Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, Fred Gleason wrote:


Does it show up in lspci(8)? AudioScience cards will normally show up
as a Texas Instruments 'Multimedia audio controller' of some sort.


No, it doesn't.

Thanks.

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Fred Gleason]

On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 07:43 -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> I can't find any information on how to troubleshoot this. There's
> nothing 
> helpful in dmesg. Does anyone know of a diagnostic tool I can use?

Does it show up in lspci(8)? AudioScience cards will normally show up
as a Texas Instruments 'Multimedia audio controller' of some sort. If
you don't see it there, then you have a BIOS issue. Sometime moving the
card to a different slot can resolve these.

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

This is not an ALSA driver; it's Audioscience's hpklinux driver.


Rob

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, Workino wrote:


Try to check if alsa recognize the card

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Workino]

Try to check if alsa recognize the card

aplay -l 

Regards


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> On 29 Aug 2019, at 13:43, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, Fred Gleason wrote:
>> 
>> Correct, unfortunately. ASI effectively sunset CentOS 6 support over a
>> year ago. FWIW, the current ASI driver (v4.20.10) does work fine on
>> CentOS 7 and supports those cards. RPMs are available at:
> 
>> http://static.paravelsystems.com/audioscience/centos/7/4.20.10-1/
> 
> One of my clients has an ASI5810 card he wants to use on a Rivendell 2.19.3 
> system installed on CentOS 7. The card works under Windows but does not seem 
> to be recognized, even after installing the above RPM.
> 
> I can't find any information on how to troubleshoot this. There's nothing 
> helpful in dmesg. Does anyone know of a diagnostic tool I can use?
> 
> 
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, Fred Gleason wrote:


Correct, unfortunately. ASI effectively sunset CentOS 6 support over a
year ago. FWIW, the current ASI driver (v4.20.10) does work fine on
CentOS 7 and supports those cards. RPMs are available at:



http://static.paravelsystems.com/audioscience/centos/7/4.20.10-1/


One of my clients has an ASI5810 card he wants to use on a Rivendell 
2.19.3 system installed on CentOS 7. The card works under Windows but does 
not seem to be recognized, even after installing the above RPM.


I can't find any information on how to troubleshoot this. There's nothing 
helpful in dmesg. Does anyone know of a diagnostic tool I can use?



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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Paul Hayton]

Thanks Fred, appreciate the reply.

Best, Paul.

> -Original Message-
> From: rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org  boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org> On Behalf Of Fred Gleason
> Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 9:57 AM
> To: Rivendell Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Sound cards
> 
> On Fri, 2019-08-23 at 09:46 +1200, Paul Hayton wrote:
> > If I update to centos 07 and use the turnkey image to install
> > Rivendell on that box would I still be able to use that sound card?
> 
> Yes, that should work fine. The only thing that sometimes makes using
those
> cards problematical today is finding hardware with 'legacy style'
> PCI slots. If your hardware can do it, Rivendell should be fine with it.

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Fred Gleason]

On Fri, 2019-08-23 at 09:46 +1200, Paul Hayton wrote:
> If I update to centos 07 and use the turnkey image to install
> Rivendell on that box would I still be able to use that sound card?

Yes, that should work fine. The only thing that sometimes makes using
those cards problematical today is finding hardware with 'legacy style'
PCI slots. If your hardware can do it, Rivendell should be fine with
it.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Paul Hayton]

Hi Fred. 

I am running an older 2.x version of Rivendell under Ubuntu and use an m audio 
delta 44 card and break out box. 

If I update to centos 07 and use the turnkey image to install Rivendell on that 
box would I still be able to use that sound card?

Many thanks. Paul. 

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> On 22/08/2019, at 3:35 AM, Fred Gleason  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 08:30 -0500, David Klann wrote:
>> It seems like the combination of 1) "reasonably priced", 2)
>> "industrial
>> grade", and 3) "works with Linux" audio devices have become unicorns.
> 
> For Pro Audio applications, all the world is moving to some form of
> AoIP. For Sound Reinforcement, that means systems like CobraNet or AVB.
> For Broadcast, it's a bouquet of systems from various vendors, all of
> them broadly compatibile with AES67.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Cowboy]

On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

> What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems these days?

 ASI Livewire.

 Truth be told, analog audio prior to the final transducer is all but obsolete.

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Max Kelley]

Hi Fred, all,The 18i20 is a rack-mount unit and has a built-in AC supply which is required for operation... it won't run just from USB. Manual specs +15.5dBu which is just under +20dBm.All I know is that we had tried a usb-powered card in the past from Behringer and the Scarlett definitely blows it away.Regarding the issue mentioned with the card needing a power cycle on reboot, I can't say that we've experienced that at all?Regarding X32, we actually do that setup in our production studio and successfully route Rivendell to our X32 as well through the X-USB interface card... Works great!Max Kelley KC2SPYm...@maxkelley.comwww.maxkelley.com585-653-8883On Aug 21, 2019 11:43, Fred Gleason  wrote:On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 09:55 -0400, Max Kelley wrote:

> We use a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, it works great! Can support 4

> stereo balanced playout channels... Or is it five? Regardless, we're

> using four. The other nice thing is that it's completely compatible

> with the USB sound protocol or whatever for all of its controls, so

> they're all accessible in alsamixer or what have you.



Curious: how much headroom do you get with those? This has been the big

downside of most USB audio devices I've tested, including those with

balanced I/O: they max out at around 0 dBm. This is largely due to the

limitations of the USB power connection (+5 vdc @ 100 mA max), whereas

a true 'pro' balanced output requires a bipolar +/-15 vdc power supply

to achieve the accustomed headroom of around +20 dBm.



Cheers!





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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Tim Camp]

Greetings,

In the case of the X32 usb interface, it is powered by the same rails as
the console.
According to Music-Tribe the clip point on the x32 usb interface and their
other expansion cards is +16dbm
Interface is 24 bit at whatever sample rate the console is running.
I haven't put it on the test bench, but that spec would put it in line with
the channel inputs on the console
which I guess makes sense.


Tim Camp
WZEW-FM


On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:46 AM Hoggins!  wrote:

> This interface has its own power supply, so I guess it shouldn't be a
> problem to have internal ±15 vdc available, right?
>
> Le 21/08/2019 à 17:43, Fred Gleason a écrit :
> > Curious: how much headroom do you get with those? This has been the big
> > downside of most USB audio devices I've tested, including those with
> > balanced I/O: they max out at around 0 dBm. This is largely due to the
> > limitations of the USB power connection (+5 vdc @ 100 mA max), whereas
> > a true 'pro' balanced output requires a bipolar ±15 vdc power supply
> > to achieve the accustomed headroom of around +20 dBm.
> >
> > Cheers!
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Fred Gleason]

On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 17:46 +0200, Hoggins! wrote:
> This interface has its own power supply, so I guess it shouldn't be a
> problem to have internal ±15 vdc available, right?

You've a much better chance, certainly. The only way to tell for sure
is to put an ocilloscope on an output, run sinosoidal tone through it
and note the level at which the waveform starts flattening out at the
peaks.

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Hoggins!]

This interface has its own power supply, so I guess it shouldn't be a
problem to have internal ±15 vdc available, right?

Le 21/08/2019 à 17:43, Fred Gleason a écrit :
> Curious: how much headroom do you get with those? This has been the big
> downside of most USB audio devices I've tested, including those with
> balanced I/O: they max out at around 0 dBm. This is largely due to the
> limitations of the USB power connection (+5 vdc @ 100 mA max), whereas
> a true 'pro' balanced output requires a bipolar ±15 vdc power supply
> to achieve the accustomed headroom of around +20 dBm.
>
> Cheers!




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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Fred Gleason]

On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 09:55 -0400, Max Kelley wrote:
> We use a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, it works great! Can support 4
> stereo balanced playout channels... Or is it five? Regardless, we're
> using four. The other nice thing is that it's completely compatible
> with the USB sound protocol or whatever for all of its controls, so
> they're all accessible in alsamixer or what have you.

Curious: how much headroom do you get with those? This has been the big
downside of most USB audio devices I've tested, including those with
balanced I/O: they max out at around 0 dBm. This is largely due to the
limitations of the USB power connection (+5 vdc @ 100 mA max), whereas
a true 'pro' balanced output requires a bipolar +/-15 vdc power supply
to achieve the accustomed headroom of around +20 dBm.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Fred Gleason]

On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 08:30 -0500, David Klann wrote:
> It seems like the combination of 1) "reasonably priced", 2)
> "industrial
> grade", and 3) "works with Linux" audio devices have become unicorns.

For Pro Audio applications, all the world is moving to some form of
AoIP. For Sound Reinforcement, that means systems like CobraNet or AVB.
For Broadcast, it's a bouquet of systems from various vendors, all of
them broadly compatibile with AES67.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Fred Gleason]

On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 08:52 -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where two of
> our 
> stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars worth
> of 
> equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell playout
> systems 
> for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no longer in 
> production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them in,
> they 
> weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.
> 
> The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver, and
> the 
> version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not install
> on 
> CentOS 6.

Correct, unfortunately. ASI effectively sunset CentOS 6 support over a
year ago. FWIW, the current ASI driver (v4.20.10) does work fine on
CentOS 7 and supports those cards. RPMs are available at:

http://static.paravelsystems.com/audioscience/centos/7/4.20.10-1/

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Hoggins!]

Hey there,

We also use an X32 (compact version) as our main studio console, along
with the ADAT expansion card, and all our computers and the encoders are
connected to it through their lightpipe "cables" and RME Digi9652 ADAT
cards.
Works like a charm, we are able to route in and out a lot of signals
without them leaving the digital space until it becomes analog for FM
transmission. Of course if we had the money, we would be fully eg.
Dante, or any equivalent Ethernet-based audio link, but this compromise
is good for us.

All this is quite affordable and fully supported on our Linux machines.

    Hoggins!

Le 21/08/2019 à 16:30, Tim Camp a écrit :
> Greetings Rob,
>
> Of course it always depends on your needs, but on each station we use
> a Behringer X32 rack, which is in itself a console 
> however it gives you 32 in and 32 outs via usb which can easily be
> configured as 16 stereo in and outs or a combination of stereo and mono.
> It works a charm and can be used with alsa or jack all for less than
> 1100 bucks.
> Plus you can control all channel mutes, level, via macros from rivendell.
>
> May not be a solution for everyone but 32 io's for less than 1100 is a
> good deal.
>
> Tim Camp
> WZEW-FM
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:28 AM Tim Camp  > wrote:
>
> Greetings Rob,
>
> Of course it always depends on your needs, but on each station we
> use a Behringer X32 rack, which is in itself a console 
> however it gives you 32 in and 32 outs via usb which can easily be
> configured as 16 stereo in and outs or a combination of stereo and
> mono.
> It works a charm and can be used with alsa or jack all for less
> than 1100 bucks.
> Put you can control all channel mutes, level, via macros from
> rivendell.
>
> May not be a solution for everyone but 32 io's for less than 1100
> is a good deal.
>
> Tim Camp
> WZEW-FM
> Mobile, Al.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Rob Landry
> <41001...@interpring.com > wrote:
>
>
> On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where
> two of our
> stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars
> worth of
> equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell
> playout systems
> for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no
> longer in
> production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them
> in, they
> weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.
>
> The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver,
> and the
> version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not
> install on
> CentOS 6.
>
> On CentOS 7 at a different station, I was able to install one
> of the newer
> drivers but Rivendell wouldn't see it.
>
> While I have not yet tried to use a 5810 under Debian 9, I
> think ASI and I
> have come to the parting of the ways. It's clear from the
> disappearance of
> cards such as the M-Audio Delta and Echo MIA from the
> marketplace that the
> industry is moving way from analog audio, and those of us who
> still
> maintain analog plants may have to rely on USB adapters and
> external
> matchboxes (which install without trouble on pretty much
> anything).
>
> What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems
> these days?
>
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Tim Camp]

Greetings Rob,

Of course it always depends on your needs, but on each station we use a
Behringer X32 rack, which is in itself a console
however it gives you 32 in and 32 outs via usb which can easily be
configured as 16 stereo in and outs or a combination of stereo and mono.
It works a charm and can be used with alsa or jack all for less than 1100
bucks.
Plus you can control all channel mutes, level, via macros from rivendell.

May not be a solution for everyone but 32 io's for less than 1100 is a good
deal.

Tim Camp
WZEW-FM

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:28 AM Tim Camp  wrote:

> Greetings Rob,
>
> Of course it always depends on your needs, but on each station we use a
> Behringer X32 rack, which is in itself a console
> however it gives you 32 in and 32 outs via usb which can easily be
> configured as 16 stereo in and outs or a combination of stereo and mono.
> It works a charm and can be used with alsa or jack all for less than 1100
> bucks.
> Put you can control all channel mutes, level, via macros from rivendell.
>
> May not be a solution for everyone but 32 io's for less than 1100 is a
> good deal.
>
> Tim Camp
> WZEW-FM
> Mobile, Al.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where two of our
>> stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars worth of
>> equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell playout systems
>> for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no longer in
>> production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them in, they
>> weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.
>>
>> The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver, and the
>> version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not install on
>> CentOS 6.
>>
>> On CentOS 7 at a different station, I was able to install one of the
>> newer
>> drivers but Rivendell wouldn't see it.
>>
>> While I have not yet tried to use a 5810 under Debian 9, I think ASI and
>> I
>> have come to the parting of the ways. It's clear from the disappearance
>> of
>> cards such as the M-Audio Delta and Echo MIA from the marketplace that
>> the
>> industry is moving way from analog audio, and those of us who still
>> maintain analog plants may have to rely on USB adapters and external
>> matchboxes (which install without trouble on pretty much anything).
>>
>> What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems these days?
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

I have a client with a Focusrite Scarlett... 6i6, I think it is. It works, 
but if the system gets rebooted, it doesn't see the Focusrite on startup. 
The Focusrite has to be power-cycled to be recognized by the RD system, 
which I think is running Debian 8, but I forget.



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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, Max Kelley wrote:


We use a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, it works great! Can support 4 stereo
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The other nice thing is that it's completely compatible with the USB sound
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Max Kelley]

We use a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, it works great! Can support 4 stereo balanced playout channels... Or is it five? Regardless, we're using four. The other nice thing is that it's completely compatible with the USB sound protocol or whatever for all of its controls, so they're all accessible in alsamixer or what have you.Hope that helps,Max Kelley KC2SPYm...@maxkelley.comwww.maxkelley.com585-653-8883On Aug 21, 2019 08:52, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where two of our 

stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars worth of 

equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell playout systems 

for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no longer in 

production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them in, they 

weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.



The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver, and the 

version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not install on 

CentOS 6.



On CentOS 7 at a different station, I was able to install one of the newer 

drivers but Rivendell wouldn't see it.



While I have not yet tried to use a 5810 under Debian 9, I think ASI and I 

have come to the parting of the ways. It's clear from the disappearance of 

cards such as the M-Audio Delta and Echo MIA from the marketplace that the 

industry is moving way from analog audio, and those of us who still 

maintain analog plants may have to rely on USB adapters and external 

matchboxes (which install without trouble on pretty much anything).



What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems these days?





Rob



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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Steve Varholy]

The Rivendell system I have set up to play IDs for network affiliates uses 
Lexicon Alpha USB interfaces. They are two-channel only, but were cheap and 
reliable.

I say "were" because they are now discontinued.


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From: rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org 
 on behalf of David Klann 

Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:30 AM
To: Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com>; 
rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org 
Subject: Re: [RDD] Sound cards

I'm with you on this Rob. It's frustrating!

It seems like the combination of 1) "reasonably priced", 2) "industrial
grade", and 3) "works with Linux" audio devices have become unicorns.

I used to install the Digigram VX222 (PCI) and VX222e (PCIe), but Digigram
recently made a hardware modification that has rendered this card unusable on
Linux (even with a vendor-provided, updated driver).

The most significant problem I have experienced is finding an audio device
with balanced inputs and outputs. My current solution, though less than ideal,
is the ASUS Xonar devices and a matchbox (StudioHub, Henry Engineering, Angry
Audio, etc.) to handle the balanced/unbalanced conversion.

What are others doing?

  ~David Klann



On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 08:52 -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where two of our
> stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars worth of
> equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell playout systems
> for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no longer in
> production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them in, they
> weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.
>
> The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver, and the
> version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not install on
> CentOS 6.
>
> On CentOS 7 at a different station, I was able to install one of the newer
> drivers but Rivendell wouldn't see it.
>
> While I have not yet tried to use a 5810 under Debian 9, I think ASI and I
> have come to the parting of the ways. It's clear from the disappearance of
> cards such as the M-Audio Delta and Echo MIA from the marketplace that the
> industry is moving way from analog audio, and those of us who still
> maintain analog plants may have to rely on USB adapters and external
> matchboxes (which install without trouble on pretty much anything).
>
> What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems these days?
>
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[David Klann]

I'm with you on this Rob. It's frustrating!

It seems like the combination of 1) "reasonably priced", 2) "industrial
grade", and 3) "works with Linux" audio devices have become unicorns.

I used to install the Digigram VX222 (PCI) and VX222e (PCIe), but Digigram
recently made a hardware modification that has rendered this card unusable on
Linux (even with a vendor-provided, updated driver).

The most significant problem I have experienced is finding an audio device
with balanced inputs and outputs. My current solution, though less than ideal,
is the ASUS Xonar devices and a matchbox (StudioHub, Henry Engineering, Angry
Audio, etc.) to handle the balanced/unbalanced conversion.

What are others doing?

  ~David Klann



On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 08:52 -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where two of our 
> stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars worth of 
> equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell playout systems 
> for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no longer in 
> production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them in, they 
> weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.
> 
> The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver, and the 
> version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not install on 
> CentOS 6.
> 
> On CentOS 7 at a different station, I was able to install one of the newer 
> drivers but Rivendell wouldn't see it.
> 
> While I have not yet tried to use a 5810 under Debian 9, I think ASI and I 
> have come to the parting of the ways. It's clear from the disappearance of 
> cards such as the M-Audio Delta and Echo MIA from the marketplace that the 
> industry is moving way from analog audio, and those of us who still 
> maintain analog plants may have to rely on USB adapters and external 
> matchboxes (which install without trouble on pretty much anything).
> 
> What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems these days?
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
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[RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

On Monday morning a direct lightning hit to the building where two of our 
stations have their studios took out several thousand dollars worth of 
equipment, including the ASI sound cards in the Rivendell playout systems 
for the two stations. The exact card we were using is no longer in 
production, so we ordered two new ASI5810's. When we put them in, they 
weren't recognized by CentOS 6 and Rivendell couldn't see them.


The 5810's require at least version 4.18 of the asihpi driver, and the 
version we had been using was 4.16. Newer versions will not install on 
CentOS 6.


On CentOS 7 at a different station, I was able to install one of the newer 
drivers but Rivendell wouldn't see it.


While I have not yet tried to use a 5810 under Debian 9, I think ASI and I 
have come to the parting of the ways. It's clear from the disappearance of 
cards such as the M-Audio Delta and Echo MIA from the marketplace that the 
industry is moving way from analog audio, and those of us who still 
maintain analog plants may have to rely on USB adapters and external 
matchboxes (which install without trouble on pretty much anything).


What sound cards are y'all using for new Rivendell systems these days?


Rob

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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Brandon]

+1 for that!!

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 9:30 PM Lorne Tyndale  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As an FYI, I have never been able to get the "V2" version of that card
> working in Linux.  But the "HR" version has worked well for me in Linux
> with ALSA.
>
> Lorne Tyndale
>
> > -------- Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: [RDD] Sound cards
> > From: Luigino Bracci 
> > Date: Thu, July 05, 2018 7:01 pm
> > To: Brandon ,  Rivendell Dev List
> > 
> >
> >
> > Thanks you. I tested a Digigram VX222-V2 a long time ago (maybe 2010)
> using
> > Ubuntu, but this card was too unstable at the moment. Maybe I should test
> > it again.
> >
> > 2018-07-05 17:16 GMT-04:00 Brandon :
> >
> > > One station is running on Debian 8 Jessie... and another station is
> > > running Mint 17.1.
> > >
> > > Both run Rivendell (GASP!) 2.10.3 with the older Tryphon packages for
> ease
> > > and stability with Debian.
> > >
> > > Both machines are mission critical, so I'll probably migrate them over
> > > when I feel like the latest RD is
> > >
> > > stable in the Debian environment without things breaking (mostly QT and
> > > SQL issues, not directly related to RD --
> > >
> > > I don't have the time to compile from scratch and troubleshoot.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Luigino Bracci 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> What Linux distro are you using?
> > >>
> > >> 2018-07-03 21:27 GMT-04:00 Brandon :
> > >>
> > >>> We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2
> Analog+AES/EBU
> > >>> balanced XLR i/o.
> > >>>
> > >>> Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards. Standard alsa
> > >>> drivers work out of the box.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
> > >>>> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> > >>>> > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on
> > >>>> machines
> > >>>> > with only PCI express slots?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little
> higher
> > >>>> output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo
> outputs.
> > >>>> (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
> > >>>> ___
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> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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> > >>> Subliminal Radio <http://subliminalradio.net/popup-player>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Lorne Tyndale]

Hi,

As an FYI, I have never been able to get the "V2" version of that card
working in Linux.  But the "HR" version has worked well for me in Linux
with ALSA.

Lorne Tyndale

>  Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Sound cards
> From: Luigino Bracci 
> Date: Thu, July 05, 2018 7:01 pm
> To: Brandon ,  Rivendell Dev List
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks you. I tested a Digigram VX222-V2 a long time ago (maybe 2010) using
> Ubuntu, but this card was too unstable at the moment. Maybe I should test
> it again.
> 
> 2018-07-05 17:16 GMT-04:00 Brandon :
> 
> > One station is running on Debian 8 Jessie... and another station is
> > running Mint 17.1.
> >
> > Both run Rivendell (GASP!) 2.10.3 with the older Tryphon packages for ease
> > and stability with Debian.
> >
> > Both machines are mission critical, so I'll probably migrate them over
> > when I feel like the latest RD is
> >
> > stable in the Debian environment without things breaking (mostly QT and
> > SQL issues, not directly related to RD --
> >
> > I don't have the time to compile from scratch and troubleshoot.)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Luigino Bracci  wrote:
> >
> >> What Linux distro are you using?
> >>
> >> 2018-07-03 21:27 GMT-04:00 Brandon :
> >>
> >>> We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU
> >>> balanced XLR i/o.
> >>>
> >>> Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards. Standard alsa
> >>> drivers work out of the box.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
> >>>> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> >>>> > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on
> >>>> machines
> >>>> > with only PCI express slots?
> >>>>
> >>>> My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little higher
> >>>> output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.
> >>>>
> >>>> Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo outputs.
> >>>> (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
> >>>> ___
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> >>>> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
> >>>> http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Brandon Anjeleno
> >>> Subliminal Radio <http://subliminalradio.net/popup-player>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Luigino Bracci]

Thanks you. I tested a Digigram VX222-V2 a long time ago (maybe 2010) using
Ubuntu, but this card was too unstable at the moment. Maybe I should test
it again.

2018-07-05 17:16 GMT-04:00 Brandon :

> One station is running on Debian 8 Jessie... and another station is
> running Mint 17.1.
>
> Both run Rivendell (GASP!) 2.10.3 with the older Tryphon packages for ease
> and stability with Debian.
>
> Both machines are mission critical, so I'll probably migrate them over
> when I feel like the latest RD is
>
> stable in the Debian environment without things breaking (mostly QT and
> SQL issues, not directly related to RD --
>
> I don't have the time to compile from scratch and troubleshoot.)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Luigino Bracci  wrote:
>
>> What Linux distro are you using?
>>
>> 2018-07-03 21:27 GMT-04:00 Brandon :
>>
>>> We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU
>>> balanced XLR i/o.
>>>
>>> Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards. Standard alsa
>>> drivers work out of the box.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
 Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
 > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on
 machines
 > with only PCI express slots?

 My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.

 Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little higher
 output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.

 Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo outputs.
 (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Subliminal Radio 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Brandon]

Hey Rob,

We've had zero problems with the VX222-HR on various Linux distros
installing

the standard alsa-lib
, alsa-firmware
, and
alsa-tools  packages from the alsa
project .

Haven't even checked with the manufacturer for Linux drivers. The Alsa
drivers have worked

out of the box for me every time. How long ago did you try Digigram cards?
I wonder if your experience

was limited to a specific card or specific distro or combination of the 2?
The only real limitation for us, is in

terms of i/o which isn't a problem now, but later we'll probably need a
more expensive card with more channels.

You can hear it on the air HERE .



On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Brandon wrote:
>
> We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU
>> balanced XLR i/o.  Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards.
>> Standard alsa drivers work out of the box.
>>
>
> I have tried Digigram cards in the past and found them insufficiently
> stable; they tend to put out white noise or "digital" distortion.
> Successive versions of the ALSA driver have made no difference, so I'm
> guessing the problem is in the firmware. But if you're using them
> successfully, maybe the firmware has been fixed. Did the card come with a
> firmware load for Linux? If not, where did you find one?
>
>
> Rob
>
> --
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> Я там, где плакаты "Вперёд",
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> Страна трудовая поёт.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:
>>   On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
>>   Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
>>   > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly
>>   on machines
>>   > with only PCI express slots?
>>
>>   My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.
>>
>>   Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little
>>   higher
>>   output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.
>>
>>   Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo
>>   outputs.
>>   (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Brandon]

One station is running on Debian 8 Jessie... and another station is running
Mint 17.1.

Both run Rivendell (GASP!) 2.10.3 with the older Tryphon packages for ease
and stability with Debian.

Both machines are mission critical, so I'll probably migrate them over when
I feel like the latest RD is

stable in the Debian environment without things breaking (mostly QT and SQL
issues, not directly related to RD --

I don't have the time to compile from scratch and troubleshoot.)



On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Luigino Bracci  wrote:

> What Linux distro are you using?
>
> 2018-07-03 21:27 GMT-04:00 Brandon :
>
>> We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU
>> balanced XLR i/o.
>>
>> Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards. Standard alsa
>> drivers work out of the box.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
>>> > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on
>>> machines
>>> > with only PCI express slots?
>>>
>>> My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.
>>>
>>> Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little higher
>>> output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.
>>>
>>> Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo outputs.
>>> (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
>>> ___
>>> Rivendell-dev mailing list
>>> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
>>> http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Subliminal Radio 
>>
>>
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Brandon wrote:

We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU 
balanced XLR i/o.  Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast 
soundcards. Standard alsa drivers work out of the box.


I have tried Digigram cards in the past and found them insufficiently 
stable; they tend to put out white noise or "digital" distortion. 
Successive versions of the ALSA driver have made no difference, so I'm 
guessing the problem is in the firmware. But if you're using them 
successfully, maybe the firmware has been fixed. Did the card come with a 
firmware load for Linux? If not, where did you find one?



Rob

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On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:
  On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
  Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
  > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly
  on machines
  > with only PCI express slots?

  My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.

  Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little
  higher
  output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.

  Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo
  outputs.
  (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Luigino Bracci]

What Linux distro are you using?

2018-07-03 21:27 GMT-04:00 Brandon :

> We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU
> balanced XLR i/o.
>
> Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards. Standard alsa
> drivers work out of the box.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
>> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
>> > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on
>> machines
>> > with only PCI express slots?
>>
>> My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.
>>
>> Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little higher
>> output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.
>>
>> Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo outputs.
>> (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[Brandon]

We're using the Digigram VX222-HR PCI Soundcard with 2+2 Analog+AES/EBU
balanced XLR i/o.

Probably one of the best sub $500 broadcast soundcards. Standard alsa
drivers work out of the box.



On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM, al davis  wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> > What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on
> machines
> > with only PCI express slots?
>
> My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.
>
> Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little higher
> output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.
>
> Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo outputs.
> (cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
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>



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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[al davis]

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on machines 
> with only PCI express slots?

My favorite so far for that is the ASUS Xonar DX.

Sound quality is better than most .. quieter than most, a little higher
output than most, has an extra cable inside for analog power.

Full 7.1 analog .. that Rivendell can use as 4 separate stereo outputs.
(cue/library, rdairplay, rdcatch, panel).
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Re: [RDD] Sound cards

[rivdev]

Hello,

I just received a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy FX PCIe 5.1 (Model 
SB1570) today and put it in to an older AMD Phenom/nvidia-based machine 
because the on-board sound card wasn't recognized by CentOS7.

The card was pretty much plug and play and is running now.  I saw 
somewhere in the archive for this list that someone else was using this 
card too.

Rivendell sees two available outputs, though I'm not far enough in my 
understanding of Rivendell to figure out how to use them yet.

Steve


On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 02:29:55PM -0400, Rob Landry wrote:
> 
> What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on machines
> with only PCI express slots?
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
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[RDD] Sound cards

[Rob Landry]

What are folks using these days for sound cards, particularly on machines 
with only PCI express slots?



Rob

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