RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source for Telewave Multicoupler FET's

[Paul Finch]

Joe,

If you don't mind me asking, how much was the board?

Paul
WB5IDM

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Burkleo
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source for Telewave Multicoupler FET's

Ken,
As always, thanks a lot.

Russ, KD7IOP gave Telewave a call after I talked to you, and it looks
like we are just going to put one of the new updated preamp boards in
our VHF unit that is down.

Russ did find out that the preamp board is 50 ohms in and out, so in
an emergency, one could get creative if needed.

73,
Joe - WA7JAW


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 04:13 PM 8/6/2008, Joe Burkleo wrote:
> 
> >Anyone know the correct part number and a source for the FET's that
> >Telelwave uses in their TWR series of multicouplers for 150 and 450?
> 
>  
> Ken
> 
> 
>

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Source for Telewave Multicoupler FET's

[Paul Finch]

I would be interested in that info also!  I have a VHF unit down right now.

Paul
 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:13 PM
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Source for Telewave Multicoupler FET's

Anyone know the correct part number and a source for the FET's that
Telelwave uses in their TWR series of multicouplers for 150 and 450?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Unknow Radio - Anyone can help?

[Paul Finch]

And one of the most dependable radios Mot ever built.

Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:02 AM
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At 07:16 AM 08/02/08, you wrote:
> > Can you post a photo or two of the interior ?
>
> I don't have it, but you can take a look at the schematics on
>http://www.msxpro.com/py2bbs/esquemateca.php
>
> It is the last schematic, the "Unitel Patrulheiro III"
>
> Greetz from Brazil
> Alexandre - PU1BZZ

In the "adjustes" file there are some interior photos.

As others have said, that radio is the USA model called
the "Mocom 70".   It was preceded by the Motrac (hybrid
tube/transistor) and the Motran (all transistor) and followed
by the Micor.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Storm Damage

[Paul Finch]

Correction, I actually vacuumed it out with a industrial strength vacuum
pump.  I bought it several years ago for $180.00, new they sold for
$1200.00.  I lucked out.
 
If you just let it drain it will not get all the moisture out, you have to
use some kind of pump to put a vacuum on the line before you pump it full of
nitrogen or dry air for a dehydrator pump.  I use a dehydrator pump on my
lines.
 
Paul
 

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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:54 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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I drained some out of a 7/8 line..
 
Paul
 
 

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Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:51 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Storm Damage


Don, the guys in Live Oak are stll drying out the room the repeater is
located in.  With a flat top roof, it seems the water level built up so fast
that it came down some of the electrical conduits that extended about a foot
above the roof level and flooded the equipment room on the 5th floor of the
building.  I think they need to work on the roof drainage before the next
Hello Dolly.

The repeater may be back on the air Monday -

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

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So who else drained a liter of water from a 600ft air dielectric hard
line today? Who wants the video?

 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Storm Damage

[Paul Finch]

I drained some out of a 7/8 line..
 
Paul
 
 

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Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:51 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Storm Damage


Don, the guys in Live Oak are stll drying out the room the repeater is
located in.  With a flat top roof, it seems the water level built up so fast
that it came down some of the electrical conduits that extended about a foot
above the roof level and flooded the equipment room on the 5th floor of the
building.  I think they need to work on the roof drainage before the next
Hello Dolly.

The repeater may be back on the air Monday -

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: How to figure cable length for duplexer?

[Paul Finch]

Bob and Group,

Telewave used to, my Ex-Boss used to call up and ask Ray Collins what the
length of coax would be for to change a channel on a combiner to a new
frequency.  Ray would give him a length and the Boss would have one of us
Techs to build it.  Sadly, Ray is semi-retired and only works about a half
day now and I guess the other guys have decided to go another route when you
need a cable.  

I called a couple months ago about tying my two four channel UHF combiners
together to make a 8 channel combiner.  They gave me a rather high dollar
amount to build it at the factory only to give me the length so I could
build it at my shop.  They said they could also build one up for me for a
phenomenal fee so it would be correct.  I declined and drove to one of my Ex
Bosses sites and found a Telewave combiner with about the same frequencies
and measured the harness.  I came back and built one up and so far it's
working pretty well.

Paul
  

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob M.
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:42 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: How to figure cable length for duplexer?

Telewave is VERY responsive to e-mails and even phone calls. I've had
technical questions about their duplexers on several occasions and have sent
e-mail to their only public e-mail address. Usually I get a reply later the
same day or first thing in the morning from a man named Ray Collins. Turns
out he's the president of Telewave and very nice to converse with. Highly
recommended.

I will offer this, however. Celwave (and possibly other manufacturers) seem
to have "cut lists" which specify the lengths of coax you need between
cavities and from the last cavity to the TEE connector. Telewave doesn't
seem to have them; I've asked in the past and I'm always told they make each
cable set on the shop floor when the unit is attached to expensive analysis
equipment, starting with some known (but un-publicized) length, just to get
it close, then they "trim to fit" until the unit performs as they want it
to. In actuality, they may have a bunch of cables all made in various
lengths by 1/4 inch increments, then select the right ones to get the
desired performance.

You probably wanted a TPRD1454 unit, if they make one, as that would have
the right cable lengths and configuration for the 2 meter band.

Bob M.
==
--- On Fri, 7/25/08, garyp609 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: garyp609 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: How to figure cable length for duplexer?
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 7:09 PM
> Jim,
> Thanks for the response. The duplexer is a Telewave
> TPRD1554. They 
> are brand new and bought from Tessco tuned. The cable on
> the RX side 
> is marked 11" in black marker on the connector and the
> TX side is 
> marked 11 1/2 ". Both cables terminate at the T. I
> just want to feel 
> assured that they are the right length as I feel my
> performance 
> should be much better and want to rule out the duplexer.
> Gary K2ACY
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What kind of duplexer is it?  I have several older
> Sinclair 2 meter 
> duplexers that were up in the 170 mHz range that I moved
> down to the 
> ham band, and I had to replace each 10.5 inch cable that
> went from 
> the can to the Tee with a cable 12.5 inches long.  Turns
> out for 
> those older models that piece of cable was part of the
> tuned circuit 
> for adjusting the nulls.
> > 
> > All duplexers are not made the same, so I think you
> need to be more 
> specific.  Interesting on the frequency you are using. 
> We are just 
> putting one on the same frequency here in central New
> Mexico - HI.
> > 
> > 73 - Jim  W5ZIT
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 7/25/08, garyp609 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > From: garyp609 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] How to figure cable length
> for duplexer?
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 5:46 PM
> >
> > Output frequency is 145.450 & input is
> 144.850. How do 
> I figure out 
> > 
> > what length the cables should be between the rx side
> and tx side 
> that 
> > 
> > connect to the T-Connector? Thanks and 73's !
> > 
> > Gary K2ACY


  





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Paul Finch]

The hard hat is a OSHA regulation..

Paul
 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower
Climbers

I don't think I saw them even near a real broadcast tower, just these
wannabe cellular sites.
Then again I was paying more attention to a MASTR-III at the time.

The music score sounded like it was done by the guy that did 'Pirates
of the Caribian' or 'Survivor' and didn't really go with the action
deplicted.

Wearing a hard hat while climbing a tower doesn't make much sense,
just one more thing to get in the way. However it is usefull when you
are the support crew on the ground.

I like to tie a 12" cresent wrench to the bottom of my ropes to keep
the wind from catching them too bad. I also like to put my antennas up
in the wind and rain for the simple reason that I know they will stay
up.

$14 an hour is dirt cheap, At that rate I should hire them to do my
tower work. But really they are part of a crew and you have to
consider if they get paid $1200 a job, that is split 6 ways and covers
the crane rental.

On 7/22/08, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I watched the show did you?
>  I tower dogs earned more money than they said they do.
>  I loved the view from the top of the towers.
>
>  So what did all of you think about the show
>
>
>  see ya
>
>  73's
>  N1IB
>  David Schornak
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] NBC "Dateline" Explores World of Tower Climbers, July 21 @ 10 pm EDT

[Paul Finch]

Not at all, there are a lot of lady climbers in the tower industry, not
anywhere as many as there are men though.  From what I hear they work as
hard and are just as good as their man counterparts.  
 
This should be a good program and I already have it set to record.  The sad
thing is we have had another tower climber death as of Friday.
 
Paul
 
 

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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:02 AM
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Climbers, July 21 @ 10 pm EDT


looks like PC run amok..they had to get the obligatory
'woman in a man's world' dig in there
 
I'll pass
 
 

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July 21 @ 10 pm EDT




NBC's "Dateline" to explore the perilous world of tower dogs on July 21

July 16, 2008 - NBC's "Dateline  Presents" says it will take "a
never-before--seen journey into the  hazardous world of the tower
climbers who work on the frontlines of  America's high-tech
communications system." The program, "Tower Dogs," will air on  Monday,
July 21 at 10:00 PM/ET.

The hour-long broadcast is  expected to give an up close and personal
no-holds-barred look at tower  dogs' lives - up in the air and on the
ground. "We experience their on-the-job tension  and watch them work
hard, play hard, and mourn when they lose one of their  own," NBC said
in a press release. In a twist on all the dangerous-job  programs that
solely feature males, typically narrated with muscular prose, "Tower
Dogs" follows an unusual tower crew boss: a woman named  Nikki Collins,
a single mom, former cheerleader, and the person keeping  her tough-guy
charges in one piece. Although there has been a noted increase  in tower
construction company owners and climbers  that are women they are in a 
small minority in a predominately male  profession.
(HYPERLINK "http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Women";
\nHYPERLINK
"http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Women"http://www.wi
reless-estimator.-com/t_content.-cfm?pagename=-Women Climbers), 

The "Dateline" team worked for four  months documenting this group of
tower climbers as they worked their way  through 40 towns and cities in
24 states. During this time there were  seven fatalities nationwide,
including five deaths in a 12-day period in  April. National  exposure long
overdue, 
say many.  Please see: 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] the scam changes...

[Paul Finch]

I have gotten several calls like this, when I can't understand the guy I
don't deal with them.
 
Paul
 
 

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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] the scam changes...




What happened to the rest of the $7500 ?
AC

Com/Rad Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I share this crazy deal with y'all
Some Mort in Indonesia gave us an order for 10K worth of ICOM gear on 4
credit cards.Air mail to Surabaya or wherever-. We took the card
info but never shipped the stuff. a few days passed an some lady in
Albequerqe ( spelling? ) called me and asked why we nicked her Visa for
$2500 - naturally I appologized and refunded / reversed the deal.
Scam-o-rama is alive and well on the internet!.
 
I am waiting for my many 3.3 mega buck slices from confidants in the third
world. oy-vey
 
Ed
Com/Rad Inc
Des Plaines, IL 
 
 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:26 PM-
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] the scam changes...

Oh... about once every month or so I receive the scam email 
requesting radio equipment prices and availability for a 
"quick purchase" using a credit card. 

Every one of these quick credit card purchases seems to be a 
scam... 

The funny part is almost every email scam request is for a bulk 
purchase of Motorola CP-200 radios... Does the third world only 
know of Motorola CP-200 portable radios? 

This latest scam email requests not only the CP-200 radio price 
and shipping... but now they're gettin' greedy asking for prices 
on Thuraya Dual-Mode Satellite/GSM Phones. 

Once in a while I reply with a crazy price quote and they fire 
back with a list of Visa Cards to charge the purchase toward. I 
used to call Visa and tell them about the problem... but the 
Visa Card Corporation has their head firmly planted and there is 
no easy way to turn in a fake charge report. Master Card seems 
to be much better... 

So... what's in your wallet? 

cheers, 
s. 

[paste text]
Dear Sir/Ma,

We are inquiring to place order for the following items

below, please do send us the prices with the availability 

The items are as follows:

1. Motorola two way radio 16 channels, 5 Watt. VHF,MODEL
CP 200

2. Thuraya Dual-Mode Satellite/GSM Phones The
dual-mode satellite/GSM Thuraya HNS-7101 phone

3. Thuraya SO-2510 Satellite Phone Item# thu-bas-2510

Please get back to us with the prices plus the availability 
on the above items.

Regards
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Global Concepts Inc.




 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 PC Board Art

[Paul Finch]

No sir, not true.  ICS has some of their controllers in kit form and they
work very well.  I believe there are others also.
 
Paul
 


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:54 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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Keith,

Just buy it already put together and tested. The only controller manufacture
that offers controllers in kit form is Arcom.

Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ)

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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:23 PM
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 PC Board Art

I'd like to build the NHRC-2 repeater controller, I have all the parts 
except for a PC board, before I try and do my own board, is the mask to 
make your own anywhere? I'd do the kit from NHRC but I already got all 
the parts I need in stock vs getting the parts in the kit.I dunno if 
the board is available by itself or not. If I can't find it I figure 
I'd do one up from the schematics for what I need. Trying to get a 
backup controller for our 146 repeater and a new controller for our 440 
repeater built. Thanks for any info or assistance.

Keith Dobbins KC8RFW
Repeater Technician
W8TAP Repeater Group
Parkersburg, WV 26101

 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant

[Paul Finch]

Always liked that tower, I have been there many times.  How did they
transfer the center of gravity to the base of the tower except having more
concrete down under than in the structure of the tower above?
 
I may have answered my own question.
 
Paul
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:49 AM
To: Repeater-Builder
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant



On Tue, 27 May 2008, Roger Stacey wrote:
> Our group wants to upgrade our repeater site to be more earthquake 
> resistant. We realize that there are no "earthquake proof" repeaters 
> but we want to improve any chances of survivability. Any ideas or 
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Build it like Sutro tower, where the center of gravity is in the base of 
the tower (or underground like Sutro).

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR mailto:kris%40catonic.us"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly


 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)

[Paul Finch]

A lot of people made me feel bad when I told them I wanted $300.00 for my 75
watt Mastr II repeater station (not a mobile) complete with Wacom duplexer
and multi-CTCSS tone panel!  Heck, I could not sell a working RCA 700
desktop repeater ready to go on 444.975 for 50 bucks!  I don't know what
these people wanted.  I think most wanted me to give them the equipment and
pay them to haul it off.
 
A foreign type guy wanted to buy a test cable for $5.00, I said no, that
would be like giving it away.  He then offered to buy two for 15, said no
again.  I did come down a lot on some things but for the most part I held
firm like on the repeaters.A guy told me he bought a Micor complete with
a duplexer for 100 bucks, I am sure he did.  I have been given a lot of
equipment like that but it does not mean I am going to give it away when I
haul it that far.  I would rather bring it back home and I did.
 
The funny thing, I sold the GE Mastr II to a fellow club member here in
Texas so I had to bring it back anyway!  I still have a lot of GE and
Motorola UHF base stations for sale, guess I will try Belton, Texas in the
fall if fuel is not 10 bucks a gallon!
 
Paul
 

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Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 2:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)



At 5/23/2008 16:39, you wrote:

>Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)
>
>Just another Dayton 2008 bit of "seller humor". One flea market
>space had a stack of 6 large RCA Tac Tec Mobiles for sale at a
>modest $30 each "firm".
>
>Great Radio for its day and probably still quite usable for
>some ham project (the version that looks like a GE Mobile) but
>at that price I'm sure he took them back home or they went into
>the scoop loader on Sunday.

Not as bad as the $200 75 watt UHF Mastr II mobile. It did have a UHS 
preamp, but come on, $200 for a Mastr II mobile?

Bob NO6B



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)

[Paul Finch]

Hello All,
 
I guess everyone knows the history of the Tac Tec RCA radio?  That radio
single handed put RCA out of business.  The engineers apparently copied the
GE Mastr II radios almost verbatim and GE took them to court and won, bye
bye RCA
 
Like you said, they looked like GE's, small wonder
 
Paul
 

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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)



Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)

Just another Dayton 2008 bit of "seller humor". One flea market 
space had a stack of 6 large RCA Tac Tec Mobiles for sale at a 
modest $30 each "firm". 

Great Radio for its day and probably still quite usable for 
some ham project (the version that looks like a GE Mobile) but 
at that price I'm sure he took them back home or they went into 
the scoop loader on Sunday. 

cheers, 
s. 

ps: Now if they'd been RCA Series 700 stuff I might have been 
interested in the stack for $30 total... :-) 

pss: I know there's an RCA Carfone out there somewhere... still 
waiting to appear from someones garage. 

:-) 



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] mice at repeater sights

[Paul Finch]

Then you can use them as fishing weights!  Is that politically correct?
There is always the rat poison like "Just One Bite".  Contains Warfarin, a
blood thinner and they bleed to death internally.
 
Of course, I have seen some that trap them and turn them loose in the
"country" for some other person to have the deal with.  
 
Paul
 
 

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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mice at repeater sights



> Anyone have some advice on getting rid of the little bastards and
> keeping them away?

Brazilian recipe: Mix something tasteful (in Brazil we use "Fubá" which 
is a kind of flour made of corn) with cement. Lots of fubá, and some 20-30% 
of cement. They will eat and the cement will petrify on their stomachs :o) 
They "love" it O:o) 



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

[Paul Finch]

Paul,
 
And if a good friend wants a pair they also get in front of everyone else.
 
Paul
 

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Paul Plack
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:27 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?



 

You're probably right on the money part.
 
In my admittedly limited experience, (four states, three different 
coordinators,-) one of the perks of being elected to some coordinating bodies 
seems to be grabbing available pairs out of turn when they open and/or putting 
paper repeaters on them. If the coordinator wasn't a ham, that couldn't happen.
 
Now, if the coordinator'-s brother-in-law was a ham...still might.
 

- Original Message - 
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Paul Finch 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?




Paul,
 
How would that make the paper repeaters disappear?  Also, I doubt if you could 
get any professional person to do that job for the dues collected.  
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Plack
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:53 PM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?



 

You know, Ron, you just gave me an inspiration.
 
What if the coordinators themselves were not hams, and not eligible to operate 
ham repeaters? Imagine how many "paper repeaters" and how much corruption would 
disappear instantly!
 
Maybe we should all elect professional spectrum managers instead of hams, and 
pay them out of the dues. Hmmm...
 
73,
Paul, AE4KR
 
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Ron Wright 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?


Joe,

I know of some Hams who have talked to Riley about setting up standards 
for coordinators. He and FCC do not want to even think about it.

What does it take to be a coordinator?-?? There may be some standards in 
the FCC minds. For commercial there are some standards and I think they 
call license, but for Ham Radio I think anyone can call themselves a 
coordinator. Some states have more than one. Some repeater owners get 
upset with the existing coordinator and just form their own.

It is a volunteer position and know some just get fed up with what they 
have to take. A good coordinating body would have good leadership. 
Leadership, as we were taught in the military, is that trait where the 
direction given makes others WANT to follow and do as they say. This is 
often much more than having technical knowledge of a subject. One just 
likes following this leader.

Coordination could be held by a non-licnesed person if the coordinator 
allowed it. However, the FCC might not follow this. I don't think 
there is anything in Part 97 preventing this. Since this person could 
not put on a repeater then there would not be an interferrence problem. 
It would only tie up a repeater pair for the council's policy 
restrictions and allow anyone to put on a repeater on that pair within 
the policy. Other issues such as a paper repeater would do the same for 
a licensed person.

Coordination is one area where Amateur Radio is truly self policing that 
has some FCC backing.

73, ron, n9ee/r

Ron Wright, N9EE

727-376-6575

MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS

Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL

No tone, all are welcome.

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, MCH wrote:

> When it comes to a coordination, what term CAN you use with the FCC 
> since they have no term for the holder of a coordination? You can't 
> call that person a licensee since the coordination is not a license.
>
> Trustee is an appropriate term in any sense of the word since that 
> person is entrusted with the coordination - the very definition of a 
> trustee... someone who is entrusted with something.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Paul Plack wrote:
>> Wayne,
>>
>> "Trustee" appears to remain in use by some coordinators for repeaters 
>> operated directly by the licensees, a context in which the term has 
>> not had any meaning to the FCC since the "WR" callsigns went 
>> away. As long as we use the terms the FCC expects in any official 
>> communication with the agency itself, I guess it doesn't hurt to 
>> humor the coordinators. Sure does make things confusing, though.
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul, AE4KR
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Wayne" > "mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com"[EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton 2008

[Paul Finch]

My 444.85 machine was there and worked well.  I used a DB 408 antenna this
year instead of a old Ringo and made a ton of difference in the coverage in
the buildings but still did not cover the whole inside flea market.  I think
part is do to the amount of transmit noise inside the buildings, go
figure
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n9wys
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:22 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton 2008



I had about 6 or so listed on an Excel Spreadsheet, but only actually used
the Bades' 900 machine... Other than that, I was on 223.46 simplex.

-Original Message-
From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m On Behalf Of HYPERLINK "mailto:no6b%40no6b.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 02:24 PM 5/19/2008, you wrote:

>So you were there too, Jeff???
>
>That does it - next year, WE (or at least *I*) absolutely NEED to
coordinate
>a meet location and time, so we can put faces to names! I'm so frustrated I
>missed everyone!

I kept a list of all the frequencies everyone here said they would be on, 
but then neglected to program them into my HT.

Bob NO6B



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

[Paul Finch]

Paul,
 
How would that make the paper repeaters disappear?  Also, I doubt if you could 
get any professional person to do that job for the dues collected.  
 
Paul
 

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Paul Plack
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:53 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?



 

You know, Ron, you just gave me an inspiration.
 
What if the coordinators themselves were not hams, and not eligible to operate 
ham repeaters? Imagine how many "paper repeaters" and how much corruption would 
disappear instantly!
 
Maybe we should all elect professional spectrum managers instead of hams, and 
pay them out of the dues. Hmmm...
 
73,
Paul, AE4KR
 
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Ron Wright 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?


Joe,

I know of some Hams who have talked to Riley about setting up standards 
for coordinators. He and FCC do not want to even think about it.

What does it take to be a coordinator?-?? There may be some standards in 
the FCC minds. For commercial there are some standards and I think they 
call license, but for Ham Radio I think anyone can call themselves a 
coordinator. Some states have more than one. Some repeater owners get 
upset with the existing coordinator and just form their own.

It is a volunteer position and know some just get fed up with what they 
have to take. A good coordinating body would have good leadership. 
Leadership, as we were taught in the military, is that trait where the 
direction given makes others WANT to follow and do as they say. This is 
often much more than having technical knowledge of a subject. One just 
likes following this leader.

Coordination could be held by a non-licnesed person if the coordinator 
allowed it. However, the FCC might not follow this. I don't think 
there is anything in Part 97 preventing this. Since this person could 
not put on a repeater then there would not be an interferrence problem. 
It would only tie up a repeater pair for the council's policy 
restrictions and allow anyone to put on a repeater on that pair within 
the policy. Other issues such as a paper repeater would do the same for 
a licensed person.

Coordination is one area where Amateur Radio is truly self policing that 
has some FCC backing.

73, ron, n9ee/r

Ron Wright, N9EE

727-376-6575

MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS

Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL

No tone, all are welcome.

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, MCH wrote:

> When it comes to a coordination, what term CAN you use with the FCC 
> since they have no term for the holder of a coordination? You can't 
> call that person a licensee since the coordination is not a license.
>
> Trustee is an appropriate term in any sense of the word since that 
> person is entrusted with the coordination - the very definition of a 
> trustee... someone who is entrusted with something.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Paul Plack wrote:
>> Wayne,
>>
>> "Trustee" appears to remain in use by some coordinators for repeaters 
>> operated directly by the licensees, a context in which the term has 
>> not had any meaning to the FCC since the "WR" callsigns went 
>> away. As long as we use the terms the FCC expects in any official 
>> communication with the agency itself, I guess it doesn't hurt to 
>> humor the coordinators. Sure does make things confusing, though.
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul, AE4KR
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Wayne" > "mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?
>>
>>
>>> There are quite a few repeaters using club call signs rather than 
>>> an
>>> individuals call sign.
>>> I used our club call sign on my first repeater, and am using my own 
>>> on my
>>> repeater here.
>>> According to the application for coordination here in Texas, I will 
>>> be
>>> the trustee of the repeater.
>>> However, it is not written in stone that a repeater _must_ be 
>>> coordinated.
>>> But it is better in case of any possible conflict with another 
>>> repeater
>>> to be coordinated.
>>>
>>> I will agree that the license for the call used must be valid at 
>>> the time
>>> of operation, or it is in violation of the rules.
>>> Sometimes the rules can be confusing, and I have often seen them
>>> misinterpreted.
>>> And technically, any repeater has a trustee who is resposible for 
>>> proper
>>> operation, etc...
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> Wayne WA2YNE
>>> Imperial, Tejas
>>> 441.950TX 446.950RX Tone 167.9
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 14:01:53 -0500, Paul Plack >> "mailto:pwplack%40comcast.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Guys, a "trustee" in FCC licensing terms is someone other than the
 licensee who agrees to be re

[Repeater-Builder] Lot's of repeater "Stuff"

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
I will be at Dayton early Thursday morning with a lot of stuff for sale,
need to finance the trip some way.  $4.50 diesel is not helping matters.
 
444.850 +5MHz offset CTCSS of 110.9 Hz
 
Spaces 903 and 904
 
Paul
 

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[Repeater-Builder] Repeaters 4 Sale at Dayton

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
I will have a high band Motorola 100 watt repeater and a GE 100 UHF
repeater, both complete with duplexers for sale at Dayton this year.  I will
also have several other base stations suitable for framing into a repeater.
 
I will be in spaces 903 and 904.
 
Paul
WB5IDM
 
 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote and Kry

[Paul Finch]

By the way, I was admitting I made an error reading the gain.  I think I
transposed the 9 MHz bandwidth with the gain, my error.
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:00 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote and Kry




Dang, must have misread something.  Was in a hurry, link below
 
Paul
 
 
HYPERLINK
"http://www.ke3ht.org/14691/specsheet_220-2n.pdf"http://www.ke3ht.-org/14691
/-specsheet_-220-2n.pdf
 
 

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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote
and Kry



--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m, "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Do a Google search for yourself, it's the first result that comes
up. The
> DB-228 is the same way, it about 44 feet long overall.
> 

> Paul Finch wrote:
> > Actually I looked up the Super Stationmaster and and they have one 
> > that's rated at 9 DB at VHF.

The first one that comes up in a Google search is UHF at 10dbd. 

Seems like the earlier posts were discussing fiberglass antennas,
which I have yet to see 9dbd in VHF. 

Maybe I missed something??

Laryn K8TVZ




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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote and Kry

[Paul Finch]

Dang, must have misread something.  Was in a hurry, link below
 
Paul
 
 
HYPERLINK
"http://www.ke3ht.org/14691/specsheet_220-2n.pdf"http://www.ke3ht.org/14691/
specsheet_220-2n.pdf
 
 

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and Kry



--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m, "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Do a Google search for yourself, it's the first result that comes
up. The
> DB-228 is the same way, it about 44 feet long overall.
> 

> Paul Finch wrote:
> > Actually I looked up the Super Stationmaster and and they have one 
> > that's rated at 9 DB at VHF.

The first one that comes up in a Google search is UHF at 10dbd. 

Seems like the earlier posts were discussing fiberglass antennas,
which I have yet to see 9dbd in VHF. 

Maybe I missed something??

Laryn K8TVZ



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote and Kry

[Paul Finch]

Do a Google search for yourself, it's the first result that comes up.  The
DB-228 is the same way, it about 44 feet long overall.
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote and Kry



Paul Finch wrote:
> Actually I looked up the Super Stationmaster and and they have one 
> that's rated at 9 DB at VHF.

dBi or dBd? Very important. "DB" is a useless number without that 
third letter when rating antennas. (GRIN)

I'd say generally that what you're describing is not physically 
possible. (Unless the thing is enormous.)

The Sinclair SD-218 is 40' long, and rated at 11.5 dBd and has 8 
folded-dipole bays. The antenna is taller than my 2 story house.

http://www.sinclairtechnologies.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=1693"http://www
.sinclair-technologies.-com/catalog/-product.aspx?-id=1693>

(They also work great. Two of them stacked on an 85' tower with a whole 
whopping 5' of vertical separation -- ha -- makes for one hell of a 
combined TX / shared RX system for multiple VHF machines at one of our 
sites.)

So... there's no way a Super Stationmaster even comes close. The 
physics just don't work out.

The much more commonly-seen SD-214 is 20' long and is 8.5 dBd.
http://www.sinclairtechnologies.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=42"http://www.s
inclair-technologies.-com/catalog/-product.aspx?-id=42>

Note: You lose 1 dB (dBd) if you get the Heavy-Duty/Low--PIM option.
http://www.sinclairtechnologies.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=2055"http://www
.sinclair-technologies.-com/catalog/-product.aspx?-id=2055>

Nate WY0X


 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote and Kry

[Paul Finch]

Actually I looked up the Super Stationmaster and and they have one that's
rated at 9 DB at VHF.
 
Paul
 

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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:54 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote and Kry



ocwarren2000 wrote:
> Er.. uh... Excuse me, but why all this commotion about painting 
> and preserving antennas???
> 
> If everyone used limited range, low gain, stacked folded dipoles, 
> then maybe so, but stacked folded dipoles are a low gain limited 
> range item.

A 4-bay stacked dipole array is 6dB gain. The largest fiberglass coaxial 
gain antenna made for VHF is about 5-6dB as well. And just about the 
same size.

> I've seen them used in small towns with limited coverage Public 
> Safety fleets, and Local Paging, but only where limited range 
> coverage is required.
> 
> When I worked in Mobile Radio Communications ALL Remote Base / 
> Repeater antennas were stacked coaxial antennas inside a tapered 
> Fiberglass radome (Station Master type?) and operated at DC ground, 
> with a properly grounded mount, which was realy a good lightning rod 
> as well, where there was never a problem, and at a normally 10 db 
> gain!! There are Internet aricles on building these..

10 dB gain omni fiberglass coaxials are reserved for UHF and above. A 10 
dB gain stick for VHF would be over 40' long.



 


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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote and Kry

[Paul Finch]

Ron,
 
Remember that lightning not only hits the top of the tower but can come back
off the tower and hit something else in it's way, I think I heard in around
150 foot increments.
 
The only hit of lightning that did any damage at my tower was from a direct
hit that did no damage to the antennas or feedline.  It apparently hit the
tower near the top and came back off somewhere lower down the tower and hit
the power pole next to the tower.  It took out a lightning arrestor in a
paging base which in turn opened the circuit breaker the base was on as well
as the main breaker.  No other damage.
 
Paul
 
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:03 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote and Kry



Joe,

I agree the 224 probably handles lightning better than the fiberglass
versions. I think the folded dipoles being on a mast and the mast takes most
of the hit where with the fiberglass the antenna itself takes it.

I would not like to mount a fiberglass antenna on top without a top bracket.
I've seen good quality new fiberglass antennas have wind static type noise
on new installs due to blowing in the wind. I am sure the swaying over time
takes it toll. Of course I like bottom and top mounts on all long antennas,
but if top mounted is the install then the DB224 would be preferred.

Thanks for you input.

73, ron, n9ee/r

>From: MCH mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/05/07 Wed PM 02:12:33 CDT
>To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote and Kry

> 
>I haven't had as many problems with lightning and the fiberglass 
>antennas as I have with wind causing fractures in the connections 
>between the elements. In the case of the coasts, you have to deal with 
>that AND salt, so I doubt there is any good solution.
>
>The above said, I do believe the 224 type antennas do handle lightning 
>better - I didn't mean to imply that they don't. I'm only saying in 
>those I've seen wind is the bigger threat. In the case of a top mounted 
>antenna, there is no way to stabilize the top of the fiberglass antenna.
>
>Joe M.
>
>Ron Wright wrote:
>> Dick,
>> 
>> This discussion of weather proofing an antenna was started in part
because I am replacing a 4 bay DB224 up high and near the Gulf of Mexico. We
think the salt air got to it. We have had similar problems in the past. The
antenna has been up for about 12 years.
>> 
>> I was looking for a solution to the salt air. The painting issue came up
because of this.
>> 
>> I am replacing with a Telewave ANT150F6-2 fiberglass enclosed antenna.
However, many have had problems with these and the Celwave or RFS Super
Station Master with lightning. They do not handle the lightning as well as
the DB224 due to, one reason, some use solder to hold the elements together
inside the radome. However, mine is side mounted and hope this will not be a
problem. The salt air is.
>> 
>> I like the Station Master, but also like the DB224.
>> 
>> On VHF one does not get easily 10 db gain out of a RFS Station Master, in
fact more like 4.7 db for the 140-150 MHz antenna. The Telewave uses a
longer fiberglass radome for its version allowing all the elements to be
inserted.
>> 
>> The UHF version does have higher gain, 9 db, gain.
>> 
>> The folded dipoles allow squewing the pattern easier and more than the
station master. About all it will allow is moving around and in/out from the
tower. The folded dipoles are much more flexible in this issue.
>> 
>> Lots of good responses on this. Know many learned a lot. I did.
>> 
>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Er.. uh... Excuse me, but why all this commotion about painting 
>>> and preserving antennas???
>>>
>>> If everyone used limited range, low gain, stacked folded dipoles, 
>>> then maybe so, but stacked folded dipoles are a low gain limited 
>>> range item.
>>>
>>> I've seen them used in small towns with limited coverage Public 
>>> Safety fleets, and Local Paging, but only where limited range 
>>> coverage is required.
>>>
>>> When I worked in Mobile Radio Communications ALL Remote Base / 
>>> Repeater antennas were stacked coaxial antennas inside a tapered 
>>> Fiberglass radome (Station Master type?) and operated at DC ground, 
>>> with a properly grounded mount, which was realy a good lightning rod 
>>> as well, where there was never a problem, and at a normally 10 db 
>>> gain!! There are Internet aricles on building these..
>>>
>>> Commercial / Public Safety fleets are normally of defined coverage 
>>> areas, but we hams want to talk as far as we can... which means more 
>>> gain, and I've never heard of anyone wanting to paint or preserve an 
>>> antenna, for everything was enclosed except a link cornor reflector 
>>> or beam antenna!!!
>>>
>>> Dick, W7TIO

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote

[Paul Finch]

 
But if it passed at 2.4 GHz it would probably be great for VHF.

Paul

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:05 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote

The only "fly in the soup" is... I would suspect compound 
properties at ~2450MHz have different D-Factor performance 
versus the mentioned in the VHF band. 

cheers,
s. 

> "IM Ashford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paint a polythene cup with your favourite antenna covering. Let it
dry and put it into the microwave oven along  with a cup of water (to
act as a dummy load)
> Cook for 1 min on max power.
> If it gets even slightly warm its no good for antennas.
> 
> er.. can I please have an award for the first cooking recipe to get
past the moderator on repeater-builder
> 
> Ian
> G8PWE
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: skipp025 
>   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:44 PM
>   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and
Scotch Kote
> 
> 
>   I constructed a 6 meter beam some years back, worked like a bomb 
>   even at 25ft above ground elevation. To ensure my pride and joy 
>   would last a long time I sprayed it with clear Krylon brand spray 
>   paint. 
> 
>   The antenna was instantly unusable regardless of my efforts to 
>   remove the paint, re-tune or otherwise modify the antenna. I later 
>   learned that type of paint contained materials with a horible 
>   D-Factor. I was never able to use the antenna again, although it 
>   remains in my back yard as a reminder. 
> 
>   cheers, 
>   s. 
> 
>   > "Chuck Kelsey"  wrote:
>   > Boy, you took a gamble. I'd have been afraid that this action 
>   > could have either messed up the VSWR or shifted the resonant 
>   > point of the antenna. Then again, maybe it did and either 
>   > you don't know that or it wasn't significant.
>   > 
>   > Chuck
>   > WB2EDV
>   > 
>   > 
>   > - Original Message - 
>   > From: "skipp025" 
>   > To: 
>   > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:19 AM
>   > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
>   Kote
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > Hi Robert,
>   > >
>   > > You might get lucky... because they might also have advertised
>   > > the dip-it as an insulator material, which means someone was
>   > > hopefully looking at the dissipation factor (aka D-Factor) when
>   > > the compound was engineered. Time will tell...
>   > >
>   > > cheers,
>   > > skipp
>   > >
>   > >> "georgiaskywarn"  wrote:
>   > >> Someone else told me that after I had put a whole can of dip
>   > >> it on the db408 I showed you. I went back and covered every
>   > >> inch of it with liquid electrical tape. I have had good
>   > >> results in the GA sun with it.
>   > >> 73,
>   > >> Robert
>   > >> KD4YDC
>   > >>
>   >
>







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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote

[Paul Finch]

Ian,
 
I would put the dummy load water in a separate cup because the water will
heat the cup giving you a false positive.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IM Ashford
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:44 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote


Paint a polythene cup with your favourite antenna covering. Let it dry and
put it into the microwave oven along  with a cup of water (to act as a dummy
load)
Cook for 1 min on max power.
If it gets even slightly warm its no good for antennas.
 
er.. can I please have an award for the first cooking recipe to get past the
moderator on repeater-builder
 
Ian
G8PWE
 

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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"skipp025 
To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote


I constructed a 6 meter beam some years back, worked like a bomb 
even at 25ft above ground elevation. To ensure my pride and joy 
would last a long time I sprayed it with clear Krylon brand spray 
paint. 

The antenna was instantly unusable regardless of my efforts to 
remove the paint, re-tune or otherwise modify the antenna. I later 
learned that type of paint contained materials with a horible 
D-Factor. I was never able to use the antenna again, although it 
remains in my back yard as a reminder. 

cheers, 
s. 

> "Chuck Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Boy, you took a gamble. I'd have been afraid that this action 
> could have either messed up the VSWR or shifted the resonant 
> point of the antenna. Then again, maybe it did and either 
> you don't know that or it wasn't significant.
> 
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:19 AM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote
> 
> 
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > You might get lucky... because they might also have advertised
> > the dip-it as an insulator material, which means someone was
> > hopefully looking at the dissipation factor (aka D-Factor) when
> > the compound was engineered. Time will tell...
> >
> > cheers,
> > skipp
> >
> >> "georgiaskywarn"  wrote:
> >> Someone else told me that after I had put a whole can of dip
> >> it on the db408 I showed you. I went back and covered every
> >> inch of it with liquid electrical tape. I have had good
> >> results in the GA sun with it.
> >> 73,
> >> Robert
> >> KD4YDC
> >>
>



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote and Krylon

[Paul Finch]

I wonder how a good grade of Polyurethane spray or brush on would work?

Paul

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:53 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
Kote and Krylon

Funny you should mention Krylon... although I haven't done so in recent 
years, I used to Krylon (clear) all antennas and never had a problem. I 
forgot all about that until your mention of it. And they were mostly UHF 
antennas - beams and folded dipoles. Go figure.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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From: "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote


>I constructed a 6 meter beam some years back, worked like a bomb
> even at 25ft above ground elevation. To ensure my pride and joy
> would last a long time I sprayed it with clear Krylon brand spray
> paint.
>
> The antenna was instantly unusable regardless of my efforts to
> remove the paint, re-tune or otherwise modify the antenna. I later
> learned that type of paint contained materials with a horible
> D-Factor. I was never able to use the antenna again, although it
> remains in my back yard as a reminder.
>
> cheers,
> s.
> 





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Group,

To help I am going to take some commercial HT's on UHF to talk through the
repeater, I hope the added quality front ends will help with the problem.  I
remember several years ago my Icom W32A was useless in the buildings.

Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:39 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need

Use a dual band handheld and tune it to the 3rd harmonic.  If
the repeater listens to 147.735 that means that you would listen
to 443.205 (which is easy to do, just use a handheld that can
do 5khz steps on UHF).

Anyway that will get you to the proper floor and within 3-4 hotel
rooms (the 3rd harmonic of most handhelds is pretty weak).
Then once you have the floor and a range of rooms you call
someone on a simplex channel who is standing near a house
phone is the same hotel, and you dial each room's phone one
by one while the jerk is keyed down.  When you hear the
phone bell in the background you know what room he's in.

You then send the local equivalent of the Seven Six Secret
Service to knock on his door (white sheets and hoods optional).
Problem solved.

Been there, watched that (didn't get the baseball cap).

Mike WA6ILQ


At 06:35 PM 05/02/08, you wrote:
>That was a problem in the mid-80s on 147.135 out there.
>
>Anytime you get a huge audience like that, and get a group of people who
>may have had a few too many, you can expect problems. Or, maybe it's
>someone who doesn't like the Hamvention.
>
>Part of the problem too is say you track it down to a certain hotel. You
>still have possibly hundreds of hams it could be.
>
>Joe M.
>
>R. K. Brumback wrote:
> > For at least the last two or three years I have been to Dayton Fest,
> > there has been someone using a recording with what could be called
> > "colorful metaphors". It has been on the talk-in channel which I usually
> > need to use.  I have had to turn the radio off because of this language
> > and having my family in the vehicle. I would like to think someone is
> > working on this. Has the person responsible been caught? Does this
> > happen only during the Fest? Is there anyway a fellow ham can help catch
> > this person? I will be glad to supply a new rope and go in search of an
> > appropriate tree!!
> >
> > Randy B.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ron Wright
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM
> > *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might
> > need
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the largest repeater systems in the US is just down the road on
> > 145.190. However, will be more than busy during Dayton.
> >
> > Last I heard 145.19 had over 32 rcv sites and 7 distant city repeaters
> > linked in.
> >
> > 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >>Date: 2008/04/20 Sun PM 11:29:43 CDT
> >>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> >>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need
> >
> >>
> >>At 4/20/2008 07:12, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >For others reading this list/thread, I am putting together an Excel
> >> >spreadsheet of freqs that wil most likely be used at Dayton, so I can
> >> >program them into my radios. Feel free to send along any freqs you
will
> >> >be using so I can add them in!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >Mark N9WYS
> >>
> >>One of the most popular local systems is WF8M 443.775 (+) PL-131.8. Has
> >>IRLP (node 4267), which makes it rather busy all hamvention weekend. The
> >>system I'll be linking my portable repeater to in Miamisburg (WB8VSU
> >>442.300 (+) PL-123.0) also has IRLP (node 4235) but doesn't cover Hara
as
> >>well so hasn't been very busy.
> >>
> >>Bob NO6B
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ron Wright, N9EE
> > 727-376-6575
> > MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> > Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> > No tone, all are welcome.






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question

[Paul Finch]

John,
 
By all means it can, I have seen a good dummy load DB224 antenna several
times.  It had fairly good reflected reading but like I said, it resembled a
dummy load more than an antenna.  These problems can be addressed.  There
can be water in the coax harness or straight out corrosion on the
connections.  You can check the antenna several ways.  I have used a signal
generator and a spectrum analyzer and do simple loss test to each dipole
with a sniffer antenna.  I have a friend that checks his harnesses with the
dipoles disconnected with a small 5,000 VDC power supply, any water in the
coax shows up really well that way.  A really high range VOM and check the
resistance will work pretty good also but the 5K VDC seems to ferret out all
problems.
 
So far, with the ScotchKote I have not had a problem.  I have a DB408 that I
am taking to Dayton that I got from my ex-boss when they closed the shop
that had one coat of Scotchkote that was looks kind of thin.  Before I take
it to Dayton I will tighten all connections, check it and slop several coats
of Scotchkote on it.  I normally slop on at least three coats of the stuff,
it's messy but I believe in it.
 
So far I have not found anything better in the Texas sun.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Transue
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:52 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question



So how do you know your antenna is not performing as it should? When an
antenna has a corrosion problem, can it still have good VSWR? I think it
can. A resistor can have good VSWR. So what should I do to find out whether
I need a new antenna?

I’d like to benefit from your experience. Thanks for any advice you can give
me.

John

AF4PD

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of georgiaskywarn
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:15 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question

 

Well I thought the same thing. I have a db408 that I have "treated"
with plastic dip AND liquid tape. Long story but have several layers
(about 3 or 4) of this stuff on there. Each layer I allowed to dry
before putting on the next. In the pictures you can see that every
joint (metal to metal) is protected by this stuff. I also went up the
dipoles far enough for any possible egress of moisture. Might not be
pretty, but think it will work. The pics are taken with the antenna
temporarily on the side of my tower (not hooked up yet). 
HYPERLINK
"http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0GEcSFgRqZpJVmTlqpB72pv8w7tAZtRcCcnp5vmv6qVr44
p8O-ZFzec_HaY2Ga6TgV2Yj_3lzSUfcMnhJ3JGc57pcJsE-k5gcErJ/pix/IMG_1277.JPG"http
://f1.grp.-yahoofs.com/-v1/0GEcSFgRqZpJV-mTlqpB72pv8w7tAZ-tRcCcnp5vmv6qVr4-4
p8O-ZFzec_-HaY2Ga6TgV2Yj_-3lzSUfcMnhJ3JGc5-7pcJsE-k5gcErJ/-pix/IMG_1277.-JPG
HYPERLINK
"http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0GEcSHs2jQFJVmTl6X_XYxKmmCUXuduBzeXqkRzKHC6GBZ
z7otBoFOgQDzYeQt3Umjq9dbwHhiGcSIrqsKi9wt2JEamLwVt1E_-7/pix/IMG_1278.JPG"http
://f1.grp.-yahoofs.com/-v1/0GEcSHs2jQFJV-mTl6X_XYxKmmCUXu-duBzeXqkRzKHC6GB-Z
z7otBoFOgQDzYeQ-t3Umjq9dbwHhiGcS-IrqsKi9wt2JEamLw-Vt1E_-7/pix/-IMG_1278.-JPG
(remember, you might have to copy and paste it) 
This antenna has the bracing that wraps around the pipe, not the hose
clamp style dipoles. So I drilled through the metal straps and into
the pipe. After that I riveted each strap into the pipe. 

Waiting for my "contractor" to get the go ahead from the county to
replace a Diamond UHF antenna.

73,
Robert 
KD4YDC

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m, "Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paul and others:
> 
> Other than using Scotchkote has anyone used DIP-IT which is that 
> plastic coating sold in cans designed for dipping tools into to build 
> up a rubber coating on them. Like the scotchkote you would probably 
> have to put sveral coats on, but since it's a rubber base it may last 
> longer than the Scotchkote which harderns.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
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m, "Paul Finch" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ron,
> > 
> ...
> > The second part of making a new DB folded dipole antenna last is 
> sealing every nook and cranny of the antenna with 3M Scotchkote. I 
> paint at least two coats on every screwhead, coax end, nut, plastic 
> molded junction and anything that could be a point of bimetal 
> corrosion or coax water leak. If I could dip it in Scotchkote I 
> would. ...
>


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

LOL!!!

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:39 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need

Use a dual band handheld and tune it to the 3rd harmonic.  If
the repeater listens to 147.735 that means that you would listen
to 443.205 (which is easy to do, just use a handheld that can
do 5khz steps on UHF).

Anyway that will get you to the proper floor and within 3-4 hotel
rooms (the 3rd harmonic of most handhelds is pretty weak).
Then once you have the floor and a range of rooms you call
someone on a simplex channel who is standing near a house
phone is the same hotel, and you dial each room's phone one
by one while the jerk is keyed down.  When you hear the
phone bell in the background you know what room he's in.

You then send the local equivalent of the Seven Six Secret
Service to knock on his door (white sheets and hoods optional).
Problem solved.

Been there, watched that (didn't get the baseball cap).

Mike WA6ILQ


At 06:35 PM 05/02/08, you wrote:
>That was a problem in the mid-80s on 147.135 out there.
>
>Anytime you get a huge audience like that, and get a group of people who
>may have had a few too many, you can expect problems. Or, maybe it's
>someone who doesn't like the Hamvention.
>
>Part of the problem too is say you track it down to a certain hotel. You
>still have possibly hundreds of hams it could be.
>
>Joe M.
>
>R. K. Brumback wrote:
> > For at least the last two or three years I have been to Dayton Fest,
> > there has been someone using a recording with what could be called
> > "colorful metaphors". It has been on the talk-in channel which I usually
> > need to use.  I have had to turn the radio off because of this language
> > and having my family in the vehicle. I would like to think someone is
> > working on this. Has the person responsible been caught? Does this
> > happen only during the Fest? Is there anyway a fellow ham can help catch
> > this person? I will be glad to supply a new rope and go in search of an
> > appropriate tree!!
> >
> > Randy B.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ron Wright
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM
> > *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might
> > need
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the largest repeater systems in the US is just down the road on
> > 145.190. However, will be more than busy during Dayton.
> >
> > Last I heard 145.19 had over 32 rcv sites and 7 distant city repeaters
> > linked in.
> >
> > 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >>Date: 2008/04/20 Sun PM 11:29:43 CDT
> >>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> >>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need
> >
> >>
> >>At 4/20/2008 07:12, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >For others reading this list/thread, I am putting together an Excel
> >> >spreadsheet of freqs that wil most likely be used at Dayton, so I can
> >> >program them into my radios. Feel free to send along any freqs you
will
> >> >be using so I can add them in!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >Mark N9WYS
> >>
> >>One of the most popular local systems is WF8M 443.775 (+) PL-131.8. Has
> >>IRLP (node 4267), which makes it rather busy all hamvention weekend. The
> >>system I'll be linking my portable repeater to in Miamisburg (WB8VSU
> >>442.300 (+) PL-123.0) also has IRLP (node 4235) but doesn't cover Hara
as
> >>well so hasn't been very busy.
> >>
> >>Bob NO6B
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ron Wright, N9EE
> > 727-376-6575
> > MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> > Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> > No tone, all are welcome.






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Now connector for TKR 720/820 repeat control board plug WAS RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR820

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
Brings up a question, has anyone been able to find one of those connectors
that the normal repeater controller has on it that plugs into the logic
board?  I want to use one of my Ham style controllers on the repeater and
would rather have it inside the unit than out.
 
Paul
 
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Arck
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:21 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR820 (tkr-720) COR Logic (pin13)
information wanted.


Skipp and others

The problem he is facing is really quite simple. 

According to the service manual for the TKR-820, the so-called "CO" output
on the 15 pin Molex style Accessory connector provides an open collector
output LOW when carrier is active UNLESS the repeater is programmed for tone
decode in which case the CO output is "tone squelch" based (I'm not sure if
that means decode only output or it is AND's with COR). In any case, that's
what the service manual says.

I spent a bit of time on the phone with Kenwood tech support about this the
other day and they seemed somewhat "stumped" that it worked this way. 

He sent me a couple excerpts from the service manual, including this one
(which may be the most important piece of info from them so far - this is
from Service Bulletin T-89-88-LM)

I've posted it on our website (with Kenwood's permission). This may be what
Frank is looking for.

HYPERLINK
"http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/rc210/t-89-88.pdf"http://www.arcomcontrolle
rs.com/rc210/t-89-88.pdf

Hope this helps

Ken


At 09:07 AM 5/1/2008, skipp025 wrote:



Re: TKR820 (tkr-720) COR Logic (pin13) information wanted.

Wow, this post has some history... y yo necesito mas practicar 
en espanol Que Lastima! Read on. 

The Kenwood TKR-720 and TKR-820 repeaters have a cor output 
logic line with non-standard voltage values. The cor changes 
dc level with cos however, the dc values are not standard in 
the form of active high being some voltage and active low 
going to dc ground (or the converse). 

I designed and build a simple dc level detector circuit I 
now use for all my repeater cor/cos and squelch detection 
circuits. I've got the design down to one very fast adjustment 
and it otherwise doesn't care what the input voltage values 
are or where they transition to output a standard form-C type 
relay or simple FET/bipolar transistor output. 

It's a viable enough design that I'm having a fair number of 
pc-boards made to be offered cheap to anyone who might want one 
in kit or pre-built form. The time line for the project is at 
least after Dayton and maybe into June. 

But if you'd like to make your own you can contact me direct 
and I'll try to help you with the proper information. 

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 
HYPERLINK "http://www.radiowrench.com/"www.radiowrench.com 

> "Private" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ive been searching for that for abt a month now...Im running a 820 
> with the Arcom Rc210 controller but, and I think u know what im going 
> to say, lolWont keyup without COR...let me know if u fand 
> anything out and Ill share with you.
> 
> Frank
> 
> --- In HYPERLINK
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> >
> > Hello Skipp, I am here in Tijuana, just across the border with San 
> Ysidro, Ca.
> > Good it works for you. 73.
> > Juan
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: skipp025 
> > To: HYPERLINK
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> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:31 AM
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR820 (tkr-720) CORlogic(pin13)
> informationwanted.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Just what the doctor ordered. Thanks Juan. 
> > 
> > Su respuesta trabajada muy bien. �Qu� estado 
> > usted vivo adentro? Tengo familia en GTO, MX 
> > Gracias otra vez mucho.
> > skipp 
> > 
> > > XE2SI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Looks that you have an old repeater, the new ones 
> > > have that pin called TOR wich is what you want, 
> > > if this is the case there is a small square island in the
> > > controller board near the IC11 ( pin 9 ), this 
> > > change state when there is a valid "PL" received, 
> > > maybe you will need a buffer for what you need. 
> > > hope this helps.
> > > Juan
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: skipp025 
> > > To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:27 PM
> > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR820 (tkr-720) COR logic (pin 
> > > 13)informationwanted.
> > > 
> > > Hello there, 
> > > 
> > > Anyone have information to configure the COR output 
> > > logic on the Kenwood TKR820 Repeater to ctcss only? 
> > > I'd like to make pin 13 (COR) of the accessory 
> > > connector change states with a valid received ctcss 
> > > tone. 
> > > 
> > > As received, accessory pin 13 (COR) changes state 
> > > wit

RE: [Repeater-Builder] antenna question

[Paul Finch]

Ron,

I am a big proponent of the DB line of antennas but I also add that they
must be set up correctly before they are installed, especially in a high
humidity/salt air environment like you are talking about.  The following is
what I learned form the two engineers that developed the DB line of folded
dipole antennas decades ago.

I have posted this several times on R/B and will do it again.  When you get
a brand new antenna from DB you must take all the nuts off where the coax
connects to the dipoles and tighten the screws and nuts through the dipole,
you will find many are finger tight.  Once these screws and nuts are tight
then put the coax terminal back on the dipole.

The second part of making a new DB folded dipole antenna last is sealing
every nook and cranny of the antenna with 3M Scotchkote.  I paint at least
two coats on every screwhead, coax end, nut, plastic molded junction and
anything that could be a point of bimetal corrosion or coax water leak.  If
I could dip it in Scotchkote I would.  Warning, don't get it on your skin,
you will wear it for several days.  You can clean it up a little with MEK.
By the way, I did some research and MEK is not as bad of a carcinogen as
some people would lead you to believe.

I have installed several DB 224 antennas in the Tampa area with this method
with few problems.  While the fiberglass antennas have the radome they are
still vented to the salt air and you can't get in them to seal the potential
bimetal corrosion problems like you can the DB antennas.  One other plus for
folded dipole antennas, the fiberglass antennas are much more prone to
become toothpicks with a lightning strike where a 224 will most likely
survive.

Paul
  

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:39 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] antenna question

hi all,

I am about to replace a DB224 side mounted at 1175 ft above ground.  The
antenna is close to the Gulf, 0.5 mi, and think the salt air got to it.  It
has been up about 12 years and now has an SWR of 2:1.  The coverage is very
noticeably less.

I am thinking of a Super Station Master fiberglass enclosed antenna as a
replacement.  The Celwave/RFS 220 is my thinking.

Any thoughts about this from some who have experience with salt air.

I like the DB224 and many locally use them.  I like being able to skew the
pattern, but others locally have had similar salt air problems with VHF and
UHF exposed dipoles.  I've also seen the Super Station Masters last decades
in harsh environments.

73, ron, n9ee/r


Ron Wright, N9EE
727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 continuous duty pa's

[Paul Finch]

Ex = has been, spurt=a big drip under pressure..
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:42 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 continuous duty pa's

The Wednesday mid-week reply. 

Yes, they will retune down into the two meter band but you must 
derate the rf power amplifier and turn it down to say 45 watts if 
you'd like to keep it working. 

"expert" = A drip under pressure. 

An article to interface the MSR-2000 to an external controller 
through the Squelch Gate Module. 

http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic/so02004.html 

cheers, 
s. 

> "gdwilkinson2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have recently been handed several msr2000 continuous duty vhf
> repeaters that are currently in the 154 mhz range.  My question is
> will the radios go down into the ham band (146+)?  I have heard that
> will and that they won't. so have decide to ask the experts!
> 
> Gale
> KC4PL
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: Thank You, Lord

[Paul Finch]

Ralph,
 
Guess it's happened to all of us from time to time.  It is very east to hit the 
wrong button and even easier to hit the button to condemn someone for a 
mistake.  Not all of us are perfect.  I figured when you saw it you would 
correct the problem and there was no need to jump down your throat.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Ralph Messer
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:58 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: Thank You, Lord



 

to all concerned
 
It is I that sent the jokes
It was not and I repeat not intended to be on this or any other message board
 
I sincerely apologize to all
 
there is a list I use to send messages to a select group somehow this group got 
listed onto that list
I have since removed the listing
 
AGAIN, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO ALL
 
RALPH MESSER

- Original Message - 
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Tony Lelieveld 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: Thank You, Lord





Moderators,



Why are we getting jokes on this list server?  Isn’t there enough wasted 
bandwidth on the internet already?  I am telling all my friends NOT to send me 
all kinds of that crap.  Some attachments are 10Mb.  Some people can’t get high 
speed internet because they live in the country and still use dial-up.  How 
frustrated they must be.



Does my frustrations show?  You bet it is.

73 and thank you to all who do honour requests like this.

Tony, VE3DWI




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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: Thank You, Lord



  



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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Paul Finch]

Ron and Wayne,
 
I have several of those splice connections from a job where I got to remove
old Heliax on top of a building.  They make them to go from the same size
cable to others also.  If you have 1 5/8 Heliax you can convert to 7/8 or
1/2 inch but be warned, they may be expensive.  They are much better than
going through a regular "N" connector.
 
I still have all of them that I took down, just have never needed them on my
tower, yet.  I have several 300 and 400 foot pieces of 1 5/8 Andrew Heliax
that I may have to splice together to get to the height I need.  So far, I
have yet to buy anything "new" in the way of Heliax for my tower except the
snap-in hangers.  Grin, I am cheep.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:55 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter



Wayne,

One issue on the connectors for reconnecting coax.

Many make back to back type connectors for this. They are essentially the
back end of 2 connectors joined as one piece/connector. Mostly used where a
long feedline cannot be placed on one spool and must be joined or for other
applications needing a spice.

Would have lower loss and cost less than two connectors. More reliable also.

73, ron, nn9ee/r

>From: Wayne mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:21:01 CDT
>To: HYPERLINK
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m
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

> Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are good 
>parts.
> The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew connectors.
> I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based in 
>taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut many 
>things down.
> I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands 
>that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually made 
>for use with.
> Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits 
>through the gland nut...
> I should post a few part nubers and brands later.
>
> Wayne WA2YNE
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV 
>mailto:glennmaillist%40bellsouth.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who 
>> manufactured the
>> item.
>>
>> In this case:
>>
>> AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS
>> ONE KENNEDY AVENUE
>> DANBURY, CT 06810
>> Cage Code: 74868
>> Tel.: 1-800-627-7100
>>
>> It is a marked Amphenol connector.
>>
>> 73
>> Glenn
>> WB4UIV
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote:
>>
>> Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214
>> jumper.
>> Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as
>> such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to
>> be good quality.
>> No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the
>> other, so should be good to go.
>>
>> Wayne WA2YNE
>>
>>
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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

David,
 
Thanks to Kevin and Scott for letting this off topic thread go on this long
but it is sort of repeater related and is real good information for all
involved in this hobby.
 
My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from
the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property.  Even
if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and
harassed by the law enforcement officers.  
 
I had an ATV (four wheeler) stolen about two months ago, the Sheriffs office
came out and took the info and later drove all around the house where the
ATV was parked.  I was passed out 105 flyers out when I saw some kids
standing next to a house.  As I got closer I saw my Son's ATV.  They
jump,cut and do whatever it takes to get over the fences.  I also have a 2
acre pond sitting fairly close to the tower and I  caught 6 kids and one
adult walking in a group on my property to fish.  They got guts.
 
In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service,
Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no
end that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or
vandalize something.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:16 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; MCH
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or
night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a
weapon you can handle.

David

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From: MCH mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT
To: HYPERLINK
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m
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
there are plenty of scrap yards..

BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
in the photos.

I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
is one).

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> And left a $200.00 connector.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Tickets and Fleamarket

[Paul Finch]

No response from phone calls or emails have been very noticeable by everyone
that has tried to contact the committees.  If you did contact them they
would say they would get someone to call back, never happened.  I called
several times and no answer and a guy that is going with us took over
ordering the spaces.  As of a email yesterday they said anything ordered
before April 1st went out in the mail yesterday so look for it shortly. 
 
Like I said yesterday I think, 4 years ago I called on the phone, 10 minutes
later I had my spaces assigned and was set for the show.  This year is very
different.  With the price we have to pay for the spaces it looks like there
should be at least some semblance of customer service.
 
I hope they learn from this year and do a better job of this next year.
With the price of spaces and Diesel fuel it is going to be hard enough to
make it this year, with the fuel price increases they want the rest of this
year and next this year may be my last for Dayton.
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Klinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:06 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Tickets and Fleamarket




Good Evening to the list:
 
I was wondering if anyone got their Dayton fleamarket passes and tickets as
yet?
 
I order our club's usual order in February.  I still haven't gotten a
response from DARA as of yet.  I sent two emails and made two phone calls.
Never got a response.
 
Two years ago it was so messed up that I had to pick up my order on Thursday
afternoon at the fleamarket trailer, and run around like crazy to distribute
our ticket order.  
 
Last year I couldn't go to Dayton and I was out of the country on family
business from 3-19 May.  I had to do some fast and fancy negotiation to get
our 500 dollar order re-routed to another club member otherwise it would
have sat in USPS mail will-call until I returned!
 
Needless to say, I am a little edgy this year.  It doesn't help that I get
no responses to my emails and calls.
 
I appreciate any responses to my query.
 
73--Wally W9BEA

 


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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

And any tower lighting vandalism is supposed to be investigated by the FBI.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:08 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower
lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air
only upsets the tower/radio stn owners.

73, ron, n9ee/r

>From: MCH mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT
>To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> 
>Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a 
>lit tower would be guilty of it, then.
>
>Joe M.
>
>Barry C' wrote:
>> 
>> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
>> 
>> 
>> To: HYPERLINK
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m
>> From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>> 
>> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
>> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
>> some of
>> your lines.
>> 
>> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant
>> as criticism per se)
>> 
>> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
>> 
>> Joe M.
>> 
>> Barry C' wrote:
>> > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>> > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
>> > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>> >
>> > 
>> > To: HYPERLINK
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>> 
>> > From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>> >
>> > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>> > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
>> light?
>> > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>> >
>> > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
>> guy who
>> > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>> >
>> > I know excessive force.
>> > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>> > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>> >
>> > Joe M.
>> >
>> > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>> > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>> > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>> > about who
>> > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records
>> of who
>> > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
>> > Regulations
>> > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
>> > GOT
>> > > to be done.
>> > > WB5OXQ
>> > >
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

Guess you guys did not see the email floating around about the thief that
was stealing wire from a power substation and grabbed the wrong wire with
his insulated side cutters.  Short non-graphic story he was in three pieces
and there was zero blood.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C'
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:28 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks 



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting 
any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of 
your lines.

Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant 
as criticism per se)

By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.

Joe M.

Barry C' wrote:
> Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
> Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some 
> sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
> 
> 
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
> through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light?
> (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
> 
> That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who
> was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
> 
> I know excessive force.
> But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
> Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
> > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
> > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
> about who
> > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who
> > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
> Regulations
> > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
> GOT
> > to be done.
> > WB5OXQ
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

They obviously did not know the value of the connector and when you consider
the 1/2 Heliax has an thin copper coated aluminum center conductor they
really did not get much.  It also looks like the 7/7 Heliax is also the
solid aluminum type but the resolution is fairly poor when I blow it up to
see if they are solid.

Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MCH
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:11 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
there are plenty of scrap yards..

BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
in the photos.

I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
is one).

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> And left a $200.00 connector.
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

I think they have a copper jacket over lead.
 
Paul
 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:32 AM
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Most bullets these days are made of copper. 



On 4/22/08, Paul Finch mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Easy to explain, "Lead Poisoning".
 

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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if
the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda
bird n all :)



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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations
losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper
wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.

I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such
vandalism?

Bob M.
==
--- Terry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I
> belong to (Mountain
> ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site
> received a blast of
> freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very
> high wind. This
> created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought
> so many others
> before it as well. 
> 
> We were still licking out wounds from this loss of
> 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
> associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond
> tri-band, and several
> packet beams on several different bands, when I got
> a call from MD
> state police to identify property.
> 
> It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they
> caught an
> individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"
> Andrews in his truck,
> cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.
> 
> I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns
> like this one would
> figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how
> long it will be
> until they start cutting the stuff off towers while
> they are on the
> air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS
> network? 
> 
> At least my personal site has the feedline routed in
> a way that it is
> not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

They have already stolen coax off working systems.  
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:17 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I belong to (Mountain
ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site received a blast of
freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very high wind. This
created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought so many others
before it as well. 

We were still licking out wounds from this loss of 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond tri-band, and several
packet beams on several different bands, when I got a call from MD
state police to identify property.

It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they caught an
individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8" Andrews in his truck,
cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.

I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns like this one would
figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how long it will be
until they start cutting the stuff off towers while they are on the
air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS network? 

At least my personal site has the feedline routed in a way that it is
not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof straight up. (wx3m.info) 



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

Easy to explain, "Lead Poisoning".
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C'
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:13 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if
the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda
bird n all :)




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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:02:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations
losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper
wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.

I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such
vandalism?

Bob M.
==
--- Terry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I
> belong to (Mountain
> ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site
> received a blast of
> freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very
> high wind. This
> created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought
> so many others
> before it as well. 
> 
> We were still licking out wounds from this loss of
> 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
> associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond
> tri-band, and several
> packet beams on several different bands, when I got
> a call from MD
> state police to identify property.
> 
> It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they
> caught an
> individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"
> Andrews in his truck,
> cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.
> 
> I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns
> like this one would
> figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how
> long it will be
> until they start cutting the stuff off towers while
> they are on the
> air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS
> network? 
> 
> At least my personal site has the feedline routed in
> a way that it is
> not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof
> straight up. (wx3m.info)

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Question

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
Like he said, it depends on several things.  You have to consider the
Antennas, power, frequency, split and quality of receiver and transmitter.
On the receiver you have to look at selectivity and on the transmitter you
have to look at transmit noise.  
 
I have 80 feet between my two high band antennas running a 2 meter repeater
with no desense at all and no filtering.  I have seen as little as 60 feet
on an old GE Progress line repeater, the first repeater I ever built.  The
tower was only 120 feet so more would have made the repeater fairly
ineffective.  It also worked well with 60 watts out.
 
If you are using something like a GE Mastr II or equivalent you could
probably go as close as 60 feet with no desense.  If you find you do have
desense or transmit noise problem you can always use a couple of notch
filters to correct the problem with little system loss.
 
Best thing to do is try it and see what happens and address problems later.
That's the fun of Ham Radio.
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:06 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Question



It depends on band, split, power, and antenna gain.

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:00:23 -
"Christopher Hodgdon" mailto:chris.hodgdon%40kaufman-ares.org"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> We are looking at setting up a basic (I know there is no 
>such thing)
> repeater. What I need to know, if you do not have a 
>duplexer to run
> your antenna through, but have two antennas, with one on 
>the TX and
> one on the RX how far apart do they have to be to be 
>able to correctly
> operate?
> 



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton check list -2008 Time for the Annual reminder of all the fun Dayton is and can be

[Paul Finch]

Please! Soap and Deodorant!
 
There were a lot of "ripe" souls the last time I went.
 
Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:40 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton check list -2008 Time for the Annual
reminder of all the fun Dayton is and can be



On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio wrote:

20. Soap
21. Dedoderant. This isn't the Navy circa WWII.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR mailto:kris%40catonic.us"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

[Paul Finch]

Mike,
 
I tried that several times with no luck and gave up.  Maybe they have fixed
the problem letting the <>'s fix the line wrap problem.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:04 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT



On most mail programs if you include a set of <> characters
around the link it won't break on a word wrap.

Like this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hamvention/?v=1&t=search&ch=web&pub=groups&se
c=group&slk=1"http://groups.-yahoo.com/-group/hamvention-/?v=1&t=search&-ch=
web&pub=-groups&sec=-group&slk=-1>

This trick is part of the URL specification (RFC 1738 by Tim
Berners-Lee)-, and properly written email programs respect
the <> characters.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 06:24 AM 04/20/08, you wrote:
>I see the link line wrapped so you will need to copy and paste it two
>sections starting at the http all the way to the space but do not include
>the comma.
>
>Paul
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>[mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
>Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:16 AM
>To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT
>
>Joe,
>
>The easiest way to find it is go to Yahoo, click on Groups, click in the
>Search field and type in Hamvention. It is the first one on the list.
>Steve B. sent a link yesterday that would take you directly to it, did you
>get it?
>
>If not try this link;
>HYPERLINK
"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hamvention/?v=1&t=search&ch=web&pub=groups&se
c"http://groups.-yahoo.com/-group/hamvention-/?v=1&t=search&-ch=web&pub=-gro
ups&sec
>=group&slk=-1 , Yahoo search is your friend!
>
>The name is Dayton Hamvention.
>
>Anything else?
>
>Paul
>
>
>-Original Message-
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m
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m] On Behalf Of MCH
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m
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT
>
>Still waiting for the list name
>
>Joe M.
>
>MCH wrote:
> > List NAME???
> >
> > Joe M.
> >
> > Paul Finch wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> If interested there is now a Dayton Hamvention group on Yahoo. Sounds
>like
> >> the Dayton people put it up to help, not many people on it yet. Just
> >> thought I would mention it.
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> >> Paul
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
I doubt if I would be interfering with them much with only five watts but I
would not want to ruffle any feathers.  I will be trying a better antenna
this year to help penetrate into the building though, last time I could not
talk very far into the buildings.  
 
I tried a 100 watt repeater here at my tower once on 12.5 KHz split from
another repeater on the same tower and it worked well, even with a JapTrac
radio on site I was not hearing it.  That may not be true with all repeaters
and mobiles though.  The receiver in my portable repeater is pretty sharp
also, like I said I would probably be the one getting the interference but
will stay as far from them as possible.
 
Anyone is welcome to use the repeater if they want to, that is as long as
they are Hams and use it responsibly.  It will have my call, WB5IDM on it. 
 
When/IF I get my space numbers I will publish it here.  There will be at
least three of us from Texas there, come see us!  Who knows, I may even have
a Coke or Yuck, a Dr Pepper..
 
Thanks for the help,
Paul
 
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:31 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: FW: Dayton and Parts you might need



At 4/21/2008 05:54, you wrote:

>Looks like you should be on 444.85. Nothing close here on that freq.
>Both 12.5 up and down have repeaters closer. Cinci and Troy I beleive.
>
>Randy

Agreed. If you have to move to avoid something, chances are you're still 
going to interfere with that something if you only move 12.5 kHz away.

Bob NO6B



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Hijack (WAS: Bad adapter)

[Paul Finch]

Mark and Group,
 
I own and operate a 500 foot commercial radio tower, it's the way I pay for
my very addictive Ham Radio hobby.  Every bit of the copper that can be
inside the new tower facility I am building on is on the inside under lock
and key.  The Lowlife Scumbags would have to break down the door to get at
it.  I have several "other" security measures I will not mention here.  
 
I have about 150 pounds (maybe more) of copper in the ground system inside
and about 40 outside, it will have wood covering it once installed.  Good
thing is, I live about 350 feet from the building and will have about 8
cameras located inside and outside the building hooked to a DVR and fiber
from the building to my house so I can watch the facility from there.  
 
In Texas, at least some cities have passed laws that state a valid Picture
ID must be shown to sell the copper.  I think the state has also passed some
kind of law pertaining to copper thieves as you can tell from the snip below
I found with Google.  The guy that shot the thief was a State legislator!
Don't Mess With Texas Copper.  
 
HYPERLINK
"http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=223899"http://www.sta
teline.org/live/details/story?contentId=223899
HYPERLINK "http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=223899"; 
Friday, July 13, 2007
Copper thefts trigger widespread crackdown
By Kathleen Haughney, Special to Stateline.org 

 
A Texas legislator made headlines this week for shooting a man allegedly
stealing copper pipes from a new home the lawmaker is constructing. Copper
theft is so rampant that 20 states — including Texas — passed laws this year
to try to squelch shady scrap-metal sales. 



 

 

By the way, Jack Webb and Johnny Carson discussed this very problem decades
ago  See:
 
HYPERLINK
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpVjW30I-YU"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g
pVjW30I-YU
 
Paul

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

OK, I will leave it on 444.850, CTCSS of 110.9.  Plus 5 MHz input.
 
Thanks,
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wb8art
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:55 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: FW: Dayton and Parts you might need



Looks like you should be on 444.85. Nothing close here on that freq. 
Both 12.5 up and down have repeaters closer. Cinci and Troy I beleive.

Randy

--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m, "n9wys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK, thanks Paul!
> 
> 
> 
> From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> [mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:38 PM
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might 
need
> 
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> 
> 
> The repeater is currently on 444.850 transmit and 449.850 Receive, 
the
> normal split. I am going to move it either up or down 12.5 KHz so 
I don't
> interfere with any repeaters in the area on the normal spilt. Lets 
say
> right now it's going to be on 444.8625 for now. I will let you 
know if that
> changes.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> WB5IDM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> [mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m] On Behalf Of n9wys
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:12 AM
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might 
need
> 
> Well, Paul, I still don't have my tickets yet, either. although I 
paid for
> them a month ago.
> 
> Been hearing more and more horror stories about how the Hamvention 
is being
> run.
> 
> Also - what will be your repeater split? I don't think I 
understood your
> statement below. If a conventional 5MHz split is used, will your 
input be
> 449.850? Or were you trying to say you'll be on a "12.5 kHz 
splinter freq"
> somewhere near that center freq?
> 
> For others reading this list/thread, I am putting together an Excel
> spreadsheet of freqs that wil most likely be used at Dayton, so I 
can
> program them into my radios. Feel free to send along any freqs you 
will be
> using so I can add them in!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> [mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:01 AM
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might 
need
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Thanks to the Hamvention's wonderful "new" registration system we 
still
> don't have my space numbers. As soon as I get them I will let all 
of
> message boards know. I will have a portable repeater there on the 
12.5 KHz
> spit above or below 444.850 MHz on CTCSS of 110.9. Who know I may 
have a
> flashing beacon on top of the antenna, that is if I have enough 
battery
> power and gas for the generator!
> 
> Paul
> 
> WB5IDM
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> [mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m] On Behalf Of n9wys
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:21 PM
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might 
need
> 
> So where are these famous brats being sold? This will be my first 
year at
> Dayton, and I want to be sure I take in all the "important" sights 
and
> activities.
> 
> Also, what's the secret Repeater-Builder "handshake" or is the 
group using
> any specific simplex freq? Just so I know who I'm meeting when I get
> there hehehe
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
> <mailto:Repeater--Builder%40yahoog-roups.com> On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
> 
> Paul Finch wrote:
> 
> I may still fly out, if all the airlines haven't gone under by then.
> 
> I want a braut

RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Mark,
 
The repeater is currently on 444.850 transmit and 449.850 Receive, the
normal split.  I am going to move it either up or down 12.5 KHz so I don't
interfere with any repeaters in the area on the normal spilt.  Lets say
right now it's going to be on 444.8625 for now.  I will let you know if that
changes.
 
Paul
WB5IDM
 
 


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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n9wys
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:12 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need




Well, Paul, I still don’t have my tickets yet, either… although I paid for
them a month ago.

Been hearing more and more horror stories about how the Hamvention is being
run…

Also – what will be your repeater split?  I don’t think I understood your
statement below…  If a conventional 5MHz split is used, will your input be
449.850?  Or were you trying to say you’ll be on a “12.5 kHz splinter freq”
somewhere near that center freq?

For others reading this list/thread, I am putting together an Excel
spreadsheet of freqs that wil most likely be used at Dayton, so I can
program them into my radios.  Feel free to send along any freqs you will be
using so I can add them in!

Thanks,

Mark – N9WYS

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need

Mark,

Thanks to the Hamvention's wonderful "new" registration system we still
don't have my space numbers.  As soon as I get them I will let all of
message boards know.  I will have a portable repeater there on the 12.5 KHz
spit above or below 444.850 MHz on CTCSS of 110.9.   Who know I may have a
flashing beacon on top of the antenna, that is if I have enough battery
power and gas for the generator!

Paul

WB5IDM

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n9wys
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need

So where are these famous brats being sold? This will be my first year at
Dayton, and I want to be sure I take in all the "important" sights and
activities.

Also, what's the secret Repeater-Builder "handshake" or is the group using
any specific simplex freq? Just so I know who I'm meeting when I get
there hehehe

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: HYPERLINK
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m On Behalf Of Nate Duehr

Paul Finch wrote:

I may still fly out, if all the airlines haven't gone under by then.

I want a braut. ;-)

Nate WY0X

 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

[Paul Finch]

I see the link line wrapped so you will need to copy and paste it two
sections starting at the http all the way to the space but do not include
the comma.

Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:16 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

Joe,

The easiest way to find it is go to Yahoo, click on Groups, click in the
Search field and type in Hamvention.  It is the first one on the list.
Steve B. sent a link yesterday that would take you directly to it, did you
get it?

If not try this link;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hamvention/?v=1&t=search&ch=web&pub=groups&sec
=group&slk=1 , Yahoo search is your friend!

The name is Dayton Hamvention.

Anything else?

Paul
 

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Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

Still waiting for the list name

Joe M.

MCH wrote:
> List NAME???
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> Joe M.
> 
> Paul Finch wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> If interested there is now a Dayton Hamvention group on Yahoo.  Sounds
like
>> the Dayton people put it up to help, not many people on it yet.  Just
>> thought I would mention it.
>>  
>> Paul
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

[Paul Finch]

Joe,

The easiest way to find it is go to Yahoo, click on Groups, click in the
Search field and type in Hamvention.  It is the first one on the list.
Steve B. sent a link yesterday that would take you directly to it, did you
get it?

If not try this link;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hamvention/?v=1&t=search&ch=web&pub=groups&sec
=group&slk=1 , Yahoo search is your friend!

The name is Dayton Hamvention.

Anything else?

Paul
 

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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

Still waiting for the list name

Joe M.

MCH wrote:
> List NAME???
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Paul Finch wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> If interested there is now a Dayton Hamvention group on Yahoo.  Sounds
like
>> the Dayton people put it up to help, not many people on it yet.  Just
>> thought I would mention it.
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Mark,
 
Thanks to the Hamvention's wonderful "new" registration system we still
don't have my space numbers.  As soon as I get them I will let all of
message boards know.  I will have a portable repeater there on the 12.5 KHz
spit above or below 444.850 MHz on CTCSS of 110.9.   Who know I may have a
flashing beacon on top of the antenna, that is if I have enough battery
power and gas for the generator!
 
Paul
WB5IDM
 

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Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:21 PM
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So where are these famous brats being sold? This will be my first year at
Dayton, and I want to be sure I take in all the "important" sights and
activities.

Also, what's the secret Repeater-Builder "handshake" or is the group using
any specific simplex freq? Just so I know who I'm meeting when I get
there hehehe

Mark - N9WYS

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m On Behalf Of Nate Duehr

Paul Finch wrote:

I may still fly out, if all the airlines haven't gone under by then.

I want a braut. ;-)

Nate WY0X



 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton whale tales 101

[Paul Finch]

Joe,
 
Same thing happened to me with some Johnson 559 mobile radios, that's all I
use on my Ham UHF repeaters.  I went in one day and found a stack of five
radios and base.  Looked to have been there a long time!  I went up and made
an offer of what I had been getting them for at Hamfests and he really got
mad.  He yelled at me and said, "I paid over 800 Bucks each for those radios
20 years ago and you want to come in and steal them?"  I said, never mind
and walked out.
 
About two years ago the guy passed away and the radios were still there,
from what I understand everything went in a dumpster.
 
Paul
 

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I've been doing hamfest for over 35 years now and there seems to be a 
small group of hams out there that enjoy showing off their valuble stuff 
at these events. (Value is in the eye of the beholder). I recently 
helped toss some of this "stuff" into a dumpster at a silent keys home. 
It was always too valuable for him to sell for a cheap price.

73, Joe, K1ike

skipp025 wrote:
> I missed year #4 (last year) but I'm looking forward to 
> visiting with my old friend to see if he's now willing 
> to make a deal in year #5. 
>
> cheers, 
> s. 
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[Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
If interested there is now a Dayton Hamvention group on Yahoo.  Sounds like
the Dayton people put it up to help, not many people on it yet.  Just
thought I would mention it.
 
Paul
 



 


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[Repeater-Builder] FW: Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Below is a list of items going to Dayton with me.  Any of the heavy items
will go unless prior arrangements are made with a $50.00 deposit.  On the
cabinets you will receive $25.00 back once you pick up the cabinet(s) in
Dayton.  Not all of the stuff going to Dayton is listed so come by the
spaces and check it out.  I will let everyone know what the spaces are
when/if the Dayton crew gets in touch with me, they have had the credit card
number for about two months and so far no response.

If interested in something email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

1-Motorola T74SRA6800AK
Lots-Vacuum Tubes (sold separately or together, you chose)
2-Motorola R1100A Code Synthesizer  (Generates CTCSS, two tone and DCS
codes)
4-Glenayre 6' Cabinets
3-GE 6" Cabinets 
?-Assorted Motorola Test Cables for Test Bench Panel
?-Assorted Glenayre PA Decks and exciters
15-GE Mastr Exec II UHF Desktop Base Stations (450-460 Split)
1-GE Ericsson N8A209 Pole Mount Base Station (Great weatherproof cabinet)
1-Motorola Mocom Compa Base Station UHF
1 Motorola Mitrek Compa Base Station UHF
1-Motorola Micor Base Station 100 Watt UHF Non-Unified
1-Motorola Micor Base Station 75 Watt UHF Unified
1-Motorola MSR 2000 Base PA and some parts missing
2-GE Mastr II 800 MHz TXRX Rack mount package (No PA)
Assorted NOS Motorola Parts
1-Glenayre 900 MHz RX to 72 MHz Paging Link Repeater  (Hot Standby TX and
RX)
1-Motorola 6 Gang Charger Model NTN 4668A
1-GE Mastr II Combo D176RAU66A ET-43A ER-64A 30 Cabinet
1-BBL System 6A Plus Spare Cards (Yes I know, how needs it but the cabinet
is good and lot's of useable parts)
3-Best 3KVA UPS (Need batteries, on 208 AC, instructions to move to 220)
((Heavy, will take to Dayton only if prior arrangements made)
3-GE Mastr II D174TCN33A 47 MHz 110 watt KT-60A-ER-63A in 30" cabinet
3-Motorola HMN3008A NIB Mobile Mic W/LED
1-Motorola HMN3413A NIB GM300 Mic
1-Zetron Sentri Max Model 1550 (3-Small boards, 1 Main board and
cabinet/Power Supply)
9-GE Mastr II Mobile Combo MC74AU33A 47MHz (KT-31A/ER-63A)
3-Motorola Syntor Xx X45VBA7100BK
1-Motorola Radius M120 M44GMC20A3AA
2-Motorola Mocom 70's (Unknown band-high on shelves, if interested before
Dayton email for info)
3-Motorola Micors  (Unknown band-high on shelves, if interested before
Dayton email for info)
7-Motorola Mitreks (48 MHz Low Band, 75 Watt I think)
2-Motorola TLN2418A Test Sets
?-Eagle/Microlink/PPI (Various transmitters, PA's receivers and one new Link
20 Base and remote unit)
Lots of Motorola Service Manuals, too many to list (Over two file
cabinets)(Micors, Mitreks and a bunch of other "M's"

Thanks,
Paul

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Tower

[Paul Finch]

That's exactly what the said on the tower group.

Paul

 

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Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:26 AM
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At 07:19 AM 4/6/2008, you wrote:
>Antenna Tower steal 95 Ft tapered.
>Built in 1960,
>Central Pennsylvania.
>Must remove from the site owner wants a donation for it.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tower To go

[Paul Finch]

I concur..

Paul

 

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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:50 PM
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Ok, I'll comment. I can't be the only one here on this list thinking 
this way

This tower is nearly 50 years old and is loaded with antennas and feedlines.

The owner expects someone to remove all the hardware and take the tower 
down, and then pay him money?

I'd think you'd be doing good to get someone to take it down for less than 
$1,000.

But maybe I'm all wet. Anyone else want to offer their perspective?

Chuck
WB2EDV




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> Antenna Tower steal 95 Ft tapered.
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] A little off-topic but may be of intrest to the group

[Paul Finch]

VERY interesting and I don't think it's off topic at all but I am not the
moderator.

Paul
 

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Firefighters' Distrust of Digital Radio System Grows
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Benjamin,

This was a two way shop I got most of the Motorola manuals from, I doubt if
they had much in the way of phones but I will look and let you know.

Paul

 

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SPC
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton and Parts you might need

Do you have any service manuals for Motorola analog phones?

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ


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Sent: Tue 01-Apr-08 17:44
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton and Parts you might need
 
Hello All,
 
I will be traveling to Dayton with an enclosed trailer full of parts and
pieces.  I have a couple Mastr II UHF 100 watt base stations, some Micor VHF
and UHF stations (unknown power), Motorola Service manuals, 6 foot GE Mastr
II and Quintron cabinets (cheap) GE (grey) voting cages, Motorola Test bench
metering panels with all sorts of test cables, some Motorola NOS parts, Mot
boards, and way to many other parts and pieces to mention here.  LOT's of
STUFF, just ask.
 
Send me an email with what you need and I will check to see if I have it.
On the cabinets, I have several these that I can take but they take a lot of
room in the trailer.  I will only take them to Dayton if someone expresses
an interest in them and is willing to make a good will down payment mailed
to me on the cabinets at least two weeks before I leave for Dayton. They are
just to big and take up too much room in the trailer only to bring them
back.

Once I have them at Dayton and the deal is complete and the cabinet changing
hands I will refund 1/2 of the good will payment of $50.00. That means the
cabinet would only be 25 bucks. Pretty good price if you ask me.

 Only the large items like cabinets require pre-payment.
 
Paul
 

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[Repeater-Builder] Dayton and Parts you might need....

[Paul Finch]

Hello All,
 
I will be traveling to Dayton with an enclosed trailer full of parts and
pieces.  I have a couple Mastr II UHF 100 watt base stations, some Micor VHF
and UHF stations (unknown power), Motorola Service manuals, 6 foot GE Mastr
II and Quintron cabinets (cheap) GE (grey) voting cages, Motorola Test bench
metering panels with all sorts of test cables, some Motorola NOS parts, Mot
boards, and way to many other parts and pieces to mention here.  LOT's of
STUFF, just ask.
 
Send me an email with what you need and I will check to see if I have it.
On the cabinets, I have several these that I can take but they take a lot of
room in the trailer.  I will only take them to Dayton if someone expresses
an interest in them and is willing to make a good will down payment mailed
to me on the cabinets at least two weeks before I leave for Dayton. They are
just to big and take up too much room in the trailer only to bring them
back.

Once I have them at Dayton and the deal is complete and the cabinet changing
hands I will refund 1/2 of the good will payment of $50.00. That means the
cabinet would only be 25 bucks. Pretty good price if you ask me.

 Only the large items like cabinets require pre-payment.
 
Paul
 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc

[Paul Finch]

Ron and All,

EZGO Golf Carts do this all the time with there electric golf carts, they
tie the tail lights and head light if any to the lower two 6 volt set of
batteries.  I admit it is not the best way to go about it but it seems to
work, as Ron said, it depends on the load and in the case of the carts the
duty cycle.

Paul
  

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Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:22 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc

Al,

Your point is well taken and I understood this.  However, for the most part
a rig is not going to be drawing much current, in receive most of the time.
Little affect on the charge/discharge of the lower battery.  This is why in
a previous post I said depends on the load if wanting to connect across the
lower battery.

I think the solution to this topic came from you and others long ago.  Use a
24-12 converter.  They are about the same price as a battery.  However, for
the typical 50 W rig I would have no problem connecting across the bottom
battery.  The batteries get lots more abuse from the vehicle.  A 1 amp draw
99% of the time is little compared to the typical draw from the other stuff.
If drawing the currents you are talking about, again connecting to the lower
battery would be a problem.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Al Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/29 Sat AM 01:07:34 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc

>
>Ron, et al,
>A corollary of Kirchhoff's law says that all currents are equal in a 
>series circuit and all voltages are equal in a parallel circuit. Tapping a 
>load across the lower battery represents a parallel circuit of the bottom 
>battery and the load (radio) using 12 volts, and this parallel circuit is
in 
>series with the upper battery. If I supply 10 amps from the 24 volt
charging 
>circuit the upper battery receives 10 amps. However, if the load (radio) 
>draws 5 amps the bottom battery can only get the other 5 amps to charge it.

>Hence the application of Kirchhoff's law of currents equal in a series 
>circuit. There is no way for the bottom battery ever to be equally charged 
>with the top battery as the radio has drawn away some of the current from 
>the bottom battery. This current can never be replaced in this 
>configuration.
>
>If the charging current drops to 5 amps then the top battery get 5 amps 
>and the bottom battery gets none. If the charging device is off then the 
>bottom battery continues to supply 5 amps to the load (for a while!)
>
>If this condition continues very long the terminal voltage of the bottom 
>battery will be depressed towards 12 volts or lower but the 24 volt
charging 
>device doesn't know this and will attempt to apply full charging voltage 
>(probably 28 volts or so) to the two seriesed batteries. If the depressed 
>voltage on the bottom battery is down to 12 volts (typical) the top battery

>will get 16 volts, not a healthy situation! It only get worse as the 
>condition continues.
>
>Now there are solutions. One can switch batteries (top with bottom) 
>every few hours but who would actually do this? Or one could put a phantom 
>load across the top battery, something that draws about the same current as

>the radio but this would be rather wasteful of energy and tricky to make 
>work.
>
>Many 12 to 14 volt linear power supply circuits (Astron or ARRL 
>handbook) can be adapted to convert the 24 - 28 volt source down to 12 - 14

>volts just by injecting the +24 volts into the power supply after the main 
>rectifier diodes. But here again the power supply will use up about as much

>power as the load. (Kirchhoff's law again)
>
>If conserving power is important then a switching supply would be in 
>order as some of them are more than 90 % efficient.
>
>73,
>Al, K9SI
>
>>Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc
>>Posted by: "Ron Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] n9eerptr
>>Date: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:04 am ((PDT))
>
>>Depending on the load connecting across one battery, the one connected to 
>>ground or the lower of the 2 12 batteries, will work.  I >would not do is 
>>load is heavy because I am sure the charging system is for both batteries 
>>and draining one much more than the other >could upset things.
>
>>Kirchhoff's current law says the sum of the currents will be zero. 
>>Kirchhoff's voltage law says sum of voltages will be zero.  Not sure >why 
>>revelant here, but I am sure Kirchhoff had something else to do with 
>>voltage and current sources.  Would like to know.
>
>>73, ron, n9ee/r
>
>>>From: Al Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 04:36:54 CDT
>>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc
>
>>
This is a very common issue in aircraft. The most obvious question is
does your jeep use 2 each 12 volt batteries? If so, simply connect
your ra

RE: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

[Paul Finch]

Did everyone get this email three time like I did?  I only sent it once.
Sorry bout that

Paul
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:05 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

Hello Group,

I will say right now, a resistor is a bad idea but it can work of done
correctly and the load is a constant.  Back before I knew better I did just
that.  I needed 12 VDC for the filament of a GE Mastr Pro UHF transmitter, I
can't remember the current right now, it's been 20 years.  I built a DC
supply and built a regulator with a 2N3055 NPN pass transistor, it worked OK
but the transistor was dropping way to much voltage creating a lot of heat.
I installed a high wattage series resistor that was heat sinked to a big
aluminum plate before the 2N3055 and with a big Moose of a capacitor on the
input of the 3055 to keep down noise.  The resistor dropped the input
voltage about 10 volts and the transistor ran cool.  All of this was before
any DC to DC converters were popular or available to the average Joe Ham.  

The system ran like that with no problem for years, I shut the repeater down
and left it on the building, it was not worth the effort to bring it down
from the penthouse.  As far as I know it's still up there could possibly be
fired back up on 444.850 if needed.  My friend that got me that site retired
so I faded away.

The Converters are by far the best but if the load is fairly constant and if
all you have to work with is a series resistor and a regulator it can work. 

Also, you don't have to buy these from Astron, you can buy small "bricks"
that do this same thing and all you have to do is add some capacitance to
the output unless they have variable outputs.  Don't know what Astron gets
on their units but I have several 48 to 5, 12 and 24 volts units in service
now like the ones below.

Here are a few, I have used the Powerstream and Murata products in the past.

http://www.vicr.com/  
http://www.v-infinity.com/
http://www.powerstream.com/dcdc.htm
http://www.murata-ps.com/mps-home.html

Again, don't get me wrong, THE DC to DC CONVERTER IS BEST!  Just trying to
avoid flames.

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:34 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

Rick,

Definitely do not use a resistor.  Its drop depends on current draw and if
the rig is a transceiver it will draw much more current on TX than RX
changing the drop.

You can use the lower battery, the one connected to ground.  However, as
some others suggested might be better to have a 24-to-12 V converter.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Rick & Charlotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:21:31 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

>
>I hope some one on the group can help me out here 
>
>I want to put a  radio in a jeep 
>
>the problem is the jeep runs 24 v and as you know radios run 12v
>
>Is there a device that will drop 24v down to 12 vdv ? I know I could use a 
>droping resistor but I can see it making a lot of heat 
>
>if I remember right the jeep uses 2 12 v batts can I just tape off one set
for 
>the radio ?
>
>I know this is not about repeaters , but just thought some one might  have 
>an idea .. 
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick
>
>Of all the intelligent animals, Human is the species that is least likely
to learn 
>from its experience.
>That explains why so manny of us have more then one Border Collie !
>
>==  www.karolinabc.ca  == 
>
>Rick,Charlote & Kids
>Our Border Collies
>Miss Daisy Duke
>Sir Red-A-Lot
>Miss Elly May
>Mr Boots
>Mr. Balue
>Our Border Collie Message Group
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>



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727-376-6575
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

[Paul Finch]

Hello Group,

I will say right now, a resistor is a bad idea but it can work of done
correctly and the load is a constant.  Back before I knew better I did just
that.  I needed 12 VDC for the filament of a GE Mastr Pro UHF transmitter, I
can't remember the current right now, it's been 20 years.  I built a DC
supply and built a regulator with a 2N3055 NPN pass transistor, it worked OK
but the transistor was dropping way to much voltage creating a lot of heat.
I installed a high wattage series resistor that was heat sinked to a big
aluminum plate before the 2N3055 and with a big Moose of a capacitor on the
input of the 3055 to keep down noise.  The resistor dropped the input
voltage about 10 volts and the transistor ran cool.  All of this was before
any DC to DC converters were popular or available to the average Joe Ham.  

The system ran like that with no problem for years, I shut the repeater down
and left it on the building, it was not worth the effort to bring it down
from the penthouse.  As far as I know it's still up there could possibly be
fired back up on 444.850 if needed.  My friend that got me that site retired
so I faded away.

The Converters are by far the best but if the load is fairly constant and if
all you have to work with is a series resistor and a regulator it can work. 

Also, you don't have to buy these from Astron, you can buy small "bricks"
that do this same thing and all you have to do is add some capacitance to
the output unless they have variable outputs.  Don't know what Astron gets
on their units but I have several 48 to 5, 12 and 24 volts units in service
now like the ones below.

Here are a few, I have used the Powerstream and Murata products in the past.

http://www.vicr.com/  
http://www.v-infinity.com/
http://www.powerstream.com/dcdc.htm
http://www.murata-ps.com/mps-home.html

Again, don't get me wrong, THE DC to DC CONVERTER IS BEST!  Just trying to
avoid flames.

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:34 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

Rick,

Definitely do not use a resistor.  Its drop depends on current draw and if
the rig is a transceiver it will draw much more current on TX than RX
changing the drop.

You can use the lower battery, the one connected to ground.  However, as
some others suggested might be better to have a 24-to-12 V converter.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Rick & Charlotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:21:31 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

>
>I hope some one on the group can help me out here 
>
>I want to put a  radio in a jeep 
>
>the problem is the jeep runs 24 v and as you know radios run 12v
>
>Is there a device that will drop 24v down to 12 vdv ? I know I could use a 
>droping resistor but I can see it making a lot of heat 
>
>if I remember right the jeep uses 2 12 v batts can I just tape off one set
for 
>the radio ?
>
>I know this is not about repeaters , but just thought some one might  have 
>an idea .. 
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick
>
>Of all the intelligent animals, Human is the species that is least likely
to learn 
>from its experience.
>That explains why so manny of us have more then one Border Collie !
>
>==  www.karolinabc.ca  == 
>
>Rick,Charlote & Kids
>Our Border Collies
>Miss Daisy Duke
>Sir Red-A-Lot
>Miss Elly May
>Mr Boots
>Mr. Balue
>Our Border Collie Message Group
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>



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727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

[Paul Finch]

Hello Group,

I will say right now, a resistor is a bad idea but it can work of done
correctly and the load is a constant.  Back before I knew better I did just
that.  I needed 12 VDC for the filament of a GE Mastr Pro UHF transmitter, I
can't remember the current right now, it's been 20 years.  I built a DC
supply and built a regulator with a 2N3055 NPN pass transistor, it worked OK
but the transistor was dropping way to much voltage creating a lot of heat.
I installed a high wattage series resistor that was heat sinked to a big
aluminum plate before the 2N3055 and with a big Moose of a capacitor on the
input of the 3055 to keep down noise.  The resistor dropped the input
voltage about 10 volts and the transistor ran cool.  All of this was before
any DC to DC converters were popular or available to the average Joe Ham.  

The system ran like that with no problem for years, I shut the repeater down
and left it on the building, it was not worth the effort to bring it down
from the penthouse.  As far as I know it's still up there could possibly be
fired back up on 444.850 if needed.  My friend that got me that site retired
so I faded away.

The Converters are by far the best but if the load is fairly constant and if
all you have to work with is a series resistor and a regulator it can work. 

Also, you don't have to buy these from Astron, you can buy small "bricks"
that do this same thing and all you have to do is add some capacitance to
the output unless they have variable outputs.  Don't know what Astron gets
on their units but I have several 48 to 5, 12 and 24 volts units in service
now like the ones below.

Here are a few, I have used the Powerstream and Murata products in the past.

http://www.vicr.com/  
http://www.v-infinity.com/
http://www.powerstream.com/dcdc.htm
http://www.murata-ps.com/mps-home.html

Again, don't get me wrong, THE DC to DC CONVERTER IS BEST!  Just trying to
avoid flames.

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:34 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

Rick,

Definitely do not use a resistor.  Its drop depends on current draw and if
the rig is a transceiver it will draw much more current on TX than RX
changing the drop.

You can use the lower battery, the one connected to ground.  However, as
some others suggested might be better to have a 24-to-12 V converter.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Rick & Charlotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:21:31 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

>
>I hope some one on the group can help me out here 
>
>I want to put a  radio in a jeep 
>
>the problem is the jeep runs 24 v and as you know radios run 12v
>
>Is there a device that will drop 24v down to 12 vdv ? I know I could use a 
>droping resistor but I can see it making a lot of heat 
>
>if I remember right the jeep uses 2 12 v batts can I just tape off one set
for 
>the radio ?
>
>I know this is not about repeaters , but just thought some one might  have 
>an idea .. 
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick
>
>Of all the intelligent animals, Human is the species that is least likely
to learn 
>from its experience.
>That explains why so manny of us have more then one Border Collie !
>
>==  www.karolinabc.ca  == 
>
>Rick,Charlote & Kids
>Our Border Collies
>Miss Daisy Duke
>Sir Red-A-Lot
>Miss Elly May
>Mr Boots
>Mr. Balue
>Our Border Collie Message Group
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>



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727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

[Paul Finch]

Hello Group,

I will say right now, a resistor is a bad idea but it can work of done
correctly and the load is a constant.  Back before I knew better I did just
that.  I needed 12 VDC for the filament of a GE Mastr Pro UHF transmitter, I
can't remember the current right now, it's been 20 years.  I built a DC
supply and built a regulator with a 2N3055 NPN pass transistor, it worked OK
but the transistor was dropping way to much voltage creating a lot of heat.
I installed a high wattage series resistor that was heat sinked to a big
aluminum plate before the 2N3055 and with a big Moose of a capacitor on the
input of the 3055 to keep down noise.  The resistor dropped the input
voltage about 10 volts and the transistor ran cool.  All of this was before
any DC to DC converters were popular or available to the average Joe Ham.  

The system ran like that with no problem for years, I shut the repeater down
and left it on the building, it was not worth the effort to bring it down
from the penthouse.  As far as I know it's still up there could possibly be
fired back up on 444.850 if needed.  My friend that got me that site retired
so I faded away.

The Converters are by far the best but if the load is fairly constant and if
all you have to work with is a series resistor and a regulator it can work. 

Also, you don't have to buy these from Astron, you can buy small "bricks"
that do this same thing and all you have to do is add some capacitance to
the output unless they have variable outputs.  Don't know what Astron gets
on their units but I have several 48 to 5, 12 and 24 volts units in service
now like the ones below.

Here are a few, I have used the Powerstream and Murata products in the past.

http://www.vicr.com/  
http://www.v-infinity.com/
http://www.powerstream.com/dcdc.htm
http://www.murata-ps.com/mps-home.html

Again, don't get me wrong, THE DC to DC CONVERTER IS BEST!  Just trying to
avoid flames.

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:34 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

Rick,

Definitely do not use a resistor.  Its drop depends on current draw and if
the rig is a transceiver it will draw much more current on TX than RX
changing the drop.

You can use the lower battery, the one connected to ground.  However, as
some others suggested might be better to have a 24-to-12 V converter.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Rick & Charlotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:21:31 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

>
>I hope some one on the group can help me out here 
>
>I want to put a  radio in a jeep 
>
>the problem is the jeep runs 24 v and as you know radios run 12v
>
>Is there a device that will drop 24v down to 12 vdv ? I know I could use a 
>droping resistor but I can see it making a lot of heat 
>
>if I remember right the jeep uses 2 12 v batts can I just tape off one set
for 
>the radio ?
>
>I know this is not about repeaters , but just thought some one might  have 
>an idea .. 
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick
>
>Of all the intelligent animals, Human is the species that is least likely
to learn 
>from its experience.
>That explains why so manny of us have more then one Border Collie !
>
>==  www.karolinabc.ca  == 
>
>Rick,Charlote & Kids
>Our Border Collies
>Miss Daisy Duke
>Sir Red-A-Lot
>Miss Elly May
>Mr Boots
>Mr. Balue
>Our Border Collie Message Group
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>



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727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.







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RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for Repeater

[Paul Finch]

Ron,

Yes, he is wanting this as a GMRS repeater which I would think is very
illegal.  On the other hand, anything is legal in an emergency.

Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:26 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles
for Repeater

Paul & Rob,

The issue with having the rig capable of transmitting on GMRS can be a
problem.

Many Ham rigs can be legally opened for MARS, etc use and this will often
open for many other frequencies.

I would say if the rig were in a repeater then a problem.  I would think
just having the rig would not be an issue, but having it installed, but not
used and especially wired would be a problem.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Paul Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 03:43:19 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater

>
>Rob, The Alinco equipment is NOT FCC type accepted for commercial service
of any kind.  Matter of fact it is very illegal to have them on those
frequencies.  Check out the Type Acceptance number on the radios and look it
up in the FCC files, it will tell you what you can do with it, the DR-605 is
a Ham radio only, I know I have one. The Standard RP-70 is probably Type
Accepted by the FCC for commercial use but may or may not do the bandwidth
required for GMRS which I think is 12.5 KHz, I may be wrong on that
bandwidth though. Whatever, it is not legal to have Amateur equipment on
GMRS, FRS or any other commercial frequencies.   Paul 
>From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:38 PM
>To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater
>
>Why, there are some standard RP-70 U Uhf repeaters already on GMRS on Ebay
for around $75, just need crystals or maybe you can find on on a freq that
you can get licensed in your area. They are only 10 watts but with the right
site or an amp they would work fine. I used one for years with no problems -
Rob - KS4EC
>From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of briguy1q2w
>Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:14 PM
>To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater
>
>
>I am wondering if anyone has experience with setting up two of these
>radios to work as a GMRS Repeater? We are experimenting with the idea
>of setting one up in our small town.
>Will I need a simple controller or interface of some type that may be
>readily available?
>
>Any help in the correct direction would be appreciated!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Brian/WB2JIX
>
> 
>REMEMBER   - You can find it on ebaY
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for Repeater

[Paul Finch]

The transmitting part is a given, very illegal to transmit but OK to receive
but he wanted to transmit with one.  You can receive anything anywhere
except cellular.

Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MCH
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:10 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater

Actually, it is perfectly legal to "have them there". The part that is 
illegal is *transmitting* there. Many units have RX coverage on those 
frequencies from the factory.

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> Rob,
>  
> The Alinco equipment is NOT FCC type accepted for commercial service of 
> any kind.  Matter of fact it is very illegal to have them on those 
> frequencies.  Check out the Type Acceptance number on the radios and 
> look it up in the FCC files, it will tell you what you can do with it, 
> the DR-605 is a Ham radio only, I know I have one.
>  
> The Standard RP-70 is probably Type Accepted by the FCC for commercial 
> use but may or may not do the bandwidth required for GMRS which I think 
> is 12.5 KHz, I may be wrong on that bandwidth though.
>  
> Whatever, it is not legal to have Amateur equipment on GMRS, FRS or any 
> other commercial frequencies. 
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Robert Pease
> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2008 12:38 PM
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles 
> for Repeater
> 
> Why, there are some standard RP-70 U Uhf repeaters already on GMRS on 
> Ebay for around $75, just need crystals or maybe you can find on on a 
> freq that you can get licensed in your area. They are only 10 watts but 
> with the right site or an amp they would work fine. I used one for years 
> with no problems - Rob - KS4EC
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *briguy1q2w
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:14 PM
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for 
> Repeater
> 
> I am wondering if anyone has experience with setting up two of these
> radios to work as a GMRS Repeater? We are experimenting with the idea
> of setting one up in our small town.
> Will I need a simple controller or interface of some type that may be
> readily available?
> 
> Any help in the correct direction would be appreciated!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Brian/WB2JIX
> 
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for Repeater

[Paul Finch]

Rob,
 
OK, I understand.  There was an email missing somewhere or I never got the
part from him I guess.  I had a Standard repeater, never tried to get it on
the air, have too good a luck with my junque (aka high class junk) repeaters
I build from Mobiles but only for Ham service.  I am a Icom dealer and use
pretty much their FR series for most of the commercial stuff.
 
Thanks,
Paul
 

   _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:54 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater


I was sugesting the RP70U as a cheap, and legal replacement for the
alinco's. I am with you on not using the Alinco's. My point is that there
where cheaper, legal ways to do what he wants to do.
 
Rob

   _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater




Rob,
 
The Alinco equipment is NOT FCC type accepted for commercial service of any
kind.  Matter of fact it is very illegal to have them on those frequencies.
Check out the Type Acceptance number on the radios and look it up in the FCC
files, it will tell you what you can do with it, the DR-605 is a Ham radio
only, I know I have one.
 
The Standard RP-70 is probably Type Accepted by the FCC for commercial use
but may or may not do the bandwidth required for GMRS which I think is 12.5
KHz, I may be wrong on that bandwidth though.
 
Whatever, it is not legal to have Amateur equipment on GMRS, FRS or any
other commercial frequencies.  
 
Paul
 

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater


Why, there are some standard RP-70 U Uhf repeaters already on GMRS on Ebay
for around $75, just need crystals or maybe you can find on on a freq that
you can get licensed in your area. They are only 10 watts but with the right
site or an amp they would work fine. I used one for years with no problems -
Rob - KS4EC

   _  

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Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater



I am wondering if anyone has experience with setting up two of these
radios to work as a GMRS Repeater? We are experimenting with the idea
of setting one up in our small town.
Will I need a simple controller or interface of some type that may be
readily available?

Any help in the correct direction would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Brian/WB2JIX





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for Repeater

[Paul Finch]

Rob,
 
OK, I understand.  There was an email missing somewhere or I never got the
part from him I guess.  I had a Standard repeater, never tried to get it on
the air, have too good a luck with my junque (aka high class junk) repeaters
I build from Mobiles but only for Ham service.  I am a Icom dealer and use
pretty much their FR series for most of the commercial stuff.
 
Thanks,
Paul
 

   _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:54 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater


I was sugesting the RP70U as a cheap, and legal replacement for the
alinco's. I am with you on not using the Alinco's. My point is that there
where cheaper, legal ways to do what he wants to do.
 
Rob

   _  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater




Rob,
 
The Alinco equipment is NOT FCC type accepted for commercial service of any
kind.  Matter of fact it is very illegal to have them on those frequencies.
Check out the Type Acceptance number on the radios and look it up in the FCC
files, it will tell you what you can do with it, the DR-605 is a Ham radio
only, I know I have one.
 
The Standard RP-70 is probably Type Accepted by the FCC for commercial use
but may or may not do the bandwidth required for GMRS which I think is 12.5
KHz, I may be wrong on that bandwidth though.
 
Whatever, it is not legal to have Amateur equipment on GMRS, FRS or any
other commercial frequencies.  
 
Paul
 

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater


Why, there are some standard RP-70 U Uhf repeaters already on GMRS on Ebay
for around $75, just need crystals or maybe you can find on on a freq that
you can get licensed in your area. They are only 10 watts but with the right
site or an amp they would work fine. I used one for years with no problems -
Rob - KS4EC

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of briguy1q2w
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater



I am wondering if anyone has experience with setting up two of these
radios to work as a GMRS Repeater? We are experimenting with the idea
of setting one up in our small town.
Will I need a simple controller or interface of some type that may be
readily available?

Any help in the correct direction would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Brian/WB2JIX





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more. 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for Repeater

[Paul Finch]

Rob,
 
The Alinco equipment is NOT FCC type accepted for commercial service of any
kind.  Matter of fact it is very illegal to have them on those frequencies.
Check out the Type Acceptance number on the radios and look it up in the FCC
files, it will tell you what you can do with it, the DR-605 is a Ham radio
only, I know I have one.
 
The Standard RP-70 is probably Type Accepted by the FCC for commercial use
but may or may not do the bandwidth required for GMRS which I think is 12.5
KHz, I may be wrong on that bandwidth though.
 
Whatever, it is not legal to have Amateur equipment on GMRS, FRS or any
other commercial frequencies.  
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:38 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater


Why, there are some standard RP-70 U Uhf repeaters already on GMRS on Ebay
for around $75, just need crystals or maybe you can find on on a freq that
you can get licensed in your area. They are only 10 watts but with the right
site or an amp they would work fine. I used one for years with no problems -
Rob - KS4EC

   _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of briguy1q2w
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:14 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Using Alinco DR-605 Dual Band Mobiles for
Repeater



I am wondering if anyone has experience with setting up two of these
radios to work as a GMRS Repeater? We are experimenting with the idea
of setting one up in our small town.
Will I need a simple controller or interface of some type that may be
readily available?

Any help in the correct direction would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Brian/WB2JIX



 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone have a Motorola house part number secret decoder ring?

[Paul Finch]

Which of the tuning capacitors did you have to use from the PPL?  I hope it
was not that really little one, they cause more problems than anything.
Wow, you had to try three PPL's before you found a good PA transistor?  That
is unusual, in the shop I worked at we seldom changed one, had more problems
with the driver and pre-driver than the final.

Paul
 

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I had to grind the flange and ceramic of the 4062 with my dremmel to
make it fit the PCB in the FT-857D. Took me 3 PPL-6060s from my scrap
pile of Johnsons before I found another one with a working final
transistor. The first transistor I salvaged didn't have the ceramic
ground down enough so when I was tightening it down with a loud pop
the ceramic seperated from the copper flange. Pissed me off because it
was still a good transistor.

Had to rebuild the triplexer feeding it. I don't know what it is but I
have seen a rash of PCB spontanious combustion in Yaesu UHF radios.
This one was burning a hole under one of the chip inductors. I don't
know, maybe FR4 doesnt like UHF?

I also had to grab a tuning cap from the Johnson to fine match the
transistor on UHF.

Got it doing 15W on UHF and 40W on VHF. It works, just not as good as
the original, About a dB and a half down, but it's cheap so who cares?
I got 46W on VHF but started to have thermal fold back problems.





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] RFI/Bird Technologies antennas

[Paul Finch]

The link is correct, it is a new antenna for them and the picture is an
artist rendering of the antenna, not an actual picture.  They did not do the
size justice.

Paul

 

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Paul Finch wrote:

> antenna spaces for this customer.  This whole installation has been a
thorn
> in my side from the start using at least 1/3 more space in my building
than
> any other customer.  They started installing the system late August and
it's
> still not on the air.  It's not my system, well guess it is sort of, at


That link you sent must not go to the specs for the monster they brought 
you.  The photo and specs the link went to, seemed to be no big deal.

Maybe the link was wrong, or you had to go down into the spec sheet to 
find a particular model... I didn't bother.

Mostly I didn't care... because...

If it's too big, he who owns the tower, makes the rules... we "tenants" 
all know this.

Go make new rules/charge more if the thing's too big.

Why even check with the list to see if we've seen one?  You've seen it, 
and determined it's a problem for your tower.  Time to revisit their 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Two Repeaters, One Antenna

[Paul Finch]

I will offer another option, Telewave.  Their combining equipment does not
take up two footprints in the tower shack!  The combiner that was just
installed in my building is over 43 inches wide!  The owner of the tower
will thank you, I would.
 
I will also warn you, when you have to duplex, combine and multicouple to
get two systems on one antenna you are looking at a lot of loss, it would be
better to install two antennas.  With two antennas you would not be
affecting the host radio system, in fact you may help his range a bit
depending on how much loss is in his duplexer.
 
Just my 2 cents,
Paul
 

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give TX RX a call and they can fix you up.  Ask for Bob,  have used them
many time and very happy with them.
John
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Two Repeaters, One Antenna


Guys,

I've found a site for my most recent Ham repeater project. Nice farm 
tower on a hill, clean of RF colo, etc. The farm repeater is a 463.xxx 
+ machine and I'm on 444.825. It is set up with nice hardline and a 16 
bay folded dipole antenna (not sure the mfg., but he thinks it's DB). 
Anyway, assuming that thing has useable SWR on my TX frequency (I've 
had that happen before, not holding my breath), does anyone have any 
ideas about the viability of running both repeaters on the same 
antenna but connecting the duplexer outputs together in to the common 
feedline? I've done no math, and not a lot of thinking, but is this 
one of those times when I might run odd multiples of 1/4 wave coax to 
a T at the hardline or something? Both repeaters have BpBr duplexers 
and both have isolators on their outputs.

73 DE N0MJS

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H: +1-785-838-3034
M: +1-785-865-7206



 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] RFI/Bird Technologies antennas

[Paul Finch]

Nate,

Yes, this is a commercial grade 48 inch face 500 foot tower I had erected in
1998.  This new RFI/Bird antenna is much bigger and heavier than a DB-304
antenna, I know, I have one of them up also.  I had my tower designed for 48
antennas on the three antenna mounts at 480' 400' and 330' plus six 6 foot
grid dishes mounted near the top so it's not a rinky dink tower.  I figure
this new antenna is at least twice the wind loading and probably 1/3 more
weight than I figured any antenna would be making me loose two additional
antenna spaces for this customer.  This whole installation has been a thorn
in my side from the start using at least 1/3 more space in my building than
any other customer.  They started installing the system late August and it's
still not on the air.  It's not my system, well guess it is sort of, at
least I am paying for it with my tax dollars.  You are also, it's a
Federally funded upgrade to P-25 for the local county and City fire
department.  

I have two of the 4 bay Sinclair's on my tower now and this RFI/Bird is a
lot larger and heavier.  I don't think a DB-228 would exhibit any more wind
load and is probably the same weight.

Paul


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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RFI/Bird Technologies antennas

Paul Finch wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> Has anyone run into any of the RFI/Bird Technologies 8 loop folded 
> dipole antennas, they are very similar to the DB-304 except this thing 
> is huge!  The dipoles look to be at least 1/2 inch in diameter and are 
> mounted almost one foot away from the mast.  A tower crew brought two of 
> them out here that they are going to mount on my tower for a customer.  
> Once again "M" bites me in the butt with their huge stuff they want to 
> install on/at my tower.
>  
> The antenna is very broadband though, on the label it says 136 to 173 
> MHz, I will test with the antenna analyzer and post it here.  It says it 
> is 6 dB gain.  You can find the information at 
>
http://www.txrx.com/product/product_view.aspx?UID=963AB5AD-59DB-4B4C-B181-68
05057E3051 .  
> I would expect these antennas are pretty expensive, I bet not many Hams 
> can afford them much less have a tower that would support a beast like
this.
>  
> If anyone is interested I have pictures of them laying in my building I 
> can email privately.
>  
> Paul
> WB5IDM

Big broadbanded dipole arrays really are not that uncommon... the 
wider/bigger elements make for them to be VERY broadbanded, which is 
nice for combined systems, etc.

Maybe for "ham grade" they are "big", but at commercial sites?  Nah... 
you see 'em all the time.  They last a hell of a lot longer than 
ham-grade antennas too.

The "foot away from the mast" is 1/2 wave spacing to the mast, giving a 
better pattern if they're all on one side.  If they're on both sides, 
that's kinda interesting.  The link you sent shows the more common 
"DB-style" with arrays on both sides of the mast.

4 and 8-bay Sinclairs and others where all the dipole arrays are on one 
side, and not mounted across from one another, are just as big as what 
you're describing.

Especially if you buy the "heavy duty" option for bad-weather sites.

http://www.sinclairtechnologies.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=1702

There's one that's the wrong band (just hurrying to click to find you a 
photo), all beautiful 33.7 feet of it and 90 lbs.

At one of our sites, TWO of these are used for a split TX/RX antenna 
system for a receive multicoupler and transmitter combined VHF system.

(Well, not these, but two tuned for the ham bands.)

Yep... 80 feet of linear antenna... and 180 lbs of dead weight.

Not much separation between the two ... but wow does that system talk 
and hear...

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[Repeater-Builder] RFI/Bird Technologies antennas

[Paul Finch]

Hello,
 
Has anyone run into any of the RFI/Bird Technologies 8 loop folded dipole
antennas, they are very similar to the DB-304 except this thing is huge!
The dipoles look to be at least 1/2 inch in diameter and are mounted almost
one foot away from the mast.  A tower crew brought two of them out here that
they are going to mount on my tower for a customer.  Once again "M" bites me
in the butt with their huge stuff they want to install on/at my tower.
 
The antenna is very broadband though, on the label it says 136 to 173 MHz, I
will test with the antenna analyzer and post it here.  It says it is 6 dB
gain.  You can find the information at HYPERLINK
"http://www.txrx.com/product/product_view.aspx?UID=963AB5AD-59DB-4B4C-B181-6
805057E3051"http://www.txrx.com/product/product_view.aspx?UID=963AB5AD-59DB-
4B4C-B181-6805057E3051 .  I would expect these antennas are pretty
expensive, I bet not many Hams can afford them much less have a tower that
would support a beast like this.
 
If anyone is interested I have pictures of them laying in my building I can
email privately.
 
Paul 
WB5IDM
 
 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton?

[Paul Finch]

Jeff,

>From what I have seen so far they are very slow and seem unorganized this
year.  About three years ago I called and it was all set up, this year I
called several times with no answer on the phone.  Got a call finally from
one of the chairmen saying he would have the Flea guy call that weekend, no
call so far and that been at least three weeks.

We finally reserved the spaces on-line about two weeks ago, got a automated
response but nothing since.  I know they are volunteers but it's not being
handled very well this year, at least that's my impression.

Paul
 

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton?


Maybe a little off topic, but since we always seem to meet up with a bunch
of other repeater-builder denizens every year at Dayton, maybe not...

Has everyone else received their annual package from the Dayton Hamvention
folks this year for flea market spaces?  Seems to me that I usually received
that whole package in December of January in years' past, but nothing so far
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] star washers on db antennas

[Paul Finch]

Good to know, are they in the 5 or ten piece packs?  Fastenal also has
stainless steel stuff.
 
Paul
 

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Lowes has some
 
 

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Can someone tell me
Are these things stainless or zinc? Stainless star washers sure are
hard to find :-(
Thanks,
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] star washers on db antennas

[Paul Finch]

Whatever you do, replace them with stainless screws, washers and lock
washers!  After that slop 3M Scotchkoat on all of those connections.

Paul
 

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Can someone tell me
Are these things stainless or zinc?  Stainless star washers sure are
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 2_meter Micor repeater for sale

[Paul Finch]

Brings up a good question, what are 2 meter Micor repeaters going for these
days?

Paul
 

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I have a 2-meter micor repeater for sale, built by repeater builder.
Controller installed, and many extras. If instrested call (414) 425-2930
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Friday Ebay Laugh - "UNOPENED OEM HEATHKIT SOLDER PACK"

[Paul Finch]

With the days of lead free solder upon us that may not be such a bad
buy.

Paul
 

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SOLDER PACK"

Well, just worth looking at for the laugh (those of 
you who will get the humor of this auction). 

"UNOPENED OEM HEATHKIT SOLDER PACK"
HEATHKIT PARTS Ebay Item number: 350020446866 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: EF Johnson CR1010 xtal replacement

[Paul Finch]

Only one problem, with two of those things it's twice the money I have in
any of my repeaters!
 
Paul
 

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http://www.expandedspectrumsystems.com/prod7.html

Perhaps you could abandon the crystal assembly altogether and retrofit on of
these into your radios?

td
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 10 Meter Repeater

[Paul Finch]

Group,

I think it would be best to use a controller on both ends with different
shutdown codes and passwords.  Seems the logical thing to do.  If you don't
want to spend the big bucks on two controllers use one of the less expensive
ones on one end or the other.  Brian at ICS has a great little inexpensive
controller that would work on either end or both.  I know, I bought ten of
them in kit form, at a great discount, something you won't get at some of
the "other" controller companies.   Yes, that's a dig.  I think I have less
than $40.00 in each one and they seem to be very dependable, so much so I am
probably sending one up in a balloon project in the next year or so.  

Paul
 

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It could be and *should* be to be legal, I guess. In my opinion, it would be

more in the spirit of good amateur practice to be able to shut off the Tx in

case of interference on the link, rather than to ID the link frequency. If 
the user's audio is being passed completely, their callsign is being 
transferred on the link frequency as well. While I agree, if someone wanted 
to press the issue, that the user's callsign cannot ID the link; but it *is*

being ID'd by an amateur operator. The best way to handle the situation 
would be to use two controllers, one on each end. Doing this would allow 
shutdown of the system in many ways from either end. But to me it's a waste 
of money to spend the extra $$ for two controllers.

Not to get into a rules discussion, but I think that the issue of ID'ing 
linkback frequencies for split site machines and remote receivers should be 
FCC ruled separately than Remote Base linking between two sites. It would 
definitely make it easier as far as linking equipment is concerned. I don't 
know how to accurately define one purpose from the other to propose a 
rewrite to the rules. Other than FCC rule, I personally see no reason why a 
remote receiver link or split site link would need to be ID'd locally. In my

opinion, the user's ID should suffice to ID any audio path his audio would 
take. In other words, the amateur is ID'ing the transmission, not the 
equipment he is using.

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
612 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

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> Shouldn't the controller be at the 10M RX site so the link is ID'ed too?
> It's the 10X TX site that can be 'dumb'. That's the way mine is.
>
>
> Joe M.
>
> Scott Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> The method I have built for customers is using split sites. (transmitter 
>> at
>> one site and receiver at another) These sites should be separated by 
>> about
>> 1/2 to 1 mile. A UHF or 220 link is used to go between the two sites. We 
>> use
>> GE MII equipment for all the Tx's and Rx's. Basically it requires two
>> radios: a 10M MII and a UHF MII. We swap the 10M Rx into the UHF radio 
>> and
>> the UHF Rx into the 10M radio. The result is a 10M -> UHF and a UHF ->10M
>> cross band repeater. The 10M Rx end is usually made to be dumb. Whatever
>> comes in on the 10M Rx goes out on the UHF link channel. (CTCSS, Voice,
>> etc.) This end of the system is simply controlled by COS logic on the 10M
>> Rx.
>>
>> The system controller is located at the 10M Tx site. Since everything is
>> coming back on the UHF link, you can run CTCSS on the system (helpful to
>> eliminate co-channel users) The CTCSS decoder nicely interfaces with the
>> on-site repeater controller. The other advantage is that you have a UHF
>> frequency that you can run a control signal into to shut the system down 
>> if
>> needed.
>>
>> This is a basic overview, but it will give you some ideas.
>> Scott
>>
>> Scott Zimmerman
>> Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
>> 612 Barnett Rd
>> Boswell, PA 15531
>>
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:23 PM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 10 Meter Repeater
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > HELP
>> >
>> > Is there anyone out there with any knowlage with building a 10 meter
>> > repeater. My self and another ham want to put up a 10 meter repeater
>> > and finding nothing in the great World Wide Web on how to go about it.
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> > de Tom KD8DEG
>> >
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] ICOM F221S Mobiles and Repeater

[Paul Finch]

Tony,

They are great little radios and you can program them with any Windows you
want to.  If you use them in repeater service turn the power down and use a
good amp.

Paul
 

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Seeking feedback on the ICOM F221S mobile or CY F221S repeater UHF 
versions as to suitability for use in the 70cm ham band.

Can the radios be programmed with Windows software, or are they like 
many Motorola products - i.e., you need a slow computer running DOS.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: EF Johnson CR1010 Crystal Replacement

[Paul Finch]

MDM,

I was wondering about that myself!  What does the "New" style elements look
like?  When were they installed by Johnson?  I worked in a Johnson shop
until 83 and still have a lot of Johnson radios on the air and don't
remember anything like this.  Admittedly, I have been out of the new Johnson
equipment for a while.

Paul
 

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WONDERING OUT LOUD.WHO DID JOHNSON USE TO MAKE
THEM IN THE FOIST PLACE??? MAYBE THEY CAN TELL
YOU SINCE THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T DO IT THEIR DAMN
SELVES.

SOME ONE HAD TO MFGR THE THINGS

MDM

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> John,
> 
> I stand corrected.  I know that EFJ produced
> some oddball radios, but until
> now I have never heard of a crystal holder or
> channel element that could not
> be recrystalled by ICM.  Live and learn!
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>  
> 
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> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: EF Johnson
> CR1010 Crystal Replacement
> 
> Eric,
> 
> I tried that today and they positively will not
> work on the new type 
> of crystal holders due to the way they are made
> since they cannot 
> reliably make them work. They said they have
> done them in the past 
> and lost money, wasted time, and angered
> customers in the process. 
> 
> John
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  ,
> "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > 
> > I suggest that you send the holders, with the
> old crystals, to 
> International
> > Crystal or to any competent crystal house.
> Simply instruct ICM to 
> change
> > the TX and RX from the existing frequencies
> to the desired new 
> frequencies.
> > It'll cost you about $100 for the pair, but
> you'll wind up with 
> crystals
> > that are guaranteed to work on the new
> channels.
> > 
> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  
> > [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> On Behalf Of John D.
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:28 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] EF Johnson CR1010
> Crystal Replacement
> > 
> > I have a CR1010 repeater that needs to have
> new crystals installed 
> to 
> > change the frequency from 451.200 to 451.250
> on the TX and 456.200 
> to 
> > 456.250 on the Rx. I tried to get crystals
> from EF Johnson and they 
> > said they no longer support this repeater. I
> then tried to get 
> > crystals from International Crystal and they
> said there were two 
> types 
> > of holders new and old. They said that if I
> had the new type I 
> would 
> > be unable to get crystals for them or they
> would never work. It 
> just 
> > so happens this repeater has the new crystals
> so does anybody know 
> > where I can get a set of old crystal holders
> so I can change the 
> freq. 
> > on this repeater? Also does anybody have any
> other good ideas on 
> how I 
> > can proceed with this unit.
> > 
> > Thanks
> >
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Micor UHF repeater manual

[Paul Finch]

Matt and Group,

I will be taking a bunch of Motorola manuals to Dayton, if you are there
look me up.  Besides the manuals I will have several Micor base stations,
the 100 watt variety as well as test bench equipment like Motorola test
panels, cables and things like that.  I do not know my slot numbers but will
let everyone know when I find out.

Will also have a few GE Mastr II desktop base stations that are great for
low power backyard repeater service.

Contact me directly if interested and I will keep you informed.

Moderators, if this is a No no let me know.

Thanks,
Paul
WB5IDM


 

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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Micor UHF repeater manual

If you guys had some common sense and try searching for the products 
you need, you would'nt have to wait for someone elses answer.
Further the more, you can do exactly what your asking someone else to 
do. 
.
.
http://www.wiscomm.com/manuals.htm
http://idenphones.motorola.com/iden/support/support_product_manuals_ma
in.jsp
.
.
.

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> I'm looking for any manuals pertaining to the Micor UHF repeaters.  
My 
> specific model # is B84RCB-3106AT.  Motorola parts says all manuals 
> are NLA...not sure I believe them but thought I'd see if anyone has 
> any available also.
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Removing Scotchkote - from the manufacturer

[Paul Finch]

Tom Manning and Group,

Sorry about that, I just saw your request for the dimensions on the DB 220
MHz antenna I have.  Sometimes the Yahoo group messages get lost in the
cyber bit bucket, sometimes I get the messages but several days late.  If
you can't get that info from Doug let me know and I will measure my antenna
and post it here.

Paul
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:07 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Tom Manning
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Removing Scotchkote - from the manufacturer

To all who may be interested in DB antenna dipole dimensiomsion  I have
info/ dimsions on all vhf, 220 and uhf band dipoles.Email me off list
at  "de_n3dab at tds dot net "and I will forward the info to you. 
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709

 Tom Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
Hello Paul
Would you do us a favor by making very careful measurements on the 
antenna and putting the info on the Repeater-Builder group.  Several of us 
would like to modify commercial DB-224 antennas to cover 220Mhz.  Skip May 
and I have attempted to get this done before and have not been successful. 
Thanks greatly.  73 de Tom Manning, AF4UG
- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Removing Scotchkote - from the manufacturer


> Told us what we already knew!  I just got an older 220 MHz DB antenna,
> before it goes up I will disassemble it and tighten all screws, nuts and
> terminals, reassemble it and goop with Scotchkoat before going up the 
> tower.
> I have 8 antennas of my own on my tower and as of December of this year 
> have
> been up there for 10 years with no problems.
>
> Also, I may add, the tower will be paid off in two months!  There will be 
> a
> celebration!
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob M.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:48 AM
> To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Removing Scotchkote - from the manufacturer
>
> I sent the following request to 3M:
>
> "What's the proper solvent for removing uncured
> Scotchkote electrical coating? What can be used to
> remove cured material from wires or other surfaces?"
>
> Their reply is below. Hey, it's better than nothing.
>
> "Thank you for contacting 3M. We don't make solvents
> to remove Scotchkote and any solvent that is used
> could damage whatever the Scotchkote is spilled on.
> For uncured Scotchkote, you might use MEK or Acetone.
> These solvents are in the uncured Scotchkote so might
> help to remove it. If it has cured, there isn't any
> product that we could suggest.
>
> Best Regards.
> 3M Electrical Markets Division
> Technical Support
> www.3m.com/electrical
>
> All statements, technical information, and
> recommendations related to 3M's products are based on
> information believed to be reliable, but the accuracy
> or completeness is not guaranteed. Before using this
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> risks and liability associated with such use. Any
> statements related to the product which are not
> contained in 3M's current publications, or any
> contrary statements contained on your purchase order
> shall have no force or effect unless expressly agreed
> upon, in writing, by an authorized officer of 3M."
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Removing Scotchkote - from the manufacturer

[Paul Finch]

Told us what we already knew!  I just got an older 220 MHz DB antenna,
before it goes up I will disassemble it and tighten all screws, nuts and
terminals, reassemble it and goop with Scotchkoat before going up the tower.
I have 8 antennas of my own on my tower and as of December of this year have
been up there for 10 years with no problems.  

Also, I may add, the tower will be paid off in two months!  There will be a
celebration!

Paul

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob M.
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:48 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Removing Scotchkote - from the manufacturer

I sent the following request to 3M:

"What's the proper solvent for removing uncured
Scotchkote electrical coating? What can be used to
remove cured material from wires or other surfaces?"

Their reply is below. Hey, it's better than nothing.

"Thank you for contacting 3M. We don't make solvents
to remove Scotchkote and any solvent that is used
could damage whatever the Scotchkote is spilled on.
For uncured Scotchkote, you might use MEK or Acetone. 
These solvents are in the uncured Scotchkote so might
help to remove it. If it has cured, there isn't any
product that we could suggest.

Best Regards.
3M Electrical Markets Division
Technical Support
www.3m.com/electrical

All statements, technical information, and
recommendations related to 3M's products are based on
information believed to be reliable, but the accuracy
or completeness is not guaranteed. Before using this
product, you must evaluate it and determine if it is
suitable for your intended application. You assume all
risks and liability associated with such use. Any
statements related to the product which are not
contained in 3M's current publications, or any
contrary statements contained on your purchase order
shall have no force or effect unless expressly agreed
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

Skipp,

MEK will soften it, the problem is it dries to fast and you're right back to
square one.

Paul


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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:27 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat


You guys ever figure out and actually test a solvent that works 
on Scotchkoat?   I've never found a solvent that did a good job... 
especially after it (the Scotchkoat aka scotchcoat) had a chance 
to dry. 

curious minds want to know... 

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> mekp is the hardner in many body fillers.(peroxide)
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

Joel,

 

Here is something else.  This is not on topic except for the fact that the
product we are talking about uses this as it’s main solvent and we use this
stuff to seal antennas.  If it’s dangerous everybody needs to know it.

 

Moderators, if it’s too far off topic lets us know please.  

 

Reference: HYPERLINK
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_ethyl_ketone"http://en.wikipedia.org/wi
ki/Methyl_ethyl_ketone 

 

Paul

 

 

Butanone is a manufactured HYPERLINK
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colorless liquid with a sharp, sweet odor. It is a HYPERLINK
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone"ketone, also known as methyl ethyl
ketone (MEK).

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butanone alone. However, if butanone is breathed along with other chemicals
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There are no long-term studies with animals either breathing or drinking
butanone.

 

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of v44kai
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

 

Hi Tim,

What is MEK, I do not know that product, or what it stands for (MEK) but
your experience is very interesting and encouraging.

 

v44kai.Joel.

- Original Message - 

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Tim and Janet 

To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:25 AM

Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

 

Please believe and listen to these warnings.  

 

Several years ago I decided to go back to the gym and get back into shape.
I went to the doctor for a physical which included a blood test.  As part of
t

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

Joel,

 

It’s name is Methyl Ethel Ketone or MEK for short.  It is what makes some
glues dry fast and it’s also what kids get high on when the sniff glue.
Most spray paint cans have it to help the paint dry faster.  It is dangerous
stuff.

 

Paul

 

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of v44kai
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

 

Hi Tim,

What is MEK, I do not know that product, or what it stands for (MEK) but
your experience is very interesting and encouraging.

 

v44kai.Joel.

- Original Message - 

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Tim and Janet 

To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:25 AM

Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Scotchkoat

 

Please believe and listen to these warnings.  

 

Several years ago I decided to go back to the gym and get back into shape.
I went to the doctor for a physical which included a blood test.  As part of
the test they look at two liver enzymes.  One of mine was high just outside
the normal range.  The doctor said to come back in a month to retest.  The
next month the first enzyme went higher and the other one went off the
scale.  I had a liver ultrasound which came back normal.  He then ordered a
liver Biopsy.  Not a pleasant experience!!!  The biopsy came back almost
normal other than signs of age and a body that had been neglected.  Each
blood test after this my enzymes started coming back into range.  

 

When I (we) tried to figure out what had happened the only thing that we
could link it to was MEK.  I had just finished building a small experimental
airplane that is made up of aluminum tubing and fabric.  All of the aluminum
was cleaned with MEK and the glue contained MEK and was thinned with
additional MEK.  All of this work was done with large opening doors and most
of the time had a fan running.  Most of the time I did not use gloves.

 

The facility I work in has MEK banned.  Not due to my experience but because
of environmental concerns.  MEK is great stuff like a lot of other chemicals
that we take for granted.  Please use them in accordance with all warnings.
By the way MEK is still available by the gallon at Home Depot and Lowes
locally.  I now ventilate the room wear gloves and a respirator when using
this product.

 

I apologize for the long email but wanted to warn those that may expose
themselves to chemicals.

 

Tim KB2MFS 

 

 

 

 

>
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> [mailto:HYPERLINK
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:40 AM
> To: HYPERLINK
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>
> Take it seriously when they say something has been
> proved to cause cancer. I have a buddy who lost his
> leg to cancer and they traced it back to a solvent he
> used as a jet engine mechanic in the Air Force. He
> managed to live through it, but minus a leg. They
> proved beyond a doubt that it was the solvent that
> caused the cancer. Sorry I don't remember just which
> solvent it was -
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> 73 - Jim W5ZIT

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More than likely the solvent in question was carbontetrachloride-. That's
what was used prior to my AF time (starting in 1981), when we used PD-680.
We also had trichlorethaline and MEK. 

Regardless of the solvent in question, if you like your liver (and other
various parts), you'll wear the appropriate protective gear, avoid the fumes
and use it properly. 

Nasty, nasty stuff. all of them.

de WM4B

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Compa-Station Mods

[Paul Finch]

Seriously, I guess.  If anyone does want the old tube type monster let me
know and I will get you in touch with the guy, he owns a scrap yard.  He
will be stripping everything out of it for scrap, might have already
happened but if you want it we can try.

Paul


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Speaking of Motorola Compa-Stations, I ran across an old "A" strip (tube
type) Low Band 47 MHz Compa-Station today, it's for sale if anyone is
interested.  I bet you could by it for 25 bucks!  

Paul


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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:53 PM
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Compa-Station Mods

I have a read over the mods in;
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/stationmod.html
and also;
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micor-index.html#ANY-Station
Have had done;
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/stationcontrol.html

This is a UHF machine on 444.600/449.600.  I will be using a Arcom
RC210, but want to be able to use the stock controller on the station
in a crunch. I will also be using the stock pl boards on the station.

What other mods need to be done taking in consideration for using the
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ultimately have limited access to this machine when in place.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Compa-Station Mods

[Paul Finch]

Speaking of Motorola Compa-Stations, I ran across an old "A" strip (tube
type) Low Band 47 MHz Compa-Station today, it's for sale if anyone is
interested.  I bet you could by it for 25 bucks!  

Paul


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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Compa-Station Mods

I have a read over the mods in;
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/stationmod.html
and also;
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micor-index.html#ANY-Station
Have had done;
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/stationcontrol.html

This is a UHF machine on 444.600/449.600.  I will be using a Arcom
RC210, but want to be able to use the stock controller on the station
in a crunch. I will also be using the stock pl boards on the station.

What other mods need to be done taking in consideration for using the
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

Jim,

One thing, same thing about Radon gas.  What happened to that, it was
supposed to kill thousands.  Someone made a killing off the test kits.
Again duped by the news media.  

Some people get cancer from breathing.

Paul


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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

Take it seriously when they say something has been
proved to cause cancer.  I have a buddy who lost his
leg to cancer and they traced it back to a solvent he
used as a jet engine mechanic in the Air Force.  He
managed to live through it, but minus a leg.  They
proved beyond a doubt that it was the solvent that
caused the cancer.  Sorry I don't remember just which
solvent it was - 

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

--- Paul Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's why you DON'T get it on your skin any longer.
>  Have to tell you
> though, when I was growing up I raced slot cars and
> we had some sticky stuff
> we put on the tires to make them hold better on the
> track.  The only thing
> we could find to clean the tires was MEK, I used to
> buy it by the gallon and
> I don’t have any problems, except the strange facial
> tic.  
> ((GRIN) that means not really)
> 
> Paul
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> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Paul Finch wrote:
> > Unless it has something like lacquer thinner in it
> there is not a 
> > chance of it working.  On upholstery I don’t know.
>  It depends on what 
> > it is, if it’s plastic based I would be very
> careful.  If it’s a cloth 
> > material I would try the lacquer thinner then the
> MEK.  MEK also dries 
> > very fast.  Needless to say, try it on a hidden
> piece if upholstery 
> > first.
> 
> Isn't MEK carcinogenic in 52 states and France?
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

That's why you DON'T get it on your skin any longer.  Have to tell you
though, when I was growing up I raced slot cars and we had some sticky stuff
we put on the tires to make them hold better on the track.  The only thing
we could find to clean the tires was MEK, I used to buy it by the gallon and
I don’t have any problems, except the strange facial tic.  
((GRIN) that means not really)

Paul

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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Paul Finch wrote:
> Unless it has something like lacquer thinner in it there is not a 
> chance of it working.  On upholstery I don’t know.  It depends on what 
> it is, if it’s plastic based I would be very careful.  If it’s a cloth 
> material I would try the lacquer thinner then the MEK.  MEK also dries 
> very fast.  Needless to say, try it on a hidden piece if upholstery 
> first.

Isn't MEK carcinogenic in 52 states and France?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

MEK will dissolve after sitting in it but it dries so fast it’s hard to keep
wet and besides it’s supposed to be a carcinogen.

 

Been there done that with the goo in the bottom of a bag, you learn real
fast to clean the threads of the can and cap before putting the cap back on.
If there is dried goo on the threads and the can gets turned over in your
bag it softens the hard goo and it just flows out over time.  I always clean
any goo off of the threads with MEK before I put the lid back on, it then
seals OK in any position.  

 

It’s a lot of fun on a dry windy day, makes great looking brown spider webs.

 

Paul

 

 

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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:40 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

 

Any one know of any solvents that can be used to remove it?? I have some on
some tools and a spot on my car upholstery (I know, I know) 

I have little spots of that wonderful product on many things, the tops of my
tower boots, a few tools, etc.  One Klein canvas tower bag had bottle of it
spill in the bottom making a wonderful collection of spare nuts and washers
into a mass of goo.  I suspect that any chemical strong enough to soften the
product, will quite likely also dissolve or destroy the upholstery.  I’ve
not looked at the MSDS sheets for it, but the will likely be your best
source for which type of solvent will work the best with it.

Great stuff, wear gloves.

 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

Unless it has something like lacquer thinner in it there is not a chance of
it working.  On upholstery I don’t know.  It depends on what it is, if it’s
plastic based I would be very careful.  If it’s a cloth material I would try
the lacquer thinner then the MEK.  MEK also dries very fast.  Needless to
say, try it on a hidden piece if upholstery first.

 

Paul

 

 

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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:22 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

 

Try some citrus based solvent.

Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Use Scotchkoat from 3M to seal the antennas but don’t get it on you, it
sticks to you as well as it does the antennas.

 

Any one know of any solvents that can be used to remove it?? I have some on
some tools and a spot on my car upholstery (I know, I know) 

 

Scott

 

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Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
612 Barnett Road
Boswell, PA 15531

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To: HYPERLINK
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Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:46 PM

Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

 

Hello All,

 

>From what I have seen the quality is the same but I have been preaching on
this board and others you can’t install a DB antenna without sealing every
screw, bolt, plastic knot, connector and anything else that could leak
water.  Besides that you must take all connections to the harness and
tighten all screws before you seal it.  Once you do that the antenna may
possibly outlive most people on this board.  I have a DB-410 in downtown
Fort Worth that I installed in 1976 and it still has flat SWR.

 

Use Scotchkoat from 3M to seal the antennas but don’t get it on you, it
sticks to you as well as it does the antennas.

 

Paul

 

 


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Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

 

YES!

Recently replaced a new DB-224 that had wicked water in the molded harness
section and ended up inside the connector. Upon receiving a replacement
antenna, we sealed the heck out of the harness with vapor wrap before
installation. This one seems to be holding up for now, for now knock on
wood. The local PD did not like a water logged antenna! 

 

What happened to DB's quality? Upon inspection of the old one, it seems as
though the "glue" that was suppose to be keeping the water out was not only
sparsely applied but was also very brittle. Any movement of the harness
would crack the glue resulting in a potential place for water to enter the
harness.

 

Steve / K6SCA



kc4wdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We have installed several new db-224 recently. This particular antenna 
was inverted and has been in service less than 6 months.

While doing a routine test, I noticed the ref. power was a little 
high. The longer the TX was up, the lower the ref. power got; which 
typically indicates water in a connector or cable.

We found water in the connector at the center of the antenna. It DID 
NOT come through/around the weather seal!

The harness was carefully disassembled. Water (and corrosion) was 
found in the molded junction above the center connection.

Has anyone seen this before? Has the quality slipped that much on 
the new db-224's?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

 

  


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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

[Paul Finch]

Chuck,

The best thing to thin it with is MEK (Methyl Ethel Keytone).  You can take
a can that's almost dried up and restore it to a useable substance.  Acetone
will clean it off your hands somewhat but dries almost to fast.  I found
that lacquer thinner works a little better because it does not dry as fast
but most people don't keep either of those items on their truck.

Paul


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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

Seems like I remember acetone works. Try it on something unimportant first.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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>From: Scott Zimmerman[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 1/7/2008 12:05:05 PM
To  : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Cc  : 
Subject : RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat

 Use Scotchkoat from 3M to seal the antennas but don’t get it on you, it
sticks to you as well as 
it does the antennas.



Any one know of any solvents that can be used to remove it?? I have some on
some tools and a spot 
on my car upholstery (I know, I know) 



Scott



Scott Zimmerman 
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
612 Barnett Road
Boswell, PA 15531

  - Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Finch 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:46 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing
harness???


  Hello All,

   

  From what I have seen the quality is the same but I have been preaching on
this board and others 
you can’t install a DB antenna without sealing every screw, bolt, plastic
knot, connector and 
anything else that could leak water.  Besides that you must take all
connections to the harness 
and tighten all screws before you seal it.  Once you do that the antenna may
possibly outlive most 
people on this board.  I have a DB-410 in downtown Fort Worth that I
installed in 1976 and it 
still has flat SWR.

   

  Use Scotchkoat from 3M to seal the antennas but don’t get it on you, it
sticks to you as well as 
it does the antennas.

   

  Paul

   

   



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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of 
Steve Allred
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:40 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing
harness???

   

  YES!

  Recently replaced a new DB-224 that had wicked water in the molded harness
section and ended up 
inside the connector. Upon receiving a replacement antenna, we sealed the
heck out of the harness 
with vapor wrap before installation. This one seems to be holding up for
now, for now knock on 
wood. The local PD did not like a water logged antenna! 

   

  What happened to DB's quality? Upon inspection of the old one, it seems as
though the "glue" 
that was suppose to be keeping the water out was not only sparsely applied
but was also very 
brittle. Any movement of the harness would crack the glue resulting in a
potential place for water 
to enter the harness.

   

  Steve / K6SCA



  kc4wdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We have installed several new db-224 recently. This particular antenna 
was inverted and has been in service less than 6 months.

While doing a routine test, I noticed the ref. power was a little 
high. The longer the TX was up, the lower the ref. power got; which 
typically indicates water in a connector or cable.

We found water in the connector at the center of the antenna. It DID 
NOT come through/around the weather seal!

The harness was carefully disassembled. Water (and corrosion) was 
found in the molded junction above the center connection.

Has anyone seen this before? Has the quality slipped that much on 
the new db-224's?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

   





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

[Paul Finch]

By the way, you still must seal the connectors with a good tape like Scotch
33 first, then coat at least two coats with Scotchkoat.  Sorry for the 2nd
email, just wanted to clarify.

 

Paul

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:46 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

 

Hello All,

 

>From what I have seen the quality is the same but I have been preaching on
this board and others you can’t install a DB antenna without sealing every
screw, bolt, plastic knot, connector and anything else that could leak
water.  Besides that you must take all connections to the harness and
tighten all screws before you seal it.  Once you do that the antenna may
possibly outlive most people on this board.  I have a DB-410 in downtown
Fort Worth that I installed in 1976 and it still has flat SWR.

 

Use Scotchkoat from 3M to seal the antennas but don’t get it on you, it
sticks to you as well as it does the antennas.

 

Paul

 

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Allred
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:40 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

 

YES!

Recently replaced a new DB-224 that had wicked water in the molded harness
section and ended up inside the connector. Upon receiving a replacement
antenna, we sealed the heck out of the harness with vapor wrap before
installation. This one seems to be holding up for now, for now knock on
wood. The local PD did not like a water logged antenna! 

 

What happened to DB's quality? Upon inspection of the old one, it seems as
though the "glue" that was suppose to be keeping the water out was not only
sparsely applied but was also very brittle. Any movement of the harness
would crack the glue resulting in a potential place for water to enter the
harness.

 

Steve / K6SCA



kc4wdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We have installed several new db-224 recently. This particular antenna 
was inverted and has been in service less than 6 months.

While doing a routine test, I noticed the ref. power was a little 
high. The longer the TX was up, the lower the ref. power got; which 
typically indicates water in a connector or cable.

We found water in the connector at the center of the antenna. It DID 
NOT come through/around the weather seal!

The harness was carefully disassembled. Water (and corrosion) was 
found in the molded junction above the center connection.

Has anyone seen this before? Has the quality slipped that much on 
the new db-224's?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

 

  

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

[Paul Finch]

Hello All,

 

>From what I have seen the quality is the same but I have been preaching on
this board and others you can’t install a DB antenna without sealing every
screw, bolt, plastic knot, connector and anything else that could leak
water.  Besides that you must take all connections to the harness and
tighten all screws before you seal it.  Once you do that the antenna may
possibly outlive most people on this board.  I have a DB-410 in downtown
Fort Worth that I installed in 1976 and it still has flat SWR.

 

Use Scotchkoat from 3M to seal the antennas but don’t get it on you, it
sticks to you as well as it does the antennas.

 

Paul

 

 

   _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Allred
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:40 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New DB-224 w/water cooled phasing harness???

 

YES!

Recently replaced a new DB-224 that had wicked water in the molded harness
section and ended up inside the connector. Upon receiving a replacement
antenna, we sealed the heck out of the harness with vapor wrap before
installation. This one seems to be holding up for now, for now knock on
wood. The local PD did not like a water logged antenna! 

 

What happened to DB's quality? Upon inspection of the old one, it seems as
though the "glue" that was suppose to be keeping the water out was not only
sparsely applied but was also very brittle. Any movement of the harness
would crack the glue resulting in a potential place for water to enter the
harness.

 

Steve / K6SCA



kc4wdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We have installed several new db-224 recently. This particular antenna 
was inverted and has been in service less than 6 months.

While doing a routine test, I noticed the ref. power was a little 
high. The longer the TX was up, the lower the ref. power got; which 
typically indicates water in a connector or cable.

We found water in the connector at the center of the antenna. It DID 
NOT come through/around the weather seal!

The harness was carefully disassembled. Water (and corrosion) was 
found in the molded junction above the center connection.

Has anyone seen this before? Has the quality slipped that much on 
the new db-224's?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

 

  

   _  

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"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/ca
tegory.php?category=shopping"Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  


HYPERLINK
"http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-238/1?aid=10356774&pid=2316294";
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