Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Where do you find the abbreviated test? I took one long, long time ago 
and do not remember how I scored

Reece Jennings wrote:
> I just took an abbreviated Briggs-Meyers:
>  
> Your Type is 
> ISTJ  
> IntrovertedSensing ThinkingJudging
> Strength of the preferences % 
> 78 12  38  56 
>  
> Career choices:  Computer programmer, law enforcement, Management...
> Wow!
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
>   _  
>
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 5:57 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>
>
> Keith, I go to malls for the same reason you do airports, for the
> people-watching. But I don't interact with anyone, even the people I go
> there with.
>
> KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote: ever
> had a Meyers-Briggs analysis done on you? You sound like an introvert, which
> is not, as some think, a 'wall flower". Simply means you get a lot of energy
> internally, that you like to analyze things. Extroverts simply get more
> energy externally, from other people, but doesn't mean they're always
> running around with lamp shades on their heads at parties. I'm a strong
> extrovert: going to the mall on Black Friday gets me pumped and hyper like a
> kid. I'm never bored in an airport 'cause I almost OD on watching people. I
> do have difficulty not speaking into silence (you called it talking just to
> talk). But by the same token, once my batteries are charged, I have to get
> away from people to think and analyze or write. But then I have to be back
> among the mading crowd.
>
> I've taken Meyers Briggs tests three times. I'm a strong ENFP: 
>
> Extroverted - Getting psychic/mental/emotional/spiritual energy from others
> instead of internally (as opposed to Introverted, getting energy from
> within)
> Intuitive - making lots of leaps in thought and creativity based on the gut
> or inspiration (as opposed to Sensers, who need hard facts to fuel the
> process)
> Feeling - ruled by emotions and passions, going with what feels right (as
> opposed to Thinkers, who analyze things and tend to rely on logic more)
> Perceiving - filter the world based on what I feel and how things should be
> (right and wrong), wanting to fluidly adjust circumstances to individuals'
> needs, strongly ruled by a sense of "right" (as opposed to Judgers, who tend
> to be more rigid, less focused on "right" and "wrong" , but on what's "fair"
> for all, tending to want a set of rules that apply as well as possible to
> the masses, with little emotion to change them. not prone to want to change
> laws or rules willy-nilly)
>
> so of course, being fueled by emotions and passions and feelings, and a
> cosmic sense of right and wrong, I majored in electrical engineering in
> college and now work as a network administrator. According to all tests (and
> my feelings) i should have been a writer, journalist, musician, public
> relations person--or a minister.
>
> Which is why I wrtie more posts than anyone except maybe Martin, why I'm
> long winded, why I'm always ranting about something being "wrong" in the
> universe. :)
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  .com 
> The Wife and I are strikingly different. She is a heavy extrovert and
> prone to being the life of a party. Her skills as a former model,
> multiple pageant winner, on-air personality (radio), television host, etc.
> make it seem effortless. She turns it "on" like flicking a switch at
> parties and public events.
>
> I prefer to be behind the scenes a bit more. In the office, I have to
> make an effort to self-promote as my natural tendency is to let my work
> speak for itself while I get trampled by those who underperform, yet have
> mastered the art of self-promotion (I believe Keith posted similar
> sentiments a few months ago). Through my websites and as a media contact
> for Veterans for Common Sense, I've done several TV and radio appearances
> and a lot of print media interviews, but only reluctantly. I've turned
> down more than I've accepted. I much prefer to let my written words speak
> for me via my writings. Over the next few years, I'll be putting out a
> book related to some of advocacy work, which will require active PR and
> appearances. (sigh)
>
> At social events, while The Wife is "on" and entertaining, I prefer to
> relax in a quiet corner, nursing my drink with a friend or two. I'm the
> guy you think is not having fun, but I'm really analyzing the guests and
> storing data about who I've met or talked with that night. At h

Re: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

How much are they paying you?

Reece Jennings wrote:
> I choose to love a couple of them!  Microsoft and Comcast!
> LOVE-LOVE-LOVE-LOVE!!! 
>
>
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>  
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:35 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator
>
> Maurice.  We gotta reprogram you.  Microsoft leads the way with big
> egotistical companies
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> And I just noticed that you tossed in Microsoft-in-the-head... where's
>> 
> that danged vomiting smiley when you need it?
>   
>> Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The big companies
>> 
> are so egotistic. They don't ask what we like. They just
>   
>> give us what they want to sell. Screw them. Except for Microsoft and 
>> Comcast!
>>
>> LOLLOL!!!
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => 
>> http://www.legacyhomesavers.com <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
>> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of ravenadal
>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:27 AM
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator
>>
>> I have always hated Microsoft Explorer (I currently use Firefox) but I 
>> was big Netscape fan until AOL bought it and did what it did to Time 
>> Warner.
>>
>> ~(no)rave!
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.
>> <http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html>
>> com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html
>>
>> AOL Pulls Plug on Netscape Web Browser
>>
>> Friday, December 28, 2007
>>
>> By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer
>>
>> NEW YORK -
>> Netscape Navigator, the world's first commercial Web browser and the 
>> launch pad of the Internet boom, will be pulled off life support Feb.
>> 1 after a 13-year run.
>>
>> Its current caretakers, Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, decided to kill 
>> further development and technical support to focus on growing the 
>> company as an advertising business. Netscape's usage dwindled with 
>> Microsoft Corp.'s entry into the browser business, and Netscape all 
>> but faded away following the birth of its open-source cousin, Firefox.
>>
>> "While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time 
>> and energy in attempting to revive Netscape Navigator, these efforts 
>> have not been successful in gaining market share from Microsoft's 
>> Internet Explorer," Netscape Director Tom Drapeau wrote in a blog 
>> entry Friday.
>>
>> In recent years, Netscape has been little more than a repackaged 
>> version of the more popular Firefox, which commands about 10 percent 
>> of the Web browser market, with almost all of the rest going to 
>> Internet Explorer.
>>
>> People will still be able to download and use the Netscape browser 
>> indefinitely, but AOL will stop releasing security and other updates 
>> on Feb. 1. Drapeau recommended that the small pool of Netscape users 
>> download Firefox instead.
>>
>> A separate Netscape Web portal, which has had several incarnations in 
>> recent years, will continue to operate.
>>
>> The World Wide Web was but a few years old when in April 1993 a team 
>> at the University of Illinois' National Center for Supercomputing 
>> Applications released Mosaic, the first Web browser to integrate 
>> images and sound with words. Before Mosaic, access to the Internet and 
>> the Web was largely limited to text, with any graphics displayed in 
>> separate windows.
>>
>> Marc Andreessen and many of his university colleagues soon left to 
>> form a company tasked with commercializing the browser. The first 
>> version of Netscape came out in late 1994.
>>
>> Netscape fed the gold-rush atmosphere with a landmark initial public 
>> offering of stock in August 1995. Netscape's stock carried a 
>> then-steep IPO price of $28 per share,

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I was thinking about Uncle Jed today.  When I heard that, I was 
crushed.  Same thing with him, try as I might, I can not hate him

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> the problem comes in when good hearted people with good intentions do 
> horrible things--which i think is probably the greater problem in humanity 
> than that caused by truly "evil" men doing evil things. I really don't 
> believe the likes of Heston or Stewart hate people; at least, not in the way 
> a Klansman might hate me. They honestly think their worldview is better for 
> everyone--me included. Again, it's the well-meaning people who rule us with 
> well-intentioned force that's the problem.
>
> By the way, add Buddy Ebsen to that group of extreme conservatives. Don't 
> know if you knew this, but the lady who played Miss Jane on "The Beverly 
> Hillbillies" --Nancy Kulp--ran for Congress as a Democrat from Pennsylvania. 
> Without warning her, Ebsen taped a radio ad for her Republican opponent. The 
> ad ended with the line, "I love you Nancy, but you're too liberal for me". 
> Culp was defeated by a 2-to-1 vote. This was in the Reagan years, and her 
> liberalism and probably known lifestyle (Kulp was gay) probably would have 
> lost her the election anyway, but Ebsen's backstabbing betrayal devastated 
> Culp.  I had a hard time thinking of Uncle Jed/Barnaby Miller the same way 
> after that.
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> That's what I read, but I did not know whether it had been updated. 
> Since reading the Wikipedia profile, at least I understand why I have 
> liked him and why it is so hard to let go. The man was a card 
> carrying,outspoken liberal for years. It also shed like on another star 
> I've admired who was all the way to the right... Jimmy Stewart. It 
> seems the same thing happened to him. It still saddens me that Heston 
> got so ugly in his old age
>
> Bosco Bosco wrote:
>   
>> Not necessarily, According to the IMDB. He's still alive:
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm032/bio
>>
>> and Wikipedia as well
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleton_Heston
>>
>>
>> --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>> He's dead? I had know idea
>>>
>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> I don't know...I do know he's dead now...
>>>>
>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hasn't he
>>> retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> NRA...
>>>>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>> one...
>>>
>>>   
>>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>>> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>> has taken this into real life.
>>>
>>>   
>>>>> "From my cold dead fingers." Ring a bell?
>>>>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen "The Omega Man"
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>> on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie,
>>> and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times
>>> in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way?
>>> In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the
>>> Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of
>>> the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff
>>> the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El
>>> Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his
>>> body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his
>>> men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles...
>>>
>>>   
>>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>>> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>>> I am a big

Re: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Programmers do not like Vista as Microsoft, so why is the public 
supposed to?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> a good friend of mine has been working with Linux for the last three years 
> and puts it on all laptops and desktops he has. My goal for this winter is to 
> build two computers. One i will keep as a Windows machine simply for ease of 
> storing existing files.  Probably keep it as XP, 'casue i don't care for 
> Vista. The real goal, though, is to build a Linux box.
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I used Netscape for about a month, walked away from it because I didn't ahve 
> the common sense that Deity gave little green apples (i.e. knowing that 
> Microsoft-in-the-head was jsut that). Now, I used Firefox, and will be 
> bouncing out of XP as soon as I can afford to buy another OS.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Same here
>
> ravenadal wrote:
>   
>> I have always hated Microsoft Explorer (I currently use Firefox) but I
>> was big Netscape fan until AOL bought it and did what it did to Time
>> Warner.
>>
>> ~(no)rave!
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html
>>
>> AOL Pulls Plug on Netscape Web Browser
>>
>> Friday, December 28, 2007
>>
>> By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer
>>
>> NEW YORK --- 
>> Netscape Navigator, the world's first commercial Web browser and the
>> launch pad of the Internet boom, will be pulled off life support Feb.
>> 1 after a 13-year run.
>>
>> Its current caretakers, Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, decided to kill
>> further development and technical support to focus on growing the
>> company as an advertising business. Netscape's usage dwindled with
>> Microsoft Corp.'s entry into the browser business, and Netscape all
>> but faded away following the birth of its open-source cousin, Firefox.
>>
>> "While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time
>> and energy in attempting to revive Netscape Navigator, these efforts
>> have not been successful in gaining market share from Microsoft's
>> Internet Explorer," Netscape Director Tom Drapeau wrote in a blog
>> entry Friday.
>>
>> In recent years, Netscape has been little more than a repackaged
>> version of the more popular Firefox, which commands about 10 percent
>> of the Web browser market, with almost all of the rest going to
>> Internet Explorer.
>>
>> People will still be able to download and use the Netscape browser
>> indefinitely, but AOL will stop releasing security and other updates
>> on Feb. 1. Drapeau recommended that the small pool of Netscape users
>> download Firefox instead.
>>
>> A separate Netscape Web portal, which has had several incarnations in
>> recent years, will continue to operate.
>>
>> The World Wide Web was but a few years old when in April 1993 a team
>> at the University of Illinois' National Center for Supercomputing
>> Applications released Mosaic, the first Web browser to integrate
>> images and sound with words. Before Mosaic, access to the Internet and
>> the Web was largely limited to text, with any graphics displayed in
>> separate windows.
>>
>> Marc Andreessen and many of his university colleagues soon left to
>> form a company tasked with commercializing the browser. The first
>> version of Netscape came out in late 1994.
>>
>> Netscape fed the gold-rush atmosphere with a landmark initial public
>> offering of stock in August 1995. Netscape's stock carried a
>> then-steep IPO price of $28 per share, a price that doubled on opening
>> day to give the startup a $2 billion market value even though it had
>> only $20 million in sales.
>>
>> But Netscape's success also drew the attention of Microsoft, which
>> quickly won market share by giving away its Internet Explorer browser
>> for free with its flagship Windows operating system. The bundling
>> prompted a Justice Department antitrust lawsuit and later a settlement
>> with Microsoft.
>>
>> Netscape eventually dropped fees for the software, but it was too
>> late. Undone by IE, Netscape sold itself to AOL in a $10 billion deal
>> completed in early 1999.
>>
>> Netscape spawned an open-source project called Mozilla, in which
>> developers from around the world freely contribute to writing and
>> testing the software. Mozilla released its standalone browser,
>> Firefox, and Netscape was never able to regai

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I would be surprised if someone already pitched it. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> agreed. especially when the remake is inferiour (Planet of the Apes).
> I just had a nightmare thought:  what if someone tries to remake "Blade 
> Runner" some day???
>
> -- Original message ------ 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> Gattaca is one of my favorites. This trend of remakes and adaptations 
>> is scary. While I often enjoy some of the final productions, it smacks 
>> of a trend of decreasing use of creativity in movie making and TV 
>> production. I fear movies created from original scripts may be a thing 
>> of the past 
>>
>> maidmarian_thepoet wrote: 
>> 
>>> Not a whole lot for me. I want something more involved than comic 
>>> book heroes. Nevertheless, I picked a few for nostalgia sake. In 
>>> fact, most of these picks are based on nostalgia. Maybe someday some 
>>> one will write a movie as literate as say, Gattaca, was. 
>>>
>>>
>>> The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian 
>>> Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 
>>> The Dark Knight 
>>> Hancock 
>>> The Dark Knight 
>>> Watchmen 
>>> The Hobbit 
>>>
>>> Since the market is based on young men, a lot of the others may hit big. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
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>
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>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I don't even bother.  I watched about four times when they first started 
their movies.  Even the ones with good genre actors were bad.  After 
hearing reviews both on the list and around the web, I believe all of 
them are bad, so why waste any time hoping for a good campy b-movie.  
What I do not get, is if they are going to mass produce like this, and 
quality is not a priority, why not use it as an opportunity to discover 
tomorrow's science fiction and fantasy film makers.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> you haven't lived 'til you've seen "Chupacabra" or one of the many bad-CGI 
> films like "Doom Troopers" or "Gargoyles"
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Strong??? I don't even have to put any effort in avoiding that crap...All I 
> have to do is see a bug or psychotic animal and I'm watching the History 
> Channel...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> You have to be strong, know it will be bad, REAL BAD, VERY VERY BAD, and 
> do not even consider watching the so-called "most dangerous night on 
> television". It is only dangerous for your love of the genre. It is 
> rarely even b-movie, campy, funny bad. It is chronic, kill your love of 
> campy, funny B-movies. These are W-Movies. Their star ratings on a 
> scale of 1 to 5 are usually negative -2 or even lower. There are no 
> exceptions. I know each time you hope there will be that one rare gem, 
> but it will not happen.
>
> Now, repeat after me...
> I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
> I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
> I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> Sci Fi has turned me off to just about all flicks involving animals or 
>> insects
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Even so, I like shows with sea monsters
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Oh- by this I do *not* mean octopi...
>>>
>>> Martin wrote: Only a handful of monster flicks have scared me, and they all 
>>> have one common element.
>>>
>>> Hideous eight-legged creatures.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I found script 
>>> reviews, but avoided them for the same reason. I want to 
>>> know more, but I do not want it spoiled for me. Guest what. I think I'm 
>>> actually going to venture out to the theater for this one. While I used 
>>> to go over my friends house every Saturday afternoon to hang out with 
>>> the gang and watch the Japanese monster genre, I felt they were silly 
>>> too. Looking back it seems they likely launch my movie night. It was 
>>> for the company. Most monster flicks do not scare me. 
>>>
>>> Abrams and Goddard have scared me in the past and that trailer is out of 
>>> this world, so I'm psyched. I couldn't even finish Rob Zombie's movie, 
>>> so if that is the best the US can do, we need to go back to film 
>>> school. There are a few gothic horrors (vampires, ghosts, 
>>> shapeshifters, mummies, etc) I like, but frequently, I've tuned in for 
>>> the character development as well as the chills and thrills
>>>
>>> I have not seen the Host, but thanks to you, I just added it to my 
>>> Netflix que
>>>
>>> I used to think Japan was into the mutant monsters because of the Atomic 
>>> bomb experience. But I have no idea
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know 
>>>> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. 
>>>> Having come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll 
>>>> wait until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be 
>>>> surprised. I'll read some more about the movie, though.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something 
>>>> that's long languished in America. It never really took off on the level 
>>>> of truly scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, 
>>>> frightening Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with 
>>>> Raymond Burr, hear the origi

Re: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Maurice.  We gotta reprogram you.  Microsoft leads the way with big 
egotistical companies

Martin wrote:
> And I just noticed that you tossed in Microsoft-in-the-head... where's that 
> danged vomiting smiley when you need it?
>
> Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The big companies are so 
> egotistic. They don't ask what we like. They just
> give us what they want to sell. Screw them. Except for Microsoft and
> Comcast!
>
> LOLLOL!!!
>
> Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>  
>
>
>
>
> _ 
>
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator
>
> I have always hated Microsoft Explorer (I currently use Firefox) but I
> was big Netscape fan until AOL bought it and did what it did to Time
> Warner.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> http://www.foxnews.
> 
> com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html
>
> AOL Pulls Plug on Netscape Web Browser
>
> Friday, December 28, 2007
>
> By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer
>
> NEW YORK - 
> Netscape Navigator, the world's first commercial Web browser and the
> launch pad of the Internet boom, will be pulled off life support Feb.
> 1 after a 13-year run.
>
> Its current caretakers, Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, decided to kill
> further development and technical support to focus on growing the
> company as an advertising business. Netscape's usage dwindled with
> Microsoft Corp.'s entry into the browser business, and Netscape all
> but faded away following the birth of its open-source cousin, Firefox.
>
> "While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time
> and energy in attempting to revive Netscape Navigator, these efforts
> have not been successful in gaining market share from Microsoft's
> Internet Explorer," Netscape Director Tom Drapeau wrote in a blog
> entry Friday.
>
> In recent years, Netscape has been little more than a repackaged
> version of the more popular Firefox, which commands about 10 percent
> of the Web browser market, with almost all of the rest going to
> Internet Explorer.
>
> People will still be able to download and use the Netscape browser
> indefinitely, but AOL will stop releasing security and other updates
> on Feb. 1. Drapeau recommended that the small pool of Netscape users
> download Firefox instead.
>
> A separate Netscape Web portal, which has had several incarnations in
> recent years, will continue to operate.
>
> The World Wide Web was but a few years old when in April 1993 a team
> at the University of Illinois' National Center for Supercomputing
> Applications released Mosaic, the first Web browser to integrate
> images and sound with words. Before Mosaic, access to the Internet and
> the Web was largely limited to text, with any graphics displayed in
> separate windows.
>
> Marc Andreessen and many of his university colleagues soon left to
> form a company tasked with commercializing the browser. The first
> version of Netscape came out in late 1994.
>
> Netscape fed the gold-rush atmosphere with a landmark initial public
> offering of stock in August 1995. Netscape's stock carried a
> then-steep IPO price of $28 per share, a price that doubled on opening
> day to give the startup a $2 billion market value even though it had
> only $20 million in sales.
>
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> completed in early 1999.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

While I'm no fan of comcrap, send it to me as well.  Please.

Tracey
> Reece, I'm going to send you something I sent Astro a few days back about the 
> chairman of Comcrap that just might change your mind...
>
> Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The big companies are so 
> egotistic. They don't ask what we like. They just
> give us what they want to sell. Screw them. Except for Microsoft and
> Comcast!
>
> LOLLOL!!!
>
> Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator
>
> I have always hated Microsoft Explorer (I currently use Firefox) but I
> was big Netscape fan until AOL bought it and did what it did to Time
> Warner.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> http://www.foxnews.
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> com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html
>
> AOL Pulls Plug on Netscape Web Browser
>
> Friday, December 28, 2007
>
> By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer
>
> NEW YORK - 
> Netscape Navigator, the world's first commercial Web browser and the
> launch pad of the Internet boom, will be pulled off life support Feb.
> 1 after a 13-year run.
>
> Its current caretakers, Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, decided to kill
> further development and technical support to focus on growing the
> company as an advertising business. Netscape's usage dwindled with
> Microsoft Corp.'s entry into the browser business, and Netscape all
> but faded away following the birth of its open-source cousin, Firefox.
>
> "While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time
> and energy in attempting to revive Netscape Navigator, these efforts
> have not been successful in gaining market share from Microsoft's
> Internet Explorer," Netscape Director Tom Drapeau wrote in a blog
> entry Friday.
>
> In recent years, Netscape has been little more than a repackaged
> version of the more popular Firefox, which commands about 10 percent
> of the Web browser market, with almost all of the rest going to
> Internet Explorer.
>
> People will still be able to download and use the Netscape browser
> indefinitely, but AOL will stop releasing security and other updates
> on Feb. 1. Drapeau recommended that the small pool of Netscape users
> download Firefox instead.
>
> A separate Netscape Web portal, which has had several incarnations in
> recent years, will continue to operate.
>
> The World Wide Web was but a few years old when in April 1993 a team
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

One of the things that appeals to me about Seattle is that there are 
lots of independent coffee houses where the self-employed (writers 
included) seem to work.  Out in the suburbs there are all Starbucks--its 
not the same.  Anyway, when we move  I'm going to try working at a few 
of the coffee houses sometimes to break out the monotony

I understand your circumstances.  Seattle is one of the few places where 
mortgages are going up. $600,000 for a small townhouse is the going 
rate.  I'm going to rent for a while and seek out fixer upper, 
investment rental properties in areas that are up and coming, but not 
where i would not to live.  I used to rent out flip houses with my dad 
after we rehabbed them when he was alive.  Long ago my husband used to 
be a contractor.  We are in for some serious times with the real estate 
market and banking, and I do not want to be a victim of that.  Once 
things calm down, or if we find a fixer upper in the right areas,  then 
we would buy.  unfortunately, with employment growing here, the Lake 
being so deep, traveling on the highway  is a nightmare that is only 
going to get worse.  So being close to town is no longer an advantage.  
While there all people from all over the world living out here, the 
religious right seem to rule out side with the liberal leading in town.  
People are friendly in town and reserved outside.  Strange area.  Like 
my neighbors though

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i feel you. When i take days off i rarely spend all day at the house. I will 
> work in the yard for a while, maybe do some chores. But after a few hours i 
> get lonely and need to be around people. So I always go to the gym and take 
> classes, then meet a friend for lunch, or my wife. Or, i'll just go to the 
> bookstore or the park to be around people. although i love to write, i don't 
> often write in solitude. I like to go to a coffee shop or the park and write. 
> that's one reason i don't like watching movies at home only. i really miss 
> interacting with people at the theatre.
>
> I think some of this is because i was often very lonely as a child. but a lot 
> of it is due to my personality. I really am a strong extrovert.
>
> As for where you live, i pay a hell of a lot more mortgage for living IP 
> (Inside the Perimeter, the loop around Atlanta) than I'd pay if I lived in 
> the suburbs. The main issue was quality of life: I like the diversity closer 
> in, the proximity to malls and theatres and downtown (though I'm ten miles 
> away from the city), and the better choices in roads. In the 'burbs, there's 
> usually only one or two roads that one can take to get to the city, and they 
> often get clogged and backed  up. Living closer in, one has more choices of 
> taking surface, residential streets to get around. My wife doesn't like 
> driving on the freeway much, and we can get all the way to downtown Atlanta 
> without ever getting on the freeway. if we lived in the 'burbs, she'd have to 
> get on congested roads every day. I'd lie to live truly down closer to the 
> city, but a house the size of the one i have now (2300 square feet), in the 
> same condition (1981) would cost half a million on the low end
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> You know, after a decade of working at home, I really enjoyed my stint 
> at Merrill Lynch and sometimes think about going in to work a Microsoft 
> once I'm well. I loved the interaction with the people and the laid 
> back atmosphere of the IT department. I still miss that and them. It 
> was a fun place before O'Neal's influence could be felt. It puts you on 
> on a social auto-pilot that you hinted at below that is difficult to 
> maintain when you are self-employed, and are not required to go out. 
> Right now, I live in the suburbs because my husband wanted to be able to 
> reach me if I had an emergency and was incapacitated. Also its cheaper 
> out here and we had to live off one salary during me illness. However, 
> I've been trying to explain to my Mom that why we want to move to an 
> active part of the city is because it is easier to roll out of bed and 
> do things. In the past, if I had easy access to activities, I stayed 
> more social. If it required a lot of effort to get through, eventually 
> I would stop the activity. 
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>> Having to go to work everyday helped me, as there are some folks there I'm 
>> able to talk and joke with (none in my immediate group, unfortunately). 
>> Having gone through this before with my dad's death, and during a period 
>> when I was unemployed for a few months, I literally 

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

ooo!  I feel the chills.

Astromancer wrote:
> Or the Candy Man...
>
> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I will not watch the SciFi 
> Channel's "most dangerous night on television".
>
> I'd say it more than once, but I'm afraid of the Beetlejuice Effect...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have to be strong, know it will be bad, REAL BAD, VERY VERY BAD, and 
> do not even consider watching the so-called "most dangerous night on 
> television". It is only dangerous for your love of the genre. It is 
> rarely even b-movie, campy, funny bad. It is chronic, kill your love of 
> campy, funny B-movies. These are W-Movies. Their star ratings on a 
> scale of 1 to 5 are usually negative -2 or even lower. There are no 
> exceptions. I know each time you hope there will be that one rare gem, 
> but it will not happen.
>
> Now, repeat after me...
> I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
> I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
> I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> Sci Fi has turned me off to just about all flicks involving animals or 
>> insects
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Even so, I like shows with sea monsters
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Oh- by this I do *not* mean octopi...
>>>
>>> Martin wrote: Only a handful of monster flicks have scared me, and they all 
>>> have one common element.
>>>
>>> Hideous eight-legged creatures.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I found script 
>>> reviews, but avoided them for the same reason. I want to 
>>> know more, but I do not want it spoiled for me. Guest what. I think I'm 
>>> actually going to venture out to the theater for this one. While I used 
>>> to go over my friends house every Saturday afternoon to hang out with 
>>> the gang and watch the Japanese monster genre, I felt they were silly 
>>> too. Looking back it seems they likely launch my movie night. It was 
>>> for the company. Most monster flicks do not scare me. 
>>>
>>> Abrams and Goddard have scared me in the past and that trailer is out of 
>>> this world, so I'm psyched. I couldn't even finish Rob Zombie's movie, 
>>> so if that is the best the US can do, we need to go back to film 
>>> school. There are a few gothic horrors (vampires, ghosts, 
>>> shapeshifters, mummies, etc) I like, but frequently, I've tuned in for 
>>> the character development as well as the chills and thrills
>>>
>>> I have not seen the Host, but thanks to you, I just added it to my 
>>> Netflix que
>>>
>>> I used to think Japan was into the mutant monsters because of the Atomic 
>>> bomb experience. But I have no idea
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know 
>>>> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. 
>>>> Having come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll 
>>>> wait until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be 
>>>> surprised. I'll read some more about the movie, though.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something 
>>>> that's long languished in America. It never really took off on the level 
>>>> of truly scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, 
>>>> frightening Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with 
>>>> Raymond Burr, hear the original Japanese version is better) I can't think 
>>>> of many giant monster flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads 
>>>> of giant monster pics, of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All 
>>>> Monsters to King Kong. But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, 
>>>> entertaining, or plain silly (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can 
>>>> recall being afraid of the man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it. 
>>>>
>>>> I hear the movie "The Host" was really good, but it didn't do big box 
>>>> office here. It only did t

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I do not think fans want literate work anymoreat least not the 
target they are after. Have you ever heard comments, like the story is 
too hard to follow or too complicated, or there was too much talking, 
not enough action? 

Martin wrote:
> Mine, too. I wonder again why no one in H'Wood has picked up on the fact that 
> what fans want is literate work.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Gattaca is one of my favorites. This trend of remakes and adaptations 
> is scary. While I often enjoy some of the final productions, it smacks 
> of a trend of decreasing use of creativity in movie making and TV 
> production. I fear movies created from original scripts may be a thing 
> of the past
>
> maidmarian_thepoet wrote:
>   
>> Not a whole lot for me. I want something more involved than comic
>> book heroes. Nevertheless, I picked a few for nostalgia sake. In
>> fact, most of these picks are based on nostalgia. Maybe someday some
>> one will write a movie as literate as say, Gattaca, was.
>>
>>
>> The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian
>> Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
>> The Dark Knight
>> Hancock
>> The Dark Knight
>> Watchmen
>> The Hobbit
>>
>> Since the market is based on young men, a lot of the others may hit big. 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

That's what I read,  but I did not know whether it had been updated.  
Since reading the Wikipedia profile, at least I understand why I have 
liked him and why it is so hard to let go.  The man was a card 
carrying,outspoken liberal for years.  It also shed like on another star 
I've admired who was all the way to the right... Jimmy Stewart.  It 
seems the same thing happened to him. It still saddens me that Heston 
got so ugly in his old age

Bosco Bosco wrote:
> Not necessarily, According to the IMDB. He's still alive:
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm032/bio
>
> and Wikipedia  as well
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleton_Heston
>
>
> --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> He's dead?  I had know idea
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know...I do know he's dead now...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>   
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hasn't he
>> retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?
>> 
>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> NRA...
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that
>>>> 
>> one...
>> 
>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston
>>>> 
>> has taken this into real life.
>> 
>>>> "From my cold dead fingers." Ring a bell?
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen "The Omega Man"
>>>> 
>> on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie,
>> and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times
>> in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way?
>> In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the
>> Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of
>> the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff
>> the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El
>> Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his
>> body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his
>> men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles...
>> 
>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>> I am a big fan of "Omega Man." The late, great Rosalind Cash
>>>> 
>> plays 
>> 
>>>> the "sassy black girl." Although she remains too thin for my
>>>> 
>> taste, in 
>> 
>>>> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho
>>>> 
>> nuff ruled 
>> 
>>>> my world. 
>>>>
>>>> ~rave!
>>>>
>>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street"
>>>> 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via
>>>>>   
>> Netflix.
>> 
>>>>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk
>>>>>   
>> girl
>> 
>>>>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>>>>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am
>>>>>   
>> Legend is
>> 
>>>>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes
>>>>>   
>> with The
>> 
>>>>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a
>>>>>   
>> really good
>> 
>>>>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people
>>>>>   
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>> 
>>>>> nuts.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

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He's dead?  I had know idea

Astromancer wrote:
> I don't know...I do know he's dead now...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hasn't he retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> NRA...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that one...
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken 
>> this into real life.
>>
>> "From my cold dead fingers." Ring a bell?
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen "The Omega Man" on network TV, so 
>> that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the 
>> ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but 
>> in a noble, martyr-like way? In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much 
>> as Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in 
>> one of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the 
>> Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he 
>> dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on 
>> the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh 
>> at Heston in such roles...
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> I am a big fan of "Omega Man." The late, great Rosalind Cash plays 
>> the "sassy black girl." Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 
>> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled 
>> my world. 
>>
>> ~rave!
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix.
>>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl
>>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is
>>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The
>>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good
>>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go
>>> nuts.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Gattaca is one of my favorites.  This trend of remakes and adaptations 
is scary.  While I often enjoy some of the final productions, it smacks 
of a trend of decreasing use of creativity in movie making and TV 
production.  I fear movies created from original scripts may be a thing 
of the past

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> Not a whole lot for me.  I want something more involved than comic
> book heroes.  Nevertheless, I picked a few for nostalgia sake.  In
> fact, most of these picks are based on nostalgia.  Maybe someday some
> one will write a movie as literate as say, Gattaca, was.
>
>
> The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian
> Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
> The Dark Knight
> Hancock
> The Dark Knight
> Watchmen
> The Hobbit
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

You know, after a decade of working at home, I really enjoyed my stint 
at Merrill Lynch and sometimes think about going in to work a Microsoft 
once I'm well.  I loved the interaction with the people and the laid 
back atmosphere of the IT department.  I still miss that and them.  It 
was a fun place before O'Neal's influence could be felt.  It puts you on 
on a social auto-pilot that you hinted at below that is difficult to 
maintain when you are self-employed, and are not required to go out.  
Right now, I live in the suburbs because my husband wanted to be able to 
reach me if I had an emergency and was incapacitated.  Also its cheaper 
out here and we had to live off one salary during me illness.  However, 
I've been trying to explain to my Mom that why we want to move to an 
active part of the city is because it is easier to roll out of bed and 
do things.  In the past, if I had easy access to activities, I stayed 
more social.  If it required a lot of effort to get through, eventually 
I would stop the activity. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Having to go to work everyday helped me, as there are some folks there I'm 
> able to talk and joke with (none in my immediate group, unfortunately).  
> Having gone through this before with my dad's death, and during a period when 
> I was unemployed for a few months, I literally have been forcing myself to 
> get up and out: going to movies, bookstores, going out to eat, hitting the 
> gym.   Christmas was the worst, because this is the first Christmas in a 
> decade where I couldn't go back to Texas to be with family (had to work). it 
> was sad and lonely being here in Atlanta, but again I forced myself to smile 
> when I wanted to cry, to laugh when I wanted to yell.
>
> Having this group to talk to about stuff really helps too-more than you'd 
> believe.
>
> ---------- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I have struggled against the recluse thing ever since I had a lot of 
> death in my immediate family. It is a hard habit to break. Fortunately 
> during my worse periods I had pushy friends and family. Getting married 
> and having a kid has forced me to resist these urges too. I do not want 
> to inflict it on them.
>
> Reece Jennings wrote:
>   
>> I hear you!
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _ 
>>
>> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Astromancer
>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:31 AM
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>>
>>
>> I am becoming a hardcore recluse...I really don't like going out any more...
>>
>> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
>> wrote: I hear you. I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either. I'm
>> a party voyeur...
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com
>> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> 
>>
>> _ 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Martin
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>> No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one round
>> to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner to
>> cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's
>> taken me to find three people like myself.
>>
>> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
>> wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be the
>> one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling
>> different from others? 
>>
>> I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>>
>> Maurice Je

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn/Charleston Heston

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

That explains a lot.  I remember thinking he was liberal while growing 
up.  No body was hiring us in Hollywood, yet he always did, with meaty, 
meaningful roles. So when he became a right wing nut, I was shocked.  I 
really tried to hate him, but after years of being a fan, it was 
difficult.  I just ended up pretty much ambivalent.  Thanks for posting 
this, at least now I have aa better understanding about the source of my 
ambivilance

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You know, i've always liked Heston. Yeah, he's a conservative, and his NRA 
> rhetoric got on my nerves. But he is one of those old-school actors who 
> always said what he felt. He didn't dissemble or demure for fear of damaging 
> his career and rep: he told it like it was. Heston did a wide range of films, 
> being fortunate enough to work back in the days when Biblical epics were 
> considered as valid as cop dramas. And he crossed into scifi at a time when 
> some major stars shied away from it as too silly for them.
> Heston also spoke out against segregation and racism when he was younger, 
> back when many stars refused to get involved. He marched with Dr. King. (see 
> wiki entry below). Now later in life he became more conservative, attacked 
> "political correctness", and was against affirmative action. I think like a 
> lot of white guys, the reality of having to *work* for a *long time* to 
> ensure equality was more and scarier than he thought when he was marching and 
> speaking out. (Lot of white folk have fatigue with our issues; i guess they 
> think 30 years of half-ass equality more than makes up for going on 400 years 
> of oppression).
>
> Despite his swing to the right, though, I still like Heston. I guess he seems 
> like one of those old school "real men" whose attitudes i often abhor, but 
> whose courage and forthrightness i can respect. If only their powers could be 
> used for good and all...
>
> >From wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleton_Heston
> In his earlier years, Heston was a liberal Democrat, campaigning for 
> Presidential candidates Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960. 
> A civil rights activist, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. during the 
> civil rights march held in Washington, D.C. in 1963, even going so far as to 
> wear a sign that read "All Men Are Created Equal". Heston later claimed it a 
> point of pride that he helped in the civil rights cause "long before 
> Hollywood found it fashionable", as he often says in his speeches. Heston had 
> also planned to campaign for Lyndon Johnson, but was unable to do so when 
> filming on Major Dundee went over schedule. In 1968, following the 
> assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, Heston appeared on The Joey 
> Bishop Show and, along with fellow actors Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas and 
> James Stewart, called for public support for President Johnson's Gun Control 
> Act of 1968. He later claimed he was "young and foolish."[citation needed] In 
> 1969, Heston was asked by so
>  me Dem
> ocrats to run for the California State Senate, a move that would have likely 
> had bipartisan support in the state.[citation needed] He declined because he 
> wanted to continue acting.
> He was also an opponent of McCarthyism and racial segregation, which he saw 
> as only helping the cause of Communism worldwide. He opposed the Vietnam War 
> and considered Richard Nixon a disaster for America. He turned down John 
> Wayne's offer of a role in The Alamo, because the film was a right-wing 
> allegory for the Cold War. By the 1980s, however, Heston had began to support 
> more conservative positions on such issues as affirmative action and gun 
> rights. Heston changed his registration from Democrat to Republican. He has 
> campaigned for Republican candidates and Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. 
> W. Bush and George W. Bush.
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Sad :(
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Yes, Tracey, he has.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Hasn't he retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> NRA...
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that one...
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken 
>>> this into real life.
>>>
>>> "From my co

Re: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Same here

ravenadal wrote:
> I have always hated Microsoft Explorer (I currently use Firefox) but I
> was big Netscape fan until AOL bought it and did what it did to Time
> Warner.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html
>
> AOL Pulls Plug on Netscape Web Browser
>
> Friday, December 28, 2007
>
> By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer
>
> NEW YORK --- 
> Netscape Navigator, the world's first commercial Web browser and the
> launch pad of the Internet boom, will be pulled off life support Feb.
> 1 after a 13-year run.
>
> Its current caretakers, Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, decided to kill
> further development and technical support to focus on growing the
> company as an advertising business. Netscape's usage dwindled with
> Microsoft Corp.'s entry into the browser business, and Netscape all
> but faded away following the birth of its open-source cousin, Firefox.
>
> "While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time
> and energy in attempting to revive Netscape Navigator, these efforts
> have not been successful in gaining market share from Microsoft's
> Internet Explorer," Netscape Director Tom Drapeau wrote in a blog
> entry Friday.
>
> In recent years, Netscape has been little more than a repackaged
> version of the more popular Firefox, which commands about 10 percent
> of the Web browser market, with almost all of the rest going to
> Internet Explorer.
>
> People will still be able to download and use the Netscape browser
> indefinitely, but AOL will stop releasing security and other updates
> on Feb. 1. Drapeau recommended that the small pool of Netscape users
> download Firefox instead.
>
> A separate Netscape Web portal, which has had several incarnations in
> recent years, will continue to operate.
>
> The World Wide Web was but a few years old when in April 1993 a team
> at the University of Illinois' National Center for Supercomputing
> Applications released Mosaic, the first Web browser to integrate
> images and sound with words. Before Mosaic, access to the Internet and
> the Web was largely limited to text, with any graphics displayed in
> separate windows.
>
> Marc Andreessen and many of his university colleagues soon left to
> form a company tasked with commercializing the browser. The first
> version of Netscape came out in late 1994.
>
> Netscape fed the gold-rush atmosphere with a landmark initial public
> offering of stock in August 1995. Netscape's stock carried a
> then-steep IPO price of $28 per share, a price that doubled on opening
> day to give the startup a $2 billion market value even though it had
> only $20 million in sales.
>
> But Netscape's success also drew the attention of Microsoft, which
> quickly won market share by giving away its Internet Explorer browser
> for free with its flagship Windows operating system. The bundling
> prompted a Justice Department antitrust lawsuit and later a settlement
> with Microsoft.
>
> Netscape eventually dropped fees for the software, but it was too
> late. Undone by IE, Netscape sold itself to AOL in a $10 billion deal
> completed in early 1999.
>
> Netscape spawned an open-source project called Mozilla, in which
> developers from around the world freely contribute to writing and
> testing the software. Mozilla released its standalone browser,
> Firefox, and Netscape was never able to regain its former footing.
>
> Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
> material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>
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[scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Study Reveals Why Monkeys Shout During Sex]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I was jokingly complaining to my husband about no longer sending me any 
love notes via email.   Few minutes after reminding me that we are on 
the computer only one to two feet from each other he sent me this.  H

 Original Message 
Subject:RE: Study Reveals Why Monkeys Shout During Sex
Date:   Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0800
From:   Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rae
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'julia demorsella' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'paul
demorsella' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

*All in the name of science – hehehe*
 *http://www.livescience.com/animals/071218-monkey-call.html*
*Study Reveals Why Monkeys Shout During Sex*

By Charles Q. Choi , Special to LiveScience

Female monkeys may shout during sex to help their male partners climax,
research now reveals.

Without these yells, male Barbary macaques (//Macaca sylvanus//) almost
never ejaculated, scientists found.

Female monkeys often utter loud, distinctive calls before, during or
after sex .
Their exact function, if any, has remained heavily debated.

**Counting pelvic thrusts**

To investigate the purpose behind these calls, scientists at the German
Primate Center in Göttingen focused on Barbary macaques for two years in
a nature reserve in Gibraltar.

The researchers found that females yelled during 86 percent of all
sexual encounters. When females shouted, males ejaculated 59 percent of
the time. However, when females did not holler, males ejaculated
 less than 2
percent of the time.

To see if yelling resulted from how vigorous the sex was, the scientists
counted the number of pelvic thrusts males gave and timed when they
happened. They found when shouting occurred, thrusting increased. In
other words, hollering led to more vigorous sex
.

Counting monkey pelvic thrusts is admittedly "quite weird, but it's
science," researcher Dana Pfefferle, a behavioral scientist and
primatologist at the German Primate Center, told //LiveScience//. "You
get used to it."

**Quite promiscuous**

Male and female Barbary macaques
 are
promiscuous, often having sex with many partners. This means sperm
levels can get quite drained. The females shout when they are most
fertile, so males can make the most use of their sperm.

Pfefferle noted her research suggests these calls might also make
females more attractive to other males. She added these shouts might
play different roles in other species.

Pfefferle and her colleagues detailed their findings online Dec. 18 in
the journal //Proceedings of the Royal Society B//.






 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I can not stand him. I can not stand guns or right-wing load mouths like 
him.  Played with a gun at age five - thought it was a surprise gift (no 
one was hurt)   But their are so many creepy performers out their whose 
work I like, that I  have learned to try to separate them from their 
craft.  Part of me felt redeemed when I heard, but I felt sad for the 
lost of the performer at the same time.  I loved him in Soylent Green, 
Omega Man, Planet of the Apes, and Touch of Evil.  It is because of him, 
I discovered and admired Rosalind Cash.  Despite being a right wing 
jerk, he seemed to have no problem with hiring Black women as leads ( 
never got that - tried to see something dark and sinister in it, but I 
have not yet figured any thing out)I grief for the performer/ I glad 
the gun advocate is silenced. 

Bosco Bosco wrote:
> Rent Bowling For Columbine and you might have a different perspective
> on 100% Total Scumbag that goes by the name Charleton Heston. 
>
> Bosco
> --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sad  :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, Tracey, he has.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>   
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hasn't he
>> retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?
>> 
>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> NRA...
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that
>>>> 
>> one...
>> 
>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston
>>>> 
>> has taken this into real life.
>> 
>>>> "From my cold dead fingers." Ring a bell?
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen "The Omega Man"
>>>> 
>> on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie,
>> and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times
>> in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way?
>> In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the
>> Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of
>> the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff
>> the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El
>> Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his
>> body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his
>> men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles...
>> 
>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>> I am a big fan of "Omega Man." The late, great Rosalind Cash
>>>> 
>> plays 
>> 
>>>> the "sassy black girl." Although she remains too thin for my
>>>> 
>> taste, in 
>> 
>>>> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho
>>>> 
>> nuff ruled 
>> 
>>>> my world. 
>>>>
>>>> ~rave!
>>>>
>>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street"
>>>> 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via
>>>>>   
>> Netflix.
>> 
>>>>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk
>>>>>   
>> girl
>> 
>>>>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>>>>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am
>>>>>   
>> Legend is
>> 
>>>>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes
>>>>>   
>> with The
>> 
>>>>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a
>>>>>   
>> really good
>> 
>>>>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people
>>>>>   
>> will go
>> 
>>>>> nuts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

My husband has a split reclusive/ social personality as well.  So, we 
encourage each other to get alone time.  This was especially important 
when we were working with the business full-time.

You are so community spirited online.  How did number 4 take it?

Reece Jennings wrote:
> Good for you and your family.  I find it impossible to be a recluse
> and a spouse.  Tried it 3 times.  Almost made the bad choice again...
> Luckily for her, I learned to recognize my patterns...
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> 
>  
>  
>  
>
>   _  
>
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:24 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>
>
> I have struggled against the recluse thing ever since I had a lot of 
> death in my immediate family. It is a hard habit to break. Fortunately 
> during my worse periods I had pushy friends and family. Getting married 
> and having a kid has forced me to resist these urges too. I do not want 
> to inflict it on them.
>
> Reece Jennings wrote:
>   
>> I hear you!
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>> 
> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com
>   
>> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _ 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Astromancer
>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:31 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>>
>>
>> I am becoming a hardcore recluse...I really don't like going out any
>> 
> more...
>   
>> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
>> 
> yahoo.com>
>   
>> wrote: I hear you. I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either.
>> 
> I'm
>   
>> a party voyeur...
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com>
>> 
> mesavers.com
>   
>> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyho
>> 
> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> 
>   
>> _ 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Martin
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>> No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one
>> 
> round
>   
>> to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner
>> 
> to
>   
>> cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's
>> taken me to find three people like myself.
>>
>> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
>> 
> yahoo.com>
>   
>> wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be
>> 
> the
>   
>> one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling
>> different from others? 
>>
>> I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyho
>> 
> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com> mesa

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Sad  :(

Martin wrote:
> Yes, Tracey, he has.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hasn't he retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> NRA...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that one...
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken 
>> this into real life.
>>
>> "From my cold dead fingers." Ring a bell?
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen "The Omega Man" on network TV, so 
>> that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the 
>> ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but 
>> in a noble, martyr-like way? In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much 
>> as Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in 
>> one of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the 
>> Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he 
>> dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on 
>> the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh 
>> at Heston in such roles...
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> I am a big fan of "Omega Man." The late, great Rosalind Cash plays 
>> the "sassy black girl." Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 
>> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled 
>> my world. 
>>
>> ~rave!
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix.
>>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl
>>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is
>>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The
>>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good
>>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go
>>> nuts.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I have struggled against the recluse thing ever since I had a lot of 
death in my immediate family.  It is a hard habit to break.  Fortunately 
during my worse periods I had pushy friends and family.  Getting married 
and having a kid has forced me to resist these urges too.  I do not want 
to inflict it on them.

Reece Jennings wrote:
> I hear you!
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Astromancer
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:31 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>
>
> I am becoming a hardcore recluse...I really don't like going out any more...
>
> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
> wrote: I hear you. I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either. I'm
> a party voyeur...
>
> Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
> No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one round
> to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner to
> cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's
> taken me to find three people like myself.
>
> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
> wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be the
> one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling
> different from others? 
>
> I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>
> Maurice Jennings
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
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> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
> Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of water" premise, which I sympathize
> with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: Wow!
> Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
> question you had to anticipate... why?
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
>> 
> movie secrets.
>   
>> I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote:
>   
>> Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>>>   
> milieu!
>   
>>> KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote: I
>>>   
> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the numb

Re: [scifinoir2] SF Movies coming Up in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I liked both Pitch black and the sequel. After Pitch Black and Boiler 
Room, I thought he was really going places. I guess his career sorta fizzled

Mike Street wrote:
> yeah Vin is doing an animated Hannibal for BET and looks like he might
> be in another Fast and Furious flick. But i think that franchise is
> pretty much dead. So looks like he is trying to rebuild his career
> with Hannibal as an epic movie. But I think he was at his best in
> Boiler Room. That was the only movie I ever really liked him in.
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 12:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding Vin. I think there was room for both. i think him, his ego
>>  and his decisions about watch movies to do killed it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Mike Street wrote:
>>  > I feel sorry for Vin Diesel cause he was gonna be the next big action
>>  > star. Then The Rock came along and pretty much killed his career.
>>  >
>>  > There are some good movies on this list. Lots of stuff I wanna see and
>>  > a lot of stuff I will never watch. Narina is gonna do big number and
>>  > I'm glad they are doing the books justice. I watched the British
>>  > version and I think they are doing an excellent job. I just wanna know
>>  > what will happen after the 3rd book. Cause the kids can't come back to
>>  > Narina after the Silver Chair.
>>  >
>>  > On Dec 29, 2007 8:44 AM, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> "One Missed Call"- sums it up perfectly.
>>  >>
>>  >> "In The Name of the King"- it'll probably flop, but I'll pay to see
>> Statham
>>  >> go medieval on someone's a$$. (pun fully intended)
>>  >>
>>  >> "Cloverfield"- the young'uns will make it happen.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Teeth"- doubt it'll have any bite.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Untraaceable"- I think it's got a great chance, in the Internet-voyeur
>>  >> era.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Jumper"- another one for the kids. If it's done right, it might pick up
>>  >> some of the adults who read the book.
>>  >>
>>  >> "The Spiderwick Chronicles"- my niece and her friends have been talking
>>  >> this one up since it was announced last year. Based on that, I'll say
>> yes.
>>  >>
>>  >> "The Signal"- "One Missed Call" again. Cancellation effect.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Babylon A.D"- no. Not even with the Big Diesel in front.
>>  >>
>>  >> "The Water Horse"- I've heard that this one's not really even for kids,
>>  >> that it as a few bits that might spook the younger kids. If my
>> scuttlebutt
>>  >> is right, then I think it'll draw the first weekend, then tail off as
>> word
>>  >> of mouth gets out.
>>  >>
>>  >> "10,000 B.C."- only if Raquel does a cameo.
>>  >>
>>  >> "The Forbidden Kingdom"- it might recover its money, but I don't see it
>>  >> going big big big.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Iron Man"- if it doesn't do well, it'll be because they refused to let
>> the
>>  >> Technonerdati in the door.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Prince Caspian"- ditto. I wasn't expecting much out of the first Narnia
>>  >> movie, and was pleasantly surprised.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Indiana Jones IV"- if they offer Geritol at the door, they might
>> recoup.
>>  >> Not even *I'm* game for this. And I *hate* Nazis...
>>  >>
>>  >> "Starship Dave"- no. Just no. No, I take that back. It'll probably do
>> well,
>>  >> but I won't be there.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Speed Racer"- yes. Kids like retro. Adults like retro, too.
>>  >>
>>  >> "The Incredible Hulk"- doubt t. People's memories are short, but their
>>  >> senses of smell are long, and "The Hulk" stunk the joint up but good.
>>  >>
>>  >> "The Dark Knight"- try to keep 'em out of the theaters. I dare you.
>>  >>
>>  >> "Wallace" to quote the eminent scientist Hubert Farnsworth, "Hu-WHA?"
>>  >

Re: [scifinoir2] SF Movies coming Up in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Regarding Vin.  I think there was room for both.  i think him, his ego 
and his decisions about watch movies to do killed it. 

Mike Street wrote:
> I feel sorry for Vin Diesel cause he was gonna be the next big action
> star. Then The Rock came along and pretty much killed his career.
>
> There are some good movies on this list. Lots of stuff I wanna see and
> a lot of stuff I will never watch. Narina is gonna do big number and
> I'm glad they are doing the books justice. I watched the British
> version and I think they are doing an excellent job. I just wanna know
> what will happen after the 3rd book. Cause the kids can't come back to
> Narina after the Silver Chair.
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 8:44 AM, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "One Missed Call"- sums it up perfectly.
>>
>>  "In The Name of the King"- it'll probably flop, but I'll pay to see Statham
>> go medieval on someone's a$$. (pun fully intended)
>>
>>  "Cloverfield"- the young'uns will make it happen.
>>
>>  "Teeth"- doubt it'll have any bite.
>>
>>  "Untraaceable"- I think it's got a great chance, in the Internet-voyeur
>> era.
>>
>>  "Jumper"- another one for the kids. If it's done right, it might pick up
>> some of the adults who read the book.
>>
>>  "The Spiderwick Chronicles"- my niece and her friends have been talking
>> this one up since it was announced last year. Based on that, I'll say yes.
>>
>>  "The Signal"- "One Missed Call" again. Cancellation effect.
>>
>>  "Babylon A.D"- no. Not even with the Big Diesel in front.
>>
>>  "The Water Horse"- I've heard that this one's not really even for kids,
>> that it as a few bits that might spook the younger kids. If my scuttlebutt
>> is right, then I think it'll draw the first weekend, then tail off as word
>> of mouth gets out.
>>
>>  "10,000 B.C."- only if Raquel does a cameo.
>>
>>  "The Forbidden Kingdom"- it might recover its money, but I don't see it
>> going big big big.
>>
>>  "Iron Man"- if it doesn't do well, it'll be because they refused to let the
>> Technonerdati in the door.
>>
>>  "Prince Caspian"- ditto. I wasn't expecting much out of the first Narnia
>> movie, and was pleasantly surprised.
>>
>>  "Indiana Jones IV"- if they offer Geritol at the door, they might recoup.
>> Not even *I'm* game for this. And I *hate* Nazis...
>>
>>  "Starship Dave"- no. Just no. No, I take that back. It'll probably do well,
>> but I won't be there.
>>
>>  "Speed Racer"- yes. Kids like retro. Adults like retro, too.
>>
>>  "The Incredible Hulk"- doubt t. People's memories are short, but their
>> senses of smell are long, and "The Hulk" stunk the joint up but good.
>>
>>  "The Dark Knight"- try to keep 'em out of the theaters. I dare you.
>>
>>  "Wallace" to quote the eminent scientist Hubert Farnsworth, "Hu-WHA?"
>>
>>  "Hancock"- probably. But I'm not sold on it, especially after seeing the
>> trailer. Just me and my weirdness.
>>
>>  "Hellboy 2"- yes. Yes.YES.
>>
>>  "The Mummy 3"- no. No. NO. To paraphrase, once was enough.
>>
>>  "Jurassic Park IV"- see above.
>>
>>  "The Day The Earth Stood Still'- Klaatu. Barada. NiktNO...
>>
>>  "Star Trek XI'"- Probably will do well. My only question- WHY?
>>
>>  "The Mutant Chronicles"- X-fans will go to see it, be p*ssed off because
>> there are no X-Men in it. Word gets out, and it's on DVD the following
>> month.
>>
>>  "Deathrace 3000" Zelazny will rise from his grave just long enough to beg
>> the masses *not* to see this. He won't have to be out for long.
>>
>>  "They Came From Upstairs"- probably won't do well at the box office. Based
>> on this blurb, I'll go to see it.
>>
>>  "Watchmen"- if it doesn't, I'll be surprised.
>>
>>  "The Lovely Bones"- Peter Jackson. Need I say more?
>>
>>  "Wolverine"- uh, this is a trick question, right?
>>
>>  "Monsters vs. Aliens"- it'll do even better if the Aliens in it aren't the
>> Aliens from "Aliens vs Predator

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Hasn't he retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's?

Astromancer wrote:
> NRA...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no, refresh my memory on that one...
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken 
> this into real life.
>
> "From my cold dead fingers." Ring a bell?
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen "The Omega Man" on network TV, so 
> that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the 
> ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but 
> in a noble, martyr-like way? In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much as 
> Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one 
> of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the 
> Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he 
> dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on 
> the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh 
> at Heston in such roles...
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I am a big fan of "Omega Man." The late, great Rosalind Cash plays 
> the "sassy black girl." Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 
> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled 
> my world. 
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix.
>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl
>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is
>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>
>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The
>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good
>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go
>> nuts.
>>
>> 
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

You have to be strong, know it will be bad, REAL BAD, VERY VERY BAD, and 
do not even consider watching the so-called "most dangerous night on 
television".  It is only dangerous for your love of the genre.  It is 
rarely even b-movie, campy, funny bad.  It is chronic, kill your love of 
campy, funny B-movies.  These are W-Movies.  Their star ratings on a 
scale of 1 to 5 are usually negative -2 or even lower. There are no 
exceptions.  I know each time you hope there will be that one rare gem, 
but it will not happen.

Now, repeat after me...
I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"
I will not watch The Scifi Channel's "most dangerous night on television"


Astromancer wrote:
> Sci Fi has turned me off to just about all flicks involving animals or 
> insects
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
> Even so, I like shows with sea monsters
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Oh- by this I do *not* mean octopi...
>>
>> Martin wrote: Only a handful of monster flicks have scared me, and they all 
>> have one common element.
>>
>> Hideous eight-legged creatures.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I found script 
>> reviews, but avoided them for the same reason. I want to 
>> know more, but I do not want it spoiled for me. Guest what. I think I'm 
>> actually going to venture out to the theater for this one. While I used 
>> to go over my friends house every Saturday afternoon to hang out with 
>> the gang and watch the Japanese monster genre, I felt they were silly 
>> too. Looking back it seems they likely launch my movie night. It was 
>> for the company. Most monster flicks do not scare me. 
>>
>> Abrams and Goddard have scared me in the past and that trailer is out of 
>> this world, so I'm psyched. I couldn't even finish Rob Zombie's movie, 
>> so if that is the best the US can do, we need to go back to film 
>> school. There are a few gothic horrors (vampires, ghosts, 
>> shapeshifters, mummies, etc) I like, but frequently, I've tuned in for 
>> the character development as well as the chills and thrills
>>
>> I have not seen the Host, but thanks to you, I just added it to my 
>> Netflix que
>>
>> I used to think Japan was into the mutant monsters because of the Atomic 
>> bomb experience. But I have no idea
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know 
>>> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. Having 
>>> come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll wait 
>>> until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be surprised. 
>>> I'll read some more about the movie, though.
>>>
>>> I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something that's 
>>> long languished in America. It never really took off on the level of truly 
>>> scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, frightening 
>>> Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with Raymond Burr, hear 
>>> the original Japanese version is better) I can't think of many giant 
>>> monster flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads of giant 
>>> monster pics, of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All Monsters 
>>> to King Kong. But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, entertaining, 
>>> or plain silly (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can recall being 
>>> afraid of the man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it. 
>>>
>>> I hear the movie "The Host" was really good, but it didn't do big box 
>>> office here. It only did two million in America, but over eighty-six 
>>> million worldwide!Contrast that with something like Rob Zombie's "House of 
>>> 1000 Corpses", which despite being junk, did sixteen million here, but only 
>>> four million overseas.
>>>
>>> Seems like in America most monster flicks deal with vampires or werewolves 
>>> or zombies or ghosts. Wonder why Asia is more into the giant-sized type? 
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
>>> Try these sites from imdb
>>>
>>> There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found, 
&g

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Just think of my poor husband.  He is married to all of us.  I can 
control it, but I can not control being outgoing when I'm at parties, 
being photographed, giving speeches, or doing interviews for the press. 
  That is when my shy wanted to come out. ( Since I got sick, I do not 
have to worry about that) .

Reece Jennings wrote:
> Whoa! (Backing slowly towards the door)
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
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> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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>  
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>
>
> Here is weird. I'm all of the above, standing in the corner watching 
> (big time voyeur), sometimes the life of the party or having fun dancing 
> off in my own world. To make things worse, I do not know who is coming 
> out. That is what I call weird. 
>
> Reece Jennings wrote:
>   
>> I hear you. I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either. I'm
>> a party voyeur...
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>> 
> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com
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>> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Martin
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one
>> 
> round
>   
>> to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner
>> 
> to
>   
>> cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's
>> taken me to find three people like myself.
>>
>> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
>> 
> yahoo.com>
>   
>> wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be
>> 
> the
>   
>> one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling
>> different from others? 
>>
>> I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
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>> _____ 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Martin
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>> Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of water" premise, which I
>> 
> sympathize
>   
>> with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: Wow!
>> Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
>> question you had to anticipate... why?
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest,
>>>   
> darkest
>   
>> movie secrets.
>>
>> 
>>> I love "Howard the Duck".
&

[scifinoir2] SF Movies coming Up in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

The following is a list of Speculative Fiction Movies Coming Out on 
2008.  Which ones are you looking forward to?  Which ones do you think 
will hit and which ones do you think will flop?

One Missed Call
U.S. Opening Date:January 4.
A chain of people receive terrifying cell phone messages--actual 
recordings of their own horrifying last moments before dying.

In The Name Of The King: A Dungeon Siege Tale
U.S. Opening Date: 11 January 2008
Jason Statham must find his kidnapped wife and avenge the death of his 
son, amidst the backdrop of war in the Kingdom of Ehb.

Cloverfield
U.S. Opening Date:January 18
A group of friends document their attempt to survive when a monster the 
size of a skyscraper descends upon New York City.

Teeth
U.S. Opening Date:January 18
A high school student discovers she has a bizarre "physical advantage" 
when she becomes the object of male violence.

Untraceable
Opening January 25, 2008
Within the FBI, there exists a division dedicated to investigating and 
prosecuting criminals on the internet.  A tech-savvy internet predator 
is displaying his graphic murders on his own website--and the fate of 
each of his tormented captives is left in the hands on the public:

Jumper
U.S. Opening date: 15 February 2008
A teenager (Hayden Christensen, Young Darth Vader) discovers he can 
teleport from one place to another and uses this ability to search for 
the man he believes killed his mother .

The Spiderwick Chronicles
U.S. Opening Date: 15 February 2008
The quest for the next Harry Potter/Narnia franchise continues

   The Signal
U.S. Opening Date: 22 February 2008
People being turned into homicidal psychos by their cell phones? So it’s 
a documentary then

Babylon A.D.
U.S. Opening Date: 29 February 2008
Vin Diesel's upcoming sci-fi actioner looks kinda cheap

The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep
U.S. Opening Date: 29 February 2008
Old-fashioned tale about a boy and his, um, sea monster

  10,000 B.C.
U.S. Opening Date: 7 March 2008
Latest Roland Emmerich special effects epic

The Forbidden Kingdom
Release Date:
18 April 2008
An American teenager who is obsessed with Hong Kong cinema and kung-fu 
classics makes an extraordinary discovery in a Chinatown pawnshop: the 
legendary stick weapon of the Chinese sage and warrior, the Monkey King. 
With the lost relic in hand, the teenager unexpectedly finds himself 
traveling back to ancient China to join a crew of warriors from martial 
arts lore on a dangerous quest to free the imprisoned Monkey King. Stars 
Jet Li and Jackie Chan

  Iron Man
U.S. Opening date: 2 May 2008
Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and inventor, is kidnapped and 
forced by his captors to design and build a weapon. Secretly, Stark 
instead creates a mechanized suit of armor and escapes. Returning to the 
U.S., he discovers a dangerous plot and becomes Iron Man to stop it

  The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian
U.S. Opening Date: 16 May 2008
Time flies much faster in the magical world of Narnia than it does in 
our world, so the next time the Pevensey siblings (Peter, Susan, Edmund 
and Lucy) travel there from an English train station, they find 
themselves on an island during a time when Narnia is ruled by the Wicked 
King Miraz. The Pevenseys ally themselves with the young Prince Caspian, 
and the mighty lion Aslan, in an effort to revive Narnia's past and 
overthrow the evil king.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
U.S. Opening Date: 22 May 2008
Considering that its star Harrison Ford is 64 years old a better title 
might be Indiana Jones and the Pensioner’s Discount

Starship Dave
U.S. Opening Date: 30 May 2008
Eddie Murphy's upcoming sci-fi comedy has a cool idea behind it

  Speed Racer
U.S. Opening date: 13 June 2008
Follows the racing exploits of Speed Racer, a charming young driver 
lucky enough to be behind the wheel of the Mach 5, a "super car" that 
can make amazing jumps, go underwater, and other tricks using amazing 
gadgets

  The Incredible Hulk
U.S. Opening date: 13 June 2008
The hunt for the Hulk is escalating, even as Dr. Banner thinks he might 
be closer to finding a cure for his dark (green) curse. The screen won't 
feature just one big green monster, however, as the Hulk's enemy this 
time around will be the Abomination, another gamma-radiated creature.

The Dark Knight
U.S. Opening date: 18 June 2008
The follow-up to Batman Begins, The Dark Knight reunites director 
Christopher Nolan and star Christian Bale, who reprises the role of 
Batman/Bruce Wayne.

Wall•E
U.S. Opening date: 27 June 2008
Pixar's upcoming flick about a cute robot. Some wags have called it 
Short Circuit 3,

Hancock
Release Date: 2 July 2008
A hard-living superhero (Smith) who has fallen out of favor with the 
public enters into a questionable relationship with the wife (Theron) of 
the public relations professional (Bateman) who's trying to repair his 
image.

The Dark Knight
Release Date: July 18
Batman raises the stakes in his war on crime. With th

Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Thanks for the review. I just rented them

Amy Harlib wrote:
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> Saw both Night Watch and Day Watch and really enjoy them as Russian dark 
> fantasy adventures.  The Russian aspect is fascinating.
> Definitely worth a look and I am looking forward to the third film.  I have 
> not yet read the books which have been translated into English.  The writer 
> of the books is also the co-screenwriter which is good.
> Cheers,
> Amy
>
>
>   
>> Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a
>> preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or
>> its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good
>> reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it
>> came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as "Star Wars
>> Meets the Vampires in Moscow."
>>
>> See the plot summaries below.
>>
>> Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the
>> best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei Lukyanenko
>> plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the superhuman
>> Night Watch patrollers (known as the "Others") against the shadowed
>> forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the lines of
>> an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal
>> could bring chaos to the land.
>>
>>
>> Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle of a
>> mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel to
>> Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son, who
>> has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an ancient
>> artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy peace
>> between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating
>> cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.
>>
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[scifinoir2] NBC's Chuck Still Up In Air

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Chuck Still Up In Air
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46750
Zachary Levi, who stars in NBC's hit SF series Chuck, told Entertainment 
Weekly that the show's status remains up in the air because of the 
ongoing writers' strike, even though the network ordered a full season 
of episodes.

"We've only aired 11 episodes," Levi said, adding that the additional 
nine episodes on order won't be started until after the strike is 
resolved, likely sometime next year.

"It's nice to have a back nine, but you don't really know what that 
means at the end of the day," Levi added. "You don't know when you can 
go back to work. If they were to resolve the strike today, then they'd 
have to start writing, and the writing would take them through the rest 
of January, and we stop production in February."

Levi said that it wouldn't surprise him if the network said the nine 
episodes would form the beginning of the second season.

In the meantime, Levi is developing projects through his own production 
company, Coattails Entertainment. "We produced this film, Spiral, coming 
out on DVD in February," he told the magazine. "We've been getting a lot 
of good buzz on the film. Amber Tamblyn [The Grudge 2] is in it, and 
Tricia Helfer from Battlestar Galactica, and Joel David Moore, who is in 
James Cameron's Avatar right now, shooting in New Zealand. He's my best 
friend and business partner."

(NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

You are dead on with you analysis.  The Broderick /camera crew aspect 
was weak and needed to be tweaked or reduced and Jean Reno... as Gymfig 
would say, he has "IT"  I'm a big fan.  His character should have been 
broadened. I realize that would never happen because this was an 
American Blockbuster and that would be breaking on of their cardinal 
rules.   I liked this better than the old sixties Godzillas as well.  
Despite the fact that I complain about Abrams, I think he and the team 
he assembled could pull it off.  However, if he succeeds, be 
forewarned.  We will be bombarded with bad copies left and right

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 12/28/07 2:35:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> writes:
>
>
>   
>> While Godzilla never scared me, I really liked them.  Big confession, I
>> liked the Godzilla with Matthew Broderick and Jean Reno.  I knew it was
>> bad, but I liked it.  I think that was a hit.  What about King Kong -
>> specifically the remake, does that fit in this genre?  How did it do?
>>
>> 
>
> Hey You're not the only one that liked the American Godzilla.   Infact I 
> liked that movies version of the big-G more than the japanese version.   To 
> me 
> that is what I pitcture it (yeah I know it was a she) looking like if someone 
> paid a passing attention to biology.   I just wanted to see more of big-g's 
> radioactive breath in the american version (including the glowing back 
> spikes).   
> And I did liked both the basic plot, pacing and the Jenn Reno character.   
> However it was the Broderick character and his crew (save for the camera guy) 
> that 
> I think took the film down (and some bad research of milspec equipment didn't 
> help the film either).   In short any successful big ass monster film 
> threated the buy guy like a deadly, wrecklng ball force of nature.   The 
> japanese 
> monster flims (well most of them) done this.   The american Godizilla film 
> almost 
> did it (at least for the first half).   And from what I've seen it's looking 
> like Cloverfield is also going to do the same.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

When she is a t school of course.  Plan already worked out.  Yeah 
right.  we are in trouble

Martin wrote:
> Tracey, you'll have to get it away from her first...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>After the torture is over, it really is cute - 
> especially when I'm not 
>  the one under attack.  We got her a toddler digital camera and video for 
>  Christmas since she is always grabbing everyone else's, so now we live 
>  in fear of the morning ritual including pictures. We have pledged to 
>  delete behind her back, after enough time has passed
>  
>  Reece Jennings wrote:
>  > HAHAHAHAHA!  I forgot about your toddlers!  That's cute!
>  >  
>  >  
>  >  Maurice Jennings
>  > Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>  > KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>  > Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>  > <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> 
>  >  
>  >  
>  >  
>  >
>  >   _  
>  >
>  > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  > Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>  > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:31 PM
>  > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I get mine from both parents. On your schedule and being retired, I 
>  > would be up too. Just thought of another reasons. Toddlers and 
>  > pre-schoolers climbing into bed with you at the wee hours in the morning 
>  > to chat tickle poke and prod. Sometimes its just easier to get up. 
>  > After a while staying up and getting up early becomes torture
>  >
>  > Reece Jennings wrote:
>  >   
>  >> Good points...good points...
>  >>
>  >> Not everybody is retired, I guess. As for me trying to break MY late night
>  >> habits...I get them from my mom. And then, there are bus driving jobs like
>  >> the one I just got for tonight. I'm driving a busload of people to the
>  >> Mohegan
>  >> Sun Casino. We're leaving at 7PM and returning at 3AM. Gotta love those
>  >> late-night trips!
>  >>
>  >> Maurice Jennings
>  >> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>  >> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>  >> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>  >> 
>  > <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com
>  >   
>  >> <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> 
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> _ 
>  >>
>  >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>  >> 
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
>  > On
>  >   
>  >> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>  >> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:36 PM
>  >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>  >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> I've actually had success in the past. The pain from my illness drove me 
>  >> back to the night. Once that went away and I started working again, 
>  >> late night phone meetings with people I am doing business with overseas 
>  >> drove me back to my vampire-like sleeping habits. I was in recovery, 
>  >> but a night of playing Santa's elf with toy assembly has me falling off 
>  >> the wagon again. I would not work so hard at it, but living on the west 
>  >> coast, has my business hours behind those on the East coast, so if I 
>  >> sleep late, I'm calling customers back at the end of the business day
>  >>
>  >> Reece Jennings wrote:
>  >>
>  >> 
>  >>> Amen. And let me know if you're successful with that 'normal hours'
>  >>>   
>  > thing.
>  >   
>  >>> I gave
>  >>> up on that a long time ago. Seems I was getting stressed about getting to
>  >>> sleep, 
>  >>> and that was keeping me awake! :o)
>  >>>
>  >>> Now, I set the timer on my TV and put on my CPAP before I start watching
>  >>>
>  >>>   
>  >> TV.
>  >>
>  >> 
>  >>

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

People started noticing how many diametrically opposed sides I has so 
for a while, I gave them names. But I did not want my friends to think I 
was seriously separated, so I stopped.

Martin wrote:
> Don't know if I could cope with that kind of an earth-sea dichotomy within 
> myself. As it is, I have moments when I flirt with women online, then cringe 
> for hours afterward.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Here is weird.  I'm all of the above, standing in 
> the corner watching  
>  (big time voyeur), sometimes the life of the party or having fun dancing 
>  off in my own world.  To make things worse, I do not know who is coming 
>  out.  That is what I call weird. 
>  
>  Reece Jennings wrote:
>  > I hear you.  I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either.  I'm
>  > a party voyeur...
>  >  
>  >  Maurice Jennings
>  > Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>  > KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>  > Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>  > <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> 
>  >  
>  >  
>  >  
>  >
>  >   _  
>  >
>  > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  > Behalf Of Martin
>  > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM
>  > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one 
> round
>  > to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner 
> to
>  > cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's
>  > taken me to find three people like myself.
>  >
>  > Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> 
> yahoo.com>
>  > wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be 
> the
>  > one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling
>  > different from others? 
>  >
>  > I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>  >
>  > Maurice Jennings
>  > Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>  > KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>  > Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
>  > <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com> mesavers.com
>  > <http://www.legacyho <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> mesavers.com/> 
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > _ 
>  >
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
>  > On
>  > Behalf Of Martin
>  > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
>  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>  > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>  >
>  > Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of water" premise, which I 
> sympathize
>  > with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
>  >
>  > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: Wow!
>  > Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
>  > question you had to anticipate... why?
>  >
>  > Martin wrote:
>  >   
>  >> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
>  >> 
>  > movie secrets.
>  >   
>  >> I love "Howard the Duck".
>  >>
>  >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >> 
>  > <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote:
>  >   
>  >> Keith
>  >>
>  >> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>  >> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>  >>
>  >> Martin wrote:
>  >>
>  >> 
>  >>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>  >>>   
>  > milieu!
>  >   
>  >>> KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote: I
>  >>>   
>  > really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
>  > "National Treasu

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Even so, I like shows with sea monsters

Martin wrote:
> Oh- by this I do *not* mean octopi...
>
> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Only a 
> handful of monster flicks have scared me, and they all have one common 
> element.
>  
>  Hideous eight-legged creatures.
>  
>  "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
> I found script reviews, but avoided them for the 
> same reason. I want to 
>   know more, but I do not want it spoiled for me. Guest what.  I think I'm 
>   actually going to venture out to the theater for this one.  While I used 
>   to go over my friends house every Saturday afternoon to hang out with 
>   the gang and watch the Japanese monster genre, I felt they were silly 
>   too.  Looking back it seems they likely launch my movie night.  It was 
>   for the company.  Most monster flicks do not scare me. 
>   
>   Abrams and Goddard have scared me in the past and that trailer is out of 
>   this world, so I'm psyched.  I couldn't even finish Rob Zombie's movie, 
>   so if that is the best the US can do, we need to go back to film 
>   school.  There are a few gothic horrors (vampires, ghosts, 
>   shapeshifters, mummies, etc) I like, but frequently, I've tuned in for 
>   the character development as well as the chills and thrills
>   
>   I have not seen the Host, but thanks to you, I just added it to my 
>   Netflix que
>   
>   I used to think Japan was into the mutant monsters because of the Atomic 
>   bomb experience.  But I have no idea
>   
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   > thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know 
> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. Having 
> come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll wait 
> until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be surprised. I'll 
> read some more about the movie, though.
>   >
>   > I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something 
> that's long languished in America. It never really took off on the level of 
> truly scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, frightening 
> Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with Raymond Burr, hear 
> the original Japanese version is better) I can't think of many giant monster 
> flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads of  giant monster pics, 
> of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All Monsters to King Kong. 
> But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, entertaining, or plain silly 
> (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can recall being afraid of the 
> man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it.   
>   >
>   > I hear the movie "The Host" was really good, but it didn't do big box 
> office here. It only did two million in America, but over eighty-six million 
> worldwide!Contrast that with something like Rob Zombie's "House of 1000 
> Corpses", which despite being junk, did sixteen million here, but only four 
> million overseas.
>   >
>   > Seems like in America most monster flicks deal with vampires or 
> werewolves or zombies or ghosts. Wonder why Asia is more into the giant-sized 
> type? 
>   >
>   > -- Original message -- 
>   > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > Try these sites from imdb
>   >
>   > There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found, 
>   > through which you can find other characters in the movie. 
>   > "Rob"--http://www.myspace.com/robbyhawkins
>   >
>   > www.jamieandteddy.com <http://www.jamieandteddy.com> In September 2007 
>   > this website was discovered. It features a password protected video of 
>   > the actress who plays Jamie Lascano as the character keeping a video 
>   > diary for her boyfriend. The password for the video is jllovesth. There 
>   > are 5 videos so far.
>   >
>   > www.theblairgodzillaproject.com <http://www.theblairgodzillaproject.com> 
>   > is another new site that shows the characters and films that inspired 
>   > J.J. Abrams to make the film.
>   >
>   > http://www.slusho.jp/. This site is designed to appear as a commercial 
>   > website about a fictitious beverage called 'Slusho' that J.J. Abrams has 
>   > so far included in both "Lost" and "Alias."
>   >
>   > Mike Street wrote:
>   >   
>   >> try researching Slusho and you'll find

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I have trouble watching those, but some I do. I like the ones were a 
woman is a Black Widow Spider killing off lustful unsuspecting men who 
cross her path. 

Martin wrote:
> Only a handful of monster flicks have scared me, and they all have one common 
> element.
>
> Hideous eight-legged creatures.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I found script reviews, but avoided them for the 
> same reason. I want to 
>  know more, but I do not want it spoiled for me. Guest what.  I think I'm 
>  actually going to venture out to the theater for this one.  While I used 
>  to go over my friends house every Saturday afternoon to hang out with 
>  the gang and watch the Japanese monster genre, I felt they were silly 
>  too.  Looking back it seems they likely launch my movie night.  It was 
>  for the company.  Most monster flicks do not scare me. 
>  
>  Abrams and Goddard have scared me in the past and that trailer is out of 
>  this world, so I'm psyched.  I couldn't even finish Rob Zombie's movie, 
>  so if that is the best the US can do, we need to go back to film 
>  school.  There are a few gothic horrors (vampires, ghosts, 
>  shapeshifters, mummies, etc) I like, but frequently, I've tuned in for 
>  the character development as well as the chills and thrills
>  
>  I have not seen the Host, but thanks to you, I just added it to my 
>  Netflix que
>  
>  I used to think Japan was into the mutant monsters because of the Atomic 
>  bomb experience.  But I have no idea
>  
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  > thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know 
> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. Having 
> come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll wait 
> until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be surprised. I'll 
> read some more about the movie, though.
>  >
>  > I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something 
> that's long languished in America. It never really took off on the level of 
> truly scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, frightening 
> Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with Raymond Burr, hear 
> the original Japanese version is better) I can't think of many giant monster 
> flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads of  giant monster pics, 
> of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All Monsters to King Kong. 
> But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, entertaining, or plain silly 
> (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can recall being afraid of the 
> man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it.   
>  >
>  > I hear the movie "The Host" was really good, but it didn't do big box 
> office here. It only did two million in America, but over eighty-six million 
> worldwide!Contrast that with something like Rob Zombie's "House of 1000 
> Corpses", which despite being junk, did sixteen million here, but only four 
> million overseas.
>  >
>  > Seems like in America most monster flicks deal with vampires or werewolves 
> or zombies or ghosts. Wonder why Asia is more into the giant-sized type? 
>  >
>  > -- Original message -- 
>  > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  > Try these sites from imdb
>  >
>  > There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found, 
>  > through which you can find other characters in the movie. 
>  > "Rob"--http://www.myspace.com/robbyhawkins
>  >
>  > www.jamieandteddy.com <http://www.jamieandteddy.com> In September 2007 
>  > this website was discovered. It features a password protected video of 
>  > the actress who plays Jamie Lascano as the character keeping a video 
>  > diary for her boyfriend. The password for the video is jllovesth. There 
>  > are 5 videos so far.
>  >
>  > www.theblairgodzillaproject.com <http://www.theblairgodzillaproject.com> 
>  > is another new site that shows the characters and films that inspired 
>  > J.J. Abrams to make the film.
>  >
>  > http://www.slusho.jp/. This site is designed to appear as a commercial 
>  > website about a fictitious beverage called 'Slusho' that J.J. Abrams has 
>  > so far included in both "Lost" and "Alias."
>  >
>  > Mike Street wrote:
>  >   
>  >> try researching Slusho and you'll find out a lot more of what
>  >> Cloverfield is al

Re: [scifinoir2] Hancock

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

We discussed it about a week ago.  I'm definitely up for it.  The buzz 
on it is good

maidmarian_thepoet wrote:
> Did I miss the discussion on Hancock?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxsidHhnCU
>
> This came out of left-field for me although it looks funny.
>
> After looking back, it looks like it was mentioned in passing during
> the discussion of Will Smith.  Where did this story come from?  I'm
> not up on graphics novels or comics.  Is this a comic --> movie venture?
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] "The Orphanage" Reigns In Spain

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Have you seen it?

ravenadal wrote:
> www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-
> 1228orphanagedec28,1,295736.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> ARTS & ENTERTAINMENT: MOVIES
>
> 'The Orphanage' reigns in Spain
>
> Horror-drama hybrid is startling success story
>
> By Nina Metz
>
> Special to the Tribune
>
> December 28, 2007
>
>  As of this month, "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" is the 
> No. 1 grossing film of the year worldwide.
>
> Further down that list -- much, much further down -- is a small 
> Spanish film called "The Orphanage," a hybrid of horror and drama 
> that opened earlier this fall in Spain, where it has become the top 
> grossing film in that country -- beating out even "Pirates."
>
> It remains to be seen if the movie connects with American audiences. 
> The first-time effort from director Juan Antonio Bayona and 
> screenwriter Sergio G. Sanchez (both in their early 30s), "The 
> Orphanage" arrives on these shores Friday with at least two things 
> going for it: a name-brand executive producer in Guillermo del Toro 
> and selection by Spain as its entry in the Best Foreign Language Film 
> category in the upcoming Academy Awards contest.
>
> The plot centers on a wife and mother named Laura (played by Spanish 
> television actress Belen Rueda) who moves back to the orphanage where 
> she was raised. The abandoned building slowly reveals itself to be 
> haunted -- or maybe the ghosts are only in Laura's head. Her anxiety 
> becomes a living nightmare when her son disappears one day.
>
> Chicago visit
>
> The filmmakers (who speak excellent English) were in Chicago not long 
> ago drumming up publicity for the film. Bayona comes across as the 
> serious one. Sanchez is more likely to laugh his way through an 
> answer. His script was rejected early and often -- and he was wry 
> about the outcome.
>
> "The first draft I wrote was back in 1999, and at that time, no 
> production company wanted to touch it," he said. "Basically, they 
> were saying the film was an impossible mixture between horror and 
> drama, and those two things were like oil and water -- you could not 
> try to make them together. Basically, they wanted the film to be 
> standard. And anything that was unique about the film they wanted to 
> take away from it.
>
> "And now the film is the highest-grossing film in Spain," he said 
> with a smile, to which Bayona added, "So look at all those production 
> companies now."
>
> "Well, I met quite a few of those guys at the Sitges Film Festival, 
> which is a very important fantasy film festival in Spain," Sanchez 
> said, "and most of them came up and said congratulations, and that 
> they knew this movie was going to be a success. It's like, yeah 
> right. That's why you passed on it."
>
> But even Sanchez had given up on the script for a time. He passed it 
> to Bayona merely as a writing sample -- a very good choice, it turns 
> out. After that, Bayona brought del Toro to the mix.
>
> "I met Juan Antonio in the early '90s at a junket for 'Cronos' in 
> Spain," said del Toro by phone from Spain. Del Toro's writing and 
> directing credits also include "The Devil's Backbone" and "Pan's 
> Labyrinth." "He pretended to pose as a journalist, and I found his 
> questions entertaining enough to go to lunch with him and chat a 
> little bit."
>
> In the intervening years, Bayona made some short films and music 
> videos that del Toro found "absolutely brilliant. So I asked him, why 
> are you waiting to do a feature film? And how can I help you?" As it 
> turns out, Bayona needed help getting "The Orphanage" made.
>
> "He was in dire need of an extra push to make it happen," del Toro 
> said. "How it was going to be cast, how it was going to be mounted, 
> how it was going to be financed. He just needed a bit of a bodyguard. 
> And I functioned as such. I was there to protect him against all the 
> forces that try to make your first film your last."
>
> (According to del Toro, Spain's film industry does not have movie 
> studios, per say, but rather several "financing entities that 
> dominate the landscape.")
>
> While the movie is meant to scare -- it contains several unsettling 
> moments, as well as one graphic shock involving a bloodied human jaw -
> - it veers away from the gore-heavy trend of recent horror 
> films. "The Orphanage" has more in common with a movie like "The 
> Sixth Sense."
>
> 'It was so scary'
>
> "I was very attracted by the atmosphere of Laura's story," said 
> Bayona. "It was very scary, very creepy. And it felt very real at the 
> same time. I love that it looks very cheap."
>
> "Cheap?" Sanchez asked, raising an eyebrow.
>
> "I don't know if that's the word," said Bayona. "I mean simple -- not 
> cheap." Then, as an aside: "My English is not very good. Oh my God, 
> my English. It's because it's my siesta time."
>
> "But it was cheap to make," Sanchez added. Bayona: "That's what I 
> wanted to say. We could do it without spending a lot o

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

True

Martin wrote:
> Tracey, I think our culture has *always* been youth-obsessed.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe the likelihood of the movie earning more 
> money is raised with 
>  those demographics - or maybe our culture is just youth obsessed
>  
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  > and 18 -25 year olds only watch movies staring others their age? Wasn't 
> that way when I was 18 - 25? That's up there with "boys only watch movies 
> about boys" and "whites only watch movies staring whites (and Will Smith)"
>  >
>  > -- Original message -- 
>  > From: "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  > This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly
>  > Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular
>  > that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a
>  > new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older.
>  >
>  > We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen
>  > where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with
>  > where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big
>  > spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly
>  > 18-25.
>  >
>  > On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >   
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to
>  >> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, 
> i
>  >> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older 
> than
>  >> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who
>  >> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk 
> being
>  >> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too 
> old"
>  >> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for
>  >> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, 
> some a
>  >> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn
>  >> close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias,
>  >> Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at 
> the
>  >> high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the
>  >> series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to 
> craft
>  >> a Wonder Woman barel
>  >> y out of her teens.
>  >>
>  >> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the
>  >> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The 
> Omega
>  >> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the 
> standard
>  >> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from
>  >> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and 
> Paul
>  >> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars 
> in
>  >> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew
>  >> seem to favor.
>  >>
>  >> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love
>  >> the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids
>  >> have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these
>  >> characters more?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> -- Original message --
>  >> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>  >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio
>  >> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting
>  >> characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28
>  >> are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a
>  >> studios money is made.
>  >>
>  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  >> 
>  >>> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young
>  >>>   
>  >> people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to
>  >> mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as "Five young New
>  >> Yor

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I had them back in Philly and never went, but I still missed the 
experience.  I guess it is the nostalgia of it all

Martin wrote:
> No, Tracey, because I've got two here in Atlanta. Don't go to them, but 
> they're here.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I wonder why the beach movies and movies like 
> Splendor in The Grass, 
>  Rebel without a Cause, or Westside Story did not dramatically cause the 
>  shift?  They were essentially doing the same thing.  I think back then, 
>  more adults considered movie going as entertainment. 
>  
>  I'm randomizing now.  Anyone miss drive-ins?
>  
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  > i hear you, it's just odd. I spent some time looking at all kinds of 
> action/fantasy/scifi movies and TV shows from when I was younger. Did a lot 
> of Star Trek research of course. The vast majority of the men and women in 
> many roles are in their late 20s to late '30s. There doesn't seem to be a 
> youth-oriented push, other than if you start counting stuff like the Beach 
> movies with Frankie and Annette.  Even the Star Trek vixens of the week were 
> often around 25 and older.  
>  > I guess the rise of Generation X or Y or Zeta or whatever has got the 
> suits doing the calculations, as you said.
>  >
>  > -- Original message -- 
>  > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  > I remember feeling the same when I was young. I did not need every 
>  > character to be young like me, however, if truth be told I did relate 
>  > more to the younger characters. But in our world people are different 
>  > ages, so it felt like something of our world. It felt right. Not 
>  > every part seems to fit someone in their mid-twenties. I think they did 
>  > surveys and focus groups with the people who were the most frequent 
>  > movie goers and uncovered that most of the related more closely to 
>  > those closer to their age and perhaps were more motivated to go see a 
>  > movie with characters closer to their age and as a result, 60% of all 
>  > movies feature characters in their mid-twenties. Ugh...
>  >
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  >   
>  >> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to 
> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i 
> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than 
> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who 
> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 
> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old" 
> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for 
> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a 
> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close 
> to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and 
> others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end. 
> And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, 
> with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder
>  Woman
>  >> 
>  >  
>  >   
>  >> barel
>  >> y out of her teens.
>  >>
>  >> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the 
> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega 
> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the standard 
> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from 
> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul 
> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in 
> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem 
> to favor. 
>  >>
>  >> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love 
> the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids 
> have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these 
> characters more? 
>  >>
>  >> -- Original message -- 
>  >> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  >> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio 
>  >> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

After the torture is over, it really is cute - especially when I'm not 
the one under attack.  We got her a toddler digital camera and video for 
Christmas since she is always grabbing everyone else's, so now we live 
in fear of the morning ritual including pictures. We have pledged to 
delete behind her back, after enough time has passed

Reece Jennings wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHA!  I forgot about your toddlers!  That's cute!
>  
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
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>  
>  
>
>   _  
>
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:31 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>
>
>
> I get mine from both parents. On your schedule and being retired, I 
> would be up too. Just thought of another reasons. Toddlers and 
> pre-schoolers climbing into bed with you at the wee hours in the morning 
> to chat tickle poke and prod. Sometimes its just easier to get up. 
> After a while staying up and getting up early becomes torture
>
> Reece Jennings wrote:
>   
>> Good points...good points...
>>
>> Not everybody is retired, I guess. As for me trying to break MY late night
>> habits...I get them from my mom. And then, there are bus driving jobs like
>> the one I just got for tonight. I'm driving a busload of people to the
>> Mohegan
>> Sun Casino. We're leaving at 7PM and returning at 3AM. Gotta love those
>> late-night trips!
>>
>> Maurice Jennings
>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
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>>
>>
>>
>> _ 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:36 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>>
>>
>>
>> I've actually had success in the past. The pain from my illness drove me 
>> back to the night. Once that went away and I started working again, 
>> late night phone meetings with people I am doing business with overseas 
>> drove me back to my vampire-like sleeping habits. I was in recovery, 
>> but a night of playing Santa's elf with toy assembly has me falling off 
>> the wagon again. I would not work so hard at it, but living on the west 
>> coast, has my business hours behind those on the East coast, so if I 
>> sleep late, I'm calling customers back at the end of the business day
>>
>> Reece Jennings wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Amen. And let me know if you're successful with that 'normal hours'
>>>   
> thing.
>   
>>> I gave
>>> up on that a long time ago. Seems I was getting stressed about getting to
>>> sleep, 
>>> and that was keeping me awake! :o)
>>>
>>> Now, I set the timer on my TV and put on my CPAP before I start watching
>>>
>>>   
>> TV.
>>
>> 
>>> I invariably wake up about six hours later rested, and with fewer
>>>
>>>   
>> nightmares
>>
>> 
>>> caused by my TV freaking out my subconscious. That, and I stopped
>>>   
> drinking
>   
>>> coffee...gr...
>>>
>>> Maurice Jennings
>>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
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>

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Here is weird.  I'm all of the above, standing in the corner watching  
(big time voyeur), sometimes the life of the party or having fun dancing 
off in my own world.  To make things worse, I do not know who is coming 
out.  That is what I call weird. 

Reece Jennings wrote:
> I hear you.  I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either.  I'm
> a party voyeur...
>  
>  Maurice Jennings
> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
> <http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/> 
>  
>  
>  
>
>   _  
>
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>
>
> No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one round
> to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner to
> cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's
> taken me to find three people like myself.
>
> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
> wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be the
> one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling
> different from others? 
>
> I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>
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>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
> Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of water" premise, which I sympathize
> with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: Wow!
> Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
> question you had to anticipate... why?
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
>> 
> movie secrets.
>   
>> I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote:
>   
>> Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>>>   
> milieu!
>   
>>> KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote: I
>>>   
> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
> Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
> Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
> against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
> action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
> it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
> pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
> that flick.
>   
>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
>>>   
> plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
> down from one President to another that details, among other things, the
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Well then I'm one too, because I agree with much that you say

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> true, or maybe i'm just a contrarian!
>
> -- Original message ------ 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
> Maybe the likelihood of the movie earning more money is raised with 
> those demographics - or maybe our culture is just youth obsessed
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> and 18 -25 year olds only watch movies staring others their age? Wasn't that 
>> way when I was 18 - 25? That's up there with "boys only watch movies about 
>> boys" and "whites only watch movies staring whites (and Will Smith)"
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly
>> Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular
>> that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a
>> new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older.
>>
>> We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen
>> where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with
>> where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big
>> spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly
>> 18-25.
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to
>>> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i
>>> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than
>>> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who
>>> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being
>>> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old"
>>> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for
>>> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a
>>> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn
>>> close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias,
>>> Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the
>>> high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the
>>> series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft
>>> a Wonder Woman barel
>>> y out of her teens.
>>>
>>> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the
>>> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega
>>> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the standard
>>> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from
>>> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul
>>> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in
>>> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew
>>> seem to favor.
>>>
>>> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love
>>> the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids
>>> have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these
>>> characters more?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original message --
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio
>>> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting
>>> characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28
>>> are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a
>>> studios money is made.
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to
>>> mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as "Five young New
>>> Yorkers". Hopefully, like with "Lost", there'll be some old fogies my age
>>&g

[scifinoir2] Police abandoned security posts before Bhutto assassination

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Police_abandoned_security_posts_before_Bhutto_1228.html

Police abandoned security posts before Bhutto assassination
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday December 28, 2007

No autopsy performed on body; docs say bullet wounds not found

Police abandoned their security posts shortly before Pakistani 
opposition leader Benazir Bhutto's assassination Thursday, according to 
a journalist present at the time, and unanswerable questions remain 
about the cause of her death, because an autopsy was never performed.

Pakistan's Interior Minister on Friday said that Bhutto was not killed 
by gunshots, as had been widely reported, and doctors at Rawalpindi 
General Hospital, where she died, say there were no bullet marks on the 
former prime minister's body, according to India's IBNLive.com. 
Furthermore, according to the news agency, there was no formal autopsy 
performed on Bhutto's body before she was buried Friday.

CNN is now reporting that it wasn't gunshots or shrapnel that killed 
Bhutto, but that she died from hitting the sunroof of the car she was 
riding in. The network said sources in Pakistan's Interior Ministry said 
nothing entered her skull, no bullets or shrapnel.

Apparently there was some kind of lever on the sunroof she was standing 
through, and she hit her head on that CNN reported Friday morning.

Earlier in the day Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz told a Pakistani news 
channel, “The report says she had head injuries – an irregular patch – 
and the X-ray doesn’t show any bullet in the head. So it was probably 
the shrapnel or any other thing has struck her in her said. That damaged 
her brain, causing it to ooze and her death. The report categorically 
says there’s no wound other than that," according to IBNLive.

Perhaps more shockingly, an attendee at the rally where Bhutto was 
killed says police charged with protecting her "abandoned their posts," 
leaving just a handful of Bhutto's own bodyguards protecting her.

"Police officers had frisked the 3,000 to 4,000 people attending 
Thursday's rally when they entered the park, but as the speakers from 
Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party droned on, the police abandoned many of 
their posts," wrote Saeed Shah in an essay published by McClatchy News 
Service. "As she drove out through the gate, her main protection 
appeared to be her own bodyguards, who wore their usual white T-shirts 
inscribed: 'Willing to die for Benazir.'"

While some intelligence officials, especially within the US, were quick 
to finger al Qaeda militants as responsible for Bhutto's death, it 
remains unclear precisely who was responsible and some speculation has 
centered on Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI, its military or 
even forces loyal to the current president Pervez Musharraf. Rawalpindi, 
where Bhutto was killed, is the garrison city that houses the Pakistani 
military's headquarters.

"GHQ (general headquarters of the army) killed her," Sardar Saleem, a 
former member of parliament, told Shah at the hospital.

Whatever the case, Bhutto's precise cause of death may never be known 
because of the failure to administer an autopsy. The procedure was not 
carried out because police and local authorities in Rawalpindi did not 
request one, according to IBNLive, but the government plans a formal 
investigation why this was the case.

Musharraf initially blamed her death on unnamed Islamic militants, but 
Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz told The Associated Press on Friday that 
"we have the evidence that al-Qaida and the Taliban were behind the 
suicide attack on Benazir Bhutto."

He said investigators had resolved the "whole mystery" behind the 
opposition leader's killing and would give details at press conference 
later Friday.

DEVELOPING...

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I know what you mean.  I can't see Lindsay Lohan playing world weary  
(even though she probably is with the life she is leading)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> that's my point. I liked movies and books about people my age, but a good 
> scifi/fantasy film starring "old" folks would draw me just as much. And 
> sometimes I like older characters because I like to see some of the 
> experience, wisdom, or world-weariness they can bring to a role, while still 
> being effective and vigorous.
>
> -- Original message ------ 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> good assessment. Since I was in the target demographic at the time, I 
> remember being drawn to those movies. Please note: most were a 
> disappointment and did not compare to my favs which were Hitchcock, 
> Barbara Stanwick, Jimmy Stewart, Betty Davis, Glenn Ford, Ida Lupino, 
> Sofia Loren, Henry Fonda, Charleton Heston, Joan Crawford, type of 
> movies. Ironically, all those people were in the wrong demographic. 
> So, we should be blaming John Hughes, huh?
>
> Mike Street wrote:
>   
>> This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly
>> Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular
>> that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a
>> new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older.
>>
>> We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen
>> where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with
>> where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big
>> spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly
>> 18-25.
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to
>>> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i
>>> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than
>>> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who
>>> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being
>>> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old"
>>> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for
>>> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a
>>> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn
>>> close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias,
>>> Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the
>>> high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the
>>> series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft
>>> a Wonder Woman barel
>>> y out of her teens.
>>>
>>> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the
>>> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega
>>> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the standard
>>> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from
>>> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul
>>> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in
>>> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew
>>> seem to favor.
>>>
>>> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love
>>> the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids
>>> have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these
>>> characters more?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original message --
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio
>>> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting
>>> characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28
>>> are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a
>>> studios money is made.
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>   
>>>> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young
>>>> 
>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I wonder why the beach movies and movies like Splendor in The Grass, 
Rebel without a Cause, or Westside Story did not dramatically cause the 
shift?  They were essentially doing the same thing.  I think back then, 
more adults considered movie going as entertainment. 

I'm randomizing now.  Anyone miss drive-ins?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i hear you, it's just odd. I spent some time looking at all kinds of 
> action/fantasy/scifi movies and TV shows from when I was younger. Did a lot 
> of Star Trek research of course. The vast majority of the men and women in 
> many roles are in their late 20s to late '30s. There doesn't seem to be a 
> youth-oriented push, other than if you start counting stuff like the Beach 
> movies with Frankie and Annette.  Even the Star Trek vixens of the week were 
> often around 25 and older.  
> I guess the rise of Generation X or Y or Zeta or whatever has got the suits 
> doing the calculations, as you said.
>
> ------ Original message ---------- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I remember feeling the same when I was young. I did not need every 
> character to be young like me, however, if truth be told I did relate 
> more to the younger characters. But in our world people are different 
> ages, so it felt like something of our world. It felt right. Not 
> every part seems to fit someone in their mid-twenties. I think they did 
> surveys and focus groups with the people who were the most frequent 
> movie goers and uncovered that most of the related more closely to 
> those closer to their age and perhaps were more motivated to go see a 
> movie with characters closer to their age and as a result, 60% of all 
> movies feature characters in their mid-twenties. Ugh...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to 
>> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i 
>> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than 
>> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who 
>> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 
>> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old" 
>> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for 
>> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a 
>> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn 
>> close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, 
>> Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the 
>> high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the 
>> series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft 
>> a Wonder Woman
>> 
>  
>   
>> barel
>> y out of her teens.
>>
>> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the 
>> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega 
>> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the standard 
>> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from 
>> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul 
>> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in 
>> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew 
>> seem to favor. 
>>
>> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the 
>> younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have 
>> more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these 
>> characters more? 
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio 
>> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting 
>> characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 
>> are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a 
>> studios money is made.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. 
>>> all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. 
>>> Even the little blurb I read describes it as "Five young New Yorkers". 
>&

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Maybe the likelihood of the movie earning more money is raised with 
those demographics - or maybe our culture is just youth obsessed

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> and 18 -25 year olds only watch movies staring others their age? Wasn't that 
> way when I was 18 - 25? That's up there with "boys only watch movies about 
> boys" and "whites only watch movies staring whites (and Will Smith)"
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly
> Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular
> that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a
> new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older.
>
> We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen
> where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with
> where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big
> spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly
> 18-25.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to
>> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i
>> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than
>> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who
>> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being
>> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old"
>> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for
>> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a
>> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn
>> close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias,
>> Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the
>> high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the
>> series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft
>> a Wonder Woman barel
>> y out of her teens.
>>
>> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the
>> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega
>> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the standard
>> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from
>> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul
>> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in
>> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew
>> seem to favor.
>>
>> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love
>> the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids
>> have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these
>> characters more?
>>
>>
>> -- Original message --
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio
>> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting
>> characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28
>> are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a
>> studios money is made.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young
>>>   
>> people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to
>> mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as "Five young New
>> Yorkers". Hopefully, like with "Lost", there'll be some old fogies my age
>> who get meaty roles!
>> 
>>> -- Original message --
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>   
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>>>   
>>>> maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> &

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

no apology needed. I'm sleepy, distracted and multitasking. 

Astromancer wrote:
> I figured it was so obvious, I wouldn't have to say it...I guess I was 
> wrong...My apologies...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   see what? you re not alone?
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> See?
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Even when I fit in I often feel like I'm an observer. I often think of 
>> myself like a chameleon. I used to wish we were big enough to have 
>> chapters so we could meet in person. Still do.
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> You aren't alone, dude
>>>
>>> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of 
>>> water" premise, which I sympathize with daily. I've always felt out of 
>>> place, even among the Technonerdati.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>> Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
>>> question you had to anticipate... why?
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
>>>> movie secrets.
>>>>
>>>> I love "Howard the Duck".
>>>>
>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>>>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>>>
>>>> Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my 
>>>>> milieu!
>>>>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people 
>>>>> contributed any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one 
>>>>> movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a 
>>>>> couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I 
>>>>> cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, 
>>>>> preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight ("just show 
>>>>> me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some 
>>>>> think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow 
>>>>> humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action 
>>>>> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it 
>>>>> airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic 
>>>>> pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". 
>>>>> Love that flick.
>>>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in 
>>>>> plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book 
>>>>> passed down from one President to another that details, among other 
>>>>> things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>>>>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>>>>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" 
>>>>> raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North 
>>>>> America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>>>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film 
>>>>> opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will 
>>>>> be issued on Wednesday.
>>>>> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
>>>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to 
>>>>> the 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
>>>>> flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
>>>>> Lincoln

Re: SPOILERS !!!!Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Chris usually is running and has his head covered when he says stuff 
like that.

Astromancer wrote:
> I nevewr say stuff like that unless there is a buffer of at least 1 mile 
> between us...Add "And she works in the motor pool" and you'll have my ex...
>
> James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Yup.
>
> Every so often I tell my son that his mama wears combat boots.
>
> Then I duck and cover. Never know which direction it's gonna come at you.
>
> From: Astromancer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:39 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: SPOILERS Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot
> Holes, Plot Holes 
>
> Ah...I would think somewhere along the line you would realize that most of
> what was said about the fairer sex were myths...and the truisms updated and
> equalized buy such things and guns bats, kitchen utensils, etcLet me
> guess...attack direction came from up and behind you?
>
> James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> wrote: I remember looking at my former Army officer wife during the movie
> when
> things were spirally out of control and saying something about "it figures"
> and then made an off the cuff comment about an Army of One. Then I regained
> consciousness three hours later..
>
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>
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>  
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> only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might 
> say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don’t want 
> to get them interested." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

While Godzilla never scared me, I really liked them.  Big confession, I 
liked the Godzilla with Matthew Broderick and Jean Reno.  I knew it was 
bad, but I liked it.  I think that was a hit.  What about King Kong - 
specifically the remake, does that fit in this genre?  How did it do?

Mike Street wrote:
> Giant monsters don't translate in the US. Maybe just Transformers and
> the upcoming Voltron movie but that's about it. If this movie is about
> a big ass monster then they are doing an excellent marketing job cause
> people would not see it if it is some Godzilla type flick.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 9:42 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know
>> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. Having
>> come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll wait
>> until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be surprised. I'll
>> read some more about the movie, though.
>>
>>  I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something that's
>> long languished in America. It never really took off on the level of truly
>> scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, frightening
>> Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with Raymond Burr, hear
>> the original Japanese version is better) I can't think of many giant monster
>> flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads of giant monster pics,
>> of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All Monsters to King Kong.
>> But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, entertaining, or plain silly
>> (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can recall being afraid of the
>> man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it.
>>
>>  I hear the movie "The Host" was really good, but it didn't do big box
>> office here. It only did two million in America, but over eighty-six million
>> worldwide!Contrast that with something like Rob Zombie's "House of 1000
>> Corpses", which despite being junk, did sixteen million here, but only four
>> million overseas.
>>
>>  Seems like in America most monster flicks deal with vampires or werewolves
>> or zombies or ghosts. Wonder why Asia is more into the giant-sized type?
>>
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>>  From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>  Try these sites from imdb
>>
>>  There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found,
>>  through which you can find other characters in the movie.
>>  "Rob"--http://www.myspace.com/robbyhawkins
>>
>>  www.jamieandteddy.com <http://www.jamieandteddy.com> In September 2007
>>  this website was discovered. It features a password protected video of
>>  the actress who plays Jamie Lascano as the character keeping a video
>>  diary for her boyfriend. The password for the video is jllovesth. There
>>  are 5 videos so far.
>>
>>  www.theblairgodzillaproject.com <http://www.theblairgodzillaproject.com>
>>  is another new site that shows the characters and films that inspired
>>  J.J. Abrams to make the film.
>>
>>  http://www.slusho.jp/. This site is designed to appear as a commercial
>>  website about a fictitious beverage called 'Slusho' that J.J. Abrams has
>>  so far included in both "Lost" and "Alias."
>>
>>  Mike Street wrote:
>>  > try researching Slusho and you'll find out a lot more of what
>>  > Cloverfield is all about. There is a lot going on with the movie and
>>  > there are several fake MySpace pages which info on the movie it all
>>  > ties into an elaborate online game millions are playing right in
>>  > online and offline
>>  >
>>  > On Dec 27, 2007 9:47 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> found some pix of the monster
>>  >> http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
>>  >> http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg
>>  >>
>>  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for
>> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias,
>> MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a
>> suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' St

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

good assessment.  Since I was in the target demographic at the time, I 
remember being drawn to those movies.  Please note: most were a 
disappointment and did not compare to my favs which were Hitchcock, 
Barbara Stanwick, Jimmy Stewart, Betty Davis, Glenn Ford, Ida Lupino, 
Sofia Loren, Henry Fonda, Charleton Heston, Joan Crawford, type of 
movies.  Ironically, all those people were in the wrong demographic.  
So, we should be blaming John Hughes, huh?

Mike Street wrote:
> This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly
> Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular
> that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a
> new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older.
>
> We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen
> where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with
> where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big
> spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly
> 18-25.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to
>> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i
>> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than
>> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who
>> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being
>> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old"
>> about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for
>> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a
>> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn
>> close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias,
>> Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the
>> high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the
>> series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft
>> a Wonder Woman barel
>>  y out of her teens.
>>
>>  I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the
>> day. From "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega
>> Man" and "Bullitt". In many, many of those old films--which set the standard
>> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from
>> early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul
>> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in
>> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew
>> seem to favor.
>>
>>  So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love
>> the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids
>> have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these
>> characters more?
>>
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>>  From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio
>>  demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting
>>  characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28
>>  are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a
>>  studios money is made.
>>
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>  > yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young
>> people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to
>> mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as "Five young New
>> Yorkers". Hopefully, like with "Lost", there'll be some old fogies my age
>> who get meaty roles!
>>  >
>>  > -- Original message --
>>  > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >> maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller
>>  >>
>>
>>  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for
>>  >>>
>>  >> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias,
>> MI-3,
>>  >> Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't)

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

see what? you re not alone?

Astromancer wrote:
> See?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Even when I fit in I often feel like I'm an observer. I often think of 
> myself like a chameleon. I used to wish we were big enough to have 
> chapters so we could meet in person. Still do.
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> You aren't alone, dude
>>
>> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of 
>> water" premise, which I sympathize with daily. I've always felt out of 
>> place, even among the Technonerdati.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
>> question you had to anticipate... why?
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
>>> movie secrets.
>>>
>>> I love "Howard the Duck".
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my 
>>>> milieu!
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
>>>> any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the 
>>>> Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
>>>> on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
>>>> with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
>>>> acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever 
>>>> or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, 
>>>> don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and 
>>>> loved it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The 
>>>> Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And 
>>>> "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and 
>>>> things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
>>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in 
>>>> plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book 
>>>> passed down from one President to another that details, among other 
>>>> things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>>>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>>>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced 
>>>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
>>>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
>>>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
>>>> on Wednesday.
>>>> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
>>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to 
>>>> the 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
>>>> flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
>>>> Lincoln's assassination.
>>>> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales 
>>>> of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner 
>>>> Bros. Pictures.
>>>> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
>>>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise 
>>>> hit "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate 
>>>> Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>>>> The fact-based political comedy "Char

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

not surprised.  I used to read a lot of bodice rippers.  I understand 
the strange logic.:)  Never seen that logic taken to that extreme though

Carole McDonnell wrote:
> LOL!!!
>
> Hey, what can you do?
>
> Romance novels are full of women being ravished and carried off 
> usually by some wild romantic savage. And unless the ravisher is  
> romantic in the civilized way the writer approves, the hero (wild and 
> romantic but civilized) has to go take her back from the evil sheik 
> or evil prince or evil comanche that snatched her. 
>
> I suspect the writer thought she went pretty far...actually create a 
> child of the forbidden villain-victim union. But she wasn't gonna 
> allow the half-breed child of rape to live. In the end, all that rape 
> and child-bearing was quickly forgotten.
>
>
> -C
>
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> How thoughtful and romantic..
>>
>> Carole McDonnell wrote:
>> 
>>> The worst save in specfic history -- I forgot the title-- wasn't 
>>>   
> in a 
>   
>>> science fiction film but in a romance novel. The hero comes and 
>>>   
> saves 
>   
>>> the girl who had been raped/ravished by the bad guy. Her child in 
>>>   
> the 
>   
>>> scuffle and the hero comes up to the girl, sweeps her up (cause 
>>>   
> she was 
>   
>>> so weak and all) and gently pushes the baby aside while he whisks 
>>>   
> girl 
>   
>>> off. It was like: okay
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I found script reviews, but avoided them for the same reason. I want to 
know more, but I do not want it spoiled for me. Guest what.  I think I'm 
actually going to venture out to the theater for this one.  While I used 
to go over my friends house every Saturday afternoon to hang out with 
the gang and watch the Japanese monster genre, I felt they were silly 
too.  Looking back it seems they likely launch my movie night.  It was 
for the company.  Most monster flicks do not scare me. 

Abrams and Goddard have scared me in the past and that trailer is out of 
this world, so I'm psyched.  I couldn't even finish Rob Zombie's movie, 
so if that is the best the US can do, we need to go back to film 
school.  There are a few gothic horrors (vampires, ghosts, 
shapeshifters, mummies, etc) I like, but frequently, I've tuned in for 
the character development as well as the chills and thrills

I have not seen the Host, but thanks to you, I just added it to my 
Netflix que

I used to think Japan was into the mutant monsters because of the Atomic 
bomb experience.  But I have no idea

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know 
> what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. Having 
> come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll wait 
> until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be surprised. I'll 
> read some more about the movie, though.
>
> I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something that's 
> long languished in America. It never really took off on the level of truly 
> scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, frightening 
> Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with Raymond Burr, hear 
> the original Japanese version is better) I can't think of many giant monster 
> flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads of  giant monster pics, 
> of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All Monsters to King Kong. 
> But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, entertaining, or plain silly 
> (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can recall being afraid of the 
> man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it.   
>
> I hear the movie "The Host" was really good, but it didn't do big box office 
> here. It only did two million in America, but over eighty-six million 
> worldwide!Contrast that with something like Rob Zombie's "House of 1000 
> Corpses", which despite being junk, did sixteen million here, but only four 
> million overseas.
>
> Seems like in America most monster flicks deal with vampires or werewolves or 
> zombies or ghosts. Wonder why Asia is more into the giant-sized type? 
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Try these sites from imdb
>
> There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found, 
> through which you can find other characters in the movie. 
> "Rob"--http://www.myspace.com/robbyhawkins
>
> www.jamieandteddy.com <http://www.jamieandteddy.com> In September 2007 
> this website was discovered. It features a password protected video of 
> the actress who plays Jamie Lascano as the character keeping a video 
> diary for her boyfriend. The password for the video is jllovesth. There 
> are 5 videos so far.
>
> www.theblairgodzillaproject.com <http://www.theblairgodzillaproject.com> 
> is another new site that shows the characters and films that inspired 
> J.J. Abrams to make the film.
>
> http://www.slusho.jp/. This site is designed to appear as a commercial 
> website about a fictitious beverage called 'Slusho' that J.J. Abrams has 
> so far included in both "Lost" and "Alias."
>
> Mike Street wrote:
>   
>> try researching Slusho and you'll find out a lot more of what
>> Cloverfield is all about. There is a lot going on with the movie and
>> there are several fake MySpace pages which info on the movie it all
>> ties into an elaborate online game millions are playing right in
>> online and offline
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2007 9:47 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> found some pix of the monster
>>> http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
>>> http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
>>>> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abra

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

You have a very outgoing online persona.  If we ever meet, I hope I meet 
both personas

Martin wrote:
> No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one round 
> to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner to 
> cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's taken 
> me to find three people like myself.
>
> Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Do 
> you still, Howard?  I mean Martin?  It seems to me that you'd be the
>  one who is comfortable in any crowd.  Are you comfortable but feeling
>  different from others?  
>   
>  I revel in being that way...now...LOL!
>   
>   Maurice Jennings
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>  
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>  
>  From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Martin
>  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
>  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>  
>  Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of water" premise, which I sympathize
>  with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
>  
>  "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: Wow!
>  Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
>  question you had to anticipate... why?
>  
>  Martin wrote:
>  > Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
>  movie secrets.
>  > 
>  > I love "Howard the Duck".
>  >
>  > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote:
>  > Keith
>  >
>  > I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>  > comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>  >
>  > Martin wrote:
>  > 
>  >> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>  milieu!
>  >>
>  >> KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote: I
>  really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
>  "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
>  tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
>  background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
>  Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
>  Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
>  Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
>  against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
>  action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
>  it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
>  pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
>  that flick.
>  >> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
>  plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
>  down from one President to another that details, among other things, the
>  truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>  >>
>  >> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>  >>
>  >> 
>  >>
>  >> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>  >> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>  >> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets"
>  raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North
>  America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>  >> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film
>  opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be
>  issued on Wednesday.
>  >> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
>  international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
>  2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
>  around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
>  assassination.
>  >> Will Smith'

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I remember feeling the same when I was young.  I did not need every 
character to be young like me, however, if truth be told I did relate 
more to the younger characters. But in our world people are different 
ages, so it felt like something of our world.  It felt right.   Not 
every part seems to fit someone in their mid-twenties.  I think they did 
surveys and focus groups with the  people who were the most frequent 
movie goers and uncovered that most of the related more closely  to 
those closer to their age and perhaps were more motivated to go see a 
movie with characters closer to their age and as a result, 60% of all 
movies feature characters in their mid-twenties.  Ugh...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to 
> films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i 
> absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than 
> i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who 
> was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s.  Didn't complain about Kirk being 
> 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said "McCoy is too old" 
> about Bones.  Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for 
> many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a 
> bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close 
> to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and 
> others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end.  
> And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, 
> with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder Woman
>   barel
> y out of her teens.
>
> I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the 
> day. From  "The Towering Inferno" and "The Poseidon Adventure" to "The Omega 
> Man" and "Bullitt".  In many, many of those old films--which set the standard 
> for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from 
> early 30s on the low end  to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul 
> Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in 
> these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem 
> to favor. 
>
> So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the 
> younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have 
> more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these characters 
> more? 
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio 
> demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting 
> characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 
> are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a 
> studios money is made.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. 
>> all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even 
>> the little blurb I read describes it as "Five young New Yorkers". Hopefully, 
>> like with "Lost", there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles!
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>> maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller 
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
>>> MI-3, 
>>> Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
>>> suspenseful 
>>> buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through 
>>> the 
>>> air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's 
>>> also 
>>> a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. 
>>> It 
>>> reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's "War of the Worlds" when the 
>>> military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally 
>>> lights up with weapons fire. 
>>>
>>>   
&g

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Even when I fit in I often feel like I'm an observer. I often think of 
myself like a chameleon.  I used to wish we were big enough to have 
chapters so we could meet in person.  Still  do.

Astromancer wrote:
> You aren't alone, dude
>
> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Forgot to add on the literal "duck 
> out of water" premise, which I sympathize with daily. I've always felt out of 
> place, even among the Technonerdati.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
> question you had to anticipate... why?
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
>> movie secrets.
>>
>> I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
>>> any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the 
>>> Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
>>> on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
>>> with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
>>> acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever 
>>> or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, 
>>> don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and 
>>> loved it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The 
>>> Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And 
>>> "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and 
>>> things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
>>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth 
>>> of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>
>>> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced 
>>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
>>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
>>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
>>> on Wednesday.
>>> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to 
>>> the 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
>>> flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
>>> Lincoln's assassination.
>>> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
>>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
>>> Pictures.
>>> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
>>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
>>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas 
>>> Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>>> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 
>>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both 
>>> after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and 
>>> DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough 
>>> guesses.
>>> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile 
>>> vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: McDuffie's BBS?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

That is part of my problem.  I wish it had an email component

B. Smith wrote:
> I'm a regular reader and infrequent poster. I like the discussions but 
> don't have time to dig into them on a regular basis. 
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tetsuwanatom1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Anyone here participate? Some interesting discussion going down, like 
>> how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro 
>> 
> Hal 
>   
>> Jordan battle among fandom being about race.
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Re: SPOILERS !!!!Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Were you in the emergency room?

James Landrith wrote:
> I remember looking at my former Army officer wife during the movie when
> things were spirally out of control and saying something about "it figures"
> and then made an off the cuff comment about an Army of One.  Then I regained
> consciousness three hours later..
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: Astromancer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:36 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: SPOILERS Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot
> Holes, Plot Holes 
>
>  
>
> I hear you, Devildog...If this is the movie I think it is, it took place in
> the UK...That would make it a UN base, right? That's usually Army and Air
> Force territory...After WWII, with the exception of Embassy duty, the
> Marines have been traditionally posted in the Far East...So the story is at
> least accurate in that aspect...
>
> James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> wrote: Yeah, I saw it as well. I recall calling "bullshit" at several
> points.
>
> However, I did notice that there were no Marines involved in that
> unfortunate zombie debacle on the Isle of Dogs. J
>
> (sends OOH-RAH in general direction of a Marine in Chicagoland)
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

How thoughtful and romantic..

Carole McDonnell wrote:
> The worst save in specfic history -- I forgot the title-- wasn't in a 
> science fiction film but in a romance novel. The hero comes and saves 
> the girl who had been raped/ravished by the bad guy. Her child in the 
> scuffle and the hero comes up to the girl, sweeps her up (cause she was 
> so weak and all) and gently pushes the baby aside while he whisks girl 
> off. It was like: okay
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I get mine from both parents.  On your schedule and being retired, I 
would be up too. Just thought of another reasons.  Toddlers and 
pre-schoolers climbing into bed with you at the wee hours in the morning 
to chat tickle poke and prod.  Sometimes its just easier to get up.  
After a while staying up and getting up early becomes torture

Reece Jennings wrote:
> Good points...good points...
>  
> Not everybody is retired, I guess.  As for me trying to break MY late night
> habits...I get them from my mom.  And then, there are bus driving jobs like
> the one I just got for tonight.  I'm driving a busload of people to the
> Mohegan
> Sun Casino.  We're leaving at 7PM and returning at 3AM.  Gotta love those
> late-night trips!
>  
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:36 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>
>
>
> I've actually had success in the past. The pain from my illness drove me 
> back to the night. Once that went away and I started working again, 
> late night phone meetings with people I am doing business with overseas 
> drove me back to my vampire-like sleeping habits. I was in recovery, 
> but a night of playing Santa's elf with toy assembly has me falling off 
> the wagon again. I would not work so hard at it, but living on the west 
> coast, has my business hours behind those on the East coast, so if I 
> sleep late, I'm calling customers back at the end of the business day
>
> Reece Jennings wrote:
>   
>> Amen. And let me know if you're successful with that 'normal hours' thing.
>> I gave
>> up on that a long time ago. Seems I was getting stressed about getting to
>> sleep, 
>> and that was keeping me awake! :o)
>>
>> Now, I set the timer on my TV and put on my CPAP before I start watching
>> 
> TV.
>   
>> I invariably wake up about six hours later rested, and with fewer
>> 
> nightmares
>   
>> caused by my TV freaking out my subconscious. That, and I stopped drinking
>> coffee...gr...
>>
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>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Martin
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:55 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracey, know this.
>>
>> No matter how tough those times may get, we're here for you.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: I do
>> not know. I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
>> prophet's rescue. I would like to see the whole series again. it comes 
>> on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
>> experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours. Tough times ahead
>>
>> KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming
>>>
>>>   
>> through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might
>> 
> be
>   
>> the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the
>> 
> War,
>   
>> technically. 
>>
>> 
>>> At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a
>>>
>>>   
>> virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion,
>> which devastated the planet in puni

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

That is true about Heston specializing in Martyrdom.  At least the end 
was true to the book

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i've only seen "The Omega Man" on network TV, so that scene was cut. I 
> remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice 
> how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like 
> way? In "Omega man", he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the Cross at 
> the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of the Planet of the 
> Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the Earth-destroying nuke in 
> his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is 
> tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on the battlefield, can 
> continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such 
> roles...
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I am a big fan of "Omega Man." The late, great Rosalind Cash plays 
> the "sassy black girl." Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 
> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled 
> my world. 
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix.
>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl
>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is
>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>
>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The
>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good
>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go
>> nuts.
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Me too.  I love both the film and Rosalind Cash.  However, her weight is 
fine with me.. (smirk)

ravenadal wrote:
> I am a big fan of "Omega Man."  The late, great Rosalind Cash plays 
> the "sassy black girl."  Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 
> 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled 
> my world.  
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix.
>> All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl
>> Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies
>> together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is
>> much more developed then the previous versions.
>>
>> If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The
>> Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good
>> film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go
>> nuts.
>>
>> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I forgot.  Thanks  :)

ravenadal wrote:
> Antoine Fisher.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hey Rave;
>>
>> What was Denzel's directorial debut?  I don't remember
>>
>> ravenadal wrote:
>> 
>>> My fifteen year-old daughter refuses to watch movies on anything 
>>>   
> but 
>   
>>> the iMac in my office.  The digital clarity is amazing and it is 
>>>   
> a 
>   
>>> much more intimate experience (especially with the lights out).
>>>
>>> I remember sitting in my high-backed, wide bottomed leather 
>>>   
> office 
>   
>>> chair a couple of years ago watching Denzel Washington's 
>>>   
> directorial 
>   
>>> debut on the i-Mac with my daughter on my lap and a son on either 
>>> side of me.  Man, that was good viewing.
>>>
>>> ~rave!
>>>
>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle  wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> I¹m going to say something that will probably have my US 
>>>> 
> citizenship
>   
>>>> revoked.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Vizio brand 52 inch LCD HDTV big screen TV, and I 
>>>> 
> hardly 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> watch it.
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> In fact, I think if I got rid of it, and I¹d be pretty happy. I 
>>>> 
> love
>   
>>>> watching games and an occasional movie on it ...but you know 
>>>> 
> what I 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> like
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> even more? I have an iMac in my office since I think 2004. I 
>>>> 
> LOVE 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> watching
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> movies and TV shows on my computer. When I settled in to watch 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Sliders
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> season 1 (which is still $20 at Wal Mart, btw) -- iMac. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Transformers on DVD?
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> iMac. When I watched the LOTR DVDs it was on a much  smaller TV 
>>>> 
> in 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> my
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> office. I enjoy watching that smaller TV with my son because we 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> have our own
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> chairs to sit in and get comfortable. And he¹s 4, so it¹s not 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> really  about
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> what¹s on screen, it¹s the time we¹re spending together. We 
>>>> 
> could be
>   
>>>> listening to  radio  serials and it would have the same effect. 
>>>> 
> I 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> am waiting
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> for the RE-remastered TOS episodes to go to iTunes because I 
>>>> 
> will 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> download
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> them all and watch them at the end of the day. I watch more TV 
>>>> 
> on my
>   
>>>> computer than I do on the screen. When I¹m on the road I watch 
>>>> 
> DVDs 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> on my
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> laptop, and if Apple steps up their anime game...iPhone. My 
>>>> 
> iTunes 
>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> library
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> is pretty big, I listen to more music and podcasts than I watch  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> network TV.
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> IN fact, if it  weren¹t for TCM and football, I would only watch 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> like 3
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> hours of programmed TV a week. I know I can get  most  of the 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> movies I like
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> on TCM from GreenCine or Netflix. I have been thinking about 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

  ain't gonna happen.  It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio 
demographic formula applied in Star Trek.  Maybe some of the supporting 
characters will be a little older.   Let's face it.  Most of us over 28 
are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a 
studios money is made.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. 
> all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even 
> the little blurb I read describes it as  "Five young New Yorkers". Hopefully, 
> like with "Lost", there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles!
>
> ------ Original message ---------- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>> 
>>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
>>>   
>> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
>> MI-3, 
>> Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful 
>> buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through 
>> the 
>> air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's 
>> also 
>> a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It 
>> reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's "War of the Worlds" when the 
>> military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally 
>> lights up with weapons fire. 
>> 
>>> The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled "trailer" is longer and 
>>> shows 
>>>   
>> more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled 
>> "teaser" gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see 
>> the 
>> Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with 
>> lots 
>> of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
>> thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real 
>> officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the 
>> trailers. 
>> 
>>> If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, 
>>> and 
>>>   
>> he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan 
>> of 
>> old-fashioned monster flicks like "Godzilla". So this looks to be a fun 
>> ride. 
>> The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
>> creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
>> movie! 
>> 
>>> Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/ 
>>> http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/ 
>>>
>>> *** 
>>>
>>> http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
>>>
>>>
>>> What is Cloverfield? 
>>>
>>> This is the question that has been debated across North America in the 
>>> hours 
>>>   
>> since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. 
>> Shrouded in 
>> mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
>> carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now. 
>> 
>>> BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
>>> to 
>>>   
>> more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
>> the 
>> voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do so 
>> here 
>> in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams 
>> production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key 
>> players 
>> from Abrams' television shows are on board. 
>> 
>>> The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
>>> Lost 
>>>   
>> and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
>> Fans of 
>> Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
>> sometimes 
>> double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several episodes 
>> of 
>> Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on 
>> Dirty 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Try these sites  from imdb

There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found, 
through which you can find other characters in the movie. 
"Rob"--http://www.myspace.com/robbyhawkins

www.jamieandteddy.com <http://www.jamieandteddy.com> In September 2007 
this website was discovered. It features a password protected video of 
the actress who plays Jamie Lascano as the character keeping a video 
diary for her boyfriend. The password for the video is jllovesth. There 
are 5 videos so far.

www.theblairgodzillaproject.com <http://www.theblairgodzillaproject.com> 
is another new site that shows the characters and films that inspired 
J.J. Abrams to make the film.

 http://www.slusho.jp/. This site is designed to appear as a commercial 
website about a fictitious beverage called 'Slusho' that J.J. Abrams has 
so far included in both "Lost" and "Alias."

Mike Street wrote:
> try researching Slusho and you'll find out a lot more of what
> Cloverfield is all about. There is a lot going on with the movie and
> there are several fake MySpace pages which info on the movie it all
> ties into an elaborate online game millions are playing right in
> online and offline
>
> On Dec 27, 2007 9:47 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> found some pix of the monster
>> http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
>> http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
>>> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
>>> MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
>>> suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
>>> sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
>>> street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like 
>>> crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in 
>>> Spieldberg's "War of the Worlds" when the military attacks the Martians on 
>>> that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.
>>>
>>> The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled "trailer" is longer and 
>>> shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
>>> labeled "teaser" gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
>>> can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
>>> MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
>>> monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on 
>>> this film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some 
>>> info from a blogger below the trailers.
>>>
>>> If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, 
>>> and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a 
>>> fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like "Godzilla". So this looks to be a 
>>> fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any 
>>> view of the creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking 
>>> forward to this movie!
>>>
>>> Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
>>>  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118
>>>
>>>
>>> What is Cloverfield?
>>>
>>> This is the question that has been debated across North America in the 
>>> hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. 
>>> Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of 
>>> the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.
>>>
>>> BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
>>> to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we 
>>> unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an 
>>> exception and do so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. 
>>> Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to 
>>> hear that a couple of key players from Abrams' television shows are on 
>>> board.
>>>
>>> The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a produ

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

found some pix of the monster
http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
> MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
> suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
> sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
> street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy 
> at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's 
> "War of the Worlds" when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside 
> and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.  
>
> The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled "trailer" is longer and 
> shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
> labeled "teaser" gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
> can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
> MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
> monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this 
> film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from 
> a blogger below the trailers.
>
> If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and 
> he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of 
> old-fashioned monster flicks like "Godzilla". So this looks to be a fun ride. 
> The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
> creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
> movie! 
>
> Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
>  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
>
> ***
>
> http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
>
>
> What is Cloverfield?
>
> This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours 
> since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded 
> in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
> carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.
>
> BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
> to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
> the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do 
> so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. 
> Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of 
> key players from Abrams' television shows are on board.
>
> The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
> Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
> Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
> sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several 
> episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal 
> scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode 
> featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from 
> the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
> misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred 
> during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine 
> epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his 
> invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the 
> most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence 
> alone is
>   indic
> ative of a quality work in the offing.
>
> Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his 
> most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP 
> has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the 
> writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
> served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri 
> Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves 
> even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back 
> a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves 
> was the easy choice to helm the project.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
> "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
> MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
> suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
> sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
> street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy 
> at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's 
> "War of the Worlds" when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside 
> and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.  
>
> The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled "trailer" is longer and 
> shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
> labeled "teaser" gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
> can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
> MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
> monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this 
> film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from 
> a blogger below the trailers.
>
> If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and 
> he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of 
> old-fashioned monster flicks like "Godzilla". So this looks to be a fun ride. 
> The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
> creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
> movie! 
>
> Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
>  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
>
> ***
>
> http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
>
>
> What is Cloverfield?
>
> This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours 
> since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded 
> in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
> carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.
>
> BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
> to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
> the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do 
> so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. 
> Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of 
> key players from Abrams' television shows are on board.
>
> The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
> Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
> Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
> sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several 
> episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal 
> scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode 
> featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from 
> the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
> misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred 
> during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine 
> epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his 
> invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the 
> most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence 
> alone is
>   indic
> ative of a quality work in the offing.
>
> Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his 
> most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP 
> has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the 
> writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
> served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri 
> Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves 
> even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back 
> a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves 
> was the easy choice to helm the project.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Can't Wait for "Cloverfield"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Did you like Mist?  I read the ending to the movie and the book, (I knew 
it would be ages before I got to see it) and I've got to say the ending 
movie is has got to be one of the most bleak in movie history.  What are 
your thoughts on how he choose to deviate from the book and dramatically 
change the ending?

B. Smith wrote:
> I just hope they can keep the intensity and suspense at a high levels 
> throughout the entire movie while dishing up monster movie goodness. 
> I've heard a few spoilerfic rumors and if they are true this movie 
> may be as bleak as The Mist.
>
> Have you seen any of the tv spots yet? All I will say is that one of 
> them gives you a better look at the after effects of a monster bite. 
> Yikes.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer 
>> 
> for "Cloverfield", the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, 
> Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk 
> about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's 
> head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to 
> crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the 
> military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me 
> of the great scene in Spieldberg's "War of the Worlds" when the 
> military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area 
> literally lights up with weapons fire.  
>   
>> The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled "trailer" is 
>> 
> longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other 
> sites. The one labeled "teaser" gives a slightly different angle. 
> Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second 
> link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, 
> including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
> thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's 
> no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger 
> below the trailers.
>   
>> If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced 
>> 
> story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. 
> he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like "Godzilla". So 
> this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept 
> secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the 
> anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! 
>   
>> Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
>>  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
>>
>> ***
>>
>> http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
>>
>>
>> What is Cloverfield?
>>
>> This is the question that has been debated across North America in 
>> 
> the hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 
> release. Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of 
> Cloverfield is one of the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood 
> right now.
>   
>> BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it 
>> 
> generally leads to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the 
> first time since we unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we 
> are going to make an exception and do so here in order to clear up 
> some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it 
> should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key players from 
> Abrams' television shows are on board.
>   
>> The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both 
>> 
> Alias and Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter 
> show's 2007 episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a 
> ton of you out there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) 
> also know him as a writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire 
> Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, 
> the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return 
> of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the 
> recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
> misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily 
> occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World 
> War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in 
> permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl 
> in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative 
> young writers in the industry. His presence alone is indic
>   
>> ative of a quality work in the offing.
>>
>> Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired 
>> 
> one of his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity 
> for this project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director 
> on this project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David 
> Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he served as executive pr

Re: SPOILERS !!!!Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

How I got through all the planning errors made "the greatest military 
force in the world", was assume that rumsfeld was behind the planning.  
I guess Brownie handled the civilian planning.  I thought of your 
tactics as well.  I also think if they could not have contained it, 
instead of napalm they would have used a nuclear warhead to be sure to 
eliminate the global threat.

two more.  Going back in with a civilian population (including kids) in 
only six months - I don't think so

Where was England's civilian leadership or the businesses who likely 
drove the move back.  The all American move was odd. Especially since 
Danny Boyle executive produced the movie

B. Smith wrote:
> Looks like we had the same gripes. LOL
>
> The military tactics left a lot to be desired as well. 
>
> Why weren't all escape routes from the Isle of Dogs cutoff in order 
> to isolate the contagion? The Infected couldn't swim so flooding the 
> tunnels and blowing the bridges would have kept an outbreak localized.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> S
>>
>> P
>>
>> O
>>
>> I
>>
>> L
>>
>> E
>>
>> R
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>>
>> where should I start.  The thing is plagued by holes
>>
>> ~ You have a master plan for evacuating in case of out break and it 
>> includes Holding people on a subway platform in the dark with only 
>> 
> a 
>   
>> thing steel door blocking them from access and no guards.
>>
>> ~.  With a disease that is transmitted by contact with blood and 
>> 
> saliva 
>   
>> and the staffing does not were sterilization clothing until it is 
>> verified that the patient is not infected
>>
>> ~.  The infected were  not cunning in the previous movie or even 
>> 
> this 
>   
>> one, yet the infected husband was and determined to specifically 
>> 
> kill 
>   
>> his kids.  If he was like the other infected, he would not have 
>> 
> been 
>   
>> able to get about, because he would not have known how to swipe the 
>> 
> cards
>   
>> ~.  The infected husband seemed to have a GPS tracking device that 
>> enabled him to follow his kids all over the city
>>
>> ~ they saw the kids escape the protected area, yet it took them a 
>> 
> long 
>   
>> time to catch them by helicopter in London with all those security 
>> 
> cameras
>   
>> ~  The husband was an apartment manager, yet had key card access to 
>> secured areas
>> ~ I think the minute the doctor discovered that the wife was 
>> 
> inflected, 
>   
>> she would have called the guards in the section to change how the 
>> patient was cared for
>>
>> `  There was only one doctor with no nurses, assistants, lab techs, 
>> 
> etc. 
>   
>> to care for everyone and do medical research
>>
>> ~  When the soldiers and leaders saw blood spatter on people they 
>> 
> came 
>   
>> in contact with, they still touched them
>>
>> ~  The section of the city that they occupied was not walled up in 
>> 
> case 
>   
>> of containment.
>>
>> ~ There were no guards on the perimeter of the city to prevent 
>> 
> escape
>   
>> ~ . The doctor saving the kids had no way to communicate to the 
>> 
> leaders 
>   
>> her intent to save them and why, even though she did have a walkie 
>> talkie at first.  Then she did not ask the soldier she was with to 
>> 
> use 
>   
>> his.  She indicated that they should sacrifice themselves to save 
>> 
> the 
>   
>> kids, but she did not arrange for the kids to know that if they got 
>> 
> it 
>   
>> they would be carriers, not provide them with instruction on what 
>> 
> to do 
>   
>> and who to contact if she died.  She cause the disease to spread 
>> 
> around 
>   
>> the world.
>>
>> ~ If the infected are guided by instinct, why did the father kill 
>> 
> the 
>   
>> doctor with the butt of his gun and not bite like he did everyone 
>> 
> else
>   
>> There are many more, so small and easy to ignore, like a few listed 
>> above, but also a few big ones.
>>
>> What bother you the most?
>>
>>
>>
>> B. Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Which holes bugged you the most? When the movie came out I had a 
>>>   
&

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

You guys are making me wish I got them this Christmas.  Maybe I get her 
a starter pack and the Uncle, Grandmom  and I can add on for her B-day 
and Christmas

Meta wrote:
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I was thinking of getting Kira set next year, maybe we will try Brio 
>> wooden tracks too.  Are they easy to assemble.  
>> 
> Brio tracks are very easy for young children. When my son was about
> three I bought them for him and he had no problem assembling
> them at all. They're not cheap cost wise, but as they last forever
> it averages out in the long run.
> Meta
>
>
>
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SPOILERS !!!!Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S



where should I start.  The thing is plagued by holes

~ You have a master plan for evacuating in case of out break and it 
includes Holding people on a subway platform in the dark with only a 
thing steel door blocking them from access and no guards.

~.  With a disease that is transmitted by contact with blood and saliva 
and the staffing does not were sterilization clothing until it is 
verified that the patient is not infected

~.  The infected were  not cunning in the previous movie or even this 
one, yet the infected husband was and determined to specifically kill 
his kids.  If he was like the other infected, he would not have been 
able to get about, because he would not have known how to swipe the cards

~.  The infected husband seemed to have a GPS tracking device that 
enabled him to follow his kids all over the city

~ they saw the kids escape the protected area, yet it took them a long 
time to catch them by helicopter in London with all those security cameras

~  The husband was an apartment manager, yet had key card access to 
secured areas
~ I think the minute the doctor discovered that the wife was inflected, 
she would have called the guards in the section to change how the 
patient was cared for

`  There was only one doctor with no nurses, assistants, lab techs, etc. 
to care for everyone and do medical research

~  When the soldiers and leaders saw blood spatter on people they came 
in contact with, they still touched them

~  The section of the city that they occupied was not walled up in case 
of containment.

~ There were no guards on the perimeter of the city to prevent escape

~ . The doctor saving the kids had no way to communicate to the leaders 
her intent to save them and why, even though she did have a walkie 
talkie at first.  Then she did not ask the soldier she was with to use 
his.  She indicated that they should sacrifice themselves to save the 
kids, but she did not arrange for the kids to know that if they got it 
they would be carriers, not provide them with instruction on what to do 
and who to contact if she died.  She cause the disease to spread around 
the world.

~ If the infected are guided by instinct, why did the father kill the 
doctor with the butt of his gun and not bite like he did everyone else

There are many more, so small and easy to ignore, like a few listed 
above, but also a few big ones.

What bother you the most?



B. Smith wrote:
> Which holes bugged you the most? When the movie came out I had a few 
> gripes as well.
>
> BTW I heartily recommend World War Z and the monthly comic The Walking 
> Dead. Lots of zombie goodness in those.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey 
> L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think 
>> 
> it 
>   
>> will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking 
>> 
> forward 
>   
>> to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had 
>> 
> lots 
>   
>> of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, 
>> 
> but 
>   
>> they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there 
>> 
> is 
>   
>> going to be a third installment in Russia.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I remember it.  It used to come on Fridays late at night in Philly

James Landrith wrote:
> Upon experimenting with search terms, I have stumbled upon "Hammer House of
> Horror" originally broadcast in Europe in 1980 and repackaged for
> syndication in the U.S. in the mid-1980s.  This may be it.
>
> I'd have to watch an episode or two to verify:
>
> http://homepages.tesco.net/~dr.phibes/
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080231/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:05 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?
>
> No, but you got my attention.  anybody, anybody??
>
> James Landrith wrote:
>   
>> This discussion has reminded me of a series I used to watch in the late
>> 1980's.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I believe it came on Friday nights in the Peoria area in syndication.
>>
>>  
>>
>> The show was of UK origin and featured a new dark fantasy (and possibly
>> 
> and
>   
>> occasional science fiction theme) each week with no recurring characters -
>> kind of a dark fantasy Outer Limits.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Ring any bells?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Hey Rave;

What was Denzel's directorial debut?  I don't remember

ravenadal wrote:
> My fifteen year-old daughter refuses to watch movies on anything but 
> the iMac in my office.  The digital clarity is amazing and it is a 
> much more intimate experience (especially with the lights out).
>
> I remember sitting in my high-backed, wide bottomed leather office 
> chair a couple of years ago watching Denzel Washington's directorial 
> debut on the i-Mac with my daughter on my lap and a son on either 
> side of me.  Man, that was good viewing.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I¹m going to say something that will probably have my US citizenship
>> revoked.
>>
>> I have a Vizio brand 52 inch LCD HDTV big screen TV, and I hardly 
>> 
> watch it.
>   
>> In fact, I think if I got rid of it, and I¹d be pretty happy. I love
>> watching games and an occasional movie on it ...but you know what I 
>> 
> like
>   
>> even more? I have an iMac in my office since I think 2004. I LOVE 
>> 
> watching
>   
>> movies and TV shows on my computer. When I settled in to watch 
>> 
> Sliders
>   
>> season 1 (which is still $20 at Wal Mart, btw) -- iMac. 
>> 
> Transformers on DVD?
>   
>> iMac. When I watched the LOTR DVDs it was on a much  smaller TV in 
>> 
> my
>   
>> office. I enjoy watching that smaller TV with my son because we 
>> 
> have our own
>   
>> chairs to sit in and get comfortable. And he¹s 4, so it¹s not 
>> 
> really  about
>   
>> what¹s on screen, it¹s the time we¹re spending together. We could be
>> listening to  radio  serials and it would have the same effect. I 
>> 
> am waiting
>   
>> for the RE-remastered TOS episodes to go to iTunes because I will 
>> 
> download
>   
>> them all and watch them at the end of the day. I watch more TV on my
>> computer than I do on the screen. When I¹m on the road I watch DVDs 
>> 
> on my
>   
>> laptop, and if Apple steps up their anime game...iPhone. My iTunes 
>> 
> library
>   
>> is pretty big, I listen to more music and podcasts than I watch  
>> 
> network TV.
>   
>> IN fact, if it  weren¹t for TCM and football, I would only watch 
>> 
> like 3
>   
>> hours of programmed TV a week. I know I can get  most  of the 
>> 
> movies I like
>   
>> on TCM from GreenCine or Netflix. I have been thinking about 
>> 
> getting Setanta
>   
>> Sports. If I could get it so that I could watch EPL games on my 
>> 
> iMac or
>   
>> laptop...I would really have no reason to watch a large screen TV. 
>> 
> In fact,
>   
>> I should run the numbers on what I  would be spending if I got a 
>> 
> package to
>   
>> watch soccer on my computers and bought tickets to go SEE football 
>>     
> games I
>   
>> wanted to see in Charlotte. If I downgraded my cable package, I may 
>> 
> actually
>   
>> end up spending the same amount of money and would have more fun.
>>
>> Of course,  as I say all this, I ended up getting the Blade Runner 
>> 
> DVD for
>   
>> Christmas and have not watched it yet. Once I do,  I will probably 
>> 
> be taking
>   
>> all of this back.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/07 5:50 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>     
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has 
>>>   
> changed
>   
>>> that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am 
>>>   
> getting
>   
>>> well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a 
>>>   
> reality
>   
>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>   
>>>>> I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent 
>>>>>   
> DVDs or
>   
>>>> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big 
>>>> 
> screen TV...
>   
>>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>>>   
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> > wrote:  
>>>> 
> Agreed. While
>   
>>>> I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big 

Toy Trains Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Then we will have to get it.  me and her uncle, like to by her toys that 
we miss so we can play with them too.  ( I feel no shame in admitting 
that) Both of us miss the trains.  I'm going to check them out.  Thanks 
for the tip

James Landrith wrote:
> They are easy to assemble - with simple male and female joints.
> Occasionally, a piece of track may be cut a little off so that the fit is
> tight - but that is the exception.  Overall, she ought to be able to connect
> the track pieces herself.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 7:40 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
> I was thinking of getting Kira set next year, maybe we will try Brio 
> wooden tracks too.  Are they easy to assemble.  One of the reasons I put 
> it off this year was tht I did not realize I would be better and I did 
> not think she could assemble the tracks on her own
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

No, but you got my attention.  anybody, anybody??

James Landrith wrote:
> This discussion has reminded me of a series I used to watch in the late
> 1980's.
>
>  
>
> I believe it came on Friday nights in the Peoria area in syndication.
>
>  
>
> The show was of UK origin and featured a new dark fantasy (and possibly and
> occasional science fiction theme) each week with no recurring characters -
> kind of a dark fantasy Outer Limits.
>
>  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Sometimes my box gets so filled, I have to do a mass delete.  
Unfortunately I missed it, but we are probably going to do a 
nightwatch/.daywatch movie afternoon on new years day. 

maidmarian_thepoet wrote:
> I was raving about "DayWatch" just a few weeks ago.  I loved it, 
> especially the imagery.  It's non-western so the choices of 
> representative imagery is just slightly off from the way we see things 
> done over-and-over-and-over.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just 
>> 
> saw a 
>   
>> preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it 
>> 
> or 
>   
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Well ya fit in here fine!

Martin wrote:
> Forgot to add on the literal "duck out of water" premise, which I sympathize 
> with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
> question you had to anticipate... why?
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
>> movie secrets.
>>
>> I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
>>> any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the 
>>> Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
>>> on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
>>> with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
>>> acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever 
>>> or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, 
>>> don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and 
>>> loved it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The 
>>> Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And 
>>> "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and 
>>> things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
>>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth 
>>> of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>
>>> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced 
>>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
>>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
>>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
>>> on Wednesday.
>>> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to 
>>> the 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
>>> flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
>>> Lincoln's assassination.
>>> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
>>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
>>> Pictures.
>>> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
>>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
>>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas 
>>> Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>>> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 
>>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both 
>>> after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and 
>>> DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough 
>>> guesses.
>>> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile 
>>> vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as 
>>> many theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner 
>>> Bros.
>>> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
>>> first five days. After a low-key openi

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Well there is know duplicating the 50 people yelling at the screen 
experience that you crave I know there is know getting you out of the 
theatre.  Regarding the Big Room/ Small Room conflict.  Chris and I have 
the reverse.  He loves big open room and I like lots of small cozy 
rooms. If we had the large open living room with the high ceilings, i 
would hang out in the office or the bedroom.  They look pretty, but I 
feel like I am in a lobby or waiting room. 

 I did the pillow fort thing too.  My daughter gets me to do it with her 
now.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i don't like small TVs or screens. My living room TV is 32" and i can't wait 
> to upgrade to a 42" or 50" plasma so i can watch it from the den as well. 
> (that'll proabably be next Christmas, though).  I really like to see detail 
> on the screen, so small screens bug me. i like to be immersed in the complete 
> audio-visual experience (which is why, Tracey, I'll never give up the 
> theatrical experience, even when i get a big flatscreen).
>
> I do feel you on the small rooms, though. i wonder if it's because I grew up 
> in a small house (five rooms, three brothers in one bedroom) but I like 
> smaller, cozier, feeling rooms. When I see apartments or houses with giant 
> open plans and soaring, vaulted ceilings, i feel nervous and exposed. 
> Seriously. The biggest thing my wife and i had when we bought our house is 
> that, since it's older, it has smaller, discrete rooms, and only 8' ceilings. 
> My wife--who is only 5' tall--feels closed in by the rooms and the "low" 
> ceiling. But I--standing 6'1"--feel just fine. She wants our next house to be 
> open plan, where the kitchen, den, and living room are all more or less 
> visible, similar to one big one. She even has been talking about getting a 
> loft. My comment to her was that if we do that, i'll almost never be in the 
> living room, probably spending all my time in a smaller guest bedroom. And a 
> loft is right out, i'm afraid.
>
>
> I was the kind of kid who'd find a spot on the couch, then cover myself in 
> pillows to have a "fort" or something, and feel completely snug and 
> comfortable. The first time I left my neighborhood on foot (instead of in a 
> car) i was a young child walking our dogs with my mom. My old neighborhood is 
> surrounded by freeways, a river, and a railroad track, and has lots of trees. 
> It's one of those where you can feel a bit sequesterd in spots. So, when we 
> walked out of the neighborhood i was greeted by the sight of the trees 
> dropping away to reveal a large expanse of flat land that ran to the freeway, 
> which arcs upward to a bridge. All around me was open sky, open fields, a 
> giant freeway. I freaked out and had to walk back. Soon as I got behind the 
> cover of the trees again, i felt better.  
>
> To this day really open spaces make me feel a bit nervous and exposed. You 
> know how some people have nightmares about being entrapped, closed in? My 
> nightmares typically find me in an open plain, flat to the horizon, with the 
> exception of a giant building or ship towering above me. The terror i feel at 
> standing in the shadow of a giant cruise ship or spaceship or building 
> towering a thousand feet above me is hard to describe. Yet i'm not afraid of 
> heights...
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the "storage room" 
> I speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big 
> rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save 
> for book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily 
> enough.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I 
> actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
> my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to 
> watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
> small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally 
> alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large 
> TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs?
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.
>>
>> I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30" once, and hated the thing. I kept in 
>> in my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. 
>> Since, I've owned nothing bigger than a 19" screen. Right now, I have a 13"
>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Netflix says it is on the way.  I'm going to check out Wanted.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Tracey de Morsella wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>> Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
>> preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or 
>> its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good 
>> reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it 
>> came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as "Star Wars 
>> Meets the Vampires in Moscow."
>> 
>
>
> The plots can be convoluted at times, often taking a backseat to cool special 
> effects but they're both fun to watch. Think Highlander with shape shifters, 
> psychics, vampires, magic and lots of red tape. "Night Watch" is the darker 
> film but the more light-hearted "Day Watch" is probably the better of the 
> two. 
> I'm really looking forward to the director's next project, "Wanted" with 
> Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy.
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World War Z Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Found it,
J. Michael Straczynski is currently writing the script
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816711/
Ten years after the human victory over the world wide Zombie epidemic, 
referred to as World War Z, Max Brooks scours the world collecting the 
stories and experiences of those who have survived the conflict that 
almost eradicated humanity.

You can read a script review at:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3947&Itemid=99

Martin wrote:
> I'm suprised that no one's optioned "World War Z" yet. Or am I behind the 
> curve?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Now they are doing Russia. I hate it. With a little effort with the 
> plot, it could have been a good plot. It seems as if screen writers are 
> getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

What is "World War Z" ?

Martin wrote:
> I'm suprised that no one's optioned "World War Z" yet. Or am I behind the 
> curve?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Now they are doing Russia. I hate it. With a little effort with the 
> plot, it could have been a good plot. It seems as if screen writers are 
> getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> My thoughts?
>>
>> They should've left it at "28 Days After".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I've never been a big 
>> zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days. I think it 
>> will one day be considered a classic. So I was really looking forward 
>> to the sequel. Well we finally checked it out last night. It had lots 
>> of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
>> they really let me down with the numerous plot holes. and now there is 
>> going to be a third installment in Russia.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I can related there with the small room thing too.  I used to have this 
big one room loft that doubled as a photography studio I shared with a 
business partner and I kept setting up these small living area nooks 
instead of using the whole space.  I hated the high ceilings  (weird 
huh).  If I ever get a loft again, I would get one with an actual loft 
section for sleeping or one that is sectioned up.  I know that is 
defeating the purpose.  My husband, who plays the guitar, loves the open 
space. 

Martin wrote:
> Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the "storage room" 
> I speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big 
> rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save 
> for book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily 
> enough.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I 
> actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
> my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to 
> watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
> small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally 
> alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large 
> TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs?
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.
>>
>> I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30" once, and hated the thing. I kept in 
>> in my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. 
>> Since, I've owned nothing bigger than a 19" screen. Right now, I have a 13"
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: We had one for a 
>> while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
>> that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
>> well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
>>
>> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Yeah.  Bee venom comes as a prescription, used off label.  Meaning it is 
FDA approved for desensitizing patients from bee-sting allergies, but 
some doctors are beginning to prescribe it for alleviating pain, 
inflammation and other ailments.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> the mother of a friend of mine kept bees twenty years ago because she was 
> developing arthritis. The bee stings definitely improved her condition 
> greatly. Though, is there a way to get the benefit from the venom without 
> getting stung? 
>
> -- Original message ------ 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Never!!! if you have pain, try looking into bee sting therapy. I 
> know it sound nuts, but I heard about it on NPR. It is a growing 
> practice here in the states and apparently very popular in Asia
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before 
>> construction season...So you're going back into modeling?
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> What happened to your shoulder?
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>> We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
>>> that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
>>> well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
>>>
>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
>>>> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
>>>>
>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>>> Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
>>>> changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
>>>> almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
>>>> until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
>>>>
>>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
>>>>> big screen
>>>>> and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
>>>>> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
>>>>> suggestion...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>> you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
>>>>> late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I 
>>>>> feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i 
>>>>> heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember 
>>>>> feeling vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
>>>>> I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, 
>>>>> or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
>>>>> Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
>>>>> Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>>> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
>>>>> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
>>>>> stay with them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Daryle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>> The End of the Dominion War.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I get the quality time with the pre-schooler motive.  This morning, 
after getting me up at an ungodly hour, mine just climbed on to the 
couch I was napping on, got under the covers with me, said "Maggie is 
cool" - That is "Maggie and the Ferocious Beast" for the pre-school TV 
uninitiated.  After I agreed, she gave me a big hug and said I was her 
"very best friend in the whole world"  I'm s hooked on this stuff. 
So yeah, I get the little TV with the special chairs thing. 

Daryle wrote:
> I¹m going to say something that will probably have my US citizenship
> revoked.
>
> I have a Vizio brand 52 inch LCD HDTV big screen TV, and I hardly watch it.
> In fact, I think if I got rid of it, and I¹d be pretty happy. I love
> watching games and an occasional movie on it ...but you know what I like
> even more? I have an iMac in my office since I think 2004. I LOVE watching
> movies and TV shows on my computer. When I settled in to watch Sliders
> season 1 (which is still $20 at Wal Mart, btw) -- iMac. Transformers on DVD?
> iMac. When I watched the LOTR DVDs it was on a much  smaller TV in my
> office. I enjoy watching that smaller TV with my son because we have our own
> chairs to sit in and get comfortable. And he¹s 4, so it¹s not really  about
> what¹s on screen, it¹s the time we¹re spending together. We could be
> listening to  radio  serials and it would have the same effect. I am waiting
> for the RE-remastered TOS episodes to go to iTunes because I will download
> them all and watch them at the end of the day. I watch more TV on my
> computer than I do on the screen. When I¹m on the road I watch DVDs on my
> laptop, and if Apple steps up their anime game...iPhone. My iTunes library
> is pretty big, I listen to more music and podcasts than I watch  network TV.
> IN fact, if it  weren¹t for TCM and football, I would only watch like 3
> hours of programmed TV a week. I know I can get  most  of the movies I like
> on TCM from GreenCine or Netflix. I have been thinking about getting Setanta
> Sports. If I could get it so that I could watch EPL games on my iMac or
> laptop...I would really have no reason to watch a large screen TV. In fact,
> I should run the numbers on what I  would be spending if I got a package to
> watch soccer on my computers and bought tickets to go SEE football games I
> wanted to see in Charlotte. If I downgraded my cable package, I may actually
> end up spending the same amount of money and would have more fun.
>
> Of course,  as I say all this, I ended up getting the Blade Runner DVD for
> Christmas and have not watched it yet. Once I do,  I will probably be taking
> all of this back.
>
>
>
> On 12/27/07 5:50 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed
>> that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting
>> well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>> 
>>>> I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or
>>>> 
>>> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
>>>   
>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>> 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> > wrote:  Agreed. 
>>> While
>>> I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen
>>>   
>>>> changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing
>>>> almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix
>>>> until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
>>>>
>>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the
>>>>>> 
>>>> big screen
>>>> 
>>>>>> and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...)
>>>>>> 
>>>> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a
>>>> suggestion...
>>>> 
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net>  wrote:
>>>>>> you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really
>>>>>> 
>>>> late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel
>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Hey Bosco:

Thanks for the heads up about the thread.  for anyone interested it is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/6472

Are you going to see Daywatch?

Bosco Bosco wrote:
> There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago about Night Watch. I
> sought it out on Netflix because of that post. I found it to be
> relatively interesting and fun. I have trouble with subtitles but
> it's just my poor ability to read and watch TV at the same time. It's
> definitely an entertaining movie though not great film either. It's
> clearly plot driven rather than effects driven and that always makes
> me happy.
>
> Bosco
> --- Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I own "Night Watch", both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the
>> chance to really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places,
>> but a good story overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for "Day
>> Watch".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Looking for some flix
>> to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
>> preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it
>> or 
>> its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good
>>
>> reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I
>> think it 
>> came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as "Star
>> Wars 
>> Meets the Vampires in Moscow."
>>
>> See the plot summaries below.
>>
>> Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
>> best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei
>> Lukyanenko 
>> plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the
>> superhuman 
>> Night Watch patrollers (known as the "Others") against the shadowed
>>
>> forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the
>> lines of 
>> an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal
>>
>> could bring chaos to the land.
>>
>>
>> Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle
>> of a 
>> mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel
>> to 
>> Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son,
>> who 
>> has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an
>> ancient 
>> artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy
>> peace 
>> between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
>> cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.
>>
>>
>>  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I've actually had success in the past. The pain from my illness drove me 
back to the night.  Once that went away and I started working again, 
late night phone meetings with people I am doing business with overseas 
drove me back to my vampire-like sleeping habits.  I was in recovery, 
but a night of playing Santa's elf with toy assembly has me falling off 
the wagon again.  I would not work so hard at it, but living on the west 
coast, has my business hours behind those on the East coast, so if I 
sleep late, I'm calling customers back at the end of the business day

Reece Jennings wrote:
> Amen.  And let me know if you're successful with that 'normal hours' thing.
> I gave
> up on that a long time ago.  Seems I was getting stressed about getting to
> sleep, 
> and that was keeping me awake!  :o)
>  
> Now, I set the timer on my TV and put on my CPAP before I start watching TV.
> I invariably wake up about six hours later rested, and with fewer nightmares
> caused by my TV freaking out my subconscious.  That, and I stopped drinking
> coffee...gr...
>  
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:55 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
>
>
>
> Tracey, know this.
>
> No matter how tough those times may get, we're here for you.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> wrote: I do
> not know. I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
> prophet's rescue. I would like to see the whole series again. it comes 
> on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
> experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours. Tough times ahead
>
> KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote:
>   
>> Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming
>> 
> through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be
> the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War,
> technically. 
>   
>> At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a
>> 
> virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion,
> which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally
> joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko
> and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to
> come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side,
> so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the
> Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd
> been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the
> Changeling home world and gave them the cure. 
>   
>> Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>     
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> aladvantage.com> 
>   
>> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
>> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
>> stay with them?
>>
>> Daryle wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> The End of the Dominion War.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com>
>>>   
> aladvantage.com> wrote:
>   
>>>
>>>   
>>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>>
>>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>>> superior soc

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

they got it on Netflix.  David Hasselhoff is in it too.  Totally missed 
this one

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of this film, let alone seen 
> it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically bad flick. Gotta find it!
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
> sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
> Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
> planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him "Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
> leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
> was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly 
> the Emperor looks at them and says "Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
> Univese for nothing." He then looks to the sky and says "Spaceship! Halt the 
> flow of time!" There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
> groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with 
> it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!
>
> Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't 
> NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the 
> script...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a 
> super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and 
> unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 ("How will you atone 
> for the sin of murder"..."This computer must die..."), Nomad ("Nomad, you've 
> made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive". "Boom!") 
> and Landru ("You are not protecting the Body!" "Landru! Help me! Boom!") 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
>> movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
>> Trek Next Generation 
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
>> Independence Day" 
>>
>> Got any others 
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] McDuffie's BBS?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I did too, but I sometimes forget about web boards I like.  I need that 
email prompt.  I'll have to find it and revisited

Martin wrote:
> I'm registered, but haven't been there in months. Don't know if I'll have the 
> time in the near-future.
>
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>  how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro Hal 
>  Jordan battle among fandom being about race.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Got it on Netflix

Martin wrote:
> I own "Night Watch", both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the chance to 
> really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places, but a good story 
> overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for "Day Watch".
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
> preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or 
> its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good 
> reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it 
> came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as "Star Wars 
> Meets the Vampires in Moscow."
>
> See the plot summaries below.
>
> Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
> best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei Lukyanenko 
> plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the superhuman 
> Night Watch patrollers (known as the "Others") against the shadowed 
> forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the lines of 
> an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal 
> could bring chaos to the land.
>
>
> Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle of a 
> mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel to 
> Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son, who 
> has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an ancient 
> artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy peace 
> between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
> cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I actually like small tvs myself.  I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
my husband when we first started living together.  if we both wanted to 
watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
small TV in the bedroom.  I like the coziness.So you are not totally 
alone in your penchant for small TVs.  However, I would not put a large 
TV in a storage room.  I like them too.  Why do you prefer small TVs?

Martin wrote:
> I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.
>
> I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30" once, and hated the thing. I kept in in 
> my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. Since, 
> I've owned nothing bigger than a 19" screen. Right now, I have a 13"
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We had one for a while, but all this cross 
> continent moving has changed 
>  that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting 
>  well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
>  
>  Astromancer wrote:
>  > I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
>  >
>  > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>  Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
>  > changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
>  > almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
>  > until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
>  >
>  > Astromancer wrote:
>  >   
>  >> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
> big screen
>  >> and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
> suggestion...
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  >> you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
> late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
> asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an 
> ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely 
> angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
>  >>
>  >> I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
> I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
> getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
> Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
> Trek, or DS9. 
>  >>
>  >> I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
>  >>
>  >> -- Original message -- 
>  >> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  >> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
>  >> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
>  >> stay with them?
>  >>
>  >> Daryle wrote:
>  >>
>  >> 
>  >>> The End of the Dominion War.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>  >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>
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>  >>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>  >>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>  >>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>  >>>>
>  >>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>  >>>> Trek Next Generation
>  >>>>
>  >>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>  >>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>  >>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>  >>>> Independence Day"
>  >>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Now they are doing Russia.  I hate it.  With a little effort with the 
plot, it could have been a good plot.  It seems as if screen writers are 
getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days

Martin wrote:
> My thoughts?
>
> They should've left it at "28 Days After".
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think it 
> will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking forward 
> to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had lots 
> of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
> they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there is 
> going to be a third installment in Russia.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Never!!!if you have pain, try looking into bee sting therapy.  I 
know it sound nuts, but I heard about it on NPR.  It is a growing 
practice here in the states and apparently very popular in Asia

Astromancer wrote:
> I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before 
> construction season...So you're going back into modeling?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   What happened to your shoulder?
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
>> that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
>> well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
>>> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>> Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
>>> changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
>>> almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
>>> until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
>>>
>>> Astromancer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
>>>> big screen
>>>> and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
>>>> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
>>>> suggestion...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>> you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
>>>> late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
>>>> asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
>>>> an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
>>>> vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
>>>>
>>>> I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
>>>> I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, 
>>>> or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
>>>> Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
>>>> Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. 
>>>>
>>>> I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
>>>>
>>>> -- Original message -- 
>>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
>>>> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
>>>> stay with them?
>>>>
>>>> Daryle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> The End of the Dominion War.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>>>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>>>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>>>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>>>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>>>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>>>>> Independence Day"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got any others
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo! 

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

What happened to your shoulder?

Astromancer wrote:
> I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
> that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
> well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
>> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
>> changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
>> almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
>> until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
>>
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
>>> big screen
>>> and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
>>> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
>>> suggestion...
>>>
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
>>> late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
>>> asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
>>> an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
>>> vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
>>>
>>> I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
>>> keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
>>> getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
>>> Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
>>> original Trek, or DS9. 
>>>
>>> I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
>>> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
>>> stay with them?
>>>
>>> Daryle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> The End of the Dominion War.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>>>> Independence Day"
>>>>>
>>>>> Got any others
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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[scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think it 
will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking forward 
to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had lots 
of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there is 
going to be a third installment in Russia.

Any thoughts?


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting 
well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

Astromancer wrote:
> I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
> download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
> changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
> almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
> until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
>> big screen
>> and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
>> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
>> suggestion...
>>
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
>> late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
>> asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
>> an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
>> vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
>>
>> I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
>> keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
>> getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
>> Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
>> original Trek, or DS9. 
>>
>> I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
>> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
>> stay with them?
>>
>> Daryle wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> The End of the Dominion War.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>>
>>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>>> Independence Day"
>>>>
>>>> Got any others
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

That is bad!  You paid to see it in the theater?  I do not remember it.  
When did it come out?

Astromancer wrote:
> Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
> sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
> Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
> planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him "Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
> leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
> was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly 
> the Emperor looks at them and says "Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
> Univese for nothing." He then looks to the sky and says "Spaceship! Halt the 
> flow of time!" There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
> groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with 
> it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!
>
> Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I've always wondered...Why 
> didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was 
> in the script...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a 
> super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and 
> unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 ("How will you atone 
> for the sin of murder"..."This computer must die..."), Nomad ("Nomad, you've 
> made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive". "Boom!") 
> and Landru ("You are not protecting the Body!" "Landru! Help me! Boom!") 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
>> movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
>> Trek Next Generation 
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
>> Independence Day" 
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[scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or 
its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good 
reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it 
came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as "Star Wars 
Meets the Vampires in Moscow."

See the plot summaries below.

Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei Lukyanenko 
plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the superhuman 
Night Watch patrollers (known as the "Others") against the shadowed 
forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the lines of 
an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal 
could bring chaos to the land.


Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle of a 
mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel to 
Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son, who 
has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an ancient 
artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy peace 
between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] toys toys toys was Re: "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I feel your pain.  Mine comes in the form of legos and Cars, Cars, Cars. 
Tetsu chan is a beautiful name.  What does it mean? My daughter has had 
Batman, Spidey, Superman, Wolvervine etc since two.  She loves them and 
has them play with her fairies, pooh and Wizard of oz collections.  Hers 
do not fall, but many of them are twenty plus years old.  My Mom started 
collecting them from thrift stores ages ago.  You might want to try 
finding some small flat metal pieces and crazy glue them to bottom.  
I've seen little metal circles that seem harmless.  Another suggestion 
is to buy some toy blocks that are somewhat flat and crazy glue the 
figures to them.  I hope this helps

tetsuwanatom1 wrote:
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> 
>
> Tetsu-chan has much love for Thomas. I stumble over Thomas and 
> Friends every night and every morning. Wooden (wifey's preference), 
> die cast, plastic, no matter, he wants them . . . ALL.
>
> However, I pulled a JACK move and introduced him to the adventures of 
> Superman and Batman on Jetix. He may well be too young but I'm 
> starting him early. To that end, I bought him a set of JUSTICE LEAGUE 
> figures (based on the CN animation). Thing is, the figures kind of 
> suck. Too hard to stand up for a 3 year old. Anyone collecting these 
> sets have any recommendations?
>
>   
>> What a great way to head of the mania...and a smarter investment! I 
>> 
> have
>   
>> taken a cursory scan of eBay to see what the value of all the metal 
>> 
> sets and
>   
>> trains he has (the Thomas recall affected a very specific model 
>> 
> that we
>   
>> didn¹t have) --  and it¹s not that great a return.
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/07 3:14 PM, "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> Fortunately, my son skipped out on "Thomas." He did get into 
>>>   
> wooden trains
>   
>>> though.  We (me, wife and my father) bought him one of those 
>>>   
> expensive Brio
>   
>>> sets for his 4th birthday.  For various birthdays and Christmases 
>>>   
> following,
>   
>>> he received add-on tunnels, new cars, etc.  Charles spent many 
>>>   
> hours
>   
>>> assembling, disassembling and experimenting with track 
>>>   
> configurations.
>   
>>> At 10, he doesn't play with it much anymore, but being of solid 
>>>   
> wood and in
>   
>>> excellent condition - he'll be able to pass it on (hundreds of 
>>>   
> pieces, cars,
>   
>>> add-ons, etc.) to his children.
>>>
>>> I think this expensive Brio set was our way of heading off the 
>>>   
> Thomas mania
>   
>>> before it started...
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> ]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:07 PM
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:scifinoir2%
>>>   
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>   
>>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office -
>>>   
>  :(
>   
>>> Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was 
>>>   
> a major
>   
>>> recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not 
>>>   
> having
>   
>>> the train.  Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train?  What are 
>>>   
> they
>   
>>> teaching kids? "how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while
>>> respecting the corporate bosses !?!?!  I'm left scratching my 
>>>   
> head at
>   
>>> the end of some of those episodes.
>>>
>>> She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, 
>>>   
> so I
>   
>>> introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked.  
>>>   
> There was a
>   
>>> Green Lantern Show? When?
>>>
>>> Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, 
>>>   
> Dora is to
>   
>>> some degree.  Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like 
>>>   
> or can
>   
>>> tolerate.  However, once she is done with seeing them over and 
>>>   
> over  and
>   
>>> over, I need a break from them all.
>>>
>>&g

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Agreed.  While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
changes the whole movie experience.  You will come to love home viewing 
almost as much as the theatre.  Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
until you can by the collections.  I do that with lots of series

Astromancer wrote:
> Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big 
> screen
>  and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
> Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
> suggestion...
>
>   
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up 
> really late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I 
> feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i 
> heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
> vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
>
> I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
> keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
> getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
> Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
> Trek, or DS9. 
>
> I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
>
> ------ Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
> stay with them?
>
> Daryle wrote:
>   
>> The End of the Dominion War.
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>>
>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>> 
>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>
>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>
>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>> Independence Day"
>>>
>>> Got any others
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might 
> say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want 
> to get them interested." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

That's scary.  Didn't think you could get much cheesier than the first 
one.  :(

maidmarian_thepoet wrote:
> One of my co-workers went and he trashed it.  And he actually liked 
> the first one.
>
> It didn't sound interesting to me at all.  
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to 
>> 
> making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas 
> weekend. 
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