Re: OT: Liver Cleanse
Sandy and all-- Thanks and very sorry, I mistyped a q instead of a g. Here is the correct address for liver cleanse recipe: http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver/txt. Whitney Collins > >The email address given below-for Brian McInturf- for info on liver flushes >is incorrect. >Sandy > > >san...@better.net > > >-- >> From: Philip Collins >> -Original Message- >> From: Frank Matzka >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM >> Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes >> >> >> >Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Standardizing CS Making Methodology
particle size testing: For particle size testing with electron microscope, contact: EMS Laboratories, 117 West Bellevue Drive, Pasadena, CA 91105 (818) 568-4065 Price will be under $200 per sample. from: A Closer Look At Colloidal Silver (1997) By Peter A. Lindemann http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm At 06:07 PM 7-14-98 -0700, Joyce wrote: > > Before we test the silver, the particle size should first > be established, since it is the size that determines its > colloidal nature and effectiveness. (Sota's instrument > makes colloidal silver 0.005 - 0.015 microns in size, so > our colloidal silver tested probably should be less than > 0.015 microns). Otherwise, money might be wasted testing > a product which might be of inferior quality. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: another reason to use CS
Joyce, The info I have indicates that some atherosclerosis may be caused by elevated homocysteine. This may be corrected by increasing intake of folic acid and vitamins B6 and B12. However, this particular problem is said to be independent of cholesterol levels or cholesterol buildup. --Bill At 05:36 PM 7-14-98 -0700, Joyce wrote: > > I heard that it is the lac of vitamins (e.g. Folic Acid) that > causes cholesterol buildup. Adding this to your diet helps > cut down heart attacks by 50%. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
A Simple CS Generator?
Greetings, We are new to this list and new to CS generators. We have directions for a simple CS generator using batteries. We are homesteaders and are wanting to have CS for the antibiotic and general healing properties. Are there any sites that have information on CS? Thank You for all your information, Sharon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Standardizing CS Making Methodology
Before we test the silver, the particle size should first be established, since it is the size that determines its colloidal nature and effectiveness. (Sota's instrument makes colloidal silver 0.005 - 0.015 microns in size, so our colloidal silver tested probably should be less than 0.015 microns). Otherwise, money might be wasted testing a product which might be of inferior quality. Regards, Joyce On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Robert L. Wells wrote: > On July 11 Mike Devour wrote his thoughts suggesting > collaboration on standardizing our manufacture and testing > of CS so that we can agree on a specific product to test. > Since I rarely do e-mail on the weekend, I've gotten a bit > behind, but I'm fully in agreement with Mike on this. > Perhaps by the time I finish reading the last 3 days of > messages, I'll have a clearer idea how Mike's suggestion was > received by the group. > > Bob Wells > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: another reason to use CS
I heard that it is the lac of vitamins (e.g. Folic Acid) that causes cholesterol buildup. Adding this to your diet helps cut down heart attacks by 50%. Ty to get a whole food supplement (e.g. dried or fresh juices of herbs, fruits, vegetables, grains, etc.); or go to Lorraine's site: http://www.drday.com/ and buy her video and her product (barley greens and algae, etc.) to get you started. Her 85-year-old mom got off medical drugs of about 35 years' duration after she started the diet. :) Joyce On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Bill Kingsbury wrote: > From: Reid Smith > To: rife-l...@eskimo.com > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 > Subj: interesting info - ATHEROSCLEROSIS > > Got high cholesterol maybe there is a reason!! > The body is retaining it to plug holes in the arterys. > === > > > ATHEROSCLEROSIS > > How Cholesterol Plaque is Formed > > Until recently, the process of atherosclerosis had many unanswered > questions: How is it that some people with high cholesterol levels > never develop atherosclerosis? Why does one artery fill with > cholesterol plaque while another remains free of disease? > Fortunately, the latest clinical research has begun to lift the > veil of mystery surrounding atherosclerosis. > > Current studies indicate that atherosclerosis begins with a viral > or bacterial infection (or other injury) of the artery. Recent > reports point to an obscure germ called Chlamydia pneumoniae as the > likely bacterial culprit. In fact, one study found that 79% of the > specimens from patients undergoing coronary atherectomy (i.e., the > removal of cholesterol plaque from diseased coronary arteries) > tested positive for Chlamydia. > > Once the artery is infected, the inner lining becomes inflamed -- > it swells and blisters, leaking enzymes and other chemicals into > the blood stream. The body attempts to heal this damage by > depositing cholesterol and a thin layer of congealed blood over the > infected site. Unfortunately, once the infection has run its > course, the body has no way to remove the cholesterol plaque that > has built up. This is because the layer of congealed blood prevents > chemical agents in the blood stream from reaching the cholesterol > and re-dissolving it. > > This scenario explains why a person's cholesterol level may be high > and yet atherosclerosis doesn't form; the artery has to suffer > viral or bacterial damage first, and then cholesterol is deposited. > > Take Care > > Reid > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Apologies for all the nois
>John and Valerie Surgeon wrote: >> >> WOULD VOLL ELECTRODERMAL TESTS OR DR. HULDA CLARK'S SYNCROMETER BE OF HELP >> HERE? >> Jason responded > >Are you aware that typing in all upper case letters is considered >yelling? > >Regards, > > >Jason Sorry, Jason, and all other list readers. I just found out about this in signing up for another list.[I think I've mailbombed myself!]. I was trying to set off my replies from the thread. I've had some trouble following who said what to who and when. The double and single greater thans get mixed up sometimes, and my ISP seems to download my messages kind of mixed up, so a reply can come in before the original message. I get brain fog over this kind of easily. Any suggestions? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Getting organized in the health struggle
>> From: John and Valerie Surgeon From: jein...@troi.csw.net >John, > Everything you are doing seems to be going in the right directions. >But I would like to suggest some other items you might like to try >and that might help you. > 1st, I would suggest you do coffee enemas in the mornings and maybe >a regular enema at night. > Also, to support your liver I would suggest you take milk thistle as >it will help you rebuild the liver. Also, you might want to add a >good enzyme to your meals and between meals. > There are other things you could do, but I think that would be where >I would start if it were me. Something that I just remembered from YEARS ago that an OLD ND told me for energy. When you get up in the morning eat one can of peaches... I had completely forgotten about it and remember trying it after he told me and it worked. Now I guess it's time for me to go to the store to get some peaches. :} Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
>Reid Smith wrote: >>I learned something about that a little while back. Don't guzzle the >> water, sip it all day long and I also take 2 asperins 3-4 times a day. >> I don't know exactly what the difference is but sipping water works >> better for me than drinking a glass full every so often. > >I've heard that when you guzzle the water, it just flushes the kidneys. >When you sip the water, it trickles into the liver, where it can then be >delivered to the rest of the body. Thank you I was wondering what was happening. That could explain it all. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
another reason to use CS
From: Reid Smith To: rife-l...@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 Subj: interesting info - ATHEROSCLEROSIS Got high cholesterol maybe there is a reason!! The body is retaining it to plug holes in the arterys. === ATHEROSCLEROSIS How Cholesterol Plaque is Formed Until recently, the process of atherosclerosis had many unanswered questions: How is it that some people with high cholesterol levels never develop atherosclerosis? Why does one artery fill with cholesterol plaque while another remains free of disease? Fortunately, the latest clinical research has begun to lift the veil of mystery surrounding atherosclerosis. Current studies indicate that atherosclerosis begins with a viral or bacterial infection (or other injury) of the artery. Recent reports point to an obscure germ called Chlamydia pneumoniae as the likely bacterial culprit. In fact, one study found that 79% of the specimens from patients undergoing coronary atherectomy (i.e., the removal of cholesterol plaque from diseased coronary arteries) tested positive for Chlamydia. Once the artery is infected, the inner lining becomes inflamed -- it swells and blisters, leaking enzymes and other chemicals into the blood stream. The body attempts to heal this damage by depositing cholesterol and a thin layer of congealed blood over the infected site. Unfortunately, once the infection has run its course, the body has no way to remove the cholesterol plaque that has built up. This is because the layer of congealed blood prevents chemical agents in the blood stream from reaching the cholesterol and re-dissolving it. This scenario explains why a person's cholesterol level may be high and yet atherosclerosis doesn't form; the artery has to suffer viral or bacterial damage first, and then cholesterol is deposited. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: UPDATE
likow...@earthlink.net wrote: > > > By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my > disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his > "doctor" - the same "doctor" I trusted for most of my years, > Dameon > Have you told your doctor about CS Dameon? Did you friend try CS? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: An observation/diagram...
The particle size is most important--from what I've read, it should be about 0.005 to 0.010 microns?? What is the silver size of your generator? > > -Original Message- > From: Bruce K. Stenulson > To: George Martin ; silver-list@eskimo.com > > Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: An observation... > > > >George Martin wrote: > >> > >> Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches > >> of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at > >> once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. > >> What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. > > > >> Regards, > >> George Martin > >> > > > >George, I read with interestyour email. I also have worked with less > >than the 28-36 volts commonly recommended, and commonly run at 15 volts > >with no current limiting, so thatr I can monitor the increasing current > >to determine the cutoff. > > > >I also use a pulsed DC, rather than a constat current. My theory is that > >by disrupting the current flow frequently (20KHz) that the tendancy for > >silver ions to be produced in larger'clumps' is less likely. Since I > >don't have access to a microscope to verify this, and financial > >resources need to be directed elswhere for now, this is still in the > >unproven "theory" stage. > > > >I use 8mA at 15 volts (meter averaged reading) as my cutoff, in hot > >distilled water, using 1/4 of a previous batch as a 'starter'. (Cuyrrent > >is directly related to electrode geometry, and is therefore relative to > >my setup: 3-1/4" wetted length, 14ga, 1/2" apart in an 8 oz container. I > >don't have occasion to use more than ~6 ounces per week to 10 days, so I > >don't make larger batches, preferring instead to make a new batch as I > >get down to the 1/4 level - using it to "start" my next batch. > > > >Even at the 120mW power level (8mA at 15 volts) I am just below where > >the product produced may begin to get a bit "cloudy" - seems that up to > >that current level, the resulting product is a very clear, deep golden > >yellow. At above 10 mA, however, a slight silvery hazyness begins to be > >detectable. > > > >Since the TDS1 reads 20PPM consistantly when the generating process is > >stopped at the 8mA reading at 15 volts, I have found it unnecessary to > >run beyond this point. > > > >While the silver "sludge" builds up on the negatively charged electrode > >(cathode), if the distilled water tests 000 or 001 on the TDS1 before > >starting, no precipitation is observed. > > > >Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 > >timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be > >less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in > >power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will > >tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early > >experimenting. > > > >If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website > >for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough > >interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for > >around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available > >fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be > >expensive! > > > >Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it > >happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit > >on the 'back burner' for a while longer... > > > >Be Well! > > > >Bruce K. Stenulson > >Applied Technology > >The Alternate Health Approaches Forum > >http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
My diskette has a hangup!
>>if you still can't get the info off your disk-(having had this problem a >>number of times) try to slide the case cover and revolve the center hub >>slightly, see if it works, try a number of times- [[[Thanks, Pat. I just tried it, and noticed that the disk seems to hang up after a partial rotation. Is that the way it's supposed to act?. I'd like to correct this without a disk doctor type of hassle. By the way, several years ago I had the FAT on a older hard drive go bad. PC Doctor took care of it very nicely, then it went again. This time I tried Norton, and it wouldn't do anything. PC Doctor was considered at that time to be hot stuff, and the price was the same. Thanks to all for the bailout. I'm trying the extra parentheses to set off my response. Just subscribed to a list which advised me to not reply in all caps-it's bad form, impolite, jolly bad show and all that. Apologies to all out there. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
MCT update
The tentative target is $400.00 based on Bob Well's original contact. This number will get more specific as we get test specs and pricing from the labs. After the logistics are worked out, a mailing address will be provided and notification will be made to everyone. Just a little more and we'll be there. (I feel like I'm starting to sound like those guys on the annual NPR beg-athon) . For now the fund stands as follows: Jerry WineBrenner win...@aol.com - $20.00 Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com - $20.00 D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net - $10.00 Fidget fid...@warwick.net - $10.00 Robert Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com - $50.00 George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org- $20.00 W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net - $10.00 Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net - $10.00 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net - $20.00 Dameon likow...@earthlink.net - $20.00 Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com - $20.00 George george.bere...@nashville.com- $20.00 George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp- $50.00 Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net - $50.00 ___ Total to Date $ 330.00 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: An observation/diagram...
Yes Bruce, I'm interested, too. Please post a circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. --Bill At 10:26 AM 7-14-98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Bruce, > >Please post the circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. I'm >interested. > >Be well, >- >Christian von Wechmar >Stellenbosch, South Africa >- > >-Original Message- >From: Bruce K. Stenulson >To: George Martin ; silver-list@eskimo.com > >Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM >Subject: Re: An observation... > >(snip) >>Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 >>timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be >>less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in >>power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will >>tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early >>experimenting. >> >>If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website >>for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough >>interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for >>around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available >>fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be >>expensive! >> >>Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it >>happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit >>on the 'back burner' for a while longer... >> >>Be Well! >> >>Bruce K. Stenulson >>Applied Technology >>The Alternate Health Approaches Forum >>http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html >> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR
The HVAC CS machine called the Mother Lode is manufactured by Dr. Ripley - drrip...@rconnect.com The machine can be seen at: http://www.register.com/motherlode/ Professional Model $915.00 The Commercial Motherlode $1050.00 (www prices: 6-19-98) The claims below are from: http://www.register.com/motherlode/p082.htm High Voltage AC Colloidal Silver The high voltage method of making colloidal silver that we have developed is the most advanced technology for making colloidal silver. High Voltage AC Colloidal Silver has the following characteristics. 1. No oxidation residues which causes colloidal silver to have a gray or yellow color. 2. Clear in color even at high concentrations (ppm). 3. The silver doesn't settle out as is seen with the older DC method of making colloidal silver. 4. Long storage life. 5. No need for filtering. 6. Therapeutically more effective than DC colloidal silver. HVAC colloidal silver is available from ACS in 32 oz. and 1 gallon containers. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: information retrieval from damaged diskette
At 10:12 AM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >John: > > The first thing I would do is find someone who has Norton's Disk Doctor >and try to fix the disc. >Josh > > >At 12:26 AM 7/14/98, you wrote: >>Help! I keep a condensed record of the postings to the list on a diskette. >>I'm getting a Drive a diskette damaged message, and I think I may have >>lost everything! THANKS FOR ALL THE ASSISTS. SO FAR, NORTON SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY FIX. MY SYSTEM IS A WINDOWS 3.1, MY WP IS WORKS 3.0 FOR WINDOWS, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING STATE OF THE ART HERE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THE WRITE WP [I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND USE WRITE INSTEAD OF WORKS] JUST ISN'T HANDLING THE FILE-IT'S PRETTY BIG. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
lyme's, abx vs cs
Hi All, I've been content to sit in my lurker's corner, practically since the inception of this list---just learning! But yesterday--I noticed a "funny" spot on my arm; circular, red, with a center that looks like a tiny bite. Does this sound like the "bull's eye rash" to you experienced 'lymer's'? I have deer on my property, a dog, and I've spent the last few days clearing out overgrown brush and vines. I called the Dr this morning and am heading there this aft for a dx. Optimistically I'm believing that it's just a bite from some insect species---very itchy, but not like any mosquito bite I've ever had. But, my burning question here, knowing what you all know now-would you skip the abx and just use CS? If anybody sees this post in the next 3 hrs (it's almost 11 AM est), I'd love to get your thoughts before I see the doc. Thanks, Sharon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: An observation/diagram...
Hi Bruce, Please post the circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. I'm interested. Be well, - Christian von Wechmar Stellenbosch, South Africa - -Original Message- From: Bruce K. Stenulson To: George Martin ; silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: Re: An observation... >George Martin wrote: >> >> Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches >> of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at >> once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. >> What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. > >> Regards, >> George Martin >> > >George, I read with interestyour email. I also have worked with less >than the 28-36 volts commonly recommended, and commonly run at 15 volts >with no current limiting, so thatr I can monitor the increasing current >to determine the cutoff. > >I also use a pulsed DC, rather than a constat current. My theory is that >by disrupting the current flow frequently (20KHz) that the tendancy for >silver ions to be produced in larger'clumps' is less likely. Since I >don't have access to a microscope to verify this, and financial >resources need to be directed elswhere for now, this is still in the >unproven "theory" stage. > >I use 8mA at 15 volts (meter averaged reading) as my cutoff, in hot >distilled water, using 1/4 of a previous batch as a 'starter'. (Cuyrrent >is directly related to electrode geometry, and is therefore relative to >my setup: 3-1/4" wetted length, 14ga, 1/2" apart in an 8 oz container. I >don't have occasion to use more than ~6 ounces per week to 10 days, so I >don't make larger batches, preferring instead to make a new batch as I >get down to the 1/4 level - using it to "start" my next batch. > >Even at the 120mW power level (8mA at 15 volts) I am just below where >the product produced may begin to get a bit "cloudy" - seems that up to >that current level, the resulting product is a very clear, deep golden >yellow. At above 10 mA, however, a slight silvery hazyness begins to be >detectable. > >Since the TDS1 reads 20PPM consistantly when the generating process is >stopped at the 8mA reading at 15 volts, I have found it unnecessary to >run beyond this point. > >While the silver "sludge" builds up on the negatively charged electrode >(cathode), if the distilled water tests 000 or 001 on the TDS1 before >starting, no precipitation is observed. > >Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 >timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be >less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in >power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will >tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early >experimenting. > >If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website >for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough >interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for >around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available >fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be >expensive! > >Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it >happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit >on the 'back burner' for a while longer... > >Be Well! > >Bruce K. Stenulson >Applied Technology >The Alternate Health Approaches Forum >http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: NOTICE
Wil, How ironic life is sometimes. I've spent the last two evenings helping a friend search for her lost dog in the woods. Needless to say, she is quite distraught. Then I came home, checked my email, and the first post I read is your's about the passing of your friend. My heartfelt condolences Wil. A loss like that is always painful. I am very sorry. Out of your grief though, your's and Chuck's loving spirits shine the Light on us all. I am humbled. Blessings on you both. Doug. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: An observation...
On 14 Jul 98 at 19:14, Peter wrote: > I saw a clever use of a 5v regulator 7805 to limit current to 20mA > in a cs circuit. ... I see no reason why anyone couldn't use a 1k > resistor in exactly the same manner to limit circuit current to > 5mA. Exactly, Pete. This sort of current limiter is a standard application of voltage regulator chips. You'll find a circuit for it in just about every data book listing. We all worry about voltage, but the real actor in this process is the flow of current. We will need to do some pretty detailed studies of the behavior of the system in terms of particle size and production rates vs. electrode geometries and current density. Then we'll know what kind of circuit or setup will work the best. Even if we end up re-inventing the wheel and discover that the "best" arrangement is already the most popular, the whole process will be out in the open and documented on the web for everyone to see. That will be a good thing. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: information retrieval from damaged diskette
John and Valerie Surgeon wrote: > > Help! I keep a condensed record of the postings to the list on a diskette. > I'm getting a Drive a diskette damaged message, and I think I may have > lost everything! > > Any way to get this straightened out? > > Also, I would like to condense messages to a word processor document and > keep the html stuff to go to websites, but so far all I can do is copy the > URLs into the Goto line of Netscape. I have Eudora Lite. > > Appreciate any help out there. I know these lists are rife with computer > expertise. > > John Surgeon > > -- To recover the data on your damaged diskette you might try getting a copy of the Norton Utilities. There are tools on there specifically to deal with corrupted media. DO NOT try to read or write the disk anymore until you have the recovery utility in hand. You may damage it even more. Good luck. Doug. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Standardizing CS Making Methodology
On July 11 Mike Devour wrote his thoughts suggesting collaboration on standardizing our manufacture and testing of CS so that we can agree on a specific product to test. Since I rarely do e-mail on the weekend, I've gotten a bit behind, but I'm fully in agreement with Mike on this. Perhaps by the time I finish reading the last 3 days of messages, I'll have a clearer idea how Mike's suggestion was received by the group. Bob Wells
Re: Getting organized in the health struggle
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:23:12 > To:silver-list@eskimo.com, l...@oxytherapy.com > From: John and Valerie Surgeon > Subject: Getting organized in the health struggle > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com John, Everything you are doing seems to be going in the right directions. But I would like to suggest some other items you might like to try and that might help you. 1st, I would suggest you do coffee enemas in the mornings and maybe a regular enema at night. Also, to support your liver I would suggest you take milk thistle as it will help you rebuild the liver. Also, you might want to add a good enzyme to your meals and between meals. There are other things you could do, but I think that would be where I would start if it were me. Hope this helps. Take Care! Jim Einert, N.D. > I am trying to address health issues in light of my research over the last > year. > > Some facts > > 48 year old obese male, working at light to moderate execise job[high > stress]. bicycle commuting 15mi./week on flat roads. Other exercise-chores > around house, second job. On feet constantly at work as nursing aide, > usually working 60+hours. Lost about 30 lbs. during the past three years, > still about 50 lbs. overweight. > > History of overuse of antibiotics-acne treatment in teens. Possible candida? > History of bed confinement at age 6-seven months due to suspicion of > rheumatic fever, heart murmur. Diagnosis never confirmed. Possible > parasite problems? > urinary tract pain/bleeding, prostatitis while in military. > stress edema in ankles while in basic training. > major swimmer's ear while stationed in Western Washington[fungal problems] > current edema, sore areas 1-3 in. diameter on both ankles. sores may be > due to rubbing while wearing rubber work boots, have not healed in 3 years. > Possible CHF, kidney problems, lymph system trouble? > ongoing chest congestion, various sinus/flu symptoms > Extreme dandruff, on-going non healing sores on scalp > > Alternate health options tried- > > Hulda Clark zapper, tried various combinations of electrodes, electrode > placement, found some help with minor problems, less dependence on pain > relievers, more freedom from flu type symptom. Used some of Dr. Clark's > recommendations, avoided softdrinks, boiled milk products. Used borax for > body cleanse per Dr. Clark, made acid rinse with lemon peel, nutribiotic gel. > Now using Rexall fiber drink product for heart benefits > Discovered oxytherapy[rejected 20+yrs. ago when advised of "free radicals"} > Found a magazine published by Dr. Douglass, describing oxytherapy w/iv > drips, uv light blood oxygenation or ozonation. > Found information on Brian McInturf's site regarding oxygenation of blood > through zapping. > During same time, found information on Fred Warner's site and Thomas > Miller's site regarding the blood electrification/oxygenation processes of > Dr. Bob Beck. > Noted differences of application from Dr. Clark's zapper[pulsed dc 30 khz > skin effect vs. higher voltage low freq. fullwave ac] > Purchased food grade h202, worked up to 25 drops/large amounts of h20, at > least twice daily. Noticed less problem with chest congestion, easier > breathing, less fatigue, better sinus, little to no flu type problems. > Experimented with GfSE, cs combinations. Ignored zapping-the h202 seemed > to cover the same bases, hit the chest gunch problem better. Started using > less amounts of h202(10 drops 2xd/4oz. distilled h20)with swishnswallow > method. > Tried to remember deep breathing type exercises. Noted discomfort in lower > chest, coughing when trying morning exercises. > > More back to basics research > EWOT[Exercise with oxygen therapy]per Dr. Douglass-innovate > Better breathing[breathing exercises, better breathing while sleeping] > Improve circulation[magnets whie sleeping?] > Reduce edema-castor oil packs? I have some problems with this > reliable cs production > > This is to help me organize my thinking and set priorities. This stuff is > still tough to put into action. I sense some lifting of the brain fog, > more coherence, more self-discipline. Communication helps-seeing others > struggle and make headway, as well as finding useful answers. I am trying > to put the KISS principle into action here-Keep It Simple and Survive. > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-re
Re: An observation...
Bill and intrepid colloiders, I saw a clever use of a 5v regulator 7805 to limit current to 20mA in a cs circuit.Basically,it had input connected to the +ve(36v?),and the output through a 250 ohm resistor to the gnd terminal.This terminal then connected to the silver electrode. So,the 5v regulator was limiting the cs generating circuit-a series limiter if you like. I see no reason why anyone couldn't use a 1k resistor in exactly the same manner to limit circuit current to 5mA.Info courtesy Frank Matzka. petemc -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, 14 July 1998 9:22 Subject: Re: An observation... > >Chuck, > >Thanks for clarifying the purposes of the bulb. The basic >question, however, is still looking for an answer: > >>> Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? >>> (Any references or ideas appreciated.) > >As Mike wrote: > >>> ...it makes sense to try current limiting at something below >>> that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. >>> That's what I would try. >>> >>> I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort >>> would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study >>> the process. > >Any clues ? > >--Bill > > >At 11:21 AM 7-13-98 -0700, Chuck wrote: >> >>This is Marsha's husband replying. My name is Chuck Hallett and my >>profession is Electrical Engineering. I am writing to hopefully describe >>the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit. >> >>The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the >>electrodes touch each other (short circuit). >> >>When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the >>batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the >>batteries and the connecting wires. Electrical Current generates heat. >>Lots of current generates lots of heat. Try this, take a single >nine volt >>battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare >alligator clip >>lead to each terminal. You should notice the wire getting anything from >>warm to hot enough to melt the insulation. >> >>The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable >amount of >>current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver >>process will use. >> >>If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each) >>will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones. At worst >the heat >>generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire. >> >>Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp? Answer: Economies of supply. >> >>28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires >>together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on >what is >>now the equivalent of a flashlight. If a smaller voltage bulb >were used, >>it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn >out. Then >>it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced >>with a new bulb. >> >>40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the >circuit and >>more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway). >>Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps >come in >>standard sizes. You can get different sizes which would work, but >they are >>harder to get and much more expensive. >> >>Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator. >> >>The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only >>there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning >>generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes >directly to >>the batteries. You just run the risk of running your batteries down >>quickly. If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing >>combustible is near the batteries & wire, or don't do it. >> >>I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation. Direct all >>flames to me at w7...@usa.net > >>-Original Message- >>From: Bill Kingsbury >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM >>Subject: Re: An observation... >> >> >>> >>>I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to >>>40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if >>>smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size. >>> >>>George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem >>>to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc). >>> >>>Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? >>>(Any references or ideas appreciated.) >>> >>>Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day >>>(in a dark place) ? >>> >>>--Bill >>> >>> >>> >>>At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote: On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote: > When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma > I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS > 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was > also a rather th
Getting organized in the health struggle
I am trying to address health issues in light of my research over the last year. Some facts 48 year old obese male, working at light to moderate execise job[high stress]. bicycle commuting 15mi./week on flat roads. Other exercise-chores around house, second job. On feet constantly at work as nursing aide, usually working 60+hours. Lost about 30 lbs. during the past three years, still about 50 lbs. overweight. History of overuse of antibiotics-acne treatment in teens. Possible candida? History of bed confinement at age 6-seven months due to suspicion of rheumatic fever, heart murmur. Diagnosis never confirmed. Possible parasite problems? urinary tract pain/bleeding, prostatitis while in military. stress edema in ankles while in basic training. major swimmer's ear while stationed in Western Washington[fungal problems] current edema, sore areas 1-3 in. diameter on both ankles. sores may be due to rubbing while wearing rubber work boots, have not healed in 3 years. Possible CHF, kidney problems, lymph system trouble? ongoing chest congestion, various sinus/flu symptoms Extreme dandruff, on-going non healing sores on scalp Alternate health options tried- Hulda Clark zapper, tried various combinations of electrodes, electrode placement, found some help with minor problems, less dependence on pain relievers, more freedom from flu type symptom. Used some of Dr. Clark's recommendations, avoided softdrinks, boiled milk products. Used borax for body cleanse per Dr. Clark, made acid rinse with lemon peel, nutribiotic gel. Now using Rexall fiber drink product for heart benefits Discovered oxytherapy[rejected 20+yrs. ago when advised of "free radicals"} Found a magazine published by Dr. Douglass, describing oxytherapy w/iv drips, uv light blood oxygenation or ozonation. Found information on Brian McInturf's site regarding oxygenation of blood through zapping. During same time, found information on Fred Warner's site and Thomas Miller's site regarding the blood electrification/oxygenation processes of Dr. Bob Beck. Noted differences of application from Dr. Clark's zapper[pulsed dc 30 khz skin effect vs. higher voltage low freq. fullwave ac] Purchased food grade h202, worked up to 25 drops/large amounts of h20, at least twice daily. Noticed less problem with chest congestion, easier breathing, less fatigue, better sinus, little to no flu type problems. Experimented with GfSE, cs combinations. Ignored zapping-the h202 seemed to cover the same bases, hit the chest gunch problem better. Started using less amounts of h202(10 drops 2xd/4oz. distilled h20)with swishnswallow method. Tried to remember deep breathing type exercises. Noted discomfort in lower chest, coughing when trying morning exercises. More back to basics research EWOT[Exercise with oxygen therapy]per Dr. Douglass-innovate Better breathing[breathing exercises, better breathing while sleeping] Improve circulation[magnets whie sleeping?] Reduce edema-castor oil packs? I have some problems with this reliable cs production This is to help me organize my thinking and set priorities. This stuff is still tough to put into action. I sense some lifting of the brain fog, more coherence, more self-discipline. Communication helps-seeing others struggle and make headway, as well as finding useful answers. I am trying to put the KISS principle into action here-Keep It Simple and Survive. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
information retrieval from damaged diskette
Help! I keep a condensed record of the postings to the list on a diskette. I'm getting a Drive a diskette damaged message, and I think I may have lost everything! Any way to get this straightened out? Also, I would like to condense messages to a word processor document and keep the html stuff to go to websites, but so far all I can do is copy the URLs into the Goto line of Netscape. I have Eudora Lite. Appreciate any help out there. I know these lists are rife with computer expertise. John Surgeon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR - NANCY
Hi Nancy - Thank you for responding. If I email my snailmail address, could you find it in your heart to copy and mail that literature to me? Or is there an URL for this company? I did a Web search but couldn't find anything. Thanks for the thoughts on my friend's death. It's been an especially depressing week for me; in fact, today I coughed up blood (first time in 2.5 years) and was very allarmed by it. I think my emotions had something to do with it. Dameon PS...If you want my snailmail address, please send your *real* email address; I tried sending this message to you personally the first time and it came back to me. THANKS. ___ I think I've mentioned the Motherlode (about $400); haven't gotten one yet; it's on my list of expensive "toys" to get within the next 6 mo. It can process up to a gallon of CS, pretty high ppm if desired; doesn't require "wiping wires or filtering" or dark glass bottles, and processes fairly quickly according to literature I have on it. A teenage girl I know used this CS (her mother made it for her). She had severe headaches with Lyme disease and is now asymptotic. I'm sorry that you lost another friend; thanks for letting us know. I hope you can find a better doctor, too. Sincerely, Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Cs generation, ozone generating, homesteading
Ok, have we got somewhere with the cs/ozone bubbling? I'm taking a time out from cs generation. My last attempt was pretty amateurish, and I'm going to watch the debates and refine my technique before going back in the water, so to speak. Meanwhile, I'll just have to swishnswallow h202 for my main health effort. The tips and tricks passed on over the last month have been great. I feel that I've gained quite a bit from the interaction with the list. Keep the pot boiling[well, at least hot] I'm also going to try to refine my record-keeping, timing and general lab practice. This is what I was driving at, Mike, when I originally mentioned a programmable form for data recording. I wanted to develop a checklist to keep myself on track, and also provide data for all the statistical type stuff that formal researchers need[or think they need]. A puff of smoke, A cloud of dust, And a hearty Hi-Yo Silver! The Pathogen Ranger Rides Again! "Maybe this silver bullet will cure me-" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
>>Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you >>mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? >> >>Whitney Collins >> >>>GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >>>grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >>>yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >>>fog such as myself. DR. BECK HAS WARNED ABOUT USING HIS BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION/MAGNETIC THUMPER/CS/OZONATED H20 TREATMENT SYSTEM WITH GARLIC AND HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES. THIS CAN CAUSE ELECTROPORATION, WHERE A NORMAL DOSEAGE BECOMES A TOXIC DOSE. POSSIBLY CS, HERBAL AND HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES CAN CONFLICT WITH GfSE IN A SIMILAR MANNER. WOULD VOLL ELECTRODERMAL TESTS OR DR. HULDA CLARK'S SYNCROMETER BE OF HELP HERE? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
