Wow...a lot of stuff going on.  Here are my comments:

Geert,
     While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.  (This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)  That is what would be started and stopped.  As for your ideas of visualizing a site and it's components, that is definately a reality.  Working with local/remote servers would be available as well as Eclipse supports both.

JR,
     Oliver and I have started discussion on this.  The plan is to take the features of my WebLogic plugin, porting them to Rife and then integrating Oliver's plugin into it.

Oliver,
     Debugging facilities are easy.  My plugin already provides them.  For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model and if we want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view the app running somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse.

All,
     This idea isn't a half baked idea.  We have a very powerful and extendable IDE at our hands.  We also have great developers with experience in all technologies involved.  I do not see us having a problem with coming up with an idea and making it so.

Take care,

Jeremy

On 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to
>> visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and
>> watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can
>> visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data
>> and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and
>> declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be
>> reloaded automatically without restarting the server.
>
> for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor.
> The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in
> Version 3.0 :)

Yes, that was what I was thinking about too :-)

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