RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy

Are you saying women reject sexy women.  I think we seek to be them.  I do
not think the jealousy factor is at work here.  I used to love movies with
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one.  I was taking notes, I was
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
poorly marketed.  Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy.  Some decided to sell in the
previews a pure slasher horror.  If I had not read the reviews, I would have
thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
bite off a guys important part.  I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came
to targeting mainstream males.  She did not look sexy in the previews, and
the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it.  If I
were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a
transformers DVD instead, based on those previews



-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One
Million Years B.C.").  Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in
all her movies before she was allowed to kick triumphant butt.  Liz Taylor
is perhaps the exception that proves the rule but she, too, was slapped
around in a number of her iconic roles and the films where she exuded pure
female sexual power ("Cleopatra") were not box office hits.

And, to be clear about this, the article stated females rejected Fox not for
being "too sexy and beautiful" but because of her "pure, raw sexuality,"
which is something else altogether.  Barbie is "too sexy and beautiful."
Fox is no Barbie doll.

There is an ongoing dynamic going on but you may ignore it if it suits you.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female
audiences? 
> And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and
beautiful for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and
depth that makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I
mean, there have been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been
classified as beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel
Welch, from Pam Grier to Halle Berry. Such women have always found a female
audience, depending on the roles they play. 
> I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009: 
> 
> "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's
"sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror
movie don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and
I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads
with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." 
> 
> Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah
Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. 
> 
> "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make
sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions." 
> 
> I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie. 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
>






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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Mr. Worf]

That is one of the problems that I have with American film making. We get
the "pretty people" and not necessarily people that can really act. The best
actors that we have are often the supporting actors or character actors.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> There are other actresses out there?
>
> ~rave?
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Ok, there are other actresses out there yall! Let someone else get
> famous!
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of
> Copperhead's
> > > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson
> could
> > > pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!"  Is
> she
> > > too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now?
> Sure...but
> > > this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse,
> and the
> > > incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp
> factor.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@..., "Cinque3000" <
> > > cinque3...@...>, "Sincere" 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,'
> but
> > > who's left to kill?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin
> > > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment
> that
> > > would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended.  Six years
> since
> > > Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made
> waves
> > > by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.
> > >
> > > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico
> on
> > > Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or
> around
> > > 2014.  According to Variety,<
> http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009525.html?categoryid=13&cs=1>the
> filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween.  He's currently
> > > contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a
> Western or
> > > a '30's type gangster movie.
> > >
> > > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with
> her
> > > baby and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that "Copperhead's"
> > > daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely
> protagonist now
> > > that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her
> mind. The
> > > "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in
> > > flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer.
> > >
> > > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature?  It's unclear
> > > whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the
> rights
> > > too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the
> > > recently gutted indie specialty label.  Needless to say, parent company
> > > Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has
> > > already grossed $332 million worldwide.  Plus, the mammoth success of
> > > "Basterds" this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that
> > > Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over.
> > >
> > > Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic
> comedy
> > > "Motherhood."
> > >  
> > > More on this story as it develops on HitFix.
> > > *
> > > Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill?  Do you think it's
> > > still a good idea?  *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> > >
> > > The Green Economy Post
> > >
> > > http://greeneconomypost.com
> > >
> > > tra...@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

That too sexy stuff is bu...@#$.  I’m think of some of the women that women 
have admired in Hollywood and the majority of them have been perceived as sexy. 
 It is possible that it has more to do with her public persona.  Which I do not 
have a handle on, but she does not come across as someone they want to be like. 
   The horror market analysis has me puzzled as well.   I never knew women 
drove the market.  I assumed horror was a date type flick because it made the 
grope move easy to maneuver for both parties, but I never remember horror and 
slasher flicks being what we talked about in the girl’s room , our lockers or 
at lunch.  Maybe things have changed 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:15 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 



"Yes Keith, you did fall asleep but only for a little while Would you like 
another treatment?"

LOL... :) 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:

 

Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female 
audiences?
And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and beautiful 
for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and depth that 
makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I mean, there have 
been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been classified as 
beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel Welch, from Pam 
Grier to Halle Berry.  Such women have always found a female audience, 
depending on the roles they play. 
I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions.

- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

>From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009:

"Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's 
"sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror movie 
don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and I don't 
know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads with pure, raw 
sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." 

Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah 
Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. 

"If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make sure 
she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions."

I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie.

~(no)rave!

 




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[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Kelwyn]

Uh, did you write anything after "Rosario Dawson"?

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could 
> pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" Is she too 
> old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is 
> Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the 
> incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@..., "Cinque3000" , 
> "Sincere"  
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that 
> would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since 
> Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by 
> letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 
> 
> Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on 
> Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around 
> 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture 
> inbetween. He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of 
> genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. 
> 
> "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby 
> and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" daughter, 
> who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now that she's 
> all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The "Bill" 
> portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks 
> after David Carradine's death this past summer. 
> 
> More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether 
> this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when 
> they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently 
> gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would 
> hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed 
> $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds" this summer 
> ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture 
> is hardly over. 
> 
> Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
> "Motherhood." 
> 
> More on this story as it develops on HitFix. 
> 
> Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill? Do you think it's still 
> a good idea? 
> 
> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer 
> 
> The Green Economy Post 
> 
> http://greeneconomypost.com 
> 
> tra...@...
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Kelwyn]

There are other actresses out there?

~rave?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Ok, there are other actresses out there yall! Let someone else get famous!
> 
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's
> > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could
> > pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!"  Is she
> > too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but
> > this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the
> > incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@..., "Cinque3000" <
> > cinque3...@...>, "Sincere" 
> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but
> > who's left to kill?
> >
> >
> >
> >  During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin
> > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that
> > would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended.  Six years since
> > Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves
> > by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.
> >
> > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on
> > Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around
> > 2014.  According to 
> > Variety,the
> >  filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween.  He's currently
> > contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or
> > a '30's type gangster movie.
> >
> > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her
> > baby and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that "Copperhead's"
> > daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now
> > that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The
> > "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in
> > flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer.
> >
> > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature?  It's unclear
> > whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights
> > too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the
> > recently gutted indie specialty label.  Needless to say, parent company
> > Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has
> > already grossed $332 million worldwide.  Plus, the mammoth success of
> > "Basterds" this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that
> > Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over.
> >
> > Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy
> > "Motherhood."
> >  
> > More on this story as it develops on HitFix.
> > *
> > Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill?  Do you think it's
> > still a good idea?  *
> >
> >
> > http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
> >
> >
> >
> > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> >
> > The Green Economy Post
> >
> > http://greeneconomypost.com
> >
> > tra...@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One 
Million Years B.C.").  Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in 
all her movies before she was allowed to kick triumphant butt.  Liz Taylor is 
perhaps the exception that proves the rule but she, too, was slapped around in 
a number of her iconic roles and the films where she exuded pure female sexual 
power ("Cleopatra") were not box office hits.

And, to be clear about this, the article stated females rejected Fox not for 
being "too sexy and beautiful" but because of her "pure, raw sexuality," which 
is something else altogether.  Barbie is "too sexy and beautiful."  Fox is no 
Barbie doll.

There is an ongoing dynamic going on but you may ignore it if it suits you.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female 
> audiences? 
> And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and 
> beautiful for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and 
> depth that makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I 
> mean, there have been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been 
> classified as beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel 
> Welch, from Pam Grier to Halle Berry. Such women have always found a female 
> audience, depending on the roles they play. 
> I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009: 
> 
> "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's 
> "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror 
> movie don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and 
> I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads with 
> pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." 
> 
> Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah 
> Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. 
> 
> "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make 
> sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions." 
> 
> I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie. 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Mr. Worf]

Ok, there are other actresses out there yall! Let someone else get famous!

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's
> daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could
> pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!"  Is she
> too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but
> this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the
> incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@yahoo.com, "Cinque3000" <
> cinque3...@verizon.net>, "Sincere" 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but
> who's left to kill?
>
>
>
>  During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin
> Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that
> would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended.  Six years since
> Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves
> by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.
>
> Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on
> Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around
> 2014.  According to 
> Variety,the
>  filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween.  He's currently
> contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or
> a '30's type gangster movie.
>
> "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her
> baby and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that "Copperhead's"
> daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now
> that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The
> "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in
> flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer.
>
> More curious is who exactly would produce the feature?  It's unclear
> whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights
> too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the
> recently gutted indie specialty label.  Needless to say, parent company
> Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has
> already grossed $332 million worldwide.  Plus, the mammoth success of
> "Basterds" this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that
> Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over.
>
> Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy
> "Motherhood."
>  
> More on this story as it develops on HitFix.
> *
> Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill?  Do you think it's
> still a good idea?  *
>
>
> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
>
>
>
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
>
> The Green Economy Post
>
> http://greeneconomypost.com
>
> tra...@greeneconomypost.com
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Mr. Worf]

"Yes Keith, you did fall asleep but only for a little while Would you
like another treatment?"

LOL... :)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female
> audiences?
> And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and
> beautiful for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and
> depth that makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I
> mean, there have been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been
> classified as beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel
> Welch, from Pam Grier to Halle Berry.  Such women have always found a female
> audience, depending on the roles they play.
> I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>
> From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009:
>
> "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's
> "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror
> movie don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and
> I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads
> with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff."
>
> Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah
> Hex," aimed at her core: young guys.
>
> "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make
> sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions."
>
> I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Mr. Worf]

That is true about MLK. Also toward the end people were calling him a
communist too. I think that there were more than likely power struggles
during that time frame as well.

I think scandals seem to go with the territory of local politics. I have
read some scandals locally that were pretty tame in comparison to LA. A few
years ago I was in LA and a city supervisor was being hounded by reporters
and he turned around and peed at the reporters! That is crazy.

Power is an addiction though. It can corrupt even if your intentions are
initially well meaning.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Don't forget, Martin Luther King himself was opposed by many successful
> blacks who felt he was stirring up trouble and derided him. Malcolm X was
> seen as a thug by many in power. There are many blacks who are selfish and
> arrogant and contemptuous of others, just as there are people like that from
> any race.
>
> When I first moved to Atlanta, I was enamored of the "Black Mecca". So cool
> was it, in 1987, to have a big city with an actual black mayor! A city
> council dominated by blacks...black colleges...upscale black neighborhoods.
> It was great. Then all sorts of scandals broke, with allegations of drug
> abuse and infidelity circulating among some of the most influential blacks
> in Atlanta. I watched the families of Maynard Jackson, Andrew Young, Julian
> Bond, Hosea Williams, and Ralph David Abernathy engage in infighting, power
> struggles, name calling, acccusations, rewriting history, and self-serving
> deal making. I watched black leaders show disdain for their poorer fellows
> as they amassed more power and money. I saw an Atlanta police force with a
> large black contingent get accused of abusing citizens. I watched, was
> dismayed, disappointed, disillusioned--and educated.
>
> Not that it's the rule, mind you. The majority of black leaders here are
> good and fight the fight. But, what i learned was that we can be human just
> like anyone else, and can be affected by greed, lust for power, and
> pettiness just like anyone else. It was a sobering lesson, but one I'm glad
> I learned. My late father came from a time when black men always waved to
> each other on the street, whether they knew each other or not (I still do
> that). I was raised to think that we as a race should always stick together
> and fight for higher goals than the majority power structure. I was raised
> to think we can and should be better than the majority, because our history
> of suffering and abuse should make us want to act and be better.
>
> 'Tain't the case, sad to say. We're just as human as anyone else...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:44:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes
> again...
>
>
>
> What is going on with people some of the people in black people congress
> lately? Is it the constant barage from the republicants that has made them
> all loose their religion?
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Worf, for the second time in as many days I find myself using the same
>> thought.
>>
>> My first reason was enough for me.
>>
>> And the really scary thing about that? Mrs Johnson is a registered
>> *Democrat*. Folks who know her are bewildered by her decision to back
>> McDonnell.
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:42 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes
>> again...
>>
>>Another reason to hate BET.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter > > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican
>> gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate,
>> Creigh Deeds.
>>
>> Exactly how has to be seen to be believed...
>>
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html
>>
>> Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago)
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Mr. Worf]

There are some people that are so close to the border between the two
parties that you would be hard pressed to tell where their interests really
lie. She may be has been corrupted?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> She's also rich as heck, maybe the Dems are getting a bit too "common" for
> her nowadays.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:26:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes
> again...
>
>
>
> Mr Worf, for the second time in as many days I find myself using the same
> thought.
>
> My first reason was enough for me.
>
> And the really scary thing about that? Mrs Johnson is a registered
> *Democrat*. Folks who know her are bewildered by her decision to back
> McDonnell.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes
> again...
>
>Another reason to hate BET.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican
> gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate,
> Creigh Deeds.
>
> Exactly how has to be seen to be believed...
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html
>
> Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
> --
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> now.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Keith Johnson]

that could work... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Mohareb"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
who's left to kill? 






Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 
daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 
role in the intervening decade and a half. 

I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 

Justin 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 
< keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could 
> pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" Is she too 
> old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is 
> Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the 
> incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggs...@yahoo.com , "Cinque3000" < 
> cinque3...@verizon.net >, "Sincere" < sincere1...@gmail.com > 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that 
> would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since 
> Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by 
> letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 
> 
> Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on 
> Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around 
> 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture 
> inbetween. He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of 
> genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. 
> 
> "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby 
> and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" daughter, 
> who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now that she's 
> all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The "Bill" 
> portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks 
> after David Carradine's death this past summer. 
> 
> More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether 
> this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when 
> they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently 
> gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would 
> hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed 
> $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds" this summer 
> ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture 
> is hardly over. 
> 
> Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
> "Motherhood." 
> 
> More on this story as it develops on HitFix. 
> 
> Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill? Do you think it's still 
> a good idea? 
> 
> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer 
> 
> The Green Economy Post 
> 
> http://greeneconomypost.com 
> 
> tra...@greeneconomypost.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Keith Johnson]

Don't forget, Martin Luther King himself was opposed by many successful blacks 
who felt he was stirring up trouble and derided him. Malcolm X was seen as a 
thug by many in power. There are many blacks who are selfish and arrogant and 
contemptuous of others, just as there are people like that from any race. 

When I first moved to Atlanta, I was enamored of the "Black Mecca". So cool was 
it, in 1987, to have a big city with an actual black mayor! A city council 
dominated by blacks...black colleges...upscale black neighborhoods. It was 
great. Then all sorts of scandals broke, with allegations of drug abuse and 
infidelity circulating among some of the most influential blacks in Atlanta. I 
watched the families of Maynard Jackson, Andrew Young, Julian Bond, Hosea 
Williams, and Ralph David Abernathy engage in infighting, power struggles, name 
calling, acccusations, rewriting history, and self-serving deal making. I 
watched black leaders show disdain for their poorer fellows as they amassed 
more power and money. I saw an Atlanta police force with a large black 
contingent get accused of abusing citizens. I watched, was dismayed, 
disappointed, disillusioned--and educated. 

Not that it's the rule, mind you. The majority of black leaders here are good 
and fight the fight. But, what i learned was that we can be human just like 
anyone else, and can be affected by greed, lust for power, and pettiness just 
like anyone else. It was a sobering lesson, but one I'm glad I learned. My late 
father came from a time when black men always waved to each other on the 
street, whether they knew each other or not (I still do that). I was raised to 
think that we as a race should always stick together and fight for higher goals 
than the majority power structure. I was raised to think we can and should be 
better than the majority, because our history of suffering and abuse should 
make us want to act and be better. 

'Tain't the case, sad to say. We're just as human as anyone else... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:44:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again... 






What is going on with people some of the people in black people congress 
lately? Is it the constant barage from the republicants that has made them all 
loose their religion? 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Mr Worf, for the second time in as many days I find myself using the same 
thought. 

My first reason was enough for me. 

And the really scary thing about that? Mrs Johnson is a registered *Democrat*. 
Folks who know her are bewildered by her decision to back McDonnell. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:42 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again... 




Another reason to hate BET. 



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican 
gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate, Creigh 
Deeds. 

Exactly how has to be seen to be believed... 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html
 

Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Justin Mohareb]

Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her
daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the
role in the intervening decade and a half.

I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis.

Justin

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could 
> pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!"  Is she too 
> old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is 
> Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the 
> incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@yahoo.com, "Cinque3000" 
> , "Sincere" 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill?
>
>
>
> During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that 
> would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended.  Six years since 
> Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by 
> letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.
>
> Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on 
> Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around 
> 2014.  According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different 
> picture inbetween.  He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number 
> of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie.
>
> "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby 
> and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that "Copperhead's" daughter, 
> who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now that she's 
> all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The "Bill" 
> portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks 
> after David Carradine's death this past summer.
>
> More curious is who exactly would produce the feature?  It's unclear whether 
> this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when 
> they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently 
> gutted indie specialty label.  Needless to say, parent company Disney would 
> hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed 
> $332 million worldwide.  Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds" this summer 
> ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture 
> is hardly over.
>
> Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
> "Motherhood."
>
> More on this story as it develops on HitFix.
>
> Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill?  Do you think it's still 
> a good idea?
>
> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
>
>
>
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
>
> The Green Economy Post
>
> http://greeneconomypost.com
>
> tra...@greeneconomypost.com
>
>
>
> 


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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Keith Johnson]

She's also rich as heck, maybe the Dems are getting a bit too "common" for her 
nowadays. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:26:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again... 






Mr Worf, for the second time in as many days I find myself using the same 
thought. 

My first reason was enough for me. 

And the really scary thing about that? Mrs Johnson is a registered *Democrat*. 
Folks who know her are bewildered by her decision to back McDonnell. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:42 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again... 




Another reason to hate BET. 



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican 
gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate, Creigh 
Deeds. 

Exactly how has to be seen to be believed... 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html
 

Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 




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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great Deal----From a Credit Card Company??

[Keith Johnson]

Ha-ha, no problem! My wife--who's not an outdoor type--was so taken with the 
Gardens she suggested we get a yearlong membership, which we did. It really is 
a beautiful place, and next spring they're opening up a vast swath that'll be 
called the "Edible Garden". It'll be full of herbs, vegetables, and fruit 
trees. I can't wait--i'm already planning what veggies I'll be planting in my 
own garden next year! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 4:21:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company?? 






Keith, thank you for this, and please ignore my last. I forget that I'm on the 
Information Superhighway... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:26:58 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company?? 






Great deal. Here in Atlanta it's good for Fernbank, Atlanta History Center, 
Botantical Gardens, Zoo Atlanta, the High Museum, and the Millennium Gate 
Museum 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:23:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company?? 





Keith, I got a flyer for that with my statement last month, and forgot all 
about it. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:48:19 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company?? 






This one caught me completely off guard. A friend called to tell us about a 
deal that Bank of America (of all companies!) is running. During the first full 
weekend of the month , BOA card holders (ATM, check, or credit) can get into 
certain museums and exhibits around the country--for free! All you have to do 
is show your card and a photo ID. I thought it was a joke or misunderstanding, 
but went to the below website, and sure enough, it was true. 
Several good venues here in Atlanta were participating. My wife and I went to 
the Atlanta Botanical Gardens and spent three wonderful hours walking around. 
Thirty plus acres of flowers, cultured gardens, vegetable gardens greenhouses 
full of orchids, bogs full of Pitcher Plants and Venus Flytraps--all for free! 

There are several good museums around the country participating, so it's not 
just some promotion for little used venues. Of course, I'd never suggest 
signing on with BOA just for this, but if you're already dealing with that 
devil, might as well get something out of it. Check it out... 

http://museums.bankofamerica.com/ 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Keith Johnson]

Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could pull 
off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" Is she too old to 
play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is 
Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the 
incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@yahoo.com, "Cinque3000" 
, "Sincere"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's 
left to kill? 









During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin Tarantino 
hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that would take 
place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since Vol. 1 and a 
little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by letting 
everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 

Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on 
Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around 
2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture 
inbetween. He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of genres 
including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. 

"Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby 
and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" daughter, who 
is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now that she's all 
grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The "Bill" portion of 
the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks after David 
Carradine's death this past summer. 

More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether 
this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when they 
left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently gutted indie 
specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would hardly be adverse 
to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed $332 million worldwide. 
Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds" this summer ensures, at least for the 
time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over. 

Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
"Motherhood." 

More on this story as it develops on HitFix. 

Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill? Do you think it's still a 
good idea? 

http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill
 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female 
audiences? 
And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and beautiful 
for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and depth that 
makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I mean, there have 
been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been classified as 
beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel Welch, from Pam 
Grier to Halle Berry. Such women have always found a female audience, depending 
on the roles they play. 
I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






>From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009: 

"Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's 
"sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror movie 
don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and I don't 
know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads with pure, raw 
sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." 

Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah 
Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. 

"If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make sure 
she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions." 

I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie. 

~(no)rave! 

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Mr. Worf]

What is going on with people some of the people in black people congress
lately? Is it the constant barage from the republicants that has made them
all loose their religion?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, for the second time in as many days I find myself using the same
> thought.
>
> My first reason was enough for me.
>
> And the really scary thing about that? Mrs Johnson is a registered
> *Democrat*. Folks who know her are bewildered by her decision to back
> McDonnell.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes
> again...
>
>Another reason to hate BET.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican
> gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate,
> Creigh Deeds.
>
> Exactly how has to be seen to be believed...
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html
>
> Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Martin Baxter]

I'll do that tomorrow. Off a long day of getting actual work done on one of my 
stories, and I'm bushed.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:45:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows















 





  That was last season. You will have to check for it on Hulu. 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Has it aired yet, or do I need to catch it online?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:32:55 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows















 





  








I agree, but you need to see the premier from this season. 
House lost me a few years ago, but that on two hour special was intense.  It
was the UN-House.  I do not know whether they will be continuing with that
approach, but it was quite good


 






From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Martin
Baxter

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:55 PM

To: SciFiNoir2

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows






 






"House" for me, went off the rails last year.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows



  








They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent
the show without destroying it. Maybe they will give House a life this season
outside of the hospital? 








On
Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella 

wrote:




 




House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they
put him away in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour
season premier was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it
on Monday, I hope the quality continues

 






From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mr. Worf

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows








 





I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases. 




On
Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
wrote:








Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700

Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows



  












Is
it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch of
medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three
Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami of
hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock, and
ambient techno soundtracks. 



One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!



 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central
park dude!"



 Train wreck!! 






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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, for the second time in as many days I find myself using the same 
thought.

My first reason was enough for me.

And the really scary thing about that? Mrs Johnson is a registered *Democrat*. 
Folks who know her are bewildered by her decision to back McDonnell.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...















 





  Another reason to hate BET. 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican 
gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate, Creigh 
Deeds.

Exactly how has to be seen to be believed...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html


Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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[scifinoir2] Re: With Little Confidence Attached, NBC Reduces 'Day One' To Miniseries

[B Smith]

This is the series I most wanted to see this fall and now it's been pushed back 
and retooled. Hopefully their plans work.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> 
> With Little Confidence Attached, NBC Reduces 'Day One' To Miniseries
> 
> 
> Says it could take a 'Battlestar Galactica' route, however, with a backdoor
> miniseries that would test the concept with audiences 
> 
> 
> By MICHAEL HINMAN   Oct-2-2009 
> 
> Source: The   Hollywood Reporter 
> 
> "Day One" apparently didn't have the support at NBC as once thought during
> pilot season.
> 
> The network Thursday said it is reducing the order of what was once intended
> to be a mid-season pickup from 13 episodes to just a four-episode series,
> including the original two-hour pilot.
> 
> The show, which was supposed to depict residents of an apartment complex
> coping with a disaster a la "Jericho," has seemed to struggle from the gate,
> especially soon after Ben Silverman bolted from the top job at NBC after
> just two years on the job. 
> 
> The pilot was directed by Alex Graves, a one-time co-executive producer of
> "The West Wing 
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif,"; and who was an
> executive producer on the pilot of the Fox series "Fringe
> 
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif."; It was created
> by Jesse Alexander, who for three years was a co-executive producer on
> "Heroes" as well as "Lost" in 2005.
> 
> Making "Day One" into a four-hour miniseries still keeps the possibility of
> a series in mind for the network, where sources told The Hollywood Reporter
> they were looking at this "event" as if it were a backdoor pilot, similar to
> what the then SciFi Channel (and now Syfy) did with "Battlestar Galactica"
> in 2003.
> 
> It is the year of disaster for the networks so far this year, with ABC
> coming up with its own quasi-apocalyptical look "FlashForward
> 
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif"; from "The Dark
> Knight" scribe David S. Goyer and former "Star Trek: Enterprise" and "Star
> Trek: Voyager" co-creator Brannon Braga. Ratings for Thursday episode are
> not yet available, but last week, it debuted to a 7.7 rating/13 share,
> according to Fast National ratings from The Nielsen Co., the top-rated
> network genre program for the week.
> 
> NBC has a disaster of its own, however, in terms of ratings. After two
> seasons at the bottom of the heap, the network has started the 2009-10
> season in the same spot, so far averaging an overnight of 5.0 rating/8 share
> in three weeks of new programming, which for now has it slightly ahead of
> Fox thanks to an strong opening for "The Jay Leno Show
> 
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif,"; which quickly
> plummeted in the ratings after that.
> 
> This week, NBC is averaging a 4.6/7, good enough for fourth place just
> behind Fox, which has a 4.8/8 average through Wednesday. CBS is leading the
> pack with a 7.5/12 while ABC is averaging a 6.5/11. NBC isn't even close to
> having a show in the top 10 for the week through Wednesday, with the other
> three major networks having at least one program at the top.
> 
> "Day One" starred Julie Gonzalo, David Lyons, Carly Pope and Adam Campbell.
> It's slated to premiere following NBC's coverage of the 2010 Winter
> Olympics.
> 
> http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6738
> 
>  
> 
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> 
> The Green Economy Post
> 
> http://greeneconomypost.com
> 
> tra...@...
>

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Mr. Worf]

Another reason to hate BET.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican
> gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate,
> Creigh Deeds.
>
> Exactly how has to be seen to be believed...
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html
>
> Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Mr. Worf]

That was last season. You will have to check for it on Hulu.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Has it aired yet, or do I need to catch it online?
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:32:55 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
> I agree, but you need to see the premier from this season.  House lost me a
> few years ago, but that on two hour special was intense.  It was the
> UN-House.  I do not know whether they will be continuing with that approach,
> but it was quite good
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Martin Baxter
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 12:55 PM
> *To:* SciFiNoir2
> *Subject:* RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
>
>
> "House" for me, went off the rails last year.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>  --
>
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
> They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent the show without destroying it.
> Maybe they will give House a life this season outside of the hospital?
>
>  On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put him away
> in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season premier
> was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I hope the
> quality continues
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mr. Worf
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
>
> I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
> Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>  --
>
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
> Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch
> of medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three
> Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami
> of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock,
> and ambient techno soundtracks.
>
> One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!
>
>  "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park
> dude!"
>
>  Train wreck!!
>
>
>
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>
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RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Martin Baxter]

I know! Just WHAM!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:35:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows















 





  You mean when they had the indian dude kill himself then 
house started hallucinating? That bugged me too. I thought that it was a bit 
tacky. They could have said he got an offer for a dream job or found his 
biological parents or something. 



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























"House" for me, went off the rails last year.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
















 





  They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent the show without 
destroying it. Maybe they will give House a life this season outside of the 
hospital? 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:




































House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put
him away in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season
premier was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I
hope the quality continues


 






From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr.
Worf

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows






 






I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases. 




On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
wrote:








Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
















To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700

Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows



  












Is it me or have they all just
turned into melodramas with a slight touch of medical science thrown in? The
latest one to debut on CBS is called Three Rivers. From the previews this show
is starting to look like the CSI Miami of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful
scenic shots set to alternative rock, and ambient techno soundtracks. 



One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!



 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central
park dude!"



 Train wreck!! 






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[scifinoir2] OT: The tried-and-true GOP mantra strikes again...

[Martin Baxter]

Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET and supporter of Virginia Republican 
gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell, mocked the Democratic candidate, Creigh 
Deeds.

Exactly how has to be seen to be believed...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/creigh-deedss-stutter-moc_n_309654.html

Martin (OH so happy he left that party years ago)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Martin Baxter]

Has it aired yet, or do I need to catch it online?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:32:55 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows















 





  








I agree, but you need to see the premier from this season. 
House lost me a few years ago, but that on two hour special was intense.  It
was the UN-House.  I do not know whether they will be continuing with that
approach, but it was quite good

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Martin
Baxter

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:55 PM

To: SciFiNoir2

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows





 





"House" for me, went off the rails last year.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows



  







They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent
the show without destroying it. Maybe they will give House a life this season
outside of the hospital? 







On
Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella 

wrote:



 



House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they
put him away in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour
season premier was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it
on Monday, I hope the quality continues

 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mr. Worf

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows







 





I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases. 



On
Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
wrote:







Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700

Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows



  











Is
it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch of
medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three
Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami of
hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock, and
ambient techno soundtracks. 



One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!



 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central
park dude!"



 Train wreck!! 






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Re: [scifinoir2] Racial Stereotypes Gone Cosmic

[Mr. Worf]

I think that it is a bit like "Surf nazis must die!"
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3465806105/

My personal favorite big mama movie.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Interesting concepts, rave, but I'm understandably skittish about the
> execution.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:15:08 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Racial Stereotypes Gone Cosmic
>
>http://quiufaiv.notlong.com
>
> Houston, TX artist Dawolu Jabari Anderson paints gigantic old-school comic
> book covers, featuring weird racial archetypes turned science-fictional:
> like Mam-E, who wields the power of the Broom Cosmic to fight lizards,
> aliens and... the Kool Aid guy?
>
> Anderson's comic-book covers take racist stereotypes and transplant them
> into a fantastical world of superpowers and stylized action. Here's
> Anderson's explanation of Mam-E's superpowers, which are always at the
> disposal of the "white chilluns":
>
> Mam-E is endowed with great strength and enhanced agility and endurance.
> More than anything she has an undying will that has served her even more so
> than her cosmic capabilities. She has a broom that has secrets yet to be
> unlocked. She has learned with a sudden sweeping gesture that she can
> conjure a miniature tornado, which can lay low a small cabin. The broom can
> also project synthetic kinetic energy blasts. She can build up the force by
> slamming her broom against a hard object. The kinetic blows are stored in
> the circuitry of the broom where they are amplified and then channeled
> through the three rings at the end of Mam-E's broom. So far she hasn't
> reached a limit to the amount of kinetic energy that can be discharged.
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Mr. Worf]

You mean when they had the indian dude kill himself then house started
hallucinating? That bugged me too. I thought that it was a bit tacky. They
could have said he got an offer for a dream job or found his biological
parents or something.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> "House" for me, went off the rails last year.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>  They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent the show without destroying it.
> Maybe they will give House a life this season outside of the hospital?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put him
> away in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season
> premier was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I
> hope the quality continues
>
>  *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mr. Worf
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
> I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases.
>  On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
> Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>  --
>  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight
> touch of medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called
> Three Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI
> Miami of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative
> rock, and ambient techno soundtracks.
>
> One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!
>
>  "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park
> dude!"
>
>  Train wreck!!
>
>
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Tracey de Morsella]

I agree, but you need to see the premier from this season.  House lost me a
few years ago, but that on two hour special was intense.  It was the
UN-House.  I do not know whether they will be continuing with that approach,
but it was quite good

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:55 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

 



"House" for me, went off the rails last year.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

  

They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent the show without destroying it.
Maybe they will give House a life this season outside of the hospital? 



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella
 wrote:

 

House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put him away
in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season premier
was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I hope the
quality continues
 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

 


I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases. 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
wrote:



Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

  

Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch of
medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three
Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami
of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock,
and ambient techno soundtracks. 

One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!

 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park
dude!"

 Train wreck!! 



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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great Deal----From a Credit Card Company??

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, thank you for this, and please ignore my last. I forget that I'm on the 
Information Superhighway...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:26:58 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??















 





  
Great deal. Here in Atlanta it's good for Fernbank, Atlanta History Center, 
Botantical Gardens, Zoo Atlanta, the High Museum, and the Millennium Gate Museum


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:23:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??



  




Keith, I got a flyer for that with my statement last month, and forgot all 
about it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:48:19 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??

  




This one caught me completely off guard.  A friend called to tell us about a 
deal that Bank of America (of all companies!) is running. During the first full 
weekend of the month , BOA card holders (ATM, check, or credit) can get into 
certain museums and exhibits around the country--for free! All you have to do 
is show your card and a photo ID. I thought it was a joke or misunderstanding, 
but went to the below website, and sure enough, it was true. 
Several good venues here in Atlanta were participating. My wife and I went to 
the Atlanta Botanical Gardens and spent three wonderful hours walking around. 
Thirty plus acres of flowers, cultured gardens,  vegetable gardens greenhouses 
full of orchids, bogs full of Pitcher Plants and Venus Flytraps--all for free!

There are several good museums around the country participating, so it's not 
just some promotion for little used venues. Of course, I'd never suggest 
signing on with BOA just for this, but if you're already dealing with that 
devil, might as well get something out of it. Check it out...  

http://museums.bankofamerica.com/





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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great Deal----From a Credit Card Company??

[Martin Baxter]

Showing my lack of travel here... where's the Millennium Gate Museum?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:26:58 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??















 





  
Great deal. Here in Atlanta it's good for Fernbank, Atlanta History Center, 
Botantical Gardens, Zoo Atlanta, the High Museum, and the Millennium Gate Museum


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:23:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??



  




Keith, I got a flyer for that with my statement last month, and forgot all 
about it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:48:19 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??

  




This one caught me completely off guard.  A friend called to tell us about a 
deal that Bank of America (of all companies!) is running. During the first full 
weekend of the month , BOA card holders (ATM, check, or credit) can get into 
certain museums and exhibits around the country--for free! All you have to do 
is show your card and a photo ID. I thought it was a joke or misunderstanding, 
but went to the below website, and sure enough, it was true. 
Several good venues here in Atlanta were participating. My wife and I went to 
the Atlanta Botanical Gardens and spent three wonderful hours walking around. 
Thirty plus acres of flowers, cultured gardens,  vegetable gardens greenhouses 
full of orchids, bogs full of Pitcher Plants and Venus Flytraps--all for free!

There are several good museums around the country participating, so it's not 
just some promotion for little used venues. Of course, I'd never suggest 
signing on with BOA just for this, but if you're already dealing with that 
devil, might as well get something out of it. Check it out...  

http://museums.bankofamerica.com/





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RE: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March

[Martin Baxter]

Another scary thought into the aether, that. I learned what it was when I was 
ten, according to the definition they seem to be decrying/shying away from. And 
I do understand the danger of it, fans expecting the flash-and-zoom factor, 
when the best science fiction I've read/watched was really about scientific 
ideas and people's responses to them.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:43:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March















 





  Maybe they don't know what scifi is? 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Tracey, I just had a post in another of my groups, in which Robert Sawyer 
actually says that "FlashForward" is NOT science fiction. My immediate reaction 
was to say that Siffy has so muddied the waters of the genre that people are 
beginning to distance themselves from the name. If I haven't deleted it, I'll 
post it here.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@yahoo.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:21:30 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March















 





  








Network claims
this was the plan all along, but is this really a sign that there are bigger
problems with the new series than originally believed? 


First a production stoppage, and now ABC seems to be rethinking its plan on
how it will broadcast the remake of "V."


An ABC spokeswoman told Entertainment Weekly that while "V"
will indeed premiere on the network in November, it will be just four episodes
that will run during sweeps, and then not return again until March when the
Winter Olympics are over.


Sound like more problems for the remake of the Kenneth Johnson classic? ABC
says no. They had planned to air the show in "pod" format to create
event programming, the network told EW. However, the news comes on the
heels that the two-week hiatus that began earlier this month to help fix some
creative issues will extend another four weeks, meaning production likely won't
resume until around the time the first episodes air Nov. 3.


That could mean ABC is worried about how "V" will perform, and may
be looking closely at debut audience numbers to figure it out what to do next.
If the show underperforms, ABC will be able to pull the plug quickly without
expending too much producing episodes it may never intend to air. If it at
least meets audience expectations, then the network could green light
additional episodes that would be ready to shoot about the same time.


"V" has struggled to get out of the gate since the network said it
would seek a reimagination of the property earlier this year. Outside of the
current production stoppage, Warner Bros.
Television had asked
the Writers Guild of America to remove Johnson's name from the creator
credits, claiming the new version under "The 4400" vet Scott Peters
was completely different from the original.


However, a WGA mediation committee determined that the new series had enough
elements to require Warner Bros.
and ABC to continue including Johnson's credit in the series, and also to
compensate him for using his work.


The new series, which Johnson has told Airlock Alpha will not serve as an
impediment to his efforts to create a big-screen version of "V,"
stars Elizabeth Mitchell, Scott Wolf
and Morena Baccarin.


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Re: [scifinoir2] Zombieville! University of Florida plan tackles invasion of undead

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
  ROTFL!
  Amy

  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Zombieville! University of Florida plan tackles 
invasion of undead




  It's an evil conspiracy by the New World Order, I tell ya!

  "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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  From: ravena...@yahoo.com
  Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:09:09 +
  Subject: [scifinoir2] Zombieville! University of Florida plan tackles 
invasion of undead

GAINESVILLE, FLA. - The University of Florida's response plans for a zombie 
apocalypse are no longer available for public consumption.

  Spokesman Steve Orlando said late last week that the university removed a 
link to a disaster recovery exercise, which detailed how the school could 
respond to an outbreak of the undead.

  Orlando said officials felt the joke "didn't really belong" on the site, 
which also included plans for dealing with hurricanes and pandemics.

  The exercise lays out the university's response to attacks by "flesh-eating, 
apparently life impaired individuals." It notes that a zombie outbreak might 
include "documentation of lots of strange moaning."

  Orlando said the employee who wrote the gag wasn't punished.





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Martin Baxter]

Perhaps it is. Still, that's danged scary to me...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:35:55 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall















 





  
I may have mentioned before, but i watched an interview with Jet Li last year 
where he was asked about his feelings on China's incurssions into Mongolia and 
Tibet. Li responded that it was better for everyone to be "Chinese". He felt it 
would help everyone to share in the good that a big state can bring.

Watching that I was a bit stunned, but realized that when one is raised in such 
a society, it just might seem natural.
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From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:56:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall



  




If I could I would take away two points for the title alone. Chan seems to be 
off the deep end and is beginning to sound like he is a hard line right wing 
for the Chinese government, That is judging from some of the quotes that I 
read. 



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Keith Johnson  wrote:






"Kung Fu Kid"?! Ain't feeling that...




- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:22:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

  






He is still making movies here and in Asia as well. I think that he will 
probably keep making money doing whatever he can because he is a bit of a 
workaholic. 

I read that he was working on Karate kid remake with Jaden Smith (Will's son) 
called the Kung Fu Kid. 
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a151344/karate-kid-redo-retitled-kung-fu-kid.html




On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content? 


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From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

  



Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would love to see more from 
these guys. 

 The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later they 
suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film. For 
example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually became 
uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to make new 
films in this country. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

  



A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and over again, so by 
this point we already know what is going to happen. The best martial art movie 
in the last few years is Ong-Bak. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 
Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith  wrote:

I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman

[Martin Baxter]

As soon as I can rake it all together.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:31:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman















 





  Forward me the links to some high rez pictures and I can put 
it together for you.


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























If I had Photoshop...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:17:12 -0700

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman















 





  I'm surprised that someone hasn't made one with photoshop 
yet. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:






















Now there's a thought--i have to Google it!

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From: "Martin Baxter" 


To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:03:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman









 





  


Talk about it, Brother Keith! Has anyone ever put together a "Women of DSNine" 
poster?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:14:40 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
















 





  
Ha-ha-ha! Yep. Dawson is a really good actress: she has that "something" that's 
truly sultry and simmering and dangerous when she wants it to be. When Berry 
does her sexuality thing, it's more--overt to me. I guess for me, when she does 
it, I'm much more conscious that it's an *attempt* to manipulate me, as if 
she's trying too hard, whereas when someone like Dawson does it, it feels much 
more natural--just a part of who she is. I think of Berry's first bit of 
nudity, in the execrable "Swordfish". Remember the scene when she exposed her 
bare chest to Hugh Jackman? She was so obviously nervous, she jerked away a 
book to reveal her breasts like a novice actor trying to rush the scene. The 
look on her face obviously showed she was "playing" that scene instead of just 
"being" in that scene. On the surface, I think Berry is prettier than Dawson, 
but I find Dawson to be more attractive. 



That "it" factor is so hard to define. I noticed that in Star Trek series like 
"Voyager" and "Enterprise". So many men were going ga-ga over Seven of Nine and 
T'Pol. I found the obvious assets of each woman to be appealing, but never felt 
that extra attaction to them. I had a buddy recently go on and on at how hot 
Jolene Blalock was, and all but called me nuts when I said "She's okay". On 
DS9, Chase Masterson (The Daboh Girl who married Rom) is sho' 'nuff hot, great 
bod and all. But I found myself much more attracted to Dax and Kira, neither of 
whom was built as well. And Cassiday Yates--loved her!



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From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:04:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman







 





  Rosario Dawson ("Ooooh! (Say) it again!" ~ Shenzi).  At last, 
Mr. Johnson, something we can agree on.



~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> Right, and frankly, I don't think Berry's a good enough actress to pull off 
> the movie it could have been .Now in this case, i can see the likes of 
> Rosaria Dawson with a better written role, and tearing it up. 



> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Mr. Worf"  

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 3:05:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman 

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> I'm not a big fan of his. The only movie I liked was Serial mom. I think that 
> for the movie to be done correctly they would need some smart, sharp and 
> spunky women involved in the project. Something that had a little more 
> substance to it than eye candy. Maybe an anti-social statement about 
> femininity combined with her using of her sexuality to seduce men. 



> 

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> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 

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> I think I'm just one of the few men walking who isnt' insanely infatuated 
> with Halle Berry. I see your points, it was just a crappy movie to me, and 
> sexuality/butchness/girl power has nothing to do with it. I don't thi

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum

[Martin Baxter]

Pardon, sent too soon.

Thank you, B!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:03:24 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum















 





  Another French action movie that surprised me was The Nest.



http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0280990/



It's a story about a group of cops transporting a mob kingpin to stand trial 
but they get doublecrossed and end up fighting for their lives. They take 
refuge in an industrial complex and dig in to wait for help. Unfortunately the 
warehouse was being robbed and that leads to a few problems. The cops, the 
warehouse crew and the thieves team up to fight off the hordes of thugs sent to 
rescue the mobster. It plays a lot like Assault on Precinct 13 in some ways but 
with some nice tweaks on the formula.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

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> Thank you, B. Yes, I do, I do love parkour!

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: daikaij...@...

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:08:47 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum

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RE: [scifinoir2] Zombieville! University of Florida plan tackles invasion of undead

[Martin Baxter]

It's an evil conspiracy by the New World Order, I tell ya!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:09:09 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Zombieville!  University of Florida plan tackles invasion 
of undead















 





  GAINESVILLE, FLA. - The University of Florida's response 
plans for a zombie apocalypse are no longer available for public consumption.



Spokesman Steve Orlando said late last week that the university removed a link 
to a disaster recovery exercise, which detailed how the school could respond to 
an outbreak of the undead.



Orlando said officials felt the joke "didn't really belong" on the site, which 
also included plans for dealing with hurricanes and pandemics.



The exercise lays out the university's response to attacks by "flesh-eating, 
apparently life impaired individuals." It notes that a zombie outbreak might 
include "documentation of lots of strange moaning."



Orlando said the employee who wrote the gag wasn't punished.





 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum

[Martin Baxter]

There's another for the list.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:03:24 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum















 





  Another French action movie that surprised me was The Nest.



http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0280990/



It's a story about a group of cops transporting a mob kingpin to stand trial 
but they get doublecrossed and end up fighting for their lives. They take 
refuge in an industrial complex and dig in to wait for help. Unfortunately the 
warehouse was being robbed and that leads to a few problems. The cops, the 
warehouse crew and the thieves team up to fight off the hordes of thugs sent to 
rescue the mobster. It plays a lot like Assault on Precinct 13 in some ways but 
with some nice tweaks on the formula.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Thank you, B. Yes, I do, I do love parkour!

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: daikaij...@...

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:08:47 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum

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> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin"  wrote:

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> > Has anyone seen the prequel to this?

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RE: [scifinoir2] Racial Stereotypes Gone Cosmic

[Martin Baxter]

Interesting concepts, rave, but I'm understandably skittish about the execution.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:15:08 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Racial Stereotypes Gone Cosmic















 





  http://quiufaiv.notlong.com



Houston, TX artist Dawolu Jabari Anderson paints gigantic old-school comic book 
covers, featuring weird racial archetypes turned science-fictional: like Mam-E, 
who wields the power of the Broom Cosmic to fight lizards, aliens and... the 
Kool Aid guy?



Anderson's comic-book covers take racist stereotypes and transplant them into a 
fantastical world of superpowers and stylized action. Here's Anderson's 
explanation of Mam-E's superpowers, which are always at the disposal of the 
"white chilluns":



Mam-E is endowed with great strength and enhanced agility and endurance. More 
than anything she has an undying will that has served her even more so than her 
cosmic capabilities. She has a broom that has secrets yet to be unlocked. She 
has learned with a sudden sweeping gesture that she can conjure a miniature 
tornado, which can lay low a small cabin. The broom can also project synthetic 
kinetic energy blasts. She can build up the force by slamming her broom against 
a hard object. The kinetic blows are stored in the circuitry of the broom where 
they are amplified and then channeled through the three rings at the end of 
Mam-E's broom. So far she hasn't reached a limit to the amount of kinetic 
energy that can be discharged.





 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, I'm waiting for him to run into someone who's the next Bruce Lee, and 
takes his hide off on camera.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:33:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"















 





  Its a train wreck waiting to happen. Bad tv at its best. I 
can't wait for him to put that illegal choke hold on someone and they sue him. 
:) 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















Saw a commercial for it in the movie theatre before seeing "My One and Only" 
(lord I *hate* how we have to sit through commercials and adverstisements in 
the theatre nowadays!)


Everyone in the theatre thought it was a joke at first, and chuckled, just 
waiting for Segal to hawk Coke or something. When they realized it was real, 
the laughter changed to more derision. Lots of "Come on!" comments..


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:33:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"



  



Speaking of Seagal, I think I mentioned here that he has a reality tv show 
coming on where he is a cop in LA?



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:




Maybe he's got an inner Steven Seagal... 


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:20:44 + 



Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

  







Let's hope. On second viewing, he doesn't look any more promising. 
Hey...maybe the Brother who works in food services will be elevated to become a 
hero!


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:28:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

  


They probably got dude on crack or he was in an experiment with the doctor 
character and tripped out. It could be the writers manipulating the audience's 
point of view and not just bad writing by semi-racist writers. 




On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





I don't know: Ming Na's character said something to the effect that he deserved 
to be in there, as if he's got anger issues. And even if he were locked up for 
a reason, his behaviour after being released was definitely troubling. Buddy 
was sweating, acting all nervous and agitated, and was trigger happy. While the 
gravely injured commander leads with stoic resolve, and even the 
barely-out-of-basic-training lieutenant rises to the occasion to become an 
effective leader, the Brother is running around acting scared. He was seconds 
from shooting Rush, the only soldier to so over react. He menanced Ming Na's 
character, then told the lieutenant "She needs to stay out of my space!", and 
it was such a nice image to see an armed military man acting so belligerent 
toward a civilian female. 

If they'd balance out his character with another Brother, that'd be one thing, 
but this is just irritating.
- Original Message -
From: "angelababycat" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 9:51:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"


  



I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy reason 
like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something. 

I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a lot of 
garlic.


Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to change 
> his worldview.

> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

> 
> 
> yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the way 
> he was menacing women and civilians alike.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 

> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

> 
> Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple of 
> times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they 
> presented the brother's character (no one with self-con

RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Martin Baxter]

"House" for me, went off the rails last year.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:38:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows















 





  They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent the show without 
destroying it. Maybe they will give House a life this season outside of the 
hospital? 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:



































House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put
him away in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season
premier was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I
hope the quality continues


 






From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr.
Worf

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows






 






I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases. 




On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
wrote:








Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
















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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700

Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows



  












Is it me or have they all just
turned into melodramas with a slight touch of medical science thrown in? The
latest one to debut on CBS is called Three Rivers. From the previews this show
is starting to look like the CSI Miami of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful
scenic shots set to alternative rock, and ambient techno soundtracks. 



One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!



 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central
park dude!"



 Train wreck!! 






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RE: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Martin Baxter]

Whyfor?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@yahoo.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; 
sincere1...@gmail.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:00:53 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's 
left to kill?















 





  








During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator
Quentin Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment
that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended.  Six years
since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made
waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.



Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in
Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill
3" in or around 2014.  According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a 
different picture
inbetween.  He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining" of a
number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie.  



"Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with
her baby and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that
"Copperhead's" daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be
the most likely protagonist now that she's all grown up and no doubt has
revenge of her own on her mind. The "Bill" portion of the film would
be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death
this past summer.



More curious is who exactly would produce the feature?  It's unclear
whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too
when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently
gutted indie specialty label.  Needless to say, parent company Disney
would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed
$332 million worldwide.  Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds"
this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop
culture is hardly over.


Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
"Motherhood."



More on this story as it develops on HitFix.



Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill?  Do you
think it's still a good idea?  


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[scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman

[Kelwyn]

I just received the November 2009 issue of "Vanity Fair" in the mail.  Penelope 
Cruz is on the cover.  She will added to the cast of my "Catwoman" remake, 
"Catwomen," without an audition.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> I have stated this before but I want to remake "Catwoman."  Everybody is 
> fired except Miss Halle Berry and that catsuit. The working title of my film 
> is "Catwomen" and, in a nutshell, the movie features all of my favorite 
> actresses, athletes, models and celebritants walking around in masks, high 
> heels and catsuits while cracking bullwhips. 
> 
> After six months or so of auditions, fittings and location scoutings and nine 
> months of principal shooting, I should have enough footage to cobble together 
> a serviceable feature length film and one hell of a deluxe double DVD package.
> 
> Partial cast list: 
> 
> Rosario Dawson, Angelina Jolie, Salma Hayek, Serena Williams, Meagan Good, 
> Cassandra Freeman, Kim Kardashian, Amber Rose, Adriana Lima, Beyonce, 
> Shakira, Eva Mendez, Ida Ljunguist, Lauren London, Melyssa Ford, Rihanna, 
> Vida Guerra, Ciara, Rachel True, Naomi Campbell, Sofia Vergera, Gabrielle 
> Union, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Scarlett Johansson, Rosie Perez, Naturi 
> Naughton...
> 
> ~rave!
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Mike Street]

"Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her
baby and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that "Copperhead's"
daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now
that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind."
If this was the story line I'd totally go see it.

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

I haven't seen it but it was written by Diablo Cody who won an Oscar for her 
delightfully smart and whimsical script for "Juno" and is the head writer for 
the remarkably nuanced "United States of Tara" on SHOWTIME (for which star Toni 
Collette recently won an Emmy).  I will definitely check it out on DVD (but, 
unfortunately for Ms. Fox not before).

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Harlib"  wrote:
>
> 
> ahar...@...
> I saw Jennifer's Body and I loved both female leads and found the film very 
> entertaining for its genre.  But then, I'm an older woman over 50.
> Amy
> 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> > From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009:
> >
> > "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's 
> > "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror 
> > movie don't stand a chance.  "The genre is driven by the female audience, 
> > and I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive.  "Megan 
> > leads with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff."
> >
> > Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah 
> > Hex," aimed at her core: young guys.
> >
> > "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make 
> > sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions."
> >
> > I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie.
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> >  
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Tracey de Morsella]

During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin
Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that
would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended.  Six years since
Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves
by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.

Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on
Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around
2014.  According to Variety,
  the
filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween.  He's currently
contemplating a "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or
a '30's type gangster movie.  

"Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her
baby and all of her targets killed.  Most speculate that "Copperhead's"
daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now
that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The
"Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in
flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer.

More curious is who exactly would produce the feature?  It's unclear whether
this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when
they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently
gutted indie specialty label.  Needless to say, parent company Disney would
hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed
$332 million worldwide.  Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds" this summer
ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture
is hardly over.

Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy
 "Motherhood."

More on this story as it develops on HitFix.

Can you wait another 5 years for a third "Kill Bill?  Do you think it's
still a good idea?  

http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bil
l-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill

 

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer

The Green Economy Post

http://greeneconomypost.com

tra...@greeneconomypost.com

 

Re: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
I saw Jennifer's Body and I loved both female leads and found the film very 
entertaining for its genre.  But then, I'm an older woman over 50.
Amy

Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem


> From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009:
>
> "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's 
> "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror 
> movie don't stand a chance.  "The genre is driven by the female audience, 
> and I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive.  "Megan 
> leads with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff."
>
> Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah 
> Hex," aimed at her core: young guys.
>
> "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make 
> sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions."
>
> I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
>  
> Groups Links
>
>
>






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Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Mr. Worf]

They seem to be trying to slowly reinvent the show without destroying it.
Maybe they will give House a life this season outside of the hospital?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

>
>
>  House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put him
> away in the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season
> premier was fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I
> hope the quality continues
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mr. Worf
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
>
>
> I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
> Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>  --
>
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>
> Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch
> of medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three
> Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami
> of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock,
> and ambient techno soundtracks.
>
> One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!
>
>  "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park
> dude!"
>
>  Train wreck!!
>
>
>
> --
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>
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[scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

>From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009:

"Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's 
"sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror movie 
don't stand a chance.  "The genre is driven by the female audience, and I don't 
know that girls relate to her," says the executive.  "Megan leads with pure, 
raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff."  

Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah 
Hex," aimed at her core: young guys.  

"If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make sure 
she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions."

I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie.

~(no)rave!

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Mr. Worf]

Its a train wreck waiting to happen. Bad tv at its best. I can't wait for
him to put that illegal choke hold on someone and they sue him. :)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Saw a commercial for it in the movie theatre before seeing "My One and
> Only" (lord I *hate* how we have to sit through commercials and
> adverstisements in the theatre nowadays!)
>
> Everyone in the theatre thought it was a joke at first, and chuckled, just
> waiting for Segal to hawk Coke or something. When they realized it was real,
> the laughter changed to more derision. Lots of "Come on!" comments..
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:33:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>
>
>
> Speaking of Seagal, I think I mentioned here that he has a reality tv show
> coming on where he is a cop in LA?
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Maybe he's got an inner Steven Seagal...
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
>> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:20:44 +
>>
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's hope. On second viewing, he doesn't look any more promising.
>> Hey...maybe the Brother who works in food services will be elevated to
>> become a hero!
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:28:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>>
>>They probably got dude on crack or he was in an experiment with the
>> doctor character and tripped out. It could be the writers manipulating the
>> audience's point of view and not just bad writing by semi-racist writers.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Keith Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know: Ming Na's character said something to the effect that he
>> deserved to be in there, as if he's got anger issues. And even if he were
>> locked up for a reason, his behaviour after being released was definitely
>> troubling. Buddy was sweating, acting all nervous and agitated, and was
>> trigger happy. While the gravely injured commander leads with stoic resolve,
>> and even the barely-out-of-basic-training lieutenant rises to the occasion
>> to become an effective leader, the Brother is running around acting scared.
>> He was seconds from shooting Rush, the only soldier to so over react. He
>> menanced Ming Na's character, then told the lieutenant "She needs to stay
>> out of my space!", and it was such a nice image to see an armed military man
>> acting so belligerent toward a civilian female.
>> If they'd balance out his character with another Brother, that'd be one
>> thing, but this is just irritating.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "angelababycat" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 9:51:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>>
>>
>> I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy
>> reason like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something.
>>
>> I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a
>> lot of garlic.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to
>> change his worldview.
>> >
>> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> > From: keithbjohn...@...
>> > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +
>> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>> >
>> >
>> > yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially
>> the way he was menacing women and civilians alike.
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>> >
>> > Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple
>> of times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they
>> presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that
>> would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may
>> have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow
>> soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by
>> Ming-Na too

Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Mr. Worf]

The commercial of it was interesting. They had actual video of 2 ghost
soldiers from the civil war.

Speaking of ghosts, has anyone seen the preview of Paranormal activity?
http://www.paranormalactivity-movie.com/

I think its the new blair witch.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> I'll call it lack of programming skills. And the reason Siffy didn't re-air
> "Warehouse 13" on Friday is because they tossed up a block of it on Tuesday
> night.
>
> Oh, and in related news, the Discovery Channel is apparently tying to
> discover how low its own programming standards can sink...
>
> http://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/programs/ghost-lab/
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:26:22 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
>
>
>
> I missed Warehouse 13, and SyFy, in another move of their twisted logic,
> did *not* rerun it the following week. I guess they've dropped it and
> "Eureka" from the schedule for a couple of weeks. Okay, fine, but why was
> the standard weeknight rerun slot filled with movies and Ghost Hunters?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:30:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
>
>
>  I passed on the show altogether, for Warehouse 13. Anyone catch that, by
> any chance? Nice shocker in there.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:19:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
>
>
>
> I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like an early
> version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by Linda
> Hunt’s mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard to fit
> into some type of formula and it almost feels forced
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *wlro...@aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  *Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS
> LA I have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something
> about the first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that
> it tried too hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that
> they tired to model the characters after the original. *
>
> *--Lavender*
>
>
>
> *From:* Keith Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM
>
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
>
>
>  I plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while
> I understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for
> television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be
> there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the
> world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the "NCIS"
> series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course.
> Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people in other
> cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything
> with "ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But I
> guess that's what the BBC is for? :)
>
> The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one
> years, but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't
> want to have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring
> six months was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify
> how the story is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with
> that, though i think they could have gone four or five years and been safe.
> They also shifted the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch
> of regular folks, and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a
> CERN experiment to detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the
> property of mass) caused the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide
> the cause for most of the series.
>
> Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think
> he was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but
> is also quick to point out that the series is basically a "based on" story,
> not the 

[scifinoir2] Racial Stereotypes Gone Cosmic

[Kelwyn]

http://quiufaiv.notlong.com

Houston, TX artist Dawolu Jabari Anderson paints gigantic old-school comic book 
covers, featuring weird racial archetypes turned science-fictional: like Mam-E, 
who wields the power of the Broom Cosmic to fight lizards, aliens and... the 
Kool Aid guy?

Anderson's comic-book covers take racist stereotypes and transplant them into a 
fantastical world of superpowers and stylized action. Here's Anderson's 
explanation of Mam-E's superpowers, which are always at the disposal of the 
"white chilluns":

Mam-E is endowed with great strength and enhanced agility and endurance. More 
than anything she has an undying will that has served her even more so than her 
cosmic capabilities. She has a broom that has secrets yet to be unlocked. She 
has learned with a sudden sweeping gesture that she can conjure a miniature 
tornado, which can lay low a small cabin. The broom can also project synthetic 
kinetic energy blasts. She can build up the force by slamming her broom against 
a hard object. The kinetic blows are stored in the circuitry of the broom where 
they are amplified and then channeled through the three rings at the end of 
Mam-E's broom. So far she hasn't reached a limit to the amount of kinetic 
energy that can be discharged.

[scifinoir2] Zombieville! University of Florida plan tackles invasion of undead

[Kelwyn]

GAINESVILLE, FLA. - The University of Florida's response plans for a zombie 
apocalypse are no longer available for public consumption.

Spokesman Steve Orlando said late last week that the university removed a link 
to a disaster recovery exercise, which detailed how the school could respond to 
an outbreak of the undead.

Orlando said officials felt the joke "didn't really belong" on the site, which 
also included plans for dealing with hurricanes and pandemics.

The exercise lays out the university's response to attacks by "flesh-eating, 
apparently life impaired individuals." It notes that a zombie outbreak might 
include "documentation of lots of strange moaning."

Orlando said the employee who wrote the gag wasn't punished.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Mr. Worf]

That is the danger of brainwashing. Li and Chan grew up during the social
revolution which was one of the most powerful points during the Mao's reign.
They have to be affected by that. That line of thinking is dangerous because
it is part of the mainstream thought there. So no one challenges (at least
publicly) that is dangerous because it makes it easier for them to think
that it is ok to invade their neighbors. No one talks much about the 12
other cultures and races within China that were swallowed up by the
mainland. China would easily have taken over the entire asian coast too if
they weren't persuded by the rest of the world.

On the other hand, they could be doing a "chinese pride" thing. They are
feeling their oats and are moving into superpowerdum.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I may have mentioned before, but i watched an interview with Jet Li last
> year where he was asked about his feelings on China's incurssions into
> Mongolia and Tibet. Li responded that it was better for everyone to be
> "Chinese". He felt it would help everyone to share in the good that a big
> state can bring.
>
> Watching that I was a bit stunned, but realized that when one is raised in
> such a society, it just might seem natural.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:56:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
>
>
>
> If I could I would take away two points for the title alone. Chan seems to
> be off the deep end and is beginning to sound like he is a hard line right
> wing for the Chinese government, That is judging from some of the quotes
> that I read.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  "Kung Fu Kid"?! Ain't feeling that...
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:22:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
>>
>>
>>
>> He is still making movies here and in Asia as well. I think that he will
>> probably keep making money doing whatever he can because he is a bit of a
>> workaholic.
>>
>> I read that he was working on Karate kid remake with Jaden Smith (Will's
>> son) called the Kung Fu Kid.
>> http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a151344/karate-kid-redo-retitled-kung-fu-kid.html
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content?
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>>  Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this
>>> Fall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would love to see
>>> more from these guys.
>>>
>>>  The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later
>>> they suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film.
>>> For example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually
>>> became uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to
>>> make new films in this country.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson >> > wrote:
>>>


 Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good?

 - Original Message -
 From: "Mr. Worf" 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this
 Fall



 A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and over again,
 so by this point we already know what is going to happen. The best martial
 art movie in the last few years is Ong-Bak.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/
 Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh.

 This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to
 be a money maker.

 On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have
> generated some lukewarm reactions.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: hellomahog...@...
> > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this
> Fall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>>>

[scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum

[B Smith]

Another French action movie that surprised me was The Nest.

 http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0280990/

It's a story about a group of cops transporting a mob kingpin to stand trial 
but they get doublecrossed and end up fighting for their lives. They take 
refuge in an industrial complex and dig in to wait for help. Unfortunately the 
warehouse was being robbed and that leads to a few problems. The cops, the 
warehouse crew and the thieves team up to fight off the hordes of thugs sent to 
rescue the mobster. It plays a lot like Assault on Precinct 13 in some ways but 
with some nice tweaks on the formula.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you, B. Yes, I do, I do love parkour!
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:08:47 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum
> 
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>   Yes I have and it's great ride. If you like parkour or free 
> running you'll love these movies.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Has anyone seen the prequel to this?
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://www.sci-fi-london.com/news/article/1254408286/2/district-13-ultimatum
> 
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> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
>

RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Martin Baxter]

I'll call it lack of programming skills. And the reason Siffy didn't re-air 
"Warehouse 13" on Friday is because they tossed up a block of it on Tuesday 
night.

Oh, and in related news, the Discovery Channel is apparently tying to discover 
how low its own programming standards can sink...

http://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/programs/ghost-lab/

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:26:22 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??















 





  
I missed Warehouse 13, and SyFy, in another move of their twisted logic, did 
*not* rerun it the following week. I guess they've dropped it and "Eureka" from 
the schedule for a couple of weeks. Okay, fine, but why was the standard 
weeknight rerun slot filled with movies and Ghost Hunters?

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:30:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??







 





  


I passed on the show altogether, for Warehouse 13. Anyone catch that, by any 
chance? Nice shocker in there.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:19:38 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??















 





  








I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like
an early version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by Linda
Hunt’s mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard to fit into
some type of formula and it almost feels forced

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
wlro...@aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??





 











Just
to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS LA I have to
say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something about the first
plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it tried too hard
and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they tired to model
the characters after the original. 





--Lavender







 







From: Keith
Johnson 





Sent: Wednesday,
September 23, 2009 8:40 AM





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com






Subject: Re: [scifinoir2]
FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??









 





I plan to watch.
Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I understand they've
kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for television. They moved
the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be there, of course, but you
know, i really tire of everything important in the world taking place in L.A.
or New York. Last night, for example, the "NCIS" series debuted a
spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course. Every now and then
I'd like to follow some events and people in other cities--even other
countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything with
"ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But
I guess that's what the BBC is for? :)


 


The other major
thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years, but in the series
the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to have to produce the
look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months was far enough to
build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story is presented and
avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i think they could
have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted the focus of the
story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks, and, in the book,
it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to detect the Higgs-Boson
particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused the event. In the TV
series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the series.


 


Still, it has
potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he was paid a
bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is also quick to
point out that the series is basically a "based on" story, not the
original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV world. You can
listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website. It's a pretty
detailed one:http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/09/19/slice-of-scifi-231/


 


 


 




- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:

RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Martin Baxter]

Tracey, I've never seen the appeal in him as an actor. For that matter, I've 
never seen significant talent in the man. He's played basically the same role 
in everything he's ever done, the brooding hero/anti-hero.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:57:44 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??















 





  
















Speaking of David Caruso, we call him baby Clint around here for
his wanna be a tough guy act.  I can hardly stomach that show because of him












To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:27:42 +

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



 









Reminds
me of the funny ways the Miami Vice cops stood around posing when they had
meetings--or the way David Caruso can't seem to stop posing when he solves
crimes on CSI: Miami.

I also missed the specific need for NCIS here: loosely, the Navy guy being
involved is why they were involved? Other than that it was incredibly typical.



- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:19:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



  







 



I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like
an early version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by
Linda Hunt’s mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard
to fit into some type of formula and it almost feels forced

 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of wlro...@aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??





 









Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw
NCIS LA I have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something
about the first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it
tried too hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they
tired to model the characters after the original. 





--Lavender







 







From: Keith Johnson 





Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com






Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??









 





I
plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I
understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for
television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be
there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the
world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the
"NCIS" series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it?
L.A., of course. Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people
in other cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch
anything with "ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two
cities). But I guess that's what the BBC is for? :)

 

The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years,
but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to
have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months
was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story
is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i
think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted
the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks,
and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to
detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused
the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the
series.

 

Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he
was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is
also quick to point out that the series is basically a "based on"
story, not the original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV
world. You can listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website.
It's a pretty detailed one:
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/09/19/slice-of-scifi-231/

 

 

 



- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



  









Is
anyone planning on checking out FlashForward on Thursday?  Anyone read the
book?

http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/we-saw-the-pilot-he

RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Martin Baxter]

Still not wasting my time with it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:24:59 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??















 





  
Two eps in, I'm not impressed. They seem to basically stand around playing with 
the tactile displays, smugly talking about their past experiences and testing 
each other, then doing a little bit of actual work. Not even as good as NCIS or 
"The Unit", the latter of which I actually liked.



- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:07:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??







 





  


(adding to the list of reasons why Martin's eyes shall never fall upon this 
dreck)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:27:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??















 





  
Yeah, talk about Central Casting! Old Mother, Young Nerd, Young Kinda Cool 
Black Guy who's Green, Cool Seasoned Black Seal, Troubled But Tough White Lead 
Who's Been Shot, Girl Who Speaks Other Languages to Bring in Male Viewers.

Notice how they all seemed so posed? They stood around as if shooting still ads 
for the show. Reminds me of the funny ways the Miami Vice cops stood around 
posing when they had meetings--or the way David Caruso can't seem to stop 
posing when he solves crimes on CSI: Miami.

I also missed the specific need for NCIS here: loosely, the Navy guy being 
involved is why they were involved? Other than that it was incredibly typical.


- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:19:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



  







I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like an early 
version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by Linda Hunt’s 
mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard to fit into some 
type of formula and it almost feels forced
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of wlro...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
 





Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS LA I 
have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something about the 
first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it tried too 
hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they tired to 
model the characters after the original. 

--Lavender


 


From: Keith Johnson 

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

 

I plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I 
understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for 
television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be 
there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the 
world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the "NCIS" 
series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course. 
Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people in other 
cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything 
with "ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But I 
guess that's what the BBC is for? :)

 

The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years, 
but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to 
have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months 
was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story 
is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i 
think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted 
the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks, 
and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to 
detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused 
the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the 
series.

 

Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he 
was paid a bundle

RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Martin Baxter]

LMNAO!!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:10:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??















 





  Mr.Worf slowly turns to his monitor.In a gravely voice, "Hmm 
what do you mean?" 

Dramatic pause, Mr.Worf puts on his glasses and says, "It looks like a case 
of... bad acting..." 

Cue the Who!



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:












































Speaking of David Caruso, we call him baby Clint around here for
his wanna be a tough guy act.  I can hardly stomach that show because of him












To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:27:42 +

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



 










Reminds
me of the funny ways the Miami Vice cops stood around posing when they had
meetings--or the way David Caruso can't seem to stop posing when he solves
crimes on CSI: Miami.

I also missed the specific need for NCIS here: loosely, the Navy guy being
involved is why they were involved? Other than that it was incredibly typical.



- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:19:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



  








 




I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like
an early version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by
Linda Hunt’s mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard
to fit into some type of formula and it almost feels forced


 






From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of wlro...@aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??






 











Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw
NCIS LA I have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something
about the first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it
tried too hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they
tired to model the characters after the original. 






--Lavender








 








From: Keith Johnson 







Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com







Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??










 






I
plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I
understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for
television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be
there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the
world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the
"NCIS" series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it?
L.A., of course. Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people
in other cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch
anything with "ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two
cities). But I guess that's what the BBC is for? :)

 

The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years,
but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to
have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months
was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story
is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i
think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted
the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks,
and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to
detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused
the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the
series.

 

Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he
was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is
also quick to point out that the series is basically a "based on"
story, not the original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV
world. You can listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website.
It's a pretty detailed one:
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/09/19/slice-of-scifi-231/

 

 

 



- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??



  










Is
anyone pl

RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Tracey de Morsella]

House was rubbing me wrong for the last two season, until they put him away in 
the mental institution this season.  The first two hour season premier was 
fantastic.  I loved Andre Braur (sp).  I missed it on Monday, I hope the 
quality continues

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

 



I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases. 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that. 
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

  

Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch of 
medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three 
Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami of 
hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock, and 
ambient techno soundtracks. 

One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!

 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park dude!"

 Train wreck!! 



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RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Tracey de Morsella]

I liked him too before he became Baby Clint.  I have a severe allergic reaction 
to this new act.  However, the masses must love it because it gets the ratings

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:21 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

 






i've never watched any of the CSI shows, but i agree with you. He's laughable, 
standing in the Miami sunlight, pale skin obviously not meant for that 
environment, shades on, standing with hands on hips, speaking in clipped 
sentences.  I don't remember him being this irritating on the first season of 
"NYPD Blue". In fact, I liked him on that.


- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 12:57:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

  

Speaking of David Caruso, we call him baby Clint around here for his wanna be a 
tough guy act.  I can hardly stomach that show because of him

  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:27:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

 

Reminds me of the funny ways the Miami Vice cops stood around posing when they 
had meetings--or the way David Caruso can't seem to stop posing when he solves 
crimes on CSI: Miami.
I also missed the specific need for NCIS here: loosely, the Navy guy being 
involved is why they were involved? Other than that it was incredibly typical.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:19:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

  

 

I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like an early 
version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by Linda Hunt’s 
mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard to fit into some 
type of formula and it almost feels forced

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of wlro...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

 

 

Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS LA I 
have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something about the 
first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it tried too 
hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they tired to 
model the characters after the original. 

--Lavender

 

From: Keith Johnson   

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

 

I plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I 
understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for 
television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be 
there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the 
world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the "NCIS" 
series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course. 
Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people in other 
cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything 
with "ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But I 
guess that's what the BBC is for? :)
 
The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years, 
but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to 
have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months 
was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story 
is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i 
think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted 
the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks, 
and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to 
detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused 
the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the 
series.
 
Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he 
was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is 
also quick to point out that the series is basically a "based on" story, not 
the original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV world. You 
can listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website. It's a 
pretty detailed one:
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/09/19/slice-of-scifi-231/
 
 
 

- Original Message -
From: "Trac

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Keith Johnson]

Saw a commercial for it in the movie theatre before seeing "My One and Only" 
(lord I *hate* how we have to sit through commercials and adverstisements in 
the theatre nowadays!) 

Everyone in the theatre thought it was a joke at first, and chuckled, just 
waiting for Segal to hawk Coke or something. When they realized it was real, 
the laughter changed to more derision. Lots of "Come on!" comments.. 
- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:33:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe" 

  




Speaking of Seagal, I think I mentioned here that he has a reality tv show 
coming on where he is a cop in LA? 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Maybe he's got an inner Steven Seagal... 


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:20:44 + 



Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe" 

  







Let's hope. On second viewing, he doesn't look any more promising. 
Hey...maybe the Brother who works in food services will be elevated to become a 
hero! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:28:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe" 

  


They probably got dude on crack or he was in an experiment with the doctor 
character and tripped out. It could be the writers manipulating the audience's 
point of view and not just bad writing by semi-racist writers. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I don't know: Ming Na's character said something to the effect that he deserved 
to be in there, as if he's got anger issues. And even if he were locked up for 
a reason, his behaviour after being released was definitely troubling. Buddy 
was sweating, acting all nervous and agitated, and was trigger happy. While the 
gravely injured commander leads with stoic resolve, and even the 
barely-out-of-basic-training lieutenant rises to the occasion to become an 
effective leader, the Brother is running around acting scared. He was seconds 
from shooting Rush, the only soldier to so over react. He menanced Ming Na's 
character, then told the lieutenant "She needs to stay out of my space!", and 
it was such a nice image to see an armed military man acting so belligerent 
toward a civilian female. 
If they'd balance out his character with another Brother, that'd be one thing, 
but this is just irritating. 
- Original Message - 
From: "angelababycat" < asrobin...@mindspring.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 9:51:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe" 

  



I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy reason 
like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something. 

I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a lot of 
garlic. 

Angela 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to change 
> his worldview. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe" 
> 
> 
> yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the way 
> he was menacing women and civilians alike. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe" 
> 
> Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple of 
> times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they 
> presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that 
> would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may 
> have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow 
> soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by 
> Ming-Na took him to task indicates that his temper is a known quantity). 
> 
> As for Dr Rush, he seems to have lost someone close recently (his breaking 
> down over a picture when he was alone in his quarters), and that, coupled 
> with his innate need to learn all the mysteries t

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Keith Johnson]

I may have mentioned before, but i watched an interview with Jet Li last year 
where he was asked about his feelings on China's incurssions into Mongolia and 
Tibet. Li responded that it was better for everyone to be "Chinese". He felt it 
would help everyone to share in the good that a big state can bring. 

Watching that I was a bit stunned, but realized that when one is raised in such 
a society, it just might seem natural. 
- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:56:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




If I could I would take away two points for the title alone. Chan seems to be 
off the deep end and is beginning to sound like he is a hard line right wing 
for the Chinese government, That is judging from some of the quotes that I 
read. 


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 








"Kung Fu Kid"?! Ain't feeling that... 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:22:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  







He is still making movies here and in Asia as well. I think that he will 
probably keep making money doing whatever he can because he is a bit of a 
workaholic. 

I read that he was working on Karate kid remake with Jaden Smith (Will's son) 
called the Kung Fu Kid. 
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a151344/karate-kid-redo-retitled-kung-fu-kid.html
 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would love to see more from 
these guys. 

 The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later they 
suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film. For 
example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually became 
uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to make new 
films in this country. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and over again, so by 
this point we already know what is going to happen. The best martial art movie 
in the last few years is Ong-Bak. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 
Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith < daikaij...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: hellomahog...@... 
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 
> 
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> 
>                   Works for me. I'll be there! :) 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote: 
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> 
> Someone in another of my groups sent me this trailer 
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi432800281/ 
> 
> Enjoy. I did. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:53:17 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 
> 
> 
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> You've heard of it? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 3:39:10 PM GMT -05

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Mr. Worf]

Speaking of Seagal, I think I mentioned here that he has a reality tv show
coming on where he is a cop in LA?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Maybe he's got an inner Steven Seagal...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:20:44 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>
>
>
> Let's hope. On second viewing, he doesn't look any more promising.
> Hey...maybe the Brother who works in food services will be elevated to
> become a hero!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:28:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>
>They probably got dude on crack or he was in an experiment with the
> doctor character and tripped out. It could be the writers manipulating the
> audience's point of view and not just bad writing by semi-racist writers.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't know: Ming Na's character said something to the effect that he
> deserved to be in there, as if he's got anger issues. And even if he were
> locked up for a reason, his behaviour after being released was definitely
> troubling. Buddy was sweating, acting all nervous and agitated, and was
> trigger happy. While the gravely injured commander leads with stoic resolve,
> and even the barely-out-of-basic-training lieutenant rises to the occasion
> to become an effective leader, the Brother is running around acting scared.
> He was seconds from shooting Rush, the only soldier to so over react. He
> menanced Ming Na's character, then told the lieutenant "She needs to stay
> out of my space!", and it was such a nice image to see an armed military man
> acting so belligerent toward a civilian female.
> If they'd balance out his character with another Brother, that'd be one
> thing, but this is just irritating.
> - Original Message -
> From: "angelababycat" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 9:51:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>
>
> I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy
> reason like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something.
>
> I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a
> lot of garlic.
>
> Angela
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to
> change his worldview.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: keithbjohn...@...
> > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
> >
> >
> > yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the
> way he was menacing women and civilians alike.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
> >
> > Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple
> of times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they
> presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that
> would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may
> have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow
> soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by
> Ming-Na took him to task indicates that his temper is a known quantity).
> >
> > As for Dr Rush, he seems to have lost someone close recently (his
> breaking down over a picture when he was alone in his quarters), and that,
> coupled with his innate need to learn all the mysteries that land before him
> may be a driving factor for his seeming rushlessness and emotional distance.
> >
> > I figure, using my geek-extrapolation abilities, that the reason that the
> folks being evaced through the Stargate from Icarus Base were flying like
> ten-pins might be because they were gating onto the Destiny as it was FTL,
> that the force necessary to put them "safely" through really amped their
> kinetic component. Colonel Young, last through because he was gathering
> needed supplies, was at a run, hence his more serious injuries.
> >
> > All in all, a fun run. I'll be tuning in as well.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman

[Mr. Worf]

Forward me the links to some high rez pictures and I can put it together for
you.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> If I had Photoshop...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:17:12 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
>
>I'm surprised that someone hasn't made one with photoshop yet.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Now there's a thought--i have to Google it!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:03:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
>
>Talk about it, Brother Keith! Has anyone ever put together a "Women of
> DSNine" poster?
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:14:40 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
>
>
>
> Ha-ha-ha! Yep. Dawson is a really good actress: she has that "something"
> that's truly sultry and simmering and dangerous when she wants it to be.
> When Berry does her sexuality thing, it's more--overt to me. I guess for me,
> when she does it, I'm much more conscious that it's an *attempt* to
> manipulate me, as if she's trying too hard, whereas when someone like Dawson
> does it, it feels much more natural--just a part of who she is. I think of
> Berry's first bit of nudity, in the execrable "Swordfish". Remember the
> scene when she exposed her bare chest to Hugh Jackman? She was so obviously
> nervous, she jerked away a book to reveal her breasts like a novice actor
> trying to rush the scene. The look on her face obviously showed she was
> "playing" that scene instead of just "being" in that scene. On the surface,
> I think Berry is prettier than Dawson, but I find Dawson to be more
> attractive.
>
> That "it" factor is so hard to define. I noticed that in Star Trek series
> like "Voyager" and "Enterprise". So many men were going ga-ga over Seven of
> Nine and T'Pol. I found the obvious assets of each woman to be appealing,
> but never felt that extra attaction to them. I had a buddy recently go on
> and on at how hot Jolene Blalock was, and all but called me nuts when I said
> "She's okay". On DS9, Chase Masterson (The Daboh Girl who married Rom) is
> sho' 'nuff hot, great bod and all. But I found myself much more attracted to
> Dax and Kira, neither of whom was built as well. And Cassiday Yates--loved
> her!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:04:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
>
>Rosario Dawson ("Ooooh! (Say) it again!" ~ Shenzi). At last, Mr.
> Johnson, something we can agree on.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Right, and frankly, I don't think Berry's a good enough actress to pull
> off the movie it could have been .Now in this case, i can see the likes of
> Rosaria Dawson with a better written role, and tearing it up.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 3:05:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not a big fan of his. The only movie I liked was Serial mom. I think
> that for the movie to be done correctly they would need some smart, sharp
> and spunky women involved in the project. Something that had a little more
> substance to it than eye candy. Maybe an anti-social statement about
> femininity combined with her using of her sexuality to seduce men.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... >
> wrote:
> >
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> > I think I'm just one of the few men walking who isnt' insanely infatuated
> with Halle Berry. I see your points, it was just a crappy movie to me, and
> sexuality/butchness/girl power has nothing to do with it. I don't think
> Pitof has enough skill to craft something as slyly subversive or insightful
> as you think this flick was. Now maybe if someone like John Waters had done
> it, it'd have a edge to it skating the lines between camp and commentary,
> kind of a wonderful mess that you can't look away from. But as for this, I
> think you're seeing what the movie *could* have been, not what it was.
> > But that's just me.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Mr. Worf]

If I could I would take away two points for the title alone. Chan seems to
be off the deep end and is beginning to sound like he is a hard line right
wing for the Chinese government, That is judging from some of the quotes
that I read.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> "Kung Fu Kid"?! Ain't feeling that...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:22:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
>
>
>
> He is still making movies here and in Asia as well. I think that he will
> probably keep making money doing whatever he can because he is a bit of a
> workaholic.
>
> I read that he was working on Karate kid remake with Jaden Smith (Will's
> son) called the Kung Fu Kid.
> http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a151344/karate-kid-redo-retitled-kung-fu-kid.html
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
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>> Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
>>
>>
>>
>> Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would love to see more
>> from these guys.
>>
>>  The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later
>> they suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film.
>> For example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually
>> became uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to
>> make new films in this country.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
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>>> Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good?
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this
>>> Fall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and over again,
>>> so by this point we already know what is going to happen. The best martial
>>> art movie in the last few years is Ong-Bak.
>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/
>>> Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh.
>>>
>>> This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be
>>> a money maker.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith  wrote:
>>>
 I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have
 generated some lukewarm reactions.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
 wrote:
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 > Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands.
 >
 > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
 >
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 >
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 >
 > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 > From: hellomahog...@...
 > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700
 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
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 > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Martin Baxter 
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 > http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi432800281/
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 > Enjoy. I did.
 >
 > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
 >
 >
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 >
 >
 >
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 > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 >
 > From: keithbjohn...@...
 > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:53:17 +
 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
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 > - Original Message -
 > From: "Martin Baxter" 
 >
 > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
 > Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 3:39:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall
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Re: [scifinoir2] FW: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket On SciFi Fans

[Mr. Worf]

So basically they are doing reverse psychology?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> There's also another point his words raise. Assuming that the stereotype of
> scifi as the domain of robots, spaceships, aliens, and CGI/FX is correct (it
> ain't, but let's go with that), why was ABC needed then to produce a show
> with *none* of those? One tends to think that the bigger networks are
> approached to run shows because their bigger budgets allow for more money to
> be thrown at production values. They can allocate more funds to fancier
> sets, models for spaceships, fancy CGI, makeup, costumes, etc. to create
> non-humans. "Defying Gravity", for example, uses CGI and FX and sets (even
> though the spaceship looks more like a house), and it makes sense one would
> want a deal with a bigger network. Star Trek TNG was hugely expensive for
> the time (a million dollars an ep) and had to cut a unique distribution deal
> to cover that cost. So, scifi that uses a lot of visuals and production work
> can be expensive, and a network like ABC would be a good place to go to ask
> for backing.
>
>
>
> But, if this show is basically just a drama with no "scifi" in it, why was
> ABC needed? Granted, doing a lot of filming on location can cost, but again,
> no scifi FX to pay for. If ABC downplays the scifi aspects, they may not
> keep true scifi fans, and if the drama of the mystery isn't compelling, they
> may not keep non-scifi fans. So maybe they should have pitched it to TNT,
> Fox, even SyFy, and let fans who aren't scared off by "scifi" support it
> there?
>
>
>
> To his point, maybe they should have gone with putting a scifi show with
> strong dramatic content on a smaller network where a small-but-loyal
> following would ensure its success, rather than try to market dramatic show
> with no scifi in it to a wider audience that may lose interest at something
> that denies what it is.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:47:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet
> Blanket On SciFi Fans
>
>
>
> And here it is. Apologies to Mr Sawyer, though -- he didn't utter those
> words, David Goyer did. Still, his own words aren't very helpful...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To:
> From: teri.se...@rightbox.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:28:18 -0400
> Subject: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket On SciFi
> Fans
>
>
> http://www.roddenberry.com/communityblogs/index/detail?id=438
>
> By: Dennis Rayburn
> 09/23/2009
>
> In talking to people at the conventions in Las
> Vegas and Atlanta the last couple of months,
> there is one TV series that a lot of people are
> waiting for, as it has gathered a lot of
> excitement and curiosity. That new series deals
> with everyone in the world blacks out for a
> couple of minutes. During that time, each person
> experiences a vision. Are they prophetic visions,
> destined to come to pass, or possible futures
> that can occur in that person's life? That is the
> central plot for the new series, Flash Forward
> which premieres on ABC Thursday night at 8pm EDT.
>
> Science Fiction fans all over are excited about
> the show, and their expectations are high.
> However, something has happened that is casting a
> dark cloud over all of these potential viewers
> attitude about the show. It comes in the form of
> an interview with the author of the book from
> which the series is based, Robert J. Sawyer.
>
> In the interview conducted by Clayton Neuman,
> which appears on the Slice Of SciFi website,
> Neuman is asked about Flash Forward's executive
> producer, David S. Goyer's repeated statements
> that the series is not a science fiction show.
> Mr. Sawyer responded with this statement:
>
> “We've learned that people will happily put their
> rear end in a seat for two hours to watch a
> science fiction movie, but they won't watch again
> week after week. Thanks to George Lucas, science
> fiction in the visual media has been indelibly
> identified as escapism for adolescent boys. You
> look at Battlestar Galactica: Wonderful series,
> on a really good week it had 875,000 viewers out
> of 315 million people. We will die as a primetime
> network broadcast series if the same percentage
> of people decide they want to watch Flash
> Forward. So what had to be done was make sure
> people don't see science fictional tropes – they
> don't see robots, aliens, flying cars, what have
> you; and instead see the compelling character drama.”
>
> Frankly, I fear Mr. Sawyer's definition of
> science fiction is terribly narrow and incorrect.
> A show does not have to have any of the things
> Mr. Sawyer apparently feels are negatives to be
> scienc

Re: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Mr. Worf]

I like House. They do manage to use some creativity in their cases.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that.
> Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows
>
>
>  Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a slight touch
> of medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is called Three
> Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the CSI Miami
> of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative rock,
> and ambient techno soundtracks.
>
> One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!
>
>  "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park
> dude!"
>
>  Train wreck!!
>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> --
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> now.
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March

[Mr. Worf]

Maybe they don't know what scifi is?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Tracey, I just had a post in another of my groups, in which Robert Sawyer
> actually says that "FlashForward" is NOT science fiction. My immediate
> reaction was to say that Siffy has so muddied the waters of the genre that
> people are beginning to distance themselves from the name. If I haven't
> deleted it, I'll post it here.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@yahoo.com
> From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:21:30 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March
>
>
>
> *Network claims this was the plan all along, but is this really a sign
> that there are bigger problems with the new series than originally believed?
> *
> First a production stoppage, and now ABC seems to be rethinking its plan on
> how it will broadcast the remake of "V."
> An ABC spokeswoman told *Entertainment Weekly* that while "V" will indeed
> premiere on the network in November, it will be just four episodes that will
> run during sweeps, and then not return again until March when the Winter
> Olympics are over.
> Sound like more problems for the remake of the Kenneth Johnson classic? ABC
> says no. They had planned to air the show in "pod" format to create event
> programming, the network told *EW*. However, the news comes on the heels
> that the two-week hiatus that began earlier this month to help fix some
> creative issues will extend another four weeks, meaning production likely
> won't resume until around the time the first episodes air Nov. 3.
> That could mean ABC is worried about how "V" will perform, and may be
> looking closely at debut audience numbers to figure it out what to do next.
> If the show underperforms, ABC will be able to pull the plug quickly without
> expending too much producing episodes it may never intend to air. If it at
> least meets audience expectations, then the network could green light
> additional episodes that would be ready to shoot about the same time.
> "V" has struggled to get out of the gate since the network said it would
> seek a reimagination of the property earlier this year. Outside of the
> current production stoppage, Warner Bros.[image:
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif]Television
>  had asked
> the Writers Guild of America  to
> remove Johnson's name from the creator credits, claiming the new version
> under "The 4400" vet Scott Peters was completely different from the
> original.
> However, a WGA mediation committee determined that the new series had
> enough elements  to require Warner
> Bros[image: 
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif].
> and ABC to continue including Johnson's credit in the series, and also to
> compensate him for using his work.
> The new series, which Johnson has told Airlock Alpha will not serve as an
> impediment to his efforts to create a big-screen version of "V," stars
> Elizabeth Mitchell, Scott Wolf[image:
> http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/10358_magglass.gif]and
>  Morena Baccarin.
>
> http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6723
>
>
>
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
>
> The Green Economy Post
>
> http://greeneconomypost.com
>
> tra...@greeneconomypost.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it 
> now.
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] FW: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket On SciFi Fans

[Keith Johnson]

There's also another point his words raise. Assuming that the stereotype of 
scifi as the domain of robots, spaceships, aliens, and CGI/FX is correct (it 
ain't, but let's go with that), why was ABC needed then to produce a show with 
*none* of those? One tends to think that the bigger networks are approached to 
run shows because their bigger budgets allow for more money to be thrown at 
production values. They can allocate more funds to fancier sets, models for 
spaceships, fancy CGI, makeup, costumes, etc. to create non-humans. "Defying 
Gravity", for example, uses CGI and FX and sets (even though the spaceship 
looks more like a house), and it makes sense one would want a deal with a 
bigger network. Star Trek TNG was hugely expensive for the time (a million 
dollars an ep) and had to cut a unique distribution deal to cover that cost. 
So, scifi that uses a lot of visuals and production work can be expensive, and 
a network like ABC would be a good place to go to ask for backing. 



But, if this show is basically just a drama with no "scifi" in it, why was ABC 
needed? Granted, doing a lot of filming on location can cost, but again, no 
scifi FX to pay for. If ABC downplays the scifi aspects, they may not keep true 
scifi fans, and if the drama of the mystery isn't compelling, they may not keep 
non-scifi fans. So maybe they should have pitched it to TNT, Fox, even SyFy, 
and let fans who aren't scared off by "scifi" support it there? 



To his point, maybe they should have gone with putting a scifi show with strong 
dramatic content on a smaller network where a small-but-loyal following would 
ensure its success, rather than try to market dramatic show with no scifi in it 
to a wider audience that may lose interest at something that denies what it is. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:47:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket 
On SciFi Fans 

  




And here it is. Apologies to Mr Sawyer, though -- he didn't utter those words, 
David Goyer did. Still, his own words aren't very helpful... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: 
From: teri.se...@rightbox.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:28:18 -0400 
Subject: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket On SciFi Fans 

  



http://www.roddenberry.com/communityblogs/index/detail?id=438 

By: Dennis Rayburn 
09/23/2009 

In talking to people at the conventions in Las 
Vegas and Atlanta the last couple of months, 
there is one TV series that a lot of people are 
waiting for, as it has gathered a lot of 
excitement and curiosity. That new series deals 
with everyone in the world blacks out for a 
couple of minutes. During that time, each person 
experiences a vision. Are they prophetic visions, 
destined to come to pass, or possible futures 
that can occur in that person's life? That is the 
central plot for the new series, Flash Forward 
which premieres on ABC Thursday night at 8pm EDT. 

Science Fiction fans all over are excited about 
the show, and their expectations are high. 
However, something has happened that is casting a 
dark cloud over all of these potential viewers 
attitude about the show. It comes in the form of 
an interview with the author of the book from 
which the series is based, Robert J. Sawyer. 

In the interview conducted by Clayton Neuman, 
which appears on the Slice Of SciFi website, 
Neuman is asked about Flash Forward's executive 
producer, David S. Goyer's repeated statements 
that the series is not a science fiction show. 
Mr. Sawyer responded with this statement: 

“We've learned that people will happily put their 
rear end in a seat for two hours to watch a 
science fiction movie, but they won't watch again 
week after week. Thanks to George Lucas, science 
fiction in the visual media has been indelibly 
identified as escapism for adolescent boys. You 
look at Battlestar Galactica: Wonderful series, 
on a really good week it had 875,000 viewers out 
of 315 million people. We will die as a primetime 
network broadcast series if the same percentage 
of people decide they want to watch Flash 
Forward. So what had to be done was make sure 
people don't see science fictional tropes – they 
don't see robots, aliens, flying cars, what have 
you; and instead see the compelling character drama.” 

Frankly, I fear Mr. Sawyer's definition of 
science fiction is terribly narrow and incorrect. 
A show does not have to have any of the things 
Mr. Sawyer apparently feels are negatives to be 
science fiction (or syence fyction with the Syfy 
change). When you have something happen that can 
not be explained, or that is based on something 
unheard of occurring, causing an entire 
population of a planet to black out and catch 
glimpses of the fu

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Keith Johnson]

funny! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:38:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




Keith, I saw a story on MSNBC over the weekend. The Chinese national cellular 
provider just changed their ringtone, from the usual "riiing... 
rng" to an uber-patriotic tune, sung by none other than Mr Chan 
himself. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:19:47 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  


Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would love to see more from 
these guys. 

 The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later they 
suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film. For 
example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually became 
uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to make new 
films in this country. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  


A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and over again, so by 
this point we already know what is going to happen. The best martial art movie 
in the last few years is Ong-Bak. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 
Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith < daikaij...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
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> Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great Deal----From a Credit Card Company??

[Keith Johnson]

Great deal. Here in Atlanta it's good for Fernbank, Atlanta History Center, 
Botantical Gardens, Zoo Atlanta, the High Museum, and the Millennium Gate 
Museum 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:23:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company?? 

  




Keith, I got a flyer for that with my statement last month, and forgot all 
about it. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:48:19 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company?? 

  




This one caught me completely off guard.  A friend called to tell us about a 
deal that Bank of America (of all companies!) is running. During the first full 
weekend of the month , BOA card holders (ATM, check, or credit) can get into 
certain museums and exhibits around the country--for free! All you have to do 
is show your card and a photo ID. I thought it was a joke or misunderstanding, 
but went to the below website, and sure enough, it was true. 
Several good venues here in Atlanta were participating. My wife and I went to 
the Atlanta Botanical Gardens and spent three wonderful hours walking around. 
Thirty plus acres of flowers, cultured gardens,  vegetable gardens greenhouses 
full of orchids, bogs full of Pitcher Plants and Venus Flytraps--all for free! 

There are several good museums around the country participating, so it's not 
just some promotion for little used venues. Of course, I'd never suggest 
signing on with BOA just for this, but if you're already dealing with that 
devil, might as well get something out of it. Check it out...  

http://museums.bankofamerica.com/ 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Keith Johnson]

"Kung Fu Kid"?! Ain't feeling that... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:22:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




He is still making movies here and in Asia as well. I think that he will 
probably keep making money doing whatever he can because he is a bit of a 
workaholic. 

I read that he was working on Karate kid remake with Jaden Smith (Will's son) 
called the Kung Fu Kid. 
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a151344/karate-kid-redo-retitled-kung-fu-kid.html
 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content? 


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From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would love to see more from 
these guys. 

 The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later they 
suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film. For 
example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually became 
uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to make new 
films in this country. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall 

  




A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and over again, so by 
this point we already know what is going to happen. The best martial art movie 
in the last few years is Ong-Bak. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 
Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith < daikaij...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: hellomahog...@... 
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700 
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
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> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 3:39:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??

[Keith Johnson]

i've never watched any of the CSI shows, but i agree with you. He's laughable, 
standing in the Miami sunlight, pale skin obviously not meant for that 
environment, shades on, standing with hands on hips, speaking in clipped 
sentences.  I don't remember him being this irritating on the first season of 
"NYPD Blue". In fact, I liked him on that. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 12:57:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? 

  











Speaking of David Caruso, we call him baby Clint around here for his wanna be a 
tough guy act.  I can hardly stomach that show because of him 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:27:42 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? 

  





Reminds me of the funny ways the Miami Vice cops stood around posing when they 
had meetings--or the way David Caruso can't seem to stop posing when he solves 
crimes on CSI: Miami. 
I also missed the specific need for NCIS here: loosely, the Navy guy being 
involved is why they were involved? Other than that it was incredibly typical. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:19:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? 

  







I got the sense that Christopher O’Donnell’s character was like an early 
version of the Mark Harmon character.  My husband was put off by Linda Hunt’s 
mothering character.  Like you said they was trying too hard to fit into some 
type of formula and it almost feels forced 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of wlro...@aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:05 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? 








Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS LA I 
have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something about the 
first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it tried too 
hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they tired to 
model the characters after the original. 


--Lavender 







From: Keith Johnson 


Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 


Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? 





I plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I 
understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for 
television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be 
there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the 
world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the "NCIS" 
series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course. 
Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people in other 
cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything 
with "ferners" in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But I 
guess that's what the BBC is for? :) 
  
The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years, 
but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to 
have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months 
was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story 
is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i 
think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted 
the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks, 
and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to 
detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused 
the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the 
series. 
  
Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he 
was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is 
also quick to point out that the series is basically a "based on" story, not 
the original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV world. You 
can listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website. It's a 
pretty detailed one:    
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/09/19/slice-of-scifi-231/ 
  
  
  

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? 

  





Is anyone planning on checking out FlashForward on Thursday?  Anyone read the 
book? 

http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/we-saw-the-pilot-heres-wh.php 

We saw the pilot, and here's why we t

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman

[Martin Baxter]

If I had Photoshop...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:17:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman















 





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Now there's a thought--i have to Google it!

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From: "Martin Baxter" 

To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:03:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman








 





  


Talk about it, Brother Keith! Has anyone ever put together a "Women of DSNine" 
poster?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:14:40 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman
















 





  
Ha-ha-ha! Yep. Dawson is a really good actress: she has that "something" that's 
truly sultry and simmering and dangerous when she wants it to be. When Berry 
does her sexuality thing, it's more--overt to me. I guess for me, when she does 
it, I'm much more conscious that it's an *attempt* to manipulate me, as if 
she's trying too hard, whereas when someone like Dawson does it, it feels much 
more natural--just a part of who she is. I think of Berry's first bit of 
nudity, in the execrable "Swordfish". Remember the scene when she exposed her 
bare chest to Hugh Jackman? She was so obviously nervous, she jerked away a 
book to reveal her breasts like a novice actor trying to rush the scene. The 
look on her face obviously showed she was "playing" that scene instead of just 
"being" in that scene. On the surface, I think Berry is prettier than Dawson, 
but I find Dawson to be more attractive. 


That "it" factor is so hard to define. I noticed that in Star Trek series like 
"Voyager" and "Enterprise". So many men were going ga-ga over Seven of Nine and 
T'Pol. I found the obvious assets of each woman to be appealing, but never felt 
that extra attaction to them. I had a buddy recently go on and on at how hot 
Jolene Blalock was, and all but called me nuts when I said "She's okay". On 
DS9, Chase Masterson (The Daboh Girl who married Rom) is sho' 'nuff hot, great 
bod and all. But I found myself much more attracted to Dax and Kira, neither of 
whom was built as well. And Cassiday Yates--loved her!


- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:04:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman







 





  Rosario Dawson ("Ooooh! (Say) it again!" ~ Shenzi).  At last, 
Mr. Johnson, something we can agree on.



~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> Right, and frankly, I don't think Berry's a good enough actress to pull off 
> the movie it could have been .Now in this case, i can see the likes of 
> Rosaria Dawson with a better written role, and tearing it up. 


> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Mr. Worf"  

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 3:05:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: what if? Catwoman 

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> I'm not a big fan of his. The only movie I liked was Serial mom. I think that 
> for the movie to be done correctly they would need some smart, sharp and 
> spunky women involved in the project. Something that had a little more 
> substance to it than eye candy. Maybe an anti-social statement about 
> femininity combined with her using of her sexuality to seduce men. 


> 

> 

> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 

> 

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> 

> I think I'm just one of the few men walking who isnt' insanely infatuated 
> with Halle Berry. I see your points, it was just a crappy movie to me, and 
> sexuality/butchness/girl power has nothing to do with it. I don't think Pitof 
> has enough skill to craft something as slyly subversive or insightful as you 
> think this flick was. Now maybe if someone like John Waters had done it, it'd 
> have a edge to it skating the lines between camp and commentary, kind of a 
> wonderful mess that you can't look away from. But as for this, I think you're 
> seeing what the movie *could* have been, not what it was. 


> But that's just me. 

> 

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> 

> 

> 

> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 8:09:50 PM GMT -05

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Martin Baxter]

(going out to buy humane skunk trap and garlic)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: asrobin...@mindspring.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:51:38 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"















 





  

I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy reason 
like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something.  



I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a lot of 
garlic.



Angela



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

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> 

> I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to change 
> his worldview.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

>

>   

> yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the way 
> he was menacing women and civilians alike.

> 

> - Original Message -

> From: "Martin Baxter" 

> To: "SciFiNoir2" 

> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

> 

> Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple of 
> times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they 
> presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that 
> would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may 
> have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow 
> soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by 
> Ming-Na took him to task indicates that his temper is a known quantity).

> 

> As for Dr Rush, he seems to have lost someone close recently (his breaking 
> down over a picture when he was alone in his quarters), and that, coupled 
> with his innate need to learn all the mysteries that land before him may be a 
> driving factor for his seeming rushlessness and emotional distance.

> 

> I figure, using my geek-extrapolation abilities, that the reason that the 
> folks being evaced through the Stargate from Icarus Base were flying like 
> ten-pins might be because they were gating onto the Destiny as it was FTL, 
> that the force necessary to put them "safely" through really amped their 
> kinetic component. Colonel Young, last through because he was gathering 
> needed supplies, was at a run, hence his more serious injuries.

> 

> All in all, a fun run. I'll be tuning in as well.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:26:30 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

>   

> I admit it was an entertaining show. Like "Voyager", it struck with with high 
> production values, and a very competent cast. Everyone fit into his or her 
> role pretty seamlessly, the FX were good, story moved along. And like 
> "Voyager", we got glimpses into the backgrounds of the cast, but the details 
> will be fleshed out later.

> The show moved along at a good clip: It starts out with the people fleeing 
> some as yet undefined danger, literally being tossed through a Gate like 
> sacks of potatoes. In quick order they discover their plight of being on an 
> Ancient ship billoiins of light years from Earth. I actually like the concept 
> of sending the ships out ahead of time, then Gating to them perhaps centuries 
> later.

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> Aside from "Voyager", I detected a decided BSG feeling to the show. The look 
> and feel of it, the camera work, the mix of characters all reminded me of 
> BSG. It has potential. But the question is, will it be more like 
> "Voyager"--or much of the SG-1 years for that matter--and simply devolve into 
> an adequate story about lost people having an adventure of the week. Or, will 
> it manage to build upon the promising opening and be a grittier show like 
> BSG--or DS9.

> 

> I like the cast for the most part. The military leader is an actor we've seen 
> a lot and he fits. His second is a young guy who's green but able. They 
> work--and so nice not ot have a O'Neal clone cracking wise all the time! Even 
> the young Wesley Crusher knockoff is pretty good for now. Although his 
> inclusion in the team stretches all credibility (from how he was discovered 
> to how he's taken) he's okay. The resident genius--Dr. Rush--

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I think it's out now on DVD. Don't quote me on it just yet, but I think 
I saw it at a DVD stall at Stonecrest. I'm going to try to get up there today 
to look and see if my old eyes have failed me or not.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:00:09 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall















 





  
Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall







 





  A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and 
over again, so by this point we already know what is going to happen. The best 
martial art movie in the last few years is Ong-Bak. 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 

Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith  wrote:

I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions.




--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

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>

> Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands.

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

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> Enjoy. I did.

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

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> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:53:17 +

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

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> - Original Message -

> From: "Martin Baxter" 

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> To: "SciFiNoir2" 

> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 3:39:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

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> Interesting movies coming up. As far as the big studio stuff and the stuff 
> getting major press, it's not what I'd call a scintillating season, though 
> there's lots of good stuff.

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>  I'm looking forward to Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones", and Viggo 
> Mortensen in Cormack McCarthy's "The Road", even though it looks to be an 
> unrelentingly grim film. I hear the book is very good but very rough.  
> Cautiously optimistic about Zemeckis and Carey's CGI animated take on "A 
> Christmas Carol". The visuals for Zemecki's motion-capture tech have improved 
> greatly since the creepy-looking "Polar Express". If Jim Carey can just keep 
> his manic tendencies reigned in, it could be great. I'm a sucker for this 
> tale--owning the great B&W version starring Reginald Owen, as well as the 
> scary-as-hell '71 animated version. So, hoping this will be good!  
> "Precious", the movie about a Black, obese teen struggling with having a 
> second child due to molestation, is being buzzed about, so it's on my radar.  
> Looking forward to "Sherlock Holmes". Like the character, the time period, 
> the crime solving, and the lead actors.


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> debut. I just yet haven't gotten into any 3D films outside of Imax flicks 
> about nature. Disney's "Princess and the Frog", h

RE: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows

[Martin Baxter]

Yes, Mr Worf, and thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in that. 
Aside from "E.R.", I gave up on medical shows.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:10:49 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] slightly off topic: Hospital shows















 





  Is it me or have they all just turned into melodramas with a 
slight touch of medical science thrown in? The latest one to debut on CBS is 
called Three Rivers. From the previews this show is starting to look like the 
CSI Miami of hospital shows. Lots of beautiful scenic shots set to alternative 
rock, and ambient techno soundtracks. 


One of the main characters is a "rock star" and a doctor!

 "Sorry I have to finish surgery before we do that gig in central park dude!"

 Train wreck!! 


-- 

Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/



 

  













  
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[scifinoir2] FW: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket On SciFi Fans

[Martin Baxter]

And here it is. Apologies to Mr Sawyer, though -- he didn't utter those words, 
David Goyer did. Still, his own words aren't very helpful...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: 
From: teri.se...@rightbox.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:28:18 -0400
Subject: [milliways-L] Flash Forward Author Throws Wet Blanket On SciFi Fans















 





  

http://www.roddenberry.com/communityblogs/index/detail?id=438



By: Dennis Rayburn

09/23/2009



In talking to people at the conventions in Las 

Vegas and Atlanta the last couple of months, 

there is one TV series that a lot of people are 

waiting for, as it has gathered a lot of 

excitement and curiosity. That new series deals 

with everyone in the world blacks out for a 

couple of minutes. During that time, each person 

experiences a vision. Are they prophetic visions, 

destined to come to pass, or possible futures 

that can occur in that person's life? That is the 

central plot for the new series, Flash Forward 

which premieres on ABC Thursday night at 8pm EDT.



Science Fiction fans all over are excited about 

the show, and their expectations are high. 

However, something has happened that is casting a 

dark cloud over all of these potential viewers 

attitude about the show. It comes in the form of 

an interview with the author of the book from 

which the series is based, Robert J. Sawyer.



In the interview conducted by Clayton Neuman, 

which appears on the Slice Of SciFi website, 

Neuman is asked about Flash Forward's executive 

producer, David S. Goyer's repeated statements 

that the series is not a science fiction show. 

Mr. Sawyer responded with this statement:



“We've learned that people will happily put their 

rear end in a seat for two hours to watch a 

science fiction movie, but they won't watch again 

week after week. Thanks to George Lucas, science 

fiction in the visual media has been indelibly 

identified as escapism for adolescent boys. You 

look at Battlestar Galactica: Wonderful series, 

on a really good week it had 875,000 viewers out 

of 315 million people. We will die as a primetime 

network broadcast series if the same percentage 

of people decide they want to watch Flash 

Forward. So what had to be done was make sure 

people don't see science fictional tropes – they 

don't see robots, aliens, flying cars, what have 

you; and instead see the compelling character drama.”



Frankly, I fear Mr. Sawyer's definition of 

science fiction is terribly narrow and incorrect. 

A show does not have to have any of the things 

Mr. Sawyer apparently feels are negatives to be 

science fiction (or syence fyction with the Syfy 

change). When you have something happen that can 

not be explained, or that is based on something 

unheard of occurring, causing an entire 

population of a planet to black out and catch 

glimpses of the future, you can't call it a 

comedy, it's definitely more than drama, and it 

is certainly not based in reality. With all respect, sir, what can you call it?



In my opinion, George Lucas represents just a 

part of the genre which is called science 

fiction. Star Trek is only a part of it. Two of 

the best science fiction novels I've ever read 

were Fahrenheit 451 and Fantastic Voyage, and 

neither of them had any of the things Mr. Sawyer 

feels are to be avoided and those are widely 

acclaimed as great science fiction works.



In the matter of Battlestar Galactica, I would 

remind everyone that if Mr. Sawyer is talking 

about the recently concluded series, it showed on 

a cable network, on the night that is usually the 

TV graveyard for shows that networks think are 

about to fail, or are failing. If Mr. Sawyer is 

speaking of the original show, I would have to 

agree with his opinion, but remind him that this 

is 2009, and not the 1970's. What people like on TV changes with time.



In their efforts to get a large and varied 

audience of interested viewers, I fear that these 

remarks by Mr. Sawyer has only served to upset 

and anger one of the groups of fans that can be a 

core of viewers on which to build. For any TV 

series to survive on the networks, you need the 

sci-fi fans, the drama fans, and others to watch 

your program. You also need them to talk about 

the show to get others interested, which science 

fiction fans are known for doing.



Can science fiction keep viewers in their seats 

for a weekly series? I think the producers of 

Quantum Leap would answer yes, as would the 

producers of such shows as Babylon 5, Star Trek 

the Next Generation, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, 

Star Trek Voyager, Smallville, Battlestar 

Galactica, Eureka, Warehouse 13, Sanctuary, and 

others would beg to argue with you on that point.



Think about it.



Photos:  scifiscoop.com



Teri

Tampa, Florida

RE: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March

[Martin Baxter]

Tracey, I just had a post in another of my groups, in which Robert Sawyer 
actually says that "FlashForward" is NOT science fiction. My immediate reaction 
was to say that Siffy has so muddied the waters of the genre that people are 
beginning to distance themselves from the name. If I haven't deleted it, I'll 
post it here.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@yahoo.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:21:30 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] ABC Breaks Up 'V,' Moves Bulk Of Season To March















 





  








Network claims
this was the plan all along, but is this really a sign that there are bigger
problems with the new series than originally believed? 

First a production stoppage, and now ABC seems to be rethinking its plan on
how it will broadcast the remake of "V."


An ABC spokeswoman told Entertainment Weekly that while "V"
will indeed premiere on the network in November, it will be just four episodes
that will run during sweeps, and then not return again until March when the
Winter Olympics are over.


Sound like more problems for the remake of the Kenneth Johnson classic? ABC
says no. They had planned to air the show in "pod" format to create
event programming, the network told EW. However, the news comes on the
heels that the two-week hiatus that began earlier this month to help fix some
creative issues will extend another four weeks, meaning production likely won't
resume until around the time the first episodes air Nov. 3.


That could mean ABC is worried about how "V" will perform, and may
be looking closely at debut audience numbers to figure it out what to do next.
If the show underperforms, ABC will be able to pull the plug quickly without
expending too much producing episodes it may never intend to air. If it at
least meets audience expectations, then the network could green light
additional episodes that would be ready to shoot about the same time.


"V" has struggled to get out of the gate since the network said it
would seek a reimagination of the property earlier this year. Outside of the
current production stoppage, Warner Bros.
Television had asked
the Writers Guild of America to remove Johnson's name from the creator
credits, claiming the new version under "The 4400" vet Scott Peters
was completely different from the original.


However, a WGA mediation committee determined that the new series had enough
elements to require Warner Bros.
and ABC to continue including Johnson's credit in the series, and also to
compensate him for using his work.


The new series, which Johnson has told Airlock Alpha will not serve as an
impediment to his efforts to create a big-screen version of "V,"
stars Elizabeth Mitchell, Scott Wolf
and Morena Baccarin.


http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6723

 

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer

The Green Economy Post

http://greeneconomypost.com

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum

[Martin Baxter]

Thank you, B. Yes, I do, I do love parkour!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:08:47 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: District 13: Ultimatum















 





  Yes I have and it's great ride. If you like parkour or free 
running you'll love these movies.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin"  wrote:

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> Has anyone seen the prequel to this?

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> http://www.sci-fi-london.com/news/article/1254408286/2/district-13-ultimatum

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Martin Baxter]

Sorry, sent that last too soon. Chan's also been doing a lot of PR stuff for 
the Chinese government lately. And there's been a rumor of him doing a movie 
with Tony Jaa, but that's about it on the film front, to the best of my 
knowledge.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:19:47 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall















 





  
Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall







 





  Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would 
love to see more from these guys. 

 The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later they 
suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film. For 
example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually became 
uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to make new 
films in this country. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall








 





  A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and 
over again, so by this point we already know what is going to happen. The best 
martial art movie in the last few years is Ong-Bak. 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 


Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith  wrote:


I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions.




--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

>

> Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands.

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

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> Enjoy. I did.

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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

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> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:53:17 +

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> To: "SciFiNoir2" 

> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 3:39:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

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>  I'm looking forward to Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones", and Viggo 
> Mortensen in Cormack McCarthy's "The Road", even though it looks to be an 
> unrelentingly grim film. I hear the book is very good but very rough.  
> Cautiously optimistic about Zemeckis and Carey's CGI animated take on "A 
> Christ

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I saw a story on MSNBC over the weekend. The Chinese national cellular 
provider just changed their ringtone, from the usual "riiing... 
rng" to an uber-patriotic tune, sung by none other than Mr Chan 
himself.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:19:47 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall















 





  
Doesn't Chan continue to make films in Asia, to his heart's content?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:24:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall







 





  Only if they put the same kind of energy into it. I would 
love to see more from these guys. 

 The problem with stars like the guy in Ong Bak is that sooner or later they 
suffer an injury that will stop the shooting of the rest of the film. For 
example, Jackie Chan broke a lot of bones in his body and eventually became 
uninsured by his insurance company and that made it harder for him to make new 
films in this country. 



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















Ong-Bak 2 is coming out soon--think it'll be any good?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:53:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall








 





  A lot of the martial art movies use the same stunts over and 
over again, so by this point we already know what is going to happen. The best 
martial art movie in the last few years is Ong-Bak. 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ 


Fresh stunts that make you say OOooo and Ahhh. 

This movie is a "Hollywoodized" version of a martial art movie made to be a 
money maker. 


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, B Smith  wrote:


I really want to see Ninja Assassin but some festival screenings have generated 
some lukewarm reactions.




--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

>

> Hope you enjoy it. I will, as soon as it lands.

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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:00:33 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Films Coming to a Theatre Near You this Fall

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Martin Baxter]

Yes, she's gay, and it is the blond emedic she's apparently involved with. I 
guess she can't be open about it (thanks, Bill, for "don't ask, don't tell"!). 
And the blonde herself appears to be involved with Colonel Young, which might 
be a "not found" relationship itself.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:22:40 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"















 





  
I didn't know Ming Na's character is gay. Does that explain the furtive looks 
she's been exchanging with the blonde medic? Or was the blonde medic the one in 
that BSG-type sex scene with the Lieutenant earlier?
As  I mentioned, they noted this show will be edgier in terms of sex than the 
other Stargates. Note the commercials show scenes of people making out, women 
obviously naked swimming, etc. 

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:49:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"







 





  








I’ve been feeling the same irritation about his character.  However,
I kind of softened a little toward him when the Senator was sacrificing himself.

 

By the way, they are going to be making a big deal about Ming Na’s
character being gay.  You know they have to reel in the young white audience

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:05 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"





 











I
don't know: Ming Na's character said something to the effect that he deserved
to be in there, as if he's got anger issues. And even if he were locked up for
a reason, his behaviour after being released was definitely troubling. Buddy
was sweating, acting all nervous and agitated, and was trigger happy. While the
gravely injured commander leads with stoic resolve, and even the
barely-out-of-basic-training lieutenant rises to the occasion to become an
effective leader, the Brother is running around acting scared. He was seconds
from shooting Rush, the only soldier to so over react. He menanced Ming Na's
character, then told the lieutenant "She needs to stay out of my
space!", and it was such a nice image to see an armed military man acting
so belligerent toward a civilian female. 

If they'd balance out his character with another Brother, that'd be one thing,
but this is just irritating.

- Original Mess age -

From: "angelababycat" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 9:51:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"



  









I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy reason
like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something. 



I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a lot of
garlic.



Angela



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
Martin Baxter  wrote:

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> I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to change
his worldview.

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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

> 

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> yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the
way he was menacing women and civilians alike.

> 

> - Original Message -

> From: "Martin Baxter" 

> To: "SciFiNoir2" 

> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

> 

> Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple
of times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they
presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that
would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may
have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow
soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by
Ming-Na took him to task indicates that his temper is a known quantity).

> 

> As for Dr Rush, he seems to have lost someone close recently (his breaking
down over a picture when he was alone in his quarters), and that, coupled with
his innate need to learn all the mysteries that land before him may be a
driving factor for his seeming rushlessness and emotional distance.

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> I figure, using my geek-extrapolation abilities, t

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[Martin Baxter]

Maybe he's got an inner Steven Seagal...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:20:44 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"















 





  
Let's hope. On second viewing, he doesn't look any more promising. 
Hey...maybe the Brother who works in food services will be elevated to become a 
hero!

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:28:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"







 





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with the doctor character and tripped out. It could be the writers manipulating 
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















I don't know: Ming Na's character said something to the effect that he deserved 
to be in there, as if he's got anger issues. And even if he were locked up for 
a reason, his behaviour after being released was definitely troubling. Buddy 
was sweating, acting all nervous and agitated, and was trigger happy. While the 
gravely injured commander leads with stoic resolve, and even the 
barely-out-of-basic-training lieutenant rises to the occasion to become an 
effective leader, the Brother is running around acting scared. He was seconds 
from shooting Rush, the only soldier to so over react. He menanced Ming Na's 
character, then told the lieutenant "She needs to stay out of my space!", and 
it was such a nice image to see an armed military man acting so belligerent 
toward a civilian female. 

If they'd balance out his character with another Brother, that'd be one thing, 
but this is just irritating.
- Original Message -
From: "angelababycat" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 9:51:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"








 





  

I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy reason 
like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something.  



I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a lot of 
garlic.



Angela



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to change 
> his worldview.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

>

>   

> yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the way 
> he was menacing women and civilians alike.

> 

> - Original Message -

> From: "Martin Baxter" 

> To: "SciFiNoir2" 

> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"

> 

> Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple of 
> times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they 
> presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that 
> would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may 
> have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow 
> soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by 
> Ming-Na took him to task indicates that his temper is a known quantity).


> 

> As for Dr Rush, he seems to have lost someone close recently (his breaking 
> down over a picture when he was alone in his quarters), and that, coupled 
> with his innate need to learn all the mysteries that land before him may be a 
> driving factor for his seeming rushlessness and emotional distance.


> 

> I figure, using my geek-extrapolation abilities, that the reason that the 
> folks being evaced through the Stargate from Icarus Base were flying like 
> ten-pins might be because they were gating onto the Destiny as it was FTL, 
> that the force necessary to put them "safely" through really amped their 
> kinetic component. Colonel Young, last through because he was gathering 
> needed supplies, was at a run, hence his more serious injuries.


> 

> All in all, a fun run. I'll be tuning in as well.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great Deal----From a Credit Card Company??

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I got a flyer for that with my statement last month, and forgot all 
about it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:48:19 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: A Great DealFrom a Credit Card Company??















 





  
This one caught me completely off guard.  A friend called to tell us about a 
deal that Bank of America (of all companies!) is running. During the first full 
weekend of the month , BOA card holders (ATM, check, or credit) can get into 
certain museums and exhibits around the country--for free! All you have to do 
is show your card and a photo ID. I thought it was a joke or misunderstanding, 
but went to the below website, and sure enough, it was true. 
Several good venues here in Atlanta were participating. My wife and I went to 
the Atlanta Botanical Gardens and spent three wonderful hours walking around. 
Thirty plus acres of flowers, cultured gardens,  vegetable gardens greenhouses 
full of orchids, bogs full of Pitcher Plants and Venus Flytraps--all for free!

There are several good museums around the country participating, so it's not 
just some promotion for little used venues. Of course, I'd never suggest 
signing on with BOA just for this, but if you're already dealing with that 
devil, might as well get something out of it. Check it out...  

http://museums.bankofamerica.com/


 

  













  
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