[scifinoir2] Re: Boris Kodjoe Cast in'Resident Evil 4: Afterlife'
I thought the last one, Resident Evil: Extinction, was pleasantly entertaining. Russell Mulcahy brought a sense of visual flair to the movie and moving the action away from the city was a good choice. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: You all know that I'm anti-sequel, and this is my primary citation as to why the things hsouldn't occur. Each installment after the first has been, for me, an escalating exercise in viewing confusion. Even trying to turn off my brain and jut watch for the fights and stunts is difficult. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:24:00 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Boris Kodjoe Cast in'Resident Evil 4: Afterlife' Same here, and I do not even like the Resident Evil Business From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of L Freeman Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:24 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Boris Kodjoe Cast in'Resident Evil 4: Afterlife' If he makes it through even half of the movie, I am going to see it. Sorry, it's been too long since I had a chance to see Boris. --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Boris Kodjoe Cast in'Resident Evil 4: Afterlife' To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:05 PM I wouldn't either. They killed the black guy at the beginning in the last one From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:51 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Boris Kodjoe Cast in'Resident Evil 4: Afterlife' I wouldn't put money on that, Tracey. Not to assume that H'Wood would automatically consign a brother to death in a horror movie, mind you, but I've noticed that a few movies have gone against convention and had the hero of the piece die a noble, sacrificial death. But only time will tell. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:00:13 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Boris Kodjoe Cast in'Resident Evil 4: Afterlife' Maybe he won't have to die like Black men usually do in this genre Boris Kodjoe (who stars alongside Bruce Willis on the forthcoming Surrogates) revealed on his Twitter page that he's set to star in Resident Evil 4: Afterlife, which is currently in pre-production in Toronto, Canada (we saw people getting picked up at the airport). In Toronto meeting with the director of my new movie Resident Evil: Afterlife. Very exciting!!! Lots of stunts, shooting guns, monsters, he exclaimed. Paul W.S. Anderson returns to direct the 3D sequel, which will also see the return of Milla Jovovich as Alice. http://www.bloody- disgusting. com/news/ 17405 Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer The Green Economy Post http://greeneconomy post.com tra...@greeneconomy post.com Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
[scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I don't get the outrage. My grandfather raised livestock and my cousins and I fed them, cared for them, etc. during the summers. After the first steer we raised disappeared and came back in coolers wrapped in white butcher's paper we were shocked and mad...until we got our share of the hamburger and other meat. Farm kids learn early on that those animals are not going to be there forever and if they come back it will be as dinner. This doesn't encourage cruelty or anything of the sort in fact it usually has the opposite effect. The animals are well cared for because they are income and/or food. The incident described in the article is a pretty common practice in production agriculture courses, FFA and 4-H. My friend is teacher and does a similar program with his 7th graders. We both majored in animal science in college and part of the course work was humanely raising and processing food animals. More people need to understand where their food comes from and it isn't the store. ;) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ha-ha! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:13:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth For several weeks, I've had my eye (and mouth) set on a chicken parmesan sammich from Zaxby's, and I finally got one today for lunch. I didn't name it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:26:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They are looking at it being lunch. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Nope. Those are the Children of the Corn 2009. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:33:17 + Subject: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth http://eishafu.notlong.com Are these Bey-Bey's kids? ~(no)rave! Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.
[scifinoir2] Re: the Strain
I agree for the most part. It wasn't terribly scary but the atmosphere and tension were great. Some sequences like the one at the airport when you know who makes his first appearance, the suburb that gets overrun and the rats boiling out of the ground were great. The ending was a bit of a shocker. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Has anyone read the Guillermo Del Toro/Chuck Hogan novel, The Strain? I'm almost through with it and have to say it's a passle of fun though not as scary as the hype, by far. At least up to this point. I'm wondering what anyone else thinks Bosco
[scifinoir2] Re: District 9 Does Well at Box Office
It's actually a murder mystery set in Antartica. The original graphic novel by Greg Rucka was a tense, keep you guessing until the end thriller. The movie looks like they did away with a lot of it and went for some explosions instead. It's been on the shelf for quite a while fo I'm not holding out much hope. From looking at the casting it appears that they changed the gender of Lily Sharpe. It's a shame because that character got spun off into the awesome Queen and Country series under a different name. But that would be telling. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Mr. Worfhellomahog...@... wrote: There is also Whiteout which looks like a rip off of the Thing. When I saw the trailer, I thought it was an adaptation of In the Mountains of Madness. Justin -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and that is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic. The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence and hearing audible gasps when the famous line I am a leaf on the wind is said that last time. I'm glad they gave B5 some love too. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech at the end of season 1 for me. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: Grab Kleenex, folks... http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=sf_s_26_greatest_tearjerkers If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now.http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
[scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species
How about the Narn from B5? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: They forgot Robotech. 2009/8/19 Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Specieshttp://io9.com/5340280/the-best-of-science-fictions-oppressed-species By Lauren Davis http://io9.com/people/Lauren_Davis/posts/, 3:30 PMhttp://io9.com/5340280/the-best-of-science-fictions-oppressed-specieson Tue Aug 18 2009, [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/08/thumb160x_District9Poster_000.jpg] *District 9 http://io9.com/tag/district-9/*'s crustacean aliens may be the first extraterrestrials to experience South Africa's apartheid, but they're hardly the first species to feel the sting of oppression. We list science fiction's other downtrodden, enslaved, and dehumanized (so to speak) species. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/08/Alien_Nation_01.jpg]*The Newcomers (Alien Nation http://io9.com/tag/alien-nation/):* *District 9*'s aliens are most often compared to the Tenctonese, better known as the Newcomers. Like the *D9* aliens, the Newcomers just can't catch a break. After fleeing from slavery on their own planet, a quarter of a million Newcomers land in Los Angeles to find a sometimes less than welcoming human population. Aside from the unfortunate names some INS officials assign the new arrivals (in the original movie, Matt Sykes' partner was named Sam Francisco), there are anti-alien Purists who think the Tenctonese should have stayed on Tencton, and plenty of murder, both from humans looking to eradicated the Newcomers and from those who would harvest their life-extending glands. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/08/thumb160x_Jem_Hadar.jpg]*The Citizens of the Dominion (Star Trek http://io9.com/tag/star-trek/: Deep Space Nine):* With all of its explorations of race and morality, the *Star Trek* universe has had its fair share of oppressed species: the Troglyte miners who served their fellow Ardanans, the Romulans' Reman slaves, the Orion women (who only appear to be slaves), the Tosk who serve as prey for the Hunters' sport, the Bajorans who endure 50 years of Cardassian occupation, and, of course, anyone who encounters the Borg. But the Founders of the Dominion have a special talent for oppression, from engineering the supersoldier Jem'Hadar with an innate addiction to the drug ketracel white to infecting the Trevean with a congenital blight. Even the Vorta, who serve as the Dominion's middle managers, are mere slaves to the Founders, and are compelled to commit suicide if it serves their masters' purposes. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/08/Clone.jpg]*Clone Troopers (Star Wars http://io9.com/tag/star-wars/):* Slavery runs rampant in the Galactic Empire, with the Empire itself enslaving species like the Wookiees and the Mon Calamari wholesale, and some races, like the Twi'leks, would sell their own children into slavery in hopes of offering them a better life. And biological species buy and sell sentient droids (and ban them from their bars) without a second thought. But the genetically engineered (though otherwise human) Clone Troopers hold a special place among *Star Wars*' oppressed beings. Not only are they specifically grown for compulsory military service, they are essentially the property of the Galactic Republic, a government that has supposedly outlawed slavery. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/08/ood.jpg]*The Ood (Doctor Who http://io9.com/tag/doctor-who/):* Humans looking to have their own sentient slave without the guilt were told they could pick up an Ood servant with minimal damage to the conscience. After all, the Ood live to serve, right? Nothing in the Doctor's universe is ever so easy, and Donna and the Doctor soon discover that Ood Operations, the company supplying the alien servants, had cut off the Ood's telepathic link to the Ood brain, hampering their free will and leaving them to mix drinks and do laundry for their human masters. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/08/farscape9.jpg]*Banik (Farscape):* Oppression is a fairly widespread characteristic of the * Farscape* universe. Pretty much anyone living under Peacekeeper rule has a few humanoid rights trampled on (including the Peacekeepers themselves), and Scarrans have a pair of servant races who provide them with soldiers, intelligence agents, and technicians. But the Baniks hold an especially low place in the *Farscape* hierarchy. Having been mostly wiped out by Peacekeeper forces, the remaining Baniks have been enslaved, and the Banik Stark is repeatedly subjected to Scorpius' Aurora Chair, a torture and interrogation device. But the casual disregard for the lives of Baniks reaches its most shocking low when Scorpius purchases
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. To Bring Lestat Back To The Big Screen
Alexander Skarsgard would be great but they probably want a big name. Don't get me wrong he's great in True Blood and was awesome in Generation Kill but Lestat is very different than Eric and it would be intersesting to see if he could pull it off. Lestat if done right would be hard to pull off. Human Lestat, early vampire Lestat, Interview era Lestat and modern Lestat are damned near different characters. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Total opposite here. I don't think he can pull it off. Now, the guy who plays Eric in True Blood? *That* would've been brilliant casting. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Normally I would feel the same way, but . The casting of Downey Jr ..and my love of vampire stories I'm there *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin Baxter *Sent:* Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:37 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Cc:* ggs...@...; 'Cinque'; 'Sincere' *Subject:* [RE][scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. To Bring Lestat Back To The Big Screen (throwing hands in air, walking away) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *[scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. To Bring Lestat Back To The Big Screen *Date : *Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:07:58 -0700 *From : *Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... *To : *scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@..., 'Cinque' cinque3...@..., 'Sincere' sincere1...@... We've been scrambling all week to confirm the following report, especially since it came from a very reliable source and is insanely logical considering the popularity of vampires these days. I guess something good has come from the success of Twilight as Bloody Disgusting has learned exclusively that Universal Pictures is looking to restart Anne Rice's The Vampire Chronicles , which tells the tale of the vampire Lestat Du Lioncort (through his narration), a nobleman-turned-vampire in the late 18th century. No word yet on how they plan on unrolling this franchise, but we did find out who they are talking with to replace Tom Cruise and Stuart Townsend. Read on for the skinny. We have confirmed this afternoon that ROBERT DOWNEY JR. is in close talks to play the vampire Lestat in Universal Pictures' The Vampire Chronicles, a newly rebooted franchise based on Anne Rice's popular novels. Lestat appears as a major character in both motion picture adaptations of The Vampire Chronicles novels. In Neil Jordan's 1994 film adaptation of Interview with the Vampire, he is portrayed by Tom Cruise. In the 2002 film adaptation of Queen of the Damned, he is played by Stuart Townsend. The Vampire Chronicles is a series of novels by Anne Rice that revolves around the fictional character Lestat de Lioncourt, a French nobleman made into a vampire in the 18th century. From Wiki: The Vampire Chronicles Interview with the Vampire (1976) The Vampire Lestat (1985) The Queen of the Damned (1988) The Tale of the Body Thief (1992) Memnoch the Devil (1995) The Vampire Armand (1998) Merrick (2000) Blood and Gold (2001) Blackwood Farm (2002) Blood Canticle (2003) http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/17082 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: FW: Michael Vick on 60 Minutes
Agreed. I'm love my dogs and I find what Vick did to be reprehensible but he did his time and paid restitution. Rave, The RICO statutes are the only reason his punishment was so harsh. There was a huge dog fighting ring near here that was broken up and they are all facing the same sort of time as Michael Vick. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: Let me say this about that: killing dogs in Virgina is a class four felony the same as the possession of marijuana, and no one in the Commonwealth of Virginia has ever gotten two years at Leavenworth and a $100 million fine for possession of marijuana. When Greyhound racing dogs can't race any more they are killed. When under performing race horses can't race any more they become dog food. When racing pigs can't cut it any more they become barbecue. I personally think Vick's mother did a piss poor job of raising him and his brother, Marcus, but Vick's punishment and the need for his subsequent mea culpas has been WAY out of proportion to his crime. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ wrote: People have strong opinions about this man and what he did. Check out the interview. My opinion? He still doesn't get it, but everybody deserves a second chance. I think he'll mess up again, maybe in some other area of his life. I hope not. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5245553ntag=contentMain;cbsCarousel http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5245553ntag=contentMain;cbsCarousel Maurice C. Jennings, Security Consultant ForceField Protection Products, LLC The experts in personal and home protection! www.forcefieldprotectionproducts.com http://www.forcefieldprotectionproducts.com/ 860-690-4981
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9
Apparently Halo will go back into production but without Peter Jackson's involvement. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: You know there's a Halo anime coming out, don't you? http://buttonmasher.co.nz/blog/2009/07/27/halo-animated-series-announced/ -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 Date : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I think if the movie is a big success the Halo project may again se the light of day. --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:52 AM thanks for clearing that up. Do you think any of the look of the aliens and stuff, though, are Halo influenced? again, the thought was it was pulled over from early production work Jackson had already done on Halo... - Original Message - From: thebayindo To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:07:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 The rumor is false regarding the failed HALO being slid over as District 9. D9 is based on an original piece of work; Niel K's 'Alive in Jo-Borg which I watched when it was first released back in the day. He was kept in New Zealand developing the short into a feature length, did a faux graphic novel which brought interest to it, lead to Peter being interested in doing the deal (after he viewed the short) and outside financing was brought in on the pre-sales... .It has no genetic relation to HALO --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Thanks for that, Keith. I really didn't know about the Halo movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 Date : Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:41:07 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I heard on the podcast Slice of SciFi a fan call in and say how District 9 reminded him of ID4 and the videogame Halo. The hosts said, yeah it looks a lot like 'Halo', down to the aliens. They said that this is the case because, if you remember, Peter Jackson was initially engaged to do a movie version of Halo. Ultimately that project fell through, but the rumour is he was so far into planning for Halo, he decided to do a different concept, and gave the project over to another guy to direct as District 9. Not sure if this is true, but I do remember Jackson was working on a Halo movie. So i guess it's not a big stretch to think that the production setups he might have had in place for that were then moved to this flick. I need to do some research for the truth of this... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:51:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 Keith, I'm hyped for it as well. I've been avoiding any websites that hawk it in anyway, primarily because of my aversion to critics. All but one person I've spoken to regarding it are keen to see it as well. (That one refers to it as an 'Alien Nation' ripoff.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:55:00 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com The District 9 flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South Africa (so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, and the fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm actually looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this year, including Star Trek. Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find favorable reviews via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as local newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to even find real critics). http://www.rottento matoes.com/ m/district_ 9/ * * * * * * * http://boxoffice. com/reviews/ 2009/07/district -9.php District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under the age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No matter what else it seems to be about,
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9
I saw it and really liked it. I'll avoid too much discussion until others have seen it because discussing the story is hard without venturing into spoiler land. I've heard some complaints about the depiction of the Nigerians in the movie. Not saying it's right but it seems to be in a recurring theme in films from South Africa. There seems to be quite a bit of tension between South Africans and immigrants from West Africa. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: You like GI Joe better??? Wow. I liked Joe okay, but found it to be a frankly brain-on-hold film. Not a thing wrong with that: i enjoyed it, laughed a lot, and it had some good action. I just expected District 9 to be seen in a different light, since it's a serious movie, as opposed to Joe. By the way, my one major complaint with G.I. Joe? it's the same one I have with other movies Sommers has directed, like Van Helsing, the same complaint I have with a lot of directors nowadays: the camera work! What is it about directors now, especially younger ones, that makes them think the camera jumping all over the place is a good thing. I get trying to convey a sense of frenetic action. There are times when using a steadycam or whatever works: chase scenes, for example, when the camera's shaking and moving around, making the audience feel the intensity of being the pursued or the pursuer. Some moments of battle: right after an explosion, in the middle of a firefight when guys are so confused and terrified and angry they're all over the place. Used well, it enhances the action. The third Bourne movie did a good job of that. But with Joe, I literally couldn't follow the fights. The girlfight? Just a bunch of one-second cuts where I couldn't see who was kicking whom and couldnt even tell who had the better fighting style. Snake Eyes and his evil brother in the martial arts showdown? too-fast shots of weapons flying and kicks, with me completely unable to tell what was going on. I really, really, hate the direction directors in Hollywood are going. Again, I get action. But when I literally can't see a sword stroke, to savor the skill of the wielder, because the scene is shot from six inches away, and the camera only holds for two seconds, it becomes simply a overhyped mess that does nothing more than confuse, anger, and dizzy me. These directors need to study Hong Kong action films, martial arts films taking place in ancient China, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, and any American action film shot before 1980, where directors and cinematographers understood the concept of the wide shot, the pan, and how to shoot and incredibly intense fight scene from a distance. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:38:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 well Keith i saw it yesterday, and i am not going 2 say anything about it until a few more people see it. i had a few issues with it, but it was an o.k. sci-fi picture...liked g.i. joe better though (but that is just the Marine in me). Although they did show a very nice trailer for 'Percy Jackson and the Lighting Thief' movie due in february of next year. i originally bought the books 4 my son. he enjoyed them so much that he asked me 2 read them, and they are actually quite good. Fate. --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 12:22 AM He's white, right? Not surprised though: I think even Peter Jackson and his friends are from New Zealand, South Africa, etc., and probably have a circle of friends and acquaintances that are mostly like them. I hope to see the movie tomorrow, but also want to see the new Miyazaki film! - Original Message - From: George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:22:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 I've been following this for months.I'm just glad to see my favorite vacation spot (South Africa] in a so-called major Hollywood movie. Still even though filmed in south Africa the major hero/star of the movie is of what color??? --- On Thu, 8/13/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to District 9 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:23 PM Oh well...That kills my speculations about District 9 going to be a tongue in cheek comedy... --- On Tue,
[scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. To Bring Lestat Back To The Big Screen
If they trim down some parts of The Vampire Lestat it could make a pretty decent film. Lestat's origin story and his abandonment soon after his rebirth is a solid story. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: We've been scrambling all week to confirm the following report, especially since it came from a very reliable source and is insanely logical considering the popularity of vampires these days. I guess something good has come from the success of Twilight as Bloody Disgusting has learned exclusively that Universal Pictures is looking to restart Anne Rice's The Vampire Chronicles http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/film/4280 , which tells the tale of the vampire Lestat Du Lioncort (through his narration), a nobleman-turned-vampire in the late 18th century. No word yet on how they plan on unrolling this franchise, but we did find out who they are talking with to replace Tom Cruise and Stuart Townsend. Read on for the skinny. We have confirmed this afternoon that ROBERT DOWNEY JR. is in close talks to play the vampire Lestat in Universal Pictures' The Vampire Chronicles, a newly rebooted franchise based on Anne Rice's popular novels. Lestat appears as a major character in both motion picture adaptations of The Vampire Chronicles novels. In Neil Jordan's 1994 film adaptation of Interview with the Vampire, he is portrayed by Tom Cruise. In the 2002 film adaptation of Queen of the Damned, he is played by Stuart Townsend. The Vampire Chronicles is a series of novels by Anne Rice that revolves around the fictional character Lestat de Lioncourt, a French nobleman made into a vampire in the 18th century. From Wiki: The Vampire Chronicles Interview with the Vampire (1976) The Vampire Lestat (1985) The Queen of the Damned (1988) The Tale of the Body Thief (1992) Memnoch the Devil (1995) The Vampire Armand (1998) Merrick (2000) Blood and Gold (2001) Blackwood Farm (2002) Blood Canticle (2003) http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/17082
[scifinoir2] Re: Walking Dead Going to the Small Screen
I would have been leery except for one fact, it's being done by Frank Darabont. After watching the Mist I'm convinced that he is a great fit for the job. I just hope that he gets a big enough budget to do later parts of the series right. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about this. AMC has picked up the option for Walking Dead. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3idee9d1f93a71c575e5cdd4d9a8b8450e Bosco
[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
That might have been a little hard. because he took Babylon 4 into the past and became Valen. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: i liked sinclair as the ambassador. i think they should have used his character in the later seasons. especially 45 when they were tying up all the loose ends. --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:25 AM  Yeah, fresh from the days of Scarecrow and Mrs. King and his many TV westerns and such. I thought he was okay in the role, but I always missed Sinclair for some reason. His understated performance worked for me in that world. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:16:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS  Keith, i remember when they replaced Sinclair. that is what they wanted. someone a little younger and a little better known. at the time, boxleitner was a bigger star. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:12 AM  I thought the first season of B5 was good. Lots of setup there: the introduction of Mr. Morden, the first appearance of a Shadow vessel (barely seen), an appearance of one of the other First Ones ships, the slow buildup of tension with Earthgov--it' s a great foundation for what came later. Never did understand why Sinclair was replaced: I guess they wanted a more Kirk-like character, rather than the more sedate Sinclair? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:17:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS  I'm with you on Babylon 5 as well, Mr Worf. Aside from that snoozer of a first season and the jarring effect of the removal of Commander Sinclair and being replaced by Captain Sheridan, that series cooked with gas. I really can't see how thw Dominion War was dragged out. It lasted four years, shorter than WWII. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:14:48 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I would agree to Babylon 5 but not DS9. They were dragging the war out. The only thing that I did enjoy was the development of Odo's character. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons of DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was starting to slack off a bit. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com wrote: Cleoptara 2525 --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote: From: Bosco Bosco Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club. Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye Show. Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly. Bosco --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote: From: Michelle Lauren Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a
[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
JMS had the entire story laid out but some story elements were tweaked and reworked for the series. I was reading about his original vision of the series and its sequel. Maybe he'll do his alternate take on the material as book or comic someday. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Maybe, Keith. But then, I'm reminded of the story I heard (unfortunately, no way to substantiate this) that Strazyncki (sp?) had the entire run of the series laid out even before he presented it to any producers. If that's true, then it makes sense, because I remember the ep when they captured Sinclair's Starfury as he was trying to ram a Minabri ship, took him prisoner and were about to interrogate him when they, for some reason, took a gander at his DNA and immediately released him, because it proved that he was the reincarnation of Valen, and that he had to leave B5 in order to fulfill that destiny, taking B4 back in time to be used as a base for the Minbari in the First Shadow War. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:12:14 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I thought the first season of B5 was good. Lots of setup there: the introduction of Mr. Morden, the first appearance of a Shadow vessel (barely seen), an appearance of one of the other First Ones ships, the slow buildup of tension with Earthgov--it's a great foundation for what came later. Never did understand why Sinclair was replaced: I guess they wanted a more Kirk-like character, rather than the more sedate Sinclair? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:17:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS I'm with you on Babylon 5 as well, Mr Worf. Aside from that snoozer of a first season and the jarring effect of the removal of Commander Sinclair and being replaced by Captain Sheridan, that series cooked with gas. I really can't see how thw Dominion War was dragged out. It lasted four years, shorter than WWII. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:14:48 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I would agree to Babylon 5 but not DS9. They were dragging the war out. The only thing that I did enjoy was the development of Odo's character. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons of DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was starting to slack off a bit. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Cleoptara 2525 --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote: From: Bosco Bosco Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club. Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye Show. Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly. Bosco --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote: From: Michelle Lauren Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic setting) â everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just arrived today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and uber-talented actress Gina Torres. What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early? Michelle Lauren ~ Join my
[scifinoir2] Re: Get to know G.I. Joe
If you don't mind some less than perfect English subtitles you could probably find them for a decent price. The official releases tend to be a bit expensive. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, gym...@... wrote: The are expensive?
[scifinoir2] Re: My new man crush: Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr.
O'Donnell is a perfect counterpoint to Buchanan and the Republican shouters. They charge in and dissects them and leaves confused and looking foolish. Give that man a show. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdli...@... wrote: Maybe they are grooming him for his own show --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: I'm on the late show but Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. is hosting the Ed Show this week on MSNBC. IMHO a significant upgrade. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: I've got a new man crush. His name is Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. and although he has a long footprint - he has been around since the Clinton Administration, I first became aware of him when he recently guest hosted Keith Olbermann's MSNBC show. As of late, Mr. O'Donnell has been all over MSNBC, particularly The Morning Joe program and, to my admittedly biased ear, he is the only pragmatic and reasoned voice in popular media today. O'Donnell, an Emmy-Award winning producer and writer for the NBC series West Wing, is renown for his aggressive debate style. He once shouted liar! over and over again at Swift Boat Spokesperson John O'Neill and for shouting at fellow panelist Cathy Seipp on the issue of public education and teachers. O'Donnell refers to himself as a pragmatic European socialist but more tellingly, Morning Joe Scarborough delights in frequently calling him crazy which informs me that O'Donnell must be the most honest white man in America. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!?
Great story. I've been reading the collected Hammer's Slammers stories and I reread this one not long ago. I've been reading Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence and it's a mindblower. You have to love a series about a race that has existed as long as the universe and has been in a shooting war with an enemy just as old and unknowable. Xeeleeverse humanity would trounce the vast majority of fictional super empires but they are less than gnats to the Xeelee and the Photino Birds. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, votomguy votom...@... wrote: Well it wasn't a novel, but a short story written in 1989. David Drake's At Any Price. It takes place in the Hammer's Slammers Universe on a predominiately African World where Islamic fundamentalists have taken over and are killing black Islamic followers who don't convert to becoming Arab Muslims. In lieu of the Darfar situation, it definitely hit you like a punch in the gut, but in a good way as it was thought provoking. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW! And, by that, I mean the last novel that made your head spin around. For me it was William Gibson's Neuromancer and that was published in 1984, twenty-five years ago! By-the-by, I am only interested in novel novels - do not summit graphic novels. Thanks, ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
Space: Above and Beyond Now and Again Hypernauts Surface --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Since we've been forced to acknowledge Cleopatra 2525, can we counter-balance that with its counter-piece, Jack of All Trades? And, as I have invoked The One True Bruce, allow me to toss in The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:36:08 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You...do realize you're co-signing Cleopatra2525,right? I never thought I'd type this, but if you haven't seen the 3rd season of enterprise, do. The rest of my list is Farscape, Odyssey 5, and G v. E. On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Michelle Lauren wrote: Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic setting) â everything was wonderful . My DVD set of the series just arrived today and I can't wait to wa tch it again. Fox made a serious mistake canceling this show. If som eone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and uber-talented actress Gina Torres. What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early? Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win a $10 Amazon Gift Card.** www.MichelleLaurenBooks.com ~ Multicultural Romance that defies boundaries Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon | Fictionwise | Liquid Silver Books Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009 How to Tame a Harpy ~ Romantic Times American Title V Finalist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Their New to Me Graphic Novels
I love The Walking Dead and it's one of the feww comics I still collect. I've read the first few trades of Y and plan to catch up once I get a little more time and extra money. If you like those check out some of their other work. Kirkman's Invincible is one of the best superhero comics out there and Vaughn's Runaways was great too. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: I have been reading two series in Graphic Novels that I discovered at work. First is the Zombie Apocalypse party known as Walking Dead. I'm two volumes into it and it's pretty right on. Zombies, people struggling to survive, Zombies, ethical delimmas in a world without law, Zombies, adventure in the search for a new home, and Zombies. It's pretty bad ass. I'm also, three volumes into Y The Last Man. Yorrick is the last man on earth. All other men died from a mysterious plague. He's wandering the country with a spy/protector with no Name and a genetic scientist who's a cloning expert. All the while he's being hunted by crazed lesbians bent on destroying him and the Israeli Army who are determined to capture him for strategic advantage. It's also very funny. Anyone else read either of these? Bosco
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Their New to Me Graphic Novels
I'd suggest that you read the first trade. It plays out much better when you have the entire first story at hand. By the time the main cast is set you'll be hooked. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Bosco, that's a big yes on Y-The Last Man, every single issue. And my heart still lurches at that ending. But I've only touched one issue of Walking Dead. Liked it, but can't say that I'd invest further. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Their New to Me Graphic Novels Date : Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From : Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... To : Sci Fi Noir scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I have been reading two series in Graphic Novels that I discovered at work. First is the Zombie Apocalypse party known as Walking Dead. I'm two volumes into it and it's pretty right on. Zombies, people struggling to survive, Zombies, ethical delimmas in a world without law, Zombies, adventure in the search for a new home, and Zombies. It's pretty bad ass. I'm also, three volumes into Y The Last Man. Yorrick is the last man on earth. All other men died from a mysterious plague. He's wandering the country with a spy/protector with no Name and a genetic scientist who's a cloning expert. All the while he's being hunted by crazed lesbians bent on destroying him and the Israeli Army who are determined to capture him for strategic advantage. It's also very funny. Anyone else read either of these? Bosco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Who is the best comic-book villain ever?
Starlin's Thanos or The Lord High Papal from Dreadstar. Darkseid as written by Kirby or in The Great Darkness Saga is pretty high up there. Kid Miracleman from Alan Moore's classic run on the book. The Saint of Killers from Preacher. For a strictly human villain: The Governor from The Walking Dead. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: And so the thread lives... My vote goes to the second Mist, from James Robinson's Starman run for DC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mist_(comics) Ferocious, this chick was. Your turns! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!
It's a post-apocalyptic novel about the effects of a comet strike on Earth. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: What was Lucifer's Hammer? - Original Message - From: B. Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!? I loved both of those as well as Lucifer's Hammer and their collaborations with Steven Barnes, The Legacy of Heorot and Beowulf's Children. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Enjoyed that book, but I think Footfall ,for some reason, got me more. Maybe it was the whole thought of space-traveling pachyderms... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:00:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!? For me, The Mote In God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Great ideas, semi-plausible scientific bases, fun read all the way through. (And, apparently, some of my former friends agree -- the four who stole each of the four copies I owned, that is.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!? Date : Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:46:14 - From : ravenadal ravenadal@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW! And, by that, I mean the last novel that made your head spin around. For me it was William Gibson's Neuromancer and that was published in 1984, twenty-five years ago! By-the-by, I am only interested in novel novels - do not summit graphic novels. Thanks, ~rave! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!?
Probably either The Killing Star by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski or Ship of Fools by Richard Paul Russo. They are both very chilling takes on Earth's first coontact with alien intelligence. The universe is not a nice place. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Carter mbsj...@... wrote: For me it would have to be Butcher's Storm Front. It was the first Dresden files book and it was like a breath of fresh air to me. Before that it was Christopher Golden's Angels souls demon hearts. I have to admit that my strong church upbringing made me feel guilty for enjoying that book so much. Jeff On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:46 AM, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW! And, by that, I mean the last novel that made your head spin around. For me it was William Gibson's Neuromancer and that was published in 1984, twenty-five years ago! By-the-by, I am only interested in novel novels - do not summit graphic novels. Thanks, ~rave!
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Foundation-like
Varley is very underrated. Marian, I love all the Hyperion books but some folks don't care as much for sequels Endymion and The Rise of Endymion. I like Asimov's ideas but his writing never grabbed me. Is it the scope, characters or something else? As far a scale and scope Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence might be a good fit. It's filled huge ideas, a story that starts at the beginning and closes at the end of this universe, inscrutable alien races, a war that is universal in scope, etc. The story collection Vacuum Diagrams is a good place to start for an overview of the series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeelee_Sequence --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Marian, the wife had me 2 read this series by a guy named John Varley, the Gaea Trilogy. the books were very interesting. fantasy and scifi. a really good read. book 1 - Titan (1979) book 2 - Wizard (1980) book 3 - Demon (1984) --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Foundation-like To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:50 PM Need to think carefully over this one before I reply, Marian. It's been a long day on my end, and my stomach is growling. Early on the morrow, my word 'pon 't. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Foundation-like Date : Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:32:03 - From : marian_changling md_moor...@yahoo. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I am going to guess that she is in her thirties. I groaned when I heard that she was reading the book. Mainly because SF of that era was strong on ideas and less so with characterization. I remember loving the book but I don't know if I could read it now. Now I might sit back and gripe that there were no real female characters. I'm concerned that she might think that is what SF is like. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Marian, the Hyperion series is about the closest I can think of in comparison, in terms of scope and depth of event and characterization. Having read both, I wouldn't dis-recommend Hyperion. I would, however, suggest Foundation first. Can I be rude and inquire as to your friend's age? A few SF book recommends I've made recently have faltered because I've advised books written during my generation to people of a later one, and many of the cultural constructs are incomprehensible to them. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Foundation-like Date : Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:27:06 - From : marian_changling To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I have a friend who started Asimov's Foundation series because of the theme. Now she is faltering. I wouldn't be surprised if it is because of 1940's style of writing. Anyone know a modern book with a similar theme? Has no one taken up the mantle of psychohistory from Asimov? Wikipedia mentions a number of graphic novels and Hyperion. I never read that one; anyone know anything about it? Anyone have another suggestion? http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!?
I loved both of those as well as Lucifer's Hammer and their collaborations with Steven Barnes, The Legacy of Heorot and Beowulf's Children. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Enjoyed that book, but I think Footfall ,for some reason, got me more. Maybe it was the whole thought of space-traveling pachyderms... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:00:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!? For me, The Mote In God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Great ideas, semi-plausible scientific bases, fun read all the way through. (And, apparently, some of my former friends agree -- the four who stole each of the four copies I owned, that is.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!? Date : Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:46:14 - From : ravenadal ravena...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW! And, by that, I mean the last novel that made your head spin around. For me it was William Gibson's Neuromancer and that was published in 1984, twenty-five years ago! By-the-by, I am only interested in novel novels - do not summit graphic novels. Thanks, ~rave! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Does Superman have a black friend?
*cough*Black Lighning*cough* An easy mistake to make. LOL --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: In addition to Steel, I can think of minor characters (at the time) that have been in his books, such as Black Racer (the paralyzed man who's one of the New Gods, the avatar of Death, but only mobile when this Aspect is upon him), Black Vulcan (who seems to be more prominent in recent JL books, and has a daughter with similar powers), and, as already mentioned, Vixen. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:16:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Does Superman have a black friend? Steel is probably his most enduring friend of color. He was introduced during the Reign of the Supermen arc. This took place after Supes' death by doomsday. Several beings appeared bearing aspects of Superman's appearance/powers, and there was speculation that one of them might have been his reincarnation. This was aided by a storyline where a comatose Johnathan Kent met Clark in the spirit world, and tried to shepherd his soon away from the light of eternal rest that was beckoning him. one assumed his spirit came back into our world, but where? I was a bit disappointed that alone among the stand in heroes--the Cyborg Superman, Superboy, the Eradicator--Steel was the only one not considered to possibly be a reincarnation of Superman. He was known from the start as a separate being. Anyway, over the years, Steel has been Superman's friend, partner, fellow warrior, lieutenant, and confidant. With the possible exception of Emil Hamilton, he knows more about Kryptonian tech than anyone, helping superman upgrade the Fortress --once moving it to a pocket universe--retool his robot servants, fix his Kryptonian battle armour, etc. Steel has a young niece who's a genius, and who has likewise helped with the Kryptonian tech. A long running theme a few years back was how she upgraded the main robot helper in the Fortress to speak hip-hop slang. Little mechanized creature would say stuff like yo, Supes, that bad guy is fierce. You better bring yo' A-game, dog! Cute. - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:52:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Does Superman have a black friend? Just out of curiosity, can anyone remember a significant POC that Superman interacted with on a regular basis? Super or non. Seriously, is Metropolis just the least metrpolutan city in the world? Justin
[scifinoir2] Re: Does Superman have a black friend?
And he prefers to be called Supervolt. LOL! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: wow, can't believe I did that! You're right: Black Vulcan was the character in the Super Friends cartoon, while Black Lightning is the original. I understand there was a copyright dispute with the character's creator, which is why Vulcan was created for the 'toon. Black Vulcan has shown up on those Harvey Birdman things, where he's some sort of superstud, I believe. - Original Message - From: B. Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:28:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Superman have a black friend? *cough*Black Lighning*cough* An easy mistake to make. LOL --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: In addition to Steel, I can think of minor characters (at the time) that have been in his books, such as Black Racer (the paralyzed man who's one of the New Gods, the avatar of Death, but only mobile when this Aspect is upon him), Black Vulcan (who seems to be more prominent in recent JL books, and has a daughter with similar powers), and, as already mentioned, Vixen. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:16:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Does Superman have a black friend? Steel is probably his most enduring friend of color. He was introduced during the Reign of the Supermen arc. This took place after Supes' death by doomsday. Several beings appeared bearing aspects of Superman's appearance/powers, and there was speculation that one of them might have been his reincarnation. This was aided by a storyline where a comatose Johnathan Kent met Clark in the spirit world, and tried to shepherd his soon away from the light of eternal rest that was beckoning him. one assumed his spirit came back into our world, but where? I was a bit disappointed that alone among the stand in heroes--the Cyborg Superman, Superboy, the Eradicator--Steel was the only one not considered to possibly be a reincarnation of Superman. He was known from the start as a separate being. Anyway, over the years, Steel has been Superman's friend, partner, fellow warrior, lieutenant, and confidant. With the possible exception of Emil Hamilton, he knows more about Kryptonian tech than anyone, helping superman upgrade the Fortress --once moving it to a pocket universe--retool his robot servants, fix his Kryptonian battle armour, etc. Steel has a young niece who's a genius, and who has likewise helped with the Kryptonian tech. A long running theme a few years back was how she upgraded the main robot helper in the Fortress to speak hip-hop slang. Little mechanized creature would say stuff like yo, Supes, that bad guy is fierce. You better bring yo' A-game, dog! Cute. - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:52:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Does Superman have a black friend? Just out of curiosity, can anyone remember a significant POC that Superman interacted with on a regular basis? Super or non. Seriously, is Metropolis just the least metrpolutan city in the world? Justin
[scifinoir2] Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest
I see that the Blue community is still covering for each other. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I read the police report on smoking gun and was left with many questions. But one that stands out is this. The police office said that he asked Gates to step out of the house because he could not here over his yelling. So, could he hear him over the yelling any better outside, or was it the only way he would have been legitimately able to arrest him on the ground of making a disturbance in public? I think the whole purpose of asking him to step outside was to trick him into being legitimately arrested. From: Albert Fields [mailto:cbilmarket...@...] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:28 PM To: Keith Johnson; kalpub...@... Cc: ravena...@...; beta...@...; williamsf...@...; sonofafieldne...@...; wendellsmit...@...; valeryjea...@...; rs...@...; michael v w gordon; mmb1...@...; truthseeker...@...; logic1...@...; seriousnup...@...; imke...@...; killa...@...; fis...@...; duva...@...; dorothyh...@...; afrikanm...@...; dar...@...; tdemorse...@...; bettil...@...; jeffreypbal...@...; cinque3...@...; everything...@... Subject: Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest Keith I think you have given a good example for what happens (and not even in a drug zone but in any zone) of what has happened to many of us that have been profiled. There is no recourse for it and the biggest lie told today is YOUR PLATES WERE REPORTED.. Yeah, right. lies and alibis. albert El mundo es tuyo _ From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To: kalpub...@... Cc: ravena...@...; beta...@...; williamsf...@...; sonofafieldne...@...; wendellsmit...@...; valeryjea...@...; rs...@...; michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@...; mmb1...@...; truthseeker...@...; logic1...@...; seriousnup...@...; imke...@...; killa...@...; fis...@...; duva...@...; dorothyh...@...; afrikanm...@...; dar...@...; tdemorse...@...; bettil...@...; jeffreypbal...@...; cinque3...@...; everything...@...; cbilmarket...@... Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:47:33 AM Subject: Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest Like my wife said today, sometimes the brotherhood of the badge supercedes even race. A couple of my worst encounters with law enforcement have come at the hands of black officers. And no: I'm not saying all cops are bad. Far from it. I just know that some have the attitude of we're the law, you do what we say and shut up. Two years ago, while in Dallas visiting family, my wife and I were pulled over by a cop while returning to her mom's with a carload of burgers and shakes for the family. It was a Friday night, and I was extremely curious why we were pulled over. We were driving through a well-known drug dealing corridor, but here we were, a man and woman, driving a rented Toyota Corolla--hardly the picture of criminals. I was extremely upset and asked the officer why he pulled me officer. The officer (who was white), refused to answer, just giving me the rote license and registration, please. I started complaining about how my wife and I could possibly fit any profile, how I could (literally) see suspicious characters doing their deals across the street while i was being accosted, and how I could see white folk driving into the area to buy drugs, but not be harassed. I was very upset, didn't raise my voice, but voiced my anger. I kept going until seeing his partner walk up to my wife's side of the car, with his hand on his gun. He was black, by the way. I toned it then, but was still upset. Once done, the white cop thanked me and then said that the plates on our rental had been reported as belonging to a stolen car, but they confirmed the error.. I did ask, How would you have known there was even such a report unless you ran my plates? and I go back to asking, why did you feel a need to run my plates in the first place? He just ignored me, told us to have a nice, safe evening, and drove off. My point here is threefold. One, i feel that simply because I was a black man in that area, they decided to run my plates. Despite the fact I had a woman in the car and wasn't acting suspiciously, that was enough for them. So racial profiling, welcome. Two, there was a black cop involved, and he was the one with his hand on a gun--on my wife's side of the car. So much for the racial solidarity. And third, to his credit, the white cop ignored my anger. He could have said shut up, could have threatened to take me in, could have made me get out of my car and sit in his (a racist white Austin cop did that to me once). But no, he let me rant, stayed cool and professional, and then let me go. i did *not* like what he did to me, but i will at least acknowledge that he let me express my anger without making an issue of that. I took that as being equal
[scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth
The thing that I loved most about the miniseries was that they didn't pull any punches and Captain Jack was shown to be all too fallible. Jack made an arrogant mistake that cost him dearly and the final sacrifice was even more devastating. I'm glad they didn't go with a deus ex machina ending that would have cheapened what came before. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I am trying to write this without giving away anything, but I have to admit that I was moved by this mini-series. It is thought provoking and intense. After hearing the director's thoughts behind this mini-series it really brings up a lot of issues that are rarely touched on by the media. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth
Really? Just buying a gun safe or locks weren't enough? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobin...@... wrote: S funny you say that because it DID have me thinking. I had to dispose of all fire arms to pass my home study last year (my daughter's adopted), but hadn't given it a second thought...until about half way through Ep. 1 Monday night. Excellent show. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Based on the commercials, if you see that every kid in the world is being used as a conduit by aliens. Wouldn't you after you changed your underwear go and buy a gun or five? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Daryle Lockhart daryle@ wrote: DVR'ed it. Last night was Moon party night. No TV. Tonight? DEFINITELY watching. On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:26 PM, B. Smith wrote: Please tell me I'm not the only one watching this. The first part was the most pleasing hour and 15 minutes of sci-fi I've watched in a long time. I can't say much without getting into spoiler territory but in the first hour alone we meet some of Captain Jack's family, recruit new members, see the government try to keep a lid on the events with extreme pedjudice and get an eerie message from beyond. Wow! -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth
I hope she ends up in the poison cube with the 456. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: i am agreeing with everyone on this one. i just finished day 3 (thank u dvron a side note - i think the people who created dvr/tivo should be given a Nobel Prize! but that is a different story) and i think it was absolutely brilliant! capt. jack with a daughter and a grandson? who would have thunk it? all i can say is, and please don't take it the wrong way, but i hope lie all outside that this female soldier get her azz killed. with extreme prejudice! how do u take a mans child and grandchild and think that there will be no reprecussions? Fate. p.s. i hope that this saturday's Dr. Who is as well writen. --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood: Children of Earth To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 7:36 PM Nope, but watched it all already. It was the best scifi writing I've seen in ages, but also the most...emotionally impacting. That's all I'm gonna say without being spoilery. It was BRILLIANT. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM, B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com wrote: Please tell me I'm not the only one watching this. The first part was the most pleasing hour and 15 minutes of sci-fi I've watched in a long time. I can't say much without getting into spoiler territory but in the first hour alone we meet some of Captain Jack's family, recruit new members, see the government try to keep a lid on the events with extreme pedjudice and get an eerie message from beyond. Wow! - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / Individual Email | Traditional http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:scifinoir2-digest@ yahoogroups. com mailto:scifinoir2-fullfeat u...@yahoogroups .com scifinoir2-unsubscr i...@yahoogroups. com http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of?
I had blotted that one from my mind. The sad thing is that a faithful anime adaptation would be a great medium to tell those stories. They have all the elements that work in most big scale sci-fi anime. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Another toss in the hat -- Doc Smith's Lensman novels. At best, they were camped up in an anime feature. At worst... I'll be kind and not force any of you to contemplate the horror. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of? Date : Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:31:57 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Never read the book, but I'll take your word on that. There's a goldmine of great scifi that was written between 1950s-80s unfortunately a lot of them ended up becoming cash machines. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Milton Davis wrote: Logan's Run. --- On *Wed, 7/22/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@...* wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 10:12 PM It was horrible ! !!! -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com[mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of angelababycat Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:30 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of? I agree with Earthsea. I bought it on DVD and couldn't even get through it. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, marian_changling wrote: Probably the Earthsea book that Ursula Le Guin had a fit about. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Mr. Worf wrote: What do you think? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of?
Good call on Logan's Run. There wasa ton of material in the novel that they ignored. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Never read the book, but I'll take your word on that. There's a goldmine of great scifi that was written between 1950s-80s unfortunately a lot of them ended up becoming cash machines. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Milton Davis mv_media_...@...wrote: Logan's Run. --- On *Wed, 7/22/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@...* wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 10:12 PM It was horrible ! !!! -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc459.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com[mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc459.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups..com] On Behalf Of angelababycat Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:30 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc459.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of? I agree with Earthsea. I bought it on DVD and couldn't even get through it. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc459.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, marian_changling md_moore42@ ... wrote: Probably the Earthsea book that Ursula Le Guin had a fit about. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc459.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: What do you think? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of?
Wanted falls into this category as well. Except for the names of a couple of characters and minor plot element or two it's nothing like the original. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Right off the top, Mr Worf, Jumper comes to mind. I saw about half of it (through various illicit means), and it's not even close to the book, save for the premise of teleportation. And the less I say of Little Anny's performance, the better... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] topic: What is the worst book to movie adaptation that you know of? Date : Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:11:47 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Torchwood: Children of Earth
Please tell me I'm not the only one watching this. The first part was the most pleasing hour and 15 minutes of sci-fi I've watched in a long time. I can't say much without getting into spoiler territory but in the first hour alone we meet some of Captain Jack's family, recruit new members, see the government try to keep a lid on the events with extreme pedjudice and get an eerie message from beyond. Wow!
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Anyone going to Comic Con in San Diego?
I thought it happened in Reno when you shot that guy just to watch him die. Just think, you could pitch it as the greatest reality show ever. It would be like a real life Emperor of the North. Dodging railroad bulls, hobo knifefights, all the beans you ever wanted to eat, etc. It would be epic. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Reece, I can't ride the rails that way anymore. Ever since that incident in Kansas, I'm kind of a marked man in hobo circles... Martin (if they'd only left my blankie alone...) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Anyone going to Comic Con in San Diego? Date : Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:25:55 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You can, but it's hard to close the boxcar doors, and it's very windy if they're open... _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:29 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Anyone going to Comic Con in San Diego? If I can get there on -- $31.99. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Anyone going to Comic Con in San Diego? Date : Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Wanna hear Reginald Hudlin's excuse for Black Panther http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: It's Buffy's Fault That Vampires Are Weak Now
Some of them would like that...alot. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Sorry, that last launched incomplete. Death by dull stake? Martin (would suggest death by dull silver butter knife, but not certain if it would work as intended) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: It's Buffy's Fault That Vampires Are Weak Now Date : Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:23:17 - From : votomguy votom...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com And what's with all the pedo vampires. I'm sorry but you're hundreds of years old what do you see in an 18/19/20 yr old at that friggin age. Heck, I'm 31 and I won't look at a woman younger than 24. DEATH TO THE PEDOVAMPS!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad
He's somewhere beteen Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas. I heard his defense of the racist comments from the newly elected president of the Young Republicans and it was sickening. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, votomguy votom...@... wrote: Colin Powell he is not. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, L Freeman msles59130@ wrote: Sigh. Oh, Michael, what can we even say about you? But remember all, even though it may SEEM like he is a monumental moron, this is all a part of some strategy that we can't yet comprehend. It is all just a part of his plan. --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: ' Lockhart, Daryle ' daryle@, afrikanmind@, 'Albert Fields' cbilmarketing@, bettillee@, CINQUE cinque3000@, 'Cleo' cleo.wadley@, dorothyhamm@, duvalny@, fisren@, 'GTW' GWashin891@, 'Jeffrey Ballou' jeffreypballou@, 'Kai Pettaway' killakai@, kalpubinc@, keithbjohnson@, 'Kera' imkeedy@, kimberly@, 'Leroy Hughes' seriousnupe87@, 'Logic' logic1914@, 'Martin Baxter' Truthseeker013@, 'Marvalous' mmb1908@, 'Michael Gordon' gordonm@, michael.v.w.gordon@, 'ravenadal' ravenadal@, rsjw3@, 'Seku Brathwaite' everythingist@, 'Valery Jean' valeryjean77@, 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' wendellsmithis@, 'Whitney J Evans' sonofafieldnegro@, williamsfred@, 'Zanfordino Anthony' betaque@ Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:57 PM Sadly this is NOT satire The Young Republicans convention was held in Indianapolis last weekend and their election of a racist, middle-aged woman as President isn't the only controversial item to come out of the GOP gathering. Local Republican blog Hoosier Access was able to get RNC Chairman Michael Steele to sit down with a group of bloggers and they taped the conversation. The old gaffe-o-matic (or as I like to call him, the Republican Joe Biden!) answers a question from a gay person of color in this clip about the GOP's diversity outreach. Yes, that's right. To lure African-Americans into the GOP, Steele is offering fried chicken and potato salad. Since he mentions Republicans should also be reaching out to the LGBT community, I wonder what stereotype he's going to offer us? Buttplugs and Birkenstocks? See the video http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ bil-browning/ steele-gop- woos-blacks- wi_b_231534. html
[scifinoir2] Re: Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad
That seems so familiarlike the mess a certain president left behind after his 8 year reign of terror. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Part of the brainwashing/hype platform that the republicans have been winning on is that they believe (or say they believe) that the government can run itself without having an intelligent person in charge sort of an every man approach to government. This was successful for many years and appealed to many people. The problem is that without a true leader at the helm we can find ourselves in a hotmess. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:42 AM, votomguy votom...@... wrote: I was done with the republican party when they elect a black guy as the head of the RNC and then gets called out as not being the head of the republican party. gee i thought that's what the chair of the RNC was. and then you still want me to believe that sarah sho me the money palin is more qualified than a harvard grad. I consider myself to be a republican, but I followed Powell's lead and jumped ship too. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: He's somewhere beteen Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas. I heard his defense of the racist comments from the newly elected president of the Young Republicans and it was sickening. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, votomguy votomguy@ wrote: Colin Powell he is not. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, L Freeman msles59130@ wrote: Sigh. Oh, Michael, what can we even say about you? But remember all, even though it may SEEM like he is a monumental moron, this is all a part of some strategy that we can't yet comprehend. It is all just a part of his plan. --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: ' Lockhart, Daryle ' daryle@, afrikanmind@, 'Albert Fields' cbilmarketing@, bettillee@, CINQUE cinque3000@, 'Cleo' cleo.wadley@, dorothyhamm@, duvalny@, fisren@, 'GTW' GWashin891@, 'Jeffrey Ballou' jeffreypballou@, 'Kai Pettaway' killakai@, kalpubinc@, keithbjohnson@, 'Kera' imkeedy@, kimberly@, 'Leroy Hughes' seriousnupe87@, 'Logic' logic1914@, 'Martin Baxter' Truthseeker013@, 'Marvalous' mmb1908@, 'Michael Gordon' gordonm@, michael.v.w.gordon@, 'ravenadal' ravenadal@, rsjw3@, 'Seku Brathwaite' everythingist@, 'Valery Jean' valeryjean77@, 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' wendellsmithis@, 'Whitney J Evans' sonofafieldnegro@, williamsfred@, 'Zanfordino Anthony' betaque@ Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:57 PM Sadly this is NOT satire The Young Republicans convention was held in Indianapolis last weekend and their election of a racist, middle-aged woman as President isn't the only controversial item to come out of the GOP gathering. Local Republican blog Hoosier Access was able to get RNC Chairman Michael Steele to sit down with a group of bloggers and they taped the conversation. The old gaffe-o-matic (or as I like to call him, the Republican Joe Biden!) answers a question from a gay person of color in this clip about the GOP's diversity outreach. Yes, that's right. To lure African-Americans into the GOP, Steele is offering fried chicken and potato salad. Since he mentions Republicans should also be reaching out to the LGBT community, I wonder what stereotype he's going to offer us? Buttplugs and Birkenstocks? See the video http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ bil-browning/ steele-gop- woos-blacks- wi_b_231534. html Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: the last man on earth
They were stronger than normal humans but had many of the traditional vampire weakness like the aversion to garlic, were helpless during the day, avoided mirrors, had an aversion to crosses and could be killed by sunlight or a wooden stake. The living vamps' humanity returned to them after a period of madness. The dead vamps remained bestial and behaved like traditional vampires. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Thank you for the info! Did the book explain the effects of the vampire disease? Did they have any powers? Can they reproduce? Just curious how much of a difference the book versus the movies are. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:24 AM, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: The female vampire gives him poison so he can commit suicide instead of being executed. He looks out and sees the terrified faces of all the living vampires and realizes that in this world the vampires are the norm and that he is the thing that goes bump in the night(or day in their case). He takes the poison and muses that now he is the legend. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Ok that makes much more sense. They could have used his blood to create a vaccine but that seemed to be the not a goal. What was the ending in the book? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: He represented the last links to the old world and he was their boogeyman. The new living vampires retained their intellect unlike the corpses reanimated by the disease. He had unknowingly been killing both kinds of vampires. So he ends up being captured and killed by the new vampires for his crimes. Of the three film versions the Vincent Price version was closest to the original story. The ending is slightly different in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlrouge@ wrote: *Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones?* *--Lavender* *From:* Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? *People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.* ** -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: the last man on earth
I forgot that the living vamps could endure sunlight for short periods of time and appeared to be fully human. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: They were stronger than normal humans but had many of the traditional vampire weakness like the aversion to garlic, were helpless during the day, avoided mirrors, had an aversion to crosses and could be killed by sunlight or a wooden stake. The living vamps' humanity returned to them after a period of madness. The dead vamps remained bestial and behaved like traditional vampires. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Thank you for the info! Did the book explain the effects of the vampire disease? Did they have any powers? Can they reproduce? Just curious how much of a difference the book versus the movies are. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:24 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: The female vampire gives him poison so he can commit suicide instead of being executed. He looks out and sees the terrified faces of all the living vampires and realizes that in this world the vampires are the norm and that he is the thing that goes bump in the night(or day in their case). He takes the poison and muses that now he is the legend. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Ok that makes much more sense. They could have used his blood to create a vaccine but that seemed to be the not a goal. What was the ending in the book? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: He represented the last links to the old world and he was their boogeyman. The new living vampires retained their intellect unlike the corpses reanimated by the disease. He had unknowingly been killing both kinds of vampires. So he ends up being captured and killed by the new vampires for his crimes. Of the three film versions the Vincent Price version was closest to the original story. The ending is slightly different in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlrouge@ wrote: *Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones?* *--Lavender* *From:* Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? *People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.* ** -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: the last man on earth
The female vampire gives him poison so he can commit suicide instead of being executed. He looks out and sees the terrified faces of all the living vampires and realizes that in this world the vampires are the norm and that he is the thing that goes bump in the night(or day in their case). He takes the poison and muses that now he is the legend. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Ok that makes much more sense. They could have used his blood to create a vaccine but that seemed to be the not a goal. What was the ending in the book? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: He represented the last links to the old world and he was their boogeyman. The new living vampires retained their intellect unlike the corpses reanimated by the disease. He had unknowingly been killing both kinds of vampires. So he ends up being captured and killed by the new vampires for his crimes. Of the three film versions the Vincent Price version was closest to the original story. The ending is slightly different in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlrouge@ wrote: *Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones?* *--Lavender* *From:* Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? *People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.* ** -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
Amen to that. The comments about Malia Obama at the Free Republic and the Young Republican controversy are just the tip of the iceberg. There a segment of the Republican party that has devolved into hate filled racial arsonists and unfortunately they are the inmates that seem to be running the asylum. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: So I guess folks thought racism would end on Jan 20? This is mild compared to stuff I read on non-political message boards, t include ESPN and most newspapers. --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 5:36 PM Come on, Amy. EVERY change we can believe in? OBUSHa? There are a lot of unemployed people getting an additional $25 a week who probably don't feel very betrayed. There are a lot of military personnel who feel a lot better about having someone trying to get them OUT of a situation instead of finding ways to give more money to civilian contractors. The man came into office and faced a MOUNTAIN of problems. A mountain that took 8 years to build. He's dealing with them politically, surrounded by people who want him to fail. Can the man have a year before we vote no confidence? On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Amy Harlib wrote: ahar...@earthlink. net Much as I disagree with The President's betrayals of every change we can believe in - becoming President 'Obusha' essentially, this kind of racist insanity has got to stop. We need a whole lot of educating, starting at very young ages. I voted for Cynthia McKinney, Amy Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook .com/ext/ share.php? sid=101100539206h=Wq46xu=HJmBoref=nf No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2233 - Release Date: 07/12/09 08:20:00
[scifinoir2] Re: Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
I laughed so damned hard when the old lady feed Brooks sheep testicles and his reaction. It's no wonder he was still stuck on Earth. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: First Laugh of the Morn Award to you, Keith, for bringing back those good memories! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:09:54 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com And Deacon Jones is the guy who introduces you to your new life. The white dude who's newly resurrected is given a videotape of Jones, who all but explodes from the TV in his fervor. He gives the hapless dude the scoop on his new life, and then, leaning even further into the camera, Jones says And one more thing--Nooo sex! You see, there are all these evil undead/zombie like people called Moorlocks (I think) who look like humans most of the time. The newly resurrected do-gooders have a lease on life that's odd: they can't commit anything considered a mortal sin, or they're toast. Well, it seems that having sex with a Moorlock is a mortal sin, and, since you can't tell them from humans, it's better to simply avoid the whole affair rather than risk that. It was really good, quirky, fun show, with great characters. Think Reaper with a bit more humor and danger. Gone too soon. Brooks was perfect for his role, his deep, almost pained way of speaking lending itself to the dry humour of the show. I remember one show when he was talking to his partner about the need to be celibate and how hard it was. He reminisced about this one Sister he was really tempted by. The description: She was a backup singer with Gap Band, and man could she burn some pork chops in the kitchen! I still roll with laughter thinking of that line. You really have to hear it to experience the full effect. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:18:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites It had Richard Brooks of Law amp; Order and Clayton Rohner playing two formerly dead men who are resurrected by the forces of Good to return demons to Hell. They have no powers and only magical gizmos to do so, while the demons are fully powered. Oh -- and they can't have any contact with people in their past lives. And no sex. 8-O -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:59:00 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: the last man on earth
He represented the last links to the old world and he was their boogeyman. The new living vampires retained their intellect unlike the corpses reanimated by the disease. He had unknowingly been killing both kinds of vampires. So he ends up being captured and killed by the new vampires for his crimes. Of the three film versions the Vincent Price version was closest to the original story. The ending is slightly different in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlro...@... wrote: *Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones?* *--Lavender* *From:* Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? *People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.* ** -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade
I guess the continued usage owes a lot to Lovecraft's work. He was an enormous talent but a repellent human being. Has anyone read Robert W. Chambers The King In Yellow? Chambers was one of Lovecraft's big influences and Chambers King In Yellow mythos became part of Lovecraft's Chthulhu mythos. Chamber's work centers around a cursed play that when read reveals hidden horrible truths and brings you to the attention of entities that at the very least drive you insane. If the play was performed it could summon the titular character and that by all accounts is not a good thing. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ditto - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:59:07 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Keith, I don't find those words antiquated either. Many of them find their ways into my stories, and some even into my everyday conversations. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Date : Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:32:17 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Interesting. Like Howard, another guy who clung to his mother and was fearful and reclusive. I guess that's where the terror and primal fear of his tales (so I've heard, never having read them) originates. Stephen King, I recall, was said to be a very scary child. His friends used to enjoy terrifying him with ghost stories. I did find this passage from the entry interesting: His prose is somewhat antiquarian . Often he employed archaic vocabulary or spelling which had already by his time been replaced by contemporary coinages; examples including Esquimau , and Comanchian. He was given to heavy use of an esoteric lexicon including such words as eldritch , rugose , noisome , squamous , ichor , and cyclopean , and of attempts to transcribe dialect speech which have been criticized as clumsy, imprecise, and condescending. His works also featured British English (he was an admitted Anglophile ), and he sometimes made use of anachronistic spellings, such as compleat (for complete), shew (show), lanthorn (lantern), and phantasy (fantasy; also appearing as phantastic). Interesting because just about all of those words are fairly normal to me, especially words like shew, which are familiar to me from years of reading the King James Bible. And I wouldn't call eldritch, noisome, or ichor esoteric or antiquated at all, especially in the realms of scifi/fantasy/horror. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:53:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Keith, this might provide answers for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:38:44 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I only know of Lovecraft through references in other works (such as, surprisingly, The Real Ghostbusters cartoon series), and, ironically, through a dude I knew back in middle school who loved him, and who was also the grandson of a Klansman. What's up with his racist views? - Original Message - From: B. Smith To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:57:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Lovecraft's racism have permanently soured me on his work. I know del Toro will knock it out of the park but it's a bittersweet feeling. Drood is an interesting novel but I couldn't plow through it. Dan Simmons has caught a case of the bloat. And the crazy but that's a whole different story. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: He's doing Lovecraft... (breaks out into the HappyHappyJoyJoy Dance) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Date : Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:26:06 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Del Toro co-writes vampire movie; wants to film Drood. (Check out the link for the pictures) http://oluik.notlong.com Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro decade: 'The Hobbit' director is just getting started One of the gentle souls in the movie business is Guillermo del Toro, and I always look forward to my interviews with him. This is a longer version of my latest story
[scifinoir2] Re: Warehouse 13 on Now
That's exactly why she needed more screentime. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Funny. She was okay, but not enough by herself to keep me watching. About one and a half hours in, my wife turned to me and said Is this any good? It seems to be a bit slow. I had to admit it still hadn't engaged me. Something about the plotting and pacing seemed lackluster and plodding. The leads were both a bit of a blank to me: their personalities just didn't shine brightly enough to make up for the cliched storyline of the incredibly-talented-cops/agents/detectives-who-are-recruited-for-a-top-secret-job. The flow was oddly paced, with moments that seemed to want to make the show lighthearted (like the completely illogical pulley system the archivist used to go deep into the belly of the warehouse, or the cute-but-silly idea of using old tech for their weaponry and communications), then moments that tried to be really dramatic. I'm loathe to say this, but there wasn't enough action to offset the poor plot (you know I try to always defend a good scifi story that isn't relying solely on FX and action. By the climax, I wasn't engaged, amused, full of suspense, worried, or anything. It seemed to me like a show patched poorly together from elements from other shows. It reminds me in some ways of X-Files (man and woman team chasing dangerous mysteries in the shadows) but with leads not as good, and writing not as sharp...put me in mind of that series Friday the 13th (collecting items of power that need to be locked up), but not as macabre or full of horror elementshad little cutesy bits with gadgets and jokes and quirky characters a la Level 9, Reaper, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and even Eureka, but not as much fun as any of those, and unsure about whether to commit to the lighthearted angle in the first place. I also had time to notice the lack of a significant soundtrack to heighten the scenes. That's not a necessity by any means, as a soundtrack should enhance, not create, the mood, but here it was so weak I sorely felt the lack of a good score. Overall it was nearly as lacking to me as that series Seven Days, which just didn't pull together for me. Maybe it was just me being sleepy and tired, but honestly, I find Noah Wylie and Bob Newhart in those Librarian TV movies more fun. I'll give it another go, and I'll support it for as long as its on, unless it turns to truly awful. - Original Message - From: B. Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:29:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Warehouse 13 on Now I'll watch this show for it's full run if they give Genelle Williams (the innkeeper) gets more screentime. Homina, homina, homina!!! The first ep wasn't bad either. LOL! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Siffy aired it from time to time last year, if memory serves. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:07:08 + From : efhaynes@ To : SciFiNoir2 mailing list scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I loved G vs. E. The cable channel Chiller used to show it. That's how I found out about it. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:03:53 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Hope you don't mind me weighing in here, Keith, to answer this for Fate. G vs E (aka Good vs Evil) was a USA series, about -- why don't I let IMdb do the explaining instead? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195462/ -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Keith, think i missed that one. what was G v E? --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:37 PM Same here. I really enjoyed the Dresden Files. I really enjoyed G vs. E too, more's the pity. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:22:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Keith I am watching it right now. on regular tv and not my dvr. sidebar: i really like the Dresden Files. Fate. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now
[scifinoir2] Re: Warehouse 13 on Now
I'll watch this show for it's full run if they give Genelle Williams (the innkeeper) gets more screentime. Homina, homina, homina!!! The first ep wasn't bad either. LOL! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Siffy aired it from time to time last year, if memory serves. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:07:08 + From : efhay...@... To : SciFiNoir2 mailing list scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I loved G vs. E. The cable channel Chiller used to show it. That's how I found out about it. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:03:53 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Hope you don't mind me weighing in here, Keith, to answer this for Fate. G vs E (aka Good vs Evil) was a USA series, about -- why don't I let IMdb do the explaining instead? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195462/ -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Keith, think i missed that one. what was G v E? --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:37 PM Same here. I really enjoyed the Dresden Files. I really enjoyed G vs. E too, more's the pity. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:22:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Keith I am watching it right now. on regular tv and not my dvr. sidebar: i really like the Dresden Files. Fate. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:14 PM Anyone watching Warehouse 13 on the--wait for it, Martin--all new SyFy? I'm just into the first ten minutes, so no way i can make a judgement, but wondered if anyone heard any early buzz on the show? I do recognize a couple of the actors. The lead actress played Jeremiah's traitorous lover on the show of the same name. And the mad scientist guy is memorable as Fajah (sp?), in the TNG ep about a rich dude who collects things, and tries to add Data to his collection. As always with Sci--er, SyFy, I'm divided. If the show sucks, it's another sorry show commissioned by the network. If it's good--and I must admit they've shown some good stuff here and there over the years--I fear it'll be canceled to soon. And when I see a show like this, I must confess it makes me wonder why the likes of Level 9, The Dresden Files, and others of this type were canceled. Throw in shows on other stations, like The Chronicle, John Doe, Jake 2.0, and G vs. E, and you wonder what this show's chances are. Maybe it'll catch on like Eureka? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195462/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Warehouse 13 on Now
Like that had a chance of happening. The shot of her headed up the stairs and then coyly looking backis it getting hot in here? I'll stop now. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Dangit! Martin (really hoping that she'd gone unnoticed my the male masses) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com with you on this one B. the inn keeper was BANGING! i do hope that they give her more screen time. the premier ep was not that bad. i enjoyed how they built a nice little back story. i also enjoyed how CCH wanted them 2 WANT 2 be there. there is a lot of possibilities for the series. let's see how it goes. now i am waiting on EuREKA friday. Fate. --- On Wed, 7/8/09, B. Smith wrote: From: B. Smith Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Warehouse 13 on Now To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:29 AM I'll watch this show for it's full run if they give Genelle Williams (the innkeeper) gets more screentime. Homina, homina, homina!!! The first ep wasn't bad either. LOL! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Siffy aired it from time to time last year, if memory serves. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:07:08 + From : efhaynes@ To : SciFiNoir2 mailing list I loved G vs. E. The cable channel Chiller used to show it. That's how I found out about it. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:03:53 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Hope you don't mind me weighing in here, Keith, to answer this for Fate. G vs E (aka Good vs Evil) was a USA series, about -- why don't I let IMdb do the explaining instead? http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0195462/ -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Keith, think i missed that one. what was G v E? --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:37 PM Same here. I really enjoyed the Dresden Files. I really enjoyed G vs. E too, more's the pity. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:22:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Keith I am watching it right now. on regular tv and not my dvr. sidebar: i really like the Dresden Files. Fate. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:14 PM Anyone watching Warehouse 13 on the--wait for it, Martin--all new SyFy? I'm just into the first ten minutes, so no way i can make a judgement, but wondered if anyone heard any early buzz on the show? I do recognize a couple of the actors. The lead actress played Jeremiah's traitorous lover on the show of the same name. And the mad scientist guy is memorable as Fajah (sp?), in the TNG ep about a rich dude who collects things, and tries to add Data to his collection. As always with Sci--er, SyFy, I'm divided. If the show sucks, it's another sorry show commissioned by the network. If it's good--and I must admit they've shown some good stuff here and there over the years--I fear it'll be canceled to soon. And when I see a show like this, I must confess it makes me wonder why the likes of Level 9, The Dresden Files, and others of this type were canceled. Throw in shows on other stations, like The Chronicle, John Doe, Jake 2.0, and G vs. E, and you wonder what this show's chances are. Maybe it'll catch on like Eureka
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] How Fights Get Started
These are just awesome. I quit reading to take an oxygen break. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (LNAO so loudly as to wake the neighbors two blocks away) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] How Fights Get Started Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... To : Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com HOW FIGHTS GET STARTED One year, a man decided to buy his mother-in-law a cemetery plot as a Christmas gift. The next year, he didn't buy her a gift. When she asked him why, he replied, Well, you still haven't used the gift I bought you last year! And that's how the fight started. * * * * * * ** My wife walked into the den amp; asked, What's on the TV? I replied, Dust. And that's how the fight started. * * * * * * ** A woman is standing nude, looking in the bedroom mirror... She is not happy with what she sees and says to her husband, 'I feel horrible, I look old, fat and ugly. I really need you to pay me a compliment.' The husband replies, 'Your eyesight is damn near perfect.' And that's how the fight started. * * * * * * ** My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary. She said, 'I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 200 in about 3 seconds. I bought her a scale. And that's how the fight started. * * * * * * ** I asked my wife, 'Where do you want to go for our anniversary?' It warmed my heart to see her face melt in sweet appreciation. 'Somewhere I haven't been in a long time!' she said. So I suggested, 'How about the kitchen?' And that's when the fight started * * * * * * ** My wife and I are watching Who Wants To Be A Millionaire while we were in bed, I turned to her and said, 'Do you want to have sex?' 'No,' she answered. I then said, 'Is that your final answer?' She didn't even look at me this time, simply saying 'Yes.' So I said, 'Then I'd like to phone a friend.' And that's when the fight started * * * * * * ** I tried to talk my wife into buying a case of Miller Light for $14.95. Instead, she bought a jar of cold cream for $7.95. I told her the beer would make her look better at night than the cold cream. And that's when the fight started. * * * * * * ** My wife and I were sitting at a table at my high school reunion, and she kept staring at a drunken guy swigging his drink as he sat alone at a nearby table. I asked my wife, 'Do you know him?' 'Yes,' She sighed, 'He's my old boyfriend. I understand he took to drinking right after we split up those many years ago, and I hear he hasn't been sober since. 'My God!' I said. 'Who would think a person could go on celebrating that long?' And that's when the fight started. * * * * * * I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get s stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it. He was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, 'I AM NOT HAPPY!!!' So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well, then which one are you?' And that's when the fight started. * * * * * * ** I took my wife to a restaurant. The waiter, for some reason, took my order first. 'I'll have the strip steak medium rare, please.' He said, 'Aren't you worried about the mad cow?' 'Nah, she can order for herself.' And that's when the fight started. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade
Lovecraft's racism have permanently soured me on his work. I know del Toro will knock it out of the park but it's a bittersweet feeling. Drood is an interesting novel but I couldn't plow through it. Dan Simmons has caught a case of the bloat. And the crazy but that's a whole different story. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: He's doing Lovecraft... (breaks out into the HappyHappyJoyJoy Dance) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade Date : Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:26:06 - From : ravenadal ravena...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Del Toro co-writes vampire movie; wants to film Drood. (Check out the link for the pictures) http://oluik.notlong.com Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro decade: 'The Hobbit' director is just getting started One of the gentle souls in the movie business is Guillermo del Toro, and I always look forward to my interviews with him. This is a longer version of my latest story on Del Toro, which is scheduled to run Thursday on the cover of the Los Angeles Times Calender section. On the far side of the globe, in New Zealand, filmmaker Guillermo del Toro is now in his seventh month of labor on The Hobbit, a $300-million epic that will be told over two films in 2011 and 2012. But you can also find the Guadalajara native on the shelf of your local bookstore with his just-released debut novel, The Strain, the opening installment of a vampire trilogy he already has mapped out. That's only the beginning. The 44-year-old Del Toro, who was nominated for an Oscar for the dark fairy tale Pan's Labyrinth and showed his crowd-pleasing sensibilities with the Hellboy films, also has plans to reanimate some musty and monstrous literary classics. He plans to make a Frankenstein film as well as an adaptation of H.P. Lovecraft's epic At the Mountains of Madness, a project he breathlessly refers to as my obsession. He would seem to be a full plate but, interviewed by phone recently, he chuckled and added another project to the pile: I think after `The Hobbit,' my next project may actually turn out to be `Drood,' he said, referring to the 2008 novel by Dan Simmons that presents Charles Dickens at the center of an occult mystery in 1860s Victorian London. Those three post-Hobbit projects are all for Universal, which also has hopes that Del Toro will continue his library-card approach to filmmaking by taking on Slaughterhouse-Five, Kurt Vonnegut's surreal antiwar tale of time travel. If you're keeping track, that would have Del Toro tied up well past 2015 and perhaps into 2017. He also is flirting with several other projects (Pinocchio, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and a third Hellboy film have been mentioned at various times) but perhaps only as a producer, as with the acclaimed 2007 Spanish ghost story, The Orphanage. He also wants to write more novels and to join in the increasingly popular quest to discover the land of interactive 21st century storytelling, which lies somewhere between Hollywood films and video games as we know them today. It's a dizzying career plan for the father of two (his wife and daughters have moved to New Zealand for The Hobbit), but in conversation, it's clear the cheerful storyteller is motivated by his humble, lifelong passion for genre entertainment  he wants to visit the worlds of Tolkien and Shelley, not take them over. I love what I do and I feel honored to do it, quite honestly, Del Toro said. Right now, no venture has him more enthused than The Strain, the 401-page novel that was co-written with Chuck Hogan and released in hardcover this month by William Morrow. The book has gotten generally good reviews (and peer blurbs, too, with novelist Clive Cussler gushing that it soars with spellbinding intrigue) and fulfills the earliest ambition of Del Toro. As a boy in Mexico, he dreamed of being an author long before filmmaking captured his heart. He already has found one major benefit of being a novelist  the absence of Hollywood machinations. I have written or co-written 15 screenplays and I have only seven movies, said Del Toro. I find it frustrating when you write a screenplay and it lives, but you don't get it produced  which is a lottery  it exists in a limbo that does not allow it to become public. A filmmaker will never be known by the movies he left in the drawer. Unlike a musician, a painter or a poet, nobody is going to open a box after I'm gone and say, `Oh, look, another great movie that he didn't make.' The Strain presents an unsettling tale of a vampiric virus on the loose in New York City. It was about four years ago that the story started taking shape in Del Toro's imagination and his inspiration was a surprising one. I was watching `The Wire' on cable and I was addicted to
[scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale
Most of those SyFy originals are independent movies that went direct to dvd or had a very limited theatrical release. SyFy buys the rights and gives them airtime. Most of the folks that produce them love the system because it gives them exposure and allows them to finance their next project. I don't think Sci-Fi produces very much of their movie content in house anymore. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: Haha, yeah that SF fan therapy is quite lucrative! Let's also not forget the many Sci-Fi Originals that are made with NBC/GE Money that probably never make their money back in advertising, hence they are shown a billion times. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Great points made there, Mr Worf. And those two WotW movies are making money. For therapists treating severely depressed SF fans, that is. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 04:42:38 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys- Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?
Is anyone going to the movies, watching the Twilight Zone marathon or doing anything else fun or exciting this weekend? I plan to cook a few brontosaurus burgers and finally watch the Blade Runner special edition when it gets too hot outside. My wife has never seen the movie so I'm torn on whether to show her the international version(my favorite) or the Final Cut with the remastered special effects.
[scifinoir2] Re: Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?
C'mon George, I know you'll be watching the Tranformers for the 4th time. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: I may catch a few flicks I missed on their original run. --- On Thu, 7/2/09, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: From: B. Smith daikaij...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:07 AM Is anyone going to the movies, watching the Twilight Zone marathon or doing anything else fun or exciting this weekend? I plan to cook a few brontosaurus burgers and finally watch the Blade Runner special edition when it gets too hot outside. My wife has never seen the movie so I'm torn on whether to show her the international version(my favorite) or the Final Cut with the remastered special effects.
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?
Always a good Plan B. I just finished A. Lee Martinez's Monster(awesome Gaimanesque fun) and I have Warren Fahy's Fragment in addition to some other things in the to be read pile. I might finally get to watch Let The Right One In in addition to Blade Runner. I finally watched Caprica the other night and managed to sit through 3 minutes of The Spirit before I gave up. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: I'd hoped finally to be able to get to the movies to see Up and The Hangover, but a crimp in my financial outlook has come up, and I need to tighten my belt. Odds are, SF for me will be TZ and the stack of unread books I have on hand. :-( -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans? Date : Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:07:21 - From : B. Smith daikaij...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Is anyone going to the movies, watching the Twilight Zone marathon or doing anything else fun or exciting this weekend? I plan to cook a few brontosaurus burgers and finally watch the Blade Runner special edition when it gets too hot outside. My wife has never seen the movie so I'm torn on whether to show her the international version(my favorite) or the Final Cut with the remastered special effects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: The indisputably black vampires of Jewelle Gomez, L.A. Banks, and Octavia Butler
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: LA Banks is one of my favorite authors. I love her books! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://blackvamp.notlong.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Re: The indisputably black vampires of Jewelle Gomez, L.A. Banks, and Octavia Butler
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: LA Banks is one of my favorite authors. I love her books! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://blackvamp.notlong.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Re: The indisputably black vampires of Jewelle Gomez, L.A. Banks, and Octavia Butler
I think Jewelle Gomez may have posted here once upon a time. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: LA Banks is one of my favorite authors. I love her books! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://blackvamp.notlong.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Re: Who remembers Marvel Comics EPIC magazine?
Epic was great. Jim Starlin's Metamorphosis Odyssey(the introduction of Dreadstar) and John Byrne's Last Galactus Story are classics. Marvel keeps threatening to do a monthly comics magazine again but nothing ever pans out. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: It was their attempt to mimic Heavy Metal. I found my issues after cleaning up my flooded basement. The premeire issue came out in the fall of 1980.I hadn't read those issues in years.Rereading them now. They should have stuck with the concept.Some great pre-graphic novelizations.
[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
I saw the sneak preview of Mutant Chronicles a while back and I give the movie props for a few things: The worldbuilding was interesting. The future steampunk tech was different if improbable. I loved the coal powered flying machines. The weaponry like the phosphorus gun was cool. Seeing the making of feature you could tell the folks were geeks and it was a labor of love to get their movie made. That said it was easily a half hour too long, there were several unnecessary side plots and sketchy effects diminished the final product. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Ab initio, Keith, I hope that you and Phyliss enjoyed the outing, and I'm envious because you had rain. And *doubly* so because you didn't have to suffer through that. I figure, regarding the ratings system, that there's one go-to source that they're taking their ratings from, and that source really doesn't like many movies. We were discussing Equilibrium last week, and it's way better than the one star it rated. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:06:10 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I took my wife to dinner in downtown Decatur (fav part of the Atlanta area) last night. Indulged in a burger at Ted's Montana Grill, then walked the Square and sat people watching until the rain drove us away. Despite actors like Ron Perlman and Malkovich in the movie, I'd noticed that Comcast's rating system gave it only one star, so I decided to pass. After the headache-inducing Virtuality on Friday night, I'm really glad I did. On another note, what's up with Comcast's rating system? over and over and over, i see movies given crappy (one star) ratings, yet the actual review on the screen is favorable. For example, they'll rate Mutant Chronicles one star, yet the synopsis will say Exciting scifi thriller full of thrilling special effects. What is the deal? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:36:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Don't know if anyone caught that horrid Skiffy/Siffy movie Mutant Chronicles last night, but it gives us another entry in this thread, Captain John McGuire. The brother's proud! Intelligent! Noble! In CHARGE! Dead halfway through the flick! :P -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:43:11 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com If you do, *please* video it! That's one of my fav scenes in all of Trek. The scar on Sulu's face was such a great touch. I remember as the whole thing played out between Uhura and Sulu, in the background can be seen two Security guards, lounging near the turbolift, amused by the whole affair. And the sleezy look on Chekov's face when Sulu first went after Uhura was priceless too. - Original Message - From: wlro...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:22:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was
[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox-
I have to agree with Keith on all points. The sad thing is that the show had a lot of cool material to work with but they chose to concentrate on the weakest plot element. You had a dying Earth, a starship with an Orion drive, a sick doctor, a virtual affair and other fun things but we got way too much of Mr. Creepy(who was even more creepy as one of the incestuous McPoyle brothers on It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia) killing everyone in VR. For once you can't blame FOX for killing a show too soon. Two hours was more than enough. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@... wrote: Started watching it. Didn't finish it. DVRd it. Still didn't finish it. Probably won't finish it. Going back to partying on Friday night... which is why I missed the BSG phenomenon sadly. Never watched it. Here it was awesome. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:25:56 + Subject: [scifinoir2] My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox- Anyone watch the Virtuality debut on Fox? I've often given a new show negative reviews, only to love it later. At the risk of continuing that habit There are three things I expect from a good scifi show: an interesting, attention-grabbing concept (note that doesn't always mean an original one), engaging actors that you like (or hate) and whose actions and experiences mean something to you, and a well-written and executed plot that drives the action, drama, or comedy and keeps you engaged. Note I did *not* say that it has to have great FX, amazing sets, or frightening, slobbering BEMs to keep me interested. Nor does it need ot hinge on space battles, explosions, or lots of action. Those things are great, and certainly enhance the experience of everything from Star Trek to Terminator, from Fringe to Primeval. But they're not the essence of scifi. Heck, some of the best scifi I've ever seen took place in a single room with only the slighest hint of any otherworldliness in terms of costumes or effects, and very little action in terms of fights. Twilight Zone and Outer Limits remain standards of good writing and acting triumphing over the surface stuff. And of course, some of my favorite Star Trek eps of all time deal more with the human condition than an alien attack or a killer computer. It's no accident that a show that literally was built sometimes on cardboard and kitchen implement props still entertains. So no, I don't need action and excitement to enjoy my scifi. Heck, with the proper writing, direction, and acting, someone could make a flick about an intelligent, malevolent layer of paint drying on the wall, and make it engaging. But after sitting through two hours of Ron Moore's Virtuality, I'd settle for watching the non-intelligent, boring variety of paint slowly lose its water molecules to the aether. There was nothing about the show that pulled me in in this debut. Not the slow, almost tortured pace of the plot, which seemed less like intelligent setup than plodding exposition. Not the curiously dull, vanilla actors, who despite dealing with a mission now menaced by a murderous, rapist VR villain, seemed boring and robotic in their performances. Coming into the show, i thought these people had been on the ship for decades instead of few years (or months?) They all seemed so disengaged, so monotonic in their speech, I wondered if they'd already lost their minds, succumbed to space ennui, or were all doing 'ludes. Even their anger and fear seemed curiously devoid of peaks and valleys of emotion. Imagine an entire crew populated with Edward James Olmos and David Duchovny clones, sitting in a spaceship that looks more like the Big Brother house than a space vehicle, and you get the idea. I'm all for shows that build slowly, that take time to get the action going. Indeed, I celebrate them. But this one made me feel as if I'd come into a room after an argument where the principals have stopped talking, and I'm left to wonder what was said. I didn't get the dynamics of the crew: who liked whom, who had what type of personality, how long they've been in space, what the mission is, or--most importantly--why the whole damn thing is being filmed as a reality TV show. I just know that I was irritated by the now overdone camera work that signals look at me shake! This is live and real! I was turned off by the endless shots captioned with Lipstick cam or Hull camera C-374. And man was I bored to tears with the crew sitting around a table in this strangely domestic looking spaceship, starring
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate
Trust me you wouldn't have to dig very deep to find examples of hate towards the characters and/or the creators that write them. An easy example is the furor caused by Storm and Black Panther temporarily subbing for Reed and Sue. The whole Black Panther and Storm relationship. The one misdrawn panel of McDuffie's run on FF that caused white fandom to lose their minds because Black Panther temporarily grappled with the Silver Surfer. In their minds SS looked to distressed. It was canon that T'Challa had Galactus protocols but fanboys lost their minds when he actually used them. The modifications that T'Challa made to Dr. Doom's power cosmic siphoning device enabled him to take out Surfer during a battle but this was unacceptable. I could go on and on. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Tell me about this objection to Panther and Cage? Given that both were already black characters, what was the problem? They don't like T'Challa finally being portrayed as a genius up there with Stark and Pym, a fighter on the level of Captain America, a monarch to stand with Namor, Black Bolt, and Doom, and a cunning strategist who could give Batman a run for his money?What's wrong with that? And what, they didn't like Cage marrying a white woman? I say the heck with them. I still remember the days when just about every black character in comics strangely had to wear full body costumes to cover their faces (Panther, Spawn), were somehow impaired so that they weren't used much (Black Racer), or were deformed or changed in such a way that their blackness was all but erased or hidden (Deathlok). There were years of this foolishness were black characters were introduced but relegated to the sidelines or rendered toothless, so why deny such characters their due now? And they keep saying that we're post-racial in the age of Obama - Original Message - From: B. Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 12:54:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Apparently they are a vocal part of comic fandom. After seeing the hate that Marvel got for daring to make Black Panther and Luke Cage actually matter I imagine that this will get the same reaction. The vitriol on the internets that is heaped on black characters and comic creators was one of the things that saddened me about comic fandom. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: B, the minute they come forth, we'll know where at least a few of the small minds are. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Date : Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:18:57 - From : B. Smith daikaiju66@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me... And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme was, knowing that Strange was out of the position. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supreme-brother-voodoo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox-
It was the pilot episode but so far FOX has passed on it. I need to rewatch it but they said that Earth was in danger of losing all of it's coastal areas and liveable land was getting scarce. They stated something to the effect that they had maybe another generation or so left before human life was in danger of extinction. The Orion drive uses nukes as propulsion. It was most famously used in the classic sci-fi novel Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It has potential but will probably only be used to power ships already outside the atmosphere. They were going to the Epsilon Eridani star system. It's an Sol type star and it's theorized to have several planets. They used Neptune to slingshot. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Is this a series, or was that a two-hour standalone TV movie? If the latter, I missed the ending 'cause I couldn't hang. I also missed the first half hour. What is wrong with Earth? What's an Orion drive? Was it the nukes popping off behind the ship to propel it to high velocities? and when they reached the go/no go point, what was the planet they used for a slingshot effect? Were they still in our solar system, in which case I'd guess it was Uranus or Neptune? And if so, where are they going to go in ten years? The Centauri star system? - Original Message - From: B. Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:22:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox- I have to agree with Keith on all points. The sad thing is that the show had a lot of cool material to work with but they chose to concentrate on the weakest plot element. You had a dying Earth, a starship with an Orion drive, a sick doctor, a virtual affair and other fun things but we got way too much of Mr. Creepy(who was even more creepy as one of the incestuous McPoyle brothers on It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia) killing everyone in VR. For once you can't blame FOX for killing a show too soon. Two hours was more than enough. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherwood@ wrote: Started watching it. Didn't finish it. DVRd it. Still didn't finish it. Probably won't finish it. Going back to partying on Friday night... which is why I missed the BSG phenomenon sadly. Never watched it. Here it was awesome. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:25:56 + Subject: [scifinoir2] My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox- Anyone watch the Virtuality debut on Fox? I've often given a new show negative reviews, only to love it later. At the risk of continuing that habit There are three things I expect from a good scifi show: an interesting, attention-grabbing concept (note that doesn't always mean an original one), engaging actors that you like (or hate) and whose actions and experiences mean something to you, and a well-written and executed plot that drives the action, drama, or comedy and keeps you engaged. Note I did *not* say that it has to have great FX, amazing sets, or frightening, slobbering BEMs to keep me interested. Nor does it need ot hinge on space battles, explosions, or lots of action. Those things are great, and certainly enhance the experience of everything from Star Trek to Terminator, from Fringe to Primeval. But they're not the essence of scifi. Heck, some of the best scifi I've ever seen took place in a single room with only the slighest hint of any otherworldliness in terms of costumes or effects, and very little action in terms of fights. Twilight Zone and Outer Limits remain standards of good writing and acting triumphing over the surface stuff. And of course, some of my favorite Star Trek eps of all time deal more with the human condition than an alien attack or a killer computer. It's no accident that a show that literally was built sometimes on cardboard and kitchen implement props still entertains. So no, I don't need action and excitement to enjoy my scifi. Heck, with the proper writing, direction, and acting, someone could make a flick about an intelligent, malevolent layer of paint drying on the wall, and make it engaging. But after sitting through two hours of Ron Moore's Virtuality, I'd settle for watching the non-intelligent, boring variety of paint slowly lose its water molecules to the aether. There was nothing about the show that pulled me in in this debut
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@... wrote: B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do that! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, I am not wasting that time playing video games. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/ravenadal _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009
[scifinoir2] Re: Little Black Sambots
I heard about this. WTF were they thinking? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: http://chud.com/articles/articles/19917/1/TRANSFORMERS039-LITTLE-BLACK-SAMBOTS/Page1.html
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
My wife loves Mafia Wars. I think San Andreas was the best game overall (Vice City was the most fun) but some elements like the DDR inspired minigames and mission and all the schools stopped too many people's progress in the game. GTA IV scraps those but keeps some other elements like girlfriends and need to eat. It's a huge game and a lot of fun. One of my favorite things is the vigilante missions. They've also added some cool stuff like the ability to see shows within the game and watch tv. There are tons of content made just for those activities. The in game commercials are insane. I really do miss the rampages and the ability to fully customize the character. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I have been playing mafia wars on facebook, Sins of a solar empire, Stronghold 2, and Starcraft. I may also start playing Sims 3. (I have been hearing that people have been having problems with getting it to run.) I also still play GTA San Andreas and GTA 3. Haven't tried GTA 4 yet. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherwood@ wrote: B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do that! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, I am not wasting that time playing video games. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/ravenadal _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
Flight school killed it for me. It was way too involved for the amount of missions in the game where you need to fly. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: The DDR parts of the game are the only reason why I am still playing it. I haven't gotten passed that first one, but I have been doing everything else that I can in the game. :( On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: My wife loves Mafia Wars. I think San Andreas was the best game overall (Vice City was the most fun) but some elements like the DDR inspired minigames and mission and all the schools stopped too many people's progress in the game. GTA IV scraps those but keeps some other elements like girlfriends and need to eat. It's a huge game and a lot of fun. One of my favorite things is the vigilante missions. They've also added some cool stuff like the ability to see shows within the game and watch tv. There are tons of content made just for those activities. The in game commercials are insane. I really do miss the rampages and the ability to fully customize the character. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I have been playing mafia wars on facebook, Sins of a solar empire, Stronghold 2, and Starcraft. I may also start playing Sims 3. (I have been hearing that people have been having problems with getting it to run.) I also still play GTA San Andreas and GTA 3. Haven't tried GTA 4 yet. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherwood@ wrote: B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do that! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, I am not wasting that time playing video games. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/ravenadal _ Hotmailî has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate
No thanks. I've finally kicked the habit(for the most part) and I definitely don't miss the daily dose of stupid, bigoted drivel found on most comic boards. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, gwashin...@... wrote: It's already started. Just take a look at the various comic message boards for details. -GTW In a message dated 6/22/09 9:19:39 AM, daikaij...@... writes: I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me... And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme was, knowing that Strange was out of the position. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 - From : ravenadal ravenadal@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supr eme-brother-voodoo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo ** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62)
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
She's highly regarded but not given the same respect as the legendary hard sci-fi types. Her work falls into the more literary side of the genre and in some ways she was more highly regarded outside the genre. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: George, it's possible, but I see her lack of props as being more a matter of the mainstream SF press not knowing what the frell it's doing. IMO, they've become like the music industry, more interested in the flavor of the week than actual decent work. When I go to the bookstore and browse the SF/fantasy shelves, the stuff I see is so derivative as to be embarrassing. Nine times out of ten, I can figure out what the story inside the covers is solely by what pose the characters on the cover are striking. Shouldn't be that easy, even for a guy with my brain. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I've rarely seen her represented in so-called mainstream press. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate
I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me... And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme was, knowing that Strange was out of the position. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 - From : ravenadal ravena...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supreme-brother-voodoo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate
Apparently they are a vocal part of comic fandom. After seeing the hate that Marvel got for daring to make Black Panther and Luke Cage actually matter I imagine that this will get the same reaction. The vitriol on the internets that is heaped on black characters and comic creators was one of the things that saddened me about comic fandom. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: B, the minute they come forth, we'll know where at least a few of the small minds are. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Date : Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:18:57 - From : B. Smith daikaij...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me... And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme was, knowing that Strange was out of the position. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supreme-brother-voodoo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: The Sad, Strange Tale of Dwayne McDuffie
DC editorial strikes again. I'm glad Dwayne has come out of this madness ok and has picked up new animated series work. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://comiccritics.com/2009/06/16/the-sad-strange-tale-of-dwayne-mcduffie/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
Shepherd Book might have been an Operative as well. H. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced. I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor, whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer. - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren miche...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Primeval canceled
It's a fun show and I'll miss it. I will be interested to see how the American version will be different besides having more firepower. BTW one part about the show always irked me. Their military response team would go after dinos and other beasties with the same guns they'd use on a human opponent. Geez would it have killed someone to properly arm them? I think my friends and I would have been better at taking down the threats they face than their away teams. Giant croc in the Thames? No problem. Fly my cousin Clive and his airboat over and we'll sort this out by dinnertime. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Hard to say that I'll miss something that'll undoubtedly be on DVD before the year is out (if it isn't altready), but I'll lament what could've been. Had definite potential for growth. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Primeval canceled Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:58:35 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Looks like even a successful show can be canceled after a few years. ITV's Primeval (shown on BBC America on Saturday nights and on The Sci-Fi Channel) has val-science-fiction been canceled after three seasons. The show was actually successful and well-liked and there's going to be a big-screen ing-on-television/ version too (and probably a U.S. version), but it was too expensive to produce. Are you going to miss this show, or was three seasons enough? http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/16/primeval-canceled/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: What happened to the Black Panther anime that was supposed to be aired on B.E.T?
I was thinking about this too. It's been over a year since the footage was shown but no series. Animation is expensive(even the limited kind shown in the preview footage) and Viacom may have pulled the plug. Hudlin isn't writing the Black Panther anymore so that might have been a final nail in the coffin. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Board please forgive me envoking BET on here.But has this been shelved? I know it was pushed back twice.Did the the series die when Hudlin was shown the door at BET?
[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
Actually Kendra had two appearances, the two parter where she was introduced and the episode where she dies. The first was when she was activated due to Buffy's short term death at the hands of the Master. She left with her Watcher to undergo further training when that was resolved. When she returned the second time is when she was taken out by Drusilla. She was actually the true slayer due to Buffy's death and it lead to Faith becoming the slayer when she died. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Michelle Lauren miche...@... wrote: This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV
I did some research way back when on Zulu warfare way back when and I was impressed on how great their tactics were. If they could have mastered the gun the history of southern Africa might have played out a bit differently. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Sir, I am in awe of you at this moment... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Date : Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Or the fact that The Zulu nation gave Victoria's best a good run for their money in South Africa...I met King Goodwill Zulu in high school when he visited the states...never met a met who killed a lion until then... --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:36 AM Have to agree with you there, pal. Tactics often do supplant superior numbers and technology. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Date : Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com JUst looked at an excerpt of William Wallace Vs. Shaka Zulu...from a quick observation, Wallace would probably come out on top one on one, But Shaka's tactics en masse would probably give Wallace's army a very bad time...too many factors are against a decisive win for Shaka: Strictly footsoldiers against archers, lancers and horsemen...both use that 'berzerker' style of overrunning and overwhelming their enemies, but while Wallace had the better technology, Zulu had more cunning tactics... --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:50 PM I know, Keith, but, everytime I hear them say that, I think, They really haven't had much real-world experience in violence-related issues because I've seen things that'll make your hair UNcurl. The frying-pan/chairs incident was back in my early days here in Atlanta, when I was out with some friends at a bar in Buckhead. A fight broke out between one of my friends and some guy, because of disparaging remarks directed at a young lady. I got hit because I was trying to get that young lady out of harm's way. I've also seen a man take two shots from a .38 in the chest, almost point-blank, and still keep going, requiring four cops to subdue and arrest him. And he lived, still lives. (Don't know what the circumstances of that were -- I was only nine years old, and happened across the end of it when I s! tepped off the schoolbus.) And those memoirs are all sitting in my head, waiting for the time to be written down. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Date : Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:36:29 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com yeah, I'm aware of that. But during the testing, they made a big deal out of how both of those devices could crush a person's skull. The doctor is always saying That's a killing blow. You'll be dead before you hit the ground. I get glancing blows not bringing the full force, of course, but in both cases these were pretty much full on. Given what happened to the practice dummy, one expects to see blood, brains, and bone fragments flying. Either way, do tell more about your younger days. Sounds quite interesting! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 7:52:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Keith, I don't know if you've ever been in or seen any serious fights or not, but I've danced in a couple back in my Salad Daze, and I can say this into your thoughts. In one fight, I was hit directly in the forehead with a frying pan *and* took two chairs upside the head, and kept going. Sometimes, in the heat of the battle, adrenaline will allow you to take what might normally be a killing blow and shrug it off. Though you *do* notice it later. *Boy*, do you... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Date : Sun, 7 Jun 2009 02:45:05 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Still trying to figure out how the pirate survived a headblow by the morningstar. But then, I can't see how the Apache survived at least two direct
[scifinoir2] Re: Is HBO's Cosmic Slop available on DvD
Is it wrong that I came up with a fanfic sequel to The Space Traders that had a nasty surprise for the remaining people of Earth a decade or two in the future? Say hello to your new Nubian overlords suckers!!! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: There were only 3 episodes. No DVD. Daryle On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:54 AM, George Arterberry wrote: Please help?
[scifinoir2] Re: Moonlight
It was another missed oppurtunity by CBS. The show had found its legs and was building momentum when they pulled the plug. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Just finished watching the series finale of Moonlight (thanks 2 my dvr), and i have 2 say that it was better than i expected. i remember when they first started advertising for this, all i could think of was 'Forever Knight' (which was kind of good too). guess i will backtrack it and look at some old eps. Fate.
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
Ah the good old days when BET had some watchable programming. That was a different show called Midnight Love. Video Soul was their primetime show with Donny Simpson and Sherry Carter. Lead Story was their roundtable news show and it was very good. Teen Summit was actually pretty good as well. Somewhere along the line they turned that network to crap. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Yeah I remember that one. Was that the late night one that had older love songs? - Original Message - From: wlro...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Then there was a show back in the day called Video Soul --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People BET had a show, Caribbean Rhythmns, hosted by yet another light-skinned sister (that was almost all they used back then) named Rachel. It was a music video show. I think that was the extent of their Caribbean presence... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:16:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Not if you count places like Jamaica, and the rest of the Caribbean, and Canada. I guess what I am saying is that BET never developed a real niche or direction (or quality control) after being around about the same amount of time as Telemundo. Now Telemundo has 3 or 4 channels where I live. BET was sold, and TVone (completely different company) is barely on the air. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Agreed. I've long lamented the sad fact that the Latin-themed cable channels far exceed the Black ones in terms of drama and variety. Of course, maybe it can be argued that Latinoes in this hemisphere have more collective viewing power than Blacks--if South and Central America are added to the mix--but I wonder... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 12:46:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People I really disliked BET for a long time, because they pretty much wasted the opportunity to create an incredible conduit for all types of black entertainment. (a couple of exceptions but not many) Compare it to Telemundo that has several long running shows and award winning news programming. BET could have gone with a similar business model with their own unique programming but we ended up with mostly fluff and garbage. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: The only thing BET had going for it back in the day were a few talk and news shows. There was the news show BET tonight (with, at various times, Ed Gordon and Tavis Smiley). There was a talk show with the great Bev Smith--who, curiously, was the *only* dark-skinned person hosting a major show in BET for quite a long time. Bev is good, no nonsense, and well informed, and her show reflected her abilities. There was a good show aimed at teens that aired on Saturdays (I think it was called Teen Beat). Before the gangtsa rap thing really hit, it had a feeling that now I guess we'd call innocent, dealing with real issues like divorce, drugs, school quality, along with having guests who'd come in and talk to the kids. There was music, videos, and dancing, but like I said, it didn't have the harder, more carnal edge that even shows aimed at young adults can have nowadays. Finally, there was a good news talk show hosted by Ed Gordon that had a panel including George Curry and Clarence Page. Good, informed discussions. I forget the name of the show. But curiously, BET chose to air both it and Bev Smith's show on Sundays before noon--when most black folk were at church or brunch! There was even an enjoyable entertainment themed show where Tanya Hart interviewed various celebrity guests. Last I saw, I think Ms. Hart does some kind of gossip stuff, as I see her show up on TMZ-like shows dishing on who's sleeping with whom in Hollywood. But yeah, back then BET had enough shows like the above so that I watched it a least a few hours a week. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:41:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV
I was a bit surprised how IRA vs. Taliban turned out. I thought the RPG would be too big of an advantage in a firefight. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Still trying to figure out how the pirate survived a headblow by the morningstar. But then, I can't see how the Apache survived at least two direct blows to the face by the gladiator's spiked fist in their contest. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 6:26:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Thank you, Keith! Pirates! AR!!! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] The Deadliest Warrior Marathon on SpikeTV Date : Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:19:14 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com For those who love the series as much as me, SpikeTV is running an all day marathon right now, going until 8 pm EST. They just finished Apache vs. Gladiator (winner: Apache). Now it's Samurai vs. Viking warrior. What was interesting about the matchups is the first several weren't so much major differences in time periods (such as bronze vs. steel) as they were differences in warrior size and method. It was small, fast, and efficient versus large, powerful and overpowering. Usually, the smaller, faster warriors would win the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Del Toro's The Strain Is An Antidote To Fey Vampires
I read the first cycle but never picked the vampire world novels that featured Harry's sons. Another great one is Baltimore Or The Steadfast Tin Soldier and the Vampire by Mike Mignola and Christopher Golden. It's excellent. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: sounds interesting, but here is a question. has anyone read Brian Lumley's Necroscope series? his vampires are GREAT! not the Anne Rice or Twilight type, but vampires that are evil. the vampires are infected with a parasite, which they call a leech. each vampire can only sire one other vampirewhich they do with the passing of an egg. now they have thralls who can become vampires after a considerable time being a thrall. that is because being a thrall, eventually grows into a mature parasite. they are evil, but fun as hell. a couple of books into the series and we learn the origin of vampires on earth started on another world. it's 14 books in the series right now (because another one is goign 2 be released next month). the stories center around a guy named Harry Keogh, who is the Necroscope. he has a very unique ability that affords him 2 be the greatest vampire hunter ever! the stories are centered around the ESP Branch of MI5. if u have not read them, i think everyone should. they are very good books. Fate. --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Del Toro's The Strain Is An Antidote To Fey Vampires To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:15 PM Based on the recommendation of a friend in another SF group, I've ordered this from SFBC, and am waiting for it to arrive anxiously. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Del Toro's The Strain Is An Antidote To Fey Vampires Date : Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:09:38 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Pan's Labyrinth director Guillermo Del Toro and novelist Chuck Hogan have collaborated to write The Strain , the first book in a planned vampire trilogy. And the good news is, this new spin on vampires comes with a noticeable creep factor, despite some silliness. Spoilers below. This book began life as a TV series pitch to FOX, a few years back. Del Toro scoffs at the romanticized image of the vampire that infests modern media, and wants a return to the dark folkloric roots of the creatures. He isn't alone: many of us are sick of these pale and pretty poseurs, brooding about their cursed immortality and chatting up jailbait by the Orange Julius. Oh sure, they can go all scary cat-face, just before they fight cheerleaders, but usually they look like they're trying to get a record deal. Honestly, what happened to the Horror? Someone who considers you a source of protein is not a good role model. It's common to lay the blame for all this at the feet of Anne Rice, but it goes back further than that. Bela Lugosi's dapper aristocrat, dressed for a night at the opera, lunges to mind. The original Dracula is responsible for much of the bodice-ripping and doomed-love themes that still flit around the genre. The appearance and mannerisms of Count Dracula were inspired more by Bram Stoker's relationship with the stately and imposing actor Henry Irving than any actual Eastern European folklore. Del Toro and Hogan pay tribute to Stoker's classic, while presenting a more primal depiction of the undead as figures of repugnance and terror. At the same time they borrow heavily from Richard Matheson. His excellent I Am Legend was the perhaps the modern novel first to deal with vampirisim scientifically, as a disease. It was made into an enjoyable film in 1964. While not exactly groundbreaking, The Strain combines the ancient stories that scared the kreplach out of our peasant ancestors, with our modern and wholly rational panic about plagues. The attempt is somewhat effective, although it falls short of the vampiric reinvigoration del Toro and Hogan seem to desire. It begins on the 24th of September, 2010. Echoing the arrival of the Demeter in Dracula, a Regis Air 777 lands at JFK with no lights, and sits on the tarmac with all the window shades drawn. There is no communication from the airliner, not even a single cellphone call from the passengers. Everyone at the scene feels an ominous dread. When local and Federal authorities get inside the plane, all 210 people on board appear dead. Fearing the worse, Dr. Ephriam Goodweather of the CDC is summoned. Ephraim is a recovering alcoholic and is recently divorced. He'd much rather be spending a weekend with his beloved son but duty
[scifinoir2] Re: Fw: Fantasy author David Eddings dies
R.I.P. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amy Harlib ahar...@... wrote: SFcrowsnest Monthly Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazine ahar...@... Forwarding. I'm enough of a pessimist that I'm going to continue writing fantasy. David Eddings - author, friend. Issue 187.5 - June 2009 19 years online ( counting) NEWS EXTRA June 2009 I don't normally do one-shot news updates because of the eye-wateringly large cost of e-mailing the whole SFcrowsnest subscriber base, but I'll make an exception for David. One of the great ones has gone and his death leaves the fantasy field many worlds poorer. Stephen Hunt June 3rd 2009 David Eddings passes away Fantasy author David Eddings has sadly passed away, aged 77, last night. Best-selling and popular are often epithets that are applied to authors on writers' press releases, but in David's case, it was well deserved. His commercial success, says fantasy author Stephen Hunt, paved the way for a whole generation of doorstopper-sized fantasy series. -- Stephen Hunt's third fantasy novel set in the Jackelian world... The Rise of The Iron Moon From the author of The Court of the Air and The Kingdom Beyond the Waves comes a thrilling new adventure set in the same Victorian-style world. Born into captivity as a product of the Royal Breeding House, friendless orphan Purity Drake suddenly finds herself on the run with a foreign vagrant from the North after accidentally killing one of her guards. Her strange rescuer claims he is on the run himself from terrible forces who mean to enslave the Kingdom of Jackals as they conquered his own nation. Purity doubts his story, until reports begin to filter through from Jackals' neighbours of the terrible Army of Shadows, marching across the continent and sweeping all before them. But there's more to Purity than meets the eye. As Jackals girds itself for war against an army of near-unkillable beasts serving an ancient evil with a terrible secret, it soon becomes clear that their only hope is a strange little royalist girl and the last, desperate plan of an escaped slave. Available now on Amazon - click here. -- Stephen Hunt's The Kingdom Beyond the Waves - NOW out in paperback (UK) A deadly obsession, a lunatic steamman, a u-boat full of convict sailors. You're sailing to your death ... Professor Amelia Harsh is obsessed with finding the lost civilisation of Camlantis, a legendary city from pre-history that is said to have conquered hunger, war and disease -- tempering the race of man's baser instincts by the creation of the perfect pacifist society. It is an obsession that is to cost her dearly. She returns home to the Kingdom of Jackals from her latest archaeological misadventure to discover that the university council has finally stripped her of her position in retaliation for her heretical research. Without official funding, Amelia has no choice but to accept the offer of patronage from the man she blames for her father's bankruptcy and suicide, the fiercely intelligent and incredibly wealthy Abraham Quest. He has an ancient crystal-book that suggests the Camlantean ruins are buried under one of the sea-like lakes that dot the murderous jungles of Liongeli. Amelia undertakes an expedition deep into the dark heart of the jungle, blackmailing her old friend Commodore Black into ferrying her along the huge river of the Shedarkshe on his ancient u-boat. With an untrustworthy crew of freed convicts, Quest's force of female mercenaries on board and a lunatic steamman safari hunter acting as their guide, Amelia's luck can hardly get any worse. But she's as yet unaware that her quest for the perfect society is about to bring her own world to the brink of destruction! Hardback http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingdom-Beyond-Waves-Stephen-Hunt/dp/0007232209 Paperback http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingdom-Beyond-Waves-Stephen-Hunt/dp/0007232217 Science fiction and fantasy events upcoming shortly: ApolloCon 2009 26/06/2009 - 28/06/2009 United States - Houston Science Fiction Con Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins 05/06/2009 - 05/07/2009 United States - Various Cinema release Finncon 2009 10/07/2009 - 12/07/2009 Finland - Helsinki Science Fiction Con Ancient City Con III 18/07/2009 - 19/07/2009 United States - Jacksonville
[scifinoir2] Re: Pontypool
I really want to see it but none of our theaters is showing it and I don't have the IFC pay channel. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: We just watched this movie. Have to admit I loved it. Has anyone else seen it? The entire movie takes place in a remote Ontario radio station, with a charismatic Stephen McHattie playing the grizzled radio host trying to report on a bizarre phenomenon outside without any anchor in reality or context in which to put the strange things he's hearing through the phone in lines, from other radio stations, and even his reporters in the field. There were many awesome quotes but here is my favorite: That was our own Ken Looney interviewing a screaming baby coming from Mary Gulf's eldest son's dying gasp. That was a little baby. A tiny little baby. Oh yeah... and there's Honey the missing cat. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
Well I needed my weekly Supernatural fix and I liked Reaper as well. Plus I watched Everybody Hates Chris and The Game. I also liked their shortlived show Easy Money. Now that everything but Supernatural is gone they are sliding off my radar. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: NO, G. It's NOT just you... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Date : Sun, 31 May 2009 19:48:29 EDT From : gwashin...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com In fact with the possible exception of Jericho (which I still think is one of CBS' unregonized gems) it would make me very happy if it actually did just go away. As it is now it's not only unwatchable it's now insulting. But that's just me. -GTW In a message dated 5/31/09 3:04:26 PM, dar...@... writes: The CW ain't exactly GM. If it went away tomorrow I wonder f anybody would even notice. I haven't watched the channel in... On May 31, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Well, DAY-UM... if i don't exist, then I might as well stop paying this $60/month internet bill, save myself the money. To date, there are three channels I've removed from memory on my TV; BET, Golf Channel and CW. 'Nuff said. ** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823251x1201398665/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=MayExcfooterNO62) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Luke Cage Noir
I just hope it doesn't turn out like the last re-imagining of Luke Cage from Brian Azzarello. That was an abomination. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: I may un-retire from comic colllecting and pick this up.Just hope its not a Marvel version of 'Incognegro.
[scifinoir2] Re: Bayou - Have you seen this?
That's great. I haven't read it it in a while but I'll correct that right now. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://www.zudacomics.com/bayou BAYOU DOMINATES 2009 GLYPH COMICS AWARDS, SETS NEW STANDARDS FOR EXCELLENCE History was made at the 2009 Glyph Comics Awards (GCA) ceremony on May 15, 2009 as Jeremy Love's webcomic Bayou swept all five categories it was nominated in, setting new records for wins by a single comic and wins by a single comic in a single year. The previous record for the former, Nat Turner, had four wins over two years (2006 and 2008), while the previous record for the latter, Stagger Lee, had four wins, all in 2007. Bayou's five-for-five sweep is also a first in GCA history. This is remarkable stuff. ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office
I enjoyed thye heck out of Terminator: Salvation. It has flaws but I think a lot of grief from fanboys and reviewers alike is that the movie isn't what they thought it would be. I also think people just don't want grim and gritty right now. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: Duplicity was so bad I wanted my money back at a press screening. Julia Roberts is DONE. Clive Owen gets a 5 movie pass due to Children Of Men. Terminator:Salvation was a waste of $200 million. If James Cameron doesn't want to direct another Terminator movie, then the story is done. The only way to save Terminator is to give it to Robert Rodriguez. Night Of the Museum could be awful. We'll never know. It's a family movie. And family movie means one car = 2-5 tickets sold. Terminator movie is barely a date movie, so one car = 1 ticket. This is why Star Trek is still doing well. People aren't going alone. So yeah, Terminator was beat by 10 million dollars. What was Warner Brothers thinking? You only go against a family movie if you think the movie has something offensive that will keep a segment out of theaters. It will do sorta well on DVD, but Paramount will probably time the DVD release of Transformers to beat it there, too. On May 25, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ravenadal wrote: I went to the Budget Theater Sunday and plunked down my two bucks to see Duplicity starring Julia Roberts and Clive Owen. Roberts and Owen are great on-screen together but it was easy to see why this movie just sort of laid there at the box office. It COULD have been a contenda but the ending twist, which should have popped like champagne, is flat like reopened soda where someone forgot to properly fasten the cap. On the plus side, the theater, the purveyor of the best popcorn in Milwaukee - REAL butter! - has introduced an EXTRA-LARGE bucket to go with their regular small, medium and large bag offerings. It's all good. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not. People just want to see stuff in the summer. I lament the ascent of the term summer movie, and how people put their brains on hold for explosions and CGI during the warmer months. But what's really doing well still is Star Trek. My wife wanted to see it again (her second time) Saturday night at the five dollar theatre near us. We jetted over for the 7 pm show, and it was sold out thirty minutes before showtime. We caught the 3 pm show Sunday, and it sold out too. It's a cut above a summer movie--several cuts, in fact, but it too has its share of brain-on-hold action, laughs, and FX. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravenadal@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:11:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office I am surprised by the performance of the 4th Terminator movie. Guess it just goes to show in this economy people just wanna see stuff blow up good. ~rave! http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/quotmuseumquot- comedy-beats-quotterminatorquot-box-office-reuters Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office (Reuters) May 24, 2009, 12:57 pm EDT Buzz up! Night at the Museum: Teaser Trailer Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines: Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Ben Stiller beat Christian Bale in the North American weekend box office duel between their respective Night at the Museum and Terminator sequels, according to studio estimates issued on Sunday. The 20th Century Fox comedy Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian sold $53.5 million worth of tickets during the three days beginning Friday, far exceeding the $30.4 million debut of its 2006 predecessor. Terminator Salvation earned $43.0 million. The film fell short of the $44 million start for the previous entry in the cyborg series, 2003's Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, the swan song of franchise star Arnold Schwarzenegger. But the race between the two new sequels was closer than it appeared because Warner Bros. got a head start on the U.S. Memorial Day holiday weekend by opening Terminator on Thursday, when it earned about $13.4 million. That takes the film's four-day total to $56.4 million. The studios generally try to avoid each other when they roll out their big movies. In this case, Night at the Museum played to a broad audience, while Terminator was more targeted at male moviegoers. Time Warner Inc-owned Warner Bros. said Terminator was likely more affected by competition for older men from the National Basketball Association playoffs, which hurt business
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS
A pox upon all their houses. They cancelled The Unit. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: I know a few CSI: fans who would *riot* at that. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 04:54:52 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I say 4. :) Even better a CSI / Ghostwhisper crossover! :) On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Betting pool's now open. How long before there's aMedium/Ghost Whisperer crossover? I've got six eps. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 00:17:39 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the top four broadcasters to reveal its fall schedule to advertisers this week, said it was canceling Without a Trace, The Unit and Eleventh Hour. New series with Jenna Elfman and Julianna Margulies are moving in. The nation's most popular network is a model of stability in a roiled broadcast industry. It's the only network with more viewers this season than last, yet had less advertising revenue than its previous year because of a depressed market. Sensitive about a stodgy image, CBS Corp. chief executive Leslie Moonves cited in a presentation to advertisers on Wednesday a newspaper article that talked about the network's ratings successes despite not being sexy. When you come right down to it, winning really is the only sexy thing out there, Moonves said. CBS moved quickly to grab Medium. As an aging show, production costs were going up. But since it is made by a production company owned by CBS Corp., the costs were more easily absorbed by CBS. It lands on CBS' Friday schedule at 9 p.m., between Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs. Simon Baker's The Mentalist was broadcast TV's only real new hit this season, and CBS decided to move it from Tuesday nights to Thursday at 10 p.m. Thursdays are important for networks as they seek income from advertisers like film studios looking ahead to the weekend. CBS also said it sees the chance to gain a competitive edge at 10 p.m. with NBC's decision to air Jay Leno's new comedy show at that hour each weeknight Your request is being processed... CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' .html digg /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s% 20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 Share this on Facebook .html Huffpost - CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' stumble 9/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC %27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 reddit icks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20Cancel ed%20%27Medium%27 del.ico.us om/2009/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up %20NBC%27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 ShareThis RSS DAVID .html BAUDER | May 20, 2009 07:26 PM EST | AP Compare other versions .html Compare and versions I Like It .html I Don .html 't Like It Read More: Cbs , Medium , Nbc , Patricia Arquette , Television , Entertainment News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/bookmarking/digg-submit.pngBe the First to Submit /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 This Story to Digg ww.huffingtonpost.com %2F2009%2F05%2F20%2Fcbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751. html Buzz up! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090520/us-tv-cbs-new-season/image s/b369da4e-7b30-4fb4-979e-769eed9eea53.jpg FILE - In this May 14, 2008 file photo, actor Simon Baker from The Mentalist, attends the CBS Upfront at Carnegie Hall in New York. (AP Photo/Peter Kramer, File) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/email.gif Get Breaking News Alerts never spam * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/share.gif Share * .html?view=print http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/print.gif .html?view=print Print * .html#comments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/comments.gif .html#comments Comments NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the
[scifinoir2] Re: Reaper?
I like Reaper but the premise is wearing a bit thin. I did like the additional characters they brought in this year like Morgan and Nina. If they get another season they need to shake the show up a bit more. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: I love the premise and bemoan the execution. Loved the first episode. The rest of them not so much. Love Ray Wise as the Devil and the Big Box store as a level of purgatory. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Does anyone watch this show? It is on the CW network. Its a light comedy / action show about a guy that works at a Home depot clone that finds out that his soul was sold to the devil by his parents. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] sarah connor goes dollhouse stays
I like Dollhouse but T:TSCC was the better show. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Martin, i totally agree. i have yet 2 watch dollhouse, and i think i will never (going 2 be like u and Star Trek :-), but i will miss TSCC - i thought that it was doing a really good job in showing us the experiences that would shape his frame of mind for what he would do later. if this is legit, then i guess my friday nights will have to dvd night now. Fate. --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] sarah connor goes dollhouse stays To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:54 AM Proof that you can't trust the H'Wood whisper-stream. Last week, the word was exactly the opposite of this. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] sarah connor goes dollhouse stays Date : Mon, 18 May 2009 17:51:24 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com The chopping block is out. http://www.wired. com/underwire/ 2009/05/report- sarah-connor- terminated- dollhouse- dodges-bullet/ http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Star Trek Second Viewing Quick Thoughts
I like that the new movie is an alternate history Trek. I love continuity but in my older, mellower years I have become less hung up about it. I like that the new continuity gives them leeway to do some different things and take some chances the other films and series couldn't do. The destruction of Vulcan and the death of Spock's mother were actually the strongest parts of the film for me. This definitely made the movie its own thing and made Spock even more special in some ways. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ha-ha! Right on! Well said! - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:42:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Star Trek Second Viewing Quick Thoughts Hey, Keith, I am not looking for a mea culpa. You feel how you feel. (which is why, when people ask me how I feel, I say, With my hnads.) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Tracey, Bosco, Rave, Daryle, Mr. Worf. Martin. I went to see Star Trek again today. (Like I said guys: I really liked the flick the first time around, so don't be surprised). I plan to drop a second review, one that's not professional, just hopefully cogent expressions of my purely emotional reaction to the flick. Until then, let me say this quickly: I enjoyed the film even more the second time around. It looks great--even with irritating touches like that Star Wars interiour for the Enterprise, and the crazy pipes and water tanks in Engineering. Abrams has an ability to make a film look more like real life than many directors. Indeed, the movie has the best overall look of any Trek film with the possible exception of First Contact. The sound is off the hook. The warp effect, for example--though another annoying Star Wars touch--literally booms across the theatre. The characters are all enjoyable, and I'm comfortable with all of them taking the franchise forward. It's a funny flick at times--a bit too much for my tastes--but no major complaints. Fast-paced action from beginning to end. I was enjoying it immensely untiluntil...untilSpock does something completely unsupportable and throws Kirk off the ship, making me leave the world with a start...until Vulcan is unnecessarily destroyed, throwing the future history into tatters...until Kirk and Scotty beam back to the ship and Kirk goads Spock into losing his mind and trying to murder him in front of the whole bridge, making me feel as if I'm being hit over the head with a character portrayal...until Spock feels up Uhura before his away mission...until Kirk is given the ship only three years after enlisting...until I realized the new timeline is permanent. In short, it's a really fun, great-looking, action-filled movie that still puzzles me for the changes made to timeline and Kirk and Spock's characters. I understand what Tracey says about Abrams simultaneously thumbing his nose at fans and trying to simplify the task of working with a forty-year history. But as good as the movie was, I still found the changes hitting me like speed bumps on an otherwise smooth road. I left again really having had a great time, but with that nagging feeling of It didn't have to be done this way refusing to leave my head. Left very pleased at the experience, but very disappointed, sad, and wistful at how it had to be that of another reality. More later
[scifinoir2] Re: District 9
I'm definitely looking forward to it. I'm interested in seeing how they plan to tell this story. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Board, Who else is feeling this trailer?
[scifinoir2] Re: LOST Finale *** SPOILERS***
I think the H-bomb reset will work but not in the way Daniel thought. I totally sniffed out what was in the box but seeing it was still a shock. Still going back and piecing it together was great fun. Awesome twist. I have a feeling that Jacob will be back in an altered form. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobin...@... wrote: I love this show, and although I've never been a fan of either Jack or Kate, I still can't believe that everyone agreed that it was worth it to blow up an entire island -- one with incredible, scientifically and anthropologically unique characteristics, not to mention PEOPLE living on it -- just because things didn't work out between Kate and him! What does Jack know about the effects of igniting a hydrogen bomb in a highly electromagnetically-charged field (and/or giant time machine) anyway? He didn't even know how the bomb worked until Sayid explained it to him. He's a doctor, not a quantum physicist, darn it! Why did Sawyer even let Jack get away with it? Like Sawyer said, the past is in the past. Did Sawyer really want to get rid of blondie after all? Jack wasn't going to undo anything that already happened in the past or in the future. Furthermore, SOME good things did result from the Oceanic crash: Rose's cancer is gone, John can walk again, Sawyer was a productive member of society, that Aisan guy got to meet his father and find out why he really sent his mother and him away, Mr. Eco made peace with his brother, Jack got to meet the sister and nephew he never knew, the rocker kicked his heroin addiction, Hurley almost lost some weight, and the list goes on... Jack gets on my nerves with his self-righteous whining. What's so great about Kate's little sneaky behind anyway? How much therapy do you need to know that a nuclear strike is not the answer to a bad break-up? I just had to get that off my chest. (And Jacob, darling, the island's been vaporized, so I don't think anybody's coming.) Angela
[scifinoir2] Did Anyone Watch The Season Finale of Fringe?
I have to say this show has grown on me and I loved the season ending revelations. The title of the episode was There Is More Than One of Everything and boy did it deliver on that promise. I figured out one of the big reveals but it was still shocking and the final image of episode just floored me. I'll have to give it to Abrams the show has matured and really come into its own. I'm officially hooked. http://io9.com/5252731/is-there-more-than-one-final-episode-for-fringe
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Martin, Please do yourself a favor and check it out. There are tons of nods to the various Trek movies and series. Abrams wasn't a Trekkie but the screenwriters were. There are so many Easter eggs in the movie you can miss them all the first time around. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Martin,  when u going? i need 2 see it again, so i will tag along with u.  Fate. --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:01 AM To everyone who's been trying to lure me into see this -- *that's* the bait. Even though McCoy never uttered that line, I still quote it when apropos in real life. I just night have to go, just for that thrill. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 19:31:00 -0400 From : Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I'm sorry, you'll have to find out for yourself. Justin On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: That's one constant I've been hearing in every review I've heard from people who've seen this, that Urban's McCoy was truly a thing of beauty. One guy I know even called it channeling DeForrest Kelley. Spoil one thing for me, though. Does Urban-as-McCoy say The Line? -[ Received Mail Content ]--  Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*  Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:13:27 -  From : B. Smith  To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Well I'm late to the party but I have to say that I really, really, really enjoyed the new movie. It was definitely a good time at the movies and it delivered in a big way. The people in the theater actually applauded at the end the movie. I think all of the main actors did really well in their roles with the exception of Eric Bana who was sort of just there. The biggest surprise for me was Karl Urban taking the McCoy role and running with it. Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. Chris Pine was a fun, rakish young Kirk. I liked Zachary Quinto's take on a younger less in control Spock. Zoe Saldana did a lot with her role and the Spock-Uhura romance made sense in the altered timeline. One of my favorite bits was the scene with Kirk and Uhura's roomate. That got a huge audience reaction. The fate of the Kelvin was an epic opening scene. And seeing the Enterprise in space the first time was gretted with cheers of joy. One plot point I loved was that: S P O I E R S B E L O W Kirk's altered timeline was merely a side effect of Nero's quest to hurt Spock for the destruction of Romulus. And I have to say seeing Kirk come onto the bridge in the gold tunic at the end was just awesome. I marked out like a little kid when I saw that. I had my concerns about what Abrams and Co. were going to so but they knocked out of the park. I'll definitely watch it again. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, ravenadal  wrote: Okay, Martin, I was with you all the way up to the Gabrielle Union in the old school Uhura uniform comment but, to paraphrase Ozzie Osbourne, you have just taken a ride on the bloody crazy train! (Uh, gentlemen, that Gabrielle Union home delivery of the DVD IS something I might be interested in!) ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : Cââ¬â¢mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifino
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] topic: A military analysis of Star Trek
In the prequel comic series Countdown it was explained that the ship was upgraded using Borg tech. The Romulans found a Borg cube with no living drones and managed to reverse engineer some of their tech including some of the weaponry and the adaptive ability of the Borg ships. That would go a long way in explaining why its weaponry went through TOS era shielding as if it didn't exist. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Looks like a somewhat sound analysis. One problem that the author fails to take into account, though. The Romulan ship is from the future. Its tech, ergo, is going to be head-and-shoulders above anything Starfleet can throw at it (unless the timeline alteration also handed them a massive upgrade int hat department, that is). It would probably take a concerted effort by everything 'Fleet had to throw at it. It's the only way they were able to stave off the Borg, the Dominion and the Breen until they were able to gain a technological advantage. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] topic: A military analysis of Star Trek Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 21:58:17 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is a pretty interesting look at the movie. What do you think? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/star-trek-a-military-analysis/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] topic: A military analysis of Star Trek
I know the article was tongue in cheek but a some of his facts were off. The Kelvin and Enterprise both used their phaser banks as point defense weapons but they were overwhelmed by what the Narada was firing at them. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: but Martin, i give the author credit on some of his points. the rumsfeld comment and the dhs were priceless! Fate. --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] topic: A military analysis of Star Trek To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:56 AM Looks like a somewhat sound analysis. One problem that the author fails to take into account, though. The Romulan ship is from the future. Its tech, ergo, is going to be head-and-shoulders above anything Starfleet can throw at it (unless the timeline alteration also handed them a massive upgrade int hat department, that is). It would probably take a concerted effort by everything 'Fleet had to throw at it. It's the only way they were able to stave off the Borg, the Dominion and the Breen until they were able to gain a technological advantage. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] topic: A military analysis of Star Trek Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 21:58:17 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com This is a pretty interesting look at the movie. What do you think? http://www.wired. com/dangerroom/ 2009/05/star- trek-a-military- analysis/ http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The First European
Incredible. Sadly some of the comments on that page went pretty much as expected. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: I'll comment once breath re-enters my body... Okay... there are those moments when the weight of history simply lands on your soul. This first happened to me when I visited Istanbul some years ago, and stood before the Blue Mosque there. As I gazed upon it, I realized that it had been standing there, already ancient, when our Founding Fathers first brought forth a new nation. conceived in liberty, and the thought literally rendered me immobile. My SO at the time had to take me back to our hotel, because I couldn't manage the task. I feel similarly stricken now... thank you, sin. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] The First European Date : Tue, 05 May 2009 19:35:12 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The first European: Created from fragments of fossil, the face of our forbears 35,000 years ago. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1177123/The-European-Created-fragments-fossil-face-forbears-35-000-years-ago.html This story works best with the photos, so click the link. You'll dig it... Sin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Watching Primeval on SciFi
Keith, You'll definitely enjoy where this ride is going. There a couple of huge twists coming up that will knock you flat. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: i totally concur with the sentiment. it is a pretty good show, and the actors look like co-workers of mine. i watch the first season last year on bbc on-demand. waiting on the new season. --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Watching Primeval on SciFi To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 8:02 AM Hit Send too soon... I also like the fact that the actors look more like real people, not all glam stars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Watching Primeval on SciFi Date : Sun, 3 May 2009 02:51:35 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Well, I will give SciFi credit for bringing Primeval to their Friday night lineup. I only watched a couple of shows on the BBC channel, but never got into it. However, I have watched since SciFi started airing the first season--pulled in by reruns of Moonlight, a show I once criticized, but have grown to really like as well. I'm not sure yet where Primeval is going, though from a cursory read of synopses on Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Primeval ), it seems that it gets more complex as time goes on. I do know that, like many British scifi shows, it has a different feeling, at times quirkier, yet more serious than most American scifi on TV. I like the characters, which again, unlike much American TV, aren't always chosen to be a bunch of Ken and Barbie doll lookalikes. British actors so often look more real to me, less enhanced, less like people who've been under the knife, the tanning lights, and at the gym all the time. Like I said, I don't know where it's going, but I'm enjoying the ride so far. And how ironic that, along with Moonlight- -a show, as Tracey said, too soon canceled--I actually now have two hours of unseen programming to enjoy on SciFi Friday nights! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
