Re: 250 ppm
Hey all, Speaking of ppms, I have had to buy all mine (CS) from the health food store up till now. It says on the bottle it is 250 ppm. I wonder if someone here could test it? I live near the person that had the ppms testers but emailed and never got a response, is he still here? I quit taking it when I had some pain in the liver area, (but could be my gall bladder, did not want to risk it with surgery looming) and that is another very good reason I want to make my own now. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: insight/herx/pools?
M. G. Devour wrote: Hope you get better soon, Ma'am! Thanks Mike, very muchG. My husband's friend is into the Y2K thing and so now my husband is finally ready to get me the CS maker for that. I will be requiring your adviceG. Also, I remember reading that one can keep ones pool clean with CS, does anyone know how this is done??? We are not up and running yet this year and I would like to do the switch if it is at all feasible Deb Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: insight/herx
Susan, One other question. Someone told me that the antioxidants may interfere with the hypertension medication I am taking. The CS is working. I'm having better days more often. Thanks for any info. Nick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Colloidal Copper with CS
Hi there, A fellow CS maker and friend makes CS and adds colloidal copper (CC) and H2O2 all into one bottle. Here is some info from his brochure. - WHY COLLOIDAL SILVER, COPPER AND H2O2? Copper deficiency can compromise the immune system due to reduction of the defending white blood cells; suppresses the body's ANTI-OXIDANTS and impairs the controlling of the blood pressure because the effectiveness of the relaxing factor in arteries, especially in the aorta, decreases. H2O2 provides the much needed oxygen without which the body cannot function properly. Anaerobic microbes proliferate at high rate in the absence of O2. Further to the individual qualities and health enhancing properties of these three, the synergistic effect of the three-in-one complex increases the total effect (value) of them to much more than the sum of the three separately. H2O2 synergises silver microbial lethality up to 30 fold and copper synergises H2O2 up to 3000 fold. (sic) - He has fantastic results with this CS, CC and H2O2 combination on patients. Best, Christian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
My HVAC setup
Hi Fred and List, At 01:12 PM 4/30/98 -0400, you wrote: Could you give a good enough description of your unit for someone else to try and duplicate it? I have a 9000 VAC 60 Hz 30 mA transformer sitting here just looking for a purpose in life :-) I'll try... My unit consists of three parts: the power supply, the brewing vessel with electrodes and the water in it. I'll describe all three. (I'll paste in some of my previous posts :) I use a 12000 volt ac transformer with the following specs: Primary: 240 v - 1.65 amp Secondary: 12000 v - 30 milliamp 50 Hz, 360 VA This unit is used by neon display companies to power the tubes in the neon signs. Here in SA the transformers can be found in 5000, 6000, 9000, 1 and 12000 volt, all 30 milliamp. This is according to a guy at a neon sign manufacturer. The transformer measures 225 mm long, 95 mm wide and 130 mm high. It weighs just under 10 kg and is made in Hong Kong - ah so! : I connect a multimeter in series with the live wire and leave it so as to monitor input current for the whole duration of a typical 4 hour run. I first measured the current with the transformer under no load, no wires connected at the secondary terminals and it drew a constant 0.16 amp. I use a one liter glass beaker. I will upgrade this to 2 liter shortly. I have a piece of plastic - gray stuff in-between nylon and hard plastic - that I machined on a lathe to fit securely on the top of the beaker. You don't want anything to move around at 12000 volt! It is about 7 mm thick and 11 mm in diameter. It has two ventilation slots on top. The electrode configuration is almost exactly the same as the Bruce Marx setup. Warren was kind enough to measure his setup on the HVAC Ultra. I'll just paste in his very detailed description. (Thanks again Warren.) -start paste- The way my CSPro Ultra is set up, there is a bar of silver which is about 1.5 millimeters thick and about 10 by 2 1/2 centimeters. It is suspended by two copper wires hanging down from a female banana plug in the plastic top of the plastic container where the CS is produced. The silver bar hangs horizontally from the two copper wires in the form of an inverted v terminating in bent ends like the letter j passing through two holes drilled in the upper edge of the silver bar. The bar hangs in the water up to a millimeter or so from the copper wires. In other words, the vast majority of the silver bar is hanging in the distilled water almost to the level of the two holes which are drilled near the top of the bar. On the plastic top to each side of the banana plug terminal for the bar at about 3 and 1/2 centimeters is found another female banana plug terminal. A copper wire connects these two terminals. One of the female banana plugs is filled with plastic so nothing plugs into it. Suspended from each is copper wire that is formed into a one centimeter coil (to allow adjustment) and then terminates in another j . A short (about 2 1/2 centimeter) twisted piece of silver wire with an eye hangs on each copper j wire and is set at about 1 or 2 millimeters from the surface of the distilled water (These hang on each side of the hanging bar). When the unit is set up with the cables from the machine plugged into the top of the water container and all clearances are correct (silver bar in the distilled water all but a couple of millimeters, twisted silver wires a couple of millimeters from the top of the water) then I am ready to turn on the power. At that time, if I have good water, the water jumps up and forms a cone around each twisted wire. With really good water the cones are a centimeter and a half wide and a centimeter and a half tall, surrounding the lower part of the hanging wire. With bad water there is only one cone with the other wire arcing or both wires just arc. Of the three different kinds of distilled water I can get in my area, only one is good. It is called TV (True Value) brand and on the label it says sodium content less than .01 mg per 8 oz serving. It is distributed by Fleming Companies, Inc, Oklahoma City, OK USA (Which I include for those who may read this in the US.) Holes are cut in the top of the plastic pail for ventilation. -end paste- I then mailed Warren again for more info. Here are my questions and his reply: What is the diameter of your twisted silver electrodes? I noticed that my small electrodes created a nice water pyramid, but after about half an hour the tips were barely in contact with the water. Does the same happen in your system? I lowered mine to make light contact anyway. Does your manual say anything about this? -start paste- Responding to your questions: 1. twisted electrodes are about 1 to 2 millimeters in diameter, I'd say 1.5 millimeters and about 3 centimeters long when new. After several batches they shorten in length and eventually have to be replaced. 2. When I use good water, that is the TV water, the cones stay around the wires during the entire two
Re: New members...
M. G. Devour wrote: Okay! The feedback says we've been mentioned recently on the Rife list, the oxytherapy list, and sci.med.diseases.lyme! Thanks everybody! And thank you to the folks forwarding the info to those other forums. Be well, Mike D. How many are on this list Mike? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Voltage Current.
From: Christian von Wechmar christ...@owf.co.za I use a home made HVAC unit. It runs at 12000 volt ac 50 Hz and has a max current rating of 30 mA. My electrode setup is identical to Bruce Marx's. Could you give a good enough description of your unit for someone else to try and duplicate it? I have a 9000 VAC 60 Hz 30 mA transformer sitting here just looking for a purpose in life :-) fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?
Hello All, Regarding using silver us coins 64 and preceding years. From Article in perceptions magazine 1996 may/june by author Mark Metcalf, Quote from article Under emergency conditions it would be good to remeber that U.S. silver coins from 1964 and earlier contain 90 percent silver, nine percent copper and one percent zinc, all which are known to have beneficial properties if used in a collodial state. Just scour the coins until they are clean and shiny. (I mention this purely as an intellectual consideration and not to recomend that anyone undertake such an action under normal conditions. silver wire is much easier to use.) end quote. He also mentions in article perceptions nov/dec 1995 Do not to use sterling (.9275 fine) since sterling contains copper and nickle. NICKLE CAN BE TOXIC. (With this in mind, you may want to get a chemical analysis (assay) of your purchased silver in addition to the written word of your supplier.)end of quote Article is information packed. thanks mike slivinski -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Wasp Sting
A quick testimony: A wasp just stung me on the arm. I applied yellow ~10ppm CS liberally for about 3 minutes. The pain stopped instantly and the swelling has gone. Good stuff this CS. Here's something else that works... take a piece of an asprin, and rub it into the Wasp Sting wound... and it will also stop the pain.. Gig -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Wasp Sting
Hi there List, A quick testimony: A wasp just stung me on the arm. I applied yellow ~10ppm CS liberally for about 3 minutes. The pain stopped instantly and the swelling has gone. Good stuff this CS. Be well, Christian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Voltage Current.
Hi Frank and List, At 01:51 PM 4/30/98 +0930, you wrote: How did you check the particle sizes? Is the HVAC unit commercial or did you make it yourself and what voltage does it run at? I had it checked at a laboratory using a ZetaSizer Version PCS. The particle sizes and concentration (ppm) of colloidal silver are at the bottom end of this machine's capability. I have had 30VDC CS checked with scanning and transmission electron microscopes. But not the HVAC CS. I'm going to make HVAC and 30VDC CS from the same water and compare them with a transmission e. microscope. I will also have a look at the distilled, deionized water I'm using just to see what lurks in there. I have just thought about my HVAC results yesterday. I used distilled water from a different lab. I am now wondering if the particle size was not so small that the ZetaSizer did not even measure them, but measured impurities in the water?! I'm actually hoping that this is the case. I use a home made HVAC unit. It runs at 12000 volt ac 50 Hz and has a max current rating of 30 mA. My electrode setup is identical to Bruce Marx's. Not an easy business to measure CS for its ppm and particle size. My time is a bit limited right now, but when I have new results I'll post them. I quite like the HVAC process. It is very clean and the hardware commands respect! I'm hoping to make HVAC CS that is on the same spec that Bruce Marx claims. Why don't you buy some of his CS and have it checked with e. microscope and ICP? I feel that if his machine makes what he claims, it is a must buy. Be well, Christian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: insight/herx
Thanks for the very informative post, Susan. (If this is too much off topic, you can privately email me. I've got some questions.) I've found great benefit in using Beano to eat various vegetables and beef fat (sorry, haven't given beef up yet!) I'm curious about other enzymes; my allergies are causing continual mild upset stomachs. It causes me to crave carbohydrates which is likely over feeding candida, contributing to more hunger... I think the CS is helping keep candida in check. Never the less, due to allergies, I wake up feeling famished and find myself munching on junk all day long. (Still no sinus infections despite a couple bad colds this year. CS has diverted them! I used to get SI 3 or a4 times a year!) Do you have any idea what's going on here if an enzyme supplement can help with that? Sincerely, Nancy -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen syen...@clearwater.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 4:15 AM Subject: Re: insight/herx Susan, Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would appreciate any info that you could provide. Vern Vern, I had the article and sent it with a friend so she would understand what I am saying to her. It has a good bibliogralphy for you. I will see if I can get it back from her and post it for you. Megazymes by Enzymatic tharapy are good for me b/c I can tolerate them whereas others I cannot that is why I say this brand. It is Pancreatic enzymes (10X) 325 mg (full strength undiluted and uncut) Units of activity* Protease 96,580 Amylase 98,780 Lip[ase 24,496 Trypsin75 mg papain 50mg bromelain (1.200 M.C.U.) 50 mg amylase 10 mg lipase 10 mg lysozyme 100 mg chymotrypsin 2mg About Candida, you can eradicate it with CS done slowly and carefully according to your health state. WHen a single celled organism, or parasite or the spirochete of which we read so much dies, it's death releases a toxin that was inside the organism heretofor. So when [people get treated for Candida and are not properlu educated about the Jarisch Herxheiomer reaction--the body'e reaction to the toxin released at the death of the organism, oftentimes they feel worse and stop taking the medication and may say they are allergic or whatever b/c we don't get the same thing painfiul reactions with antibiotic therapy for common micro organisms. As a matter of fact many doctors don't understand this. Funguses are very different creatures docs in 3rd world countries are the best at recognizing these things and treating them. Although we are catching up. Funguses have the ability to change forms according to their replication cycle and unless you are in this cycle they will not be found in the blood, they can be budding yeast which looks like cottage cheese or mycelia which can travel from organ to organ with out the use of the vascular system. When you are in this replication cycle you feel worse and crave sweets or fermented things. The yeast need more carbohydrate to live. Yeast Canndida and monilia are basically the same for the purpose of this post. What the enzyme does ON AN EMPTY STOMACH is get readily absorbed into the bloodstream and eat up 'the toxins released by the dying fungi or spirochete. It is a good add on for treatment of Candida but will not kill candida. It will alleviate the pain as do the other things I delineated in a previous post. Now, the article had several subtitles and said in effect that in studies done--double blind no less that it has been found that they relieve the pain of inflammation better that then ensaids so commonly prescribed which are poison to me. They also discovered a use for these in autoimmune disease like MS and so forth is that they discovereed that the enzymes will also eliminate circulating immune complexes. this is important for peopole like me for instance b/c the immune complexes I have are anti myelin ones and attack the lining of the nerves and it is painful process. Also good in allergies for precisely the same thing they will digest allergens, reduce swelling (anti inflammation effect) tThe anti inflammation effect is accomplished as the enzymes soften and digest the fibrin and other substance and catecholamines in the infalammatory reaction, including arachidonic acid which is the culprit that causes pain. So It may be a while before I can get that bibliography up b/c I can't leave the mountain just now and I will have to get her to bring it to me. These also aid in digestion taken with food. Many people have malabsorption problems once things are set into motion of
Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?
Regarding purity of silver in coins, I couldn't resist sharing one of my dad's favorite lines-- my father is a preacher in what's left of his free time. Rat poison is 98% pure food. It's the 2% you have to watch out for! He uses this line in reference to warning of false teachings, which is the most emphasized theme of the New Testament, and regarding fanciful promises politicians and salespeople make, etc. I'm also thinking of the funny, old Ritz cracker commercial-- Looks the same. Got the same # of holes! (Another voice...) Just don't taste the same. Michael is right. Why mess around with unknowns? Let silver coins be silver coins. Silver wire is not expensive and easy to get. That's the way to go, unless you have your own chem lab to test everything. Nancy B. -Original Message- From: It's not me rocke...@micron.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 3:03 AM Subject: Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,? I sure would not try this unless I was in a pinch. . is a measure of silvers purity, but 90 percent silver coinage tells you little about the 10% that isn't silver. Remember, things that might be acceptable in a coin, may not be healthy in your body. Coins are cast with no particular attention given to the fact that someone may ingest them. :-) Think along the lines of surgical or food grade quality when putting things in your body. If someone gave you a pill that they said was 90% vitamin C, wouldn't you want to know what the other 10% was before you took the pill. I think natural and folk medicine is great, but be wary, there is a line that is crossed that just doesn't make good sense (at least to me). Be careful of the more is better thinking. Colloidal silver is fine and appears to have at least some antidotal and research evidence to support it's use. All these other colloids, I am just not sure about. Somebody, somewhere will start selling colloidal uranium, and the bad thing is that people will beat a path to his/her door to buy it. -Original Message- From: Michael C Slivinski sunbr...@mymail.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 8:16 PM Subject: re-garding collodial silver, copper,? Just for some stimulation of thoughts here, in perception magazine they had 2 articles on making your own cs, the author did mention using pure 999 silver, but also mentioned one could try using silver coins which are 90 % pure silver and copper and one other metal (not nickle) and said copper is a benifit also. So wondering if using silver coins might not be good to have with these other items being made. they also made mention that some collodial mineral water had in it's list of minerals arsenic, and commented it interesting to have a poison mineral there and mentioned one other type of mineral that is known as a poison but in collodial form might not be harmful in small ppm. maybe it might be positive. Just thoughts mike slivinski -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: New members...
Okay! The feedback says we've been mentioned recently on the Rife list, the oxytherapy list, and sci.med.diseases.lyme! Thanks everybody! And thank you to the folks forwarding the info to those other forums. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: insight/herx
On 30 Apr 98 at 14:13, Donna wrote: For quite a few months I was really discouraged because I was not getting anywhere and then I finally had it tested to find out it was only 7ppm. Now that I am taking the 30ppm there is a big difference. Just checking, Donna: You're taking similar size doses now but of the higher ppm CS? Did you ever determine if you had taken large enough doses of the 7 ppm stuff it might have worked just as well? It is one school of thought that large enough quantities of even 3-5 ppm CS will do as much good as higher ppm, and be easier to make to boot. That's why we have kidneys, doncha know! g If your experience differs it would be good to analyze why. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?
On 30 Apr 98 at 11:44, Mike Slivinski wrote: From Article in perceptions magazine 1996 may/june by author Mark Metcalf, Quote from article Under emergency conditions it would be good to remeber that U.S. silver coins from 1964 and earlier contain 90 percent silver, nine percent copper and one percent zinc, all which are known to have beneficial properties if used in a collodial state. Just scour the coins until they are clean and shiny. (I mention this purely as an intellectual consideration and not to recomend that anyone undertake such an action under normal conditions. silver wire is much easier to use.) end quote. With those qualifiers, I absolutely agree, particularly for topical use. For short term emergency use, or if the alternatives are much worse, using coins makes sense. He also mentions in article perceptions nov/dec 1995 Do not to use sterling (.9275 fine) since sterling contains copper and nickle. NICKLE CAN BE TOXIC. (With this in mind, you may want to get a chemical analysis (assay) of your purchased silver in addition to the written word of your supplier.)end of quote More valid advice. We're going to need a electrode materials FAQ and this has to be prominent within it. Article is information packed. thanks mike slivinski Hang on to those articles. We should see if we can get the publisher's permission to post them to our web site. We'll at least mention them in the massive bibliography we're compiling, right? g Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: New members...
If this y2k stuff turns out to be looking bad Many people are going to want to know how to make CS if for no other reason that the usual medicines will not be available Dan -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 8:36 AM Subject: New members... We've just witnessed the unannounced arrival of over twenty new members in the last 3 days. Welcome to you all! When that kind of thing happens I have to assume the silver-list was mentioned somewhere out there in cyberspace or physical-space. If any of you would like to mention how you found out about us, either on-list or via e-mail, I would appreciate it. This list and the community surrounding it is a work in progress. It is good for us to know who we've attracted and why, so we may continue to grow in a direction that fulfills the greatest needs of our members. My aim is to provide a stable, safe environment which nurtures careful experimentation and discovery of the uses and benefits of this therapy, while helping dispel the irresponsible confusion which now exists. New minds will contribute to that effort. Thank you for joining. Please let us know who you are and what you want and need. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
New members...
We've just witnessed the unannounced arrival of over twenty new members in the last 3 days. Welcome to you all! When that kind of thing happens I have to assume the silver-list was mentioned somewhere out there in cyberspace or physical-space. If any of you would like to mention how you found out about us, either on-list or via e-mail, I would appreciate it. This list and the community surrounding it is a work in progress. It is good for us to know who we've attracted and why, so we may continue to grow in a direction that fulfills the greatest needs of our members. My aim is to provide a stable, safe environment which nurtures careful experimentation and discovery of the uses and benefits of this therapy, while helping dispel the irresponsible confusion which now exists. New minds will contribute to that effort. Thank you for joining. Please let us know who you are and what you want and need. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?
I sure would not try this unless I was in a pinch. . is a measure of silvers purity, but 90 percent silver coinage tells you little about the 10% that isn't silver. Remember, things that might be acceptable in a coin, may not be healthy in your body. Coins are cast with no particular attention given to the fact that someone may ingest them. :-) Think along the lines of surgical or food grade quality when putting things in your body. If someone gave you a pill that they said was 90% vitamin C, wouldn't you want to know what the other 10% was before you took the pill. I think natural and folk medicine is great, but be wary, there is a line that is crossed that just doesn't make good sense (at least to me). Be careful of the more is better thinking. Colloidal silver is fine and appears to have at least some antidotal and research evidence to support it's use. All these other colloids, I am just not sure about. Somebody, somewhere will start selling colloidal uranium, and the bad thing is that people will beat a path to his/her door to buy it. -Original Message- From: Michael C Slivinski sunbr...@mymail.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 8:16 PM Subject: re-garding collodial silver, copper,? Just for some stimulation of thoughts here, in perception magazine they had 2 articles on making your own cs, the author did mention using pure 999 silver, but also mentioned one could try using silver coins which are 90 % pure silver and copper and one other metal (not nickle) and said copper is a benifit also. So wondering if using silver coins might not be good to have with these other items being made. they also made mention that some collodial mineral water had in it's list of minerals arsenic, and commented it interesting to have a poison mineral there and mentioned one other type of mineral that is known as a poison but in collodial form might not be harmful in small ppm. maybe it might be positive. Just thoughts mike slivinski -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Personal Experience
Susan M. Yensen wrote: I also live in TX and am wondering if the doc you are using is near the Houston area. Peace to you, Cathryn Dr. John Parks Trowbridge lives near Houston in the Humble area. He used to do a lot with Candida is an expert on Herx but I think he is doing non surgical joint reconstruction now. Dr, Paul Farber of the book The Micro Silver Bullet lives in Houston and has an office on Hillcroft--not an MD ph# 713-772-3277 Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net Hi My name is Arnie Farber,if any one would like to conference with Dr. Paul Farber,please let me know and I will set it up.The only requirement is that you pay for any long distance charges. Sincerely; Arnie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Voltage Current.
Christian von Wechmar wrote: Hi there Frank and list, Another article states that the smaller the particles the lighter the colour. Clear for best/smallest, light yellow for acceptable, then onto to brown, green and gray for much bigger particles. I made some clear HVAC CS with a huge particle size (0.114 micron). My light yellow CS made with 30VDC has a particle size smaller than 0.026 micron. How did you check the particle sizes ? Is the HVAC unit commercial or did you make it yourself and what voltage does it run at? Regards..Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Replacing/renewing the silver electrodes
Dean Woodward wrote: I must be missing something here. Is there something wrong with solder, or is it just inconvenient?? I guess the risk of the solder becoming immersed in the solution giving you colloidal lead and whatever else is mixed in with the solder ! Regards...Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?
Hello Michael, Welcome aboard! I noticed you and several other new people have joined the list in the last couple of days. Glad you're here, folks! Thanks for jumping on in Michael, let's see what others come up with in response. Here's mine: On 29 Apr 98 at 21:39, Michael Slivinski wrote: in perception magazine they had 2 articles on making your own cs, the author did mention using pure 999 silver, but also mentioned one could try using silver coins which are 90 % pure silver and copper and one other metal (not nickle) and said copper is a benifit also. So wondering if using silver coins might not be good to have with these other items being made. I like to know what's in my product. And I'd like to know what that other metal is you mention. If you've got a half-percent of lead or something else nasty in there you could be in a world of hurt! If I wanted to experiment with a metal other than silver, I'd start from a pure source. We've discussed silver, gold, and copper from time to time here, as the subject always comes up. I don't remember a lot of positive info on colloidal copper. Input anyone? they also made mention that some collodial mineral water had in it's list of minerals arsenic, and commented it interesting to have a poison mineral there and mentioned one other type of mineral that is known as a poison but in collodial form might not be harmful in small ppm. maybe it might be positive. I have a bottle here of something called Body Booster, A liquid concentrate of 38,000 mg of a natural assortment of 77 water soluble minerals from prehistoric plants. The detail copy says approximately 77 minerals, though the list contains Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen!! LOL Anyway, among the 74 others is a whole list of things which could be nasty: cobalt, strontium, mercury, flourine, cesium, bromine, arsenic, tin, a ton of transition metals and rare earths. They go out of there way to mention Aluminum Hydroxide, rather than elemental aluminum. That's the only item listed as a compound. The assumption is if you ate a varied diet of produce and game from truly fertile soil you'd be getting trace amounts of all of them. They are also supposed to be complexed and chelated and compounded in such a way as to be bioavailable and non-toxic. If you would like to read about the source and history of this kind of product go to http://www.advancedbio.com. The T. J. Clark people claim to be the original source and I've heard nothing to disprove it. The Body Booster product is from a company inscrutibly named TRC, Tulsa, OK 74128, 1-800-423-7662. I have no clue who they are or where the stuff comes from. I don't endorse it in any way beyond having used most of a bottle and not had any body parts fall off yet. Their product was what my local health food store had on the shelf. There are other colloidal mineral products from de-salinated seawater (or Great Salt Lake water) or various clays and soils. I have no experience with them. Personally I firmly believe that mineral supplementation is a good thing. I *do* feel better when I'm using a quality supplement. I used Amway's Nutrilite XX (double-X) for some years and always got a boost from it. I'm experimenting with others now out of curiosity. There are other sources and product people have used successfully, and I'm sure they'll jump in with their (non-commercial) recommendations. Just thoughts mike slivinski Good questions. I'm looking forward to others' thoughts. Mike Devour [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
