Re: Testing CS or other anti-microbials
Bob, why can't you get the data that someone else has already paid for. Didn't I understand that the GsE people had had the test run? Can you ask them to fax the documentation to you? Wil C. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: psorisas
We have several lotions and creams on the market here. They can be mixed with the CS water and are easier to apply to the skin and stay there longer then just spraying the water on the skin. Some even use a cocoa butter lotion the same way. Try that and see if it helps. Jerry W. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Testing CS or other anti-microbials
Sam Allen at the company responded with the following: Regarding testing procedures, these are quite standardized and reliable. Laboratories have to be accurate to get repeat business. Known strains of microorganisms are placed in vitro in measured quantities, and the germicide is introduced in succeedingly smaller parts per million, until no inhibitory effect is established. This procedure generally is performed by hundreds, then tens, until you get into single numbers. (Why the report said 10 to 100 times more effective.) This then provides us with an MIC, or 'Minimum Inhibitory Concentration'. This has been consistently the easiest and most reliable way to test the effectiveness of any anti-microbial agent. Will since they have the lab report, I wonder if they would want to part with a copy of it? A lot of companies say they have lab reports, but for some reason, never produce them. The better ones do however. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Testing CS or other anti-microbials
I called a friend of mine yesterday who I remembered develops microorganisms for industrial purposes. He needs to be able to develop them and then he has to be able to kill them to stop their action. Therefore, anti-microbials are important to him and he works with them frequently. I asked him about testing CS and other substances and he was of the opinion that the process is fairly standardized. He said that he simply sends his stopping solutions out to a reputable lab to be tested in what he called a microbial challenge. In a microbial challenge, as I understood him, a predetermined number of bacteria are placed in a test tube along with a predetermined amount of the anti-microbial material (CS, GSE, antibiotic, etc.). The kill rate can then be tested and measured. He thought that the cost for a microbial challenge test should be about $400. Not chicken feed, but not outrageous either considering that the lab has to maintain cultures of bacteria. The above information corresponded with the information I got from the company that makes the grapefruit seed extract. Given bjs' response, I thought the question was worth asking so I wrote to the salesman to ask the question. bjs said: Comparing it to CS seems to be marketing. 100 times, 10 times, on average, what kind of a study produces that kind of precise numbers? Sam Allen at the company responded with the following: Regarding testing procedures, these are quite standardized and reliable. Laboratories have to be accurate to get repeat business. Known strains of microorganisms are placed in vitro in measured quantities, and the germicide is introduced in succeedingly smaller parts per million, until no inhibitory effect is established. This procedure generally is performed by hundreds, then tens, until you get into single numbers. (Why the report said 10 to 100 times more effective.) This then provides us with an MIC, or 'Minimum Inhibitory Concentration'. This has been consistently the easiest and most reliable way to test the effectiveness of any anti-microbial agent. Again, I'm no expert. For the record, my business is finance, not science. I work for a bank. But the above sounds pretty reasonable to me. Of course, no lab test can tell us exactly how a substance works in the body. They only know what it does in the test tube. Still, it is a start. I'm not yet ready to spend that much of my personal dollars, but I am considering it. Bob Wells
Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract
Debbie others, -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald lullw...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract ... I did not log my symptoms so have no idea as I have worse brain fog tooG, again, a major bad symptom that I am now wondering if CS helped by killing whatever it was that is affecting my brain??. I have not taken much since(CS) and so will start again on some store bought (yuck) till I get up and running, husband is slow on thisG and I should think my results will be very scientific if my pain goes awayG. Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net I was plateaued at about 90% better from Lyme disease as a result of 26 months antibiotic treatment. After that I started taking CS and continued to get another 5%+ better. Wish I had started the CS sooner, but then I wouldn't have known what was helping me. At the time I quit abx, I was still experiencing ear buzzing, cognitive problems (memory loss, finger confusion on the keyboard), constant aches in my feet hands (no swelling though), occasional bone pain (like a waxing/waning tooth ache occurring at least weekly-- I imagined a little spirochete drilling into a nerve ending!) and different degrees of muscle/joint pain on and off. I also still had some brain fog, but didn't realize it (thought it was just me) as the abx had helped so much already. Something was always present at any given time. But when I took CS, within days, I started feeling even better. I was amazed to finally attain days on end without the pain in my hands feet, without a twinge of bone pain; with no buzzing in my ears-- not even hissing! I finally had days on end without cognitive challenges, and I was full of energy and ideas, indicating brain fog I was unaware of was lifting. I only experienced this sort of thing once on antibiotics; at that time, I took a 3 week breather only for the symptoms to return. I have faced the fact that I may always need a maintenance dose of CS. Lyme disease is tough to totally get rid of. That's not my point, though. My point is that in my experience, CS has helped tremendously to alleviate both physical and neurological manifestations of Lyme disease. I do think CS passes the blood brain barrier, unlike many large antibiotics. Of course I can't prove this, but what I've personally experienced tells me so. Thanks for clarifying about grapefruit (Vs grape) seed extract too, Debbie. I for one didn't pick up on that till you mentioned it in your post. Sincerely, Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Message Length and question
Dan wrote: Please clip all but the important part of any message you are responding to if your email software permits editing of the message responded to. It is really a bore to have to scroll through 12 pages of The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. tagline to get one half page of original text discussion in the digest version of the list. Thank you. 8-) I believe there is a tactic for chopping out the taglines from all the messages in the digest, and just appending one copy to the end. But it's one of those arcane UNIX things, and not terribly high on my list of priorities right now. Sorry! I would like to fine tune things like that, so I'll keep it in mind. In the meantime, some good advice for all of us. Whenever you're replying to a message from the list, it is good etiquette to trim out *everything* you can that isn't needed to establish context. Your reply message is just a document that you can edit like any other. You *can* remove stuff the other people wrote. Certainly delete those nested taglines! Thanks all! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Lots of questions from John!
Haloo John, and welcome to the silver list! Slow down a bit, mate! I'll comment on a few items and leave the rest for others! grin John Surgeon wrote: What is the difference between silver list and silver digest? I just subscribed to silver list, and wonder if I should connect with silver digest in addition or instead? The silver-digest takes all the postings made to the silver-list and packages them up as a single, multi-part message once each day, or whenever the messages add up to more than 40 kilobytes. It's most helpful in managing in-basket madness for people who get a lot of e-mail. There are no differences in *content*, however. Personally, I use the filtering feature in my mail program to sort incoming messages into different folders, so I don't get them all jumbled together. I was thinking today about a more organized database for alternate/complementary medical experimentation. Would a programmed format help researchers? What do you mean, programmed format? I noted Reid Smith's recommendations to use only distilled water, and keep the electrodes away from the glass ... use of baking soda to start things off. Is this a safe concept? Start with distilled water. Baking soda or NaCl additives have both been used. There are objections to salt, since it should form silver chloride, which is toxic. Calcium bicarb shouldn't do that. The other objection, which we haven't proved one way or the other, is that using these electrolytes to jump-start the process yields larger particle sizes than we want to have. People have used it with no apparent harm observed as of yet. I would prefer to use only distilled water, but it might be difficult to get the process started, and I'm not sure how long it would take to get the desired ppm. Stenulson recommends using 1/4 of the previous batch as a starter, but no baking soda, salt or any other additives. That's the other school of thought. The starter idea works just fine. The first batch you make might take a half hour or more just getting started, but then it perks right along, although much slower than using electrolyte. The objection to *this* method, which we haven't proved one way or the other either, is that doing things so slowly, the silver *must* be forming other compounds, since it usually turns out a golden color, and silver should be clear. People have used it with no apparent harm observed as of yet. The silvery color in the zapper runs was consistent throughout the batch. This led me to believe that my zapper batches were producing true colloid, but since I used well water, I'm not so certain. I'm also not sure of the ppm of the batches. I agree with Reid. Use distilled water to start with, even if you then add electrolyte. Your well water contains a smorgasbord of salts, minerals, organic pollutants, and who-knows-what. Your water may be safe to drink, but you'd like to have better control over what you're making here! I have been using hydrogen peroxide for several weeks, and have been trying combinations of peroxide and silver. Would you advise adding peroxide before starting the silver process, or after? Dr. Beck ozonates his water during the silver process, which led me to think that adding h2o2 would have similar results.[Most responses to this question are negative.] We recently talked about H2O2 and ozone water. Maybe someone would like to chip in. I'm not up to speed on this. Some thoughts on distilled water. ... The nutritionist advocates ozone generators and distilled water, the naturopath is against *Another* spirited debate we had recently. Anybody like to make a quick recap of the two sides? I'm not sure we actually agreed on it after all... grin How does Dr. Joel Wallach's colloidal mineral concept match up to colloidal silver? To hear him tell it, Plant Derived Colloidal Minerals Purchased Only From His Company Are The Only Hope For Longevity. He says some very interesting things, and has excellent credentials, but seems to really hype the whole thing to unreal limits. Actually, I've used plant derived colloidal minerals from both the TJ Clark people and the Rockland Corp. They seem to work as a decent mineral supplement. Both are from the compressed plant material found in certain mineral deposits in Utah. Other products derived from various clay's or de-salinated seawater I haven't tried. The ONE AND ONLY SOURCE tactic is the typical hype. Any small gas engine puts out a strong dc pulse at frequencies from 2000 to 8000 hz. This is what the Amazon Indians are reported to use for snakebite. I've no comment on Zapper tech. I have no experience with it. Somewhere I read an article debunking the idea of trying to zap venom with any kind of electrical discharge, but I couldn't tell you where. Best regards, John Surgeon Good round of questions. Read all that you can, believe none of it until you can verify it for yourself! Be well, Mike
Re:large glass containers??
Don't freak, folks! Remember Deb is talking about treating livestock! grin On 30 Jun 98 at 15:16, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: Can anyone help me with suggestions of where/what to buy? I need large glass container(s) to make CS in with the large(five gallon) capacity as per my plans which Cisco was kind enough to share with me. Many thanks Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Testing CS
I use Grapefruit seed extract tooth gel, nose drops, ear drops, and build up drops in my morning cocktail--juice plus all the liquid x\supplements. It is very good. I have herxed with it. I do not know if it is better that the CS. Seems the CS helps me more than the GsE but that is my body.\ Like CS you can take a dilute solution with you on vacation and put several drops in everything you drink and not get montezuma's revenge. Cs in higher ppm's will also do that. CS made at home is less expensive. However GsE is one of the first line things I do. Helped tremendously with sinus headaches--the nose drops just cause everything to drain out of yolur head. I also use CS for this. GcE won however in this instance. Oh and last summer I cured ring worm with it and the RB device I have. I think it is the GfE that did the deal on that Took about a month I think of daily application and covering with a band aid. Be great if these two would work synergistically wouldn't it. GsE is bacteriocidal and CS is not so get them coming and going. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Debbie McDonald wrote: As to the reference on the GSE page to arthritis, I have had a reoccurance of pain in my knee and foot and very bad pain again in my lower back. With so many things I am always changing it can be hard to tell what is what but I had quit taking the store bought CS I was using before I was to have surgery as I thought it was making my liver hurt. It was during this period after I quit using CS that the pains returned. I am thinking it was about eight weeks till it started but I did not log my symptoms so have no idea as I have worse brain fog tooG, again, a major bad symptom that I am now wondering if CS helped by killing whatever it was that is affecting my brain??. I have not taken much since(CS) and so will start again on some store bought (yuck) till I get up and running, husband is slow on thisG and I should think my results will be very scientific if my pain goes awayG. In my opinion, Silver Colloid should be taken only when needed--that is, when our immune system is not capable of fighting off germs. If we concentrate only on the antibiotic, we'll be doing what traditional doctors do, and never give our bodies a chance to heal itself. Take something that will clean your digestive tube. I heard New Vision's products are good -- Minerals, Pig Arthritis, dried juice of fruits and vegetables. Juice Plus helps, too (O.J. Simpson took it.) Also, Mannatech's products-- PLUS (a hormone support), and Ambrotose (cellular communicator). When I took plus, my fingers became more flexible. People with rheumatoid may benefit from Ambrotose because they may have abnormal carbohydrates. Also, immune supports are good, or a powdered meal supplement. Try different ones and see what works. Joyce. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract
robert.we...@ny.ubs.com wrote: Thanks to Debbie McDonald for the information on Grapefruit Seed Extract. First make note for those not familiar with this product, there is also a product called grape seed extract and they too use the initials GSE as opposed to what we are referring to here, which is grapeFRUIT seed extract so just to keep that straight in your mind, should you wish to try it. Thanks for calling them Bob. I, too, am going to call and ask questions and also see about using it on one or more of the horses at the same time as using CS for the protozoal illness they have. This will render my experiment with CS less usful to us, but, these are my horses so I have to fight fire with fire, this is assuming that I like the answers and do use the GSE. And, the cost will be a major factor. I will find other horses belonging to others to test with just CS and I will have the less affected horse tested by spinal tap first to get the definitive diagnosis. I am told that many horses being treated for this disease die from the kill off of gut bacteria(by allopathic meds of course) causing colic, which is a bad belly ache to simplify it for the non horsey folks on this list. That is why I was so very encouraged by Jim's potential findings regarding this aspect of CS use. Wish we knew for sure. I have to get the spinal tap done before we start anything so not sure of my time frame, dealing with others to transport, picking what will hopefully be a competent vet to do the procedure(scarey for me) etc. As to the reference on the GSE page to arthritis, I have had a reoccurance of pain in my knee and foot and very bad pain again in my lower back. With so many things I am always changing it can be hard to tell what is what but I had quit taking the store bought CS I was using before I was to have surgery as I thought it was making my liver hurt. It was during this period after I quit using CS that the pains returned. I am thinking it was about eight weeks till it started but I did not log my symptoms so have no idea as I have worse brain fog tooG, again, a major bad symptom that I am now wondering if CS helped by killing whatever it was that is affecting my brain??. I have not taken much since(CS) and so will start again on some store bought (yuck) till I get up and running, husband is slow on thisG and I should think my results will be very scientific if my pain goes awayG. I have more CS plans as regards treating my dogs should they test positive for any of the tick borne illnesses that are prevalent here in Texas. We've had lots of hundred+ degree days here with more on the way. You all(put texas twang on thatG) are invited over to haul hay any time you want to comeG. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS in the intestine
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:54:46 -0800 To:silver-list@eskimo.com From: Susan M. Yensen syen...@clearwater.net Subject: CS in the intestine Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, CS that is ingested and absorbed from the stomach will indeed reach the intestines via the blood stream. If CS is absorbed from the stomach, it then reaches the blood stream and is carried throughout the body. The Villi in the intestine are always passing things back and forth, selectively in a more or less healthy body. We do not know if CS is going through the villi in the intestine, but it would be reasonable at this time to say that it does as the villi are not as selective as say other barriers like the brain, if the particle size is small enough. CS is an undifferentiating antiseptic solution that can be made in different strengths called in this case parts per million. The particle size of the colloid in solution depends on the way it is made and can vary widely. The smaller the particle size the better perfusion. A red blood cell is 7mm large. The CS we are trying to make is 0.015mm large or so. To find this out you must send your solution away to be tested. Several labs have been mentioned here. There is a water quality lab in every state--several. They can generally do this work. Weight is a factor is dosing this. Most of us make CS without salt. Some use a starter from a previous batch. Most have found that CS made in exactly the same way each time is nearly the same in ppm and particle size. So far none of us is blue. Cs is great for sensitive teeth and then swallow it and in a week or so you will become uncomfortable and this is the herxheimer reaction--that is of course if you have yeast or other microbes that leave a toxin when they die. On the bright side, I just looked out and saw a mother black bear with her baby cub going for the raspberry patch. She is a young mother, a yearling most likely. Guess the big guy that got the fruit last year was pretty busy! She doesn't like it when you go out and threaten her with her baby--he is a doll!! About the size of a young husky dog. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan Susan, Just don't get between the momma bear and her cub! She will get you if you do. But, you probably already know that. Take care and God Bless you! Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: yogurt and CS, AGAIN!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:21:18 -0800 To:silver-list@eskimo.com From: Susan M. Yensen syen...@clearwater.net Subject: Re: yogurt and CS, AGAIN! Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Jim, I'm glad you did this experiment and continue to try things like this for those of us who cannot. CS is NOT an antibiotic and is only touted as that by hype. Anything one reads about CS and there isn't muchscience on it says it is an anti infective or antiseptic, not an antibiotic and there is a large difference in the language. For instance bacteriostatic vs bacteriocidal, completely different actions in the body with fdifferent results. Fungistatic and Fungicidal are so different also. Thanks for the work! Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan Your Welcome!!! Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Testing CS
From: robert.we...@ny.ubs.com Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 17:11:35 -0400 Subject: Testing CS To:silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com I use a Citricidal product which is Grapefruit Seed Extract. I have know about these products for some time now, and I believe them to do wonderful things. I would not hesitate to use them to kill pathogens. They have been known to kill out yeast infections in the body, and are considered a main line product for yeast problems. Just my 2 cents on the subject. Jim Einert, N.D. Thanks to Debbie McDonald for the information on Grapefruit Seed Extract. I quickly called the company and asked if it would be OK to post their add since anything that works on the bacteria that affect us or our loved ones is of interst. Sam Allen (sal...@nutriteam.com) gave me permission to copy the test results from their web page for posting on the list. Since it comes directly from their web page, you should consider it advertising, but it has interesting information. For example, it claims to be on average 10 times more effective than CS against some of the pathogens tested. Please note that although I am passing the information along I do not know enough about it to have an opinion. Therefore, please do not consider this endorsement in any way. I will follow up with a separate comment in another message. Bob Wells From: http://www.nutriteam.com/study.htm Test Results, Lab Studies Promote Use of GSE! In November of 1994, the Southern Research Institute completed a study that compared grapefruit extract as a disinfectant to a leading commercial disi nfectant. The following pathogens were involved in the test: Staphylococcus aureus Streptococcus pyrogenes Streptococcus fecalis Streptococcus pneumonia Klebsiella pheumonia Proteus vulgaris Pseudomonas aeruginosa Salmonella choleraesuis Escherichia coli Candida albicans Trichophyton mentagrophytes Herpes simplex virus type 1 Influenza virus type A2 The study concluded that grapefruit extract was twice as effective as the c ommercial formula for inhibiting the above microorganisms. Similiar results were obtained when grapefruit extract was compared wit h isopropyl alcohol, which is often the disinfectant of choice in hospitals . The most impressive comparisons were between grapefruit extract and chl orine bleach, and colloidal silver. Bio Research Laboratories of Redmond, Washington, USA, tested GSE, a commercial chlorine bleach, and colloidal si lver against Candida albicans, Staphylococcus aureus, Salmonella typhi, Streptococcus faecium, and E. coli. Again, grapefruit extract proved super ior, the test report concluding: All microorganisms tested were inhibited with moderate levels of GSE l iquid disinfectant. High levels of chlorine bleach inhibited the test organisms, but moderate levels were not effective. Because the GSE li quid was inhibitory at much lower levels, it may be assumed that it is ten to one hundred times more effective than chlorine against the organisms u sed in this study. On average, GSE proved to be ten times more effective than the colloidal silver. The Arthritis Connection Researchers have long postulated that some forms of arthritis, especially r heumatoid arthritis, may be related to bacterial strep infection. New evidence suggests that several other bacteria may also be implicated, two o f which are Proteus vulgaris and Klebsiella pneumonia. Both of these are commonly found in the digestive tract. Here's the connection: The research suggests that antibodies are produced to neutralize antig ens produced by bacteria. These antibody-antigen complexes may be absorbed through the intestinal lining and thus enter the blood stream. Normally, these complexes are filtered by the liver, kidneys, and lymphatic systems, but in some individuals, a serious complication can arise. With Klebsiella pneumonia, this reaction usually occurs in the spinal column. A debilitating condition known as ankylosing spodolytis may develop, resulting in immobilization of segments of the spinal column, resulting in drastic loss of flexibility and consequent problems. In the case of Proteus vulgaris complexes, inflammatory responses can occur in any joint. Left unchecked, this can produce the swelling, pain, deformity, and other signs of rheumatoid arthritis. In some patients who are using GSE to reduce symptoms of Candida or dysente ry, there has been a marked improvement in arthritis symptoms. And while relief may have been brought about by a reduction in C andida yeast colonization, it is very likely that the reduction in population of other, alllergy-causing bacteria is also responsible for the improvement. It should also be noted
Re: CS Experiments on bacteria, yogurt, milk, etc
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:56:54 -0400 From: Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net Reply-to: dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Experiments on bacteria, yogurt, milk, etc Bob, You are absolutely correct. The situation is even even worse than you describe though. I don't believe that people on the list are even talking about the same substance half the time. Is CS clear? Is it golden? How many microns in size will pass into the blood steam? What is the concentration of biologically active CS? Is it 5 ppm or 150 ppm? Is it the same if produced by AC or DC currents? Etc. etc. etc. Hi Doug, I seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest! That is great. My beginnings here at looking at CS and bacteria is the start of what needs to be a lot of different research by a lot of different people. We do need to research CS as much as possible, so we have an idea of why it works and exactly what it does. But remember, things work not because we understand them. It really doesn't matter if we know or not as long as it works. I don't know how this computer I am using works, but it doesn't keep me from useing it and getting the benefits from it. I am personally convinced that there is indeed substantial beneficial effects from the use of CS and I too am frustrated at the lack of scientific understanding regarding its nature and effects. Controlled laboratory study is the only way this will come about. Until that is done CS should rightly be thought of as a tonic with all the ambiguity that is implied in its use and effects. It is only after the substance itself is defined, its behavior and effects predictable, and its mechanism at least somewhat formulated based on scientific experimentation that it should approach the status of a medicine. I would just as soon CS not have a status of medicine. That is not the reason for my research. I am just seeking answers to many questions. If it becomes a researched medicine, then it will be more controlled, and maybe even taken away, so lets just let that part of it alone! God Bless you all! Jim Einert, N.D. Best wishes to all, Doug. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Silver levels in Feces
I am the man that had the silver levels in feces as tested by Biospectron. The PPM was 4.324, which when compared to 'normal' of .016 PPM makes the percent difference an astounding 26,925% above normal!! I think that the colloid I was making and taking for the previous 2-3 month, was about 10-20PPM with a teaspoon each morning and evening, but have not had it checked, so it does look like 'input=output == no storage. Dan Smith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
