Re: System Requirements
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 12:06:31PM +0100, Bastiaan Welmers wrote: Van: Thomas Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh! Moet ik nu in het Nederlands schrijven? ;-) On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 06:08:23PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: 6.2 is still maintained, I thought? I have 6.2 running on a 486DX2/66 laptop with 8MB. Do you think it uses the co-processor? My 486SX laptop doen't have one, yours does have. I honestly don't know - I suppose you could check the Hardware Compatibility List for 6.2, but other than that I have no idea. I had to install using another machine, though, due to some problems with drivers. I don't even have a floppy drive on my laptop, only a PLIP connection. I was too lazy to try that - I wanted to install via network, but for some reason, the NIC was recognized correctly and I still got a resource conflict later, causing the install to freeze. Cheerio, Thomas -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ...'cause only lusers quote signatures! Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
Hi, I have managed to install RedHat 7.1 on a i386 machine with 16mb ram. I installed redhat on a hardisk on a different machine , then upgraded the kernel to its i386 rpm which has got math co-processor enabled. After that I took the hardisk and put it on the i386 machine. And it worked!! regards Krishna Krishna Shekhar Network Administrator Wiplash Wireless At 11:31 AM 11/29/2002 +0100, you wrote: - Oorspronkelijk bericht - There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. Allright, that's a reason when the computer is 24h a day connected with Internet but I also want to use RH Linux on a laptop i486 with 12MB of ram and it will never be connected directly to Internet. So security holes won't be the main reasen for NOT deciding a version. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). Allright, I think I can get a i486 100MHz with 24 megs of ram for E 22 (= $20). But I still have a mini laptop with 12 megs I want to use... Thanks, Bastiaan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002
Re: System Requirements
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 06:08:23PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: [...] There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. 6.2 is still maintained, I thought? I have 6.2 running on a 486DX2/66 laptop with 8MB. I had to install using another machine, though, due to some problems with drivers. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). May I draw your attention that these prices only apply to the US? There are plenty of countries out there where PCs are quite a bit more expensive - and this *is* an international mailing list... :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ...'cause only lusers quote signatures! Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
Van: fred smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even 7.x, which may run on a 386 will be severely starved for resources on an 8-meg machine. Red Hat's installer likely won't have a chance of running on 8 megs, not even in text mode. You may wish to look up the rule project, they have an installer (I haven't tried it, so take this with salt) that may work for you, though. But even if you DO get 7.x installed on a 8 meg 386, you 'll find yourself thinking of the end of the world as you wait for anything to happen. Besides a slow CPU, it'll be swapping its little brains out. YOu won't even be able to do 'ls' in a text console without a swap storm. Unless you're a serious masochist, you'll want to skip installation of all GUI-related stuff and just use it as a text-mode unix clone. The machine only has to serve and to route. So no X window or whatever. I think I won't even use a monitor, just only work with Telnet. Problems with 5.2 is that no serious package - for example routing or webserver - will run on it because the lack of kernel support and glibc version. I want also use a i486 laptop with 12 megs of RAM, how can I ever be sure wich version will work on it? RedHat 5.2 works without performance problems and is fast enough, also with X server, but has lack of package support. So that's why I'm looking for a newer version, but before I'm going to download 1GB or buy CDs I need to be sure I have the right version. Does this 386 by any chance have 30-pin SIMM sockets in it? I've got a good-sized pile of 1-meg 30-pin simms around if you would like to have some more. All sockets are full unfortunatly... I've tried 4 meg simms but they just don't work. Maybe I buy a i486 with 24 megs of RAM tomorrow, but a pentium would be more usefull, because newest RH I just downloaded needs at least an i586. I'm already working on a Pentium 133 with 64 megs ram and worked without performence problems with redhat 5.2, but Win 2k is disastrous to work with. Problem is that it's my webserver and mailserver on W2K too and I can't stop these processes to swap the OS. Bastiaan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. Allright, that's a reason when the computer is 24h a day connected with Internet but I also want to use RH Linux on a laptop i486 with 12MB of ram and it will never be connected directly to Internet. So security holes won't be the main reasen for NOT deciding a version. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). Allright, I think I can get a i486 100MHz with 24 megs of ram for E 22 (= $20). But I still have a mini laptop with 12 megs I want to use... Thanks, Bastiaan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
Van: Bret Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an added data point, I just completed an upgrade to 7.3 on my home firewall box a IBM P90 with 32mb. Text mode install went fine. I can't imagine running ANYTHING less than 16MB and not sure how you would get it installed other than one of the micro distros. Well, I'm using RH 5.2 on a i486 with 12MB laptop, in X with virtual screen resolution of 800x600, and there are NO performance problems, it all runs relatively quickly. I choose for a 64MB swap drive, and I'm using a 2,1 GB HD. But I can't even get the APM module worked (for spuspend mode and battery check) because lack of kernel support. Of course this is a firewall only with sshd about the only service other than ipchains, soon to be iptables and will probably do the ipsec deal again that I had running under 6.2 on the same box. Thanks, that's usefull info, I wan't to use these tools, and can't get them installed on 5.2 /Bastiaan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
Van: Thomas Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 06:08:23PM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote: [...] There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. 6.2 is still maintained, I thought? I have 6.2 running on a 486DX2/66 laptop with 8MB. Do you think it uses the co-processor? My 486SX laptop doen't have one, yours does have. I had to install using another machine, though, due to some problems with drivers. I don't even have a floppy drive on my laptop, only a PLIP connection. Bastiaan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
Hi, I have managed to install RedHat 7.1 on a i386 machine with 16mb ram. I installed redhat on a hardisk on a different machine , then upgraded the kernel to its i386 rpm which has got math co-processor enabled. After that I took the hardisk and put it on the i386 machine. And it worked!! regards Krishna Krishna Shekhar Network Administrator Wiplash Wireless At 11:31 AM 11/29/2002 +0100, you wrote: - Oorspronkelijk bericht - There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. Allright, that's a reason when the computer is 24h a day connected with Internet but I also want to use RH Linux on a laptop i486 with 12MB of ram and it will never be connected directly to Internet. So security holes won't be the main reasen for NOT deciding a version. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). Allright, I think I can get a i486 100MHz with 24 megs of ram for E 22 (= $20). But I still have a mini laptop with 12 megs I want to use... Thanks, Bastiaan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002
Re: System Requirements
Don't give up on the 386. There are several minimalist Linux web sites out there from which you can get some solid advice. Also, you don't have to stick with Red Hat. Look for an older slackware installation set that you can download to floppies. There are hundreds of different distributions out there - pick one thats right for your set up and prove the bigger is better synics wrong! On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Ed Wilts wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:12:39PM +0100, Bastiaan Welmers wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I can find the system requirements / advised system properties for any release of RedHat Linux? For example, until which version can I install on an i386 8MB Ram? Actually, the requirements are on the Red Hat web site (after a bunch of whining by people like me). I believe the current requirement (but haven't confirmed it) is 64MB ram for text mode, and 128MB for graphical, with 192MB recommended for graphical. A Pentium or better is required. There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). Cheers, .../Ed -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:12:39PM +0100, Bastiaan Welmers wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I can find the system requirements / advised system properties for any release of RedHat Linux? For example, until which version can I install on an i386 8MB Ram? Now I'm using 5.2 but it just doesn't work fine, lot's of programs don't work with old glibc and kernel versions... I can see that release 7.3 has a kernel for i386 architecture, but 8.0 no longer(needs mathematical co-processor). However, memory requirements are more important I think Even 7.x, which may run on a 386 will be severely starved for resources on an 8-meg machine. Red Hat's installer likely won't have a chance of running on 8 megs, not even in text mode. You may wish to look up the rule project, they have an installer (I haven't tried it, so take this with salt) that may work for you, though. But even if you DO get 7.x installed on a 8 meg 386, you 'll find yourself thinking of the end of the world as you wait for anything to happen. Besides a slow CPU, it'll be swapping its little brains out. YOu won't even be able to do 'ls' in a text console without a swap storm. Unless you're a serious masochist, you'll want to skip installation of all GUI-related stuff and just use it as a text-mode unix clone. Does this 386 by any chance have 30-pin SIMM sockets in it? I've got a good-sized pile of 1-meg 30-pin simms around if you would like to have some more. -- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. --- Romans 5:8 (niv) -- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:12:39PM +0100, Bastiaan Welmers wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I can find the system requirements / advised system properties for any release of RedHat Linux? For example, until which version can I install on an i386 8MB Ram? Actually, the requirements are on the Red Hat web site (after a bunch of whining by people like me). I believe the current requirement (but haven't confirmed it) is 64MB ram for text mode, and 128MB for graphical, with 192MB recommended for graphical. A Pentium or better is required. There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). Cheers, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 18:08, Ed Wilts wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:12:39PM +0100, Bastiaan Welmers wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I can find the system requirements / advised system properties for any release of RedHat Linux? For example, until which version can I install on an i386 8MB Ram? Actually, the requirements are on the Red Hat web site (after a bunch of whining by people like me). I believe the current requirement (but haven't confirmed it) is 64MB ram for text mode, and 128MB for graphical, with 192MB recommended for graphical. A Pentium or better is required. There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security holes. I believe your best bet at this stage is to replace the hardware with something manufactured in the last 5 years. Even a 5-year old system - which was typically a Pentium 200 or better - can be upgraded to 64MB Ram. I finally got rid of a 7-year old P166 with 48MB earlier this year for $20. A friend gave me a PentiumPro 200 with 64MB to give to another friend a few months ago. eBay has multiple systems that meet the requirements with a Buy-it-Now price of around $40-50 (which is around the price of a Red Hat Linux box set). As an added data point, I just completed an upgrade to 7.3 on my home firewall box a IBM P90 with 32mb. Text mode install went fine. I can't imagine running ANYTHING less than 16MB and not sure how you would get it installed other than one of the micro distros. although looking at it now it really runs pretty lean, [bhughes@hughesfw bhughes]$ free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 29496 24800 4696 0 9760 10372 -/+ buffers/cache: 4668 24828 Swap: 256024 1720 254304 Of course this is a firewall only with sshd about the only service other than ipchains, soon to be iptables and will probably do the ipsec deal again that I had running under 6.2 on the same box. Bret -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: System Requirements
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On Friday 29 November 2002 12:36 am, Bret Hughes wrote:
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 18:08, Ed Wilts wrote:
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:12:39PM +0100, Bastiaan Welmers wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know where I can find the system requirements / advised
system properties
for any release of RedHat Linux? For example, until which version
can I install on
an i386 8MB Ram?
There is *no* safe version of Red Hat Linux that can be installed on
a 386 with 8MB Ram. All versions that old have serious security
holes.
The RULE project's installers can help install the 7.2, 7.3, and 8.0
releases on machines with as little as 8M of RAM.
http://www.rule-project.org/
As an added data point, I just completed an upgrade to 7.3 on my home
firewall box a IBM P90 with 32mb. Text mode install went fine. I
can't imagine running ANYTHING less than 16MB and not sure how you
would get it installed other than one of the micro distros.
although looking at it now it really runs pretty lean,
[bhughes@hughesfw bhughes]$ free
total used free sharedbuffers
cached
Mem: 29496 24800 4696 0 9760
10372
-/+ buffers/cache: 4668 24828
Swap: 256024 1720 254304
Of course this is a firewall only with sshd about the only service
other than ipchains, soon to be iptables and will probably do the ipsec
deal again that I had running under 6.2 on the same box.
I used the RULE Slinky installer to install the 8.0 release on a Toshiba
Satellite Pro 420CDS. (P100 w/ 40M of RAM.) Then I added a minimal
version of XFree86 using the Xkdrive servers and the fluxbox window
manager. It's actually fairly responsive. Less than 5 seconds from
startx to a usable desktop.
Partial top output:
34 processes: 33 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 11.9% user, 1.1% system, 0.0% nice, 86.8% idle
Mem:37740K av, 37156K used, 584K free, 0K shrd, 636K
buff
Swap: 193528K av, 0K used, 193528K free 26408K
cached
PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND
690 root 15 0 4692 2644 1128 S 9.6 7.0 0:05 X
723 mfratoni 16 0 928 928 752 R 1.7 2.4 0:00 top
557 root 15 0 1428 1428 1280 S 0.1 3.7 0:03 sshd
694 root 15 0 2440 2440 1908 S 0.1 6.4 0:00 xterm
Screenshots available here:
http://www.rule-project.org/en/screenshots.php/
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