RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Barry]

So install dos and the cd drivers that come with it , the rest is easy 

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: n9...@ameritech.net
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:35:26 -0600
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic




























Nope – this is an OLD machine…  No USB, no
SCSI.

 

What I am really needing to find are the DOS/Win95 device drivers
for the CD drive.  It’s an NEC Versa 4080h.

 

Just so we can keep this “sorta” on topic, the
primary purpose for this laptop is to run old Motorola and other radio
programming software.

 

Mark – N9WYS

 





From:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Barry





 

you  have several options , check if
the machine is able to load an external usb drive . if not investigate one of
the linux distro which can , perhaps puppy and boot in small form floppy , if
it has a scsi port then it's easy or you might consider  installing dos
and one of the older overlays which prevelant years go when I started out .
Basucally buy the machine and let us no .. I am sure there is a simple solution
.maybe even adding a cd drive and dos drivers then load the files from there...







To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

From: n9...@ameritech.net

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0600

Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic







Or you can try a local hamfest - there are
usually older laptops that show

up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!



The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older

laptop with only a floppy drive... A friend of mine picked up a laptop with

an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.

Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even

though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS. 



We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get it

to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98

is 200+ MB... That's over 200 floppies!!! *OR* we need the Win95 device

driver for the CD drive.



Sorry for going even further off topic...



Mark - N9WYS



-Original Message-

(snip)



> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with 

> my old

> Windows 3.1 software.

> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program 

> the repeater

> controller.



Get an old laptop instead. Even if you can't keep the battery alive, 

it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and 

then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus. Old laptops 

that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at 

used computer shops. They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them. 

Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them 

properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk 

dealers.



> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could 

> get a

> Windows AT program to work with XP.



A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you 

need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even, 

that you set aside JUST for programming old radios. A bonus would be 

to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.







 







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[rande1]

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Maire-Radios]

yes  

get Vitural PC and load  dos 6.22  it works fine.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Arck 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic


  At 07:59 PM 1/17/2009, Mike Mullarkey wrote:



Does anybody know if one can get a DOS program to run on Windows XP.

 
   RUN and at the C:/ prompt, do what you need.

  Ken 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Paul Plack]

"Legitimate MS DOS?" Some historians would consider that an oxymoron!

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cort Buffington 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in 
- with Windows 98se



  I have actually run legitimate MS DOS on the exact same computer and had the 
timing problems.


  . 
   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Cort Buffington]

I have actually run legitimate MS DOS on the exact same computer and  
had the timing problems.


On Jan 18, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:




--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dennis Wade  wrote:

> From: Dennis Wade 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio  
Programs in - with Windows 98se

> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:29 PM
> OK...thanks Cort. I am left wondering (and
> confused..nothing unusual
> there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz "modern" machine
> can successfully run
> DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port
> issues. I've
> tried a "modern" (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a
> celeron) Win98SE machine
> booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with
> no joy. My
> ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works
> like a
> charm.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Dennis
>

Old softwear may not run on a fast computer due to timming issues  
with the serial ports. I have forgotten the exect reason, but is  
something like the fast computer polls the serial port somany times.  
The faster computer does this before the new data is present on the  
serial port. The softwear should have been written so the serial  
port would interrupt the program as would be the more normal practice.
At work we have the same problem with some of the instrumentaion and  
inverters that are programmed with a laptop.






--
Cort Buffington
H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Ralph Mowery]

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dennis Wade  wrote:

> From: Dennis Wade 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in 
> -  with Windows 98se
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:29 PM
> OK...thanks Cort.  I am left wondering (and
> confused..nothing unusual
> there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz "modern" machine
> can successfully run
> DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port
> issues.  I've
> tried a "modern" (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a
> celeron) Win98SE machine
> booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with
> no joy.  My
> ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works
> like a
> charm.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks for the info.
> 
>   Dennis
> 

Old softwear may not run on a fast computer due to timming issues with the 
serial ports.  I have forgotten the exect reason, but is something like the 
fast computer polls the serial port somany times.  The faster computer does 
this before the new data is present on the serial port.  The softwear should 
have been written so the serial port would interrupt the program as would be 
the more normal practice.
At work we have the same problem with some of the instrumentaion and inverters 
that are programmed with a laptop.



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Ralph Mowery]

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Ray Brown  wrote:

> From: Ray Brown 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 6:03 PM
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark" 
> 
> > The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading
> Win98 onto an older
> > laptop with only a floppy drive...  A friend of mine
> picked up a laptop with
> > an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD
> Drive for the laptop.
> > Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't
> recognize the drive, even
> > though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS.
> 
>   I don't have the Win95 driver disk but I know that
> there was a version of
> Win98, SP1, that was on floppies. I also know that you
> could have played
> with NT 4.0 on floppies. The only problem with that is that
> you have to know
> what you have, and then set it up accordingly. But that
> could've worked, too.
> 
>   I also have an old laptop that I need to play with (also
> a bad BIOS battery)
> that I want to program things with, too.
> 
>   Anyway, I hear you got a solution (bootable Win98) so
> that should take
> of ya, too. Good luck.
> 
> RayKBØSTN
> 

Windows 95 came on  about 23 floppies and 98 came on about 35 to 38 floppies.  



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Cort Buffington]

And while I've heard of and had numerous problems with using (and I  
love your quotes on this -- seriously) "modern" machines, this combo  
just seems to work really, really well. I have suspected that it has  
something to do with what's going on in FreeDOS, but honestly, once it  
worked, I hugged the machine and didn't keep digging.


I don't know how it works, but it just does :)

On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Dennis Wade wrote:


OK...thanks Cort. I am left wondering (and confused..nothing unusual
there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz "modern" machine can successfully run
DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port issues. I've
tried a "modern" (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a celeron) Win98SE machine
booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with no joy. My
ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works like a
charm.

Am I missing something?

Thanks for the info.

Dennis

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cort Buffington > wrote:
> It's a Celeron 2.4GHz with, I think 1GB of RAM. Some integrated  
Intel video.

> It's a cheap e-machines about 4-5 years old.
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Wade wrote:
>
> Cort,
>
> What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP
> Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)?
>
> Dennis
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington >

> wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run  
the RSS
>> from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and  
run all of

>> my
>> junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter,  
purple

>> dragons
>> would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support  
from the

>> FreeDOS folks yet.
>> Here's the config:
>> Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16.  
I can

>> move
>> files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need  
to run the

>> ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16
>> partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go.  
It's
>> worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for  
everyone. My

>> experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS.
>> Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to  
boot off a
>> small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial  
drivers, drive
>> geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this  
combination, it
>> did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since  
last winter.

>
> --
> Dennis L. Wade
> KG6ZI
> Carmichael, CA
>
> --
> Cort Buffington
> H: +1-785-838-3034
> M: +1-785-865-7206
>
>
>
>

--
Dennis L. Wade
KG6ZI
Carmichael, CA




--
Cort Buffington
H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Running or Booting DOS Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Mark]

Sorry - got it, Skipp!

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of skipp025

Well... 

You completely missed the major point of my post... Not just 
making a bootable disk in/on a Windows 98 machine... you need 
to load one of the universal CD Rom Drivers on the original 
Windows 98se boot (setup) disk. 

The original boot disk or one you make must load the CD Rom 
Driver amongst other drivers when it boots (startup). 

If you make your own bootable disk you need to install one 
of the universal CD Rom Driver packages on that bootable 
disk. One of the original Win98se install disks does that 
for you. 

Next... 
s. 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Running or Booting DOS Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Richard]

The Windows 98 boot disk for installation of windows has those files.
 
Richard
  www.n7tgb.net
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:10 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Running or Booting DOS Radio
Programs in - with Windows 98se



Well... 

You completely missed the major point of my post... Not just 
making a bootable disk in/on a Windows 98 machine... you need 
to load one of the universal CD Rom Drivers on the original 
Windows 98se boot (setup) disk. 

The original boot disk or one you make must load the CD Rom 
Driver amongst other drivers when it boots (startup). 

If you make your own bootable disk you need to install one 
of the universal CD Rom Driver packages on that bootable 
disk. One of the original Win98se install disks does that 
for you. 

Next... 
s. 

> "Mark"  wrote:
> Hi Skipp!
> Thanks - but the biggest problem I have is trying to get 
> the CD to work in the laptop I am helping the guy with. 
> We're both thinking that *IF* we can get Win98 loaded 
> onto the machine, the CD drive itself will be recognized
> once the machine boots into Windows. Right now, it's a 
> Win95 laptop with only a working floppy.
> 
> I have Win98 running on an older desktop, so making a Win98 
> boot floppy is not the issue... Risking getting further 
> and further off topic, all we're trying to really do is 
> figure out how to get the CD drive to be recognized
> in the laptop once Windows boots up. The drive is seen in 
> BIOS, but not once the machine boots... But please, if 
> anyone has further suggestions on how to remedy the 
> problem -- let's take this to direct e-mail and stop the
> OT thread.
> 
> On a different topic - did you get my private message 
> regarding the Astron you were helping me with?
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> n9wys <(at)> ameritech <(dot)> net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@
 yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of skipp025
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:54 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in
- with
> Windows 98se
> 
> Hi Mark, 
> 
> I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 
> haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 
> Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...
> 
> The only operational quirk is that a few (mostly Motorola 
> RSS/MSS) programs require you exit Windows 98se to MS Dos. 
> 
> And the really ancient programs would like you to slow the 
> world (computer) down to a crawl using the Moslow program. 
> 
> Otherwise many/most of the original Dos Programs operate 
> in Windows 98se using/within a Dos Window. 
> 
>  
> 
> What you probably need right now is... 
> 
> A copy of the original Windows 98 (install) boot disk that 
> tests for and loads a number of on floppy disk available 
> CD Rom Drivers. Rare is/was the case where the mentioned 
> disk failed to boot a usable CD rom driver. 
> 
> The disk boot process delivers you to a prompt of install 
> Windows from a CD or boot to a prompt with or without a 
> CD Rom Driver in place. From that point your machine is now 
> booted to a usable command prompt and depending on your 
> selection with or without a CD Rom Driver. 
> 
>  
> 
> How you deal with loading a program from a CD Rom, Hard or 
> floppy disk from the above mentioned command prompt is another 
> whole thread (I don't have time to type in those steps). 
> 
>  
> 
> So you need to find/obtain a copy of the mentioned Windows 
> 98se floppy disk (and there are at least two versions). 
> 
> Time to learn about the programs rawread (raw-read) and rawwrite 
> (raw-write) which allow you to capture an restore exact floppy 
> disk images. The original programs of course required you run them 
> on/at a dos command prompt... so that might be a fly in your 
> soup if you didn't have the new raw-write program for Windows 
> (mentioned below). 
> 
> With a copy of a Windows 98se boot floppy disk "image" file 
> you can restore/make your own boot disk and boot to 
> the command prompt as directed above. 
> 
> Raw read and raw write are modestly powerful programs so 
> warnings go out to casual users who don't tend to read directions. 
> 
> A quick search of the net found a windows version... Lucky 
> you. Until I did the search today I had been working with the 
> original dos only version... 
> 
> http://www.chrysoco 
me.net/rawwrite 
> 
> So in theory... after learning about, finding and installing 
> a raw write type program you can "roll your own' (make) Windows 
> 98se boot disk... you just need the disk file image from 
> some

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Dennis Wade]

OK...thanks Cort.  I am left wondering (and confused..nothing unusual
there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz "modern" machine can successfully run
DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port issues.  I've
tried a "modern" (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a celeron) Win98SE machine
booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with no joy.  My
ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works like a
charm.

Am I missing something?

Thanks for the info.

  Dennis

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cort Buffington  wrote:
> It's a Celeron 2.4GHz with, I think 1GB of RAM. Some integrated Intel video.
> It's a cheap e-machines about 4-5 years old.
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Wade wrote:
>
> Cort,
>
> What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP
> Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)?
>
> Dennis
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington 
> wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS
>> from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of
>> my
>> junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple
>> dragons
>> would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the
>> FreeDOS folks yet.
>> Here's the config:
>> Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can
>> move
>> files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the
>> ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16
>> partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's
>> worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My
>> experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS.
>> Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a
>> small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive
>> geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it
>> did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter.
>
> --
> Dennis L. Wade
> KG6ZI
> Carmichael, CA
>
> --
> Cort Buffington
> H: +1-785-838-3034
> M: +1-785-865-7206
>
>
>
> 



-- 
Dennis L. Wade
KG6ZI
Carmichael, CA

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

[Mike Mullarkey]

Hi Dick,

 

I thought we hams could run up to 100wt on 2.4 band. 

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:39 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

 

Kris:

It should be fairly easy to move it into 2.4 GHz. Be catreful, though, 
because there
are FCC mandated power limits imposed on Wi-Fi, which is an FCC Part 15 
system.

Check around with your local ham radio groups because I've seen that gear 
moved
to the 2.3 GHz amateur band. There might even be some modification info on 
the
internet if you do a search on Starpoint+freequency+change. Also haqve a 
look at
www.mods.dk.

One other caution: Your microwave gear isn't FCC type approved/accepted for 
Wi-Fi.
You could be looking at some serios FCC hassles if you put it into Wi-Fi 
service.

As for your 2.X GHaantennas, they should work just fine on 2.3 GHzamateur 
and 2.4
GHz Wi-fi.

I have a whole passle of 1.9 GHz Starpoint stations complete with tech 
manuals and
it's looking for a home.

Regards,

Dick W1NMZ

- Original Message - 
From: Kris Kirby
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Sent: 18 January, 2009 14:03
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009, Scott Zimmerman wrote:
> In the past few weeks, I have literally fell into some 2.x GHz
> Motorola StarPoint gear; complete with antennas and feedline. This has
> prompted my feeble mind to ask some questions:
>
> 1. Can this stuff be "up-banded" to 2.4GHz? If so, does anyone have a
> lead as to who has done it and how.

Should be.

> 2. If it can't be "up-banded", can the antennas and feedline be used
> on 2.4GHz with other WiFi equipment or radios? Is the bandwidth of the
> 2.x antennas normally broad enough to support 2.4GHz?

100MHz at 2.3-2.4GHz isn't a deal killer.

> In its former life, this equipment was used in place of wirelines between
> EMA sites. They are now using 10GHz VoIP Ethernet links instead. I thought
> it would be neat to use the old StarPoint stuff to link our amateur stuff
> together as a backup.

Welcome to the world of analog microwave...

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR mailto:kris%40catonic.us> us>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility.
--rly

 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[skipp025]

> Joe  wrote:
> I too have a Digital HiNote VP500 laptop!  

Seek professional help Joe... :-) 

> Mine boots up to an old DOS program called "AUTOMENU" Ver 3.01 
> by Magee Enterprises .  This brings up a menu of DOS programs, 
> plus a choice to go to Win98. This makes it nice and easy to 
> boot the system pick the RSS software I want to use.

I've also got an original Menu Program on my Dos 6.22 machine 
running the prom/eprom programs (a real 286). More and more of 
the radio software works with Windoze so I just boot Windows 98se 
and exit to dos when required. The other menu program I has is 
on an old Windoze 3.11 machine... a blazin' 486 DX II 

> BTW, my HiNote has a glitch with the external mouse.  Sometimes 
> it goes crazy, unplugging and plugging it back in sometimes 
> fixes it.  Sometimes I have to reboot.  I can't use the touch 
> pad mouse because it is bad.  I do have a spare keyboard, but 
> can't figure out how to get the old one off without destroying 
> the computer.  My battery is completely dead.  
> Skipp, any suggestions?
> 73, Joe, K1ike

Yep, Ebay for used/dead computers... just like I did. You'll get 
some decent deals and sometimes taken when buying parts computers.
Replacement batteries are history... so I just use my from wall 
power. Try not to get raped by the excessive shipping amounts 
some people try to charge... trying to retire off/from ebay 
shipping (over) charges. 

s. 

> > skipp025 wrote:
> > Hi Mark, 
> >
> > I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 
> > haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 
> > Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...
> >
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Running or Booting DOS Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[skipp025]

Well... 

You completely missed the major point of my post... Not just 
making a bootable disk in/on a Windows 98 machine... you need 
to load one of the universal CD Rom Drivers on the original 
Windows 98se boot (setup) disk. 

The original boot disk or one you make must load the CD Rom 
Driver amongst other drivers when it boots (startup). 

If you make your own bootable disk you need to install one 
of the universal CD Rom Driver packages on that bootable 
disk. One of the original Win98se install disks does that 
for you. 

Next... 
s. 

> "Mark"  wrote:
> Hi Skipp!
> Thanks - but the biggest problem I have is trying to get 
> the CD to work in the laptop I am helping the guy with. 
> We're both thinking that *IF* we can get Win98 loaded 
> onto the machine, the CD drive itself will be recognized
> once the machine boots into Windows.  Right now, it's a 
> Win95 laptop with only a working floppy.
> 
> I have Win98 running on an older desktop, so making a Win98 
> boot floppy is not the issue...  Risking getting further 
> and further off topic, all we're trying to really do is 
> figure out how to get the CD drive to be recognized
> in the laptop once Windows boots up.  The drive is seen in 
> BIOS, but not once the machine boots...  But please, if 
> anyone has further suggestions on how to remedy the 
> problem -- let's take this to direct e-mail and stop the
> OT thread.
> 
> On a different topic - did you get my private message 
> regarding the Astron you were helping me with?
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> n9wys <(at)> ameritech <(dot)> net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:54 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in
- with
> Windows 98se
> 
> Hi Mark, 
> 
> I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 
> haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 
> Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...
> 
> The only operational quirk is that a few (mostly Motorola 
> RSS/MSS) programs require you exit Windows 98se to MS Dos. 
> 
> And the really ancient programs would like you to slow the 
> world (computer) down to a crawl using the Moslow program. 
> 
> Otherwise many/most of the original Dos Programs operate 
> in Windows 98se using/within a Dos Window. 
> 
> 
> 
> What you probably need right now is... 
> 
> A copy of the original Windows 98 (install) boot disk that 
> tests for and loads a number of on floppy disk available 
> CD Rom Drivers. Rare is/was the case where the mentioned 
> disk failed to boot a usable CD rom driver. 
> 
> The disk boot process delivers you to a prompt of install 
> Windows from a CD or boot to a prompt with or without a 
> CD Rom Driver in place. From that point your machine is now 
> booted to a usable command prompt and depending on your 
> selection with or without a CD Rom Driver. 
> 
> 
> 
> How you deal with loading a program from a CD Rom, Hard or 
> floppy disk from the above mentioned command prompt is another 
> whole thread (I don't have time to type in those steps). 
> 
>  
> 
> So you need to find/obtain a copy of the mentioned Windows 
> 98se floppy disk (and there are at least two versions). 
> 
> Time to learn about the programs rawread (raw-read) and rawwrite 
> (raw-write) which allow you to capture an restore exact floppy 
> disk images. The original programs of course required you run them 
> on/at a dos command prompt... so that might be a fly in your 
> soup if you didn't have the new raw-write program for Windows 
> (mentioned below). 
> 
> With a copy of a Windows 98se boot floppy disk "image" file 
> you can restore/make your own boot disk and boot to 
> the command prompt as directed above. 
> 
> Raw read and raw write are modestly powerful programs so 
> warnings go out to casual users who don't tend to read directions. 
> 
> A quick search of the net found a windows version... Lucky 
> you. Until I did the search today I had been working with the 
> original dos only version... 
> 
> http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite  
> 
> So in theory... after learning about, finding and installing 
> a raw write type program you can "roll your own' (make) Windows 
> 98se boot disk... you just need the disk file image from 
> someone really nice. 
> 
> You might contact that person via Email and see what you 
> receive back. 
> 
> cheers, 
> skipp 
> 
> skipp025 at yahoo.com 
> 
> [pasted text]
> What is a disk image :
> A disk image is a file that contains all the raw data on a 
> disk in the original track and sector format. Using a disk 
> image enables you to send diskettes that are not MS-DOS format 
> via FTP or EMail and then recreate them in their original 
> format and integrity. 
> [end pasted text]
> 
> > "Mark"  wrote:
> > Nope - this is an OLD machine.  No USB, no SCSI.
> > Wha

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

[lenaw12]

All is true but we should protect the active Amateur Satellite
frequencies just above 2.4 GHz (Channel 1 Part 15) and the terrestrial
DX frequencies in the 2.3 GHz sector.

Both are in use, active and documented on Google...other than
that...go to town for ham use...just don't look into the smart end of
your antenna while transmitting...

LW 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH  wrote:
>
> But, if you have a ham license, those Part 15 power limits don't mean 
> squat. Remember, the 13 cm band goes from 2.3-2.45 GHz. It's not 2.3
GHz 
> only.
> 
> Channels 1-6 of an 802.11b/g system are shared Part97/Part15.
Channels 0 
> and -1 are Part 97 only if you want to avoid interference from Part 15 
> users.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

[MCH]

But, if you have a ham license, those Part 15 power limits don't mean 
squat. Remember, the 13 cm band goes from 2.3-2.45 GHz. It's not 2.3 GHz 
only.

Channels 1-6 of an 802.11b/g system are shared Part97/Part15. Channels 0 
and -1 are Part 97 only if you want to avoid interference from Part 15 
users.

It's exactly the same as if you had a 440 MHz Part 15 device. You can 
put a power amp on it and be perfectly legal as long as you meet the 
Part 97 ID requirements.

Now, EXCRYPTION is anther matter completely. With the higher power jump 
to Part 97, you lose the ability for encryption unless the key is 
publicly available. I'm not going to get into the particulars with that, 
but it seems that a web page listing the key makes it 'public'.

Joe M.

Dick wrote:
> Kris:
> 
> It should be fairly easy to move it into 2.4 GHz.  Be catreful, though, 
> because there
> are FCC mandated power limits imposed on Wi-Fi, which is an FCC Part 15 
> system.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Ray Brown]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark" 

> The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older
> laptop with only a floppy drive...  A friend of mine picked up a laptop with
> an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.
> Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even
> though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS.

  I don't have the Win95 driver disk but I know that there was a version of
Win98, SP1, that was on floppies. I also know that you could have played
with NT 4.0 on floppies. The only problem with that is that you have to know
what you have, and then set it up accordingly. But that could've worked, too.

  I also have an old laptop that I need to play with (also a bad BIOS battery)
that I want to program things with, too.

  Anyway, I hear you got a solution (bootable Win98) so that should take
of ya, too. Good luck.

RayKBØSTN

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Joe]

Hello Skipp,

I too have a Digital HiNote VP500 laptop!  Mine boots up to an old DOS 
program called "AUTOMENU" Ver 3.01 by Magee Enterprises .  This brings 
up a menu of DOS programs, plus a choice to go to Win98.  This makes it 
nice and easy to boot the system pick the RSS software I want to use.

BTW, my HiNote has a glitch with the external mouse.  Sometimes it goes 
crazy, unplugging and plugging it back in sometimes fixes it.  Sometimes 
I have to reboot.  I can't use the touch pad mouse because it is bad.  I 
do have a spare keyboard, but can't figure out how to get the old one 
off without destroying the computer.  My battery is completely dead.  
Skipp, any suggestions?

73, Joe, K1ike


skipp025 wrote:
> Hi Mark, 
>
> I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 
> haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 
> Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...
>
>   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

[Dick]

Kris:

It should be fairly easy to move it into 2.4 GHz.  Be catreful, though, 
because there
are FCC mandated power limits imposed on Wi-Fi, which is an FCC Part 15 
system.

Check around with your local ham radio groups because I've seen that gear 
moved
to the 2.3 GHz amateur band.  There might even be some modification info on 
the
internet if you do a search on Starpoint+freequency+change.  Also haqve a 
look at
www.mods.dk.

One other caution:  Your microwave gear isn't FCC type approved/accepted for 
Wi-Fi.
You could be looking at some serios FCC hassles if you put it into Wi-Fi 
service.

As for your 2.X GHaantennas, they should work just fine on 2.3 GHzamateur 
and 2.4
GHz Wi-fi.

I have a whole passle of 1.9 GHz Starpoint stations complete with tech 
manuals and
it's looking for a home.

Regards,

Dick W1NMZ

- Original Message - 
From: Kris Kirby
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 18 January, 2009 14:03
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??


On Sat, 17 Jan 2009, Scott Zimmerman wrote:
> In the past few weeks, I have literally fell into some 2.x GHz
> Motorola StarPoint gear; complete with antennas and feedline. This has
> prompted my feeble mind to ask some questions:
>
> 1. Can this stuff be "up-banded" to 2.4GHz? If so, does anyone have a
> lead as to who has done it and how.

Should be.

> 2. If it can't be "up-banded", can the antennas and feedline be used
> on 2.4GHz with other WiFi equipment or radios? Is the bandwidth of the
> 2.x antennas normally broad enough to support 2.4GHz?

100MHz at 2.3-2.4GHz isn't a deal killer.

> In its former life, this equipment was used in place of wirelines between
> EMA sites. They are now using 10GHz VoIP Ethernet links instead. I thought
> it would be neat to use the old StarPoint stuff to link our amateur stuff
> together as a backup.

Welcome to the world of analog microwave...

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR 
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility.
--rly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Starpoint - Good on 2.4G??

[Kris Kirby]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009, Scott Zimmerman wrote:
> In the past few weeks, I have literally fell into some 2.x GHz 
> Motorola StarPoint gear; complete with antennas and feedline. This has 
> prompted my feeble mind to ask some questions:
> 
> 1. Can this stuff be "up-banded" to 2.4GHz? If so, does anyone have a 
> lead as to who has done it and how.

Should be.
 
> 2. If it can't be "up-banded", can the antennas and feedline be used 
> on 2.4GHz with other WiFi equipment or radios? Is the bandwidth of the 
> 2.x antennas normally broad enough to support 2.4GHz?

100MHz at 2.3-2.4GHz isn't a deal killer.
 
> In its former life, this equipment was used in place of wirelines between 
> EMA sites. They are now using 10GHz VoIP Ethernet links instead. I thought 
> it would be neat to use the old StarPoint stuff to link our amateur stuff 
> together as a backup.

Welcome to the world of analog microwave...

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT - Running or Booting DOS Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Mark]

Hi Skipp!

Thanks - but the biggest problem I have is trying to get the CD to work in
the laptop I am helping the guy with.  We're both thinking that *IF* we can
get Win98 loaded onto the machine, the CD drive itself will be recognized
once the machine boots into Windows.  Right now, it's a Win95 laptop with
only a working floppy.

I have Win98 running on an older desktop, so making a Win98 boot floppy is
not the issue...  Risking getting further and further off topic, all we're
trying to really do is figure out how to get the CD drive to be recognized
in the laptop once Windows boots up.  The drive is seen in BIOS, but not
once the machine boots...  But please, if anyone has further suggestions on
how to remedy the problem -- let's take this to direct e-mail and stop the
OT thread.

On a different topic - did you get my private message regarding the Astron
you were helping me with?

Mark - N9WYS
n9wys <(at)> ameritech <(dot)> net

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:54 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with
Windows 98se

Hi Mark, 

I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 
haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 
Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...

The only operational quirk is that a few (mostly Motorola 
RSS/MSS) programs require you exit Windows 98se to MS Dos. 

And the really ancient programs would like you to slow the 
world (computer) down to a crawl using the Moslow program. 

Otherwise many/most of the original Dos Programs operate 
in Windows 98se using/within a Dos Window. 

    

What you probably need right now is... 

A copy of the original Windows 98 (install) boot disk that 
tests for and loads a number of on floppy disk available 
CD Rom Drivers. Rare is/was the case where the mentioned 
disk failed to boot a usable CD rom driver. 

The disk boot process delivers you to a prompt of install 
Windows from a CD or boot to a prompt with or without a 
CD Rom Driver in place. From that point your machine is now 
booted to a usable command prompt and depending on your 
selection with or without a CD Rom Driver. 

    

How you deal with loading a program from a CD Rom, Hard or 
floppy disk from the above mentioned command prompt is another 
whole thread (I don't have time to type in those steps). 

     

So you need to find/obtain a copy of the mentioned Windows 
98se floppy disk (and there are at least two versions). 

Time to learn about the programs rawread (raw-read) and rawwrite 
(raw-write) which allow you to capture an restore exact floppy 
disk images. The original programs of course required you run them 
on/at a dos command prompt... so that might be a fly in your 
soup if you didn't have the new raw-write program for Windows 
(mentioned below). 

With a copy of a Windows 98se boot floppy disk "image" file 
you can restore/make your own boot disk and boot to 
the command prompt as directed above. 

Raw read and raw write are modestly powerful programs so 
warnings go out to casual users who don't tend to read directions. 

A quick search of the net found a windows version... Lucky 
you. Until I did the search today I had been working with the 
original dos only version... 

http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite  

So in theory... after learning about, finding and installing 
a raw write type program you can "roll your own' (make) Windows 
98se boot disk... you just need the disk file image from 
someone really nice. 

You might contact that person via Email and see what you 
receive back. 

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 

[pasted text]
What is a disk image :
A disk image is a file that contains all the raw data on a 
disk in the original track and sector format. Using a disk 
image enables you to send diskettes that are not MS-DOS format 
via FTP or EMail and then recreate them in their original 
format and integrity. 
[end pasted text]

> "Mark"  wrote:
> Nope - this is an OLD machine.  No USB, no SCSI.
> What I am really needing to find are the DOS/Win95 device 
> drivers for the CD drive.  It's an NEC Versa 4080h.
> 
> Just so we can keep this "sorta" on topic, the primary 
> purpose for this laptop is to run old Motorola and other 
> radio programming software.
> Mark - N9WYS








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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Jim Brown]

I have posted this info on this list before, but for those who missed it:

Windows 98 has a very usable version of DOS supplied.  The only trick is to 
boot to the DOS system without ever getting to Windows.  To do this simply add 
a PAUSE statement as the last line in the autoexec.bat file.

When the boot process gets to this point you will get a message asking if you 
want to continue and you answer with a CTRL-C.  This stops the execution of the 
batch file and leaves you in DOS.  You can add a comment ahead of the PAUSE 
statement to remind yourself that you can exit to DOS at this point.

This version of DOS gives you full access to your hard drive, and has been able 
to run all the DOS programs I have come across to program EEPROMS and EPROMS.  
I boot to Windows and use Hyperterm as a terminal program to access the RS-232 
port and configure a controller.

With a hard drive and Windows XP you will have to boot from a floppy or a CD.  
You may not be able to access the hard drive from this configuration.

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, skipp025  wrote:
From: skipp025 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with 
Windows 98se
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:54 PM











Hi Mark, 



I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 

haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 

Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...



The only operational quirk is that a few (mostly Motorola 

RSS/MSS) programs require you exit Windows 98se to MS Dos. 



And the really ancient programs would like you to slow the 

world (computer) down to a crawl using the Moslow program. 



Otherwise many/most of the original Dos Programs operate 

in Windows 98se using/within a Dos Window. 



 



What you probably need right now is... 



A copy of the original Windows 98 (install) boot disk that 

tests for and loads a number of on floppy disk available 

CD Rom Drivers. Rare is/was the case where the mentioned 

disk failed to boot a usable CD rom driver. 



The disk boot process delivers you to a prompt of install 

Windows from a CD or boot to a prompt with or without a 

CD Rom Driver in place. From that point your machine is now 

booted to a usable command prompt and depending on your 

selection with or without a CD Rom Driver. 



 



How you deal with loading a program from a CD Rom, Hard or 

floppy disk from the above mentioned command prompt is another 

whole thread (I don't have time to type in those steps). 



  



So you need to find/obtain a copy of the mentioned Windows 

98se floppy disk (and there are at least two versions). 



Time to learn about the programs rawread (raw-read) and rawwrite 

(raw-write) which allow you to capture an restore exact floppy 

disk images. The original programs of course required you run them 

on/at a dos command prompt... so that might be a fly in your 

soup if you didn't have the new raw-write program for Windows 

(mentioned below). 



With a copy of a Windows 98se boot floppy disk "image" file 

you can restore/make your own boot disk and boot to 

the command prompt as directed above. 



Raw read and raw write are modestly powerful programs so 

warnings go out to casual users who don't tend to read directions. 



A quick search of the net found a windows version... Lucky 

you. Until I did the search today I had been working with the 

original dos only version... 



http://www.chrysoco me.net/rawwrite 



So in theory... after learning about, finding and installing 

a raw write type program you can "roll your own' (make) Windows 

98se boot disk... you just need the disk file image from 

someone really nice. 



You might contact that person via Email and see what you 

receive back. 



cheers, 

skipp 



skipp025 at yahoo.com 



[pasted text]

What is a disk image :

A disk image is a file that contains all the raw data on a 

disk in the original track and sector format. Using a disk 

image enables you to send diskettes that are not MS-DOS format 

via FTP or EMail and then recreate them in their original 

format and integrity. 

[end pasted text]



> "Mark"  wrote:

> Nope - this is an OLD machine.  No USB, no SCSI.

> What I am really needing to find are the DOS/Win95 device 

> drivers for the CD drive.  It's an NEC Versa 4080h.

> 

> Just so we can keep this "sorta" on topic, the primary 

> purpose for this laptop is to run old Motorola and other 

> radio programming software.

> Mark - N9WYS

._,___

 

















  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Cort Buffington]

It's a Celeron 2.4GHz with, I think 1GB of RAM. Some integrated Intel  
video. It's a cheap e-machines about 4-5 years old.


On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Wade wrote:


Cort,

What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP
Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)?

Dennis

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington > wrote:
> Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run  
the RSS
> from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run  
all of my
> junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter,  
purple dragons
> would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support  
from the

> FreeDOS folks yet.
> Here's the config:
> Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16.  
I can move
> files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to  
run the

> ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16
> partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go.  
It's
> worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone.  
My

> experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS.
> Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot  
off a
> small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial  
drivers, drive
> geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this  
combination, it
> did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last  
winter.


--
Dennis L. Wade
KG6ZI
Carmichael, CA




--
Cort Buffington
H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Dennis Wade]

Cort,

What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP
Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)?

 Dennis

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington  wrote:
> Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS
> from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of my
> junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple dragons
> would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the
> FreeDOS folks yet.
> Here's the config:
> Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can move
> files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the
> ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16
> partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's
> worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My
> experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS.
> Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a
> small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive
> geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it
> did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter.


-- 
Dennis L. Wade
KG6ZI
Carmichael, CA

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Cort Buffington]

Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the  
RSS from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run  
all of my junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial  
adapter, purple dragons would most likely arise. I've not dug into any  
of that support from the FreeDOS folks yet.


Here's the config:

Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I  
can move files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I  
need to run the ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD  
to the FAT16 partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and  
away I go. It's worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work  
for everyone. My experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS.


Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off  
a small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers,  
drive geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this  
combination, it did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable  
here since last winter.


On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:15 PM, skipp025 wrote:


Get well Cort...

The only problem I can see with running only from CD is saving
data. However, if you can boot to a CD and save to the floppy
then life might be peachy.

The other purple dragon (problem) is the com port hardware,
another whole topic unto itself.

s.

> Cort Buffington  wrote:
>
> Hi guys, this may be a bit OT. I've been sick lately and not
> keeping up, but caught Skipp's reply.
>
> I've been using a live CD of FreeDos to run all of my ancient
> motorola RSS packages on. I've been completely successful
> in running RSS such as version 1.0 of the radius mobiles
> under the FreeDos live CD on a Celeron 2.4GHz machine... no
> tricks. I went through tons of iterations of how to keep
> old stuff for DOS alive. Finally this thing has been
> the magic bullet for me.





--
Cort Buffington
H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[skipp025]

Get well Cort... 

The only problem I can see with running only from CD is saving 
data. However, if you can boot to a CD and save to the floppy 
then life might be peachy. 

The other purple dragon (problem) is the com port hardware, 
another whole topic unto itself. 

s. 

> Cort Buffington  wrote:
>
> Hi guys, this may be a bit OT. I've been sick lately and not 
> keeping   up, but caught Skipp's reply.
> 
> I've been using a live CD of FreeDos to run all of my ancient 
> motorola  RSS packages on. I've been completely successful 
> in running RSS such as version 1.0 of the radius mobiles 
> under the FreeDos live CD on a Celeron 2.4GHz machine... no 
> tricks. I went through tons of iterations of how to keep 
> old stuff for DOS alive. Finally this thing has been  
> the magic bullet for me.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[Cort Buffington]

Hi guys, this may be a bit OT. I've been sick lately and not keeping  
up, but caught Skipp's reply.


I've been using a live CD of FreeDos to run all of my ancient motorola  
RSS packages on. I've been completely successful in running RSS such  
as version 1.0 of the radius mobiles under the FreeDos live CD on a  
Celeron 2.4GHz machine... no tricks. I went through tons of iterations  
of how to keep old stuff for DOS alive. Finally this thing has been  
the magic bullet for me.


On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:54 PM, skipp025 wrote:


Hi Mark,

I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I
haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP
Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...

The only operational quirk is that a few (mostly Motorola
RSS/MSS) programs require you exit Windows 98se to MS Dos.

And the really ancient programs would like you to slow the
world (computer) down to a crawl using the Moslow program.

Otherwise many/most of the original Dos Programs operate
in Windows 98se using/within a Dos Window.



What you probably need right now is...

A copy of the original Windows 98 (install) boot disk that
tests for and loads a number of on floppy disk available
CD Rom Drivers. Rare is/was the case where the mentioned
disk failed to boot a usable CD rom driver.

The disk boot process delivers you to a prompt of install
Windows from a CD or boot to a prompt with or without a
CD Rom Driver in place. From that point your machine is now
booted to a usable command prompt and depending on your
selection with or without a CD Rom Driver.



How you deal with loading a program from a CD Rom, Hard or
floppy disk from the above mentioned command prompt is another
whole thread (I don't have time to type in those steps).



So you need to find/obtain a copy of the mentioned Windows
98se floppy disk (and there are at least two versions).

Time to learn about the programs rawread (raw-read) and rawwrite
(raw-write) which allow you to capture an restore exact floppy
disk images. The original programs of course required you run them
on/at a dos command prompt... so that might be a fly in your
soup if you didn't have the new raw-write program for Windows
(mentioned below).

With a copy of a Windows 98se boot floppy disk "image" file
you can restore/make your own boot disk and boot to
the command prompt as directed above.

Raw read and raw write are modestly powerful programs so
warnings go out to casual users who don't tend to read directions.

A quick search of the net found a windows version... Lucky
you. Until I did the search today I had been working with the
original dos only version...

http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite

So in theory... after learning about, finding and installing
a raw write type program you can "roll your own' (make) Windows
98se boot disk... you just need the disk file image from
someone really nice.

You might contact that person via Email and see what you
receive back.

cheers,
skipp

skipp025 at yahoo.com

[pasted text]
What is a disk image :
A disk image is a file that contains all the raw data on a
disk in the original track and sector format. Using a disk
image enables you to send diskettes that are not MS-DOS format
via FTP or EMail and then recreate them in their original
format and integrity.
[end pasted text]

> "Mark"  wrote:
> Nope - this is an OLD machine. No USB, no SCSI.
> What I am really needing to find are the DOS/Win95 device
> drivers for the CD drive. It's an NEC Versa 4080h.
>
> Just so we can keep this "sorta" on topic, the primary
> purpose for this laptop is to run old Motorola and other
> radio programming software.
> Mark - N9WYS





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H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206

[Repeater-Builder] Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se

[skipp025]

Hi Mark, 

I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I 
haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP 
Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...

The only operational quirk is that a few (mostly Motorola 
RSS/MSS) programs require you exit Windows 98se to MS Dos. 

And the really ancient programs would like you to slow the 
world (computer) down to a crawl using the Moslow program. 

Otherwise many/most of the original Dos Programs operate 
in Windows 98se using/within a Dos Window. 

    

What you probably need right now is... 

A copy of the original Windows 98 (install) boot disk that 
tests for and loads a number of on floppy disk available 
CD Rom Drivers. Rare is/was the case where the mentioned 
disk failed to boot a usable CD rom driver. 

The disk boot process delivers you to a prompt of install 
Windows from a CD or boot to a prompt with or without a 
CD Rom Driver in place. From that point your machine is now 
booted to a usable command prompt and depending on your 
selection with or without a CD Rom Driver. 

    

How you deal with loading a program from a CD Rom, Hard or 
floppy disk from the above mentioned command prompt is another 
whole thread (I don't have time to type in those steps). 

     

So you need to find/obtain a copy of the mentioned Windows 
98se floppy disk (and there are at least two versions). 

Time to learn about the programs rawread (raw-read) and rawwrite 
(raw-write) which allow you to capture an restore exact floppy 
disk images. The original programs of course required you run them 
on/at a dos command prompt... so that might be a fly in your 
soup if you didn't have the new raw-write program for Windows 
(mentioned below). 

With a copy of a Windows 98se boot floppy disk "image" file 
you can restore/make your own boot disk and boot to 
the command prompt as directed above. 

Raw read and raw write are modestly powerful programs so 
warnings go out to casual users who don't tend to read directions. 

A quick search of the net found a windows version... Lucky 
you. Until I did the search today I had been working with the 
original dos only version... 

http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite 

So in theory... after learning about, finding and installing 
a raw write type program you can "roll your own' (make) Windows 
98se boot disk... you just need the disk file image from 
someone really nice. 

You might contact that person via Email and see what you 
receive back. 

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 

[pasted text]
What is a disk image :
A disk image is a file that contains all the raw data on a 
disk in the original track and sector format. Using a disk 
image enables you to send diskettes that are not MS-DOS format 
via FTP or EMail and then recreate them in their original 
format and integrity. 
[end pasted text]

> "Mark"  wrote:
> Nope - this is an OLD machine.  No USB, no SCSI.
> What I am really needing to find are the DOS/Win95 device 
> drivers for the CD drive.  It's an NEC Versa 4080h.
> 
> Just so we can keep this "sorta" on topic, the primary 
> purpose for this laptop is to run old Motorola and other 
> radio programming software.
> Mark - N9WYS

[Repeater-Builder] need manual for Motorola R2001C service monitor

[VA2RC]

Hello to all, i'm looking to get a copy of operation and maintenance
for the Motorola R2001C service monitor.

Somebody can help me ?

thank you.

Francois VA2RC

[Repeater-Builder] 49 MHz portables converted to 52 MHz

[skipp025]

Hi John, 

In addition to the Radio Shack units... we also used the Regency 
Micro Comm Portables, which were kind of junkie, but they did work 
and were cheap to buy... not to mention I have the service manual 
for them.  We made two into a wide split repeater but it was not 
a great performer. 

I'll bet that HT-200 low band antenna was the silver extending 
whip or the real funny rubber duck. 

Looking forward to the swap starting again... but now located 
at De Anza College. 

http://www.electronicsfleamarket.com/ 

The original 49 MHz low power frequencies used by walkie talkies 
and cordless telephones are/were...  49.830MHz, 49.845, 49.860, 
49.875 and 49.890MHz. The previous doesn't include the later 
added cordless telephone input/duplex frequencies a few MHz lower.  

And of course baby monitors can be found on those frequencies. Oh 
I could tell you some very funny stories about "haunted baby 
monitors". Maybe at Dayton... 

cheers, 
s. 

> "JOHN MACKEY"  wrote:
> In the early 1990's I was at the Foothill College Swap meet 
> in the San Jose area and there were several guys running around 
> with the radio shack 49 MHz walkie-talkies that were modified 
> to 52.525 Mhz.
> 
> At that time, it was kinda cool, but my HT-200 was operating 
> just fine on 52.525 Mhz (and still is).
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: w7...@...
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Radios and Coms in TV and Movies
> 
>  Hi Gang,
>  
>  Don't forget the "Part 15" channels on 49 mHz. There were at 
> least (3). Power limit was 100 mw. I still have a few Sears 
> walkie-talkies of that type (late 70's) I think they are 
> "AM"? Always thought about "upping power"(-: When "Skip" was 
> in it was an interesting band. The channels were different 
> that the old cordless that are on 49 mHz.
> Tim Hardy W7TRH Wa.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Are you ready for narrowbanding?

[skipp025]

> "William E. Janes"  wrote:
> A couple of points here if I may .. 
> 1) The narrow-banding kit sold by Communications Specialists 
> will narrow the receiver bandwidth, but will not take into account 
> modifications needed in the discriminator to deliver full rated 
> audio output. 

Which in reality should be just the addition to, or modification of 
the trailing detected audio output stage. One might also change 
some of the discriminator part values to the more practical NB 
values. 

> Most later models use a discriminator IC that usually cannot 
> be modified. 

In addition to the IF bandwidth... 
The bandwidth should normally be limited or restricted by the 
IC's adjacent connected parts. In many cases just changing the 
typical IF crystal filters is not a complete narrow band 
conversion. 

An interesting look is how Kenwood does NB/WB in their TKR-750 
and TKR-850 repeaters... electronically switching two IF sections 
after the first DB Mixer. 

> If you get what you need by just turning the volume up higher, 
> OK no problem... BUT...

Some receivers kick in an additional or higher gain stage after 
the detector to restore (increase) the recovered audio level.
In some cases where the receiver audio output is connected to 
an off-board device (a repeater controller audio input), the input 
audio level pot on the repeater controller board can/does often 
cover the difference for the required audio level to the 
controller.  


> 2) Narrowband transmitters have to be designed AND FCC type 
> accepted to work in the narrow-band mode. This has to do with 
> the overall emission envelope. Just turning down the deviation 
> circuitry to 2.5 kHz will reduce the amount of deviation, but 
> not the bandwidth of the emission overall. 
> Turning down the deviation is simply not a legal option. If 
> it isn't type accepted for Narrow Band it can't be used to 
> transmit. 

I really, really, really don't want to debate this... but I will 
say the responsibility of the transmitter operation is to the 
actual license holder. 

A converted one time type accepted radio operating with the proper 
deviation/bandwidth should be just fine. The question of its 
legality (as told to me by some officials) will probably never 
come into question. 

> There is a second caveat to turning down the deviation. since 
> a lot of transmitters encode either digital or tone squelch 
> injected without components (pots) allowing adjustment of 
> the level, the transmitter will be sending those at +\- 600-800 
> Hz before narrowbanding. That equates to approximately 15% of the
> available modulation. When you narrowband, the transmitter 
> will still be cranking out tone or digital signals that will 
> now be at about 30% modulation. Obviously this is gonna have 
> a horrible effect on transmitted audio quality.

Doesn't read like you've heard many of the narrow band LTR 
(trunking) systems on the air with "red-hot" signaling deviation. 
Oh they are terrible... 

So the mod for the fixed value part deviation transmitter 
encoder levels (like the MSR-2000) is to change out one resistor.

> Any radio type accepted after February 14(?) 1997 was required 
> to be capable of narrowband. In the case of the HT1000 for 
> example, several versions were type accepted before, and did 
> not include a narrow-band mode while those type accepted 
> afterward did. That is true for many radios from all manufacturers.
> The only tried and proven method is too 'read' each radio, and 
> see what it can do. My experience is that most manufacturers 
> have not been too enthusiastic in trying to compile lists model 
> by model. I suppose I can understand that to a degree (ducking 
> the rotten tomatoes) as they have long since discontinued support 
> on a lot of these radios, and the task would be monumental 
> considering the number of individual model variations /numbers
> for each individual series (HT1000 is the SERIES and H01RDC9AA3BN 
> is the model number for one specific radio with a unique 
> combination of options including frequency, band split, channels 
> etc). 

Agreed... However, if you have someone running around checking 
radio model numbers just to point out one specific radio model 
doesn't appear on a list somewhere... that person has way to 
much time on their hands. Especially since the radio may be 
converted and operating in narrow band. 
 
> In the case of the Midland ST1 radios, as I recall, the narrow 
> band units were special order options. The basic 'normal' radio 
> was not capable. 

Yep... they are old enough in time that narrow band was just an 
optional blip on the radar screen. 
 
> January 1, 2011 will bring some interesting consequences. On 
> that date it will be illegal to manufacture or import any radio 
> with a wide band mode. 

Like Digital TV... a cluster yet to rear it's full size ugly 
head. 

> There are some that say mixing w/n on the same channel will 
> be detrimental to communications, others say it w

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Controller connections to a TK-730

[Mike Mullarkey]

HI Larry,

 

Its been a long time since I have touched the radios but YES, there are
connections to connect to a controller particularly the descrimintor audio
as well as the necessary stuff like PTT, TX Audio etc. We had several 830
for LTR repeaters mated to LTR controllers because they had a good front end
and lasted.

 

Colorado Telecom, L.L.C

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n1miw
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Controller connections to a TK-730

 

Hello group,

I was wondering if any of you have connected a Kenwood TK-730 to a
controller for receiver purposes? We are particularly interested in
where to pick up the audio. Don't want to come directly from the
speaker - we're actually looking for the discriminator audio. Any help
is as always appreciated. Larry N1MIW

 

[Repeater-Builder] Controller connections to a TK-730

[n1miw]

Hello group,

   I was wondering if any of you have connected a Kenwood TK-730 to a
controller for receiver purposes? We are particularly interested in
where to pick up the audio. Don't want to come directly from the
speaker - we're actually looking for the discriminator audio. Any help
is as always appreciated.  Larry N1MIW

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Mark]

Nope - this is an OLD machine.  No USB, no SCSI.

 

What I am really needing to find are the DOS/Win95 device drivers for the CD
drive.  It's an NEC Versa 4080h.

 

Just so we can keep this "sorta" on topic, the primary purpose for this
laptop is to run old Motorola and other radio programming software.

 

Mark - N9WYS

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Barry

 

you  have several options , check if the machine is able to load an external
usb drive . if not investigate one of the linux distro which can , perhaps
puppy and boot in small form floppy , if it has a scsi port then it's easy
or you might consider  installing dos and one of the older overlays which
prevelant years go when I started out . Basucally buy the machine and let us
no .. I am sure there is a simple solution .maybe even adding a cd drive and
dos drivers then load the files from there...

  _  

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: n9...@ameritech.net
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0600
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

Or you can try a local hamfest - there are usually older laptops that show
up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!

The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older
laptop with only a floppy drive... A friend of mine picked up a laptop with
an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.
Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even
though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS. 

We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get it
to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
is 200+ MB... That's over 200 floppies!!! *OR* we need the Win95 device
driver for the CD drive.

Sorry for going even further off topic...

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
(snip)

> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with 
> my old
> Windows 3.1 software.
> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program 
> the repeater
> controller.

Get an old laptop instead. Even if you can't keep the battery alive, 
it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and 
then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus. Old laptops 
that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at 
used computer shops. They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them. 
Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them 
properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk 
dealers.

> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could 
> get a
> Windows AT program to work with XP.

A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you 
need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even, 
that you set aside JUST for programming old radios. A bonus would be 
to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.



 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Mike Mullarkey]

There seems to be a bootable cd that will allow to boot into a DOS prompt. I
hope this works.

 

Colorado Telecom, L.L.C

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MCH
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:05 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

 

Just out of curiosity, what was your solution?

Joe M.

Mike Mullarkey wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions and solutions. I have found the solution 
> I am going to use and appreciate all the help. If you want to send me 
> any other suggestions please email me off the list.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> Colorado Telecom, L.L.C
> 
> Mike Mullarkey
> 
> 6886 Sage Ave
> 
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 
> 303-954-9695 Home
> 
> 303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax
> 
> 303-718-8052 Cellular
> 
> --
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:57 AM
> *To:* repeater-builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
> 
> 
> 
> you have several options , check if the machine is able to load an 
> external usb drive . if not investigate one of the linux distro which 
> can , perhaps puppy and boot in small form floppy , if it has a scsi 
> port then it's easy or you might consider installing dos and one of the 
> older overlays which prevelant years go when I started out . Basucally 
> buy the machine and let us no .. I am sure there is a simple solution 
> .maybe even adding a cd drive and dos drivers then load the files from 
> there...
> 
> --
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> From: n9...@ameritech.  net
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0600
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
> 
> Or you can try a local hamfest - there are usually older laptops that show
> up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!
> 
> The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older
> laptop with only a floppy drive... A friend of mine picked up a laptop
with
> an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.
> Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even
> though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS.
> 
> We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get
it
> to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
> is 200+ MB... That's over 200 floppies!!! *OR* we need the Win95 device
> driver for the CD drive.
> 
> Sorry for going even further off topic...
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> -Original Message-
> (snip)
> 
>> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with
>> my old
>> Windows 3.1 software.
>> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program
>> the repeater
>> controller.
> 
> Get an old laptop instead. Even if you can't keep the battery alive,
> it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and
> then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus. Old laptops
> that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at
> used computer shops. They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them.
> Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them
> properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk
> dealers.
> 
>> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could
>> get a
>> Windows AT program to work with XP.
> 
> A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you
> need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even,
> that you set aside JUST for programming old radios. A bonus would be
> to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Download free Holiday emoticons today! Messenger's gift to you! 
> 
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> 
> 

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[MCH]

Just out of curiosity, what was your solution?

Joe M.

Mike Mullarkey wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions and solutions. I have found the solution 
> I am going to use and appreciate all the help. If you want to send me 
> any other suggestions please email me off the list.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Mike
> 
>  
> 
> Colorado Telecom, L.L.C
> 
> Mike Mullarkey
> 
> 6886 Sage Ave
> 
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 
> 303-954-9695 Home
> 
> 303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax
> 
> 303-718-8052 Cellular
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:57 AM
> *To:* repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
> 
>  
> 
> you  have several options , check if the machine is able to load an 
> external usb drive . if not investigate one of the linux distro which 
> can , perhaps puppy and boot in small form floppy , if it has a scsi 
> port then it's easy or you might consider  installing dos and one of the 
> older overlays which prevelant years go when I started out . Basucally 
> buy the machine and let us no .. I am sure there is a simple solution 
> .maybe even adding a cd drive and dos drivers then load the files from 
> there...
> 
> 
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: n9...@ameritech.net
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0600
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
> 
> Or you can try a local hamfest - there are usually older laptops that show
> up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!
> 
> The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older
> laptop with only a floppy drive... A friend of mine picked up a laptop with
> an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.
> Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even
> though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS.
> 
> We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get it
> to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
> is 200+ MB... That's over 200 floppies!!! *OR* we need the Win95 device
> driver for the CD drive.
> 
> Sorry for going even further off topic...
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> -Original Message-
> (snip)
> 
>>  I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with
>>  my old
>>  Windows 3.1 software.
>>  This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program
>>  the repeater
>>  controller.
> 
> Get an old laptop instead. Even if you can't keep the battery alive,
> it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and
> then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus. Old laptops
> that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at
> used computer shops. They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them.
> Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them
> properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk
> dealers.
> 
>>  I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could
>>  get a
>>  Windows AT program to work with XP.
> 
> A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you
> need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even,
> that you set aside JUST for programming old radios. A bonus would be
> to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Download free Holiday emoticons today! Messenger's gift to you! 
> 
> 
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Mike Mullarkey]

Thanks for all the suggestions and solutions. I have found the solution I am
going to use and appreciate all the help. If you want to send me any other
suggestions please email me off the list.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

 

Colorado Telecom, L.L.C

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:57 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

 

you  have several options , check if the machine is able to load an external
usb drive . if not investigate one of the linux distro which can , perhaps
puppy and boot in small form floppy , if it has a scsi port then it's easy
or you might consider  installing dos and one of the older overlays which
prevelant years go when I started out . Basucally buy the machine and let us
no .. I am sure there is a simple solution .maybe even adding a cd drive and
dos drivers then load the files from there...

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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: n9...@ameritech.net
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0600
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

Or you can try a local hamfest - there are usually older laptops that show
up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!

The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older
laptop with only a floppy drive... A friend of mine picked up a laptop with
an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.
Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even
though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS. 

We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get it
to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
is 200+ MB... That's over 200 floppies!!! *OR* we need the Win95 device
driver for the CD drive.

Sorry for going even further off topic...

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
(snip)

> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with 
> my old
> Windows 3.1 software.
> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program 
> the repeater
> controller.

Get an old laptop instead. Even if you can't keep the battery alive, 
it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and 
then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus. Old laptops 
that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at 
used computer shops. They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them. 
Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them 
properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk 
dealers.

> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could 
> get a
> Windows AT program to work with XP.

A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you 
need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even, 
that you set aside JUST for programming old radios. A bonus would be 
to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.



 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Barry]

you  have several options , check if the machine is able to load an external 
usb drive . if not investigate one of the linux distro which can , perhaps 
puppy and boot in small form floppy , if it has a scsi port then it's easy or 
you might consider  installing dos and one of the older overlays which 
prevelant years go when I started out . Basucally buy the machine and let us no 
.. I am sure there is a simple solution .maybe even adding a cd drive and dos 
drivers then load the files from there...

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: n9...@ameritech.net
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0600
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic




















Or you can try a local hamfest - there are usually older laptops 
that show

up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!



The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older

laptop with only a floppy drive...  A friend of mine picked up a laptop with

an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.

Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even

though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS.  



We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get it

to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98

is 200+ MB...  That's over 200 floppies!!!  *OR* we need the Win95 device

driver for the CD drive.



Sorry for going even further off topic...



Mark - N9WYS

 

-Original Message-

(snip)



> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with  

> my old

> Windows 3.1 software.

> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program  

> the repeater

> controller.



Get an old laptop instead.  Even if you can't keep the battery alive,  

it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and  

then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus.  Old laptops  

that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at  

used computer shops.  They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them.   

Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them  

properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk  

dealers.



> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could  

> get a

> Windows AT program to work with XP.



A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you  

need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even,  

that you set aside JUST for programming old radios.  A bonus would be  

to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.




  














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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Mark]

Taken off-list to private reply...

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of Alexandre Souza

> We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get 
> it
> to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
> is 200+ MB...  That's over 200 floppies!!!  *OR* we need the Win95 device
> driver for the CD drive.

You have two easy alternatives:
- Take the HD off and use an external HD enclosure to load up the disks 
of W98 in a dir. I usually create a dir called "win98" and copy all files 
there. In www.dealextreme.com you can find an enclousre for less than 10 
dollars.
- Use a parallel laplink cable to load the files thru the parallel port 
(faster than serial)

Does the laptop have a USB port?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Alexandre Souza]

> We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get 
> it
> to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
> is 200+ MB...  That's over 200 floppies!!!  *OR* we need the Win95 device
> driver for the CD drive.

You have two easy alternatives:
- Take the HD off and use an external HD enclosure to load up the disks 
of W98 in a dir. I usually create a dir called "win98" and copy all files 
there. In www.dealextreme.com you can find an enclousre for less than 10 
dollars.
- Use a parallel laplink cable to load the files thru the parallel port 
(faster than serial)

Does the laptop have a USB port?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Mark]

Or you can try a local hamfest - there are usually older laptops that show
up there, too... some for as little as $10 - $20!

The biggest problem I have run into so far is loading Win98 onto an older
laptop with only a floppy drive...  A friend of mine picked up a laptop with
an interchangeable drive bay, and then bought a CD Drive for the laptop.
Problem is: Win95 (loaded on the machine) won't recognize the drive, even
though it IS seen and recognized by the BIOS.  

We think that *IF* we can find a way to load Win98 via floppy, we can get it
to recognize the drive, but for now, the CD is unusable. Problem is, Win98
is 200+ MB...  That's over 200 floppies!!!  *OR* we need the Win95 device
driver for the CD drive.

Sorry for going even further off topic...

Mark - N9WYS
 
-Original Message-
(snip)

> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with  
> my old
> Windows 3.1 software.
> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program  
> the repeater
> controller.

Get an old laptop instead.  Even if you can't keep the battery alive,  
it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and  
then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus.  Old laptops  
that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at  
used computer shops.  They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them.   
Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them  
properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk  
dealers.

> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could  
> get a
> Windows AT program to work with XP.


A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you  
need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even,  
that you set aside JUST for programming old radios.  A bonus would be  
to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Off Topic

[Jim Brown]

I bought an IBM 390 laptop on eBay for $9.95 that was advertised without a hard 
drive.  The vendor responded to a question that I asked about booting to DOS 
from a floppy and he indicated that it would.

It has an EPP capable parallel port as well as a standard 9 pin serial port and 
I use the parallel port to program EEPROMs as well as EPROMs with external 
programmers.  The serial port works great to program my Zetron (special serial 
cable) and Pion and Simon and ID-O-Matic controllers.

Taking a desktop to a site was not an option for me, and I have found the old 
IBM (233 mHz) to be the simple answer for remote computer tasks.

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, kh6...@netscape.net  wrote:
From: kh6...@netscape.net 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:17 AM











Thanks for this Off Topic.

In the days of 386's, 486's, etc. desktops & notebooks had RS-232c ports.

 

What can be done with the XP notebooks, like mine, with no Db-9, RS-232c

ports, all that is available is USB ports?



I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with my old

Windows 3.1 software.

This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program the 
repeater

controller.



I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could get a

Windows AT program to work with XP.



I await your solutions.



73's & Thanks.

Jim    Kh6jkg.



-Original Message-

From: AJ 

To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 6:32 pm

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic













However...



As the previous replies have stated, while you may be able to open and run the 
DOS application in XP, you won't be able to do anything with regards to 
controlling external devices via serial, such as a radio in the case of RSS...



XP has some rather nasty issues with typing the serial ports for Windows-only 
applications. ..





73s and good luck,



AJ, K6LOR





On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Ken Arck  wrote:















At 07:59 PM 1/17/2009, Mike Mullarkey wrote:




Does anybody know if one can get a DOS program to run on Windows XP.



 
 RUN and at the C:/ prompt, do what you need.



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] True ValueHardware Software [Hardware] (controller) in your repeater?

[WA7ZZT]

Yes,
Works good for a low cost repeater controller.
Also does a link if you want.
Dennis
 
skipp025 wrote:
>
> Re: True Value Software [Hardware](controller) in your repeater?
>
> Never heard of the True Value Software TVS-701 Repeater Controller
> before. Any of you folks got (John Madden) one in a box of yours?
>
> True Value software TVS 701 Repeater Controller
> Ebay Item number: 290289330903
>
> your opinions please..?
>
> cheers,
> s.
>
> 
> 
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 
> 3:09 PM
>
>   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Radios and Coms in TV and Movies

[Ken Decker]

Since we're talking about old radios, does anyone remember the West Coast 
Electronics
Model MFM-15-150B?  That's what got 2m FM going in San Diego in the early '60s.
We bought a bunch of these from the Yellow Cab Co. when they upgraded to Motos.

I'm working on a history of early FM in San Diego County and would like to find 
a picture
of one of these units. Both inside and out.

Thanks,
Ken
WA6OSB

  - Original Message - 
  From: JOHN MACKEY 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 13:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Radios and Coms in TV and Movies


  I had one of the Sonar FM radios that I bought for $20 already crystalled up
  on 29.6 MHz in about 1985. I ran if for a base station for a couple years,
  the squelch action was not the best.

  Eventually, I upgraded to a Mocom 70 base!

  -- Original Message --
  Received: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:21:55 AM PST
  From: w7...@comcast.net
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Radios and Coms in TV and Movies

  > Hello Group,
  > 
  > I have a couple of the "Silver Grill" E.F. Johnson "Business Band" tube type
  radios from the 60's. They are AM, and about 8 watts out. They are a "Twin" to
  the CB set Johnson produced around the same time. Also don't forget about
  "Sonar" brand. They produced a low band business transciever (AM) with
  matching power amplifier. I am happy there is still an interest in the
  preservation of these "Boat Anchors" When they are gone.they are gone
  forever! They do bring a smile to many folks, and that's what counts.
  > 
  > I don't know what ever populated the "part 15" 49 mHz. band, after the
  cordless phones changed frequency. Seems like a waste, if no one is active.
  > 
  > 73's de Tim Hardy W7TRH
  > Vashon Is. Wa.
  > 
  > 
  > -- Original message -- 
  > From: Joe  
  > Someone supposedly converted 2 of these radios into a repeater years 
  > ago. Hooked up the audio leads and swapped transmit crystals so they 
  > were on 2 different freqs. They did the same in the HT's that they 
  > talked to it with. Early budding hams, I guess.
  > 
  > Joe
  > 
  > w7...@comcast.net wrote:
  > > Hi Gang,
  > > 
  > > Don't forget the "Part 15" channels on 49 mHz. There were at least 
  > > (3). Power limit was 100 mw. I still have a few Sears walkie-talkies 
  > > of that type (late 70's) I think they are "AM"? Always thought about 
  > > "upping power"(-: When "Skip" was in it was an interesting band. The 
  > > channels were differnt that the old cordless that are on 49 mHz.
  > > 
  > > Tim Hardy W7TRH Wa.
  > 
  > 
  > 



   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic

[Eric Grabowski]

Nate suggested shopping for an old laptop at used computer stores. Another 
place to check is Thrift Stores. A few years ago I bought a CPU (mini-tower 
with Win98), keyboard, mouse, and speakers for $7 at a Salvation Army Thrift 
Store. It worked just fine. Okay, I'll admit that I did have to replace the 
real-time clock battery.   It's still being used as a packet terminal at 
one of our remote ECCs.
 
73 and aloha, Eric KH6CQ

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Nate Duehr  wrote:

From: Nate Duehr 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 8:29 PM







On Jan 17, 2009, at 11:17 PM, kh6...@netscape. net wrote:

> Thanks for this Off Topic.
> In the days of 386's, 486's, etc. desktops & notebooks had RS-232c 
> ports.

You can still get motherboards with serial and parallel ports, but 
most mass market machines don't have them anymore.

> What can be done with the XP notebooks, like mine, with no Db-9, 
> RS-232c
> ports, all that is available is USB ports?

USB to serial converters for programs that understand them. Late- 
model radios from today's manufacturers program just fine with that. 
But most of us here are using older stuff, built in a time when the 
programming software needed raw hardware access to the serial ports.

> I am hoping to get an old dest top with Db-9, RS-232c working with 
> my old
> Windows 3.1 software.
> This will mean taking this desk top to the repeater site, to program 
> the repeater
> controller.

Get an old laptop instead. Even if you can't keep the battery alive, 
it's a lot more convenient to lug an older heavy laptop around, and 
then it comes with its own keyboard & monitor as a bonus. Old laptops 
that will run DOS/Win 3.11 can often be found for far under $100 at 
used computer shops. They're ancient and the shop doesn't want them. 
Often it will cost the shop more to pay to recycle/dispose of them 
properly, than to give them away to you, if you find the right junk 
dealers.

> I have a USB to Db-9, RS-232c adapter w/ a cd software. If I could 
> get a
> Windows AT program to work with XP.

It probably won't work. If the program knows how to access high COM 
ports (unlikely) and was not talking directly to the serial hardware 
(also unlikely), then maybe.

> I await your solutions.

A cheap old laptop loaded with DOS/Win 3.11/Win 98/whatever you 
need... multiple boot it with multiple partitions if you like even, 
that you set aside JUST for programming old radios. A bonus would be 
to find a "twin" for it and image the hard drive, and have a spare.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
n...@natetech. com