Re: Sophistry
Hi Andrew (and all other SAMmers) Seems, as if christmas would be interesting. because I also have a structure layout of a new site and some content, but it´s all a matter of time. As I run a club for Spectrum and SAM, this side will be for Spectrum and SAM users. For those who are curious, here the very raw bit: http://spc.gmc-clan.de/downloads2/ I hope to have more for download before christmas... Cheers, Wolfgang Andrew Collier schrieb: Oh David, why do you have to take everything so damn personally? Sorry. Let me rephrase my last post. I'm happy to take on responsibility for getting a community site up and running. With all the other things you've got on your plate, the Sam site can be one less thing for you to worry about. I'd be interested to see what you'd got so far, though I have some ideas of my own and a basic site structure laid out. Please don't feel it's all a waste of time; when this site is open for contributions, I think everybody will find your input very valuable. It will take a short while, but I think I can have a prototype ready for content by Christmas. Andrew On 13 Dec 2005, at 01:23, david wrote: You're probably right. It was a waste of my time anyway. Project abandoned. --- Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Dec 2005, at 19:31, david wrote: (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... No offence, but the way you say that makes me even more convinced that I should start doing it myself... Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
Wow, that's a pretty nice page. I like it :-)Wolfgang Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew (and all other SAMmers)Seems, as if christmas would be interesting. because I also have a structure layout of a new site and some content, but it´s all a matter of time. As I run a club for Spectrum and SAM, this side will be for Spectrum and SAM users. For those who are curious, here the very raw bit:http://spc.gmc-clan.de/downloads2/I hope to have more for download before christmas...Cheers, WolfgangAndrew Collier schrieb: Oh David, why do you have to take everything so damn personally? Sorry. Let me rephrase my last post. I'm happy to take on responsibility for getting a community site up and running. With all the ot her things you've got on your plate, the Sam site can be one less thing for you to worry about. I'd be interested to see what you'd got so far, though I have some ideas of my own and a basic site structure laid out. Please don't feel it's all a waste of time; when this site is open for contributions, I think everybody will find your input very valuable. It will take a short while, but I think I can have a prototype ready for content by Christmas. Andrew On 13 Dec 2005, at 01:23, david wrote: You're probably right. It was a waste of my time anyway. Project abandoned. --- Andrew Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: On 10 Dec 2005, at 19:31, david wrote: (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... No offence, but the way you say that makes me even more convinced that I should start doing it myself... Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail
RE: Sophistry
Edwin Blink wrote: This is a Atom friendly version Cheers! simcoupe requires that fast disk loading is disabled to see the key ??? Mmmm, this comment in IO.cpp would certainly explain it: // To avoid accidents, purge keyboard input during accelerated disk access It was an attempt to avoid side-effects at the end of accelerated loading. I found that SAM BASIC behaved like you were holding Enter if you didn't release it very quickly. Another program (can't remember which) enabled a diagnostic border effect if you help F9 during loading, which was also triggered very easily. Rather than turn it into an optional feature, I'll try to think of a better work-around... :-) Si
Re: Sophistry
You're probably right. It was a waste of my time anyway. Project abandoned. --- Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Dec 2005, at 19:31, david wrote: (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... No offence, but the way you say that makes me even more convinced that I should start doing it myself... Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably right.It was a waste of my time anyway.Project abandoned. I think this is a bit of a shame :( I`m sincerely sure that this isn`t/wasn`t a waste of your time David... I know for one that I`ve been looking forward to your site and have checked whenever I could get online... I remeber talks/discussions on here with others (me included) asking if others could contirbute and you giving a yes, and whatever you have so far would be appreciated by us other SAM users.. I`m sure with such a small SAM hardcore userbase that not only is there room for a few of us to do archive sites, but further that the idea of more than one or two is possatively exciting... I remember when I first had internet access back in` `99 trawling the web for SAM stuff, people, info etc etc and the thought of what `could be` makes me both surprised and joyfully tearful that the SAM is not only surviving but is in a relatively healthy position. :) --- Andrew Collier wrote: On 10 Dec 2005, at 19:31, david wrote: (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... No offence, but the way you say that makes me even more convinced that I should start doing it myself... Andrew ----- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
Re: Sophistry
Oh David, why do you have to take everything so damn personally? Sorry. Let me rephrase my last post. I'm happy to take on responsibility for getting a community site up and running. With all the other things you've got on your plate, the Sam site can be one less thing for you to worry about. I'd be interested to see what you'd got so far, though I have some ideas of my own and a basic site structure laid out. Please don't feel it's all a waste of time; when this site is open for contributions, I think everybody will find your input very valuable. It will take a short while, but I think I can have a prototype ready for content by Christmas. Andrew On 13 Dec 2005, at 01:23, david wrote: You're probably right. It was a waste of my time anyway. Project abandoned. --- Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Dec 2005, at 19:31, david wrote: (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... No offence, but the way you say that makes me even more convinced that I should start doing it myself... Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
Is there a way to create SimCoupe-compatible images of protected disks yet? If you'd asked this next week it would have been a whole lot easier to answer! I've been trying to get a few things tidied up before Christmas, so some of it is a bit up in the air. I've got a test version of SamDisk that will image (almost) any SAM title under W2K/XP. It's missing some features from SamDisk 2.0, so it's not quite ready to replace the existing version yet. I'd be happy to send you a copy to try, if you're just looking to image some disks. One problem is that it creates images in EDSK format, which the current SimCoupe releases can't read. I've added support for it, but I'm in the middle of hacking the FDC emulation so I can't check my changes back in yet. It's likely to be a couple of days before I've put all the pieces back together though. Si Hi, I've been reading the list for a year or two now - never replied before *grin* - I'm one of those silent lurkers mentioned a few months back. Does this mean I might finally be able to load in Astroball, Manic Miner and Sam Strikes out? I managed to load in some of my own old disks, but (maybe not suprisingly) none of my protected ones. Gave up fairly quickly they're all hiding in the attic again now, along with poor abandoned Sam himself. I think I got Splat working though. Infuriating music to say the least. Carol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09/12/05
Re: Sophistry
Why don't you go and get the unprotected versions of those games? It's not ideal from Simon's point of view as he is desperate to emulate everything, but it's quite practical. ;-) /--- Aley - Original Message - From: Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Sophistry Is there a way to create SimCoupe-compatible images of protected disks yet? If you'd asked this next week it would have been a whole lot easier to answer! I've been trying to get a few things tidied up before Christmas, so some of it is a bit up in the air. I've got a test version of SamDisk that will image (almost) any SAM title under W2K/XP. It's missing some features from SamDisk 2.0, so it's not quite ready to replace the existing version yet. I'd be happy to send you a copy to try, if you're just looking to image some disks. One problem is that it creates images in EDSK format, which the current SimCoupe releases can't read. I've added support for it, but I'm in the middle of hacking the FDC emulation so I can't check my changes back in yet. It's likely to be a couple of days before I've put all the pieces back together though. Si Hi, I've been reading the list for a year or two now - never replied before *grin* - I'm one of those silent lurkers mentioned a few months back. Does this mean I might finally be able to load in Astroball, Manic Miner and Sam Strikes out? I managed to load in some of my own old disks, but (maybe not suprisingly) none of my protected ones. Gave up fairly quickly they're all hiding in the attic again now, along with poor abandoned Sam himself. I think I got Splat working though. Infuriating music to say the least. Carol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09/12/05
Re: Sophistry
Simon Owen wrote: One problem is that it creates images in EDSK format, which the current SimCoupe releases can't read. Both Woo! and D'oh! in the same mail :) Is this EDSK as in http://andercheran.aiind.upv.es/%7Eamstrad/docs/extdsk.html or a new SDF-ish format? Dan.
Re: Sophistry
From: Aley Keprt wrote: Why don't you go and get the unprotected versions of those games? Manic Miner does feature on the coverdisk with issue 9 of Sam Revival magazine (with full permission of the copyright owner of course) and the disk will work with SimCoupe. The next issue of Sam Revival (13) will be launched at the end of this week too. Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe April 1995-2005 - Celebrating 10 Years of developing for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
Re[2]: Sophistry
Aley It's not ideal from Simon's point of view as he is desperate to emulate Aley everything, but it's quite practical. ;-) I'm shocked! I can't believe there's something that SimCoupe **doesn't** emulate yet ;-) [ The only thing left to add after this will be the authentic noises, the slight dimming of the TV output when the FDDs/HDDs spin up and the slight haze you got on the RF out ;-) ] Aley - Original Message - Aley From: Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Aley Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:21 PM Aley Subject: Re: Sophistry Is there a way to create SimCoupe-compatible images of protected disks yet? If you'd asked this next week it would have been a whole lot easier to answer! I've been trying to get a few things tidied up before Christmas, so some of it is a bit up in the air. I've got a test version of SamDisk that will image (almost) any SAM title under W2K/XP. It's missing some features from SamDisk 2.0, so it's not quite ready to replace the existing version yet. I'd be happy to send you a copy to try, if you're just looking to image some disks. One problem is that it creates images in EDSK format, which the current SimCoupe releases can't read. I've added support for it, but I'm in the middle of hacking the FDC emulation so I can't check my changes back in yet. It's likely to be a couple of days before I've put all the pieces back together though. Si Hi, I've been reading the list for a year or two now - never replied before *grin* - I'm one of those silent lurkers mentioned a few months back. Does this mean I might finally be able to load in Astroball, Manic Miner and Sam Strikes out? I managed to load in some of my own old disks, but (maybe not suprisingly) none of my protected ones. Gave up fairly quickly they're all hiding in the attic again now, along with poor abandoned Sam himself. I think I got Splat working though. Infuriating music to say the least. Carol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09/12/05
Re: Sophistry
On 11 Dec 2005, at 02:23, Simon Owen wrote: I've got a test version of SamDisk that will image (almost) any SAM title under W2K/XP. It's missing some features from SamDisk 2.0, so it's not quite ready to replace the existing version yet. I'd be happy to send you a copy to try, if you're just looking to image some disks. Thanks for the offer; I'm not desperate to get my hands on it immediately, but I'm very glad to hear it's being worked on! Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
On 10 Dec 2005, at 19:31, david wrote: (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... No offence, but the way you say that makes me even more convinced that I should start doing it myself... Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:55:50 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samcoupe.org has been abandoned by Gavin Smith, I sent him loads of stuff, a complete waste of my time. Not completely - since everything is up there on ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/sam-coupe. I`m think about expanding my Pro-Dos site to include some kinda image dump before any other software is lost. There's plenty of room at nvg. BTY: SCADs manual pdf is 50% complete! soon to be on the Pro-Dos site and any ftps that request it. Please...anything you have. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
RE: Sophistry
Carol wrote: I've been reading the list for a year or two now - never replied before *grin* Welcome! Does this mean I might finally be able to load in Astroball, Manic Miner and Sam Strikes out? Yes - I've got images of those already, plus many more. The trouble is that many aren't freely distributable, so I've been sitting on them for a couple of years. At least they're all safely preserved in case my disks go bad, but I'm sure I don't own every SAM title so there are others still at risk. I've just added protected disk support to the (W2K/XP) real disk functionality in SimCoupe, so you can now boot most original game disks directly from the emulator. Though it's probably still best to use images created from them, so the originals can be safely stored away - more on being able to do that soon. Si
RE: Sophistry
Dan Dooré wrote: Is this EDSK as in http://andercheran.aiind.upv.es/%7Eamstrad/docs/extdsk.html or a new SDF-ish format? It's that very same EDSK format, as used for +3/CPC disks. I've had a couple of extensions added to it recently, to better handle some of the protected disks on those platforms. Ironically, the protections used on the +3/CPC are more challenging than the SAM, despite SAM's floppy controller being much more flexible. I'd originally dismissed the idea of using EDSK for SAM disks, due to difference in the controller status registers. When I looked again a few months back it seemed relatively easy to map the status bits between them, so there was no problem after all. EDSK does have its limitations, but it's nothing that affects any SAM disks I've seen so far. SDF can finally be killed off :-) This does raise the issue of disk extensions again, since EDSK images are generally stored as .dsk too. I've started using .mgt for old-style +D/SAM DSK images, to fit in with what's generally used in the Speccy scene. SimCoupe doesn't care about file extensions, so you can mix and match without any problems anyway. Si
RE: Sophistry
Aley Keprt wrote: Why don't you go and get the unprotected versions of those games? I don't think I've ever seen an unprotected version... Do you have a sample image you could send me? It's not ideal from Simon's point of view as he is desperate to emulate everything, but it's quite practical. ;-) I'm generally happy as long as the emulation is faithful to the original - in this case, working with the protected originals (or images of them). :-) Si
Re: Sophistry
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think I've ever seen an unprotected version... Do you have a sample image you could send me? http://home.wanadoo.nl/edwin.blink/samcoupe/diskimages/Sophistry.zip This is a Atom friendly version that will also run the speccy version when you hold down the S key while loading.(simcoupe requires that fast disk loading is disabled to see the key ???) Will be removed after the rightfull copyright owner starts moaning ;-) Edwin
RE: Sophistry
Andrew Collier wrote: It's a bit odd though - the music is messed up and you start the game with only one life. I remembered the single life limitation, but hadn't noticed the music difference until you said that. It does seem that the demo continues to use the menu music in the game, instead of switching to the slightly more subtle background music. Samdisk had read the floppy perfectly (or so it thought) so there's probably nothing wierd about the formatting of 10 sectors per track for 80 tracks. It's normal format except for one tiny difference, which you can see using: SamDisk.exe /scan a: /t:41-41 /s:0 Look carefully and you'll see the final 2 sectors are reversed: 41:0 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 8 The game checks this on startup using READ ID, and if the order isn't right it runs in demo mode. Cool huh? :-) Anyway, I've sent you both my SDF image of it. I don't know who owns the rights to it, so I'll not spread it any further for now. Is there a way to create SimCoupe-compatible images of protected disks yet? If you'd asked this next week it would have been a whole lot easier to answer! I've been trying to get a few things tidied up before Christmas, so some of it is a bit up in the air. I've got a test version of SamDisk that will image (almost) any SAM title under W2K/XP. It's missing some features from SamDisk 2.0, so it's not quite ready to replace the existing version yet. I'd be happy to send you a copy to try, if you're just looking to image some disks. One problem is that it creates images in EDSK format, which the current SimCoupe releases can't read. I've added support for it, but I'm in the middle of hacking the FDC emulation so I can't check my changes back in yet. It's likely to be a couple of days before I've put all the pieces back together though. Si
RE: Sophistry
This brings back happy memories! :-) Ah, the cunning protection scheme. The one life is indeed to let all you pirates think you copied the disc without a problem - I can't remember the music not changing. You can also run the Spectrum version if you type something in before booting the disc. Can't remember what it was though... I'm not sure about the rights either. Free for all as far as I'm concerned, but since the game is a port from the Speccy version I could imagine something belonging there. But then again since there is no acceptance / denial on WoS... Cheers! Stefan - still applying Z80 concepts in a 4GL environment ;-) ... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Simon Owen Sent: Sun 12/11/2005 03:23 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Sophistry Andrew Collier wrote: It's a bit odd though - the music is messed up and you start the game with only one life. I remembered the single life limitation, but hadn't noticed the music difference until you said that. It does seem that the demo continues to use the menu music in the game, instead of switching to the slightly more subtle background music. Samdisk had read the floppy perfectly (or so it thought) so there's probably nothing wierd about the formatting of 10 sectors per track for 80 tracks. It's normal format except for one tiny difference, which you can see using: SamDisk.exe /scan a: /t:41-41 /s:0 Look carefully and you'll see the final 2 sectors are reversed: 41:0 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 8 The game checks this on startup using READ ID, and if the order isn't right it runs in demo mode. Cool huh? :-) Anyway, I've sent you both my SDF image of it. I don't know who owns the rights to it, so I'll not spread it any further for now. Is there a way to create SimCoupe-compatible images of protected disks yet? If you'd asked this next week it would have been a whole lot easier to answer! I've been trying to get a few things tidied up before Christmas, so some of it is a bit up in the air. I've got a test version of SamDisk that will image (almost) any SAM title under W2K/XP. It's missing some features from SamDisk 2.0, so it's not quite ready to replace the existing version yet. I'd be happy to send you a copy to try, if you're just looking to image some disks. One problem is that it creates images in EDSK format, which the current SimCoupe releases can't read. I've added support for it, but I'm in the middle of hacking the FDC emulation so I can't check my changes back in yet. It's likely to be a couple of days before I've put all the pieces back together though. Si winmail.dat
Sophistry
About a week ago, I suddenly had the desire to play the SAM version of Sophistry, again. I have no idea why. Of course, living in the United States, I no longer have access to either my SAM, or my copy of Sophistry (which I purchased when it was first released). So, I'm wondering if anyone would have any objection to helping me out with a disk image...? If yes, thank you. Muchly. :) -- James R Curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good to know the world is in no short supply of freaks. Too bad no one's figured out a way to use them as fuel. - Lisa Galgano.
Re: Sophistry
On 10 Dec 2005, at 14:38, James R Curry wrote: About a week ago, I suddenly had the desire to play the SAM version of Sophistry, again. I have no idea why. Of course, living in the United States, I no longer have access to either my SAM, or my copy of Sophistry (which I purchased when it was first released). So, I'm wondering if anyone would have any objection to helping me out with a disk image...? You have mail. It's a bit odd though - the music is messed up and you start the game with only one life. I think it's detected that it's not an original disk, and put itself into some sort of pirate-happy demo mode. Putting the disk into my real Sam demonstrates that the floppy itself is intact. Samdisk had read the floppy perfectly (or so it thought) so there's probably nothing wierd about the formatting of 10 sectors per track for 80 tracks. Is there some protection going on in tracks 80 and 81? If so, what can any of us do about it? Is there a way to create SimCoupe-compatible images of protected disks yet? There was a lot of talk about this about a year ago... Simon? Anyone? Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, Andrew Collier produced: On 10 Dec 2005, at 14:38, James R Curry wrote: About a week ago, I suddenly had the desire to play the SAM version of Sophistry, again. I have no idea why. Of course, living in the United States, I no longer have access to either my SAM, or my copy of Sophistry (which I purchased when it was first released). So, I'm wondering if anyone would have any objection to helping me out with a disk image...? You have mail. Yep, thanks to both you and Dan Doore. :) It's a bit odd though - the music is messed up and you start the game with only one life. I think it's detected that it's not an original disk, and put itself into some sort of pirate-happy demo mode. That definitely appears to be the case... Thanks again, anyway. :)-- James R Curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good to know the world is in no short supply of freaks. Too bad no one's figured out a way to use them as fuel. - Lisa Galgano.
RE: Sophistry
Any idea what happened to the online rom dump that was proposed on here about a year ago? I think Gavin was in charge (can't rememember) but I've been away from here for so long. johnna -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James R Curry Sent: 10 December 2005 18:34 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sophistry Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, Andrew Collier produced: On 10 Dec 2005, at 14:38, James R Curry wrote: About a week ago, I suddenly had the desire to play the SAM version of Sophistry, again. I have no idea why. Of course, living in the United States, I no longer have access to either my SAM, or my copy of Sophistry (which I purchased when it was first released). So, I'm wondering if anyone would have any objection to helping me out with a disk image...? You have mail. Yep, thanks to both you and Dan Doore. :) It's a bit odd though - the music is messed up and you start the game with only one life. I think it's detected that it's not an original disk, and put itself into some sort of pirate-happy demo mode. That definitely appears to be the case... Thanks again, anyway. :)-- James R Curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good to know the world is in no short supply of freaks. Too bad no one's figured out a way to use them as fuel. - Lisa Galgano.
Re: Sophistry
On 10 Dec 2005, at 16:34, Johnna wrote: Any idea what happened to the online rom dump that was proposed on here about a year ago? I think Gavin was in charge (can't rememember) but I've been away from here for so long. It started, and then it died. And then someone else said they'd start one instead, and it hasn't got going yet. I'm about this close --- --- to give up waiting, and doing one myself (want a job done properly, etc.) Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- --
Re: Sophistry
Hi In a message dated 12/10/2005 16:42:43 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any idea what happened to the online rom dump that was proposed on hereabout a year ago?I think Gavin was in charge (can't rememember) but I've been away from herefor so long.johnna Samcoupe.org has been abandoned by Gavin Smith, I sent him loads of stuff, a complete waste of my time. I`m think about expanding my Pro-Dos site to include some kinda image dump before any other software is lost. BTY: SCADs manual pdf is 50% complete! soon to be on the Pro-Dos site and any ftps that request it.regards to all,Steve(spt)www.samcoupe-pro-dos.co.ukwww.jupiter-ace.co.uk
Re: Sophistry
To be fair, the site was either gavins - or mine. Mine was rather slowed down by a combination of illnesses, moving and also some issues in some projects i'm involved in (none-Sam related open source stuff) - which ended up with more responsibilities being given to me than I would have chosen. (Blah - sounds like a load of excuses doesnt it? Happens to be true, but still sounds like it :() Anyway - I hope to get something sorted soon ... please bear with me :(