[Repeater-Builder] RE: Free for the shipping
Bill, I play a lot with the FMU 250K's. Would like to get a hold of them if no one has spoken up. Thanks, Ralph W4XE Ralph Hogan 2508 Quail Ridge Lane Huntsville, AL. 35803 -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bil.isom Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:22 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Free for the shipping I don't know if there is any interest, but I have several operational Uniden FMU 250K UHF mobiles that are free to anyone who would like them. USPS is about $11 for the med flat rate box. If you let me know before 5 PM Thursday, I can bring a few to Dayton. Reply direct, please Thanks, Bill N4XIR Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts
In the link to the unit he bought off ebay, in the photo the GE Mastr II was the IDA equipped version. Doesn't have a card rack to plug the PSE into. Of course you could wire it in, but not as convenient as having the original style card rack where you just plug it in. Ralph W4XE --- Duplexer? Nope, didn't say anything about a duplexer. You mentioned using the PSE508-2 controller (which does one tone), and I suggested using the -3 version instead to get the 4 tones.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Has anyone measured out-of-band rejection for a duplexer?
Tony, Our club ran some wideband plots years ago with a spectrum analyzer and tracking generator on a VHF db-4001 BP cavity and a VHF WP-641 BPBR duplexer. We were getting killed by the site's local TV station transmitter. Very discouraging results if you expect a BPBR duplexer to provide rejection beyond the tuned target frequencies. The band-pass db-4001 had a repeating pattern up the spectrum letting in several pass peaks, so you have to be careful there as well. I have a PDF of the test results if anyone is interested. We've had success adding extra BP cavities and a DCI filter on the receiver for high RF ambient sites. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony KT9AC Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:36 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Has anyone measured out-of-band rejection for a duplexer? Hi Everyone, Without the benefit of a spectrum analyzer, I would like to find out how much rejection of out-of-band signals can be expected from a typical UHF duplexer. Have a MSF5000 on 452 that works fine with the T4084 duplexers (1500 style), but have a lot of VHF data and FM broadcast hash that is trying to make it in (the 45kW FM is about 400 yards away and the VHF data is almost 1/3 harmonic). Looking at the documentation, I can guess its about 20db per cavity (or can), but the graphs don't extend very far. So for a regular four-can duplexer I might be providing 40db of protection. I want to increase this, and plan on adding one or two more cans on the receive side, and a Sinclair preselector in-between the latter two to make up for the increased insertion loss. Just wondering if anyone ever tried/measured this, or had ideas about filtering out FM broadcast. Eric mentioned using a single 7" Sinclair cavity, but I'd like to see if I can use some spare 1500 bandpass/reject cavities first. I don't think a 1/4-wave stub will work with that much field strength prying open the MSF's front-end. Thanks, Tony Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Suitcase Repeater data need
The original M suitcase repeaters were MX based. The original standard MX was crystal controlled. Later MX-S radios were synthesized via a internal prom/eeprom. Specialized gear to reprogram those, but a few comm shops out there on the web that can do them. For the crystal UHF MX it works off one crystal for the frequency and another is the offset split. In the HT version there usually was a 5 MHz offset and a simplex offset crystal. All three are housed in 'channel elements'. If you are careful you can replace the crystal yourself. In the repeater there will be two MX's radios, one only populated with modules for the receiver and the other for the transmitter. So you'll have two xtals to get. I don't have a manual in front of me, but be warned that the 'modules' which make up the receiver and transmitter were range dependent. Usually the radio will work if you bring it down to the ham band, but it might not meet specs with the wrong modules installed. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George C Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 1:17 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Suitcase Repeater data need Hi everyone. I have a Motorola Suitcase P44SYS1180BT. Looks like it was modified to -3180 (PL), clean mod. Can anyone confirm that this is based on a pair of MX320-S radios? I haven't had time to do more than a checkout and visual. No duplexer, it was originally setup on an impossible split for mobile duplexers (1.5 MHz). Battery never installed. Second thing I need to confirm. I have heard two versions of battery info. One is 8 Volt, one is 12 Volt. 12 makes more sense to me, but don't want to experiment. Lastly, I have the 450 MX pdf manual from the site here, but need original manual or a scan. I'm not even going to call /\/\ about it, I'm sure it isn't available. According to a posting on Batboard the manuals are: # 68-81021C90-A # 68-81021C95-O Next I'll need to reprogram, that's for another day. Its in ham band and works fine for now... GeorgeC W2DB Austin, TX Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Quintron Glenayre PM250C RF Power Monitor Panel w/Alarm
I picked up a used Quintron PM250C/100C 500W FWD/50W ref rack mount power meter. Has the additional FWD/REF alarm circuitry. The RF Power sensor is a common PM2 Telewave. I'd bet the whole thing was made by Telewave for Quintron. I tested the RF meter portion and that works fine. I'd like to figure out the hookup of the 10 pin terminal strip on the back to use the alarm function as an input to my repeater controller. It requires an external voltage to power up a couple of 78xx VRegs to run an opamp and a few TTL gates plus two alarm relays. Does anyone have a manual to save me some time before I reverse engineering the alarm panel? Thanks, Ralph W4XE
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system
Having the DC fan get into the audio is a common problem for DC fans. It can be eliminated with filtering but usually an easy fix is to run the fan from another DC source, like a wall wort. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dakota Summerhawk Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:02 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system Morning, I have a couple of M-10 radios run together with a 12VDC fan keeping them cool in the cabinet. However the power block has them all run into the same line fed by the power supply. You can hear the noise of the fan when you key the repeater. Would a filter help this on the positive line of the fan? Or maybe a coil to filter the noise? I am at a loss as to what might keep the system cool but also eliminate the noise of the fan as well. Thanks for the help in advance. Peter Summerhawk Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cable velocity
If you have access to an MFJ antenna anal like the 259 series, in the manual it shows you how to determine the VF with it given a known length of cable to test. Don't know how accurate the measurement will be, but should get you close. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:17 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Cable velocity I have been searching for the velocity factor for E86650 cable. This was the stamp on the cable. I think it is simular to RG-59 but want to make sure. I need to build a phasing harness and wanted to use this cable and of course the velocity factor is an important in determining the length. Thanks for any help Mike Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
Thanks, we will definitely go back and look at the mod comp. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation The original factory design specification for the MSF5000 PL deviation is 800 Hz. That is just slightly greater than the 750 Hz. mid point in the acceptable range of 500 Hz to 1000 Hz as given in TIA-603. One issue that can cause the PL level to be incorrect is failure to properly perform the modulation compensation alignment. This often gets overlooked and is required when moving the station to a considerably different frequency than the one it was operating on when the initial alignment was performed. -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Hogan" wrote: "... Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. ... Have noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high at about 900 Hz. ..." Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
Guys, Thanks for the comments. Hopefully I'll get some more time to work with it over the holiday and get it up on site. A friend has another MSF-5000 with the same high 900 Hz PL deviation, he's going to look at a resistor change or pot addition experiment. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M. Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:03 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation As others have said, the PL/DPL deviation is NOT separately adjustable. It's a fixed percentage of the total deviation. It is very clean however, so even though it might measure rather high, it'll be quite inaudible. You'd have to add a resistor somewhere to lower just the PL level. Make sure you measure and set the deviation with the PL turned on. Your total deviation should be set for 4.5 to 5.0 kHz; it will be less without PL. I haven't seen a spec on the PL/DPL deviation in any MSF manual either. Bob M.
[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
Gang, New to MSF-5000's. Great piece of hardware. But more used to working with GE Mastr II's. Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. Have experimented with both the on-board controller stand alone as well as off board CAT. Several ee-pots to adjust in the software setting output audio levels, but none specific to just PL encode level. We got it adjusted for 5 KHz output deviation, but noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high at about 900 Hz. I usually like to see around 600 to 750 Hz. I couldn't find in the manuals anywhere what Moto spec'd PL deviation at for the MSF-5000. Looks like the PL level is a fixed percentage without an independent output level adjust. Probably something we are doing wrong in setting levels, but wanted to get some feedback from the group. Thanks in advance! Ralph W4XE
RE: [Repeater-Builder] More about using the Motorola RICK
For my basic RICK, I used a BASIC STAMP to CWID and give courtesy tone beep. It is very small and all fits into the RICK box. I've heard of others using the com spec ID-8. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More about using the Motorola RICK > The RICK has no IDer function so it's not that > useful in ham radio applications. Talking about the basic rick... If you must have the ID'er function... an ID O'matic in kit form via Ebay does the trick pretty darn well. As you progress up through the rick model numbers you run into other similar rick style products that have the ID'er, Multi-CTCSS/DCS capacity and telephone interconnect (auto- patch). Basic RICK Unit Motorola i20 aka I20 aka i20r rick Motorola i50 aka I50 aka i50r rick Made by Zetron Motorola ZR series of rick units (at least 2 that I know about). Some are setup with jumpers and some of the more serious versions programmed with software. The above doesn't even talk about or consider and not related to the the CPI and MARTI interconnects (a lesson in punch the clown face frustration). So now you have enough information to really confuse yourself. cheers, s. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] cos for delta radios
Wayne, A few questions to to ask first. Have you programmed up the radios yet or are you testing before reprogramming? Advise to test on commercial freq before programming to ham. Which model of Delta is this: the Delta-S or Delta-SX synthesized model? Do you have speaker audio wired up and working? Did you add a squelch pot if one isn't already installed in the radio? There are a number of sites showing how to hook up the radio without a control head. Are you using one of those websites as a guide? Most are slanted towards packet use which is slightly different than voice use (like the addition of a sql pot). You have to make sure you have all the power and grounds hooked up to the proper pins. Did you get the transmitter to work, audio & PTT? It's always easier to test it out initially with a head to start with. I'd highly recommend you try to find one somewhere, perhaps ebay if you can. There is another repeater group here in town, they run an RC-210 with two deltas, so your goal will work. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wayne.mclean Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] cos for delta radios I have a RC 210 controller and want to hook up two delta radios but I'm having a hard time finding the cos control pin. The schematic shows it is pin 12 but checking with the osilloscope there is little or no voltage change, is there something else I'm not changing to make this work. I have no control heads I'm just doing this from the radios themselves. Any help would be very much appreciated Thanks Wayne VE3WWM Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables
While we are on the subject of the DB4060/62, I've got a couple of dead cans with a bad tuning cap. Does anyone have a source I can call to buy some of the Johanson 5602 tuning caps? Some of the Johanson distributors don't stock it and require a big min order. I've looked at Nebraska Surplus and they have some that might work, but I'd like to find the exact replacement if possible. Thanks, Ralph W4XE
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Emergency Power
What power output level is the repeater station? The usual 110W? The 110W amp doesn't play well at lower power outputs. It tends to spur and the efficiency isn't great. I'd first thought about putting a relay in the PA to twiddle with the main power output pot setting. I DO NOT like modifying the stock gear so that idea was immediately thrown out. I thought about using a couple of small relays to insert a 50 ohm attenuator in-line with the exciter to PA connection to reduce drive level which would reduce output level. The relays could be run off a wall-wort for the power fail switch over. This was somewhat attractive with the RCA connectors from the exciter to PA input. They are readily accessible and the scheme is reversible to stock. Before anyone screams, I realize both of those solutions would lead to the problem stated above. You could use two antenna relays to bypass the PA altogether and run 250 mW barefoot with the exciter. Would be very low output, but would last a very long time on batteries. For slightly higher power with the two relays you could insert a much smaller output rated PA (perhaps a GE M II 40W PA idled down) after the exciter. You probably want make sure you don't switch out a PA to no load while it's outputting power. Perhaps wait until a PTT off time frame. Any decent controller with a macro could accomplish that. As a side note, we removed our continuous duty 110W PA for servicing one time and substituted a 40W intermittent PA idled down to 20W. I don't think anyone on the repeater even noticed. Another option would be to utilize a secondary lower power transmitter (GE Phoenix?). Switch out the GE M II tx audio/ptt from the controller to the alternate TX and use one antenna relay to switch the RF over at the duplexer. Again taking care not to remove a 50 ohm load from an active transmitter. These may not be optimal, but I'd also like to hear of other suggestions. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of drwoolweaver Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:17 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Emergency Power Does anyone have a circuit to the reduce the power output of a VHF GE MASTR II repeater station when primary power is lost? I searched the messages and found some comments, but no circuit. Recommendations? David
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II station cards.
These two cards plus the 10VDC regulator card are all that are needed to make a GE Mastr II station into a repeater. They plug into the card rack above the RF fold down deck. The repeater audio card processes the receiver audio (de-emphasis) and mutes on no signal. It looks like there is some sort of decoder plugged into it. Perhaps someone else can ID that part of it. There is normally an optional PL High pass filter that plugs into it to strip user sub-audible PL tones. The repeater control card keys the transmitter upon reception of a rx signal and does a hang timer. The enable/disable switch turns the repeat function on and off. However the control card has no CWID provision. Did the front of that say MARC V, it is hard to read? That would make it a piece of their early 800 trunk system. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NORM KNAPP Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:06 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II station cards. Can someone tell me what these cards are for? TNX es 73 N5NPO Norman Knapp Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] mastr II repeater tone (CG) board.
Norm , I checked the 10VDC regulator card manual tonight. The jumper I was remembering on that card was only for the encode side of pl. Basically selecting the delayed PTT option for reverse burst. If you don't have a GE PL encode deck you won't have to worry about that. LBI-30704 covers the 10 VDC regulator card. Don's right I'd forgotten about the H41-H42 and H68-69 option jumpers on the system board. They definitely are for the decode side. LBI-31899 describes them. Norm I can send you some pages out of the digital channel guard deck manual if you need them. There are some options on it for encode or decode or half duplex for both. Ralph W4XE From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of de W5DK Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:14 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] mastr II repeater tone (CG) board. Norman, Ralph's info is on but the only jumpers to worry about will be on the system board, not on the 10 volt card I'm pretty sure. There's one just to the right of where you plugged the long decoder in that has be cut open. Once working you will notice the speaker audio will go away without a valid encoded signal. Ignore the controller till you get the speaker activating with/without tone. Depending on where your controller COS is wired into the station, the new decoder still may not control/effect the repeater controller. The controller will need to be connected to the RUS circuit, not the CAS circuit. Sorry, did a quick search and couldn't find an LBI to guide you too. My book are at home. 73 Don W5DK From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:36 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mastr II repeater tone (CG) board. Norm, There are some jumpers on the 10VDC regulator card that need to be set for CSQ or PL (Channel guard) mode. I disremember the settings, but they are in the manual and documented elsewhere on the web. There should be an lbi document on the repeater-builders website for the PL board to describe the jumpers. Also one for the 10 VDC card. Note, the stock GE PL deck will only encode or decode, but not full duplex both. In the M II station, the PL board next to the receiver mounted on the system board is usually for decode only. There is an open space next to the exciter for an encode only pl deck. You may not have that installed. They are a little harder to get ahold of. Another recent thread discussed the Comspec TS64M2 ? that is designed to drop into a GE in place of the regular PL deck. It does both encode and decode. You'll just have to run the encode audio over to the exciter connector. Otherwise you can mount an SS-32 or equivalent pl encoder in the exciter section for encode capabilities. Ralph W4XE -- Original message -- From: "NORM KNAPP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > HELP! > I got a MASTR II repeater... Works great, except I want to add a tone board. > I have a programmable (dip switch) factory board that installs on the system > board. I plugged it in and it made no difference. I looked in the manual and it > says "for moble, clip jumpers X, Y, and Z. For station installation, see sation > manual." I have what I thought was a station manual, but I got no instructions > in there (that I can find) telling me what jumpers to cut or install... > Anyone got any ideas? > Thanks es 73 de N5NPO > Norman Knapp <>
RE: [Repeater-Builder] IFR FM/AM 1200S
Cort, Somewhere on the web I read that the difference between the non-tracking versus the tracking 1200S was just a firmware change. The hardware is already there. Someone else may comment on this that knows more, but if that is the case, you just need a copy of the eproms in the full up option-12 1200. A friend has the same non-tracking 1200. It would be interesting to add the tracking to his setup if it were that easy. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cort Buffington Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:01 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] IFR FM/AM 1200S Folks, I realize this is an insane long shot. I'm not a Ham Radio guy, not a commercial shop. I've finally gotten an IFR FM/AM 1200S. It didn't have option 12 (Tracking Generator). I'm looking for parts from junked 1200s to add option 12. IFR/Aeroflex wants WAY more than I can afford for this. If anyone has junked or spare 1200S option 12 parts for sale or trade, I'd love to talk to you. 73 DE N0MJS -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206 Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MCC RC-100 and Remote Base PTT
Mike, Make sure your manual is for the rev software that Ron shipped to you. There are differences in what he's shipped over time. I have two manual copies for different revisions of the RC-100 here and there are changes in the remote base command area. What is the rev of your controller? Ron does frequent this list. Maybe he'll chime in. There used to be an MCC-Controllers group on Yahoo, but I don't know if it is still there. If you've programmed say a 6, you must enter #6 on the dtmf to enable the tx (actually it toggles between Tx on and off). You are using the # prefix? Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of raritansailor Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MCC RC-100 and Remote Base PTT Let me further clarify the previous. When I turn Remote Base Xmt ON, I'm expecting the "Remote Base Tail Beep" to go from 500Hz (Xmt OFF) to 1Khz (Xmt on). That never happens, thus I believe that the xmt is never coming on, so the PTT transister never gets the drive from the CPU. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Did you check the logic level driving the PTT transistor ? > Does it change ? > > > -- Original message -- > From: "raritansailor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Folks, > > > > I have an MCC RC-100 that I've been using for the MADXRA 147.345 > > Repeater, here on the Panhandle of WV. Has been working just fine. > > > > We decided to add a remote base in order to link this repeater into a > > regional network. Everything hooked up fine, everything works fine, > > EXCEPT I can't seem to get Remote Base Xmit to turn on! Therefore > > no PTT to the link Xcvr. > > > > I've programmed the 4066 * code 25 times and whenever I use it, no xmit > > on! So as it stands I can turn remote base ON, get the 500Hz remote > > base tone, the Link Xcvr audio is being passed from the network to the > > 147.345 system, but you can't connect from the 147.345 repeater to the > > network cuz the "Xmit on", won't turn on, and the Link Xcvr gets no PTT. > > > > Any ideas folks? I DO program the 4066 * code with 0X where X is a "not > > restricted" single digit. I've tried several different digits. (as a > > side note ny * codes for "force ID", and "Remote base OFF" work just > > fine!). When I program the 4066 * code I DO get the RR in response. > > > > What am I missing? Anyone able to lend a suggestion? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mike, N3EAQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Which 440 Synthesized radio to use with IRLP?
I also use a phoenix-SX UHF on an echolink setup. I like the phoenix because it has all the necessary signals on the rear connector and they are inexpensive. You don't have to tap inside the radio. The Moto Maxtrac & GM300 are also handy if you get the 16 pin rear accessory connector variant. However the moto will set you back significantly more $$. With any commercial radio, you'll need programming software and hardware, which could set you back ~ $50.00 unless you can find a locally equipped ham. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:09 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Which 440 Synthesized radio to use with IRLP? > Building a quick IRLP simplex interface and what are the current > synthesized 440 radios you guys are using? > > Thanks, > > Rick Rick I am using a GE Pheonix on my VHF system and it works great and they are cheap. I have the power turned down to about 15 watts going into an 11 element yagi. I need to make a better mount for the yagi. Every time we get strong winds it moves the direction it is pointing in, then I get w eak and scratchy signal. I paid $25 for the radio. Rod kc7vqr Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVP repeater on 6 meters
Joe, I haven't done the MVP, but have converted the Exec II for a 1 MHz split 6 mtr rptr. Basically the same radio in trunk mount version with a bigger PA. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVP repeater on 6 meters Has anyone successfully got a GE MVP to repeat on 6 meters, 1Mhz split? I know that they work well on 440Mhz but never heard of one used on 6 meters. 73, Joe, K1ike Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
Hi Mike, As far as I know, morris softronics has nothing to do with midland radios, 'midlands' is just part of their domain name. Their SAME decoder board allows insertion of any radios audio source, in my case a GE M2 voter rx on 162.4. I know its a little over kill, but hey the rx works good in a high IM site :) It has a couple of control bits to and from the card for wx alert status and on/off over-ride control of the wx audio. Those tie into your repeater controller of choice. Its serially rs-232 programmed for the SAME codes of interest. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I have no idea how the Softronics units work but avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham radio repeater use. The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack receivers don't have. The programmed SAME code opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer (built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test). On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it... they actually unmute the audio for the message, and remute it when it's done... what a concept. I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert audio from an external receiver into its decoder section, but I've not tracked him down. If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page at www.repeater-builder.com Mike WA6ILQ At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote: >These may still be available: >http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm >They work well. There are a couple in use in this area. > >Ralph W4XE > > >-Original Message- >From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de >Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? > > >I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller >via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a >link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what >I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there >another similar product out there right now? > >James K7ICU > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
These may still be available: http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm They work well. There are a couple in use in this area. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there another similar product out there right now? James K7ICU Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Moto Pulsar 120
Riley, I remember seeing a pulsar mod on the web, it might have been this one: http://www.phreak.org/radio/mods/pulsar.txt Have a couple of pulsars sitting here I haven't had time to mess with. Was planning on digging out the duplexers in them. Anyone know how they fair on the spec anal test bench? As someone else stated when building a repeater with one of these the transmit is high and receive is low which is opposite the norm. May be a problem if your states rptr coordinator bandplan doesn't allow an upside down pair. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Riley Frazee Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:09 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Moto Pulsar 120 I have a Motorola Pulsar 120 S Mobile Telephone that was used before cellular phones. I am told that one can modify this radio to become a repeater. I know nothing about this radio/phone. How many watts, channels, VHF OR UHF, or even if this spefic model can be modified to a repeater. I have searched google and yahoo and msn to see what I could find out about this 120 S model and I was very unsuccessful. If anyone has any information that they could pass along to me that would be great. Riley. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted
Jeff, The pwr sup unit for the amp is buried at the bottom of a 6' rack full of stuff so a little hard to get to the back of it this morning. However from the front of it the meter 0-3 Full scale indicates: Grid curr 30 mA Plate Curr 300 mA Plate V 3 KV Fuses on the front: Filament 1A slow blow 30V 2A s.b. Cntl 1/2A s.b. So you know at least some maximums for the plate and filaments. I haven't fired it up yet, but I saw it in service at the last site it was on. My 150 MHz amp is a 4CX250 tube, not sure about the 440 unit. A manual was supposed to come with my unit, but the guy moved during the deal and the manual hasn't surfaced yet. If it does I'll scan it for you. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted Nice to see that I have some company. How much voltage and current does that supply produce? Jeff --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Hogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've also got a Quintron 1/4 KW VHF PA and also in need of a manual. I do > have the AC PS for mine. > > thanks, > Ralph W4XE > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:59 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted > > > I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last > Saturday. I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar > with it, and most important, the DC power requirements. > > Jeff > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
I've also got a Quintron 1/4 KW VHF PA and also in need of a manual. I do have the AC PS for mine. thanks, Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last Saturday. I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar with it, and most important, the DC power requirements. Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mini Audio Amplifier time...
I've got one of those, but probably a 20 year old model :) He's right, over the years I can't tell you how many times that little amp has come in handy! Sits on the lab bench ready to amplify as long as the 9 VDC battery is good. Well worth every penny! Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 3:20 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mini Audio Amplifier time... Mini Audio Amplifier time... It would be some of the best money spent on handy test gear if many of you picked up a Radio Shack Mini Audio Amplifier. Part Number: 277-1008 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062620&cp Runs $12.99 and based on the time it will save you... well worth the buck'ola's you'll spend. You can use this handy beast for service, repairs and in the case of the last emph & de-emph thread/posts to actually hear the audio at various stages in your repeater system. Runs on 9 volts so it's easily portable. The two side mounted jacks allow you to use it for audio or even a line driver application. In the current solar repeater thread you wouldn't in even need to have the original equipment audio hardware installed. Just bring along the mini amp for testing... You can also remove the amplifier pc-board from the plastic case and install it in various project locations... temp or perm. I'm sure more than one of you have run into one of these amplifiers applied into a circuit temp and it was never removed or changed. When I speak to some of you on the phone about testing audio I always try to convey how handy this "little bugger" can be. Makes for easier trouble-shooting and if you're crafty enough to make an rf probe, it will detect and amplify various rf circuits/stages. Some of you might also harken back to the original Radio Shack "Signal Tracer", which is pretty much an equivalent function/device. If you don't have one... it might be the best $12.99 you've spent this month. Be sure to get the 9v battery and a 1/8 inch phono plug along with some shielded wire. Or buy the 1/8 inch on both ends jumper (from the shack) and cut it in half. cheers, s. > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Repeater audio amplifier stage to greatly reduce the standby > current, with a switch to re-enable the audio PA for maintenance > while at the site. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station
Bill, I believe mine was setup as tone remote/rpt as well. Don't remember any muting problems. Do you have a manual on the IDA? I think its up on this reflectors website. If not I can email you a copy (1/2 meg pdf). I'd start at the receiver drawer first and look at what is going away on the receiver during TX PTT. The below signals are the ones that you'd want to look at first. J931-10 RX OSC CNTL J931- 17 RX MUTE J831- 18 RUS J904-1 CAS J903-1 RX F1 RXMUTE is related to PL detect, the RX OSC CNTL and F1 xtal control should be tied constant. You didn't say if this was a carrier only or channel guard unit? I have a sneaky suspicion if you have a stock GE PL decoder in the unit, its half duplex only. When you key, the pl decoder detects PTT and your CG decode goes away and then the RX unit mutes via RXMUTE. On the IDA, RXMUTE/RX1MUTE is H12 to H13 jumper, then there is the H41-H42 jumper on the GE M2 system board that ties the CG decoder boards signal back to the IDA. Once you get that figured out, the other external repeater controller mods should work for you. Drop me a direct email if you want to chat some more. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill McLure Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station Hi Ralph, Thanks for the info that's what I have been looking for. My station has the P58 version of the controller which I believe is Tone Remote/Repeat controller. The only problem is it has been setup simplex as a tone remote base. How do I remove receiver muting on this controller and will your mod's still work with this setup? Regards, Bill... -Original message- From: "Ralph Hogan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:19:46 -0800 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Spam] RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station > Hey Bill, > > I pull one of the cable connectors (j1203) plugged into the IDA and insert a > small breakout molex to molex cable to get to the rx & tx audio pathes plus > PTT to feed up to the ham controller. In this way the internal GE rptr > controller can be restored to normal and used in a pinch by removing the > breakout cable. I've documented my version of the GE Master II IDA > conversion on my website. > > http://www.qsl.net/w4xe/rpttech/rpttech21.htm > > Includes a schematic/pictorial of the external ham rptr controller wiring, a > list of IDA connector pinout descriptions and IDA board layout and pot > locations. > > 73's > Ralph W4XE > > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:24 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station > > > Hi! > > Does anyone have repeater conversion info on the newer style GE Mastr > II stations with the all in one controller, metering and speaker > (19B234871). I have a VHF station I wish to convert but I would like > to keep the local station controls, speaker, mic and metering. > > Thanks! > > Bill > N6YMZ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station
Thanks Guys, hope it is useful info. Its been a long work in progress. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station To: W4XE.I totally agree with Jim KA2AJH.an excellent informative GE Mastr II site. Wish I knew you were around a couple years ago. Great job. Gary K2UQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station
Hey Bill, I pull one of the cable connectors (j1203) plugged into the IDA and insert a small breakout molex to molex cable to get to the rx & tx audio pathes plus PTT to feed up to the ham controller. In this way the internal GE rptr controller can be restored to normal and used in a pinch by removing the breakout cable. I've documented my version of the GE Master II IDA conversion on my website. http://www.qsl.net/w4xe/rpttech/rpttech21.htm Includes a schematic/pictorial of the external ham rptr controller wiring, a list of IDA connector pinout descriptions and IDA board layout and pot locations. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II Station Hi! Does anyone have repeater conversion info on the newer style GE Mastr II stations with the all in one controller, metering and speaker (19B234871). I have a VHF station I wish to convert but I would like to keep the local station controls, speaker, mic and metering. Thanks! Bill N6YMZ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 6m heliax duplexer experiment
Try Nebraska Surplus. They have Johanson and other mfgrs. Nice photos/descriptions of each on their website. Still aren't cheap at $5 to $10+ each depending on the pf range. Unfortunately, they don't have the exact Johanson P/N 5602 I'm looking for to fix a couple of DB prod VHF cans. However, they do have something similar that could work in a pinch. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:34 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6m heliax duplexer experiment I was working on a "Econo-plexer". Does anyone know where to get Johansen style piston trimmer capacitors for cheap? I am looking for the kind that has the screw retaining nut for ground and just the little round dimple on the other side. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] trimmer caps on the UHF WP-678-R2 BpBr Cans ?
Posting a question for a friend Ron below. Ralph W4XE From: Ron Shaffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Guys, > Anyone know the value of the trimmer caps on the UHF WP-678-R2 BpBr Cans ? > .. I see a package on Nebraska Surplus web site that is a Johanson (CTP) > 5702 > that looks to be mechanically the same with a range of .4 to 6 pF > Any Ideas ? > Thanks > > -- > Ron Shaffer's Hamshack Computer > Amateur: W4VM / MARS: AAT4SJ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Exec II repeater, was 100.0 Hz GE Versatone
Chuck, Its in the stock 6 mtr mobile mechanical configuration. This is my first 'mobile' version, so time will tell if desense is an issue at ~50W half power rating output :) Just got it finished and cooking on the bench last night. My main concern is that I'm going from a split site with uhf link to full duplex single site using a 1 5/8" hardline duplexer. I have seen lots of guys on the web using the MCC spun EXEC II mobile to repeater version and they seem to be happy with the results. I've previously done two repeaters of the table top EXEC II base station model variant in both VHF and UHF and they work fine at 20W. Just add some fan cooling to the internal power supply and PA heat sinks. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 7:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTD: 100.0 Hz GE Versatone I don't have a Versatone, but do have a question. Did you use an Exec II mobile and did you keep the TX and RX in the original configuration? I did one several years ago and put the RX in a separate box because I wasn't sure if it would duplex well in the original configuration. Chuck WB2EDV Ralph Hogan wrote: >Putting the finishing touches on a GE EXEC II 6 mtr repeater. >Need one of the white ceramic Versatone for 100.0 Hz PL. > >Anyone have one to sell? > >thanks, >Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] WTD: 100.0 Hz GE Versatone
Putting the finishing touches on a GE EXEC II 6 mtr repeater. Need one of the white ceramic Versatone for 100.0 Hz PL. Anyone have one to sell? thanks, Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Multiple receivers one antenna ???
Along these lines, someone on the list mentioned using coax multi-dropped (coax tee) off to each receiver for a voter application. Can't find the original posting. I was curious about the lengths required between the antenna and then to each radio? tnx, Ralph W4XE If you are able to lose = - 6 db of the signal to each receiver you could use a passive device which you can build yourself and save many many dollars. There is pleny of information on the web on a 4-port "Wilkonson divider ". The same phasing harness is used for a 4-stack dipole array so you could ask around for one or buy it off the shelf-these are frequenct contious. Regards Bradley Glen ZS5WT http://members.harc.org.za/zs5wt > > It's easy! What you need is known as a > multicoupler. This unit usually comprises a > preselector to limit the bandwidth of the incoming > signals, a low-noise amplifier, and a splitter with > two, four, or eight output ports. The gain of the > amplifier is tailored to the number of splits so > that the loss in the splitter is overcome. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > - > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Vincent Caruso > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:04 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Multiple receivers one > antenna ??? > > I would like to install one antenna for four link > receivers. How > complicated is this? What do I need to do this? > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II Exec. desk top
I bought two from Paul at Dayton. They are in good condition and met specs after retuning. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Finch Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:34 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II Exec. desk top About 30 leftThat defined as plenty? Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil McKie Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:44 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II Exec. desk top Please define ' plenty?' Thanks, Neil Paul Finch wrote: > > Hello, > > I have plenty of 88 split desktop radio in stock. > > Paul > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:36 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II Exec. desk top > > At 20:49 11/23/2005, you wrote: > >I recently pick up a Mastr II Exec. Desk top radio with an 89split. > >Is this radio worth converting to a 70cm repeater? > > > >Thanks > >Frank > >N9WYN > > 470-494 MHz split. Convertible to 70 cm amateur but not worth the trouble > IMO when there are lots of 88 radios out there. > > If you like the form factor of the Exec II base radio, get it & find an 88 > mobile, then swap out the RX front-end assy., RX oscillator/multiplier > board & TX exciter board. The RFPAs are the same. > > Bob NO6B > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MASTR II with IDA P52 controller questions
Joe, I've done this with a GE Master II, IDA and RC85. Contact me directly. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MASTR II with IDA P52 controller questions I've dusted off an old project that I have started on many times and never got it finished. Now it's crunch time, as I need it on the air soon. I have a Mastr II with the IDA P52 controller. It is now working just fine, and I now want to add an SCom 6K controller to it. The complications start because I want to leave the IDA controller functional as a "bare-bones" controller and use the speaker on the IDA for monitoring at the site. The SCom will have the audio passing through it, so I will have to somehow stop the IDA from passing audio from the receiver to the transmitter. I plan on putting a toggle switch to break the PTT and TX audio from going to/from the IDA controller and connect these leads to the SCom controller. Other leads, such as COS and PL decode would be bridged. That way, I will have LED indications on the IDA and audio available at the IDA speaker for troubleshooting. If I want to remove the SCom controller, all I have to do is flip the switch and the IDA controller would be functional. Any ideas, suggestions? Anyone out there already doing this with the IDA controller? Maybe I'm just over-engineering this project. 73, Joe, K1ike Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Id'ing receiver links
Glenn, I drop the pl tone on the link tx when there is no COS active. When the link controller (NHRC2) id's the link tx the main site voter rx won't pick it up unless there is traffic going because there is no PL. So this effectively filters out 'most' of the link id'ing without having to notch filter the cw id audio freq at the main voter rx. This requires you have PL on the link. At my noisy sites, this is a must. I dont flat audio pass the user pl tone. Its filtered out and regen'd. There are of course advantages to flat audio on voted systems but it usually requires more radio modifications to implement. I haven't read the moto voter system manual in awhile but I seem to recall it is similar to the GE system. In the GE, the local voter link rx encodes a 1950 Hz inactivity tone to the voter rack at the main site. When the voter receiver picks up COS/PL from the remote link tx it removes the 1950 Hz tone and passes the audio to the voter rack. The voter rack then starts voting that channel. The use of these signaling tones means you dont have to look at COS detect signals which is nice in a remote audio only wireline application. You shouldn't have to have the link tx up 24/7. FWIW some local guys dont ID their link tx, arguing its ID'd on the main repeater but thats stretching the FCC rules in my opinion. However they've gotten away with it for years. Your mileage may vary. With my luck I'd get a knock on the door from the FCC. Ralph W4XE -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:01 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Repeater-Builder] Id'ing receiver links Hi, Just wondered if anyone knew the requirements for id'ing rf links? These will be used with SpectraTac and will be constantly keyed. Thanks, Glenn YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] GE Exec II Chn element interchangeabliity
A friend has asked me a question about Exec II channel elements and isn't on this reflector. So I'll pose the question for him. I know that in a pinch the GE Mastr II ICOMS can be substituted somewhat for VHF/UHF, Low band maybe even? (couldn't find the exact thread on this). But, I don't think I've seen mention of the Exec II's (or MVP's) being able to swap a VHF chn (or 'crystal') element into a UHF radio or vice versa. Also what about the low band 50 Mhz? Since the Exec II version doesn't have the oscillator or EC/2C/5C business, perhaps they will swap around easier between bands. This is all of course assuming the 'proper' xtal is inserted for the desired freq of interest. thanks, Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] State of AL Two Meter Frequency Coordinator contact?
I'm forwarding to the President of ARC to make the necessary corrections in that database. Ralph Hogan W4XE Northern Director for Alabama Repeater Council -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mch Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:38 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] State of AL Two Meter Frequency Coordinator contact? John, When you talk to them, ask them to update their web site with the NFCC. Joe M. Ralph Hogan wrote: > > John, > > Contact Howard Grant (below) for coordination request. > > The troy state univeristy url is old. Used to auto-direct you to the new > one, but looks like they've finally pulled the plug. The new one is: > http://www.alabamarepeatercouncil.org/ which Jim correctly gave you. > > The website has an online application you can download and send to Howard. > I'd drop Howard an email telling him where the proposed repeater would be > located. You'll find many areas of Alabama have no open 2 meter pairs > available. > > Howard Grant, K4WWN [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Frequency Coordinator, Alabama Repeater Council > > 73's > Ralph Hogan W4XE > Northern Director for Alabama Repeater Council > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Burch > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:04 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] State of AL Two Meter Frequency Coordinator > contact? OT Alert! > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] State of AL Two Meter Frequency Coordinator contact?
John, Contact Howard Grant (below) for coordination request. The troy state univeristy url is old. Used to auto-direct you to the new one, but looks like they've finally pulled the plug. The new one is: http://www.alabamarepeatercouncil.org/ which Jim correctly gave you. The website has an online application you can download and send to Howard. I'd drop Howard an email telling him where the proposed repeater would be located. You'll find many areas of Alabama have no open 2 meter pairs available. Howard Grant, K4WWN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frequency Coordinator, Alabama Repeater Council 73's Ralph Hogan W4XE Northern Director for Alabama Repeater Council -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Burch Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:04 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] State of AL Two Meter Frequency Coordinator contact? OT Alert! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Ralph Hogan's website...
Just back from travelling out of town, so didn't see the post about the website. Sorry for the dead links to my hard drive. At least the Master Pro info works that I ponted him toward. When I went from writing my own html to Microsoft 'front page' (wish I hadn't...) and moved the website at the same time, the links for the MII and MIcor didn't get set correctly. I'll see about fixing it this weekend and adding a bunch more info. Will post a note here when I get it resolved. thanks, Ralph W4XE -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of William E. JanesSent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:34 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Ralph Hogan's website...Ihave gone to the website. I was able to access the initial Micor Page, however the link labeled: " Ordering a UHF Micor Crystal for repeater service" goes nowhere. The Properties for the link goes to: file:///E:/webpages/w4xe/rpt/tech/uhfxtal.htm. Clicking on the link does nothing. Bill N9SII Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] RE: GE Mastr PRO deskmate power supply question.
Dennis, You might want to check out my GE Master Pro page. Has the schematics, terminal block descriptions, tips and hookups. http://www.qsl.net/w4xe/rpttech/rpttech1.htm The warning about 117VAC next to COS is a very good one. Be careful 73's Ralph W4XE Greetings, Better yet if someone has a schematic for this unit that would also detail the barrier strip designations, please contatct me. I will pay for a schematic of this power supply. Thanks, Dennis / KB8YGC Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Fan Temp Switch
For the fan application, you can purchase from digikey http://www.digikey.com/ over the web or landline a CANTHERM bimetal temp normally open switch which will close when the temp reaches the desired setpoint. Has spade lugs for connection. Remember to apply a dab of heat sink grease when mounting. They are in the $8-10 range. Note they are rated in degrees C, so you'll have to convert to degrees F to pick the right one!!! Heres a link to a java script: http://www.nomoreodor.com/celsius_to_fahrenheit_conversion.htm The part number will be 317-109X-ND, where X selects the temperature. The one I picked was 104 degreeF range if I remember right. Take into account the ambient temp range of the installation you are in when selecting the setpoint temp. A setpoint too low would keep the fan on all the time in an uncooled repeater shack in Phoenix AZ. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: kc4wgh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:07 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Fan Temp Switch Back again. Any suggested on a vendor for a temperature switch to turn the 12 vdc fans ON and OFF. I used a test setup this morning with some stud mounted temperature switched and a temperature device. They make-up at 150 degree F, and opens at 120 degree F. I think this is allowing the heat sink to get too HOT! Thanks... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Linking Question
If the link requires PL, then turn off the PL when there is no COS from a user. (Many controllers can be rigged to implement this, or you can make a circuit to mute PL driven off COS gone). This dead hang time after a user lets up is usually when the repeater tries to ID. The distant repeater wont repeat it since it doesn't hear PL on the signal. However, normally if the link radio is established on a 'remote-base' port of both systems, the controller is usually programmed to not send ID audio down a remote base port, so no Id-overlay problem. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Linking Question In my quest to learn about building my first repeater, I have thought of a potential problem. If I wanted to set up an RF link to another repeater, how do you overcome the potential problem of each of the repeaters ID'ing (walking on each other) at the same time. (I could see this happening if both repeater sites were idle at time of key-up. (Given that most repeaters ID in 10 minute intervels). Is there something that should be done during construction? Thanks. Tony KC5WBJ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Hyper Terminal
You might also want to look at Teraterm PRO. Its a freebee out on the web if you do a search. Latest version I found was Ver 3.13. Just downloaded it yesterday to talk to an eprom programmer. Works great. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:05 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Hyper Terminal Hello skipp, Please email me the public domain version of PCplus, or maybe you could post it to the files section? Thanks, Joe, K1ike At 12:38 AM 3/20/2005 +, you wrote: >I can Email a (public domain version) dos copy >of pcplus to anyone who wants one. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Going got Rough, Forced to change Freq, Need Answers
The Master Pro RX will work fine down there. We used to use a Master Pro repeater for a 144/145 split repeater without any problems. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: w9mwq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Going got Rough, Forced to change Freq, Need Answers Not sure how well all the equipment will handle the change. Here is what I have as equipment, and will it all make it there. We are moving from 146.925- to 145.410-, and the expense is the last thing I needed right now. GE MASTR PRO ER41 Receiver How low in frequency will the MASTR Pro go before I loose quality sensitivity, right now, it's about .15 uv with a preamp, and receives excellent. The vocom amp is model #VVC200-2ref and was designed for the 146 Mhz range. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] GE Master II history dates
Have had some hams in the club asking about the GE Master II equipment I use for all of our repeaters. Can any one answer the question of what year was the Master II introduced and when was it last produced? thanks, Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater
thanks for the comments guys on PL encoding the old midlands. Its been a few years since I messed with them. Seems I remember I did something similar with cap/resistor tapped into it. Will have to dig them back up and see where I was trying to inject it. UHF 440 control/link pairs around here are drying up fast, so I thought I'd reuse these old radios and get some use out of them on 220 MHz. As for main repeater hardware on that band the club is just starting a GE M2 vhf to 220 conversion (w/non-pll exciter). 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:14 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater We use to tie them on to the wiper side for the dev. pot throught a 15 mfd bipolar cap. >From what I remimber it worked ok. Good luck, Russ, W3CH > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater
While we are on the subject of midland/clegg 13-509 radios/repeaters has anyone had luck PL'ing the exciter. It wasn't setup originally for PL encoders. Initial attempt exciter+PL audio wasn't very promising with a TS-32. Looks like you'd have to FM the varicap directly. Was going to use some I have as link radios and wanted to PL the link. tnx, Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Help: GE M2 PL decode dropout on voice peaks and IDA control shelf
Hey Fred, Thanks for the reply. You must have missed the orginal posting. It's a stock GE digital pl encoder card. Swapped it out with another GE digital card and also a comm spec TS-64MII. Also swapped out the entire rx & audio boards. No difference between the two GE PL decks or alternate rx components. The TS-64 did seem a little better than the GE in decoding without talking off. Interesting point in seeing the lpf fail. Will probe around some more on the pl deck. Didn't get a chance to get back to it yesterday...ho ho.. Have a couple of things to try that were brought up earlier. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Fred Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:00 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help: GE M2 PL decode dropout on voice peaks and IDA control shelf Ralph: You do not say what you are using for a CTCSS decoder. Fred W5VAY Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Help: GE M2 PL decode dropout on voice peaks and IDA control shelf
Thanks guys for all the comments. Yes, the one ht I normally use on the bench may be a little hot on PL (er I mean CG hihi) Dev and voice dev, but not way out of bounds. Kind of one of the reasons I use that one, is it's on the edge as a user radio might be. The point is, it's never done that with any other GE M2 on the bench before. Thus my questioning of the hardware under test. As for quality and standardization of radios, I agree. They are all over the place audio wise. Sure I could crack open this particular HT and turn it down to 200 Hz pl deviation and 4 KHz peak voice dev. I know if I put the repeater up on the mtn site today, some of my users will talk it off too. It would be hard to bench calibrate all the users radios out there. Again, I just think there is something in the hardware I'm missing. I did grab two other ht's as stated earlier and they created the same problem. One HT was a moto saber btw, so hopefully they did their homework correctly on PL injection into the transmitter audio chain. I dont remember the exact particulars on the Saber, but I remember it does have a lower PL dev and much lower audio dev. Still shuts the PL decoder down. I looked at the audio levels going into the pl deck. Didn't look out of whack. I'll try changing the PL tone from 127.3 to something lower that I normally use. That was a good suggestion and easy to try. Maybe I have one of those voices for 127.3. Someone mentioned supply voltages. The 12 VDC supply is the bench supply right now. I adjusted the 10 VDC a long time back when first starting with this 'new' repeater station. But, will recheck the 10 VDC, just in case. Well its getting late and Santa is near (for the kids). Thanks again guys, you given me some things to think about. best holiday wishes, Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Help: GE M2 PL decode dropout on voice peaks and IDA control shelf
Working on an IDA control shelf equipped UHF GE M2 base/repeater. Normally used to working with a lot of the older card rack style control shelves. Never saw this happen on other GE M2 repeaters or mobiles. Here's the situation: I am using the repeater system looking at RUS for PL detect and CAS for COS. Either running repeater in stock IDA repeat mode, or externally wired RC-85 controller. Using an HT on the bench if I hit the audio hard getting close to 4.5 KHz peaks the repeater would shut down in PL mode (127.3 Hz FWIW). If I run in COS only mode, no issues. I had originally thought perhaps it was something in the IDA control shelf, since this is my first IDA equipped machine. Probing around saw that U7A 4066 in the IDA was muting the RX audio vol/sql hi to TX audio hi path. That control line leads to RXMUTE (amoungest other sources) which started me looking at the PL decoder. Used a pl deck extender card to isolate the PL deck's RXMUTE decode signal from the IDA. Its the decoder for sure, rxmute high (pl detected) on low level audio and rxmute drops low (no pl decode) on loud voice peaks. This is a GE stock digital PL decoder. Swapped in another ge pl deck. Same deal. Swapped in a TS-64MII and it also does it, but not as bad. I even went so far as to look at R608 audio preamp pot inside the shielded box on the audio/sql board. It adjust the VOL/SQL hi signal toward the pl detector. Its adjusted within limits and didn't make any difference. I swapped out the GE RX front end and audio/sql boards with known good ones just for grins thinking distorted audio. Not the problem. Rechecked the rx chn element freq using the F-11.2 trick on the service monitor. It's dead zero'd. This effect happens on several HT's on hand. Main 'test bench' HT measured 650 hz pl dev and 4.5 KHz dev voice peaks. Audio source, my highly calibrated voice 'Ahh 1 2 3 W4XE' hihi.. Now I can fully understand a real distorted audio signal or one that's way over deviated out of the receiver limits not being decodable. But, I can't ever remember being able to talk off a pl decoder on innumberable GE M2's I've had on the bench before. The only new variable is this IDA shelf and maybe the system interface board in the drawer. Haven't compared it to a card rack version to see if they are different. But, not much to go wrong on that system interface board in any case. Thought I'd throw out an email while everyone is sitting at home dreaming about sugar plums.. Has anyone else seen this problem? 73's and happy holidays Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB Products Duplexer Conversion
Hey Gary, I was the one that promised. Just got the info in the mail today (thanks!) and scanned it all in. I created a small webpage pointing to all of the info you sent, plus some more on the individual BP or notch cans which make up the DB-4046 and DB-4048. http://www.qsl.net/w4xe/db4048.htm 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:26 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB Products Duplexer Conversion Bob Parker AC4RX, I have a complete copy of the DB4048 factory modification to 2 meter ham band on its way to you in Florida. Its leaving 1st class this morning from Trenton, NJ. It will have probably more info that you want to know about the DB4048...hi. I have a list of those who asked for the info and everything is Xeroxed and ready to go. One of the requesters promised to post it in a web site which for all those interested. That would be great. 73, Gary K2UQ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
