Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Cowboy]

On Tuesday 30 January 2018 06:01:57 pm Andy Higginson wrote:
> Ah, so that explains why you said earlier about pushing it up the list.

 Well, yes, and no...

> I didn’t realise that you looked after the Rivendell server.  

 I don't !
 It's housed here. Power, bandwidth, and such, but really it's Fred's thing.
 ( which doesn't mean I don't have the power of suggestion )

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Andy Higginson]

Ah, so that explains why you said earlier about pushing it up the list.  I 
didn’t realise that you looked after the Rivendell server.  Is a Wiki something 
that you or Fred are able to add to the main server (rather than it being on 
the Tryphon server), or is this something that you would want hosted elsewhere? 
 I know there are a few of us here that would be able to contribute to 
populating it with content.



> On 30 Jan 2018, at 21:59, Cowboy  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 21:18:33 +
> Andy Higginson  wrote:
> 
>> Is the main Rivendell website hosted via Tryphon or is it on one of 
>> Paravel’s servers?
> 
> Unless I'm very badly misteaken, it's about 12 feet from my desk.
> One of Paravel.
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Cowboy]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 21:18:33 +
Andy Higginson  wrote:

> Is the main Rivendell website hosted via Tryphon or is it on one of Paravel’s 
> servers?

 Unless I'm very badly misteaken, it's about 12 feet from my desk.
 One of Paravel.

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Andy Higginson]

I’ve just seen this on the Tryphon website via their Twitter Account.

Chers Clients, chers amis. C'est non sans émotion que nous devons vous annoncer 
la fermeture prochaine de Tryphon. Merci pour ces années de confiance et au 
plaisir de vous recroiser à nouveau.

Translated via Google
Dear Clients, dear friends. It is not without emotion that we must announce the 
next closing of Tryphon. Thank you for these years of trust and the pleasure of 
meeting you again.

Based on this, I think that we need to look into an alternative host for the 
Wiki as I doubt that any new accounts will be added, and we don’t know how long 
they will keep their servers up for.  The version of MediaWiki on the Tryphon 
server is v1.15.5 which is from July 2010.

Is the main Rivendell website hosted via Tryphon or is it on one of Paravel’s 
servers?


> On 30 Jan 2018, at 15:28, David Klann  wrote:
> 
> On 01/30/2018 07:36 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
>> IIRC,
>> 
>> this is the company behind the wiki hosting:
>> 
>> http://www.tryphon.eu/en/ 
>> 
>> and this is the main person who set it up:
>> 
>> http://blog.tryphon.org/alban/ 
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/apeignier 
>> 
>> all the best,
> 
> I believe this is still accurate. I sent email requesting a wiki login a
> couple years ago, and *did* receive one after about six or seven months.
> It rather seems as if the Tryphon folks have moved on to other things at
> this point.
> 
> I concur with others' views that Open Source and Free Software "support"
> tools are most appropriate for this community. I maintain a couple other
> MediaWiki sites, and I like the "familiarity" and the similarity with
> Wikipedia, but MediaWiki is certainly not the only choice out there.
> 
> I just logged out of GitHub and observed that the wiki link disappears
> when one is not logged in. :(
> 
> I'm willing to help move articles from the Tryphon Rivendell wiki to
> whatever we collectively choose for a more modern platform.
> 
>  ~David
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[David Klann]

On 01/30/2018 07:36 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
> IIRC,
> 
> this is the company behind the wiki hosting:
> 
> http://www.tryphon.eu/en/
> 
> and this is the main person who set it up:
> 
> http://blog.tryphon.org/alban/
> 
> https://twitter.com/apeignier
> 
> all the best,

I believe this is still accurate. I sent email requesting a wiki login a
couple years ago, and *did* receive one after about six or seven months.
It rather seems as if the Tryphon folks have moved on to other things at
this point.

I concur with others' views that Open Source and Free Software "support"
tools are most appropriate for this community. I maintain a couple other
MediaWiki sites, and I like the "familiarity" and the similarity with
Wikipedia, but MediaWiki is certainly not the only choice out there.

I just logged out of GitHub and observed that the wiki link disappears
when one is not logged in. :(

I'm willing to help move articles from the Tryphon Rivendell wiki to
whatever we collectively choose for a more modern platform.

  ~David


> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:22 AM, Andy Higginson  > wrote:
> 
> __
> Who looks after the Wiki now?  Is it possible for some of us to get
> login details so that we can update it?  Patrick mentioned that he
> had tried to get access to it and hadn't had any reply.  It would be
> good if it could be a Rivendell community project, not something
> that falls on the shoulders of one person (though Cowboy we are very
> grateful for all your contributions and support).
> 
> 
>  On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 00:33:24 + *Cowboy  >* wrote 
> 
> On Monday 29 January 2018 06:36:08 pm Andy Higginson wrote:
> > How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think
> it could be time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this
> possibly being easier than trying to edit all of the articles to
> make them up to date.
> >
> 
> I can't promise that it'll happen, but I can promise to push it
> up the list.
> 
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> 
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> Oh, tidings of comfort and joy.
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> The disk is wobbling, too.
> We've found a bug in Lisp, and Algol
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[drew Roberts]

IIRC,

this is the company behind the wiki hosting:

http://www.tryphon.eu/en/

and this is the main person who set it up:

http://blog.tryphon.org/alban/

https://twitter.com/apeignier

all the best,

drew

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:22 AM, Andy Higginson  wrote:

> Who looks after the Wiki now?  Is it possible for some of us to get login
> details so that we can update it?  Patrick mentioned that he had tried to
> get access to it and hadn't had any reply.  It would be good if it could be
> a Rivendell community project, not something that falls on the shoulders of
> one person (though Cowboy we are very grateful for all your contributions
> and support).
>
>
>  On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 00:33:24 + *Cowboy  >* wrote 
>
> On Monday 29 January 2018 06:36:08 pm Andy Higginson wrote:
> > How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could
> be time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being
> easier than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
> >
>
> I can't promise that it'll happen, but I can promise to push it up the
> list.
>
> --
> Cowboy
>
> http://cowboy.cwf1.com
>
> God rest ye CS students now,
> Let nothing you dismay.
> The VAX is down and won't be up,
> Until the first of May.
> The program that was due this morn,
> Won't be postponed, they say.
>
> Oh, tidings of comfort and joy,
> Comfort and joy,
> Oh, tidings of comfort and joy.
>
> The bearings on the drum are gone,
> The disk is wobbling, too.
> We've found a bug in Lisp, and Algol
> Can't tell false from true.
> And now we find that we can't get
> At Berkeley's 4.2.
>
> (chorus)
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Andy Higginson]

Who looks after the Wiki now?  Is it possible for some of us to get login 
details so that we can update it?  Patrick mentioned that he had tried to get 
access to it and hadn't had any reply.  It would be good if it could be a 
Rivendell community project, not something that falls on the shoulders of one 
person (though Cowboy we are very grateful for all your contributions and 
support).





 On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 00:33:24 + Cowboy c...@cwf1.com wrote 




On Monday 29 January 2018 06:36:08 pm Andy Higginson wrote:

 How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could be 
time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being easier than 
trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.

 



 I can't promise that it'll happen, but I can promise to push it up the list.



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God rest ye CS students now,

Let nothing you dismay.

The VAX is down and won't be up,

Until the first of May.

The program that was due this morn,

Won't be postponed, they say.



Oh, tidings of comfort and joy,

Comfort and joy,

Oh, tidings of comfort and joy.



The bearings on the drum are gone,

The disk is wobbling, too.

We've found a bug in Lisp, and Algol

Can't tell false from true.

And now we find that we can't get

At Berkeley's 4.2.



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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Mike Carroll]

github.com provides a project-level Wiki of some sort. But it looks like
you need a github id just to see it. I think it's also intended to be
geared towards the development process, not user-level stuff.

https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell/wiki

Mike



On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:33 PM Cowboy  wrote:

> On Monday 29 January 2018 06:36:08 pm Andy Higginson wrote:
> > How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could
> be time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being
> easier than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
> >
>
>  I can't promise that it'll happen, but I can promise to push it up the
> list.
>
> --
> Cowboy
>
> http://cowboy.cwf1.com
>
> God rest ye CS students now,
> Let nothing you dismay.
> The VAX is down and won't be up,
> Until the first of May.
> The program that was due this morn,
> Won't be postponed, they say.
>
> Oh, tidings of comfort and joy,
> Comfort and joy,
> Oh, tidings of comfort and joy.
>
> The bearings on the drum are gone,
> The disk is wobbling, too.
> We've found a bug in Lisp, and Algol
> Can't tell false from true.
> And now we find that we can't get
> At Berkeley's 4.2.
>
> (chorus)
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Cowboy]

On Monday 29 January 2018 06:36:08 pm Andy Higginson wrote:
> How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could be 
> time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being easier 
> than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
> 

 I can't promise that it'll happen, but I can promise to push it up the list.

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God rest ye CS students now,
Let nothing you dismay.
The VAX is down and won't be up,
Until the first of May.
The program that was due this morn,
Won't be postponed, they say.

Oh, tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy,
Oh, tidings of comfort and joy.

The bearings on the drum are gone,
The disk is wobbling, too.
We've found a bug in Lisp, and Algol
Can't tell false from true.
And now we find that we can't get
At Berkeley's 4.2.

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Patrick]

When I started using Rivendell about a year ago, I found the Wiki very 
frustrating due to all of the outdated information.

As I learned more, I wanted to be able to make changes so the next person 
wouldn't have to go through the same vetting
process I did. I never received a response to my offer to help with the Wiki.

Rivendell is amazing. The amount of time and effort that has been put into it 
is stunning. I do wish the Wiki was open to the
Rivendell community for updates much like the source code on Github. It is very 
gratifying getting a email that a pull request
has been incorporated into a Rivendell release.

—
Patrick
My997.org
patr...@scnv.net


> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Andy Higginson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just over a year ago, we were discussing here on the mailing list the subject 
> of the Rivendell website and Wiki.  As a response to this I knocked together 
> a possible idea for a replacement site using Wordpress 
> http://test.higgles.co.uk/   This is something 
> that is probably worth having another bash at getting off the ground.  Is 
> there any interest in getting this moving?
> 
> Also, the Wiki is looking rather dated.  There are a number of dead and dated 
> links within the even the first few paragraphs of the wiki.  For example,  
> under Evaluating Rivendell, the link to the Broadcast Appliance is dead, as 
> is the outdated OpenSuse 11.2 link.  Also, RRAbunti is totally out of date by 
> a number of versions of both Ubuntu and Rivendell.  This is something that 
> should really be addressed so that Rivendell is not seen as being a dead 
> project by somebody just browsing the site for the first time.
> 
> How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could be 
> time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being easier 
> than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
> 
> I’m sorry if I have come over as being very negative.  I hope this will be 
> point of starting to get things updated.
> 
> Andy  
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Bob Reite]

100% agreed that it should be open source. There are a lot of open
source solutions to choose from, we should pick the best.

On 1/29/18 7:00 PM, Andy Higginson wrote:
> I was more thinking of the main part of the site for the Wordpress rather 
> than the Wiki.  The wiki I think should be like it is at the moment, a 
> separate area on the site.  The question also needs to be asked, is a Wiki 
> the best model to use for the support side of things or is there an 
> alternative solution in the wild?  Whatever solution is used, I personally 
> feel that it should be open source.
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jan 2018, at 23:43, Bob Reite  wrote:
>>
>> I think there are better content management systems than Wordpress for a
>> Wiki.   75% of Wordpress sites in the wild have security problems.
>>
>> On 1/29/18 6:36 PM, Andy Higginson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just over a year ago, we were discussing here on the mailing list the
>>> subject of the Rivendell website and Wiki.  As a response to this I
>>> knocked together a possible idea for a replacement site using Wordpress
>>> http://test.higgles.co.uk/  This is something that is probably worth
>>> having another bash at getting off the ground.  Is there any interest in
>>> getting this moving?
>>>
>>> Also, the Wiki is looking rather dated.  There are a number of dead and
>>> dated links within the even the first few paragraphs of the wiki.  For
>>> example,  under Evaluating Rivendell, the link to the Broadcast
>>> Appliance is dead, as is the outdated OpenSuse 11.2 link.  Also,
>>> RRAbunti is totally out of date by a number of versions of both Ubuntu
>>> and Rivendell.  This is something that should really be addressed so
>>> that Rivendell is not seen as being a dead project by somebody just
>>> browsing the site for the first time.
>>>
>>> How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could
>>> be time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being
>>> easier than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
>>>
>>> I’m sorry if I have come over as being very negative.  I hope this will
>>> be point of starting to get things updated.
>>>
>>> Andy  
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Andy Higginson]

I was more thinking of the main part of the site for the Wordpress rather than 
the Wiki.  The wiki I think should be like it is at the moment, a separate area 
on the site.  The question also needs to be asked, is a Wiki the best model to 
use for the support side of things or is there an alternative solution in the 
wild?  Whatever solution is used, I personally feel that it should be open 
source.


> On 29 Jan 2018, at 23:43, Bob Reite  wrote:
> 
> I think there are better content management systems than Wordpress for a
> Wiki.   75% of Wordpress sites in the wild have security problems.
> 
> On 1/29/18 6:36 PM, Andy Higginson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just over a year ago, we were discussing here on the mailing list the
>> subject of the Rivendell website and Wiki.  As a response to this I
>> knocked together a possible idea for a replacement site using Wordpress
>> http://test.higgles.co.uk/  This is something that is probably worth
>> having another bash at getting off the ground.  Is there any interest in
>> getting this moving?
>> 
>> Also, the Wiki is looking rather dated.  There are a number of dead and
>> dated links within the even the first few paragraphs of the wiki.  For
>> example,  under Evaluating Rivendell, the link to the Broadcast
>> Appliance is dead, as is the outdated OpenSuse 11.2 link.  Also,
>> RRAbunti is totally out of date by a number of versions of both Ubuntu
>> and Rivendell.  This is something that should really be addressed so
>> that Rivendell is not seen as being a dead project by somebody just
>> browsing the site for the first time.
>> 
>> How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could
>> be time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being
>> easier than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
>> 
>> I’m sorry if I have come over as being very negative.  I hope this will
>> be point of starting to get things updated.
>> 
>> Andy  
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website and Wiki

[Bob Reite]

I think there are better content management systems than Wordpress for a
Wiki.   75% of Wordpress sites in the wild have security problems.

On 1/29/18 6:36 PM, Andy Higginson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just over a year ago, we were discussing here on the mailing list the
> subject of the Rivendell website and Wiki.  As a response to this I
> knocked together a possible idea for a replacement site using Wordpress
> http://test.higgles.co.uk/  This is something that is probably worth
> having another bash at getting off the ground.  Is there any interest in
> getting this moving?
> 
> Also, the Wiki is looking rather dated.  There are a number of dead and
> dated links within the even the first few paragraphs of the wiki.  For
> example,  under Evaluating Rivendell, the link to the Broadcast
> Appliance is dead, as is the outdated OpenSuse 11.2 link.  Also,
> RRAbunti is totally out of date by a number of versions of both Ubuntu
> and Rivendell.  This is something that should really be addressed so
> that Rivendell is not seen as being a dead project by somebody just
> browsing the site for the first time.
> 
> How we go about all of this I don’t know.  However I do think it could
> be time for the Wiki to be rebuilt from scratch - this possibly being
> easier than trying to edit all of the articles to make them up to date.
> 
> I’m sorry if I have come over as being very negative.  I hope this will
> be point of starting to get things updated.
> 
> Andy  
> 
> 
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website

[Fred Gleason]

On Oct 31, 2016, at 12:10, Michael Barnes  wrote:

>  It's just that those pages are woefully out of date. It would be helpful if 
> they were more current.

I would love to see that site renovated and brought into the 21st Century.  No 
question that it looks like a time warp from 1996 right now.

Any volunteers?  Paravel will gladly donate server space and hosting for such.

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website

[Bill Putney]

I'd suggest the Broadcast Appliance version of Rivendell from Paravel 
systems. You can find it at 
http://www.paravelsystems.com/rivendell-broadcast-appliance/ . It is a 
LiveCD and includes the Centos Linux distro. Put a CD or thumb drive in 
a PC and you have Rivendell in an hour or so. It requires a 64 bit 
computer with at least 512 GB of disk. I think 4 or 8 GB of memory would 
be good though I don't think the install script checks that. It will 
install a several different flavors of Rivendell depending on if you 
want a stand alone client/server or just a client. The server keeps the 
audio storage and the database for the audio. The client does the most 
of the work, has the user interface and does the playout of audio.


Bill Putney - WB6RFW
Chief Engineer
KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA

PP-SEL/A

"...you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think if I were wrong, I'd know 
it?" -Sheldon Cooper

On 10/30/16 9:47 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
I was recommending Rivendell to a radio station for their possible 
use. When I went to the RD home page, http://www.rivendellaudio.org/, 
I found the page was sorely outdated. The requirements section still 
listed SuSE 9.x and some of the other info was old as well. Kind of 
makes it hard to promote if the website is almost ten years old. Any 
plans for someone to bring it up to date?


Michael

BTW, I fat fingered the address first time I entered it and 
accidentally found the rivendellaudio.com  
domain is available for 12 easy payments of $175 or a one-time payment 
of $2095!




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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website

[VE4PER / Andy]

If outdated and nobody is maintaining the site, just add a redirect meta 
tag in the main page of www.rivendellaudio.org site sending someone to 
the main paravell site.



On 2016-10-31 08:26 AM, John Anderson wrote:

Good Point, although the official site is paravelsystems.com...

I don't know if the sites should/would ever be combined, but your
question does offer an interesting starting point...

thanks


On Sun, 2016-10-30 at 21:47 -0700, Michael Barnes wrote:

I was recommending Rivendell to a radio station for their possible
use. When I went to the RD home page, http://www.rivendellaudio.org/,
I found the page was sorely outdated. The requirements section still
listed SuSE 9.x and some of the other info was old as well. Kind of
makes it hard to promote if the website is almost ten years old. Any
plans for someone to bring it up to date?



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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website

[John Anderson]

Good Point, although the official site is paravelsystems.com...

I don't know if the sites should/would ever be combined, but your
question does offer an interesting starting point...

thanks


On Sun, 2016-10-30 at 21:47 -0700, Michael Barnes wrote:
> I was recommending Rivendell to a radio station for their possible
> use. When I went to the RD home page, http://www.rivendellaudio.org/,
> I found the page was sorely outdated. The requirements section still
> listed SuSE 9.x and some of the other info was old as well. Kind of
> makes it hard to promote if the website is almost ten years old. Any
> plans for someone to bring it up to date?



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