Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
Thanks Chris. Wesley - Original Message - From: Chris Carruba To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today EchoLink requires that your router or firewall allow inbound and outbound UDP to ports 5198 and 5199, and outbound TCP to port 5200. If you are using a home-network router, you will also need to configure the router to forward UDP ports 5198 and 5199 to the PC on which EchoLink is running. you need access to your router and or firewall, and set up PORT forwarding read more here: http://www.echolink.org/firewall_solutions.htm Best Regards, Chris Carruba Co-Admin irc.spidernet.org http://www.spidernet.org CompuTec Data Systems Custom Written Software, Networking, Forensic Data Recovery -- From: Wesley Bazell wesley...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 1:39:55 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today Thanks Anyway Nate. This is an Weslell 6100 Modem - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech. com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
Verizon also offers tarriffed and non tarriffed DSL service for businesses. On Apr 5, 2009, at 11:08 AM, rahwayflynn wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: Broadband access is not on the Regulated side of telcos in most States, last I checked. No Public Utility groups involved in it. Verizon offers both tarrifed and non-tarrifed ISDN PRI/T1/T3 circuits. The BPU is certainly regulating the tarrifed side of the house. Example: Hospital and handicapped do not pay for directory assistance (NJBPU tariff #2) Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Bob M. wrote: One major difference is that Comcrap is a business. Verizon, aka Ma Bell, is a utility. Look how much better job is done by the Public Utility Control groups on prices for telcos, and how cable tv rates just keep climbing and climbing as the channel choices become less and less. Broadband access is not on the Regulated side of telcos in most States, last I checked. No Public Utility groups involved in it. -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: Broadband access is not on the Regulated side of telcos in most States, last I checked. No Public Utility groups involved in it. Verizon offers both tarrifed and non-tarrifed ISDN PRI/T1/T3 circuits. The BPU is certainly regulating the tarrifed side of the house. Example: Hospital and handicapped do not pay for directory assistance (NJBPU tariff #2)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:08 AM, rahwayflynn wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: Broadband access is not on the Regulated side of telcos in most States, last I checked. No Public Utility groups involved in it. Verizon offers both tarrifed and non-tarrifed ISDN PRI/T1/T3 circuits. The BPU is certainly regulating the tarrifed side of the house. Example: Hospital and handicapped do not pay for directory assistance (NJBPU tariff #2) Yeah, the devil is always in the details. I didn't consider ISDN PRI since that's not really 3rd generation broadband... things like xDSL and in the non-telco world, cablemodems. But yes, I can see where ISDN would have both tariffed and non-tariffed options in many regional areas. Same thing with traditional telco data circuits like DS-3 and OC-3/12/etc. (Can I really say that Cable is the non-telco world nowadays? Hmm.. interesting question. Convergence...) In general, it always comes down to you get what you pay for... those circuits aren't nearly as inexpensive as the xDSL and other more modern broadband circuits. The original poster was bummed out by Comcast and there were stories of no SLA (Service Level Agreements) on those types of circuits, even so-called commercial or business circuits from them, versus traditional telco circuits. And even in either high-speed data world, there's still real people running the networks -- sometimes making mistakes, and things go down. I'm sure there was some poor person or team who was paged in to fix the mail issues at Comcast during the outage! And a carefully offered 12-pack of beer to the correct technician, helped a company I worked for get a mis-ordered (by the telco, not us) DS-3 cross-connect done on a Sunday night once... when we knew that's what had happened, and the tech knew that the re-order/fix-order paperwork would follow nearly immediately on Monday... Us infrastructure folks who run repeaters certainly understand the we need to get this back on the air! feeling! We've all been there! -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:08 AM, rahwayflynn wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: Broadband access is not on the Regulated side of telcos in most States, last I checked. No Public Utility groups involved in it. Verizon offers both tarrifed and non-tarrifed ISDN PRI/T1/T3 circuits. The BPU is certainly regulating the tarrifed side of the house. Example: Hospital and handicapped do not pay for directory assistance (NJBPU tariff #2) Yeah, the devil is always in the details. I didn't consider ISDN PRI since that's not really 3rd generation broadband... things like xDSL and in the non-telco world, cablemodems. But yes, I can see where ISDN would have both tariffed and non-tariffed options in many regional areas. Same thing with traditional telco data circuits like DS-3 and OC-3/12/etc. (Can I really say that Cable is the non-telco world nowadays? Hmm.. interesting question. Convergence...) In general, it always comes down to you get what you pay for... those circuits aren't nearly as inexpensive as the xDSL and other more modern broadband circuits. The original poster was bummed out by Comcast and there were stories of no SLA (Service Level Agreements) on those types of circuits, even so-called commercial or business circuits from them, versus traditional telco circuits. And even in either high-speed data world, there's still real people running the networks -- sometimes making mistakes, and things go down. I'm sure there was some poor person or team who was paged in to fix the mail issues at Comcast during the outage! And a carefully offered 12-pack of beer to the correct technician, helped a company I worked for get a mis-ordered (by the telco, not us) DS-3 cross-connect done on a Sunday night once... when we knew that's what had happened, and the tech knew that the re-order/fix-order paperwork would follow nearly immediately on Monday... Us infrastructure folks who run repeaters certainly understand the we need to get this back on the air! feeling! We've all been there! -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
Thanks Anyway Nate. This is an Weslell 6100 Modem - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
EchoLink requires that your router or firewall allow inbound and outbound UDP to ports 5198 and 5199, and outbound TCP to port 5200. If you are using a home-network router, you will also need to configure the router to forward UDP ports 5198 and 5199 to the PC on which EchoLink is running. you need access to your router and or firewall, and set up PORT forwarding read more here: http://www.echolink.org/firewall_solutions.htm Best Regards, Chris Carruba Co-Admin irc.spidernet.org http://www.spidernet.org CompuTec Data Systems Custom Written Software, Networking, Forensic Data Recovery From: Wesley Bazell wesley...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 1:39:55 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today Thanks Anyway Nate. This is an Weslell 6100 Modem - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech. com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Thanks Anyway Nate. This is an Weslell 6100 Modem Here's the instructions for EchoLink for that particular modem from portforward.com -- a site that builds a database a known routers and then gives info on how to port-forward various applications through them http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Westell/Westell6100/Echolink.htm Maybe that will help? -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
Thanks Chris. Will give it a Sho. Has been Frustrating - Original Message - From: Chris Carruba To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today EchoLink requires that your router or firewall allow inbound and outbound UDP to ports 5198 and 5199, and outbound TCP to port 5200. If you are using a home-network router, you will also need to configure the router to forward UDP ports 5198 and 5199 to the PC on which EchoLink is running. you need access to your router and or firewall, and set up PORT forwarding read more here: http://www.echolink.org/firewall_solutions.htm Best Regards, Chris Carruba Co-Admin irc.spidernet.org http://www.spidernet.org CompuTec Data Systems Custom Written Software, Networking, Forensic Data Recovery -- From: Wesley Bazell wesley...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 1:39:55 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today Thanks Anyway Nate. This is an Weslell 6100 Modem - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech. com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Carruba Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 1:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today EchoLink requires that your router or firewall allow inbound and outbound UDP to ports 5198 and 5199, and outbound TCP to port 5200. If you are using a home-network router, you will also need to configure the router to forward UDP ports 5198 and 5199 to the PC on which EchoLink is running. you need access to your router and or firewall, and set up PORT forwarding read more here: http://www.echolink http://www.echolink.org/firewall_solutions.htm .org/firewall_solutions.htm Best Regards, Chris Carruba Co-Admin irc.spidernet.org http://www.spiderne http://www.spidernet.org t.org CompuTec Data Systems Custom Written Software, Networking, Forensic Data Recovery _ From: Wesley Bazell wesley...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 1:39:55 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today Thanks Anyway Nate. This is an Weslell 6100 Modem - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr mailto:n...@natetech.com To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech. com mailto:nate%40natetech.com
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I haven't followed this Awfully quiet today - been hitting the delete button, but noticed there was discussion about Echolink / ports 5198, 5199. I have an Echo/IRLP node in Verizon territory, using DSL. I fought their Westell A90-xxx-xxx wireless / modem for awhile until I found it was easier to turn it into a gateway (search the internet for one of the sources on how to do it if it isn't obvious browsing through the menus) (and don't forget to turn the wireless OFF when you do that), and then put a Linksys WRT54G behind it - and set up the port forwarding in the traditional manner so everything worked for IRLP, Echolink, and many other uses where ports needed to be open. The nodes are on the other end of a wireless wet11 and work perfect. You may not want to add the hardware, but I had it as spare. Bill - W6CBS On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Wesley Bazell wrote: Hi Nate Have you any experiance on Echolink, opening Ports 5198,5199 with verizon.net? Have not been sucessful in doing this. I realize this may be off Topic. Wesley AB8KD Not Verizon specifically, they're (mostly) not a carrier for anything other than cellular and wireline IP for big business out here in Colorado. We're Qwest country, for better or for worse... on residential service. Haven't seen any complaints from the EchoIRLP mailing list on YahooGroups about Verizon specifically though... AFAIK they're not blocking anything, the router just has to be told what to route to whatever internal IP address you're using... I could be wrong... might be worth asking on a more VoIP linking focused mailing list like that one, or whatever lists Echolink has going. (I don't know on that one... I only do EchoIRLP and use the Windows EchoLink client from time to time, or EchoMac...) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech. mailto:nate%40natetech.com com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
Some of the cell carriers started to buy T1's from local cable companies, then realized that there is no SLA (service level agreement) like the phone company gives. I guess it's probably because buying a T1 from the phone company is a regulated business, and buying a T1 from a cable company is not. Joe rahwayflynn wrote: My site was shopping for a T3 During the Comcast's salesman's speech, I asked what their SLA terms were. I had to explain SLA and what 5 nines were (less then 5 minutes downtime per year). Comcast could not guarantee anything. What good is 45 Mbs of bandwidth with a CIR of Zero? We are on a Verizon T3, with a second being installed shortly. Verizon is pulling 24 strands of dedicated single mode to an alternate wire center for me.When it *has* to work, it's back to Ma Bell.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. msf5kg...@... wrote: Comcrap cable has an e-mail outage that started Saturday morning around 7-8am EDT. I've been told you can still send messages out but you can't check for, or receive messages using your favorite mail program. Their web-based SmartZone e-mail program also is down, so you're screwed either way. My site was shopping for a T3 During the Comcast's salesman's speech, I asked what their SLA terms were. I had to explain SLA and what 5 nines were (less then 5 minutes downtime per year). Comcast could not guarantee anything. What good is 45 Mbs of bandwidth with a CIR of Zero? We are on a Verizon T3, with a second being installed shortly. Verizon is pulling 24 strands of dedicated single mode to an alternate wire center for me. When it *has* to work, it's back to Ma Bell.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today
One major difference is that Comcrap is a business. Verizon, aka Ma Bell, is a utility. Look how much better job is done by the Public Utility Control groups on prices for telcos, and how cable tv rates just keep climbing and climbing as the channel choices become less and less. I wasn't home during the evening but it seems stuff started working again around 6pm EDT. Bob M. == --- On Sat, 4/4/09, rahwayflynn mafl...@att.net wrote: From: rahwayflynn mafl...@att.net Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:19 PM --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. msf5kg...@... wrote: Comcrap cable has an e-mail outage that started Saturday morning around 7-8am EDT. I've been told you can still send messages out but you can't check for, or receive messages using your favorite mail program. Their web-based SmartZone e-mail program also is down, so you're screwed either way. My site was shopping for a T3 During the Comcast's salesman's speech, I asked what their SLA terms were. I had to explain SLA and what 5 nines were (less then 5 minutes downtime per year). Comcast could not guarantee anything. What good is 45 Mbs of bandwidth with a CIR of Zero? We are on a Verizon T3, with a second being installed shortly. Verizon is pulling 24 strands of dedicated single mode to an alternate wire center for me. When it *has* to work, it's back to Ma Bell.
