[Repeater-Builder] repeater control
I'm not that familiar with the rules for repeaters on being able to shut them down (off). We have a 2 meter repeater that can be shut it down by a phone line. This gets very expensive after years though. Is it legal to just have a UHF ham receiver set up to shut off the repeater? Thanks, in advance Al Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
At a recent meeting buying or building a new control radio was discussed. I remember reading years ago when the repeater was put on the air for the first time that a control link must be 223 Mhz or above to be a qualified control link. After searching part 97, I cannot find the frequency for a link listed. Has this requirement been lifed or can someone point me to the rule? Bill WA9BA Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
I am looking for a single unit commercial radio that is programable from the keyboard for operation in the 420-449.99 ham band.I have been asked to control a local repeater and my 440 gear is limited to 440 and up in freq.I need the standard ham options,duplex,CTCSS in and out and flex channel splits.DTMF on the mic or keyboard would be nice but not necessary. Does anyone know of a list of commercial units (any Mfg) that will move to the 440 ham band without major programming or re-alignment?I hope someone has researched this before and I don't have to re-invent the wheel,so to speak. A great list,I read it faithfully.I hope to get more involved in repeater installs and maintenance,my experience is many years old when we built our machines with tube-type gear and climbed 1200 ft TV towers. 73, Bob W0OXJ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
Alan, Yes. Part 97 Rules require that the Control Operator be able to shut down a repeater in the event of a malfunction, and this can be done over a radio or wireline link. A link that is used solely to exercise control need not be a full-duplex link, and it can even be one-way, so long as it works. For example, you could have a 440 MHz receiver that would pass only a carrier with a specific PL or DPL code, followed by a simple DTMF decoder. You could key up your control radio and send a brief string of DTMF digits to knock down the repeater or bring it up. You could also use DTMF to change power levels, switch antennas, or unlock the door. I strongly suggest that you enable your repeater's timeout timer and set it for no more than three minutes, in accordance with Part 97.213(b). This will ensure that the repeater will shut itself off, even if the controller or control link fails. The most recent edition of Part 97 is dated October 1, 2003. Keep a copy on hand. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > Alan wrote: > > I'm not that familiar with the rules for repeaters on being able to > shut them down (off). We have a 2 meter repeater that can be shut it > down by a phone line. This gets very expensive after years though. Is > it legal to just have a UHF ham receiver set up to shut off the > repeater? > > Thanks, in advance Al > > --- > Yahoo! Groups Links > >* To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ > >* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
>I'm not that familiar with the rules for repeaters on being able to shut them down (off). We have a 2 meter repeater that can be shut >it down by a phone line. This gets very expensive after years though. Is it legal to just have a UHF ham receiver set up to shut off the >repeater? YOu can control a ham repeater by using a seperate UHF receiver. Below are the regulations for it. By control , it is mostly ment the ability to turn off the transmitter. Note the frequencies at the bottom of the page. §97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. An amateur station on or within 50 km of the Earth's surface may be under telecommand where: (a) There is a radio or wireline control link between the control point and the station sufficient for the control operator to perform his/her duties. If radio, the control link must use an auxiliary station. A control link using a fiber optic cable or another telecommunication service is considered wireline. (b) Provisions are incorporated to limit transmission by the station to a period of no more than 3 minutes in the event of malfunction in the control link. (c) The station is protected against making, willfully or negligently, unauthorized transmissions. (d) A photocopy of the station license and a label with the name, address, and telephone number of the station licensee and at least one designated control operator is posted in a conspicuous place at the station location. §97.201 Auxiliary station. (a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be an auxiliary station. A holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of an auxiliary station, subject to the privileges of the class of operator license held. (b) An auxiliary station may transmit only on the 1.25 m and shorter wavelength bands, except the 219-220 MHz, 222.000-222.150 MHz, 431-433 MHz and 435-438 MHz segments. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
- Original Message - From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control > Alan, > > Yes. Part 97 Rules require that the Control Operator be able to shut > down a repeater in the event of a malfunction, and this can be done over > a radio or wireline link. A link that is used solely to exercise > control need not be a full-duplex link, and it can even be one-way, so > long as it works. For example, you could have a 440 MHz receiver that > would pass only a carrier with a specific PL or DPL code, followed by a > simple DTMF decoder. You could key up your control radio and send a > brief string of DTMF digits to knock down the repeater or bring it up. > You could also use DTMF to change power levels, switch antennas, or > unlock the door. Just to clear up a fine point. The control (as defined by the RCC) is mainly used to turn the transmitter off. The others you mentioned are not concidered control functions but ancillary functions. 97.205 (e) Ancillary functions of a repeater that are available to users on the input channel are not considered remotely controlled functions of the station. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
At 4/10/2004 08:24 AM, you wrote: >Alan, >I strongly suggest that you enable your repeater's timeout timer and set >it for no more than three minutes, in accordance with Part 97.213(b). Part 97.213(b) requires no such timer. The referenced timer is a "heartbeat" or "watchdog" timer that is supposed to verify that the remote control link is available, & is supposed to shut the system down within 3 minutes of failure of that control link. For public service events, I make sure that all time-out timers on the systems we use are DISABLED, or are set to very long intervals (1 hour). Why? Someone inevitably locks their TX on during the event. Net control & most of the field units can usually talk over the locked unit, since it's almost always an HT strapped to the belt putting a weak signal into the repeater. If the TOT is left on & the system times out, the net is shut down. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
A good way to reset one that has gotten this is use a big signal 5 or 10kc low and fool the agc limiter circuit, the cas will drop and come back verifying weak signal - this works with the no-timer method also if you have a reset tone running. Bob Dengler wrote: > > At 4/10/2004 08:24 AM, you wrote: > >Alan, > > >I strongly suggest that you enable your repeater's timeout timer and set > >it for no more than three minutes, in accordance with Part 97.213(b). > > Part 97.213(b) requires no such timer. The referenced timer is a > "heartbeat" or "watchdog" timer that is supposed to verify that the remote > control link is available, & is supposed to shut the system down within 3 > minutes of failure of that control link. > > For public service events, I make sure that all time-out timers on the > systems we use are DISABLED, or are set to very long intervals (1 > hour). Why? Someone inevitably locks their TX on during the event. Net > control & most of the field units can usually talk over the locked unit, > since it's almost always an HT strapped to the belt putting a weak signal > into the repeater. If the TOT is left on & the system times out, the net > is shut down. > > Bob NO6B -- 73...Clark Beckman N8PZD Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
Of course, you're likely to key up the adjacent repeater. Make sure you ID when you transmit on the frequency 5 or 10 kHz off. Joe M. Virden Clark Beckman wrote: > > A good way to reset one that has gotten this is use a big signal 5 or > 10kc low and fool the agc limiter circuit, the cas will drop and come > back verifying weak signal - this works with the no-timer method also > if you have a reset tone running. > > Bob Dengler wrote: > > > > Someone inevitably locks their TX on during the event. Net > > control & most of the field units can usually talk over the locked unit, > > since it's almost always an HT strapped to the belt putting a weak signal > > into the repeater. If the TOT is left on & the system times out, the net > > is shut down. > > > > Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control
At 4/12/2004 10:55 PM, you wrote: >A good way to reset one that has gotten this is use a big signal 5 or >10kc low and fool the agc limiter circuit Yes it will cause a reset but it has nothing to do with the limiter. >, the cas will drop and come >back verifying weak signal - this works with the no-timer method also if >you have a reset tone running. Neither net control nor the field units have time to do this in the middle of providing event communications. Better to just put the repeater in a "repeat-no-matter-what" mode. In fact, we used to put the CTCSS access repeaters in carrier squelch for the event until the low-level garbage got to the point where we just couldn't do that anymore. Then we told the volunteers they had to get CTCSS radios or we couldn't use their services anymore. AFAIK they all got toned. The stuck PTTs are impossible to totally eliminate. One year it rained & we had a couple of boom mic PTT switches short out. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
The control receiver frequency can be inside any amateur band above 222.15 MHz, and is kept secret for obvious reasons. In other words, pick a channel which you think has very little activity on it and/or isn't going to be monitored much. Steve WA6ZFT On Tuesday 21 September 2004 04:49, wa9ba wrote: > At a recent meeting buying or building a new control radio was > discussed. I remember reading years ago when the repeater was put on > the air for the first time that a control link must be 223 Mhz or > above to be a qualified control link. After searching part 97, I > cannot find the frequency for a link listed. > Has this requirement been lifed or can someone point me to the rule? > Bill WA9BA > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
97.213 and 97.201 213 tells how stations can be remotely controlled (telcommand), and that if done by radio, you must use an auxilliary station. 201 tells what an aux station is, and the freqs that they can use. Joe --- wa9ba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At a recent meeting buying or building a new control > radio was > discussed. I remember reading years ago when the > repeater was put on > the air for the first time that a control link must > be 223 Mhz or > above to be a qualified control link. After > searching part 97, I > cannot find the frequency for a link listed. > Has this requirement been lifed or can someone point > me to the rule? > Bill WA9BA > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
At 04:49 AM 9/21/04, you wrote: >At a recent meeting buying or building a new control radio was >discussed. I remember reading years ago when the repeater was put on >the air for the first time that a control link must be 223 Mhz or >above to be a qualified control link. After searching part 97, I >cannot find the frequency for a link listed. >Has this requirement been lifed or can someone point me to the rule? >Bill WA9BA There's one section that says how stations can be remotely controlled, and says that it has to be an aux station that does it. There is another that says that aux stations are on 222 or above. Locally most are on 420-430mhz or on 900mhz. Mike WA6ILQ Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
Kenwood 805d.. cheap on ebay, drops right into the hamband and is front panel programmable.. will do trunking or conventional. eBay Item number: 9728511521 is currently listed, but I have seen a number of them go by recently.. this is a good little radio. I use one for my 6m repeater control receiver and remote base. 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rfjones34 Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:11 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control I am looking for a single unit commercial radio that is programable from the keyboard for operation in the 420-449.99 ham band.I have been asked to control a local repeater and my 440 gear is limited to 440 and up in freq.I need the standard ham options,duplex,CTCSS in and out and flex channel splits.DTMF on the mic or keyboard would be nice but not necessary. Does anyone know of a list of commercial units (any Mfg) that will move to the 440 ham band without major programming or re-alignment?I hope someone has researched this before and I don't have to re-invent the wheel,so to speak. A great list,I read it faithfully.I hope to get more involved in repeater installs and maintenance,my experience is many years old when we built our machines with tube-type gear and climbed 1200 ft TV towers. 73, Bob W0OXJ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
Greetings, I would like to add a correction. Unless kenwood added some new feature to the Tk-805d, the unit was conventional only. Correct me if I'm wrong. Dirk - Original Message - From: "Mike Perryman K5JMP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control > Kenwood 805d.. cheap on ebay, drops right into the hamband and is front > panel programmable.. will do trunking or conventional. > eBay Item number: 9728511521 is currently listed, but I have seen a number > of them go by recently.. this is a good little radio. I use one for my > 6m > repeater control receiver and remote base. > > 73 > Mike > K5JMP > www.k5jmp.us > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rfjones34 > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:11 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control > > > I am looking for a single unit commercial radio that is programable > from the keyboard for operation in the 420-449.99 ham band.I have been > asked to control a local repeater and my 440 gear is limited to 440 and > up in freq.I need the standard ham options,duplex,CTCSS in and out and > flex channel splits.DTMF on the mic or keyboard would be nice but not > necessary. > > Does anyone know of a list of commercial units (any Mfg) that will move > to the 440 ham band without major programming or re-alignment?I hope > someone has researched this before and I don't have to re-invent the > wheel,so to speak. > > A great list,I read it faithfully.I hope to get more involved in > repeater installs and maintenance,my experience is many years old when > we built our machines with tube-type gear and climbed 1200 ft TV towers. > > 73, > Bob > W0OXJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 5/19/2006 > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
Dirk, You are correct... I was thinking of the TK-840... I have several of each in service. The 805"D" version is capable of DCS (Digital Coded Squelch). The TK805 (non-D) is the same radio but can only do CTCSS. Radio can be programmed for the following through the front panel: *TX and RX Frequencies, 12.5 kHz steps *Different TX and RX codes *Mixed CTCSS/DCS on same channel *Selectable scan delay time *Two selectable priority-scan "look-back" times (for a busy and non-busy priority channel) *Priority Scan - Fixed or "Selected Channel" I stand corrected 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of N2PDQ Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Greetings, I would like to add a correction. Unless kenwood added some new feature to the Tk-805d, the unit was conventional only. Correct me if I'm wrong. Dirk - Original Message - From: "Mike Perryman K5JMP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control > Kenwood 805d.. cheap on ebay, drops right into the hamband and is front > panel programmable.. will do trunking or conventional. > eBay Item number: 9728511521 is currently listed, but I have seen a number > of them go by recently.. this is a good little radio. I use one for my > 6m > repeater control receiver and remote base. > > 73 > Mike > K5JMP > www.k5jmp.us > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rfjones34 > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:11 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control > > > I am looking for a single unit commercial radio that is programable > from the keyboard for operation in the 420-449.99 ham band.I have been > asked to control a local repeater and my 440 gear is limited to 440 and > up in freq.I need the standard ham options,duplex,CTCSS in and out and > flex channel splits.DTMF on the mic or keyboard would be nice but not > necessary. > > Does anyone know of a list of commercial units (any Mfg) that will move > to the 440 ham band without major programming or re-alignment?I hope > someone has researched this before and I don't have to re-invent the > wheel,so to speak. > > A great list,I read it faithfully.I hope to get more involved in > repeater installs and maintenance,my experience is many years old when > we built our machines with tube-type gear and climbed 1200 ft TV towers. > > 73, > Bob > W0OXJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 5/19/2006 > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
Mike Perryman K5JMP wrote: > Kenwood 805d.. cheap on ebay, drops right into the hamband and is front > panel programmable.. will do trunking or conventional. uhh-no trunking on those, conventional only. The -1 (450-470) split will work fine down to about 430-435 with a little tweak of the front end. The -4 (406-430) split will be iffy above about 442 or so. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
Mike Perryman K5JMP wrote: > Kenwood 805d.. cheap on ebay, drops right into the hamband and is front > panel programmable.. will do trunking or conventional. uhh-no trunking on those, conventional only. The -1 (450-470) split will work fine down to about 430-435 with a little tweak of the front end. The -4 (406-430) split will be iffy above about 442 or so. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control
Yup, my error has been pointed out several times... I was thinking of the TK-840.. as you will see further down in your in-box... But thanks for paying attention... it helps to keep bad info from spreading. 73 Mike Perryman www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim B. Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Mike Perryman K5JMP wrote: > Kenwood 805d.. cheap on ebay, drops right into the hamband and is front > panel programmable.. will do trunking or conventional. uhh-no trunking on those, conventional only. The -1 (450-470) split will work fine down to about 430-435 with a little tweak of the front end. The -4 (406-430) split will be iffy above about 442 or so. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control]
> §97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. > An amateur station on or within 50 km of the Earth's surface may be > under telecommand where: > > (a) There is a radio or wireline control link between the control > point and the station sufficient for the control operator to perform > his/her duties. This is good for a LOT of things. I occasionally hear people complain that IRLP, Echolink, & eQSO systems are not legal because they are not controllable. If the operator of a IRLP/Echolink/eQSO system has his system set up for control over the internet that is legal, according to the FCC statement in 97.213a. I have a repeater located about 2000 miles away from me which I monitor and control thru an internet connection. Several times people have accused me of not being legal because I can not control my station. OBVIOUSLY, they are wrong. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2
New London Technologies has 19D417385G1 Control Boards in stock at $35 each, here: <https://www.newlondontechnology.com/ss/index.php?searchstring=19d417385g&x= 2&y=5> Note that the G1 board is for applications without Channel Guard; the G2 board is for applications with CG, and those boards cost $85 each. The information about the control board is found in LBI-30714, here: 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bratwhatwoman Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2 well here goes i would like to know if any has or knows where ican find the plug in controlercard no 417385g1 kf4kqe
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2
Note also that the Pion & Simon repeater controllers are designed to plug right into the MASTR II backplane shelf and replace a whole bunch of (maybe hard to find) GE boards while also adding a number of useful features. http://www.pionsimon.com/ Maybe worth a look... it's your call on that one... I've talked to them and like the things, I just haven't had a chance to order one and put it in service somewhere to try it out. Maybe others can comment on their experiences with them. Definitely a very "clean" way to get a MASTR II Station up and running in the smallest physical space possible without going back to a mobile MASTR II or making your own RF-tight assembly. Nate WY0X On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: > > > New London Technologies has 19D417385G1 Control Boards in stock at > $35 each, > here: > <https://www.newlondontechnology.com/ss/index.php?searchstring=19d417385g&x= > 2&y=5> > Note that the G1 board is for applications without Channel Guard; > the G2 > board is for applications with CG, and those boards cost $85 each. > > The information about the control board is found in LBI-30714, here: > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bratwhatwoman > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:51 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2 > > well here goes i would like to know if any has or knows where ican > find the > plug in controlercard no 417385g1 kf4kqe > > > -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com http://facebook.com/denverpilot http://twitter.com/denverpilot Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2
Cannot say enough good about the Pion and Simon MASTR II controller. Easy as pie and works VERY well. - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat Jun 27 17:33:16 2009 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2 Note also that the Pion & Simon repeater controllers are designed to plug right into the MASTR II backplane shelf and replace a whole bunch of (maybe hard to find) GE boards while also adding a number of useful features. http://www.pionsimon.com/ Maybe worth a look... it's your call on that one... I've talked to them and like the things, I just haven't had a chance to order one and put it in service somewhere to try it out. Maybe others can comment on their experiences with them. Definitely a very "clean" way to get a MASTR II Station up and running in the smallest physical space possible without going back to a mobile MASTR II or making your own RF-tight assembly. Nate WY0X On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: > > > New London Technologies has 19D417385G1 Control Boards in stock at > $35 each, > here: > <https://www.newlondontechnology.com/ss/index.php?searchstring=19d417385g&x= > 2&y=5> > Note that the G1 board is for applications without Channel Guard; > the G2 > board is for applications with CG, and those boards cost $85 each. > > The information about the control board is found in LBI-30714, here: > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bratwhatwoman > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:51 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] repeater control card for master 2 > > well here goes i would like to know if any has or knows where ican > find the > plug in controlercard no 417385g1 kf4kqe > > > -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com http://facebook.com/denverpilot http://twitter.com/denverpilot Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
You could get a Magic Jack and keep the same phone number and everything. The only thing that would change is the bill. Of course, this requires an internet connection. But, the cost of that plus the MJ could be lower than what you are paying now. Joe M. Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: > > > At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of > the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there > for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to > program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The > autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) > > > > Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and > programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, > having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of > potential, but frankly I don’t know why! It’d be nice to run an I-Gate > from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but > it’s not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as > well, but that’s not really much of a concern either. > > > > So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the > CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as > the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND > the other things I mentioned, it’d be a better deal. > > > > Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I’m not familiar with that > system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. > > > > 73, > > > > Mike > > WM4B > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
I would assume conversion of the line to naked dsl is possible offering control , net connection and voip it has potentual _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Mike, I use the internet to my repeater site to control everything. Including the AC, Heating, Packet, Alarm System, and controlling/programming the two CAT-1000s on the VHF and UHF repeaters. I am planning on adding IRLP as well as video feeds at the site. I use a program called VNC2. It is the free version and works very well for me. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
If you had an irlp box on site, you have a couple options for 'programming' a controller. You can remote into the irlp box as user repeater and make use of the dtmf regen function. This would allow you to send dtmf sequences OUT of the irlp box INTO the controller on the audio input. Or, if your controller uses raw serial data, your could remote into the irlp box and use the terminal program to 'connect' to the controller via serial ports. Good luck Kb0wlf From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 07/08/10 06:36:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? I'm hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, you've got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (I'm thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but don't have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Cook Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Mike, I use the internet to my repeater site to control everything. Including the AC, Heating, Packet, Alarm System, and controlling/programming the two CAT-1000s on the VHF and UHF repeaters. I am planning on adding IRLP as well as video feeds at the site. I use a program called VNC2. It is the free version and works very well for me. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Yet another option. 930Mhz serial data radios. I found a pair Data Link Group radios on eBay for $100. Would be like plugging it in to the back of your computer. There quite easy to get running. Well over 20miles LOS. And one of my radios was on an omni. I use them for weather stations and camera control. Have fun 73 Ross www.kc7rjk.net <http://www.kc7rjk.net/> -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
That'd work for me from my home QTH, but not for my other control ops or from my mobile. I'd like to have more than 20 miles range as well. It's an interesting idea though and I do know where I can get my hands on a couple of data radios. Thanks! 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ross Johnson Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:13 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Yet another option. 930Mhz serial data radios. I found a pair Data Link Group radios on eBay for $100. Would be like plugging it in to the back of your computer. There quite easy to get running. Well over 20miles LOS. And one of my radios was on an omni. I use them for weather stations and camera control. Have fun 73 Ross www.kc7rjk.net <http://www.kc7rjk.net/> -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
At 05:58 AM 07/09/10, you wrote: Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? I'm hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, you've got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (I'm thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but don't have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to "cross over" the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then "flip the DIP switch" remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Mike, Im thinking along the same lines as what youre saying. I got the manual out and found that I can remotely activate the serial port without having to flip the switch. Id thought of using a relay as well, but wanted to avoid any additional hardware. Both of the CAT ports are in use, but I might be about to parallel the audio into one of the ports to allow DTMF control as well. More to think about why do I get myself into these things?! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to "cross over" the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then "flip the DIP switch" remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Hi Mike, I think I already answered this. If not let me know.. OK? Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At 05:58 AM 07/09/10, you wrote: Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? Im hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, youve got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (Im thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but dont have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to "cross over" the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then "flip the DIP switch" remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Hi Guys, I started a few years back working on a DTMF Keypad locally to program the controllers. I needed to buffer the audio to make it work, but never finished it. Maybe someday I will. There used to be a company the sold a Keypad setup for the CAT Controllers. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Mike, Im thinking along the same lines as what youre saying. I got the manual out and found that I can remotely activate the serial port without having to flip the switch. Id thought of using a relay as well, but wanted to avoid any additional hardware. Both of the CAT ports are in use, but I might be about to parallel the audio into one of the ports to allow DTMF control as well. More to think about why do I get myself into these things?! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to "cross over" the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then "flip the DIP switch" remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Thanks Ken. this is looking interesting now! On the way to the site in a few minutes to swap out an APRS radio. Gonna have to look around a little! 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Cook Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Yes there is a DTMF command. Using the CAT-1000 Editor and Communication program. Start the terminal program and send 100 97 and this activiates the RS232 port. Type the password "cat1000" and I can send files to and from the controller. I program them off line and then load them. I also use a simple FTP server at the site to transfer files between my home and the site. Here is an attached file that may help you. 73.de Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? I'm hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, you've got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (I'm thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but don't have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Cook Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Mike, I use the internet to my repeater site to control everything. Including the AC, Heating, Packet, Alarm System, and controlling/programming the two CAT-1000s on the VHF and UHF repeaters. I am planning on adding IRLP as well as video feeds at the site. I use a program called VNC2. It is the free version and works very well for me. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Good Luck. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 & 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:00 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Thanks Ken. this is looking interesting now! On the way to the site in a few minutes to swap out an APRS radio. Gonna have to look around a little! 73, Mike WM4B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
For about 10 years I have been controlling my repeater using an internet connection. The repeater is 1900 miles away from me. Wireline control is legal for amateur radio! -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:31:52 PM PDT From: "Mike Besemer \(WM4B\)" To: Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line > At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the > phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the > Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the > controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely > used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) > > > > Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and > programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having > an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, > but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that > location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not > essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's > not really much of a concern either. > > > > So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the > CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the > phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other > things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. > > > > Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system > whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. > > > > 73, > > > > Mike > > WM4B > > > > > > > > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Yes it is. Care to describe your setup? 73, Mike WM4B ARRL O-O _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN MACKEY Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:15 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line For about 10 years I have been controlling my repeater using an internet connection. The repeater is 1900 miles away from me. Wireline control is legal for amateur radio! -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:31:52 PM PDT From: "Mike Besemer \(WM4B\)" mailto:mwbesemer%40cox.net> > To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line > At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the > phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the > Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the > controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely > used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) > > > > Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and > programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having > an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, > but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that > location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not > essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's > not really much of a concern either. > > > > So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the > CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the > phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other > things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. > > > > Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system > whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. > > > > 73, > > > > Mike > > WM4B > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Well since you have Internet you could also have VoIP phone to maintain the autopatch. CallCentric or another open peering provider etc On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:31 PM, "Mike Besemer \(WM4B\)" wrote: At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don’t know why! It’d be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it’s not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that’s not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it’d be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I’m not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
