Re: SAM Downloads
Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest enthousiasm. It really annoys me to think of the stockpiles of ASICs just rotting in a corner somewhere. It'd be perfectly possible to put together a decent SBC with SAM BASIC for the electronics enthusiast market for 20 or 30 quid, but no Full-blown SAMs would never sell now, it's not like the Atari ST or Amiga market where there are some die-hard enthusiasts with decent modern software to use. Andy
Re: SAM Downloads
Van: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Onderwerp: Re: SAM Downloads Datum: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:55 Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. Why expecting it? It is already here, the Sam is dead as a doornail. At least that is what is happening in the Dutch situation, only a handfull of active Sam-users remain, and basically have everything that money could buy for the Sam. So don't expect a market overhere. Even in the very unlikely case that there are people who are willing to buy a Sam overhere in the Netherlands, there is no way that they gonna pay another 100 to a 150 quid for a decent collection of software. And i don't blame them (mind you, all back-issue's of Fred alone would (if they cost a pound per issue) cost you 80 pounds). This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest enthousiasm. But don't expect much from the new emulator-users unless they already own or have owned a Sam Coupe when it comes to programming-projects. Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. [god i love stirring it up!] I know the feeling, and i am glad you did. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently listening to : Cardcaptor Sakura - OST The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles.
Re: SAM Downloads
On 16 Aug 99, at 16:25, David Ledbury wrote: On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. =20 =20 I think before u even think of doing this - you should contact Persona: their telephone number is on my website www.persona.clara.net The reasons why we've put this debate into the public forum is to get feedback and debate the issue publically. Certainly the arguments _for_ putting some downloads up are clear. I'm waiting for someone to enter into the public forum and explain the reasons _against_. Of course I'm not out to put everybody in the SAM world out of a job, and I don't want to damage any potential trade that might exist, but most of teh games and utilities that I would be interested in putting on an ftp were written ten years ago - thing like MultiPack, Mind Games, Defenders etc. Utils like Etracker - freeware anyway now, perhaps version 1 of the MIDI Sequencer, Football Director II, Famous Five, Issues 1-50 of FRED, pretty much every other disk magazine. Most of the people on this list are likely to already have this stuff anyway - the only people who'd be getting freebies would be those who were new to the SAM Emulator scene - people who are unlikely to buy any of this software from a company whilst just dabbling with the SAM but who would possibly putmoney into the SAM if they got interested in it. Companies have been flogging some of this software for ten years now - imagine if Ocean were selling Hunchback or Mr Wimpy for full price whilst they were releasing Chase HQ on the Speccy - it would have been ridiculous. There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now - stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation with the SAM world rather than against it. A better idea would be to knock up a CDR with everything the SAM has had written for it on it plus an emulator. You could then flog this and redirect some money back into the companies who participated. The last tim this kind of idea was mooted around, various 'industry heavies' if indeed we have a SAM industry scrambled around desperately trying to put a stop to it all to preserve their crumbling monopolies. Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. [god i love stirring it up!] -- Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: OT: Celery, Athlon and other vegetables (was: RE: My take on the SAM Scene)
The BP6 board and the two chips cost me =A3205 inc VAT, which is pretty incredible bang for buck - who needs to save up? ;-) How much are Athlo= ns? only 195 + the dreaded v word !
RE: SAM Downloads
It really annoys me to think of the stockpiles of ASICs just rotting in a corner somewhere. It'd be perfectly possible to put together a decent SBC with SAM BASIC for the electronics enthusiast market for 20 or 30 quid, but no Full-blown SAMs would never sell now, it's not like the Atari ST or Amiga market where there are some die-hard enthusiasts with decent modern software to use. I mentioned to Bob ages ago that he should advertise the SAM in electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics experiments It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic a couple of years ago. But, No! he said... Justin.
Re: SAM Downloads
From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now - stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation with the SAM world rather than against it. One thing to remember is that there's been a recent case where a Brit put up illegal material onto a website in some Eastern European country, but still got taken to court here because that's where he did the uploading. But there's not much you can do if you have an anonymous webmaster running it all. Not that I'm advocating that of course... Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. Like it or not, this is indeed the case - either have a hand in it now and have some influence, or be frozen out forever. [god i love stirring it up!] Well, these things have to be said. Nick
Re: SAM Downloads
electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics experiments It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic a couple of years ago. It's the only thing I use my SAM for, and very convenient it is too. A real wated opportunity, if you ask me. Tweak the BASIC ROM to accept input from a PC keyboard, modify the DOS (and hold it in ROM) to read/write an EEPROM, add a PIO, and a serial interface to back-up files to a PC, and hey bingo: a perfect tinkerer's machine.
Downloads.
Iv'e sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on the Persona site. Anybody else got something... Bob Wilkinson.
RE: Downloads.
Damn! I knew I should keep a few DS/DD disks handy, here, at work Thanks. :) Justin. -Original Message- From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:03 PM To: Sam Usergroup Subject: Downloads. Iv'e sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on the Persona site. Anybody else got something... Bob Wilkinson.
Re: SAM Downloads
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nick Humphries wrote: [god i love stirring it up!] Well, these things have to be said. Said to whom? As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L seems not to be involved with Persona any more. In fact I don't think anyone on Sam-users has the power to actually do anything about this, or at least not legally. (In fact, some months ago I considered the idea of putting Syncytium - possibly excepting one or two programs - online, but even my own hands are tied until someone from Persona gets back in contact to me.) It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore - and that's assuming you can even work out who owns what. The only person I'm convinced is familiar with enough of the details to be sure about the situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a straight answer were he ever asked. Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file --
Re: SAM Downloads
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; To whom? the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L seems not to be involved with Persona any more. So who *is* involved with Persona? It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore That must make it rather difficult to buy anything - no wonder there isn't much of a market... imc
Re: SAM Downloads
I mentioned to Bob ages ago that he should advertise the SAM in electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics experiments It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic a couple of years ago. But, No! he said... Justin. To add to that :) A while (OK a very long time ago) when the SAM came out it was featured in the Magazine Everyday Electronics, where they did some stuff about its interface, etc... I was too young to do much with it then. Unfortunately due to various problems we all know about, they stopped the SAM speccy column. I believe they have a PC one now. Diggory -- /\ /\ Be quick to judge yourself and / \_/ \ slow to judge others / . . \EOW CAT Y http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/
Re: SAM Downloads
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Ian Collier wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; To whom? IIRC Darren Wileman. Who did nothing until selling it to someone else. I think it all may eventually have got as far as Persona, but I lose track. the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L seems not to be involved with Persona any more. So who *is* involved with Persona? Malcolm's family, as far as I can gather. But, well - shortly after Malcolm's death noone knew whether Persona would be continuing, and there were various (entirely reasonable and understandable) requests not to overwhelm the family with enquiries about Malcolm's old business. And as far as I was aware, that hadn't changed. Which is why I hadn't written nor phoned - not wanting to upset anyone I've been just waiting until some sort of announcement was made. But so far there's been nothing. And yet, the website implies that Persona is open for business, at the old address. I just don't know whether to believe that or not, since the site doesn't appear to have been updated that much for a long while. For some time I've been wanting to buy Chris Pile's Defender game. But I've been too nervous about Persona's current stalemate to dare send a cheque - who knows if I'd ever see it again? It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore That must make it rather difficult to buy anything - no wonder there isn't much of a market... Yes, this is precisely what Si Owen was saying too. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file --
RE: SAM Downloads
Andrew Collier wrote: For some time I've been wanting to buy Chris Pile's Defender game. But I've been too nervous about Persona's current stalemate to dare send a cheque - who knows if I'd ever see it again? Back in April I was asking about buying software from Persona and Dave Ledbury said I should be fine to place an order, making the cheque payable to Mrs Mackenzie. I didn't receive the order and the cheque was never payed in AFAIK (don't they expire after about 6 months?). Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can re-order the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message from David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck until Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to wait a bit. Si
Re: SAM Downloads
-Original Message- From: Si Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can re-order the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message from David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck until Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to wait a bit. No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game was written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made between myself and Malcolm. Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and I've mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was never going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden forever... However, it would be morally wrong of me to release it without his 'permission' as he seems to be the only tangible link to Persona. So far he's been rather vague about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the dark' as the rest of us. Chris.
RE: SAM Downloads
From Chris Pile: So far he's been rather vague about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the dark' as the rest of us. This is true.. He still hasn't been given permission to release the latest in the Blitz disk-mag series... Justin.
Re: SAM Downloads
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Chris Pile wrote: No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game was written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made between myself and Malcolm. Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and I've mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was never going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden forever... Syncytium is in the same boat entirely, except it is much older (and shows it!). I really think it has sold as many copies as it is going to, at least at its current price. But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale at a Gloucester show, for example? (I often tried to buy software at shows rather than by mail, partly because you can only be sure a product is released when you've got a copy in your hand...) Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file --
RE: SAM Downloads
Andrew Collier wrote: But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale at a Gloucester show, for example? I'm up for buying it from anyone that's offering (legally)! I can't remember what else I was interested in buying now tho. I'll have to have a look around for some reviews - I'm open to suggestions too... Si
Re: SAM Downloads
-Original Message- From: Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale at a Gloucester show, for example? I'm not sure. I think it was demoed at the last NSSS Malcolm attended, as for other outlets I can't say. I did produce a playable demo for the next issue of Blitz but I don't know if it will be included. Assuming there will be a next issue of Blitz that is!! (I often tried to buy software at shows rather than by mail, partly because you can only be sure a product is released when you've got a copy in your hand...) Agreed. However, I can assure you Defender is complete. In fact it was finished back in February. Sadly, now getting hold of a copy is a different story... Chris.
RE: SAM Downloads
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Si Owen wrote: I can't remember what else I was interested in buying now tho. I'll have to have a look around for some reviews - I'm open to suggestions too... Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... both superb games too, IMHO (they each got Game Of The Month! in Second Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Funny that! Wasn't someone saying that old games should start getting packaged in compilations? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file --
Re: SAM Downloads
On 20 Aug 99, at 10:21, Andrew Collier wrote: It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore - and that's assuming you can even work out who owns what. The only person I'm convinced is familiar with enough of the details to be sure about the situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a straight answer were he ever asked. Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. But if we could all agree in principle to trying to release some of the earlier stuff from their contracts we could get quite a nice little database of stuff up online. And where has Bob gone? I've normally got a mailbox of hatemail by now for suggesting stuf like this... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: SAM Downloads
On 19 Aug 99, at 22:53, Robert van der Veeke wrote: Even in the very unlikely case that there are people who are willing to buy a Sam overhere in the Netherlands, there is no way that they gonna pay another 100 to a 150 quid for a decent collection of software. And i don't blame them (mind you, all back-issue's of Fred alone would (if they cost a pound per issue) cost you 80 pounds). Which is why issue 1-30 at the vey least should be released on an ftp somewhere. This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest enthousiasm. But don't expect much from the new emulator-users unless they already own or have owned a Sam Coupe when it comes to programming-projects. But SIMCoupe might just bring back into the fold some of teh talented programmers we've lost. Without a doubt some of teh best programmers have originated on Speccy and then moved to Sam. Just look at what a small user base we had, and then look at the quality of some of the games we got. Wouldn't it be nice if people who had gone on to better things were able to double click on a little Sim Coupe icon on their desktop and run off some more works of art for fun? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: SAM Downloads
-Original Message- From: Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... both superb games too, IMHO (they each got Game Of The Month! in Second Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Check out the 3d racing game RE-VOLT, due out on the PC shortly. This was written by Balor Knight (who know works at Acclaim), the author of both Astroball Dyzonium... That's *almost* on topic! ;-)
SAM Stuff for sale
Anybody who wants some SAM software, I'm selling the rest of mine... All magazines £1 each FRED 1-75 SAM Supp 1-24 SCAC 1-12 (although you can downloads these anyway from somewhere) Newsdisk 1-5 Various others (enceladus, primus etc.) Make an offer for the games (some have got the original boxes which you can have if you pay postage on them) Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
RE: SAM Downloads
On 20 Aug 99, at 16:47, Andrew Collier wrote: Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... both superb games too, IMHO (they each got Game Of The Month! in Second Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games Funny that! Wasn't someone saying that old games should start getting packaged in compilations? But where can we get it from? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: SAM Downloads
[snip] situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a straight answer were he ever asked. Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. Why? Do it anyway, and see what Bob does. Unlikely to be anything now, given that the Sam is effectively dead (and has been for quite some time). -- Paul The INTJ's Prayer: Lord keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be. -- quoted by Kevin Scaldeferri in sci.physics, 10th July 1998.
Re: SAM Stuff for sale
Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Anybody know which of these I could use with SIM Coupé? Also, sorry to remove from the mystique, but Ore Warz 2 is on nvg . . . -Thomas
Re: SAM Stuff for sale
I could do with at least one copy of all those titles. What's a fair - and not forgetting I'm no millionare - price for them all (software wise!)? - Original Message - From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: SAM Stuff for sale Anybody who wants some SAM software, I'm selling the rest of mine... All magazines £1 each FRED 1-75 SAM Supp 1-24 SCAC 1-12 (although you can downloads these anyway from somewhere) Newsdisk 1-5 Various others (enceladus, primus etc.) Make an offer for the games (some have got the original boxes which you can have if you pay postage on them) Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: SAM Downloads
Smashing! - Original Message - From: Chris Pile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 5:26 PM Subject: Re: SAM Downloads -Original Message- From: Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... both superb games too, IMHO (they each got Game Of The Month! in Second Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Check out the 3d racing game RE-VOLT, due out on the PC shortly. This was written by Balor Knight (who know works at Acclaim), the author of both Astroball Dyzonium... That's *almost* on topic! ;-)
Re: SAM Stuff for sale
Oh - and Malcolm managed to sort out owner ship on just about all of these (exc3eept the jupiter stuff (excluding Booty!)!) - Original Message - From: David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 7:20 PM Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk It won't get better but it might never get worse...
