Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway
yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :) cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin. As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built. As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE. Expect to see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on. If you want to get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway
Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse. These are very broad and each will require multiple parts. Look over the open Jira to see if there is anything you are interested in. If you want clarification on any of the Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate. Take care,JeremyOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)cheers,EmmanuelOn 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin.As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built.As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.Expect to see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.If you want to get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life.___Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.comhttp://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway
Hi All, I have just updated the Wiki with information on the RIFE/Eclipse resources:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/EclipseOnce we have the plugin doing something more than associating the RIFE nature, I will update you all and the Wiki with installation/usage information. Take care,JeremyOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)cheers,EmmanuelOn 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin.As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built.As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.Expect to see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.If you want to get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life.___Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.comhttp://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway
Jeremy, RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you want me. Cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse. These are very broad and each will require multiple parts. Look over the open Jira to see if there is anything you are interested in. If you want clarification on any of the Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate. Take care, Jeremy On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :) cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin. As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built. As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE. Expect to see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on. If you want to get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway
meant to say *not* eclispse-specific On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy, RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you want me. Cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse. These are very broad and each will require multiple parts. Look over the open Jira to see if there is anything you are interested in. If you want clarification on any of the Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate. Take care, Jeremy On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :) cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin. As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built. As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE. Expect to see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on. If you want to get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway
Emmanuel, Nothing stopping you. Just get started and when you are ready, submit a patch to the associated Jira(s). Use the Jira comments to communicate.Take care,Jeremy On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meant to say *not* eclispse-specificOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy, RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you want me. Cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.These are very broad and each will require multiple parts.Look over the open Jira to see if there is anything you are interested in.If you want clarification on any of the Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate. Take care, Jeremy On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :) cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipseplugin.As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built.As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFEnature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE. Expect tosee quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.If you want toget involved, just let me know and we'll get you started. Take care, Jeremy ___Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Character develops itself in the stream of life.___Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.comhttp://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin
Hey all, I have updated the Wiki:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipseby removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide information. Since we never really decided what features we would like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can provide. That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin. Once we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and put together a plan. Take care,JeremyP.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out, get it working and prosper. ;)On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Jeremy, I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin isworking, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new projectand launchtypes instead. That should be sufficient.Best regards,Geert On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all,I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins.Here is the url: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself. I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself.That being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide instead unless anyone objects.Here are my thoughts backing this decision: The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment with RIFE in a controlled environment.To actually experiment, you add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and view.I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this in Eclipse.Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone? That being said, I await your response.I will then update the Wiki and begin working accordingly.Sorry for the delay but as most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has to come first sometimes.;) Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users --Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34Skype: gbevin http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, BelgiumAIM: geertbevingbevin at uwyn dot comTel: +32 64 84 80 03 Mobile: +32 477 302 599PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net___Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.comhttp://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin
Hi Jeremy, apart from the RIFE project and launch types, I think that this page cover pretty much what we have talked about wrt. IDE support in the past: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins Hope that helps. Best regards, Geert On 17-mrt-06, at 01:29, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have updated the Wiki: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse by removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide information. Since we never really decided what features we would like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can provide. That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin. Once we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and put together a plan. Take care, Jeremy P.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out, get it working and prosper. ;) On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Jeremy, I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project and launch types instead. That should be sufficient. Best regards, Geert On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins. Here is the url: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself. I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself. That being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide instead unless anyone objects. Here are my thoughts backing this decision: The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment with RIFE in a controlled environment. To actually experiment, you add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and view. I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this in Eclipse. Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone? That being said, I await your response. I will then update the Wiki and begin working accordingly. Sorry for the delay but as most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has to come first sometimes. ;) Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 Skype: gbevin http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium AIM: geertbevin gbevin at uwyn dot com Tel: +32 64 84 80 03 Mobile: +32 477 302 599 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 Skype: gbevin http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium AIM: geertbevin gbevin at uwyn dot com Tel: +32 64 84 80 03 Mobile: +32 477 302 599 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin
Hello, Is any pllugin ready to use ? Can we get it to test/use ? Regards - Original Message - From: Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RIFE users list : questions,bug reports and suggestions. rife-users@uwyn.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:40 Subject: Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Hi Jeremy, apart from the RIFE project and launch types, I think that this page cover pretty much what we have talked about wrt. IDE support in the past: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins Hope that helps. Best regards, Geert On 17-mrt-06, at 01:29, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have updated the Wiki: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse by removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide information. Since we never really decided what features we would like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can provide. That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin. Once we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and put together a plan. Take care, Jeremy P.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out, get it working and prosper. ;) On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Jeremy, I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project and launch types instead. That should be sufficient. Best regards, Geert On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins. Here is the url: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself. I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself. That being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide instead unless anyone objects. Here are my thoughts backing this decision: The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment with RIFE in a controlled environment. To actually experiment, you add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and view. I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this in Eclipse. Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone? That being said, I await your response. I will then update the Wiki and begin working accordingly. Sorry for the delay but as most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has to come first sometimes. ;) Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 Skype: gbevin http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium AIM: geertbevin gbevin at uwyn dot com Tel: +32 64 84 80 03 Mobile: +32 477 302 599 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 Skype: gbevin http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium AIM: geertbevin gbevin at uwyn dot com Tel: +32 64 84 80 03 Mobile: +32 477 302 599 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
[Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin
Hey all, I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins. Here is the url:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself. I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself. That being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide instead unless anyone objects. Here are my thoughts backing this decision: The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment with RIFE in a controlled environment. To actually experiment, you add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and view. I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this in Eclipse. Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone? That being said, I await your response. I will then update the Wiki and begin working accordingly. Sorry for the delay but as most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has to come first sometimes. ;) Take care,Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin
Hi Jeremy, I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project and launch types instead. That should be sufficient. Best regards, Geert On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins. Here is the url: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself. I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself. That being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide instead unless anyone objects. Here are my thoughts backing this decision: The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment with RIFE in a controlled environment. To actually experiment, you add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and view. I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this in Eclipse. Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone? That being said, I await your response. I will then update the Wiki and begin working accordingly. Sorry for the delay but as most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has to come first sometimes. ;) Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 Skype: gbevin http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium AIM: geertbevin gbevin at uwyn dot com Tel: +32 64 84 80 03 Mobile: +32 477 302 599 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://lists.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
[Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started. I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so. I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should. It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP. I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin. I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work. To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Eddy, This will definately be a joint effort involving many Rife developers/users. We should definately start brainstorming on things like the proposed file locations and such. We should all get on IRC at the same time or something. Just let me know when to be there and I'll make it so. Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Eddy Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all,I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started.I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so.I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin.I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/ Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be. Take care, Jeremy Thanks to Jeremy for making the offer. I don't see any objection to himproject managing this given his track record.Regarding development of RIFE plugins, I think it should be a concertedeffort among the developers who take up the tasks. This would ensure the plugins are consistent across the IDEs. Maybe, it's time to startstandardising on things such as XML files location, etc. Or at leastsome guidelines.Regards,Eddy-- http://coding.muhttp://priscimon.com/blog___Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Geert, Cool. I like this a lot. My plugin will probably only provide the mechanism to configure Rife instances, start/stop them and debugging the Rife applications. Once I learn a little more of what could be visualized, we could also visualize each instance's Rife components as well like I do with the WebLogic deployments. Let me know what you think and regardless, we'll get this thing going as a community. :) Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeremy,thanks a lot for stepping up to jumpstart this effort.We already started discussion possible features before the new-year andput some things on the wiki here: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePluginsI'm most interested in the first stage: facilitate regular coding. Inotice that the most time I lose when developing a RIFE application iswhen I look around for files and type in template tags or XML declarations in the site/element declarations. Having an awareness ofyour entire project and being able to just click on a template name oran included site or element would be very nice.I'll try out your Weblogic plugin and see what could be reused, as you suggest on IRC.Best regards,GeertJeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all,I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started.I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so.I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin.I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/ Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users--Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgiumgbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net___ Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.comhttp://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Thanks to Jeremy for making the offer. I don't see any objection to him project managing this given his track record. Regarding development of RIFE plugins, I think it should be a concerted effort among the developers who take up the tasks. This would ensure the plugins are consistent across the IDEs. Maybe, it's time to start standardising on things such as XML files location, etc. Or at least some guidelines. While it might be tempting to decide on XML file locations, please don't do this for plugin support. RIFE has the resolving of the files abstracted through ResourceFinders and ResourceWriters. By default it uses the ResourceFinderClasspath. However, you could just as easily use the ResourceFinderDatabase, or the ResourceFinderDirectories, or even group them together with the ResourceFinderGroup. This should be taken as the basis for the resolving and reading of resources by any IDE plugin, otherwise it will not be consistent with the approach that RIFE uses. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Geert posted a sort of roadmap here http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if we can get it started. -- eokyere On 1/13/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started. I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so. I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should. It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP. I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin. I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work. To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/ Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Cool. I like this a lot. My plugin will probably only provide the mechanism to configure Rife instances, start/stop them and debugging the Hmm actually the starting and stopping of web applications is not RIFE-related. It is the servlet container that is responsible for that. How do you see these instance configuration? Would that be to work with remote servers and handle those? I suppose that would be very handy, but apart from the RIFE configuration parameters, the rest would be servlet-container dependent. Rife applications. Once I learn a little more of what could be visualized, we could also visualize each instance's Rife components as What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be reloaded automatically without restarting the server. well like I do with the WebLogic deployments. Let me know what you think and regardless, we'll get this thing going as a community. :) -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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i don't think fixed file locations should be our major concern... probably, we should think about what preferences we can add in to allow people more flexibility with the system; -- eokyere On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wowz... tons of reponses already... lol On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geert posted a sort of roadmap here http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if we can get it started. -- eokyere On 1/13/06, Jeremy Whitlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started. I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so. I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should. It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP. I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin. I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work. To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/ Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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i don't think fixed file locations should be our major concern... probably, we should think about what preferences we can add in to allow people more flexibility with the system; Of course it's not the major concern, I was just warning to not go that road. There's no reason why the plugin can't use its own copy of the RIFE classes and resolve the resources in exactly the same way. That would be the least effort, because everything already exists and it would be fully compatible. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Hi, What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be reloaded automatically without restarting the server. for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor. The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in Version 3.0 :) cu odo PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be reloaded automatically without restarting the server. for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor. The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in Version 3.0 :) Yes, that was what I was thinking about too :-) -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Wow...a lot of stuff going on. Here are my comments:Geert, While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment. (This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.) That is what would be started and stopped. As for your ideas of visualizing a site and it's components, that is definately a reality. Working with local/remote servers would be available as well as Eclipse supports both. JR, Oliver and I have started discussion on this. The plan is to take the features of my WebLogic plugin, porting them to Rife and then integrating Oliver's plugin into it.Oliver, Debugging facilities are easy. My plugin already provides them. For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model and if we want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view the app running somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse. All, This idea isn't a half baked idea. We have a very powerful and extendable IDE at our hands. We also have great developers with experience in all technologies involved. I do not see us having a problem with coming up with an idea and making it so. Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be reloaded automatically without restarting the server. for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor. The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in Version 3.0 :)Yes, that was what I was thinking about too :-)--Geert Bevin Uwyn bvbaUse what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgiumgbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net___Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Hi Jeremy, thanks a lot for stepping up to jumpstart this effort. We already started discussion possible features before the new-year and put some things on the wiki here: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins I'm most interested in the first stage: facilitate regular coding. I notice that the most time I lose when developing a RIFE application is when I look around for files and type in template tags or XML declarations in the site/element declarations. Having an awareness of your entire project and being able to just click on a template name or an included site or element would be very nice. I'll try out your Weblogic plugin and see what could be reused, as you suggest on IRC. Best regards, Geert Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started. I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so. I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should. It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP. I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin. I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work. To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/ Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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If you read Geert's latest blog entry (http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2006/1/13/visual_rife_eclipse_plugin) you'll notice that Oliver has been working on a plugin as well... Would yours integrate his functionality or would it already have the features he's talking about? On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:51 -0700, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started. I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so. I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should. It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP. I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin. I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work. To check this out, visit here: https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/ Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be. Take care, Jeremy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- JR ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer and has full support for creating syntax highlighted HTML files: https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/ We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Geert, Sounds good. I do have to say porting my plugin to Rife would be quick but I don't mind doing that later. We can follow your model and based on user/developer needs, we'll make changes accordingly. To provide what you are looking for, we basically should do the following in Eclipse-speak: We need a plugin that extends the Java Project but is a Rife Project. This will be similar to how Web Tools does it's thing. This will allow for Eclipse-aware Rife types that we can use later to do Rife things when modified and such. We then need to create Rife templates. Following that we should probably figure out a way to add Rife-aware features like code assist, code templates, infopop help and the likes. How does this sound?Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great recap and replies!I think that the plugin should first focus on making the development of RIFE applications easier. Managing production installations and stufflike that would be interesting, but I think that should be left forlater. This would also benefit from adding JMX support to RIFE, which I plan on doing sometimes in the future.I think that the first step to take is to make it easy to setup a RIFEproject with Eclipse with all the information that the plugin wouldrequire. This includes the classpath elements, libraries and what is to be considered part of the web application. From there onwards we can work our way through the structure of a RIFEapplication itself. Adding support for the repository with nice formsfor adding participants (and knowledge of those that ship with RIFE). Views for setting up the datasources and a configuration manager couldbe up next. These should all be aware of RIFE-specific types and namesand not provide generic key-value property editors. I personally always found those to be awkward.The next step would then be the site structure itself. There's a lot towrite about that, let's detail it later.One thing that could be interesting wrt the starting, stopping and management is adding an easy way to launch RIFE out-of-container tests.The plugin could maybe extend or reuse the TestNG (or JUnit - yuck -)plugin and allow you to automatically startup your project without a servlet container to start running one or several tests. Just an idea.Let's leave the debugging for a later step, unless someone is reallydedicated to get that working. Having that integrated with the visual editor would be the nicest. I would concentrate on making the life ofthe developer a lot easier to manage the code and run it, afterwards wecan focus on these more advanced features.Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Wow...a lot of stuff going on.Here are my comments: Geert,While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.(This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)That is what would be started and stopped.As for your ideas of visualizing a site and it's components, that is definately a reality.Working with local/remote servers would be available as well as Eclipse supports both. JR,Oliver and I have started discussion on this.The plan is to take the features of my WebLogic plugin, porting them to Rife and then integrating Oliver's plugin into it. Oliver,Debugging facilities are easy.My plugin already provides them. For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model and if we want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view the app running somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse. All,This idea isn't a half baked idea.We have a very powerful and extendable IDE at our hands.We also have great developers with experience in all technologies involved.I do not see us having a problem with coming up with an idea and making it so. Take care, Jeremy On 1/13/06, *Geert Bevin* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be reloaded automatically without restarting the server. for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor. The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in Version 3.0 :) Yes, that was what I was thinking about too :-) -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net http://wwwkeys.pgp.net
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Yes, but IIRC it also uses JFlex for the lexers. This means that the lexers of JHighlight can be reused. Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Geert, Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and extend it for the Rife Eclipse types? Take care, Jeremy On 1/13/06, * Geert Bevin* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer and has full support for creating syntax highlighted HTML files: https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/ We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com mailto:Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Geert, Cool.Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but IIRC it also uses JFlex for the lexers. This means that thelexers of JHighlight can be reused.Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Geert,Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and extend it for the Rife Eclipse types? Take care, Jeremy On 1/13/06, * Geert Bevin* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer and has full support for creating syntax highlighted HTML files: https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/ We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com mailto:Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users--Geert Bevin Uwyn bvbaUse what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgiumgbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net___Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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Hi Eddy, those lexers would be for RIFE-specific highlighting of template tags for instance, like the yellow you see here: http://rifers.org/03_numberguess/src/templates/guess.html.html I have this setup in X-develop with a plugin since several months and I really find it very helpful. The more I read about your vision of the plugin, the more I find that NetBeans already provides facilities to do that. If you look at the attached screenshot (sorry for posting screenshots, but I find it hard to illustrate for non-NetBeans users), you will see that: 1. the web site structure is obvious from the tree structure in the project window 2. there is syntax highlighting and auto-completion for RIFE XML files 3. XML configuration files and Element subclasses are readily acccessible I don't see much difference with when you browse the jumpstart directory structure. This is just implicit to how RIFE structures things itself. The XML tag completion is nice though, but you get that with Eclipse WTP too iirc. Maybe I'm overlooking something in your screenshot though. My main issue is about code hyperlinking, ie. to go easily from your Java code to the Element declaration, or the template, etc etc. Without having to search for it. When you have a project with hundreds of elements and templates, that are organized in a hierarchy, this is a very welcome addition. It's not that you can't find them again easily yourself, it's that you save a couple of seconds each time you have to. This all just contributes to the general comfort while coding. Best regards, Geert -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
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To both Geert and Eddy:Geert, That is exactly what I was thinking. The plugin would be a lot like Jumpstart in it's packaging and stuff and would allow for download and learn/develop capabilities. We could then either build upon this plugin to create our Rife IDE or we could have multiple plugins for different things but package them together as one feature (To make it where you can download/install one thing instead of many) and make sure they all work together. Eddy, Eclipse provides that as well. What I mean by templates is to be able to go to File New and see Rife stuff there that would create template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need. We then would integrate into the content assist to allow for Java/XML assistance for the Rife sources. Did I get your message wrong or are we talking about the same things? Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Eddy Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geert Bevin wrote: I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer and has full support for creating syntax highlighted HTML files: https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/ We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin.The more I read about your vision of the plugin, the more I find that NetBeans already provides facilities to do that.If you look at the attached screenshot (sorry for posting screenshots,but I find it hard to illustrate for non-NetBeans users), you will see that:1. the web site structure is obvious from the tree structure in the project window2. there is syntax highlighting and auto-completion for RIFE XML files3. XML configuration files and Element subclasses are readily acccessibleThe only feature that you requested but I cannot do yet is the ability to click/right-click on a class definition to open the correspondingdeclaration in the correct XML file.Maybe for NetBeans all that is required is not a plugin, but a projecttemplate in a similar way to RIFE/Jumpstart. I will see if this feasible. Eddy--http://coding.muhttp://priscimon.com/blog___Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.comhttp://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Geert Bevin wrote: Hi Eddy, those lexers would be for RIFE-specific highlighting of template tags for instance, like the yellow you see here: http://rifers.org/03_numberguess/src/templates/guess.html.html I have this setup in X-develop with a plugin since several months and I really find it very helpful. Hmmm... True, seems very useful. I will try to replicate this in NetBeans as I'm pretty sure I saw a tutorial on how to define new syntax highlighting rules. Mind you, I am only discussing the plugin from a NetBeans POV as any development will surely be helpful for all parties regardless of what IDE they use. So please do not think that I'm off-topic and just evangelising NetBeans. Eddy -- http://coding.mu http://priscimon.com/blog ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Eddy, Eclipse provides that as well. What I mean by templates is to be able to go to File New and see Rife stuff there that would create template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need. We then would integrate into the content assist to allow for Java/XML assistance for the Rife sources. Did I get your message wrong or are we talking about the same things? Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why re-invent the wheel? I'll try a RIFE project template for NetBeans first before going for a full-blown plugin. Eddy -- http://coding.mu http://priscimon.com/blog ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Hmmm... True, seems very useful. I will try to replicate this in NetBeans as I'm pretty sure I saw a tutorial on how to define new syntax highlighting rules. I glanced over the NetBeans docs to do that once I think. It doesn't seem to be hard indeed, if I recall correctly. Mind you, I am only discussing the plugin from a NetBeans POV as any development will surely be helpful for all parties regardless of what IDE they use. So please do not think that I'm off-topic and just evangelising NetBeans. Please do! It would be great to have both NetBeans and Eclipse as fully suported IDEs with nice plugins. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Hey all, Ideally, it would be nice to have a plugin structure that would be easily ported to the other main Java IDEs. (NetBeans and IntelliJ) Obviously things would change slightly and this might be a huge task but I think that this should be the approach. Obviously we would need developers that can take an idea, like we've provided, and create the proper translation to their respective IDE. Hopefully we have enough expertise and time. :) Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Eddy Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Eddy,Eclipse provides that as well.What I mean by templates is to be able to go to File New and see Rife stuff there that would create template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need. We then would integrate into the content assist to allow for Java/XML assistance for the Rife sources.Did I get your message wrong or are we talking about the same things?Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, whyre-invent the wheel?I'll try a RIFE project template for NetBeans first before going for afull-blown plugin.Eddy-- http://coding.muhttp://priscimon.com/blog___Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Geert, Earlier this approach of my plugin was referred to as Jumpstart For Eclipse. That made me think and really, we have two options here:1) Port my plugin to Rife allowing for users to configure the plugin to manage multiple Rife instances. 2) Create a Server Launch Configuration like Web Tools does for web projects so that when you run/debug that application, it will seamlessly fire up the server instance hosting that application, deploy it and initialize it. These are two totally different things. Here are my thoughts on these:1) This would be cool if we wanted to be able to have a user point to a live/existing Rife installation and work against it. With this setup, we would also be able to provide deploy-time visualization of the Rife components (Elements and such) within the Eclipse gui all as one view, similar to how WebLogic visualizes the different deployment types in my plugin. We would also be able to build around this with the other tooling ideas from the rest of the team. 2) This would be the least obtrusive requiring no configuration by the end user. The user would create a Rife project and then would run/debug their Rife project without any visualization of the project and no ties to an external Rife instance. The user would be able to configure different Launch Types, so that each type could have different environments like JVM and such. We could still build all features around this approach as well. Summary:Neither offer any edge over the other as far as the ability to deliver features to the end user. One it built around the developer but also provides an administrative portion to the plugin (Option 1) while the other is solely developer centric. It is really up to the community as to how to build this effectively but I do think that either solution will work with the outcome being the same. Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why re-invent the wheel? I'll try a RIFE project template for NetBeans first before going for a full-blown plugin.I don't think that anybody here wants to reinvent the wheel. What we dowant, I think, is to reuse what's there as much as possible; but extendand integrate it to make your life as a RIFE developer easier. I think that a project template is indeed the first step, since a pluginwill need to know about the classpath and your repository and such. Youneed to declare that somewhere.--Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgiumgbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9Public PGP key: available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net___ Rife-users mailing listRife-users@uwyn.comhttp://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why re-invent the wheel? Eddy, I don't think we are re-inventing the wheel here, just adding to what is already available to make it 'more easier' to move from resource to resource... for instance, being able to link from an implementation attribute in the site configuration to the actual compilation unit will be a big boost... also having problem markers for stated compilation units that do not exist shd help a lot... all in all just adding to the tools already available to make RIFE a 'first-class citizen', imho -- eokyere ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin
Well said! On 13-jan-06, at 21:34, Emmanuel Okyere wrote: Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why re-invent the wheel? Eddy, I don't think we are re-inventing the wheel here, just adding to what is already available to make it 'more easier' to move from resource to resource... for instance, being able to link from an implementation attribute in the site configuration to the actual compilation unit will be a big boost... also having problem markers for stated compilation units that do not exist shd help a lot... all in all just adding to the tools already available to make RIFE a 'first-class citizen', imho -- eokyere ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba Use what you need Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
