export DISPLAY=local_hostname:0.0
$ xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: local_hostname:0.0

 
-Original Message-
From: Bret Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: remote X Window


On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:21, Hong Tian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I
tried
> to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
> follows:
> 
> XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
> package)
> 
> On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0".
How
> should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?
> 

export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0  should do it


Bret





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Re: KDE screensavers don't work in 8.0

[Aad Rijnberg]

Hi,

> I recently upgraded a RH7.2 system to 8.0 and can't get the screensavers to 
> work. After much fiddling, I got the screensaver to kick in the *first* time 
> the timeout period expires, but not on subsequent timeouts. Only way to get 
> the screensaver to run again is to restart KDE and wait for the timeout.
>
> Anyone know what the problem is with 8.0 and screensavers?

I once read a tip from Redhat:
"You can fix this by creating the following directories under
$HOME/.kde/share/applnk-redhat: System/ScreenSavers Then copy/link all 
files from /usr/share/apps/kscreensaver/ScreenSavers You may also have
to do the same for the files above the ScreenSavers directory."

Regards,
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RE: remote X Window

[Hong Tian]

I did the followings but it didn't work:

At Linux box:
linux_hostname# xhost +solaris_hostname
solaris_hostname being added to access control list
linux_hostname# telnet solaris_hostname  
solaris_hostname# bash
solaris_hostname# export DISPLAY=linux_hostname:0.0
solaris_hostname# xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: linux_hostname:0.0

-Original Message-
From: Rigler, S C (Steve) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: remote X Window


Make sure the solaris box is allowed to connect to your display.

Do this with xhost, before you connect or from another terminal window:

xhost +

You can verify your access controls by typing "xhost" alone on a line.

-Steve

-Original Message-
From: Hong Tian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:06 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: remote X Window


I did it again as followings, but still didn't work:
>From RedHat Linux box:
$ telnet server_hostname  -> server_hostname is Sun SPARC Solaris machine.
$ bash
$ export DISPLAY=local_hostname:0.0
$ xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: local_hostname:0.0

 
-Original Message-
From: Bret Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: remote X Window


On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:21, Hong Tian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I
tried
> to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
> follows:
> 
> XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
> package)
> 
> On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0".
How
> should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?
> 

export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0  should do it


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Re: linxconf

[Cliff Wells]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 12:02, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2002, Cliff Wells wrote:
> > I think perhaps he's referring to the fact that linuxconf had an
> > alternative text-only interface - you didn't have to run X to use it.
> 
> you're right, i misread.  my bad.  there has been a fair amount
> of grumbling about the lack of non-X based admin tools in recent
> releases of redhat.  i'm wondering if this is going to change,
> given linux's history as a server OS and that it can frequently
> be found in the back room, possibly as a headless server.
> 
> it would seem that a lack of command-line utilities would be
> pretty annoying in that case.

I usually use webmin for such things.  Makes life *much* simpler.  I do
like the new redhat-config stuff for my workstations, but webmin is
essential for servers that aren't running X.

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Re: cdrecord

[Bret Hughes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 14:38, David P. Giffen wrote:
> Can cdrecord be used by non-SCSI drives. All the documentation shows 
> samples for SCSI. If it can what is the proper sytanx? I have been using
> cdrecord dev=/de/hdc 
> 

Seems like there is a scsi -atapi interface that takes care of this.  I
am sure it is int he archives or howtos somewhere.

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RE: file utility

[Bret Hughes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 14:10, James D. Parra wrote:
> This looks very useful. Is there a switch for "lsof" that will show only
> files for a particular group ID?
> 
> ~James


Lets see how do you say that?  Oh yeah, RTFM.

>From the man page for lsof

  -u s This option selects the listing of files for  the
user  whose login names or user ID numbers are in
the comma-separated set s  -  e.g.,  ``abe'',  or
``548,root''.   (There should be no spaces in the
set.)

Multiple login  names  or  user  ID  numbers  are
joined  in a single ORed set before participating
in AND option selection.

If a login name or user ID is preceded by a  `^',
it  becomes a negation - i.e., files of processes
owned by the login name or user ID will never  be
listed.   A  negated login name or user ID selec-
tion is neither ANDed nor ORed with other  selec-
tions;  it is applied before all other selections
and absolutely excludes the listing of the  files
of  the  process.  For example, to direct lsof to
exclude the listing of files  belonging  to  root
processes, specify ``-u^root'' or ``-u^0''.

There is a lot you can do to get what you want from lsof

HTH

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Re: Best browser for kiosk (was: Mozilla)

[Anthony E. Greene]

On 20-Dec-2002/16:58 +, Nick Lindsell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You need to look at the Linux Kiosk project:-
>http://kiosk.mozdev.org/
>
>Basically you get the clients to run init4 by
>default and then fire up X and Mozilla in full screen.
>I've just done such a project and actually found
>Galeon more suitable.

Why Galeon? What other browsers did you try?

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Re: easy installation

[Anthony E. Greene]

On 20-Dec-2002/10:45 -0600, Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:22:23AM -0500, David Colburn wrote:
>> That said, the immediate case of proprietary Web site coding and
>> incompatible font collections seems to be pretty readily addressed.
>> 
>> 1.  Proprietary Web coding: When such a Web site is opened the RH user
>> should receive a pop-up that labels the site defective and recommends an
>> E-mail to the site Webmaster.  An automatic E-mail to some central site
>> that lists such defective Web sites and that dispatches a short list of
>> recommendations to Webmasters to fix their sites should also be built
>> in.
[snip]
>I haven't laughed so hard in quiet a while.  You seem to be making the
>assumption that the webmaster will actually fix the problem!  In
>many/most cases, the webmaster does not have the software necessary to
>test different browsers, and many won't have the time.  After all, IE is
>so dominant that they can ignore the rest and not lose any sleep.

Webmasters might choose to ignore the issue. Managers might not. I try to
send notes like this to sales, marketing or other non-IT folks who have an
interest in potential customers being able to use the site. I point out
that Netscape and Mozilla are available for Windows and are easily
installed. If the incompatibiluity caused me to buy from another vendor, I
make sure to mention that too. Lost sales are not a big issue for
Webmasters, but they are a big deal to line of business types.

It's no guaruntee of action, but you have to start somewhere.


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cdrecord

[David P. Giffen]

Can cdrecord be used by non-SCSI drives. All the documentation shows 
samples for SCSI. If it can what is the proper sytanx? I have been using
cdrecord dev=/de/hdc 



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Re: linxconf

[Robert P. J. Day]

On 20 Dec 2002, Cliff Wells wrote:

> On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 06:22, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > How can I run this redhat-config* from bash mode or do I have to run in
> > > X-windows?
> > 
> > you misunderstand.  when you're in X, you can start any of a 
>      
> > variety of config tools in one of two ways.
> 
> 
> I think perhaps he's referring to the fact that linuxconf had an
> alternative text-only interface - you didn't have to run X to use it.

you're right, i misread.  my bad.  there has been a fair amount
of grumbling about the lack of non-X based admin tools in recent
releases of redhat.  i'm wondering if this is going to change,
given linux's history as a server OS and that it can frequently
be found in the back room, possibly as a headless server.

it would seem that a lack of command-line utilities would be
pretty annoying in that case.

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Re: Red Hat 8 - Instability - AGAIN

[Jonathan Bartlett]

Network card?
RAM manufacturer?

The RAM manufacturer could be it.  Some cheap RAM has minor
incompatibilities with certain mother boards which only show up under
certain circumstances.  With Win98 not being a multiuser OS and not
having a real VM subsystem, it probably just isn't hitting those areas.

Buy Kensington RAM - it's a good brand that's not too expensive.

Jon

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> - Pentium III 450MHz
> - 128 MB Ram
> - 2 HD samsumg ( 8G for RH and 16G for Win98)
> - Mother Board ASUS p2-99
> - FD
> - RW Cdrom
> - Voodoo3
>
>
>
>
>
>   David van Hoose
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>-  AGAIN
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>
>
>   20/12/2002 16:42
>   Favor responder a
>   redhat-list
>
>
>
>
>
>
> By the way, what is your hardware setup?
>
> -David
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Ok.   I apreciate all your advices..   most of all telling me to replace
> >hardware.  I will try to ...starting changing memory.
> >
> >I have to tell you that I love Linux, but sometimes I lose my temper with
> >it. I have dual boot ( RH and Win98 ) and my Win98 is much more stable
> >than RH. They use the same hardware for 3 years (or more), and RH is the
> >only one that hangs !Strange because it suppose be Win98...   :-)))
> >
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Re: easy installation

[Anthony E. Greene]

On 20-Dec-2002/09:15 -0800, j_post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Friday 20 December 2002 07:53 am, you wrote:
>
>> and (a larger) part of the problem is web sites
>> that are designed for IE and nothing else.
>
>Send a nasty-gram to the webmaster informing him/her that the web site is 
>broken ;-)

Send it to a sales or management type, and Cc the Webmaster. Managers need
to know that the tool decisions made by their IT folks are affecting their
customers.


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Re: Red Hat 8 - Instability - AGAIN

[Cliff Wells]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 11:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok.   I apreciate all your advices..   most of all telling me to replace
> hardware.  I will try to ...starting changing memory.
> 
> I have to tell you that I love Linux, but sometimes I lose my temper with
> it. I have dual boot ( RH and Win98 ) and my Win98 is much more stable
> than RH. They use the same hardware for 3 years (or more), and RH is the
> only one that hangs !Strange because it suppose be Win98...   :-)))

Linux pushes the hardware a lot harder than Win98.  I expect if you put
Windows NT/2000/XP on it you'd experience similar problems.  A long time
ago I had motherboards that worked fine with DOS but kernel panicked
with SCO Unix installed; a replacement motherboard from the same
manufacturer worked fine.  Many hardware components are marginal and
will fail when pushed to their limits.  This is common in cheap PCs and
cheap components.  Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.  Sometimes
they work sometimes ;)

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RE: file utility

[James D. Parra]

This looks very useful. Is there a switch for "lsof" that will show only
files for a particular group ID?

~James

-Original Message-
From: Dave Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: file utility


On Friday 20 December 2002 10:49 am, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We have a DOS database application running on RH7.3, on a Samba share
which
> will have about 50 users attaching to it.  Are there any administrative
> tools/utilities available that can tell which files are in use by which
> user, which are locked by whom, and etc?

smbstatus just for samba connections
lsof (list open files) for all on the system

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Re: remote X Window

[Anthony E. Greene]

On 20-Dec-2002/14:06 -0500, Hong Tian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I did it again as followings, but still didn't work:
>>From RedHat Linux box:

$ xhost +server_hostname
>$ telnet server_hostname  -> server_hostname is Sun SPARC Solaris machine.
>$ bash
>$ export DISPLAY=local_hostname:0.0
>$ xterm

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Re: Nvidia Drivers

[Michael Schwendt]

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On 20 Dec 2002 14:45:08 -0500, Wes Reneau wrote:

> I've downloaded and rpm's that were suggested by running NVchooser.sh
> and installed thim as instruced.  However, the kernmel RPM went off
> w/o a hitch but the NVIDIA_GLX-10-4191.i386.rpm would not install. 
> The error follows:
> 
> 
> 
> error: NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm: MD5 digest: BAD Expected
> (fa2883323c16207e30b7fa8cf4e77885) !=
> (4af17a49d593482922346fc076d946e3))
> error: NVIDIA_GLX-1.0_4191.i386.rpm cannot be installed
> 
> Holler if ya hear me!

Download the package again until the integrity check passes
fine. You can check the package yourself with:

  rpm --checksig NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm
or:
  rpm -Kv NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm

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Re: linxconf

[Cliff Wells]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 06:22, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > How can I run this redhat-config* from bash mode or do I have to run in
> > X-windows?
> 
> you misunderstand.  when you're in X, you can start any of a 
     
> variety of config tools in one of two ways.


I think perhaps he's referring to the fact that linuxconf had an
alternative text-only interface - you didn't have to run X to use it.


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Re: Red Hat 8.1?

[sentinel]

FYI.. it's not a matter of why not.  As originally stated, if security is at
stake then I hand roll my own.  Sometimes I just don't wait for them to push
out a patch.  If the patch is already available to download then I say go
for it.  

I do :D


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to do so,recently they did so for Samba and KDE where they provided
clean updates for these packages with serious vulnerabilities.

I feel that there are certain packages that I have to absolutely build
personally to get some fluff out, as well as programs such as Exim et al
are better compiled to do wonderful stuff and leave the extra stuff 
which is not needed out.

I can survived with the build of Apache that they churn out, its okay
for general usage for a GPU (general purpose use) system.



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Nvidia Drivers

[Wes Reneau]

I've downloaded and rpm's that were suggested by running NVchooser.sh
and installed thim as instruced.  However, the kernmel RPM went off w/o
a hitch but the NVIDIA_GLX-10-4191.i386.rpm would not install.  The
error follows:



error: NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm: MD5 digest: BAD Expected
(fa2883323c16207e30b7fa8cf4e77885) !=
(4af17a49d593482922346fc076d946e3))
error: NVIDIA_GLX-1.0_4191.i386.rpm cannot be installed

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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Cliff Wells]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 07:57, Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:
> > On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm trying to
> > get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) and if the
> > OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help persuade the
> > "people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of dosh for rubbish,
> > when we can have a good, free, system.
> 
> It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
> can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
> in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
> with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
> I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
> desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.

I'll toss in my $0.02 and say that I've had good results with
OpenOffice.  Compatibility seems fine (at least as far as basic files
go).  My only complaint is that it starts up so slow (even on my
Athlon XP 1700+ with 256MB DDR).  Almost 30s is far too long to open a
word processor.  I don't recall StarOffice 5.2 being that slow.


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RE: remote X Window

[Rigler, S C (Steve)]

Make sure the solaris box is allowed to connect to your display.

Do this with xhost, before you connect or from another terminal window:

xhost +

You can verify your access controls by typing "xhost" alone on a line.

-Steve

-Original Message-
From: Hong Tian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:06 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: remote X Window


I did it again as followings, but still didn't work:
>From RedHat Linux box:
$ telnet server_hostname  -> server_hostname is Sun SPARC Solaris machine.
$ bash
$ export DISPLAY=local_hostname:0.0
$ xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: local_hostname:0.0

 
-Original Message-
From: Bret Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: remote X Window


On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:21, Hong Tian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I
tried
> to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
> follows:
> 
> XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
> package)
> 
> On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0".
How
> should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?
> 

export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0  should do it


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Re: Newbie: Simple Samba Configuration

[Joe Polk]

Others have pointed you in good directions. I recommend the following: ALWAYS 
turn on encrypted passwords in your conf file. This is far easier to do there 
then in each machine's registry (Windows). Second, install Webmin. It makes 
Samba setup a breeze. This along with the other information provided should 
get you going.

<>

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Sent: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:13:07 -0400
Subject: Newbie: Simple Samba Configuration

> I've tried to install and get samba working twice already and I have 
> no idea what the heck is going wrong, at the same time my PC was re-
> formated so I know all the old configurations are gone. I installed 
> samba-2.2.3a-6 from the redhat 7.3 CDs and want to take another 
> crack at it. I was wondering if either somebody could re-direct me 
> to a VERY SIMPLE, NEWBIED configuration guide for samba or perhaps 
> help me by going through the process step-by-step through an IM 
> client or IRC or something. The second would really be prefered 
> cause I've already found and used two "newbie guides" to samba and 
> both didn't work for me. I don't want anybody to do the work for me, 
> I just want someone to walk me through it and if something goes 
> wrong they can know what steps I took, and what ones I didn't OR if 
> the guides are wrong so I won't make a mistake in the first place.
> 
> As for arrangement of meeting online, just email me back off the 
> list and we can talk about the when and where, I have AIM, Yahoo,
>  ICQ and I'm familiar with IRC... 
> 
> Please help me out, I'd really appreciate it!
> Geoff
> 
> There Are No Stupid Questions "It is better to look foolish for a 
> moment than to be ignorant for a lifetime." -Chinese proverb
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RE: remote X Window

[Hong Tian]

I did it again as followings, but still didn't work:
>From RedHat Linux box:
$ telnet server_hostname  -> server_hostname is Sun SPARC Solaris machine.
$ bash
$ export DISPLAY=local_hostname:0.0
$ xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: local_hostname:0.0

 
-Original Message-
From: Bret Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: remote X Window


On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:21, Hong Tian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I
tried
> to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
> follows:
> 
> XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
> package)
> 
> On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0".
How
> should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?
> 

export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0  should do it


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Re: file utility

[Dave Young]

On Friday 20 December 2002 10:49 am, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We have a DOS database application running on RH7.3, on a Samba share which
> will have about 50 users attaching to it.  Are there any administrative
> tools/utilities available that can tell which files are in use by which
> user, which are locked by whom, and etc?

smbstatus just for samba connections
lsof (list open files) for all on the system

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Re: Red Hat 8 - Instability - AGAIN

[medina]

- Pentium III 450MHz
- 128 MB Ram
- 2 HD samsumg ( 8G for RH and 16G for Win98)
- Mother Board ASUS p2-99
- FD
- RW Cdrom
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By the way, what is your hardware setup?

-David

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>hardware.  I will try to ...starting changing memory.
>
>I have to tell you that I love Linux, but sometimes I lose my temper with
>it. I have dual boot ( RH and Win98 ) and my Win98 is much more stable
>than RH. They use the same hardware for 3 years (or more), and RH is the
>only one that hangs !Strange because it suppose be Win98...   :-)))
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file utility

[James D. Parra]

Hello,

We have a DOS database application running on RH7.3, on a Samba share which
will have about 50 users attaching to it.  Are there any administrative
tools/utilities available that can tell which files are in use by which
user, which are locked by whom, and etc?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

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Re: Red Hat 8 - Instability - AGAIN

[David van Hoose]

By the way, what is your hardware setup?

-David

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Ok.   I apreciate all your advices..   most of all telling me to replace
hardware.  I will try to ...starting changing memory.

I have to tell you that I love Linux, but sometimes I lose my temper with
it. I have dual boot ( RH and Win98 ) and my Win98 is much more stable
than RH. They use the same hardware for 3 years (or more), and RH is the
only one that hangs !Strange because it suppose be Win98...   :-)))

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Squid Problem

[Jake Colman]

With Squid active I am unable to access certain sites such as www.rca.com.
I'd get back a page from Squid stating "connection refused".  Aside from that
my Squid configuration works like a charm.  Any ideas what I should look at?

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Network Connection Problem

[Jake Colman]

I have a very simple SOHO network toplogy consisting of an inexpensive 8-port
hub and cat-5 wiring.  I have a RH 7.2 server and several Win98 machines.
The server has two NICs, one connected to the Internet via a cablemodem and
the other connected to the hub.  The server used iptables to do masqing and
firewalling and everything works like a charm.

However...

Periodically my Win98 systems will lose connectivity to the internet.  When
that happens I can still ping the internet from the server itself but cannot
ping the internet from the Win98 machine.  After a minute or two my Win98
machine will begin working again.

Any idea what might explain this?  Any idea how I can track down what might
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Re: Mozilla

[Jack Bowling]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 04:58:14PM +, Nick Lindsell wrote:
> At 23:50 20/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have 4 RH 8.0 clients. All I want them to do be able to do is act as web 
> >browsers,
> >that is when the user logs on I would like to fire up Mozilla. It would be 
> >nice if nothing
> >else was available for the user to run(these machines will be public use 
> >internet stations)
> >Anybody out there have any ideas?  Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> You need to look at the Linux Kiosk project:-
> http://kiosk.mozdev.org/
> 
> Basically you get the clients to run init4 by
> default and then fire up X and Mozilla in full screen.
> I've just done such a project and actually found
> Galeon more suitable.

Phoenix 0.5 is just a browser. No other bells and whistles. Sounds more
inherently secure than a more full-featured browser/mailer, etc. Has all
the beauty of Mozilla internally but a lot of the cruft has been undone. And it
has some really cool thems, too :-))


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Re: easy installation

[Michael Schwendt]

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On 20 Dec 2002 11:19:40 -0600, Bret Hughes wrote:

> Part of what is being discussed is apples and oranges in a way.  The
> "ease" of windows comes largely from the computer seller loading it
> and making sure the drivers for all the hardware he is selling is
> there.  I have not done a bare metal install of xp or win2000 but I
> can say from very painful experience that win 9x installs can have
> significant issues too.  I imagine that there are issues with the
> newer versions of the OS as well.  

Absolutely true. "Driver installation and reboot hell" belongs to
those issues when, for instance, you install the OS on recent
hardware. Turns you into a disc jockey quite easily.

What a MS Windows user doesn't need to do, though, is getting
tarballs, editing Makefiles and compiling drivers for the correct
kernel version.

Up-to-date packages for the latest Linux distributions, such as can
be found on the NTFS web site at SourceForge, are really helpful.
However, with a new kernel update, the user needs to update the
drivers again or suddenly things stop working. Also, I don't think a
user must know the exact kernel version and kernel package release
version before downloading a driver package.

Still a pain is installation of pre-compiled applications which fail
due to incompatible dependencies. This is a nightmare for the
average user. Same applies to popular apps like Mozilla when
installation of a new version breaks the integration of the older
version (and depending packages) which the distributor has shipped.

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Red Hat 8 - Instability - AGAIN

[medina]

Ok.   I apreciate all your advices..   most of all telling me to replace
hardware.  I will try to ...starting changing memory.

I have to tell you that I love Linux, but sometimes I lose my temper with
it. I have dual boot ( RH and Win98 ) and my Win98 is much more stable
than RH. They use the same hardware for 3 years (or more), and RH is the
only one that hangs !Strange because it suppose be Win98...   :-)))

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Re: iptables and performance issues

[lester lasad]

Thanks for the responses.  Regarding the name resolution is it looking for itself, the local machine?  The command below "iptables -L-n -V" just lists the version of iptables, nothing else.  Doing "iptables -nL" gave a much quicker response.  
The main problem is that everything is slow after loading the rules ( examples:  webmin, vnc, opening a shell, smtp ) Once I disable the rules the performance picks back up.  My intentions are to make this server my SMTP gateway which will be handling thousands of emails on a daily basis and the performance issue after loading iptables is preventing me from deploying this server. Has anyone seen this behavior after enabling iptables?
 Jack Bowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 05:59:23AM -0800, lester lasad wrote:> > I am running redhat 7.3 everything is working properly until loading the iptables rules. After loading the rules I am taking a big performance hit. It can take anywhere from 10 - 30 seconds for my server to display the results of "iptables -L". This wasn't happening prior to the rules being loaded. Trying to open a shell has the same results as well as many other things. > > I am loading the iptables rules from webmin. After disabling the rules using "iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT" and "iptables -F" I no longer have a performance issue. I have included the contents of iptables below. > > *filter> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]> :INPUT DROP [0:0]> :Inbound - [0:0]> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]> -A INPUT -j Inbound> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -m state --state ESTABLIS!
HED -j ACCEPT> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.96.8.96 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.96.8.96 --dport 25 -j ACCEPT> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.96.8.96 --dport 1 -j ACCEPT> -A Inbound -i lo -j ACCEPT> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -j DROP> -A Inbound -p udp -m udp -j DROP> -A Inbound -p icmp -j DROP> COMMIT> # Generated by webmin> *mangle> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]> :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]> :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]> :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]> COMMIT> # Completed> # Generated by webmin> *nat> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]> :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]> :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]> COMMIT> # CompletedPlease change the first ACCEPT rule to ESTABLISHED, RELATED to enableone of the finer abilities of netfilter code.And your problem is undoubtedly name resolution. By making !
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Up2date problem on RH 7.0

[Michael S. Dunsavage]

I ran up2date -l and after it did all it's stuff it died with this:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 382, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 366, in main
sys.exit(batchRun(onlyList, pkgNames))
  File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 138, in batchRun
updated, skipped = up2date.getUpdatedPackageList(printit, percent)
  File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date/up2date.py", line 894, in
getUpdatedPackageList
progressCallback)
  File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date/up2date.py", line 851, in
removeSkipFilesPackagesFromList
if checkModified(h, f_i):
  File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date/up2date.py", line 786, in checkModified
if installedFileMD5s[j] != md5(fileName):
  File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date/up2date.py", line 218, in md5
f = open(fileName, "r")
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/ntp/step-tickers'


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Re: Red Hat 8 - Instability

[Hal Burgiss]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:48:04AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Do you have any tip for me ?

Start replacing hardware.

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Re: Newbie: Simple Samba Configuration

[Patrick]

On the  website of o'reilly you can find a PDF that contains all information to 
configure Samba

Op vrijdag 20 december 2002 16:35, schreef Bret Hughes:
> On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 09:13, Geoffrey Lane wrote:
> > I've tried to install and get samba working twice already and I have no
> > idea what the heck is going wrong, at the same time my PC was re-formated
> > so I know all the old configurations are gone. I installed samba-2.2.3a-6
> > from the redhat 7.3 CDs and want to take another crack at it. I was
> > wondering if either somebody could re-direct me to a VERY SIMPLE, NEWBIED
> > configuration guide for samba or perhaps help me by going through the
> > process step-by-step through an IM client or IRC or something. The second
> > would really be prefered cause I've already found and used two "newbie
> > guides" to samba and both didn't work for me. I don't want anybody to do
> > the work for me, I just want someone to walk me through it and if
> > something goes wrong they can know what steps I took, and what ones I
> > didn't OR if the guides are wrong so I won't make a mistake in the first
> > place.
>
> I hear your frustration in the tomne of your email.  Hang in there.  It
> works.
>
> Why don't you give it a stab and then get back with specific problems.
> Red hat has a decent doc to get you started at :
>
> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/ch-sam
>ba.html
>
> Are you wanting to attach windows machines to a linux server or trying
> to mount a share and/or use a printer from the Linux box that is on a
> windows box.
>
> what version of windows are we talking?
>
> I my experience, the thing that gives the most problem is the encrypted
> passwords.  Setting this up correctly is in the document refered to
> above.
>
> You will need to ask specific questions.  I am sure we can get you
> going.
>
>
> Bret

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Re: Red Hat 8.1?

[Aly Dharshi]

Yes why not ? Its their responsibility as a vendor who provides updates
to do so,recently they did so for Samba and KDE where they provided
clean updates for these packages with serious vulnerabilities.

I feel that there are certain packages that I have to absolutely build
personally to get some fluff out, as well as programs such as Exim et al
are better compiled to do wonderful stuff and leave the extra stuff 
which is not needed out.

I can survived with the build of Apache that they churn out, its okay
for general usage for a GPU (general purpose use) system.

Cheers,

Aly.

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 08:40, sentinel wrote:
> Hold on a second...
> 
> You wait for RedHat to provide a package update?
> 
> If security is paramount (in most cases it is), then why not hand roll your
> own binaries?  I've had CERT advisories come down, check the vender site (no
> patch available yet they say), I download the source and build my own.
> 
> Most of the vulnerabilities are in the products you run.  SSH, SSL, Apache
> had a couple and so on.  
> 
> 
> Sure packages are easier.  If you have alot of systems to upgrade then read
> the RPM HOWTO, build your own package and push it out.  Very easy.
> 
> Regards
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> Since Red Hat has announced an effective end-of-life of Dec 31, 2003 for
> > 8.0, they have forced themselves to release early.  If they wait until 6
> > months after October - which would be March - they've forced all the
> > customers into a corner.  An OS install of the latest version (8.0 in
> > March) would only be supported for 9 months.  I realize they want to
> > sell Advanced Server, but this is IMHO blackmail.  As a business user of
> > Red Hat Linux, I'm going to have to seriously consider retiring Red Hat
> > Linux since I can't go without security updates 9 months after an
> > install.  I've still got mostly 6.2 systems in production and I can't
> > upgrade all my systems every 6-9 months.  It just is not going to
> > happen - the manpower simply isn't there.
> 
> 
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Re: easy installation

[Bret Hughes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:51, Michael Schwendt wrote:
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> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:53:55 -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> 
> > > Also, they knocked linux for having bad fonts when web surfing.  But
> > > at sourceforge.net there's a way to get microsoft's fonts.  Just
> > > search for fonts and it should be near the top.
> > 
> > They're absolutely right.  Out of the box, Linux sucks for a web
> > surfer compared to Windows.  The user is forced to go through some
> > extra steps just to get fonts that make a web site look decent. 
> > Should a user who just picked up a copy of Red Hat Linux at the local
> > CompUSA have to go to Sourceforge and search for fonts just to display
> > his favorite web site properly? I'll argue that they should not.  I'll
> > also support the argument that it's not completely Red Hat's fault -
> > part of the problem lies in the fact that we're dealing with free
> > software and nobody wants to pay to license fonts, and (a larger) part
> > of the problem is web sites that are designed for IE and nothing else.
> 
> The list of things the user needs to download from web sites is not
> limited to TT fonts. Add Real Player, Flash plug-in, ALSA driver,
> NVIDIA driver, Java, (NTFS drivers). Worse, installing those
> components often involves several manual steps in addition to
> locating them on the Internet. Compare that to the Microsoft way of
> semi-automatic download and installation via a small EXE and/or
> Wizard.
> 


Part of what is being discussed is apples and oranges in a way.  The
"ease" of windows comes largely from the computer seller loading it and
making sure the drivers for all the hardware he is selling is there.  I
have not done a bare metal install of xp or win2000 but I can say from
very painful experience that win 9x installs can have significant issues
too.  I imagine that there are issues with the newer versions of the OS
as well.  

Vender support is also a major factor.  If I had to guess I would say
that MS does not write most of the drivers for the specialized
hardware.  The vendor does and MS includes it.  Be interesting to know
what it takes to get your driver in the os.

MS has done a good job of including all sorts of bells and whistles and
eye candy that the typical user apprently thinks is "cool".  and since
they have the overwhelming majority of the desktops that is what becomes
the defacto standard.

With patent issues around mpg formats and who nows what else, vendors
like redhat are in a difficult situation.  I imagine that the licensing
is per machine that uses the software and not per unit of software
sold.  Since redhat has no way to know how many machines are actually
running the software, The lawyers must be doing backflips over lots of
issues.

Of course I hope it will come back and bite the IP holders in the ass as
systems migrate to open source solutions for things like audio file
formats and the patent sits in a drawer unused.  MS has done this sort
of thing a lot and they get paid for all there stuff. Wasn't the MS
develpoment of all those now ubiqutious ttf fonts we are moaning about
as a result of being unable to come to terms with Adobe on thiers?

The economic model is changing significantly and it is going to be very
interesting to see what folks do to to adapt or die.

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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Dave Ihnat]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:57:03AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
> can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
> in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
> with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
> I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
> desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.

How very strange.  I've not been using it in production, but I did run it
through its paces on some of my nastier Word docs, and it had no problems.

Is there something strange you're doing WRT normal Word usage--exotic
plugins for manual generation, or somesuch?
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Re: easy installation

[j_post]

On Friday 20 December 2002 07:53 am, you wrote:

> and (a larger) part of the problem is web sites
> that are designed for IE and nothing else.

Send a nasty-gram to the webmaster informing him/her that the web site is 
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Re: Mozilla

[Christopher Henderson]

Use another more minimal window manager then Gnome or KDE and I believe
in the .xinitrc (sp?) file in the user directory you can list what other
apps you want to launch when startx is initialized.  I know that Window
Maker in FreeBSD always has a terminal open at launch time.  I don't
remember the syntax off-hand but I know it can be done.  If you'd like
I'll take a look - as for window managers, how about IceWM?  You should
be able to remove the taskbar and when mozilla is minimalized it outa
make an icon on the desktop - though don't take my word on that, as I
hadn't used Ice in sometime.  Might I recommend the xft enabled builds
of mozilla for some nicer looking fonts.  Their availible in RH 8 rpms.

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/#1.2.1


~Christopher

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 22:50, IS Department wrote:
> I have 4 RH 8.0 clients. All I want them to do be able to do is act as
> web browsers, 
> that is when the user logs on I would like to fire up Mozilla. It
> would be nice if nothing 
> else was available for the user to run(these machines will be public
> use internet stations)
> Anybody out there have any ideas?  Thanks 



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Re: Mozilla

[Nick Lindsell]

At 23:50 20/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:

I have 4 RH 8.0 clients. All I want them to do be able to do is act as web 
browsers,
that is when the user logs on I would like to fire up Mozilla. It would be 
nice if nothing
else was available for the user to run(these machines will be public use 
internet stations)
Anybody out there have any ideas?  Thanks



You need to look at the Linux Kiosk project:-
http://kiosk.mozdev.org/

Basically you get the clients to run init4 by
default and then fire up X and Mozilla in full screen.
I've just done such a project and actually found
Galeon more suitable.

hih
nick@nexnix



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Re: remote X Window

[Bret Hughes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:21, Hong Tian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I tried
> to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
> follows:
> 
> XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
> package)
> 
> On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0". How
> should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?
> 

export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0  should do it


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Re: easy installation

[Michael Schwendt]

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:53:55 -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:

> > Also, they knocked linux for having bad fonts when web surfing.  But
> > at sourceforge.net there's a way to get microsoft's fonts.  Just
> > search for fonts and it should be near the top.
> 
> They're absolutely right.  Out of the box, Linux sucks for a web
> surfer compared to Windows.  The user is forced to go through some
> extra steps just to get fonts that make a web site look decent. 
> Should a user who just picked up a copy of Red Hat Linux at the local
> CompUSA have to go to Sourceforge and search for fonts just to display
> his favorite web site properly? I'll argue that they should not.  I'll
> also support the argument that it's not completely Red Hat's fault -
> part of the problem lies in the fact that we're dealing with free
> software and nobody wants to pay to license fonts, and (a larger) part
> of the problem is web sites that are designed for IE and nothing else.

The list of things the user needs to download from web sites is not
limited to TT fonts. Add Real Player, Flash plug-in, ALSA driver,
NVIDIA driver, Java, (NTFS drivers). Worse, installing those
components often involves several manual steps in addition to
locating them on the Internet. Compare that to the Microsoft way of
semi-automatic download and installation via a small EXE and/or
Wizard.

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Mozilla

[IS Department]

I have 4 RH 8.0 clients. All I want them to do be 
able to do is act as web browsers, 
that is when the user logs on I would like to fire 
up Mozilla. It would be nice if nothing 
else was available for the user to run(these 
machines will be public use internet stations)
Anybody out there have any ideas?  
Thanks 

Modem

[Gibbs, Martin D.]

Would anyone have tips on how to get a modem to work in Linux? Its a modem I installed 
a packaged driver for, and ran, but I still cannot get Linux to recognize that it's 
there to use.



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Re: easy installation

[Ed Wilts]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:22:23AM -0500, David Colburn wrote:
> That said, the immediate case of proprietary Web site coding and
> incompatible font collections seems to be pretty readily addressed.
> 
> 1.  Proprietary Web coding: When such a Web site is opened the RH user
> should receive a pop-up that labels the site defective and recommends an
> E-mail to the site Webmaster.  An automatic E-mail to some central site
> that lists such defective Web sites and that dispatches a short list of
> recommendations to Webmasters to fix their sites should also be built
> in.
> 
> 2.  Can RedHat (and others) automatically ID proprietary fonts in use,
> trigger a background E-mail to a "defective" Web site listing (as above)
> and then automatically substitute a non-proprietary font that is close
> enough to make the Web site look OK to the user?

I haven't laughed so hard in quiet a while.  You seem to be making the
assumption that the webmaster will actually fix the problem!  In
many/most cases, the webmaster does not have the software necessary to
test different browsers, and many won't have the time.  After all, IE is
so dominant that they can ignore the rest and not lose any sleep.

At my own company, our internal web site does not display properly in
Mozilla/Netscape.  We've talked to our webmaster, and he simply says
that IE is the company standard and to go away.  One day our CIO was
doing a demo and fired up Netscape, only to have it screw up.  The web
site is still broken to this day and this is a few years later.

Don't forget that some of the problems are caused by the tools that
webmasters use to develop their sites.  Those tools (I believe Frontpage
falls in this category) assume that IE is the browser and will fail to
generate compliant code.  Is the tool broken?  Sure it is.  Will those
tool developers fix the tools?  Probably not, if history is any
prediction of the future.  Should we stop buying broken tools?  Yup.
Will we?  Nope.  Sucks, doesn't it?

IE is where it's at, and if we can't be bug for bug compatible, then
we're not going to achieve world domination.  

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Re: Java Problem - RH8.0

[Marius Andreiana]

On Vi, 2002-12-20 at 16:02, Kieran Hood wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get this pluggin from? Thanks
Get the java sdk from ibm ( I chose it as it is rpm )
and as root
cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
ln -s /opt/IBMJava2-13/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin_oji.so

Restart mozilla, see about:plugins. Should list java.

You might need to add this line to /etc/profile
export JAVA_HOME="/opt/IBMJava2-13"

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RE: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Ferguson, Michael]

It works fine for me. My children uses it and they say it is just like
MSOffice.
I replaced MSWindows and MSOffice with RH8.0 and they have not missed a
beat. 
They are both very heavy Word and Powerpoint users

-Original Message-
From: Warren Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)


Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:
> 
>>On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm 
>>trying to get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) 
>>and if the OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help 
>>persuade the "people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of 
>>dosh for rubbish, when we can have a good, free, system.
> 
> 
> It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents 
> can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue 
> exists in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at 
> home first with some typical documents that your office uses and see 
> what happens. I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office 
> for my home desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.
> 

My experience has been different.  I use OO on Linux mostly and had a 
few thousand files that had been generated in Microsfot Word and Excel 
that OO had no trouble with at all.  The only thing that looks funny 
sometimes is OO displays a ? for a -, but it prints the - ok.  Whenever 
I save a file in OO I save it in Microsoft format and other people that 
need to open it in Word or Excel haven't had any problems either.

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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Warren Johnson]

Ed Wilts wrote:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:


On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm trying to
get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) and if the
OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help persuade the
"people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of dosh for rubbish,
when we can have a good, free, system.



It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.



My experience has been different.  I use OO on Linux mostly and had a 
few thousand files that had been generated in Microsfot Word and Excel 
that OO had no trouble with at all.  The only thing that looks funny 
sometimes is OO displays a ? for a -, but it prints the - ok.  Whenever 
I save a file in OO I save it in Microsoft format and other people that 
need to open it in Word or Excel haven't had any problems either.

-Warren



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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Johnathan Bailes]

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 10:57, Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:
> > On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm trying to
> > get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) and if the
> > OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help persuade the
> > "people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of dosh for rubbish,
> > when we can have a good, free, system.
> 
> It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
> can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
> in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
> with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
> I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
> desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.


That is very odd.  I have only experienced trouble with complicated form
documents and documents that use very odd large OLE embedding objects
and those issues have happened on only two types of documents that have
dealt with.  


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devices for DVD

[K Hargraves]

Hi,

I'm getting a "Error opening the secected video out" when trying to run 
MPlayer with a DVD mounted in the reader : /dev/cdrom

if audio is to point at /dev/dsp how should MPlayer be configred for 
video; i.e. what is the expected video device

cheers,

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remote X Window

[Hong Tian]

Hi,

After I logged in a Sun Solaris 8 Server from a RedHat 7.3 machine, I tried
to use "admintool" or "clock" commands. But I got the error messages as
follows:

XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: hostname:0 (Server
package)

On Solaris to Solaris, I used "xhost" and "setup DISPLAY hostname:0.0". How
should we do on Linux (RedHat 7.3) to Solaris?

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Re: easy installation

[David Colburn]

> > Also, they knocked linux for having bad fonts when web surfing.  But at
> > sourceforge.net there's a way to get microsoft's fonts.  Just search for
> > fonts and it should be near the top.
> They're absolutely right.  Out of the box, Linux sucks for a web surfer
> compared to Windows.  The user is forced to go through some extra steps
> just to get fonts that make a web site look decent.  Should a user who
> just picked up a copy of Red Hat Linux at the local CompUSA have to go
> to Sourceforge and search for fonts just to display his favorite web
> site properly? I'll argue that they should not.  I'll also support the
> argument that it's not completely Red Hat's fault - part of the problem
> lies in the fact that we're dealing with free software and nobody wants
> to pay to license fonts, and (a larger) part of the problem is web sites
> that are designed for IE and nothing else.  
> -- 
> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

Web surfing fonts are not the only turnkey non-geek user challenge when
one buys RedHat, Mandrake, or SuSE off the shelf -- all have
show-stopper, or near show-stopper, flaws that scare newbie non-geek
users away.  (hardware incompatibilities, apps that don't save settings
even when "told" to, the absence of very common utilities and apps (esp.
re. the handling of multimedia).  I have read all of the reasons, that
does not change the reality for the non-geek user.

That said, the immediate case of proprietary Web site coding and
incompatible font collections seems to be pretty readily addressed.

1.  Proprietary Web coding: When such a Web site is opened the RH user
should receive a pop-up that labels the site defective and recommends an
E-mail to the site Webmaster.  An automatic E-mail to some central site
that lists such defective Web sites and that dispatches a short list of
recommendations to Webmasters to fix their sites should also be built
in.

2.  Can RedHat (and others) automatically ID proprietary fonts in use,
trigger a background E-mail to a "defective" Web site listing (as above)
and then automatically substitute a non-proprietary font that is close
enough to make the Web site look OK to the user?

doc 

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Re: Red Hat 8 - Instability

[Jack Bowling]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:48:04AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi...
> I installed RedHat 8 recently and I have to tell you that I am getting p***
> with
> it's instability. 

My guesses:

1) you are running the wrong kernel for your system - either running an
SMP kernel on a uni box or the other way around.
2)you have a case of Bad RAM - check it out with memtest (you can find
the binary on google).

An unstable system is not the hallmark of a linux box.
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Re: iptables and performance issues

[Jack Bowling]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 05:59:23AM -0800, lester lasad wrote:
> 
> I am running redhat 7.3  everything is working properly until loading the iptables 
>rules.  After loading the rules I am taking a big performance hit.  It can take 
>anywhere from 10 - 30 seconds for my server to display the results of "iptables -L".  
>This wasn't happening prior to the rules being loaded.  Trying to open a shell has 
>the same results as well as many other things. 
> 
> I am loading the iptables rules from webmin.  After disabling the rules using 
>"iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT" and "iptables -F" I no longer have a performance issue.  I 
>have included the contents of iptables below.  
> 
> *filter
> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
> :INPUT DROP [0:0]
> :Inbound - [0:0]
> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
> -A INPUT -j Inbound
> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.96.8.96 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.96.8.96 --dport 25 -j ACCEPT
> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.96.8.96 --dport 1 -j ACCEPT
> -A Inbound -i lo -j ACCEPT
> -A Inbound -p tcp -m tcp -j DROP
> -A Inbound -p udp -m udp -j DROP
> -A Inbound -p icmp -j DROP
> COMMIT
> # Generated by webmin
> *mangle
> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
> :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
> :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
> :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
> COMMIT
> # Completed
> # Generated by webmin
> *nat
> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
> :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
> :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
> COMMIT
> # Completed

Please change the first ACCEPT rule to ESTABLISHED, RELATED to enable
one of the finer abilities of netfilter code.

And your problem is undoubtedly name resolution. By making your command
"iptables -L-n -v", you will be spared the long wait.

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Re: OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[z]

Ed Wilts wrote:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:


On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm trying to
get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) and if the
OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help persuade the
"people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of dosh for rubbish,
when we can have a good, free, system.



It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.



I'd like to toss my experience into the pile.

In our business environment, i haven't run into many Word or Excel 
documents that OpenOffice.org couldn't render correctly. The only one i 
can recall was an .xls a few megs large. I haven't had any problems 
creating content in OpenOffice.org and having the MS users read it.

I use OO.o on Win and Linux, at home and at work.

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OpenOffice/MS Office compatibility (was Re: easy installation)

[Ed Wilts]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:09:21AM -, Cannon, Andrew wrote:
> On another point, how compatible with M$ Office is OpenOffice? I'm trying to
> get our company away from M$ products (slowly does it...) and if the
> OpenOffice suite is (nearly) fully compatible it might help persuade the
> "people in power" that we don't need to pay out lots of dosh for rubbish,
> when we can have a good, free, system.

It's not anywhere close to being compatible.  Many MS Office documents
can not be read or display incorrectly in OpenOffice.  This issue exists
in both the Windows and Linux versions of OO.  Try it out at home first
with some typical documents that your office uses and see what happens.
I was very disappointed and ended up buying MS Office for my home
desktops.  OO couldn't even handle my trivial home files.

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Re: easy installation

[Ed Wilts]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 05:02:11PM +0900, shawn wrote:
> I read in ZDNET that some other distribution was better as it would find
> the video card.

Distributions always leap-frog each other.  The last one released
typically has better support for newer video cards.  Software is
changing every day and new hardware support is being added regularly.
If ZDnet reruns their tests in a month or two, they'll get a different
answer.

> Also, they knocked linux for having bad fonts when web surfing.  But at
> sourceforge.net there's a way to get microsoft's fonts.  Just search for
> fonts and it should be near the top.

They're absolutely right.  Out of the box, Linux sucks for a web surfer
compared to Windows.  The user is forced to go through some extra steps
just to get fonts that make a web site look decent.  Should a user who
just picked up a copy of Red Hat Linux at the local CompUSA have to go
to Sourceforge and search for fonts just to display his favorite web
site properly? I'll argue that they should not.  I'll also support the
argument that it's not completely Red Hat's fault - part of the problem
lies in the fact that we're dealing with free software and nobody wants
to pay to license fonts, and (a larger) part of the problem is web sites
that are designed for IE and nothing else.  


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Re: Red Hat 8.1?

[Ed Wilts]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:35:12AM +, David Richards wrote:
>   thats interesting you say that. Just a few questions about this. So if
> they are going to do this. why have they got that up2date system in the
> installation ? I cant remember it being in 7.3, I am guess it was new to
> 8.0.

Incorrect guess.  We're currently using it on our systems at work running
6.2.  It is not available for 6.1.

> Is there an announcement mailing list any where.

Yup - it has been posted on multiple mailing lists.  Here's the link on
Red Hat's web site:  http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ 

> peoples view here on this. but I am running 8.0. when 8.1 comes out, is
> it a good idea to install 8.1 or keep 8.0 and just update the packages
> up2date says are out of date ?

This is where it gets dicey.  After Dec. 31, 2003, up2date will no
longer get you updates for 8.0 so you will have to go to 8.1 to continue
to get security updates.

To add fuel to the fire, 8.0 is currently not an option for many
customers because of some application incompatibilities (Apache 2.0
being the issue for some).

.../Ed
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Re: Red Hat 8.1?

[sentinel]

Hold on a second...

You wait for RedHat to provide a package update?

If security is paramount (in most cases it is), then why not hand roll your
own binaries?  I've had CERT advisories come down, check the vender site (no
patch available yet they say), I download the source and build my own.

Most of the vulnerabilities are in the products you run.  SSH, SSL, Apache
had a couple and so on.  


Sure packages are easier.  If you have alot of systems to upgrade then read
the RPM HOWTO, build your own package and push it out.  Very easy.

Regards

---


Since Red Hat has announced an effective end-of-life of Dec 31, 2003 for
> 8.0, they have forced themselves to release early.  If they wait until 6
> months after October - which would be March - they've forced all the
> customers into a corner.  An OS install of the latest version (8.0 in
> March) would only be supported for 9 months.  I realize they want to
> sell Advanced Server, but this is IMHO blackmail.  As a business user of
> Red Hat Linux, I'm going to have to seriously consider retiring Red Hat
> Linux since I can't go without security updates 9 months after an
> install.  I've still got mostly 6.2 systems in production and I can't
> upgrade all my systems every 6-9 months.  It just is not going to
> happen - the manpower simply isn't there.



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Re: init and loader source code from boot floppy

[Robin Mordasiewicz]

doh! thanks I did not realize that the boot disks were part of anaconda

On 20 Dec 2002, Bret Hughes wrote:

> On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 23:30, Robin Mordasiewicz wrote:
> > where can I find the source code for the init and loader program from the
> > redhat boot floppy
> >
> >
>
> If I had to guess I would say look in the anaconda packages since the
> boot images get build from there.
>
> Bret
>
>
>
>

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