Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin,

i remember that ep.  earth force ships came out of hyperspace by B5 and the 
Minbari cruisers were there.  the earth force commander told her 2 leave and 
she said no.
  
"This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari.  Babylon 5 is under our protection.  
Withdraw or be destroyed."

"Negative.  We have authority here.  Do not force us to engage your ship."

"Why not? Only one Human captain has ever survived battle with the Minbari 
fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value
your lives, be somewhere else!"

Fate.

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 12:39 PM

Glad to make you laugh. Apologies for mucking it, though.




-[ Received Mail Content ]------
 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
creator, dies
 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:34:54 -0500
 From : "Adrianne Brennan" 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

YES! I was thinking of that EXACT line when I mentioned her, lol.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Oh, yeah, Adrianne. To give you Delenn's best line, as she was facing
down
> an EarthAlliance commander, "The only man ever to destroy a Minbari
ship is
> behind me. *You* are in *front* of me."
>
>
>
>
>
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
creator,
> dies
>
> Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0500
>
> From : "Adrianne Brennan" 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
> Between her and Delenn, I was set :D
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot
said, "Dr Sam
> > Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan
Ivanova's
> legendary
> > speech in B5.
> >
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie
Ivanov. I am
> > the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your
> sorry
> > a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last
living
> > thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
> >
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of
'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> >
> > Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> >
> > From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > And the other two times?
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Martin Baxter"
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of
science
> > fiction.
> > >
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my
television.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of
'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > >
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> > >
> > > To :
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway,
but blew
> it
> > to
> > > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on
the show.
> > Sigh…
> > > .. I know. Sex sells
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Martin Baxter
> 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Augustus Augustus]

AMEN

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net  wrote:
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:13 AM











Great characters on that show. I really liked Lando, G'Kar, 
Garibaldi, and the Ranger Marcus. Marcus was one of my favs, with his blend of 
seriousness that was overlaying a fundamentally humorous view of the world. 
Remember the ep when he fought a Minbari guy to protect D'lenn and the guy beat 
him up badly? Later the dude realizes that Marcus was actually adhering to the 
mores of Minbari culture more than he was, and visits Marcus in the hospital, 
thanking him for teaching him a lesson. Marcus gasps, "The next time you feel 
the need to learn a lesson, could you try to make it not so painful?" at which 
point dude burst into laughter. Classic Marcus. Or there's the time when Marcus 
needs information from a roomful of guys, and starts telling them how many of 
them will be conscious after so many minutes if they don't cooperate. Later, 
he's taken out the *whole* room, then exclaims "Oh bollocks! Now I have to wait 
for someone to wake up!"



His sacrifice for Ivanova was one of the best scenes in the series...



 -- Original message  - -

From: "Adrianne Brennan" 

> Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.

> Between her and Delenn, I was set :D

> 

> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~

> http://www.adrianne brennan.com

> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:

> http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html

> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:

> http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html

> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:

> http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ theoath_bound. html

> 

> 

> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter  lycos.com>wrote:

> 

> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam

> > Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary

> > speech in B5.

> >

> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am

> > the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry

> > a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living

> > thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."

> >

> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--

> >

> >  Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,

> > dies

> >

> >  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +

> >

> >  From : KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net

> >

> >  To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >

> >

> > And the other two times?

> >

> >   -- Original message ---- ----- -

> > From: "Martin Baxter"

> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science

> > fiction.

> > >

> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--

> > >

> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,

> > dies

> > >

> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800

> > >

> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella"

> > >

> > > To :

> > >

> > >

> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it

> > to

> > > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.

> > Sigh…

> > > .. I know. Sex sells

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of Martin Baxter

> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM

> > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,

> > dies

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--

> > > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

I'm choking up just thinking about that moment...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:13:23 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Great characters on that show. I really liked Lando, G'Kar, Garibaldi, and the 
Ranger Marcus. Marcus was one of my favs, with his blend of seriousness that 
was overlaying a fundamentally humorous view of the world. Remember the ep when 
he fought a Minbari guy to protect D'lenn and the guy beat him up badly? Later 
the dude realizes that Marcus was actually adhering to the mores of Minbari 
culture more than he was, and visits Marcus in the hospital, thanking him for 
teaching him a lesson. Marcus gasps, "The next time you feel the need to learn 
a lesson, could you try to make it not so painful?" at which point dude burst 
into laughter. Classic Marcus. Or there's the time when Marcus needs 
information from a roomful of guys, and starts telling them how many of them 
will be conscious after so many minutes if they don't cooperate. Later, he's 
taken out the *whole* room, then exclaims "Oh bollocks! Now I have to wait for 
someone to wake up!"

His sacrifice for Ivanova was one of the best scenes in the series...


 -- Original message --
From: "Adrianne Brennan" 
> Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
> Between her and Delenn, I was set :D
> 
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> > Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary
> > speech in B5.
> >
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> > the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry
> > a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> > thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
> >
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> >
> > Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> >
> > From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > And the other two times?
> >
> > ------ Original message ----------
> > From: "Martin Baxter"
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> > fiction.
> > >
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > >
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> > >
> > > To :
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it
> > to
> > > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> > Sigh�
> > > .. I know. Sex sells
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Martin Baxter
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> > > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Glad to make you laugh. Apologies for mucking it, though.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:34:54 -0500

 From : "Adrianne Brennan" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


YES! I was thinking of that EXACT line when I mentioned her, lol.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Oh, yeah, Adrianne. To give you Delenn's best line, as she was facing down
> an EarthAlliance commander, "The only man ever to destroy a Minbari ship is
> behind me. *You* are in *front* of me."
>
>
>
>
>
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]------
>
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
>
> Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0500
>
> From : "Adrianne Brennan" 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
> Between her and Delenn, I was set :D
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> > Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's
> legendary
> > speech in B5.
> >
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> > the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your
> sorry
> > a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> > thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
> >
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> >
> > Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> >
> > From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > And the other two times?
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Martin Baxter"
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> > fiction.
> > >
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > >
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> > >
> > > To :
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew
> it
> > to
> > > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> > Sigh…
> > > .. I know. Sex sells
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Martin Baxter
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > > From : "Meta"
> > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Had the feeling that I had the quote wrong, so I looked it up. This is it, 
precisely. With the prompt, "Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us 
to engage your ship.", Delenn replies, "Why not? Only one Human captain has 
ever survived battle with a
Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value
your lives, be somewhere else!"

Much better effect, eh?





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0500

 From : "Adrianne Brennan" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
Between her and Delenn, I was set :D

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary
> speech in B5.
>
> "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry
> a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
>
> As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
>
> Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
>
> From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> And the other two times?
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter"
> > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> fiction.
> >
> > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> >
> > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> >
> > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> >
> > To :
> >
> >
> > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it
> to
> > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> Sigh…
> > .. I know. Sex sells
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Martin Baxter
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > From : "Meta"
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > Next Gen
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> > Too bad
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > > unexplored potential
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> > female following they have.
> >
> > Meta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Adrianne Brennan]

YES! I was thinking of that EXACT line when I mentioned her, lol.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Oh, yeah, Adrianne. To give you Delenn's best line, as she was facing down
> an EarthAlliance commander, "The only man ever to destroy a Minbari ship is
> behind me. *You* are in *front* of me."
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
>
>  Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0500
>
>  From : "Adrianne Brennan" 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
> Between her and Delenn, I was set :D
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> > Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's
> legendary
> > speech in B5.
> >
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> > the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your
> sorry
> > a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> > thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
> >
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> >
> > Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> >
> > From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > And the other two times?
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Martin Baxter"
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> > fiction.
> > >
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > >
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> > >
> > > To :
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew
> it
> > to
> > > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> > Sigh…
> > > .. I know. Sex sells
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Martin Baxter
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator,
> > dies
> > > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > > From : "Meta"
> > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > > Next Gen
> > > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> > > Too bad
> > > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > > > unexplored potential
> > > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> > > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> > > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> > > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> > > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> > > female following they have.
> > >
> > > Meta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

You *would* think that, especially inside the Beltway.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:42:26 -0800 (PST)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


actually, i liked both SG-1 and SG-A, but what was funny 2 me was that, every 
planet they went 2 on either show were kool with seeing them.  SG-1 all the 
people knew about the G'ould and in almost every ep of SG-A they knew about the 
Wraith.  the only people who did not know about aliens were the people of 
EARTH!  with the  DoD and the IOA both runnig stuff, someone had 2 know and 
leak SOMETHING!  

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:45 AM

LMNAO

Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug of
root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top
that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip,
you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down
immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff
I've ever had! I'm never trying that again!" 

And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the same
result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just
can't get enough of it...




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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
creator, dies
 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500
 From : "Justin Mohareb" 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US
goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
told it's for the best.

Justin

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM, wrote:
> I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on
the
> Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak
scifi
> where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going
while
> better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That
pulled
> me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate
for
> a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
>


-- 
Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Oh, yeah, Adrianne. To give you Delenn's best line, as she was facing down an 
EarthAlliance commander, "The only man ever to destroy a Minbari ship is behind 
me. *You* are in *front* of me."





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0500

 From : "Adrianne Brennan" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
Between her and Delenn, I was set :D

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary
> speech in B5.
>
> "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry
> a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
>
> As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
>
> Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
>
> From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> And the other two times?
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter"
> > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> fiction.
> >
> > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> >
> > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> >
> > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> >
> > To :
> >
> >
> > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it
> to
> > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> Sigh…
> > .. I know. Sex sells
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Martin Baxter
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > From : "Meta"
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > Next Gen
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> > Too bad
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > > unexplored potential
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> > female following they have.
> >
> > Meta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Yep.

When Spike began airing the series, I tried to sit down and watch them. 
*Really*, I did. But the urge to run was just too strong...





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:05:57 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I agree. I thought Jennifer Lien as Kes was great. Kes had a calmness, a 
solidity to her, that I found appealing. I only hated the way she was paired 
with Neelix, but fortunately the were broken up. Kes's relationship with Tuvok 
was good, especially as it allowed us to learn more about both Kes's burgeoning 
powers, as well as Tuvok's own Vulcan mental powers and disciplines. It was a 
great potential storyline: a master teaching a student who was basically 
already surpassing him, but with none of his control and discipline. 

I read that Lien herself wanted to leave Voyager, not that she was fired. Too 
bad, cause the way they wrote her out was horrible,and then when they brought 
her back in another time travel story, the fact that she was murderous just 
didn't work.

So, Martin, does that mean there are whole seasons of Voyager you still haven't 
seen?
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> Dax, I have to disagree about Shark-of-Nine being better than Kes. Both 
> characters had potential to be strong female role models, but the Killer Bees 
> underused Kes and made Shark-of-Nine Eye Candy First Class. The show lost me 
> because of her final introduction. They could've put her in a neo-Starfleet 
> uni 
> and left some of her implants intact, to demonstrate that she was 
> symbolically 
> beginning the journey from dronedom to humanity. Instead, they do a lingering 
> shot of her in a catsuit and three-inch heels. That told me that they weren't 
> after my brain, but the head I keep in my boxers. I stopped watching the show 
> that night, picked it up only at the final episode (that *only* because I'd 
> had 
> an Internet rumor that Paramount was planning to shift their big-screen 
> franchise from TNG to V_____r).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> Date : Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44:55 -0500
> 
> From : "Dax" 
> 
> To : 
> 
> 
> I always thought that they focused too much on Seven. However you have to 
> admit she was better then Kess. Which to me caused many of the stores to 
> drag. Another good episode was "The Year of Hell." It was the only one that 
> made the point very clear that they were really alone, no Starfleet, no help 
> at all. The only one that would or you could say that Janeway was Rambo to 
> the bitter end.
> 
> As far as Captain Janeway knowing about the crewmen that were just getting 
> by--I don't recall any shows in Star Trek that had the captain spending time 
> with crewmen that were not part of the Senior Staff. I have always thought 
> it was up to the First Officer or the respective department heads that then 
> would tell the First Officer. Which then like Barkley would just simply been 
> traded out or go to Troi for a quick fix. Well if you want you can count 
> Kirk who was with a different female every week.
> 
> My only regret or the only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Borg 
> was not really a threat to them as it was to the TNG series. In the TNG 
> series you mention the Borg and you have the whole Alpha Quadrant up in arms 
> trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you compare the two ships Voyager 
> does not have any special weapons. Even though it is stated as being a 
> powerful ship in the fleet. Lets not forget the folding nacelle. Also to 
> make matters worse, they did not have a full complement of photon torpedoes. 
> However somehow with the help of Seven, they always managed to outwit the 
> Queen. Either she is getting too old or really don't want them as bad as she 
> always claim she does.
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> --
> From: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:32 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
> > Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces 
> > behind the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, 
> > Melinda Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, 
> > Majel Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because 
> > I know it does ha

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

That's great! That was another reason I didn't watch SG-1 all that much. The 
need for self-contained stories each week meant they went to planet after 
planet, blundering into all kinds of situations. They'd handle it as they saw 
fit, and often I was thinking "WTF? They just gave that planet advance weapons 
tech, now what will they do if they blow themselves up?" They would make 
treaties with whomever was convenient, fell governments when needed, radically 
shake up a culture as required, and often seemed oblivious to the potential 
consequences to a whole civilization. I guess that given Earth's own history of 
colonialism and imperialism in places like Africa, I can see how they'd start 
out being cluelessly self-serving. But after time they should have matured more 
to take the long view of their actions.
Atlantis tried to address it with a show recently in which Mitchell was put on 
trial for his peoples' actions in the Pegasus galaxy. I hear the show was in 
response to years' worth of fan complaint about this very lack of 
responsibility by the SG teams. But of course the one show is too little too 
late, and it was a clip show, which I despise, so lost opportunity there


 -- Original message --
From: "Justin Mohareb" 
> I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek".  The US
> goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
> and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
> told it's for the best.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,   wrote:
> > I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> > Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> > where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> > around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> > the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while
> > better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> > watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> > Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled
> > me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> > watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for
> > a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> > but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com


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I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek".  The US
goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
told it's for the best.

Justin

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,   wrote:
> I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while
> better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled
> me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for
> a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
>

-- 
Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com

  


	
	
	

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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

I hear you!
 -- Original message --
From: Augustus Augustus 
> Keith,
> 
> that's why my DVR records them all!  2AM
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
> wrote:
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:02 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Great one. I believe he was talking to Garak, the "tailor". That 
> ep 
> just aired a few days ago. Since Spike TV unfortunately sees fit to rerun DS9 
> at 
> 2 am, I was half asleep, but I clearly remember that scene.
> 
> 
> 
>  -- Original message  - -
> 
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> 
> > LMNAO!!! !
> 
> > 
> 
> > Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug 
> > of 
> 
> > root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy 
> > top 
> 
> > that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first 
> > sip, 
> 
> > you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down 
> 
> > immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff I've 
> ever 
> 
> > had! I'm never trying that again!" 
> 
> > 
> 
> > And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the 
> same 
> 
> > result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you 
> > just 
> 
> > can't get enough of it...
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
> > 
> 
> >  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
> > 
> 
> >  Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500
> 
> > 
> 
> >  From : "Justin Mohareb" 
> 
> > 
> 
> >  To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US
> 
> > goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
> 
> > and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
> 
> > told it's for the best.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Justin
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > > I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> 
> > > Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> 
> > > where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> 
> > > around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> 
> > > the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going 
> > > while
> 
> > > better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> 
> > > watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> 
> > > Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That 
> > > pulled
> 
> > > me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> 
> > > watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate 
> > > for
> 
> > > a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> 
> > > but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
> 
> > >
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > -- 
> 
> > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> 
> > http://thebitterguy .livejournal. com
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
>
>   
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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Keith,that's why my DVR records them all!  2AM--- On Mon, 1/5/09, KeithBJohnson@comcast.net comcast.net> wrote:From: KeithBJohnson@comcast.net comcast.net>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, diesTo: scifino...@yahoogroups.comDate: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:02 AM






Great one. I believe he was talking to Garak, the "tailor". That ep just aired a few days ago. Since Spike TV unfortunately sees fit

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Great characters on that show. I really liked Lando, G'Kar, Garibaldi, and the 
Ranger Marcus. Marcus was one of my favs, with his blend of seriousness that 
was overlaying a fundamentally humorous view of the world. Remember the ep when 
he fought a Minbari guy to protect D'lenn and the guy beat him up badly? Later 
the dude realizes that Marcus was actually adhering to the mores of Minbari 
culture more than he was, and visits Marcus in the hospital, thanking him for 
teaching him a lesson. Marcus gasps, "The next time you feel the need to learn 
a lesson, could you try to make it not so painful?" at which point dude burst 
into laughter. Classic Marcus. Or there's the time when Marcus needs 
information from a roomful of guys, and starts telling them how many of them 
will be conscious after so many minutes if they don't cooperate. Later, he's 
taken out the *whole* room, then exclaims "Oh bollocks! Now I have to wait for 
someone to wake up!"

His sacrifice for Ivanova was one of the best scenes in the series...


 -- Original message --
From: "Adrianne Brennan" 
> Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
> Between her and Delenn, I was set :D
> 
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> > Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary
> > speech in B5.
> >
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> > the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry
> > a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> > thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
> >
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> >  Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> >
> >  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> >
> >  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> >
> >  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > And the other two times?
> >
> >  -- Original message ----------
> > From: "Martin Baxter"
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> > fiction.
> > >
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > >
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> > >
> > > To :
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it
> > to
> > > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> > Sigh…
> > > .. I know. Sex sells
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Martin Baxter
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> > > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > > From : "Meta"
> > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > > Next Gen
> 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

My problem was the sameness of everything. Since the SG shows are all shot in 
the same place (British Columbia?) all the planets looked exactly the same. 
They all had trees that came straight from the Pacific Northwest, all had the 
same terrain. The aliens on all the planets were the same too: mostly West and 
Northern European, always living in the same cliched villages, with Central 
Casting elders, and primitive costumes right off the racks.  They tried to 
explain this by saying the G'ould had seeded the galaxy with humans, but the 
sameness was just irritating.
 -- Original message --
From: Augustus Augustus 
> actually, i liked both SG-1 and SG-A, but what was funny 2 me was that, every 
> planet they went 2 on either show were kool with seeing them.  SG-1 all the 
> people knew about the G'ould and in almost every ep of SG-A they knew about 
> the 
> Wraith.  the only people who did not know about aliens were the people of 
> EARTH!  
> with the  DoD and the IOA both runnig stuff, someone had 2 know and leak 
> SOMETHING!  
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:45 AM
> 
> LMNAO
> 
> Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug of
> root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top
> that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip,
> you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down
> immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff
> I've ever had! I'm never trying that again!" 
> 
> And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the 
> same
> result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just
> can't get enough of it...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator, dies
>  Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500
>  From : "Justin Mohareb" 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US
> goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
> and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
> told it's for the best.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,  wrote:
> > I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on
> the
> > Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak
> scifi
> > where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> > around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> > the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going
> while
> > better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> > watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> > Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That
> pulled
> > me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> > watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate
> for
> > a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> > but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> 
> 
>   


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actually, i liked both SG-1 and SG-A, but what was funny 2 me was that, every planet they went 2 on either show were kool with seeing them.  SG-1 all the people knew about the G'ould and in almost every ep of SG-A they knew about the Wraith.  the only people who did not know about aliens were the people of EARTH!  with the  DoD and the IOA both runnig stuff, someone had 2 know and leak SOMETHING!  --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Martin Baxter lycos.com> wrote:From: Martin Baxter lycos.com>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, diesTo: scifino...@yahoogroups.comDate: Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:45
 AMLMNAOReminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug ofroot beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy topthat sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip,you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it downimmedi

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Augustus Augustus]

Keith,

that's why my DVR records them all!  2AM

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net  wrote:
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:02 AM











Great one. I believe he was talking to Garak, the "tailor". That ep 
just aired a few days ago. Since Spike TV unfortunately sees fit to rerun DS9 
at 2 am, I was half asleep, but I clearly remember that scene.



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From: "Martin Baxter" 

> LMNAO!!! !

> 

> Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug 
> of 

> root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top 

> that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip, 

> you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down 

> immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff I've 
> ever 

> had! I'm never trying that again!" 

> 

> And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the 
> same 

> result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just 

> can't get enough of it...

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--

> 

>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies

> 

>  Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500

> 

>  From : "Justin Mohareb" 

> 

>  To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> 

> I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US

> goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,

> and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're

> told it's for the best.

> 

> Justin

> 

> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,  wrote:

> > I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the

> > Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi

> > where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped

> > around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like

> > the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while

> > better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me

> > watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the

> > Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled

> > me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me

> > watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for

> > a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,

> > but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.

> >

> 

> 

> -- 

> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.

> http://thebitterguy .livejournal. com

> 

> 

> 

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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

I agree. I thought Jennifer Lien as Kes was great. Kes had a calmness, a 
solidity to her, that I found appealing. I only hated the way she was paired 
with Neelix, but fortunately the were broken up. Kes's relationship with Tuvok 
was good, especially as it allowed us to learn more about both Kes's burgeoning 
powers, as well as Tuvok's own Vulcan mental powers and disciplines. It was a 
great potential storyline: a master teaching a student who was basically 
already surpassing him, but with none of his control and discipline. 

I read that Lien herself wanted to leave Voyager, not that she was fired. Too 
bad, cause the way they wrote her out was horrible,and then when they brought 
her back in another time travel story, the fact that she was murderous just 
didn't work.

So, Martin, does that mean there are whole seasons of Voyager you still haven't 
seen?
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> Dax, I have to disagree about Shark-of-Nine being better than Kes. Both 
> characters had potential to be strong female role models, but the Killer Bees 
> underused Kes and made Shark-of-Nine Eye Candy First Class. The show lost me 
> because of her final introduction. They could've put her in a neo-Starfleet 
> uni 
> and left some of her implants intact, to demonstrate that she was 
> symbolically 
> beginning the journey from dronedom to humanity. Instead, they do a lingering 
> shot of her in a catsuit and three-inch heels. That told me that they weren't 
> after my brain, but the head I keep in my boxers. I stopped watching the show 
> that night, picked it up only at the final episode (that *only* because I'd 
> had 
> an Internet rumor that Paramount was planning to shift their big-screen 
> franchise from TNG to V_____r).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44:55 -0500
> 
>  From : "Dax" 
> 
>  To : 
> 
> 
> I always thought that they focused too much on Seven. However you have to 
> admit she was better then Kess. Which to me caused many of the stores to 
> drag. Another good episode was "The Year of Hell." It was the only one that 
> made the point very clear that they were really alone, no Starfleet, no help 
> at all. The only one that would or you could say that Janeway was Rambo to 
> the bitter end.
> 
> As far as Captain Janeway knowing about the crewmen that were just getting 
> by--I don't recall any shows in Star Trek that had the captain spending time 
> with crewmen that were not part of the Senior Staff. I have always thought 
> it was up to the First Officer or the respective department heads that then 
> would tell the First Officer. Which then like Barkley would just simply been 
> traded out or go to Troi for a quick fix. Well if you want you can count 
> Kirk who was with a different female every week.
> 
> My only regret or the only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Borg 
> was not really a threat to them as it was to the TNG series. In the TNG 
> series you mention the Borg and you have the whole Alpha Quadrant up in arms 
> trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you compare the two ships Voyager 
> does not have any special weapons. Even though it is stated as being a 
> powerful ship in the fleet. Lets not forget the folding nacelle. Also to 
> make matters worse, they did not have a full complement of photon torpedoes. 
> However somehow with the help of Seven, they always managed to outwit the 
> Queen. Either she is getting too old or really don't want them as bad as she 
> always claim she does.
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> --
> From: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:32 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
> > Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces 
> > behind the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, 
> > Melinda Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, 
> > Majel Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because 
> > I know it does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in 
> > the same category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the 
> > books and fan fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the 
> > movies--with the exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too 
> > Saturday morning for me to discuss much in

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Great one. I believe he was talking to Garak, the "tailor". That ep just aired 
a few days ago. Since Spike TV unfortunately sees fit to rerun DS9 at 2 am, I 
was half asleep, but I clearly remember that scene.

 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> LMNAO
> 
> Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug 
> of 
> root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top 
> that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip, 
> you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down 
> immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff I've 
> ever 
> had! I'm never trying that again!" 
> 
> And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the 
> same 
> result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just 
> can't get enough of it...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500
> 
>  From : "Justin Mohareb" 
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US
> goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
> and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
> told it's for the best.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,  wrote:
> > I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> > Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> > where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> > around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> > the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while
> > better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> > watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> > Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled
> > me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> > watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for
> > a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> > but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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   LMNAOReminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug of root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip, you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff I've ever had! I'm never trying that again!" And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the same result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just can't get enough of it...
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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500
 From : "Justin Mohareb" gmail.com>
 To : scifino...@yahoogroups.com

I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek".  The US
goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
told it's for the best.

Justin

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,   wrote:
> I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while
> better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled
> me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for
> a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
>


-- 
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Adrianne Brennan]

Oh gods, one of my fav B5 characters, hands down.
Between her and Delenn, I was set :D

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam
> Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary
> speech in B5.
>
> "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am
> the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry
> a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living
> thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."
>
> As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
>
>  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
>
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> And the other two times?
>
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter"
> > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science
> fiction.
> >
> > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> >
> > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> >
> > From : "Tracey de Morsella"
> >
> > To :
> >
> >
> > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it
> to
> > hell with the way they handled Seven's overbearing story on the show.
> Sigh…
> > .. I know. Sex sells
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Martin Baxter
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > From : "Meta"
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > Next Gen
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> > Too bad
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > > unexplored potential
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> > female following they have.
> >
> > Meta
> >
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Augustus Augustus]

actually, i liked both SG-1 and SG-A, but what was funny 2 me was that, every 
planet they went 2 on either show were kool with seeing them.  SG-1 all the 
people knew about the G'ould and in almost every ep of SG-A they knew about the 
Wraith.  the only people who did not know about aliens were the people of 
EARTH!  with the  DoD and the IOA both runnig stuff, someone had 2 know and 
leak SOMETHING!  

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:45 AM

LMNAO

Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug of
root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top
that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip,
you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down
immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff
I've ever had! I'm never trying that again!" 

And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the same
result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just
can't get enough of it...




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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
creator, dies
 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500
 From : "Justin Mohareb" 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US
goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
told it's for the best.

Justin

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,  wrote:
> I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on
the
> Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak
scifi
> where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going
while
> better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That
pulled
> me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate
for
> a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
>


-- 
Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds


  

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Dax, I have to disagree about Shark-of-Nine being better than Kes. Both 
characters had potential to be strong female role models, but the Killer Bees 
underused Kes and made Shark-of-Nine Eye Candy First Class. The show lost me 
because of her final introduction. They could've put her in a neo-Starfleet uni 
and left some of her implants intact, to demonstrate that she was symbolically 
beginning the journey from dronedom to humanity. Instead, they do a lingering 
shot of her in a catsuit and three-inch heels. That told me that they weren't 
after my brain, but the head I keep in my boxers. I stopped watching the show 
that night, picked it up only at the final episode (that *only* because I'd had 
an Internet rumor that Paramount was planning to shift their big-screen 
franchise from TNG to V_r).





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44:55 -0500

 From : "Dax" 

 To : 


I always thought that they focused too much on Seven. However you have to 
admit she was better then Kess. Which to me caused many of the stores to 
drag. Another good episode was "The Year of Hell." It was the only one that 
made the point very clear that they were really alone, no Starfleet, no help 
at all. The only one that would or you could say that Janeway was Rambo to 
the bitter end.

As far as Captain Janeway knowing about the crewmen that were just getting 
by--I don't recall any shows in Star Trek that had the captain spending time 
with crewmen that were not part of the Senior Staff. I have always thought 
it was up to the First Officer or the respective department heads that then 
would tell the First Officer. Which then like Barkley would just simply been 
traded out or go to Troi for a quick fix. Well if you want you can count 
Kirk who was with a different female every week.

My only regret or the only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Borg 
was not really a threat to them as it was to the TNG series. In the TNG 
series you mention the Borg and you have the whole Alpha Quadrant up in arms 
trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you compare the two ships Voyager 
does not have any special weapons. Even though it is stated as being a 
powerful ship in the fleet. Lets not forget the folding nacelle. Also to 
make matters worse, they did not have a full complement of photon torpedoes. 
However somehow with the help of Seven, they always managed to outwit the 
Queen. Either she is getting too old or really don't want them as bad as she 
always claim she does.
--Lavender
If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.

--
From: 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:32 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
dies

> Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces 
> behind the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, 
> Melinda Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, 
> Majel Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because 
> I know it does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in 
> the same category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the 
> books and fan fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the 
> movies--with the exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too 
> Saturday morning for me to discuss much in the same breath with Trek.
>
> As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated 
> at Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about 
> "Someone is planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage 
> of her empathic powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than 
> the common sense and ability to read others we humans possess. It became a 
> joke that even my casual fan wife was in on. As for that show where Troi 
> was an undercover Romulan, Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the 
> later ep when the Enterprise and a Romulan ship were locked together in a 
> temporal bubble? While exploring the cause of the problem, Troi's 
> character tells Picard about how Romulan ships use a micro singularity as 
> the power source for their engines. Sirtis was thrilled to get that line, 
> because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans from that 
> undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some 
> intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helping--cr
> ew members as Ship's Counselor.
>
> Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no 
> better an actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got 
> short s

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

LMNAO

Reminds me of DS9, the ep in which Quark analogizes the Federation to a mug of 
root beer, being this tall, cold glass of dark stuff with a white, fuzzy top 
that sprays bubbles up your nose when you move to drink it. At the first sip, 
you realize how cloyingly, sickeningly sweet it is, and you put it down 
immediately afterward, frowning, saying, "That the worst-tasting stuff I've 
ever had! I'm never trying that again!" 

And, a minute or so later, you find yourself sipping at it again, with the same 
result. You realize that those it is cloying and sickeningly sweet, you just 
can't get enough of it...





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:34:23 -0500

 From : "Justin Mohareb" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek". The US
goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
told it's for the best.

Justin

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,  wrote:
> I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while
> better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled
> me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for
> a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
>


-- 
Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Justin Mohareb]

I knew a guy who described Stargate as "Red State Star Trek".  The US
goes into various planets and overthrows the local governing bodies,
and leaves, and we never see what happens in their wake, but we're
told it's for the best.

Justin

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:58 PM,   wrote:
> I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the
> Air?" , so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi
> where all the planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped
> around the galaxy wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like
> the Prime Directive to guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while
> better scifi and spec fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me
> watching SG-1 was the introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the
> Farscape vets, and the final resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled
> me in, and the interplay among the new members of the team kept me
> watching--that, and the demise of so many scifi shows made me desperate for
> a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of seasons are worth watching,
> but honestly most of what came before is not must-see TV.
>


-- 
Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

I used to periodically drop a post titled "How does Stargate Stay on the Air?" 
, so I get your feelings. For years I thought SG-1 was weak scifi where all the 
planets and villages looked alike, and the SG-1 team stomped around the galaxy 
wrecking havoc with nothing approaching a framework like the Prime Directive to 
guide them. I used to lament how it keep going while better scifi and spec 
fiction shows were canceled. I think what got me watching SG-1 was the 
introduction of Ben Browder and Claudia Black, the Farscape vets, and the final 
resolution of the G'ould storyline. That pulled me in, and the interplay among 
the new members of the team kept me watching--that, and the demise of so many 
scifi shows made me desperate for a fix on Friday nights! :) The last couple of 
seasons are worth watching, but honestly most of what came before is not 
must-see TV.

As for B5, absolutely agree with you. I put it in my triumvirate of iconic TV 
scifi, which includes  Trek and Farscape. I like Star Wars, but either my age 
or my love for more serious, topic-focused scifi keep me from being a rabid fan 
of the franchise.


 -- Original message --
From: "Adrianne Brennan" 
> Couldn't answer for the stats, but I was raised on both Star Trek and Star
> Wars. My dad and I are also both fans of Babylon 5, Doctor Who, Stargate
> SG1, et cetera.
> I haven't been able to watch Stargate in a LONG time and have yet to truly
> get into Farscape, but I think that Babylon 5 is one of the best scifi shows
> ever made.
> 
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Meta  wrote:
> 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
> > >
> > > That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
> > among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other
> > scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
> >
> > Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not
> > been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose.
> > Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in
> > danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping
> > the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand
> > in starting the original fan cons.
> >


--- Begin Message ---













Couldn't answer for the stats, but I was raised on both Star Trek and Star Wars. My dad and I are also both fans of Babylon 5, Doctor Who, Stargate SG1, et cetera.I haven't been able to watch Stargate in a LONG time and have yet to truly get into Farscape, but I think that Babylon 5 is one of the best scifi shows ever made.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~http://www.adriannebrennan.comExperience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.htmlDare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html

On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Meta  wrote:
--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@... wrote:
>
> That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other
scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?

Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not
been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose.
Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in
danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping
the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand
in starting the original fan cons.

  


	
	
	

--- End Message ---

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Adrianne Brennan]

Couldn't answer for the stats, but I was raised on both Star Trek and Star
Wars. My dad and I are also both fans of Babylon 5, Doctor Who, Stargate
SG1, et cetera.
I haven't been able to watch Stargate in a LONG time and have yet to truly
get into Farscape, but I think that Babylon 5 is one of the best scifi shows
ever made.

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Meta  wrote:

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
> >
> > That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
> among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other
> scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
>
> Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not
> been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose.
> Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in
> danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping
> the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand
> in starting the original fan cons.
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Actually, I liked Kess. I thought her powers and maturity were intriguing. I 
hated the way her character was written out, then back in for one lame 
appearance in yet another overused time-travel segment.  I can't say that I 
liked Seven better. What I liked was a *balance* of women ,and Seven tipped the 
balance like crazy.

As for Janeway not knowing her crew, on a regular ship, perhaps that'd be the 
norm. But remember, this is a crew that was together in another part of the 
galaxy for *seven* years. A crew that had to fight and die together, a crew 
that was always worried, even despairing at times. A crew whose resolve and 
commitment to remaining true to their Federation code was held together mostly 
by Janeway's strength of will. I find it stretching credulity to believe that 
this unique situation would allow Janeway to go seven years and not know every 
crew member very well. Even with Chakotay doing his duties as XO, the dynamics 
almost demanded that take place.   I know if I were a ship's captain stranded 
in space, facing what I thought was a seventy year journey back home, I'd make 
it a point to know each and every person in my command. And I think janeway 
would too. 


 -- Original message --
From: "Dax" 
> I always thought that they focused too much on Seven. However you have to 
> admit she was better then Kess. Which to me caused many of the stores to 
> drag. Another good episode was "The Year of Hell." It was the only one that 
> made the point very clear that they were really alone, no Starfleet, no help 
> at all. The only one that would or you could say that Janeway was Rambo to 
> the bitter end.
> 
> As far as Captain Janeway knowing about the crewmen that were just getting 
> by--I don't recall any shows in Star Trek that had the captain spending time 
> with crewmen that were not part of the Senior Staff. I have always thought 
> it was up to the First Officer or the respective department heads that then 
> would tell the First Officer. Which then like Barkley would just simply been 
> traded out or go to Troi for a quick fix. Well if you want you can count 
> Kirk who was with a different female every week.
> 
> My only regret or the only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Borg 
> was not really a threat to them as it was to the TNG series. In the TNG 
> series you mention the Borg and you have the whole Alpha Quadrant up in arms 
> trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you compare the two ships Voyager 
> does not have any special weapons. Even though it is stated as being a 
> powerful ship in the fleet. Lets not forget the  folding nacelle. Also to 
> make matters worse, they did not have a full complement of photon torpedoes. 
> However somehow with the help of Seven, they always managed to outwit the 
> Queen. Either she is getting too old or really don't want them as bad as she 
> always claim she does.
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> ------------------
> From: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:32 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
> > Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces 
> > behind the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, 
> > Melinda Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, 
> > Majel Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because 
> > I know it does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in 
> > the same category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the 
> > books and fan fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the 
> > movies--with the exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too 
> > Saturday morning for me to discuss much in the same breath with Trek.
> >
> > As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated 
> > at Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about 
> > "Someone is planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage 
> > of her empathic powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than 
> > the common sense and ability to read others we humans possess. It became a 
> > joke that even my casual fan wife was in on.  As for that show where Troi 
> > was an undercover Romulan, Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the 
> > later ep when the Enterprise and a Romulan ship were locked together in a 
> > temporal bubble? While exploring the cause of the problem, Troi's 
> > character tells Picard about how Romul

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Do indeed watch the whole B5 series! It really heats up in season 3 as the 
Shadow War goes full tilt, the Psi Corp's machinations grow, and Sheridan 
starts bucking Earth Force. Not to mention the journeys of Lando and G'Kar. I 
envy you the voyage of discovery you have ahead of you!

 -- Original message --
From: Augustus Augustus 
>  Martin, 
> 
> i do remember that speech from Ivanova.  I loved her b4 then, but that speech 
> did sum up her strength.  As 4 Leap, it was something that i watched every 
> now 
> and again.  never really got n2 it.  basically because i was young, active 
> duty, 
> and too busy chasing women (sorry ladies, but it's something we do when we 
> are 
> in our 20's and traveling all around the world).  but when they released B5 
> on 
> DVD, i had 2 ad it 2 my collection.  i have the first 2 seasons now and 
> working 
> on getting number 3.  
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 12:47 PM
> 
> Ivanova was speaking to the commander of an Earth Alliance task force of
> specially-made ships using Shadow tech as it was on its way to retake B5.
> Can't remember the name of the ep. And I heard brief rumors that Scott
> Bakula had been approached to do a TV movie to try to sum up the series. I
> remember, in the last ep of the show, that Sam's mission had been to reunite
> Al and Beth, the ex-wife Al lost when he was a POW in 'Nam. During that ep,
> Sam's brother, whose life he'd saved during an earlier leap, and the
> daughter he sired during one really freaky three-part ep (Sam started out as 
> one
> person trying to save a woman's life, then leapt into another several ears
> later, a lawyer defending the same woman on murder charges. During the second
> leap, Sam briefly became *himself*, just long enought o do the Dirty Deed with
> the woman, then went back to being the lawyer) both came onto the project, his
> brother replacing Al as military liason and the daughter as senior scientist,
> both!
>   vowing to bring him home. Made that ending all the harder to take for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>  Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator, dies
>  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:29:06 +
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Didn't know that about Quantum Leap. That would have gotten to me too. So
> Sam continued to bounce around time forever? That calls for a TV movie to 
> finish
> that plot out, in my opinion.
> Refresh my memory: to whom was Ivanova speaking? I should remember. 
> 
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said,
> "Dr Sam Beckett 
> > never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's
> legendary speech in B5.
> > 
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov.
> I am the 
> > right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$
> all 
> > the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you
> are 
> > ever going to see. God sent me."
> > 
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > 
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
> creator, dies
> > 
> > Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> > 
> > From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> > 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> > And the other two times?
> > 
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of
> science fiction.
> > > 
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > 
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of
> 'Trek' creator, dies
> > > 
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > > 
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > > 
> > > To : 
> > >

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

wow.
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> Ivanova was speaking to the commander of an Earth Alliance task force of 
> specially-made ships using Shadow tech as it was on its way to retake B5. 
> Can't 
> remember the name of the ep. And I heard brief rumors that Scott Bakula had 
> been 
> approached to do a TV movie to try to sum up the series. I remember, in the 
> last 
> ep of the show, that Sam's mission had been to reunite Al and Beth, the 
> ex-wife 
> Al lost when he was a POW in 'Nam. During that ep, Sam's brother, whose life 
> he'd saved during an earlier leap, and the daughter he sired during one 
> really 
> freaky three-part ep (Sam started out as one person trying to save a woman's 
> life, then leapt into another several ears later, a lawyer defending the same 
> woman on murder charges. During the second leap, Sam briefly became 
> *himself*, 
> just long enought o do the Dirty Deed with the woman, then went back to being 
> the lawyer) both came onto the project, his brother replacing Al as military 
> liason and the daughter as senior scientist, both!
>   vowing to bring him home. Made that ending all the harder to take for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:29:06 +
> 
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Didn't know that about Quantum Leap. That would have gotten to me too. So Sam 
> continued to bounce around time forever? That calls for a TV movie to finish 
> that plot out, in my opinion.
> Refresh my memory: to whom was Ivanova speaking? I should remember. 
> 
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam 
> Beckett 
> > never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary speech 
> > in 
> B5.
> > 
> > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am 
> > the 
> > right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$ 
> > all 
> > the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you 
> > are 
> > ever going to see. God sent me."
> > 
> > As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > 
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > 
> > Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> > 
> > From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> > 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> > And the other two times?
> > 
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science 
> > > fiction.
> > > 
> > > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > 
> > > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> > > 
> > > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > > 
> > > From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > > 
> > > To : 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it 
> > > to 
> > > hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. 
> Sigh…
> > > .. I know. Sex sells 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf 
> > > Of Martin Baxter
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Dax]

I always thought that they focused too much on Seven. However you have to 
admit she was better then Kess. Which to me caused many of the stores to 
drag. Another good episode was "The Year of Hell." It was the only one that 
made the point very clear that they were really alone, no Starfleet, no help 
at all. The only one that would or you could say that Janeway was Rambo to 
the bitter end.

As far as Captain Janeway knowing about the crewmen that were just getting 
by--I don't recall any shows in Star Trek that had the captain spending time 
with crewmen that were not part of the Senior Staff. I have always thought 
it was up to the First Officer or the respective department heads that then 
would tell the First Officer. Which then like Barkley would just simply been 
traded out or go to Troi for a quick fix. Well if you want you can count 
Kirk who was with a different female every week.

My only regret or the only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Borg 
was not really a threat to them as it was to the TNG series. In the TNG 
series you mention the Borg and you have the whole Alpha Quadrant up in arms 
trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you compare the two ships Voyager 
does not have any special weapons. Even though it is stated as being a 
powerful ship in the fleet. Lets not forget the  folding nacelle. Also to 
make matters worse, they did not have a full complement of photon torpedoes. 
However somehow with the help of Seven, they always managed to outwit the 
Queen. Either she is getting too old or really don't want them as bad as she 
always claim she does.
--Lavender
If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.

--
From: 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:32 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
dies

> Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces 
> behind the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, 
> Melinda Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, 
> Majel Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because 
> I know it does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in 
> the same category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the 
> books and fan fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the 
> movies--with the exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too 
> Saturday morning for me to discuss much in the same breath with Trek.
>
> As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated 
> at Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about 
> "Someone is planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage 
> of her empathic powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than 
> the common sense and ability to read others we humans possess. It became a 
> joke that even my casual fan wife was in on.  As for that show where Troi 
> was an undercover Romulan, Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the 
> later ep when the Enterprise and a Romulan ship were locked together in a 
> temporal bubble? While exploring the cause of the problem, Troi's 
> character tells Picard about how Romulan ships use a micro singularity as 
> the power source for their engines. Sirtis was thrilled to get that line, 
> because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans from that 
> undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some 
> intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helping--cr
> ew members as Ship's Counselor.
>
> Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no 
> better an actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got 
> short shrift, such as Garrett Wang (Kim), Tim Russ (Tuvok), and Robert 
> Beltran (Chakotay). All suffered in the ridiculous focus on Seven. And 
> while I'm a straight guy who doesn't mind seeing the female form, i hate 
> being manipulated, and the Seven catsuits and high heels were just too 
> ridiculous for me to feel anything but manipulated. The sexiest women in 
> recent Trek all had on more clothing and got my attention way more: Dax, 
> Kira, Cassidy Yates.
>
> Having watched Voyager reruns for a while now, I'm amazed at how overt 
> this was. There are at least two shows I can think of, for example, where 
> the crew had to fight to survive. I believe both dealt with that race of 
> hunters, the Hirogin (sp?) In both cases, Tuvok--a century-old Vulcan who 
> is supposed to be a superbly skilled martial artist--was injured, punked, 
> and sat on the sidelines while Seven saved the day. She frankly got on my 
> nerves, and the dynamic between her and Janeway became bori

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Augustus Augustus]

 Martin, 

i do remember that speech from Ivanova.  I loved her b4 then, but that speech 
did sum up her strength.  As 4 Leap, it was something that i watched every now 
and again.  never really got n2 it.  basically because i was young, active 
duty, and too busy chasing women (sorry ladies, but it's something we do when 
we are in our 20's and traveling all around the world).  but when they released 
B5 on DVD, i had 2 ad it 2 my collection.  i have the first 2 seasons now and 
working on getting number 3.  

--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 12:47 PM

Ivanova was speaking to the commander of an Earth Alliance task force of
specially-made ships using Shadow tech as it was on its way to retake B5.
Can't remember the name of the ep. And I heard brief rumors that Scott
Bakula had been approached to do a TV movie to try to sum up the series. I
remember, in the last ep of the show, that Sam's mission had been to reunite
Al and Beth, the ex-wife Al lost when he was a POW in 'Nam. During that ep,
Sam's brother, whose life he'd saved during an earlier leap, and the
daughter he sired during one really freaky three-part ep (Sam started out as one
person trying to save a woman's life, then leapt into another several ears
later, a lawyer defending the same woman on murder charges. During the second
leap, Sam briefly became *himself*, just long enought o do the Dirty Deed with
the woman, then went back to being the lawyer) both came onto the project, his
brother replacing Al as military liason and the daughter as senior scientist,
both!
  vowing to bring him home. Made that ending all the harder to take for me.




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 Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
creator, dies
 Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:29:06 +
 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Didn't know that about Quantum Leap. That would have gotten to me too. So
Sam continued to bounce around time forever? That calls for a TV movie to finish
that plot out, in my opinion.
Refresh my memory: to whom was Ivanova speaking? I should remember. 


 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said,
"Dr Sam Beckett 
> never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's
legendary speech in B5.
> 
> "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov.
I am the 
> right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$
all 
> the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you
are 
> ever going to see. God sent me."
> 
> As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
> Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek'
creator, dies
> 
> Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> 
> From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> And the other two times?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of
science fiction.
> > 
> > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > 
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of
'Trek' creator, dies
> > 
> > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > 
> > From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > 
> > To : 
> > 
> > 
> > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but
blew it to 
> > hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the
show. Sigh…
> > .. I know. Sex sells 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf 
> > Of Martin Baxter
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of
'Trek' creator, dies
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of
'Trek' creator, dies
> > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > From : "Meta" 
> 

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Ivanova was speaking to the commander of an Earth Alliance task force of 
specially-made ships using Shadow tech as it was on its way to retake B5. Can't 
remember the name of the ep. And I heard brief rumors that Scott Bakula had 
been approached to do a TV movie to try to sum up the series. I remember, in 
the last ep of the show, that Sam's mission had been to reunite Al and Beth, 
the ex-wife Al lost when he was a POW in 'Nam. During that ep, Sam's brother, 
whose life he'd saved during an earlier leap, and the daughter he sired during 
one really freaky three-part ep (Sam started out as one person trying to save a 
woman's life, then leapt into another several ears later, a lawyer defending 
the same woman on murder charges. During the second leap, Sam briefly became 
*himself*, just long enought o do the Dirty Deed with the woman, then went back 
to being the lawyer) both came onto the project, his brother replacing Al as 
military liason and the daughter as senior scientist, both!
  vowing to bring him home. Made that ending all the harder to take for me.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:29:06 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Didn't know that about Quantum Leap. That would have gotten to me too. So Sam 
continued to bounce around time forever? That calls for a TV movie to finish 
that plot out, in my opinion.
Refresh my memory: to whom was Ivanova speaking? I should remember. 


 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam 
> Beckett 
> never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary speech in 
> B5.
> 
> "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the 
> right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$ 
> all 
> the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you 
> are 
> ever going to see. God sent me."
> 
> As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
> Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> 
> From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> And the other two times?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction.
> > 
> > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > 
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > 
> > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > 
> > From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > 
> > To : 
> > 
> > 
> > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it 
> > to 
> > hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. Sigh…
> > .. I know. Sex sells 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf 
> > Of Martin Baxter
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > From : "Meta" 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
> > Next Gen 
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
> > Too bad 
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> > > unexplored potential 
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
> > female following they have. 
> > 
> > Meta 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

More than welcome, and prithee, write away! I'll pick up some anti-seizure 
medication beforehand.

Those two eps you mentioned, in which Shark did all of the fighting, had me 
scratching my head. Same with Paris being back-up medic. And don't get me 
started on the notion of Janeway, Chakotay et al being on away missions. As 
I've said before, "That's why Deity made ensigns and lieutenants (jg)."





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:43:17 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Thanks. 

I've been meaning to write a piece on the dreaded "V-word" series, both the 
things I like about it and Janeway--are there are many, as Tracey's pointed 
out--and the things that kept the show's quality down, as you say. Seven's a 
big part of that simply because of her overuse. Like I said, watching *two* eps 
where Seven fought in single combat while Tuvok sat on the sidelines? 
Unbelievable.

And Seven aside, I never did understand how they could have such a small crew 
and yet we rarely see anyone past the core group. One of the things the 
original Trek series did well was to give us guest crew members. Sure, some of 
them were the doomed red-shirts, but there were many, many memorable 
appearances: Helen Noel (the doctor in Dagger of the Mind), Caroline (Apollo's 
temp love interest), the Brother who argued with Spock on that planet of 
cavemen, etc. The OS is lousy with archaelogists, geologists, 
meteorologists--specialists from all over the ship who gave us variety and 
expanded our knowledge of the crew.

I expected Voyager's nature of being insulated from Earth to give us more 
opportunity for that exploration of the crew, but alas, they stuck with the 
small core group. I've lost count of how many times I've laughed at a dire 
situation such as a commando raid, because it's Harry, Tom, Tuvok, Janeway 
herself, and even freakin' Neelix running around with guns! What the hell do 
the other 150 crew members do if the same folk run the ship, do first contacts, 
and go on all the away missions? A really silly example was Tom Paris being the 
Doctor's assistant and backup doctor in times of emergency. This guy is the 
number one pilot of the ship, and in emergency situations, he'd be most useful 
doing that. Yet he then has to run to Sickbay to work on the wounded? Why 
couldn't some of those unseen, unused, and evidently unfulfilled crew be 
brought into the medical training? A show like this, with a ship lost, is the 
perfect scenario to explore human relations more fully, but B&B elec!
 ted to all
 but ignore the fact there were other crew members, and then the addition of 
Seven just killed the whole thing.


 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> As always, Keith, well-spoken and thought-out. And I forgive you for your 
> numerous references to the V-Word Series and Shark-of-Nine... ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:32:29 +
> 
> From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces behind 
> the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, Melinda 
> Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, Majel 
> Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because I know 
> it 
> does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in the same 
> category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the books and 
> fan 
> fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the movies--with the 
> exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too Saturday morning for me 
> to 
> discuss much in the same breath with Trek.
> 
> As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated at 
> Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about "Someone is 
> planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage of her 
> empathic 
> powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than the common sense and 
> ability to read others we humans possess. It became a joke that even my 
> casual 
> fan wife was in on. As for that show where Troi was an undercover Romulan, 
> Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the later ep when the Enterprise 
> and 
> a Romulan ship were locked together in a temporal bubble? While exploring the 
> cause of the problem, Troi&

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Thanks. 

I've been meaning to write a piece on the dreaded "V-word" series, both the 
things I like about it and Janeway--are there are many, as Tracey's pointed 
out--and the things that kept the show's quality down, as you say. Seven's a 
big part of that simply because of her overuse. Like I said, watching *two* eps 
where Seven fought in single combat while Tuvok sat on the sidelines? 
Unbelievable.

And Seven aside, I never did understand how they could have such a small crew 
and yet we rarely see anyone past the core group. One of the things the 
original Trek series did well was to give us guest crew members. Sure, some of 
them were the doomed red-shirts, but there were many, many memorable 
appearances: Helen Noel (the doctor in Dagger of the Mind), Caroline (Apollo's 
temp love interest), the Brother who argued with Spock on that planet of 
cavemen, etc. The OS is lousy with archaelogists, geologists, 
meteorologists--specialists from all over the ship who gave us variety and 
expanded our knowledge of the crew.

I expected Voyager's nature of being insulated from Earth to give us more 
opportunity for that exploration of the crew, but alas, they stuck with the 
small core group. I've lost count of how many times I've laughed at a dire 
situation such as a commando raid, because it's Harry, Tom, Tuvok, Janeway 
herself, and even freakin' Neelix running around with guns! What the hell do 
the other 150 crew members do if the same folk run the ship, do first contacts, 
and go on all the away missions?  A really silly example was Tom Paris being 
the Doctor's assistant and backup doctor in times of emergency. This guy is the 
number one pilot of the ship, and in emergency situations, he'd be most useful 
doing that. Yet he then has to run to Sickbay to work on the wounded? Why 
couldn't some of those unseen, unused, and evidently unfulfilled crew be 
brought into the medical training? A show like this, with a ship lost, is the 
perfect scenario to explore human relations more fully, but B&B elected to all
 but ignore the fact there were other crew members, and then the addition of 
Seven just killed the whole thing.


 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> As always, Keith, well-spoken and thought-out. And I forgive you for your 
> numerous references to the V-Word Series and Shark-of-Nine... ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:32:29 +
> 
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces behind 
> the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, Melinda 
> Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, Majel 
> Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because I know 
> it 
> does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in the same 
> category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the books and 
> fan 
> fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the movies--with the 
> exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too Saturday morning for me 
> to 
> discuss much in the same breath with Trek.
> 
> As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated at 
> Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about "Someone is 
> planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage of her 
> empathic 
> powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than the common sense and 
> ability to read others we humans possess. It became a joke that even my 
> casual 
> fan wife was in on. As for that show where Troi was an undercover Romulan, 
> Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the later ep when the Enterprise 
> and 
> a Romulan ship were locked together in a temporal bubble? While exploring the 
> cause of the problem, Troi's character tells Picard about how Romulan ships 
> use 
> a micro singularity as the power source for their engines. Sirtis was 
> thrilled 
> to get that line, because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans 
> from 
> that undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some 
> intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helpi!
>  ng--cr
> ew members as Ship's Counselor. 
> 
> Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no better 
> an 
> actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got short shrift, 
> such 
> as Garrett Wang (Kim), Tim Russ (

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

:) 
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> As always, Keith, well-spoken and thought-out. And I forgive you for your 
> numerous references to the V-Word Series and Shark-of-Nine... ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:32:29 +
> 
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces behind 
> the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, Melinda 
> Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, Majel 
> Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because I know 
> it 
> does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in the same 
> category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the books and 
> fan 
> fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the movies--with the 
> exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too Saturday morning for me 
> to 
> discuss much in the same breath with Trek.
> 
> As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated at 
> Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about "Someone is 
> planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage of her 
> empathic 
> powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than the common sense and 
> ability to read others we humans possess. It became a joke that even my 
> casual 
> fan wife was in on. As for that show where Troi was an undercover Romulan, 
> Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the later ep when the Enterprise 
> and 
> a Romulan ship were locked together in a temporal bubble? While exploring the 
> cause of the problem, Troi's character tells Picard about how Romulan ships 
> use 
> a micro singularity as the power source for their engines. Sirtis was 
> thrilled 
> to get that line, because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans 
> from 
> that undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some 
> intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helpi!
>  ng--cr
> ew members as Ship's Counselor. 
> 
> Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no better 
> an 
> actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got short shrift, 
> such 
> as Garrett Wang (Kim), Tim Russ (Tuvok), and Robert Beltran (Chakotay). All 
> suffered in the ridiculous focus on Seven. And while I'm a straight guy who 
> doesn't mind seeing the female form, i hate being manipulated, and the Seven 
> catsuits and high heels were just too ridiculous for me to feel anything but 
> manipulated. The sexiest women in recent Trek all had on more clothing and 
> got 
> my attention way more: Dax, Kira, Cassidy Yates. 
> 
> Having watched Voyager reruns for a while now, I'm amazed at how overt this 
> was. 
> There are at least two shows I can think of, for example, where the crew had 
> to 
> fight to survive. I believe both dealt with that race of hunters, the Hirogin 
> (sp?) In both cases, Tuvok--a century-old Vulcan who is supposed to be a 
> superbly skilled martial artist--was injured, punked, and sat on the 
> sidelines 
> while Seven saved the day. She frankly got on my nerves, and the dynamic 
> between 
> her and Janeway became boring. One of the the most puzzling shows of Voyager 
> is 
> an ep where Janeway takes a personal interest in several crew members who 
> simply 
> aren't fitting in on the ship. They all just do what's needed to get by, but 
> after six or seven years, they're just little known misfits. The show was 
> shocking to me because after that long on a small ship with a crew of around 
> 150, how the hell can the Captain not know everyone intimately? How the hell 
> can 
> all those missions and duties only go to that s!
>  mall co
> re of people Janeway seems to have hung out with? I thought the writing and 
> the 
> premise was awful, and then seeing how much time was wasted on Janeway 
> developing Seven, it made me even more irritated that she's somehow avoided 
> her 
> duty to take an interest in people who'd been on Voyager since day one.
> 
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Meta" 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
> > >
> > > That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
> > among Trek? 

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Didn't know that about Quantum Leap. That would have gotten to me too. So Sam 
continued to bounce around time forever? That calls for a TV movie to finish 
that plot out, in my opinion.
Refresh my memory: to whom was Ivanova speaking? I should remember. 


 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam 
> Beckett 
> never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary speech in 
> B5.
> 
> "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the 
> right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$ 
> all 
> the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you 
> are 
> ever going to see. God sent me."
> 
> As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +
> 
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> And the other two times?
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction.
> > 
> > Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > 
> > Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > 
> > Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> > 
> > From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > 
> > To : 
> > 
> > 
> > Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it 
> > to 
> > hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. 
> > Sigh…
> > .. I know. Sex sells 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf 
> > Of Martin Baxter
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> > dies
> > Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> > From : "Meta" 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
> > Next Gen 
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
> > Too bad 
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> > > unexplored potential 
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
> > female following they have. 
> > 
> > Meta 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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   The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam Beckett never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary speech in B5."Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$ all the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you are ever going to see. God sent me."As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

Well, there *is* that nagging old-age thing... ;-)





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 Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:22:39 -0800 (PST)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


how indeedy?

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 3:14 PM

How could I forget Susan Ivanova?




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 From : "Meta" 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus
 wrote:
>
> Keith, 
> 
> u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the
trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she
was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was
too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5,
Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and
tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as
Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black
(so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.
> 
> Dr. Fate
I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic.
The show was just the best, period.

Meta





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

As always, Keith, well-spoken and thought-out. And I forgive you for your 
numerous references to the V-Word Series and Shark-of-Nine... ;-)





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:32:29 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces behind 
the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, Melinda 
Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, Majel 
Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because I know it 
does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in the same 
category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the books and fan 
fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the movies--with the 
exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too Saturday morning for me to 
discuss much in the same breath with Trek.

As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated at 
Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about "Someone is 
planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage of her empathic 
powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than the common sense and 
ability to read others we humans possess. It became a joke that even my casual 
fan wife was in on. As for that show where Troi was an undercover Romulan, 
Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the later ep when the Enterprise and 
a Romulan ship were locked together in a temporal bubble? While exploring the 
cause of the problem, Troi's character tells Picard about how Romulan ships use 
a micro singularity as the power source for their engines. Sirtis was thrilled 
to get that line, because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans from 
that undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some 
intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helpi!
 ng--cr
ew members as Ship's Counselor. 

Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no better an 
actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got short shrift, such 
as Garrett Wang (Kim), Tim Russ (Tuvok), and Robert Beltran (Chakotay). All 
suffered in the ridiculous focus on Seven. And while I'm a straight guy who 
doesn't mind seeing the female form, i hate being manipulated, and the Seven 
catsuits and high heels were just too ridiculous for me to feel anything but 
manipulated. The sexiest women in recent Trek all had on more clothing and got 
my attention way more: Dax, Kira, Cassidy Yates. 

Having watched Voyager reruns for a while now, I'm amazed at how overt this 
was. There are at least two shows I can think of, for example, where the crew 
had to fight to survive. I believe both dealt with that race of hunters, the 
Hirogin (sp?) In both cases, Tuvok--a century-old Vulcan who is supposed to be 
a superbly skilled martial artist--was injured, punked, and sat on the 
sidelines while Seven saved the day. She frankly got on my nerves, and the 
dynamic between her and Janeway became boring. One of the the most puzzling 
shows of Voyager is an ep where Janeway takes a personal interest in several 
crew members who simply aren't fitting in on the ship. They all just do what's 
needed to get by, but after six or seven years, they're just little known 
misfits. The show was shocking to me because after that long on a small ship 
with a crew of around 150, how the hell can the Captain not know everyone 
intimately? How the hell can all those missions and duties only go to that s!
 mall co
re of people Janeway seems to have hung out with? I thought the writing and the 
premise was awful, and then seeing how much time was wasted on Janeway 
developing Seven, it made me even more irritated that she's somehow avoided her 
duty to take an interest in people who'd been on Voyager since day one.


 -- Original message --
From: "Meta" 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
> >
> > That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
> among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other
> scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
> 
> Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not
> been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose.
> Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in
> danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping
> the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand
> in starting the original fan cons.
> > 
> > I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the
>

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

The last ep of "Quantum Leap", when the final screen shot said, "Dr Sam Beckett 
never made it home." and, in a good way, Susan Ivanova's legendary speech in B5.

"Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the 
right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry a$$ all 
the way back to Earth. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you are 
ever going to see. God sent me."

As I whispered "Damn", I fell in love with that woman...





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 Date : Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:10:20 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


And the other two times?

 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction.
> 
> Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
> Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> 
> From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
> To : 
> 
> 
> Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
> hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. Sigh…
> .. I know. Sex sells 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Martin Baxter
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> 
> 
> 
> IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> From : "Meta" 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
> Next Gen 
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
> Too bad 
> > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> > unexplored potential 
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

In Leeta's case, I'll say yes. I never thought of Shark-of-Nine that way. In 
fact, I thought very little of her...





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 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I thought of her, but wondered if, like Seven, she'd be thrown in the 
"ultra-fem" category because of her appearance, job, and initial 
characterization.
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, 
> being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]------
> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:19:15 +
> 
> From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? 
> And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like 
> Babylon 
> 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
> 
> I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
> character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
> originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that 
> we 
> saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
> more 
> her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of 
> mine, 
> but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra 
> butch" 
> category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?
> 
> What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly 
> well-rounded 
> to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
> needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
> tough 
> as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man.
> -- Original message --
> From: "Meta" 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > Next Gen
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> > Too bad
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > > unexplored potential
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> > female following they have. 
> > 
> > Meta
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Things really hit rock bottom in the film "Star Trek: Insurrection", when Troi 
asked Crusher if her boobs were getting firmer.  I liked the possible future 
timeline when Crusher was shown to be a ship's captain in her own right.

 -- Original message --
From: "Dax" 
> For me I thought that Dr. Crusher would become a stronger character when she 
> was 
> in command of the Enterprise. However that fell through. Then it became to me 
> that in every movie her role became less and less. Meaning what was the point 
> in 
> having her in the movies at all. But I have to agree with Mr. Baxter, Jadzia 
> was 
> the best female character out of the whole series.
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> 
> From: Tracey de Morsella 
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:45 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> 
> Me too.  I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
> hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show.  
> Sigh…
> .. I know.  Sex sells 
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Martin Baxter
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
>  
> 
>   IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>   Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' 
> creator, 
> dies
>   Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
>   From : "Meta" 
>   To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
>   wrote: 
>   > 
>   > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
>   Next Gen 
>   > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
>   Too bad 
>   > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
>   > unexplored potential 
>   Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
>   the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
>   their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
>   women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
>   glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
>   female following they have. 
> 
>   Meta 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 


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For me I thought that Dr. 
Crusher would become a stronger character when she was in command of the 
Enterprise. However that fell through. Then it became to me that in every movie 
her role became less and less. Meaning what was the point in having her in the 
movies at all. But I have to agree with Mr. Baxter, Jadzia was the best female 
character out of the whole series.
--Lavender
If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.



From: Tracey de Morsella 
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:45 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' 
creator, dies


Me 
too.  I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show.  
Sigh….. I know.  Sex sells 
 


From: scifino...@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
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  IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the 
  ballpark.
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  2009 17:47:33 -From : "Meta" 
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  scifino...@yahoogroups.com--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > I liked her when she did 
  a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen > with the 
  guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad 
  > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
  > unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored 
  potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be 
  paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the 
  imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or 
  ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always 
  forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta 
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
 

  


	
	
	

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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces behind 
the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, Melinda 
Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, Majel 
Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because I know it 
does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in the same 
category of "serious" scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the books and fan 
fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the movies--with the 
exception of "The Empire Strikes Back"--are just too Saturday morning for me to 
discuss much in the same breath with Trek.

As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated at 
Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about "Someone is 
planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what" usage of her empathic 
powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than the common sense and 
ability to read others we humans possess. It became a joke that even my casual 
fan wife was in on.  As for that show where Troi was an undercover Romulan, 
Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the later ep when the Enterprise and 
a Romulan ship were locked together in a temporal bubble? While exploring the 
cause of the problem, Troi's character tells Picard about how Romulan ships use 
a micro singularity as the power source for their engines. Sirtis was thrilled 
to get that line, because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans from 
that undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some 
intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helping--cr
ew members as Ship's Counselor. 

Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no better an 
actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got short shrift, such 
as Garrett Wang (Kim), Tim Russ (Tuvok), and Robert Beltran (Chakotay). All 
suffered in the ridiculous focus on Seven. And while I'm a straight guy who 
doesn't mind seeing the female form, i hate being manipulated, and the Seven 
catsuits and high heels were just too ridiculous for me to feel anything but 
manipulated. The sexiest women in recent Trek all had on more clothing and got 
my attention way more: Dax, Kira, Cassidy Yates.  

Having watched Voyager reruns for a while now, I'm amazed at how overt this 
was. There are at least two shows I can think of, for example, where the crew 
had to fight to survive. I believe both dealt with that race of hunters, the 
Hirogin (sp?) In both cases, Tuvok--a century-old Vulcan who is supposed to be 
a superbly skilled martial artist--was injured, punked, and sat on the 
sidelines while Seven saved the day. She frankly got on my nerves, and the 
dynamic between her and Janeway became boring. One of the the most puzzling 
shows of Voyager is an ep where Janeway takes a personal interest in several 
crew members who simply aren't fitting in on the ship. They all just do what's 
needed to get by, but after six or seven years, they're just little known 
misfits. The show was shocking to me because after that long on a small ship 
with a crew of around 150, how the hell can the Captain not know everyone 
intimately? How the hell can all those missions and duties only go to that 
small co
re of people Janeway seems to have hung out with? I thought the writing and the 
premise was awful, and then seeing how much time was wasted on Janeway 
developing Seven, it made me even more irritated that she's somehow avoided her 
duty to take an interest in people who'd been on Voyager since day one.


 -- Original message --
From: "Meta" 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
> >
> > That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
> among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other
> scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
> 
> Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not
> been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose.
> Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in
> danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping
> the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand
> in starting the original fan cons.
> > 
> > I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the
> main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that
> Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ.
> The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D
> chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his
> logical box.
> 
> I didn't start liking Deanna until she started dressing in uniform and
> I really became a fan after she played the undercover Romulan.  
> 
> 
> Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused.
> 
> She was a fav of mine as well and they really had not a clue 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Oh yeah, Ivanova on B5 was awesome. I also liked  the telepath who was enhanced 
by the Vorlons and became a sort of agent for Sheridan against the Psi Corps 
and others.  Claudia Black on Farscape was amazing. She was one of the 
toughest, coolest women in TV scifi I've ever seen. I loved her character on 
SG-1 too, but gotta admit, it was really jarring seeing the tough Aeryn show up 
as a seemingly flighty thief! Took a while to get adjusted to that change!

 -- Original message --
From: Augustus Augustus 
> Keith, 
> 
> u are so right about them being under used.  the exceptions for the trek 
> series 
> were Dax and Kira.  i even liked Dax's character when she was in the 
> alternate 
> universe.  the thing between her and Sisko was too kool!  always knew he 
> wanted 
> 2 hit just a little bit.  as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was 
> kick 
> ass.  smart, sexy, and tough.  she was good.  Farscape was good too with 
> Claudia 
> Black as Aeryn Sun.  but then again, always had a little crush on claudia 
> black 
> (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.
> 
> Dr. Fate
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
> wrote:
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 1:19 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following 
> among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi 
> giants 
> like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
> 
> 
> 
> I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
> character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
> originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that 
> we 
> saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
> more 
> her ability to think outside his logical box.  Beverly Crusher was a fav of 
> mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra 
> butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?
> 
> 
> 
> What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly 
> well-rounded 
> to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
> needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
> tough 
> as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man.
> 
>   -- Original message  - -
> 
> From: "Meta" 
> 
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
> > wrote:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> 
> > Next Gen
> 
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> 
> >  Too bad
> 
> > > they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> 
> > > unexplored potential
> 
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> 
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> 
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> 
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> 
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> 
> > female following they have. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Meta
> 
> > 
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> > 
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Keith, u are so right about them being under used.  the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira.  i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe.  the thing between her and Sisko was too kool!  always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit.  as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass.  smart, sexy, and tough.  she was good.  Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun.  but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.Dr. Fate--- On Sat, 1/3/09, KeithBJohnson@comcast.net comcast.net> wrote:From:
 KeithBJohnson@comcast.net comcast.net>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, diesTo: scifino...@yahoogroups

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

I thought of her, but wondered if, like Seven, she'd be thrown in the 
"ultra-fem" category because of her appearance, job, and initial 
characterization.
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, 
> being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
> 
>  Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:19:15 +
> 
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? 
> And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like 
> Babylon 
> 5, Star Wars, Farscape?
> 
> I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
> character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
> originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that 
> we 
> saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
> more 
> her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of 
> mine, 
> but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra 
> butch" 
> category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?
> 
> What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly 
> well-rounded 
> to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
> needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
> tough 
> as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man.
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Meta" 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> > Next Gen
> > > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> > Too bad
> > > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > > unexplored potential
> > Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> > the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> > their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> > women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> > glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> > female following they have. 
> > 
> > Meta
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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   May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character.
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 To : scifino...@yahoogroups.com

That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?

I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box.  Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?

What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man.
 -- Original message --
From: "Meta" 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> Next Gen
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
>  Too bad
> > they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> > unexplored potential
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta
> 
> 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds



  


	
	
	

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RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

And the other two times?

 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction.
> 
> Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800
> 
>  From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
>  To : 
> 
> 
> Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
> hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. 
> Sigh…
> .. I know. Sex sells 
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Martin Baxter
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
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>  
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> 
> IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
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> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
> Next Gen 
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
> Too bad 
> > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> > unexplored potential 
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> 
>  
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> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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   A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction.Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.
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Me too.  I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show.  Sigh….. I know.  Sex sells 

 

From: scifino...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogroups.com
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IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote: 
> 
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
Next Gen 
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
Too bad 
> they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> unexplored potential 
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
female following they have. 

Meta 







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds



  


	
	
	

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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Dax]

For me I thought that Dr. Crusher would become a stronger character when she 
was in command of the Enterprise. However that fell through. Then it became to 
me that in every movie her role became less and less. Meaning what was the 
point in having her in the movies at all. But I have to agree with Mr. Baxter, 
Jadzia was the best female character out of the whole series.
--Lavender
If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.


From: Tracey de Morsella 
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:45 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies


Me too.  I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show.  Sigh….. 
I know.  Sex sells 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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  IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
  wrote: 
  > 
  > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
  Next Gen 
  > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
  Too bad 
  > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
  > unexplored potential 
  Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
  the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
  their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
  women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
  glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
  female following they have. 

  Meta 







  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
 


 

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[Augustus Augustus]

how indeedy?

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 3:14 PM

How could I forget Susan Ivanova?




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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus
 wrote:
>
> Keith, 
> 
> u are so right about them being under used.  the exceptions for the
trek series were Dax and Kira.  i even liked Dax's character when she
was in the alternate universe.  the thing between her and Sisko was
too kool!  always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit.  as 4 B5,
Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass.  smart, sexy, and
tough.  she was good.  Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as
Aeryn Sun.  but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black
(so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.
> 
> Dr. Fate
I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic.
The show was just the best, period.

Meta





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds


  

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[Martin Baxter]

How could I forget Susan Ivanova?





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 From : "Meta" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus
 wrote:
>
> Keith, 
> 
> u are so right about them being under used.  the exceptions for the
trek series were Dax and Kira.  i even liked Dax's character when she
was in the alternate universe.  the thing between her and Sisko was
too kool!  always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit.  as 4 B5,
Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass.  smart, sexy, and
tough.  she was good.  Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as
Aeryn Sun.  but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black
(so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.
> 
> Dr. Fate
I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic.
The show was just the best, period.

Meta





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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[Martin Baxter]

The same with me, Meta. In her first few appearances on-air, I ahd to use the 
mute button, because her voice really rode me the wrong way.





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
 wrote:
>
> May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as
eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character.
> 
Now it took a very long time and much patients before I could bring
myself to like her, but at least she didn't go for the obvious hunky
human guys. She turned out to be a good character.

Meta




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus
 wrote:
>
> Keith, 
> 
> u are so right about them being under used.  the exceptions for the
trek series were Dax and Kira.  i even liked Dax's character when she
was in the alternate universe.  the thing between her and Sisko was
too kool!  always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit.  as 4 B5,
Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass.  smart, sexy, and
tough.  she was good.  Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as
Aeryn Sun.  but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black
(so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.
> 
> Dr. Fate
I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic.
The show was just the best, period.

Meta

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[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
 wrote:
>
> May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as
eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character.
> 
Now it took a very long time and much patients before I could bring
myself to like her, but at least she didn't go for the obvious hunky
human guys. She turned out to be a good character.

Meta

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:
>
> That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following
among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other
scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?

Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not
been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose.
Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in
danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping
the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand
in starting the original fan cons.
> 
> I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the
main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that
Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ.
The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D
chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his
logical box.

I didn't start liking Deanna until she started dressing in uniform and
I really became a fan after she played the undercover Romulan.  


Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused.

She was a fav of mine as well and they really had not a clue what to
do with her, besides kill patients.:)

 I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra butch" category, and Seven of
Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?

I liked Janeway at first, until they turned her into a bad rendition 
of a female Capt. Ahab with earth as the whale. For some reason I
liked Seven, okay the costume was a bit much, but I actually thought
Jerry did an okay job. I never meshed with Enterprise so I can't
really say much about T'pol. I do plan to watch the show from
beginning to end one day. I have to, I'm a Trekkie.:)
> 
> What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly
well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and
tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the
other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a
woman who could have tender feelings for a man.

The DS9 ladies were as close to real women as Trek ever came, although
here and there they strayed a bit. My fav was Kassidy and they sort of
half-heartedly used her. Still DS9 is my favorite 'realistic' Trek.
TNG's my fav 'fantasy' Trek.

As for the others, Star War only had Leia and in the first movie she
was just the 'bone' the heroes wanted. I do like her. One can't expect
much more from Lucas, after all.

I never saw all of Babylon 5, but I liked what I did see a great deal.
As for Farscape, I'm still in shock that they took it off. I
absolutely loved this show from beginning to end. They got it right.
I'm still hoping for a movie or something.

Meta
 

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[Augustus Augustus]

Keith, 

u are so right about them being under used.  the exceptions for the trek series 
were Dax and Kira.  i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate 
universe.  the thing between her and Sisko was too kool!  always knew he wanted 
2 hit just a little bit.  as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick 
ass.  smart, sexy, and tough.  she was good.  Farscape was good too with 
Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun.  but then again, always had a little crush on 
claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.

Dr. Fate

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net  wrote:
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 1:19 AM











That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following 
among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants 
like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?



I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we 
saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
more her ability to think outside his logical box.  Beverly Crusher was a fav 
of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the 
"ultra butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?



What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded 
to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a 
man.

  -- Original message  - -

From: "Meta" 

> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 

> wrote:

> >

> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on

> Next Gen

> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.

>  Too bad

> > they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much

> > unexplored potential

> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for

> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of

> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do

> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few

> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a

> female following they have. 

> 

> Meta

> 

> 




  




 

















  

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction.

Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television.





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 To : 


Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. Sigh….. I 
know. Sex sells 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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>From : "Meta" 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote: 
> 
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
Next Gen 
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
Too bad 
> they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> unexplored potential 
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
female following they have. 

Meta 







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, 
being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character.





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 Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:19:15 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? 
And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like 
Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?

I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we 
saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of 
mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra 
butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?

What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded 
to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a 
man.
 -- Original message --
From: "Meta" 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> Next Gen
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
> Too bad
> > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > unexplored potential
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta
> 
> 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Indeed. As I said in another post just now, there were more balanced women on 
DS9 than any Trek ep. Dax is one of my top fav women of all Trekdom. It's easy 
to say why so many men on the station fell for her. I loved her lighthearted 
nature, that smile she always wore, how she could go from hanging with Kira to 
a romantic date, to a card game at Quarks, then off to pick up a Bat'leth and 
spar with a Klingon.

 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]------
> 
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> 
>  Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> 
>  From : "Meta" 
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> Next Gen
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
>  Too bad
> > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > unexplored potential
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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   IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
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--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds



  


	
	
	

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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? 
And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like 
Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?

I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we 
saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
more her ability to think outside his logical box.  Beverly Crusher was a fav 
of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the 
"ultra butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?

What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded 
to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a 
man.
 -- Original message --
From: "Meta" 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> Next Gen
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
>  Too bad
> > they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> > unexplored potential
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta
> 
> 


--- Begin Message ---













--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" >
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta


  


	
	
	

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[Tracey de Morsella]

Me too.  I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show.  Sigh….. 
I know.  Sex sells 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 


IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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>From : "Meta" 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote: 
> 
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
Next Gen 
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
Too bad 
> they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> unexplored potential 
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
female following they have. 

Meta 







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Those are the ones I was thinking of too.

 -- Original message --
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.  Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:26 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> dies
> 
> Yeah, she was good as Troi's mother, although i liked the role better when
> they allowed her to be serious amidst the seeming cluelessness. 
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Dax" 
> > I loved her in the role of Troi's mother. She was always good at 
> > making Picard cringe at the thought of her coming on board. A member 
> > of the cast that will be missed.
> > --Lavender
> > If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> > 
> > 
> > From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:06 AM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' 
> > creator, dies
> > 
> > 
> > Majel was so far ahead of the times when she was cast as Number One in 
> > the first Trek pilot. I have always wondered what she could have done 
> > with that role, had she not been knocked down to being not even a 
> > doctor, but a nurse assisting Bones.  Gene Roddenberry always hated 
> > that the networks made him do that, but fortunately she went on to 
> > have a long and rich life in acting. And in "Star
> > Trek: The Motion Picture", they even took pains to mention that she 
> > had finally become a doctor!
> > 
> >   -- Original message -- 
> >   From: Daryle Lockhart 
> > 
> >   Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.
> > 
> >   For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.
> > 
> >   I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, 
> >   which sucks. My heart goes out to Rod, their son. movie #11 is 
> >   coming out and both his mom and dad are gone.
> > 
> >   On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> > 
> >   > So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >   >
> >   > Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> >   > dies
> >   >
> >   > Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
> >   >
> >   > From : "brent wodehouse" 
> >   >
> >   > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
> >   >
> >   > Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> >   >
> >   > The Associated Press
> >   >
> >   > Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" 
> >   > creator
> >   > Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
> >   >
> >   > Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
> >   > Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
> >   >
> >   > Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
> >   >
> >   > Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV 
> >   > series
> >   > and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
> >   > computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
> >   >
> >   > After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
> >   > Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer 
> >   > for two
> >   > unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
> >   > Conflict."
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Tracey de Morsella]

I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen
with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.  Too bad
they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
unexplored potential

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:26 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
dies

Yeah, she was good as Troi's mother, although i liked the role better when
they allowed her to be serious amidst the seeming cluelessness. 
 -- Original message --
From: "Dax" 
> I loved her in the role of Troi's mother. She was always good at 
> making Picard cringe at the thought of her coming on board. A member 
> of the cast that will be missed.
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> 
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:06 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' 
> creator, dies
> 
> 
> Majel was so far ahead of the times when she was cast as Number One in 
> the first Trek pilot. I have always wondered what she could have done 
> with that role, had she not been knocked down to being not even a 
> doctor, but a nurse assisting Bones.  Gene Roddenberry always hated 
> that the networks made him do that, but fortunately she went on to 
> have a long and rich life in acting. And in "Star
> Trek: The Motion Picture", they even took pains to mention that she 
> had finally become a doctor!
> 
>   -- Original message -- 
>   From: Daryle Lockhart 
> 
>   Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.
> 
>   For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.
> 
>   I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, 
>   which sucks. My heart goes out to Rod, their son. movie #11 is 
>   coming out and both his mom and dad are gone.
> 
>   On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
>   > So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>   >
>   > Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
>   > dies
>   >
>   > Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
>   >
>   > From : "brent wodehouse" 
>   >
>   > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>   >
>   >
>   > http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
>   >
>   > Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
>   >
>   > The Associated Press
>   >
>   > Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
>   >
>   >
>   > LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" 
>   > creator
>   > Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
>   >
>   > Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
>   > Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
>   >
>   > Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
>   >
>   > Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV 
>   > series
>   > and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
>   > computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
>   >
>   > After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
>   > Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer 
>   > for two
>   > unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
>   > Conflict."
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 





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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Yeah, she was good as Troi's mother, although i liked the role better when they 
allowed her to be serious amidst the seeming cluelessness. 
 -- Original message --
From: "Dax" 
> I loved her in the role of Troi's mother. She was always good at making 
> Picard 
> cringe at the thought of her coming on board. A member of the cast that will 
> be 
> missed.
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> 
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:06 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> 
> 
> Majel was so far ahead of the times when she was cast as Number One in the 
> first 
> Trek pilot. I have always wondered what she could have done with that role, 
> had 
> she not been knocked down to being not even a doctor, but a nurse assisting 
> Bones.  Gene Roddenberry always hated that the networks made him do that, but 
> fortunately she went on to have a long and rich life in acting. And in "Star 
> Trek: The Motion Picture", they even took pains to mention that she had 
> finally 
> become a doctor! 
> 
>   -- Original message -- 
>   From: Daryle Lockhart  
> 
>   Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.
> 
>   For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.
> 
>   I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, 
>   which sucks. My heart goes out to Rod, their son. movie #11 is 
>   coming out and both his mom and dad are gone.
> 
>   On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
>   > So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>   >
>   > Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
>   > dies
>   >
>   > Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
>   >
>   > From : "brent wodehouse" 
>   >
>   > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>   >
>   >
>   > http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
>   >
>   > Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
>   >
>   > The Associated Press
>   >
>   > Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
>   >
>   >
>   > LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" 
>   > creator
>   > Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
>   >
>   > Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
>   > Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
>   >
>   > Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
>   >
>   > Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV 
>   > series
>   > and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
>   > computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
>   >
>   > After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
>   > Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer 
>   > for two
>   > unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
>   > Conflict."
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 


--- Begin Message ---
















I loved her in the role of 
Troi's mother. She was always good at making Picard cringe at the thought of her 
coming on board. A member of the cast that will be missed.
--Lavender
If you don't like vanilla, 
try some chocolate.



From: KeithBJohnson@comcast.net 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:06 AM
To: scifino...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' 
creator, dies

Majel was so far ahead of the times when she was cast as Number One in the 
first Trek pilot. I have always wondered what she could have done with that 
role, had she not been knocked down to being not even a doctor, but a nurse 
assisting Bones.  Gene Roddenberry always hated that the networks made him 
do that, but fortunately she went on to have a long and rich life in acting. And 
in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", they even took pains to mention that she had 
finally become a doctor! 
 
-- 
  Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart 
  rt.com> 
  
  Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.For me, this is like royalty 
  has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.I think I was the one to 
  break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, which sucks. My heart goes ou

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Dax]

I loved her in the role of Troi's mother. She was always good at making Picard 
cringe at the thought of her coming on board. A member of the cast that will be 
missed.
--Lavender
If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.


From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:06 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies


Majel was so far ahead of the times when she was cast as Number One in the 
first Trek pilot. I have always wondered what she could have done with that 
role, had she not been knocked down to being not even a doctor, but a nurse 
assisting Bones.  Gene Roddenberry always hated that the networks made him do 
that, but fortunately she went on to have a long and rich life in acting. And 
in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", they even took pains to mention that she 
had finally become a doctor! 

  -- Original message -- 
  From: Daryle Lockhart  

  Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.

  For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.

  I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, 
  which sucks. My heart goes out to Rod, their son. movie #11 is 
  coming out and both his mom and dad are gone.

  On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

  > So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
  >
  > Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
  > dies
  >
  > Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
  >
  > From : "brent wodehouse" 
  >
  > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
  >
  >
  > http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
  >
  > Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
  >
  > The Associated Press
  >
  > Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
  >
  >
  > LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" 
  > creator
  > Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
  >
  > Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
  > Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
  >
  > Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
  >
  > Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV 
  > series
  > and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
  > computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
  >
  > After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
  > Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer 
  > for two
  > unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
  > Conflict."
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds



 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Majel was so far ahead of the times when she was cast as Number One in the 
first Trek pilot. I have always wondered what she could have done with that 
role, had she not been knocked down to being not even a doctor, but a nurse 
assisting Bones.  Gene Roddenberry always hated that the networks made him do 
that, but fortunately she went on to have a long and rich life in acting. And 
in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", they even took pains to mention that she 
had finally become a doctor! 

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart  
Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.

For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.

I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, 
which sucks. My heart goes out to Rod, their son. movie #11 is 
coming out and both his mom and dad are gone.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
>
> Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
>
> From : "brent wodehouse" 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
>
> Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
>
> The Associated Press
>
> Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
>
>
> LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" 
> creator
> Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
>
> Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
> Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
>
> Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
>
> Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV 
> series
> and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
> computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
>
> After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
> Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer 
> for two
> unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
> Conflict."
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds


 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

If they managed to get all the post-production work done, we will hear Majel 
one last time, as the voice of the Enterprise computer in the upcoming "Star 
Trek" movie. Gonna miss that: she's been doing it for years. Even the Star Trek 
Technical Manual and show guide CDs I have use her voice for the guided tours 
and technical narrations.
Sad to see her pass on...

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart  
Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.

For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.

I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter, 
which sucks. My heart goes out to Rod, their son. movie #11 is 
coming out and both his mom and dad are gone.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, 
> dies
>
> Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
>
> From : "brent wodehouse" 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
>
> Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
>
> The Associated Press
>
> Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
>
>
> LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" 
> creator
> Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
>
> Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
> Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
>
> Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
>
> Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV 
> series
> and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
> computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
>
> After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
> Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer 
> for two
> unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
> Conflict."
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds


 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Adrianne Brennan]

Oh crap.  Wil didn't know?  :(  He's on my Twitter, too
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Daryle Lockhart
wrote:

> Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.
>
> For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.
>
> I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter,
> which sucks. My  heart goes out to Rod, their son.  movie #11 is
> coming out  and both  his mom and dad are gone.
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
> > So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> >  Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,
> > dies
> >
> >  Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
> >
> >  From : "brent wodehouse" 
> >
> >  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
> >
> > Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
> >
> > The Associated Press
> >
> > Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
> >
> >
> > LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek"
> > creator
> > Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
> >
> > Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
> > Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
> >
> > Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
> >
> > Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV
> > series
> > and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
> > computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
> >
> > After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
> > Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer
> > for two
> > unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
> > Conflict."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Daryle Lockhart]

Hailing frequencies closed, Number One.

For me, this is like royalty has passed. The TOS crew is getting small.

I think I was the one to break this news to Wil Wheaton via Twitter,  
which sucks. My  heart goes out to Rod, their son.  movie #11 is  
coming out  and both  his mom and dad are gone.



On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator,  
> dies
>
>  Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500
>
>  From : "brent wodehouse" 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
>
> Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
>
> The Associated Press
>
> Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
>
>
> LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek"  
> creator
> Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
>
> Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
> Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
>
> Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
>
> Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV  
> series
> and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
> computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
>
> After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
> Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer  
> for two
> unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
> Conflict."
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

So sorry to read this. My condolences to her family.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

 Date : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:48:12 -0500

 From : "brent wodehouse" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728

Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

The Associated Press

Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST


LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" creator
Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.

Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.

Her son, Eugene, was at her side.

Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV series
and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.

After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer for two
unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
Conflict."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Adrianne Brennan]

Just got the news in another group.  :(  Been a fan of the series my whole
life, so sad
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM, brent wodehouse <
brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

> http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11263728
>
> Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
>
> The Associated Press
>
> Article Launched: 12/18/2008 01:21:50 PM PST
>
>
> LOS ANGELES - Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" creator
> Gene Roddenberry, has died. She was 76.
>
> Family spokesman Sean Rossall says Majel Roddenberry died of leukemia
> Thursday morning at her home in Los Angeles.
>
> Her son, Eugene, was at her side.
>
> Roddenberry played Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1960s TV series
> and had smaller roles in many of its successors. She also voices the
> computer in the upcoming "Star Trek" movie.
>
> After her husband's death in 1991, she continued to promote the "Star
> Trek" legacy at conventions. She also was the executive producer for two
> unrelated TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final
> Conflict."
>
>
> 
>
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