RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for sale

[k7pfj]

Hi Larry,

 

I don't have to sell as a package so that is no problem at all. What are you
thinking on the repeater.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 Office

303-954-9693 Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Watkinson
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:45 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 

  

What I really want is the Kenwood. I  have a controller. If you end up with
a buyer for the controller, I would be interested in the Kenwood

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:28 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 







Hi Larry,

 

Please keep in mind that the complete repeater and controller is 5 month
old.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 Office

303-954-9693 Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Watkinson
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 

  

HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM?

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for
sale

 







Well I did it and changed the analog repeater setup to digital TDMA Mototrbo
today. I am going to sell the complete box ready to go minus the duplexer.
There is a version 2 Kenwood TKR-850K repeater, Link Comm. RLC4 Controller
that includes 2 Delay boards, and DVR board.  If interested please email me
off the list.

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for sale

[Larry Watkinson]

What I really want is the Kenwood. I  have a controller. If you end up with
a buyer for the controller, I would be interested in the Kenwood

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:28 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 






Hi Larry,

 

Please keep in mind that the complete repeater and controller is 5 month
old.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 Office

303-954-9693 Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Watkinson
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 

  

HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM?

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for
sale

 






Well I did it and changed the analog repeater setup to digital TDMA Mototrbo
today. I am going to sell the complete box ready to go minus the duplexer.
There is a version 2 Kenwood TKR-850K repeater, Link Comm. RLC4 Controller
that includes 2 Delay boards, and DVR board.  If interested please email me
off the list.

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

 













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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for sale

[k7pfj]

Hi Larry,

 

Please keep in mind that the complete repeater and controller is 5 month
old.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 Office

303-954-9693 Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Watkinson
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 

  

HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM?

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for
sale

 







Well I did it and changed the analog repeater setup to digital TDMA Mototrbo
today. I am going to sell the complete box ready to go minus the duplexer.
There is a version 2 Kenwood TKR-850K repeater, Link Comm. RLC4 Controller
that includes 2 Delay boards, and DVR board.  If interested please email me
off the list.

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for sale

[k7pfj]

Hi Larry,

 

I will take $1650 for the repeater and controller. If you want it please
call me if you want it.

 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 Office

303-954-9693 Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Watkinson
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4
for sale

 

  

HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM?

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for
sale

 







Well I did it and changed the analog repeater setup to digital TDMA Mototrbo
today. I am going to sell the complete box ready to go minus the duplexer.
There is a version 2 Kenwood TKR-850K repeater, Link Comm. RLC4 Controller
that includes 2 Delay boards, and DVR board.  If interested please email me
off the list.

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for sale

[Larry Watkinson]

HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM?

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater TKR-850 and Link Comm RLC4 for
sale

 






Well I did it and changed the analog repeater setup to digital TDMA Mototrbo
today. I am going to sell the complete box ready to go minus the duplexer.
There is a version 2 Kenwood TKR-850K repeater, Link Comm. RLC4 Controller
that includes 2 Delay boards, and DVR board.  If interested please email me
off the list.

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

 








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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[Yahoo]

The COS signal can be changed by using the 760(TOR) firmware. While I would
not use a low power 25 watt unit, a H series turned down to 20 watts will
perform very well. While the heat sink appears to be a small footprint, it
uses the entire frame and was designed by NASA for maximum heat dissipation
(as long as the glue holds on the tile!). The Icom IC-Fx21 series radio uses
the same design. Make sure the radio is mounted horizontally with free air
flow. Do not stack mobiles on top of each other no matter what brand you end
up using. If you add a computer style fan to push air up through the heat
sink fins the radio will run continuously at 10-15 watts dependant on
ambient temperature. You can use a KCT-19 cable or make your own with
standard Molex ZHR conn / SZH pin mini connectors and Molex .062 connectors.
If you want the Digikey part numbers I can send them to you.

Jeff



-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:15 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

Peter,

In addition to its very limited heat sink area due to its compact size, the
TK-760 has one deficiency that limits its usefulness as a receiver in a
repeater system:  The COS signal that is available with the KCT-19 accessory
cable is carrier only; the radio has no signal that indicates when a carrier
with the proper CTCSS or CDCSS tone is received.  If you plan to run your
repeater with carrier squelch only, this will not be a problem.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota
Summerhawk
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:43 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

I have a few of the TK-760's that I have been playing with the idea of
thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would it
take? 

Thanks 

Peter Dakota Summerhawk






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[Eric Lemmon]

Peter,

In addition to its very limited heat sink area due to its compact size, the
TK-760 has one deficiency that limits its usefulness as a receiver in a
repeater system:  The COS signal that is available with the KCT-19 accessory
cable is carrier only; the radio has no signal that indicates when a carrier
with the proper CTCSS or CDCSS tone is received.  If you plan to run your
repeater with carrier squelch only, this will not be a problem.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota
Summerhawk
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:43 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

I have a few of the TK-760's that I have been playing with the idea of
thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would it
take? 

Thanks 

Peter Dakota Summerhawk

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[k7pfj]

Peter,

They will cover the ham bands and work very well at that.

Mike

-- Original message -- 
From: "Peter Dakota Summerhawk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Ok the reason I asked is that we are thinking of putting up a repeater for 
special events. Would a couple of GM or GR300 work well for this? I know you 
cold not use them full duty 100% but they would work for temp special event 
repeaters? I have yet to find a couple of 2CH models that cover the ham bands. 
Anyone know of a source of the units?

Thanks
Peter Dakota Summerhawk

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Mike Mullarkey
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:46 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

Hi Peter,

The TK-760 radios are great radios; however, I would post them on EBay and get 
a few Motorola SM-50 radios. All the connections are on the back on the 
Motorola and on the Kenwood, you will need to modify the radios to get TOR (PL) 
out of it and know where exactly to pick it off. If you get the Motorola radios 
try to get the high power radios and they will play nice at 20wt. Not in 
Continuous duty mode. Now if you drill out the 4 screw holes on the bottom and 
mill the bottom of the radio so then you can add a nice heat sink to it. Then 
they will operate in continuous mode but no more than 20wt.

The first version was to mount a small fan on the bottom but ended up using the 
heat sink method and found it much more reliable.

I have had more than 30+ full duplex links made out of these radios and have 
never had a unit fail. Take your time and plan your project and it will pay off 
if you do it the right way.

Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ)





From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

I have a few of the TK-760’s that I have been playing with the idea of thinking 
of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would it take?

Thanks

Peter Dakota Summerhawk


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Ok the reason I asked is that we are thinking of putting up a repeater
for special events. Would a couple of GM or GR300 work well for this? I
know you cold not use them full duty 100% but they would work for temp
special event repeaters? I have yet to find a couple of 2CH models that
cover the ham bands. Anyone know of a source of the units?
 
Thanks
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
 
-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:46 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question
 
Hi Peter,
 
The TK-760 radios are great radios; however, I would post them on EBay
and get a few Motorola SM-50 radios. All the connections are on the back
on the Motorola and on the Kenwood, you will need to modify the radios
to get TOR (PL) out of it and know where exactly to pick it off. If you
get the Motorola radios try to get the high power radios and they will
play nice at 20wt. Not in Continuous duty mode. Now if you drill out the
4 screw holes on the bottom and mill the bottom of the radio so then you
can add a nice heat sink to it. Then they will operate in continuous
mode but no more than 20wt.
 
The first version was to mount a small fan on the bottom but ended up
using the heat sink method and found it much more reliable.
 
I have had more than 30+ full duplex links made out of these radios and
have never had a unit fail. Take your time and plan your project and it
will pay off if you do it the right way.
 
Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ)
 
 
   _  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota
Summerhawk
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question
 
I have a few of the TK-760’s that I have been playing with the idea of
thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would
it take?
 
Thanks
 
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
 
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[Mike Mullarkey]

Hi Peter,

 

The TK-760 radios are great radios; however, I would post them on EBay and
get a few Motorola SM-50 radios. All the connections are on the back on the
Motorola and on the Kenwood, you will need to modify the radios to get TOR
(PL) out of it and know where exactly to pick it off. If you get the
Motorola radios try to get the high power radios and they will play nice at
20wt. Not in Continuous duty mode. Now if you drill out the 4 screw holes on
the bottom and mill the bottom of the radio so then you can add a nice heat
sink to it. Then they will operate in continuous mode but no more than 20wt.

 

The first version was to mount a small fan on the bottom but ended up using
the heat sink method and found it much more reliable.

 

I have had more than 30+ full duplex links made out of these radios and have
never had a unit fail. Take your time and plan your project and it will pay
off if you do it the right way.

 

Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ)

 

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota
Summerhawk
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

 

I have a few of the TK-760's that I have been playing with the idea of
thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would it
take?

 

Thanks

 

Peter Dakota Summerhawk

 

 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

[XE2SI]

You have a very good choice if you go with the Kenwood 
TKR750
for VHF or TKR850 for UHF, they have allrady a conector for 
DC
operation and better yet it can be taken of the 19" rack and 
it
goes to a very small "black box", has enough power output, 
good
receiver and there is all kind of inputs/outputs programables 
in 
a DB25 in the back like a;armmas for low voltage 
etc.
Juan
> 
  > Dakota Summerhawk wrote:> >> Was curious as to what kind 
  of Kenwood repeater can be used for mobile> communications? and what 
  kind of specs there are for them. Needing amp> draw and the like for 
  setting up a special event repeater. would like to> have both VHF and 
  UHF repeaters in the van for events that need one or> both. Can someone 
  help me out?













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

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Well for what it is worth maxtracs are very inexpensive just turn the power 
down and add a 12 volt fan on the radios. I have a crossband and a uhf repeater 
built with these, they are only temporary repeaters but have never failed me or 
search & rescue, yet the 1225 repeaters do have a kick ass heat sink and if 
cooled with a fan will last for quite some time, my friend that services a uhf 
trunked passport system uses 1225 repeaters on many of the sites and has only 
had to replace a few of the
pa's so far.bob


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

[Eric Lemmon]

That may be true, but the TKR-720 and -820 repeaters are desktop units
that run on 120 VAC:

http://www.jkcomm.com/pdf/TKR-720N-820N.pdf

The poster's question concerned only 13.8 VDC repeaters, of which the
TKR-750 and -850 are typical.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


Maire Company wrote:
> 
> Just got a factory news release on the TKR-720 and TKR-820  as of October
> they will go away.  Last production run.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?
> 
> > Kenwood's low-tier commercial repeaters TKR-750 (VHF) and TKR-850 (UHF)
> > are fairly reliable and are relatively inexpensive.  Both of them
> > operate on 13.8 VDC.  Go here for more info:
> >
> > http://www.prairiemobile.com/Docs/TKR-750_Brochure.pdf
> >
> > Another option is buy Motorola R1225 transceivers (not the packaged
> > GR1225 version) and mount them in your own carrying case.  The R1225 is
> > available in VHF and UHF, in 10W and 45/50W versions.
> >
> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> >
> > > Dakota Summerhawk wrote:
> > >
> > Was curious as to what kind of Kenwood repeater can be used for mobile
> > communications? and what kind of specs there are for them. Needing amp
> > draw and the like for setting up a special event repeater. would like to
> > have both VHF and UHF repeaters in the van for events that need one or
> > both. Can someone help me out?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

[Maire Company]

Just got a factory news release on the TKR-720 and TKR-820  as of October
they will go away.  Last production run.


- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?


> Kenwood's low-tier commercial repeaters TKR-750 (VHF) and TKR-850 (UHF)
> are fairly reliable and are relatively inexpensive.  Both of them
> operate on 13.8 VDC.  Go here for more info:
>
> http://www.prairiemobile.com/Docs/TKR-750_Brochure.pdf
>
> Another option is buy Motorola R1225 transceivers (not the packaged
> GR1225 version) and mount them in your own carrying case.  The R1225 is
> available in VHF and UHF, in 10W and 45/50W versions.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
> > Dakota Summerhawk wrote:
> >
> Was curious as to what kind of Kenwood repeater can be used for mobile
> communications? and what kind of specs there are for them. Needing amp
> draw and the like for setting up a special event repeater. would like to
> have both VHF and UHF repeaters in the van for events that need one or
> both. Can someone help me out?
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

[Eric Lemmon]

Kenwood's low-tier commercial repeaters TKR-750 (VHF) and TKR-850 (UHF)
are fairly reliable and are relatively inexpensive.  Both of them
operate on 13.8 VDC.  Go here for more info:

http://www.prairiemobile.com/Docs/TKR-750_Brochure.pdf

Another option is buy Motorola R1225 transceivers (not the packaged
GR1225 version) and mount them in your own carrying case.  The R1225 is
available in VHF and UHF, in 10W and 45/50W versions.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

> Dakota Summerhawk wrote:
> 
Was curious as to what kind of Kenwood repeater can be used for mobile
communications? and what kind of specs there are for them. Needing amp
draw and the like for setting up a special event repeater. would like to
have both VHF and UHF repeaters in the van for events that need one or
both. Can someone help me out?




 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

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Title: Message











Either the old 20 series or the newer 50
series would make good event repeaters running 20 watts.  Both are capable of
running off of DC (the 20 requires a mod and a power plug, the 50 has the
battery input already as it doesn't include a power supply), either one in
transmit duty probably won't take more than 7 amps at 13.8.

 

 



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3:25 PM
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Kenwood repeater, mobile?

 



Was curious as to what kind of
Kenwood repeater can be used for mobile communications? and what kind of specs
there are for them. Needing amp draw and the like for setting up a special
event repeater. wouldl like to have both VHF and UHF repeaters in the van for
events that need one or both. Can someone helpe me out?





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[W9DHI]

You'd probably have to code a new eprom.  I don't know what the current
prices are but the last time I bought some from Kenwood (1994), they were
around 1900.  That was without an amp or controller, the exciter puts out
100 to 700 milliwatts.


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-Original Message-
From: Richard W. Solomon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:15 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


It says to ..."dial in the FCC Channel Number"...
Not very useful for Ham use (39 MHz split).
Unless they will provide a new EPROM for 25 MHz split.

Any idea on pricing ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: W9DHI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:36 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



http://www.maceinconline.com/kenwood/repeaters/900_repeater_transceiver.html


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-Original Message-
From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[kd6hcn]

Great posting Steve!

But as you satated in your first paragragh on not
receiving funding from FEMA then why do you sign your
emails indicating the oposite?

Capt. Steve Helton <Wanna Be.
Communications Division
Emergency Support Services
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Cincinnati CERT Task Force
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Regards, Barry

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater
> 
> Let me respond to your statements one at a time.
> 
> First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however
> receive any Federal or
> State funding. Most of our funds come from private
> sources. There are only
> about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we
> were the first of our
> kind in Ohio.
> 
> Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood
> Factory Authorized Dealer
> who then refused to support us after the repeater
> failed within the first
> hour after the initial installation. That is when we
> went directly to
> Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their
> dealer failed to perform
> but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do
> so. I even have e-mails
> from the dealer promising to refund our money and
> assuring us they would
> send a call tag for the unit. None of the promises
> were ever fulfilled and
> Kenwood never forced the dealer to fulfill them even
> though Kenwood was
> provided with copies of the e-mail's we received
> from the dealer. We tried
> to work with Kenwood but it got us no where except
> for them to continue to
> tell us to return it each time so they could fix it.
> The repeated problem
> was with the PA deck on the unit. They replaced
> various pieces within the
> unit and it failed soon after we got the unit back
> each time. I must point
> out that since last fall when we finally installed a
> Motorola repeater at
> the tower site we have been up and running without
> problem with the
> hardline, antenna and other equipment that we
> originally installed at the
> site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site
> for installation. I
> have an extensive background as do several other
> members of our team in G.E.
> and Motorola commercial radio equipment having
> worked in that field for a
> number of years. We have our own in house
> professionals. In addition our
> team is attached to the City of Cincinnati Fire
> Department and we work
> closely with the cities radio tech department as
> well. We have "experts"
> running out of our ears. The last thing we needed to
> do was go outside and
> hire someone to tell us what we already knew, the
> Kenwood repeater kept
> blowing through no fault or ours or the equipment
> that is was attached to.
> 
> Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the
> Greater Cincinnati metro area
> including amateur, commercial and public safety on
> various bands. We have a
> combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some
> sites having been in
> service for over 10 years with little or no
> intervention on our part except
> for site visits about every six months to check
> equipment and make log
> entries at the site. In fact we just retired a G.E.
> repeater that I helped
> design a custom controller for almost 15 years ago.
> That repeater has worked
> flawlessly over the years and was just replaced with
> new Motorola equipment.
> The Kenwood repeater was purchased after we were
> granted access to a tower
> site that would extend our coverage into outlying
> areas in several counties
> north of Cincinnati. Because of the high profile
> location of the tower we
> did not want to transfer any of our existing
> equipment to it but rather
> thought it would be better to buy all new equipment.
> New repeater, new
> antenna, new polyphaser equipment, new emergency
> power systems and new
> Andrews hardline and fittings. This is what brought
> about the purchase of
> the Kenwood repeater.
> 
> Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling
> regularly to military
> facilities around the country so I had to deal with
> this issue when I was in
> town and had time and I was not the original person
> that began dealing with
> the issues but rather picked it up later in the
> struggle. Kenwood kept
> refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.
> 
> Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the
> repeater up just after
> one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center
> on our test bench into a
> dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but
> by just turning on the
> power to the u

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Richard W. Solomon]

It says to ..."dial in the FCC Channel Number"...
Not very useful for Ham use (39 MHz split).
Unless they will provide a new EPROM for 25 MHz split.

Any idea on pricing ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: W9DHI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:36 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



http://www.maceinconline.com/kenwood/repeaters/900_repeater_transceiver.html


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-Original Message-
From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Richard W. Solomon]

Systems stops at the TKR-850, no TKR-902's ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: Phil Hebert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:49 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



Not any more, only links to TKR 750/850 family

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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


Go to the systems portion on the site..you'll then see the 900 repeaters.


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Phil Hebert]

Not any more, only links to TKR 750/850 family

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Go to the systems portion on the site..you'll then see the 900 repeaters.


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Mike Mullarkey]

Steve,

Please list the dealer in your next e-mail.

Oregon Repeater Linking Group
Mike Mullarkey
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however receive any Federal or
State funding. Most of our funds come from private sources. There are only
about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we were the first of our
kind in Ohio.

Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood Factory Authorized Dealer
who then refused to support us after the repeater failed within the first
hour after the initial installation. That is when we went directly to
Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their dealer failed to perform
but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do so. I even have e-mails
from the dealer promising to refund our money and assuring us they would
send a call tag for the unit. None of the promises were ever fulfilled and
Kenwood never forced the dealer to fulfill them even though Kenwood was
provided with copies of the e-mail's we received from the dealer. We tried
to work with Kenwood but it got us no where except for them to continue to
tell us to return it each time so they could fix it. The repeated problem
was with the PA deck on the unit. They replaced various pieces within the
unit and it failed soon after we got the unit back each time. I must point
out that since last fall when we finally installed a Motorola repeater at
the tower site we have been up and running without problem with the
hardline, antenna and other equipment that we originally installed at the
site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site for installation. I
have an extensive background as do several other members of our team in G.E.
and Motorola commercial radio equipment having worked in that field for a
number of years. We have our own in house professionals. In addition our
team is attached to the City of Cincinnati Fire Department and we work
closely with the cities radio tech department as well. We have "experts"
running out of our ears. The last thing we needed to do was go outside and
hire someone to tell us what we already knew, the Kenwood repeater kept
blowing through no fault or ours or the equipment that is was attached to.

Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati metro area
including amateur, commercial and public safety on various bands. We have a
combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some sites having been in
service for over 10 years with little or no intervention on our part except
for site visits about every six months to check equipment and make log
entries at the site. In fact we just retired a G.E. repeater that I helped
design a custom controller for almost 15 years ago. That repeater has worked
flawlessly over the years and was just replaced with new Motorola equipment.
The Kenwood repeater was purchased after we were granted access to a tower
site that would extend our coverage into outlying areas in several counties
north of Cincinnati. Because of the high profile location of the tower we
did not want to transfer any of our existing equipment to it but rather
thought it would be better to buy all new equipment. New repeater, new
antenna, new polyphaser equipment, new emergency power systems and new
Andrews hardline and fittings. This is what brought about the purchase of
the Kenwood repeater.

Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling regularly to military
facilities around the country so I had to deal with this issue when I was in
town and had time and I was not the original person that began dealing with
the issues but rather picked it up later in the struggle. Kenwood kept
refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.

Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the repeater up just after
one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center on our test bench into a
dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but by just turning on the
power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear of the unit and died.
This was the point at which I contacted our attorney general.

Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no longer buy Kenwood repeater
equipment.

I can assure you that this is the complete story and I can also assure you
it is fully documented.

This is not "complaining" but rather a WARNING of what might happen if you
deal with Kenwood.

Bottom line, the Kenwood equipment failed to perform then the Factory
Authorized Dealer Failed to perform and then Kenwood Failed to perform even
though they were given every opportunity to do so.

You may be loyal to Kenwood but you cannot defend an indefensible position

"Buyer be ware!" (this is the last I will say on the subject)


Capt. Steve Helton
Communications Division

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[W9DHI]

Go to the systems portion on the site..you'll then see the 900 repeaters.


Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org
K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57
Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC
 


-Original Message-
From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Jed Barton]

Steve, here is the short anser to the problem. 
You just got a bad unit. 
I help maintain 4 kenwood repeaters, and they never fail. 
In fact, we're putting in a kenwood for our local PD.  
It ain't all about motorola my friend.
You just got a bad unit, pure and simple.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:12 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however receive any Federal
or State funding. Most of our funds come from private sources. There are
only about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we were the first
of our kind in Ohio.

Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood Factory Authorized
Dealer who then refused to support us after the repeater failed within
the first hour after the initial installation. That is when we went
directly to Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their dealer
failed to perform but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do so.
I even have e-mails from the dealer promising to refund our money and
assuring us they would send a call tag for the unit. None of the
promises were ever fulfilled and Kenwood never forced the dealer to
fulfill them even though Kenwood was provided with copies of the
e-mail's we received from the dealer. We tried to work with Kenwood but
it got us no where except for them to continue to tell us to return it
each time so they could fix it. The repeated problem was with the PA
deck on the unit. They replaced various pieces within the unit and it
failed soon after we got the unit back each time. I must point out that
since last fall when we finally installed a Motorola repeater at the
tower site we have been up and running without problem with the
hardline, antenna and other equipment that we originally installed at
the site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site for
installation. I have an extensive background as do several other members
of our team in G.E. and Motorola commercial radio equipment having
worked in that field for a number of years. We have our own in house
professionals. In addition our team is attached to the City of
Cincinnati Fire Department and we work closely with the cities radio
tech department as well. We have "experts" running out of our ears. The
last thing we needed to do was go outside and hire someone to tell us
what we already knew, the Kenwood repeater kept blowing through no fault
or ours or the equipment that is was attached to.

Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati metro
area including amateur, commercial and public safety on various bands.
We have a combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some sites
having been in service for over 10 years with little or no intervention
on our part except for site visits about every six months to check
equipment and make log entries at the site. In fact we just retired a
G.E. repeater that I helped design a custom controller for almost 15
years ago. That repeater has worked flawlessly over the years and was
just replaced with new Motorola equipment. The Kenwood repeater was
purchased after we were granted access to a tower site that would extend
our coverage into outlying areas in several counties north of
Cincinnati. Because of the high profile location of the tower we did not
want to transfer any of our existing equipment to it but rather thought
it would be better to buy all new equipment. New repeater, new antenna,
new polyphaser equipment, new emergency power systems and new Andrews
hardline and fittings. This is what brought about the purchase of the
Kenwood repeater.

Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling regularly to military
facilities around the country so I had to deal with this issue when I
was in town and had time and I was not the original person that began
dealing with the issues but rather picked it up later in the struggle.
Kenwood kept refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.

Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the repeater up just
after one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center on our test
bench into a dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but by just
turning on the power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear of the
unit and died. This was the point at which I contacted our attorney
general.

Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no longer buy Kenwood
repeater equipment.

I can assure you that this is the complete story and I can also assure
you it is fully documented.

This is not "complaining" but rather a WARNING of what might happen if
you deal with Kenwood.

Bottom line, the Kenwood equipment failed to perform then the Factory
Authorized Dealer Failed to perform and then Kenwood Failed to perform
even though they were given every opportunity to do so.

You may be loyal to Kenwood bu

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[russ]

Hello All,
I do not know about there web page but here you is what you can buy from
your Kenwood dealer.
For mobile 900 MHz the TK-981 works very well but have your Kenwood dealer
tune it down to 902 to 927. Or order it that way.
For a repeater we use the Kenwood TKR-901 here again have your dealer order
it for 901 and 927 if you can't find a dealer who speaks 900 MHz contact me
off line ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I will send you the nice folks that we use for
our Kenwood repeaters.
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH
Trustee Metro-Comm, INC.
Ham repeater net work, W3PS.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Edgar McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


> I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
> find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.
>
> What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?
>
> Ed - kb8qru
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Nate Duehr]

Steve Helton wrote:
> Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

Thanks for the clarification.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Steve Helton]

Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however receive any Federal or
State funding. Most of our funds come from private sources. There are only
about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we were the first of our
kind in Ohio.

Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood Factory Authorized Dealer
who then refused to support us after the repeater failed within the first
hour after the initial installation. That is when we went directly to
Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their dealer failed to perform
but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do so. I even have e-mails
from the dealer promising to refund our money and assuring us they would
send a call tag for the unit. None of the promises were ever fulfilled and
Kenwood never forced the dealer to fulfill them even though Kenwood was
provided with copies of the e-mail's we received from the dealer. We tried
to work with Kenwood but it got us no where except for them to continue to
tell us to return it each time so they could fix it. The repeated problem
was with the PA deck on the unit. They replaced various pieces within the
unit and it failed soon after we got the unit back each time. I must point
out that since last fall when we finally installed a Motorola repeater at
the tower site we have been up and running without problem with the
hardline, antenna and other equipment that we originally installed at the
site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site for installation. I
have an extensive background as do several other members of our team in G.E.
and Motorola commercial radio equipment having worked in that field for a
number of years. We have our own in house professionals. In addition our
team is attached to the City of Cincinnati Fire Department and we work
closely with the cities radio tech department as well. We have "experts"
running out of our ears. The last thing we needed to do was go outside and
hire someone to tell us what we already knew, the Kenwood repeater kept
blowing through no fault or ours or the equipment that is was attached to.

Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati metro area
including amateur, commercial and public safety on various bands. We have a
combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some sites having been in
service for over 10 years with little or no intervention on our part except
for site visits about every six months to check equipment and make log
entries at the site. In fact we just retired a G.E. repeater that I helped
design a custom controller for almost 15 years ago. That repeater has worked
flawlessly over the years and was just replaced with new Motorola equipment.
The Kenwood repeater was purchased after we were granted access to a tower
site that would extend our coverage into outlying areas in several counties
north of Cincinnati. Because of the high profile location of the tower we
did not want to transfer any of our existing equipment to it but rather
thought it would be better to buy all new equipment. New repeater, new
antenna, new polyphaser equipment, new emergency power systems and new
Andrews hardline and fittings. This is what brought about the purchase of
the Kenwood repeater.

Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling regularly to military
facilities around the country so I had to deal with this issue when I was in
town and had time and I was not the original person that began dealing with
the issues but rather picked it up later in the struggle. Kenwood kept
refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.

Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the repeater up just after
one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center on our test bench into a
dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but by just turning on the
power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear of the unit and died.
This was the point at which I contacted our attorney general.

Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no longer buy Kenwood repeater
equipment.

I can assure you that this is the complete story and I can also assure you
it is fully documented.

This is not "complaining" but rather a WARNING of what might happen if you
deal with Kenwood.

Bottom line, the Kenwood equipment failed to perform then the Factory
Authorized Dealer Failed to perform and then Kenwood Failed to perform even
though they were given every opportunity to do so.

You may be loyal to Kenwood but you cannot defend an indefensible position

"Buyer be ware!" (this is the last I will say on the subject)


Capt. Steve Helton
Communications Division
Emergency Support Services
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Cincinnati CERT Task Force
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Nate Duehr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 22:40
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

Steve Helton wrot

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Charles Miller]

Steve,

Our club purchased a 750 from a shop in CA, We had the thing mated to the
controller, tuned up, and have not had a single problem.

I also belong to another group that purchased 7 850's from another dealer in
WA. One of the units did not work correctly and we had to send the unit to
Kenwood for repair. The problem with that was the "dealer" was not an
authorized dealer and the unit was out of warranty the day we purchased it.
We did have some problems with Kenwood, but they did take care of it by
replacing the repeater.

Kenwood position was the unit was sold by an authorized dealer to another
company, that started the warranty period. They were unable to sell it
during the warranty period and the manufactures warranty run out. The dealer
we purchased the unit from advertised as a Kenwood dealer, not a Authorized
Kenwood Dealer. This is what started our problems.

We had to take them to court here in Texas under false advertising laws, and
we won. Kenwood did replace the unit but only after several well worded
letters from our attorney regarding Texas Law. We were not able to get
anything else from Kenwood, but we were able to recover some money from the
dealer that sold us the equipment. The dealer will not sell anything to
anyone in Texas as a result of our lawsuit, and we will not purchase
anything from them ever.

Lucky for us the repeaters have not had a single problem in the 3 years they
have been on the air. This includes the replacement repeater.

If you have not talked to the president of Kenwood USA then I might suggest
that you give him a jingle, also document the problems that you have had and
forward them to the your local BBB and the BBB where they are located. If
they are a member they might be able to help as the BBB does not like to see
there members having problems. They can help in more ways then one.

Good luck

Charles Miller

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Mullarkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


Steve,



I do believe that if you were dealing with Cheryl she would have done
everything she could do to help you out. She is a great person to have if
you have a problem.





Oregon Repeater Linking Group

Mike Mullarkey



www.orlg.org





-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



We were dealing directly with Kenwood (Cheryl Daly [
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I wrote numerous
e-mails over many months. Let me be clear that it was only after we
contacted the Attorney General's office and threatened Kenwood with legal
action that they finally agreed to replace the "Lemon" with a new one. This
was only after the unit had been to both the East coast AND West coast
Kenwood repair facilities numerous times without success. We are still out
between $200 and $300 from this event that Kenwood has refused to reimburse
us for (for shipping cost back to Kenwood repeatedly). We were told we would
be reimbursed (I have multiple e-mails to that effect) but it has never
happened.



We sold the unit and got most (not all) of the money that we originally paid
for it back.



My point is that if an agency like ours cannot rely on Kenwood then the
average Joe does not stand a chance. They failed in their corporate
responsibility. The other part of this problem is that a high profile tower
owner gave us the top spot on their 350+' tower for this system and we kept
having to go back to the tower over and over and over and over and over
again. It caused us issues with the tower owner that we are just now
overcoming.



I might be willing to rethink my position on Kenwood if they would ever
return all of the money we lost during the time we had their product. Maybe
some of you dealers could tell us where to go within Kenwood to get our
money back.







Capt. Steve Helton

Communications Division

Emergency Support Services

Federal Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force

[EMAIL PROTECTED]





  _

From: Maire Company [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 13:59
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

We are also a Kenwood dealer and had to have some radio's for some of our
customers that are doing some work with the current weather problems in
Florida.  Well UPS  some how lost the units.  Kenwood sent out a replacement
order late Friday night for Saturday so the we could get this done.  They
went the extra mile and I say Kenwood did a great job at it.



thanks   I think you should rethink your thought about Kenwood.

John





- Original Message - 

From: W9DHI <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, Septembe

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Mike Mullarkey]

Steve,

 

I do believe that if you were dealing with
Cheryl she would have done everything she could do to help you out. She is a great
person to have if you have a problem.

 

 



Oregon Repeater Linking Group

Mike Mullarkey

 

www.orlg.org

 

 



-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday,
 September 15, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]
Kenwood Repeater

 

We were dealing directly
with Kenwood (Cheryl Daly [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]). I wrote numerous e-mails over many months. Let me be clear that
it was only after we contacted the Attorney General's office and threatened
Kenwood with legal action that they finally agreed to replace the
"Lemon" with a new one. This was only after the unit had been to both
the East coast AND West coast Kenwood repair facilities numerous times
without success. We are still out between $200 and $300 from this event that
Kenwood has refused to reimburse us for (for shipping cost back to Kenwood
repeatedly). We were told we would be reimbursed (I have multiple e-mails to
that effect) but it has never happened. 

 

We sold the unit and got
most (not all) of the money that we originally paid for it back. 

 

My point is that if an
agency like ours cannot rely on Kenwood then the average Joe does not stand a
chance. They failed in their corporate responsibility. The other part of this
problem is that a high profile tower owner gave us the top spot on their 350+'
tower for this system and we kept having to go back to the tower over and over
and over and over and over again. It caused us issues with the tower owner that
we are just now overcoming. 

 

I might be willing to
rethink my position on Kenwood if they would ever return all of the money we
lost during the time we had their product. Maybe some of you dealers could tell
us where to go within Kenwood to get our money back.

 

 

 

Capt.
Steve Helton

Communications
Division

Emergency
Support Services

Federal
Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



 



 







From: Maire Company
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday,
 September 15, 2004 13:59
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]
Kenwood Repeater



We are
also a Kenwood dealer and had to have some radio's for some of our customers
that are doing some work with the current weather problems in Florida.  Well
UPS  some how lost the units.  Kenwood sent out a replacement order
late Friday night for Saturday so the we could get this done.  They went
the extra mile and I say Kenwood did a great job at it.  





 





thanks  
I think you should rethink your thought about Kenwood.





John





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: W9DHI 





To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 





Sent: Wednesday,
 September 15, 2004 1:27 PM





Subject: RE:
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater





 



Steve I think you have
more than a problem with Kenwood…it's either your dealer or the way the
situation was handled.  I was a Kenwood dealer for over 20 years (retired
last year), and Kenwood was always responsive to our needs.  I've had
"LEMONS" from every manufacturer including Kenwood and never had a
problem with them replacing the unit…no matter what it was…if I
said I wanted it exchanged..they exchanged it.  There has been a lot of
talk of buying from Kenwood Dealers that don't service their equipment but send
it in to the Depot.  Personally I would never deal with a company that
didn't have the technical expertise to maintain and repair the equipment they
sold.  We always repaired all the equipment we sold "IN HOUSE",
except for DOA's which we promptly got an exchange for the unit or a credit to
our account.

 

So all of that
said…I really don't think Kenwood was the problem….it was whoever
was in-between and apparently whomever you purchased the unit from apparently
is one of these companies that doesn't "SERVICE WHAT THEY SELL".

 

If they can't service it,
then they shouldn't sell it…..end of story.

 

 



Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org
K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57
Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC





NØATH



CLIP

It may help to point out that we have several members of our team
who have years of experience with commercial two way. We have all of the
appropriate equipment and operate a number of other repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati area on Amateur, commercial, Public Safety and GMRS. Needless to
say we no longer own anything Kenwood since we need things we can rely on and a
manufacturer that we can rely on to honor their warranty. Kenwood does not do
fit that criteria.



 





Capt. Steve Helton

Communications Division

Emergency Support Services

Federal Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Nate Duehr]

Steve Helton wrote:

> We were dealing directly with Kenwood (Cheryl Daly 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]). I wrote 
> numerous e-mails over many months. Let me be clear that it was only 
> after we contacted the Attorney General's office and threatened 
> Kenwood with legal action that they finally agreed to replace the 
> "Lemon" with a new one. This was only after the unit had been to both 
> the East coast AND West coast Kenwood repair facilities numerous times 
> without success. We are still out between $200 and $300 from this 
> event that Kenwood has refused to reimburse us for (for shipping cost 
> back to Kenwood repeatedly). We were told we would be reimbursed (I 
> have multiple e-mails to that effect) but it has never happened.
>  
> We sold the unit and got most (not all) of the money that we 
> originally paid for it back.
>  
> My point is that if an agency like ours cannot rely on Kenwood then 
> the average Joe does not stand a chance. They failed in their 
> corporate responsibility. The other part of this problem is that a 
> high profile tower owner gave us the top spot on their 350+' tower for 
> this system and we kept having to go back to the tower over and over 
> and over and over and over again. It caused us issues with the tower 
> owner that we are just now overcoming.
>  
> I might be willing to rethink my position on Kenwood if they would 
> ever return all of the money we lost during the time we had their 
> product. Maybe some of you dealers could tell us where to go within 
> Kenwood to get our money back.
>  
>  
>  
>
> *Capt. Steve Helton*
>
> *Communications Division*
>
> *Emergency Support Services*
>
> *Federal Emergency Management Agency*
>
> *Cincinnati CERT Task Force*
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
>

Now before you go get all huffy and upset ('cause there seems to be a 
pattern here), please remember that you started this complaint on a 
public list with your FEMA title slapped on your name, and now you have 
me, the guy PAYING for your radios interested in your story -- are you 
just completely mismanaging the funds you took from me in taxes?  I'm 
not trying to be mean here, but seriously... It just sounds like you 
might have just mismanaged the whole situation. 

I'm just an "average Joe" but I'd never let Kenwood or anyone else stomp 
all over me like it appears you guys did. 

-> You should have talked with the Attorney General much sooner than 
"numerous" e-mails and "numerous" trips to both repair facilities. 
-> You should have purchased through a reputable dealer who would be 
able to cover your outage from stock. 
-> If you're an Emergency Services group, where's your BACKUP repeater?!
-> And if you had even a hint of a possibility of a strained 
relationship with your tower owner, by the time you made the third trip 
to the tower you should have had another repeater of whatever model to 
put up there to keep your tower folks happy. 
-> Why didn't you escalate beyond Cheryl if she was non-responsive? 
-> Why did you push so hard for a replacement if they weren't 
responding?  Why not demand a refund?  Reaching into someone's wallet 
pocket always gets their attention better than whining that they won't 
fix something.
-> Did you demand written reports on the repairs as to exactly what was 
wrong so you could see if something in your environment could be causing 
the failures? 
-> If you're truly purchasing for FEMA, were you in contact with other 
local Federal agencies to ask them what types of repeaters they 
recommended and could help with trades in true emergencies?  Many 
Federal agencies talk to the ones that have 2-way system test labs for 
advice before purchasing, and some agencies are required to purchase 
from a list of products that have been tested and certified. 
-> Did you pay a professional to install the repeater so they could 
provide a report of conditions at the site to Kenwood?  Did that 
professional test the feedline, the antenna and the rest of the system 
beyond the repeater to make sure it met all specifications?

Color me skeptical of this whole story -- there's something else going 
on here you're not telling us about.

Complaining to the "public" through a mailing list is probably not the 
brightest of ideas at this point.  Not with your title attached, anyway.

Back up ten steps, talk to the AG and sue the crap out of Kenwood if you 
really think you have a case, Captain.  Otherwise, you may want to 
review your procedures for procurement of new equipment.

Purchase Orders don't get paid until a particular set of circumstances 
are met in my industry (telecommunications)... why don't your purchase 
orders have similar words?

Or just ignore me, I honestly don't really care.  But, $200-$300 bucks 
lost to learn how to improve your process (in the business world anyway, 
who knows what you government guys do) is considered a very CHEAP 
education.  You can learn from it or just blame Kenw

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Steve Helton]

We were dealing directly with Kenwood (Cheryl 
Daly [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]). I wrote numerous e-mails over many months. Let me be 
clear that it was only after we contacted the Attorney General's office and 
threatened Kenwood with legal action that they finally agreed to replace the 
"Lemon" with a new one. This was only after the unit had been to both 
the East coast AND West coast Kenwood repair facilities numerous times 
without success. We are still out between $200 and $300 from this event that 
Kenwood has refused to reimburse us for (for shipping cost back to Kenwood 
repeatedly). We were told we would be reimbursed (I have multiple e-mails to 
that effect) but it has never happened. 
 
We sold the unit and got most (not all) of the money 
that we originally paid for it back. 
 
My point is that if an agency like ours cannot rely on 
Kenwood then the average Joe does not stand a chance. They failed in their 
corporate responsibility. The other part of this problem is that a high profile 
tower owner gave us the top spot on their 350+' tower for this system and we 
kept having to go back to the tower over and over and over and over and over 
again. It caused us issues with the tower owner that we are just now overcoming. 

 
I might be willing to rethink my position on Kenwood if 
they would ever return all of the money we lost during the time we had their 
product. Maybe some of you dealers could tell us where to go within Kenwood to 
get our money back.
 
 
 

Capt. Steve Helton
Communications Division
Emergency Support 
Services
Federal 
Emergency Management Agency
Cincinnati 
CERT Task Force
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


From: Maire Company 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 
13:59To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

We are also a Kenwood dealer and had to have 
some radio's for some of our customers that are doing some work with the current 
weather problems in Florida.  Well UPS  some how lost the units.  
Kenwood sent out a replacement order late Friday night for Saturday so the we 
could get this done.  They went the extra mile and I say Kenwood did a 
great job at it.  
 
thanks   I think you should 
rethink your thought about Kenwood.
John
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  W9DHI 

  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:27 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood 
  Repeater
  
  
  Steve I think you 
  have more than a problem with Kenwood…it's either your dealer or the way the 
  situation was handled.  I was a Kenwood dealer for over 20 years (retired 
  last year), and Kenwood was always responsive to our needs.  I've had 
  "LEMONS" from every manufacturer including Kenwood and never had a problem 
  with them replacing the unit…no matter what it was…if I said I wanted it 
  exchanged..they exchanged it.  There has been a lot of talk of buying 
  from Kenwood Dealers that don't service their equipment but send it in to the 
  Depot.  Personally I would never deal with a company that didn't have the 
  technical expertise to maintain and repair the equipment they sold.  We 
  always repaired all the equipment we sold "IN HOUSE", except for DOA's which 
  we promptly got an exchange for the unit or a credit to our 
  account.
   
  So all of that said…I 
  really don't think Kenwood was the problem….it was whoever was in-between and 
  apparently whomever you purchased the unit from apparently is one of these 
  companies that doesn't "SERVICE WHAT THEY SELL".
   
  If they can't service 
  it, then they shouldn't sell it…..end of story.
   
   
  
  Gregg 
  R. Lengling, W9DHI, RetiredAdministrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.orgK2/100 
  S#3075 KX1 S# 57Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and 
  ORC
  
  NØATH
  CLIP
  It may help to point 
  out that we have several members of our team who have years of experience with 
  commercial two way. We have all of the appropriate equipment and operate a 
  number of other repeaters in the Greater 
  Cincinnati area on Amateur, 
  commercial, Public Safety and GMRS. Needless to say we no longer own anything 
  Kenwood since we need things we can rely on and a manufacturer that we can 
  rely on to honor their warranty. Kenwood does not do fit that 
  criteria.
  
   
  
  Capt. Steve 
  Helton
  Communications 
  Division
  Emergency Support 
  Services
  Federal Emergency 
  Management Agency
  Cincinnati CERT Task 
  Force
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Maire Company]

We are also a Kenwood dealer and had to have 
some radio's for some of our customers that are doing some work with the current 
weather problems in Florida.  Well UPS  some how lost the units.  
Kenwood sent out a replacement order late Friday night for Saturday so the we 
could get this done.  They went the extra mile and I say Kenwood did a 
great job at it.  
 
thanks   I think you should 
rethink your thought about Kenwood.
John
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  W9DHI 

  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:27 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood 
  Repeater
  
  
  Steve I think you 
  have more than a problem with Kenwood…it's either your dealer or the way the 
  situation was handled.  I was a Kenwood dealer for over 20 years (retired 
  last year), and Kenwood was always responsive to our needs.  I've had 
  "LEMONS" from every manufacturer including Kenwood and never had a problem 
  with them replacing the unit…no matter what it was…if I said I wanted it 
  exchanged..they exchanged it.  There has been a lot of talk of buying 
  from Kenwood Dealers that don't service their equipment but send it in to the 
  Depot.  Personally I would never deal with a company that didn't have the 
  technical expertise to maintain and repair the equipment they sold.  We 
  always repaired all the equipment we sold "IN HOUSE", except for DOA's which 
  we promptly got an exchange for the unit or a credit to our 
  account.
   
  So all of that said…I 
  really don't think Kenwood was the problem….it was whoever was in-between and 
  apparently whomever you purchased the unit from apparently is one of these 
  companies that doesn't "SERVICE WHAT THEY SELL".
   
  If they can't service 
  it, then they shouldn't sell it…..end of story.
   
   
  
  Gregg R. 
  Lengling, W9DHI, RetiredAdministrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.orgK2/100 
  S#3075 KX1 S# 57Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and 
  ORC
  
  NØATH
  CLIP
  It may help to point 
  out that we have several members of our team who have years of experience with 
  commercial two way. We have all of the appropriate equipment and operate a 
  number of other repeaters in the Greater 
  Cincinnati area on Amateur, 
  commercial, Public Safety and GMRS. Needless to say we no longer own anything 
  Kenwood since we need things we can rely on and a manufacturer that we can 
  rely on to honor their warranty. Kenwood does not do fit that 
  criteria.
  
   
  
  Capt. Steve 
  Helton
  Communications 
  Division
  Emergency Support 
  Services
  Federal Emergency 
  Management Agency
  Cincinnati CERT Task 
  Force
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[W9DHI]

Steve I think you have more than a problem
with Kenwood…it's either your dealer or the way the situation was
handled.  I was a Kenwood dealer for over 20 years (retired last year), and
Kenwood was always responsive to our needs.  I've had "LEMONS" from
every manufacturer including Kenwood and never had a problem with them
replacing the unit…no matter what it was…if I said I wanted it exchanged..they
exchanged it.  There has been a lot of talk of buying from Kenwood Dealers that
don't service their equipment but send it in to the Depot.  Personally I would
never deal with a company that didn't have the technical expertise to maintain
and repair the equipment they sold.  We always repaired all the equipment we
sold "IN HOUSE", except for DOA's which we promptly got an exchange
for the unit or a credit to our account.

 

So all of that said…I really don't
think Kenwood was the problem….it was whoever was in-between and
apparently whomever you purchased the unit from apparently is one of these
companies that doesn't "SERVICE WHAT THEY SELL".

 

If they can't service it, then they
shouldn't sell it…..end of story.

 

 



Gregg R.
Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org
K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57
Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC







NØATH



CLIP

It may
help to point out that we have several members of our team who have years of
experience with commercial two way. We have all of the appropriate equipment
and operate a number of other repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati area on Amateur, commercial, Public Safety and GMRS. Needless to
say we no longer own anything Kenwood since we need things we can rely on and a
manufacturer that we can rely on to honor their warranty. Kenwood does not do
fit that criteria.



 





Capt.
Steve Helton

Communications
Division

Emergency
Support Services

Federal
Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[NØATH]

In response to some of the earlier posts regarding 
Kenwood versus Hamtronics
and then this post,  I certainly hope the 
Captain is not thinking that Hamtronics
 will do anything for the end-user that is 
even close to what he summarizes here
where Kenwood replaced the rig. I have bought new 
Hamtronics that never ever 
performed in a manner that would be legal to 
operate on any band. Hamtronics
management chose not to repair NOR replace the 
unit - NADA - Zilch  
 
NØATH
CLIP
It may help to point out that we have several 
members of our team who have years of experience with commercial two way. We 
have all of the appropriate equipment and operate a number of other repeaters in 
the Greater Cincinnati area on Amateur, commercial, Public Safety and GMRS. 
Needless to say we no longer own anything Kenwood since we need things we can 
rely on and a manufacturer that we can rely on to honor their warranty. Kenwood 
does not do fit that criteria.
 

Capt. Steve Helton
Communications Division
Emergency Support Services
Federal Emergency Management 
Agency
Cincinnati CERT Task Force
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 
 
 













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