Re: Proposed CS protocol #1
M. G. Devour wrote: > > Hello silver-list folks, > > All I can say is *WOW*! There's so much momentum and I'm seeing > messages from people I've never seen on the list before. It's > beautiful, folks. > > It seems like there's enough support to try choosing a standard > protocol before doing microbial testing. I'm going to attempt to > describe such a protocol, which I hope we can develop toward a > consensus. I'd like to have a good discussion of the alternatives > and anything I am missing. Mike, Current / recent discussion on excess current causing a 'cloudy' resulting product should be taken into consideration in defining your recommended 'standard' setup... in light of comments (with which I agree) that limiting current may produce a better product, I would suggest that 36 volts with no current limiting (ballast bulb) may run at an undesirably high current level; it is not a system I would personally presently use or suggest as a standard - but then, it's not me who's moderating this list or defining your tests.. I'd like to suggest that having some samples examined initially from some various setups before trying to define a "standard setup" might serve the purposes more closely; then proceed to define this 'standard setup' based on test results / observations. If a product made with a 36 volt no-ballast/current limiting can test best, then recommend it after the tests. Just my thoughts... good to see a lot of interest! Bruce -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity: thoughts
M. G. Devour wrote: > > On 18 Jul 98 at 22:08, Bill K. wrote: > > > the reversal of polarity might 'unbuild' the black buildup, > > molecule by molecule, while you relax. All I'm suggesting is that > > nobody seems to have investigated, or at least reported, on this. > > It's an interesting idea, Bill, and I think Bruce Stenulson has done > something with it recently. (Bruce, you there?) It's easy to > implement with a 555 timer chip and a small relay. (A couple of > switching transistors could do the job for less, if you were building > a million of 'em.) I've been working with pulsing the current to minimize certain undesirable effects of the constant current process; I personally have reservations, however, about reversing the polarity... > > > It seems possible that some of the gray silver particles which > > collect on the cathode would be quickly converted to CS, each time > > the cathode switched and became the anode -- thus improving the net > > efficiency of CS production by up to several hundred percent. The assumption here is that agglomerations of silver particles, which have made contact with the negatively charged electrode and consequently gained an electron / been stripped of their positive ionic charge, might revert into very small, positively charged ionic silver particles again but will the ideal actually happen? The thought that occurs to me is: It's also possible that all that would result is that *the weak attraction* between the negatively charged electrode and the particles of reduced 'silver sludge', which holds them in place, would be reversed, repelling this residue back into the water in it's charge-stripped state... IF positively charged silver ions, of a very small particle size, are what Becker's work seems to indicate are the most biologically active form of silver for our use, then suspended non-charged particles may not be quite as desirable in our product... Considering that silver chloride and silver carbonate solutions are still being made and used by many, who still seem to report positive effects, we're left with the underlying question, "IS the positively charged ionic silver particle the most desirable to produce *exclusively* in our 'home brew' efforts? > This is a well put statement of the possible advantage. That would be > a great benefit, if it worked that way. > > > Likewise, the black silver oxide on the 'anode' (now cathode) > > might be rapidly converted into CS plus H2O. Thus leaving both > > electrodes relatively 'clean'. The positively charged electrode forms a black (silver oxide?) coating; will changing the charge on the electrode cause the oxygen to un-bond with the silver, or will it instead simply repel smaller silver oxide particles (too fine to easily identify) back into the water? I tend to expect that the latter is the case. Avoiding re-dispersal of accumulated products from the surface of the electrodes seems advisable; once they've gone through a reaction in contact with one of the electrodes, current reversal may *not* provide the desired reversal of that reaction, but instead simply propel them away from those surfaces, to be suspended in the water. This subject, therefore, may need further study. I'm inclined personally to not reverse the polarity at this time. If a methodology is available to analyze the resulting product, this would be interesting to investigate further, but I am unsure what means for testing would actually be required... Bruce -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: High potency colloidal silver
Thanks Jim. -Original Message- From: jein...@troi.csw.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 6:22 PM Subject: Re: High potency colloidal silver > From: "JohnJ" > To: > Subject: Re: High potency colloidal silver > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:53:57 -0700 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Have made colloidal silver for about a month. But haven't been persistently > taking it yet and just increased the amount. > Drank approximately 32 ounces in the last two days. I have a lot of work > to do. > > John >jo...@access.mountain.net > > > Am also drinking alkalie ion mineral water, trying to raise my blood PH to > a high healthy level. Theoretically, if my blood PH is raised > high enough, the bacteria shouldn't be able to live in such an environment. > Does anyone have any comments about blood PH? John, If you are actually acid then the ion mineral water will help, if you are already alkaline, it will only make you worse. If you have pH paper, test your urine and saliva 2 hours after eating. You can drink water up to about 30 minutes before testing, but don't eat or drink anything else for two hours. Don't chew gum, or kiss a woman who is wearing lipstick. That will alter the saliva pH. Now, both the urine and saliva reading should be in the range of 6.3 to 6.6, if they are not, you need to work on it. If you can do the pH test, and you get some other reading, let me know and I'll tell you how to fix it. Hope this helps! Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
a haha!
Dear Candace, Hi! Just thought you`d enjoy this one!! Mush THREE JEWISH SONS Three sons of a Yiddish Mama left their homeland, went abroad and prospered. They discussed the gifts they were able to give their old mother. AVRAHAM, the first, said:"I built a big house for our mother." MOISHE, the second, said: "I sent her a Mercedes with a driver." DAVID, the youngest, said: "You remember how our mother enjoys reading the bible. These days she can't see very well. I sent her a remarkable parrot that recites the whole bible... Mama just has to name the chapter and verse and the parrot will recite it word for word. It took many years to train this parrot and it is quite rare." Soon thereafter, a letter of thanks came from their mother. AVRAHAM, she said, the house you built is so huge. I live only in one room, but I have to clean the whole house! MOISHE, she said, I am too old to travel. I stay most of the time at home so I rarely use the Mercedes. And that driver has shpilkas -- he's a pain in the tuchas. But DAVID, she said, THE CHICKEN WAS DELICIOUS.
Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:08:03 -0400 > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > From: Bill Kingsbury > Subject: Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > At 08:31 PM 7-18-98 +, Jim wrote: > > > > Bill, > > I have done both. > > Done both ? What, are you saying that you built a 'Bob Beck > blood electrifier' device ?? > No, I have not built the Beck device. I missed that part of the post until after I sent the reply. I have just reversed the electrodes and I have stirred the water. > > Reversing the electrodes will help > > them to disolve at a more equal rate, but you would have to > > stop the process and switch them every minute or so to have a > > chance at keeping the buildup off, and I'm not too sure that > > would work or even be a good idea. > > Why stop the process, when a timer chip could switch electrode > polarity automatically, as used in Bob Beck's circuit ? And if > you wanted to try it manually, you could use a DPDT switch. > I hadn't thought of that. That is a good idea. > If you did build a 'Beck device', did you use it to make CS ? > If yes, did the electrodes stay 'cleaner' ? > > > > What would you be making > > if you had some of the black buildup on both electrodes??? > > How do you know there would be _any_ black buildup -- the > reversal of polarity might 'unbuild' the black buildup, > molecule by molecule, while you relax. All I'm suggesting > is that nobody seems to have investigated, or at least > reported, on this. > I don't! I was just thinking out loud. > And even if there was some amount of black buildup on two > electrodes, there still may be significant advantages. > (Is there a reason it should be hazardous to have silver > oxide on two electrodes, rather than only one ?) > I don't know! > It seems possible that some of the gray silver particles which > collect on the cathode would be quickly converted to CS, each > time the cathode switched and became the anode -- thus improving > the net efficiency of CS production by up to several hundred > percent. > > Likewise, the black silver oxide on the 'anode' (now cathode) > might be rapidly converted into CS plus H2O. > > Thus leaving both electrodes relatively 'clean'. > > Seems worth a try. I'd like to see test results to compare > the resulting CS vs. 'standard' CS. > Build a device to do this, and send me a sample of the silver, and I will take a look at it in the darkfield microscope and see what it looks like. If it is not working right, we may be able to see a difference in it. Jim > > > Also, I always stir my water just before putting the > > electrodes in. This will keep the water moving for a long time. > > Take Care, > > Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity
On 18 Jul 98 at 22:08, Bill K. wrote: > the reversal of polarity might 'unbuild' the black buildup, > molecule by molecule, while you relax. All I'm suggesting is that > nobody seems to have investigated, or at least reported, on this. It's an interesting idea, Bill, and I think Bruce Stenulson has done something with it recently. (Bruce, you there?) It's easy to implement with a 555 timer chip and a small relay. (A couple of switching transistors could do the job for less, if you were building a million of 'em.) > It seems possible that some of the gray silver particles which > collect on the cathode would be quickly converted to CS, each time > the cathode switched and became the anode -- thus improving the net > efficiency of CS production by up to several hundred percent. This is a well put statement of the possible advantage. That would be a great benefit, if it worked that way. > Likewise, the black silver oxide on the 'anode' (now cathode) > might be rapidly converted into CS plus H2O. Thus leaving both > electrodes relatively 'clean'. > Seems worth a try. I'd like to see test results to compare > the resulting CS vs. 'standard' CS. Since we've yet to make the "standard" CS that standard, we're not really ready to check out more complicated options like this. My first goal is to understand and document the *simplest* system. Later I fully hope to compare various techniques like switching, current limiting, and that sort of thing. So you're on the right track. We've got plenty to learn. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Grow your own paramecium
>> I also plan to do some testing with bacteria. I have some paramcium >>allready on the way. > >Hi Reid, >When I was a youngster in about the fifth or sixth grade, our science >teacher had us place a handful of partly dried weeds in a glass of water >and place it in a sunny window. Within three or four days, we had more >paramecium swimming around than we knew what to do with. Of course that >was before all of the chemical additives were put in our water so you might >want to try spring water. >Harvey Thank you very much for that info. I'll give it a try and see what happens. You know I've seen what looked like weeds in some of the samples before. Also I was told by Micheal Prescott that he uses distilled water so that might be the way to go. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: More CS and yogurt testing
>Acidophilus. I did 3 different samples. (1) Acidophilus straight out >of the bottle. (2) Acidophilus diluted with distilled water 50/50. >(3) Acidophilus diluted with MSP 50/50. The results were about the >same I have seen before. The Acidophilus/MSP combination made the >bacteria a bit more active than either of the other samples. It did If it makes the bacteria more active then I "think" that might be a good sign. The reason is that each bacteria has a life cycle. Say one bacteria's life cycle is 3 days. That is from birth, reproduction, and death in a time span of 3 days. So what happens if you speed up that cycle to 1 day. You have birth and death so fast that it doesn't have time to reproduce. Some of the articals that I have talk about certian RF frequencys doing the same thing. On the other hand though, it could be a bad thing if they are fast enough to reproduce in that time frame. Keep up the good work Jim and thank you for your efforts. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity
At 08:31 PM 7-18-98 +, Jim wrote: > > Bill, > I have done both. Done both ? What, are you saying that you built a 'Bob Beck blood electrifier' device ?? > Reversing the electrodes will help > them to disolve at a more equal rate, but you would have to > stop the process and switch them every minute or so to have a > chance at keeping the buildup off, and I'm not too sure that > would work or even be a good idea. Why stop the process, when a timer chip could switch electrode polarity automatically, as used in Bob Beck's circuit ? And if you wanted to try it manually, you could use a DPDT switch. If you did build a 'Beck device', did you use it to make CS ? If yes, did the electrodes stay 'cleaner' ? > What would you be making > if you had some of the black buildup on both electrodes??? How do you know there would be _any_ black buildup -- the reversal of polarity might 'unbuild' the black buildup, molecule by molecule, while you relax. All I'm suggesting is that nobody seems to have investigated, or at least reported, on this. And even if there was some amount of black buildup on two electrodes, there still may be significant advantages. (Is there a reason it should be hazardous to have silver oxide on two electrodes, rather than only one ?) It seems possible that some of the gray silver particles which collect on the cathode would be quickly converted to CS, each time the cathode switched and became the anode -- thus improving the net efficiency of CS production by up to several hundred percent. Likewise, the black silver oxide on the 'anode' (now cathode) might be rapidly converted into CS plus H2O. Thus leaving both electrodes relatively 'clean'. Seems worth a try. I'd like to see test results to compare the resulting CS vs. 'standard' CS. > Also, I always stir my water just before putting the > electrodes in. This will keep the water moving for a long time. > Take Care, > Jim Einert, N.D. > -- > In reply to: > >> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:19:56 -0400 >> To:silver-list@eskimo.com >> From: Bill Kingsbury >> Subject: periodically reversing the electrode polarity > >> Has anyone tried periodically reversing the electrode polarity ? >> I wonder if this would function to keep the electrodes cleaner, >> or to stir the CS solution ? >> >> Bob Beck's important 'blood electrifier' device also makes CS, >> and it reverses electrode polarity 3.9 times per second, >> using a 7555 chip and a relay. The plans are at: >> http://www.electriciti.com/explore/Articles/Beck/HIV_Article.html >> >> Has anyone around here built one of these ? >> >> Thanks. >> >> --Bill >> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
More Cs and Acidophilus Testing
? I was sent a sample of commercial CS, and I did some tests with it today. I hope this will be of help to someone. I still will have to do a lot more testing, and one of these days I need to learn to grow bad bacteria to test with. I keep learning, and I will see even more come from this research as I progress. Hang in there, we will all learn something from what I have discovered and will discover in the future. Jim Einert, N.D.> __ Jim; Thanks for your valuable info. Keep up the good work. I am jealous, do not have a microscope yet. Very Grateful, chc PS: Thanks for the idea of saliva and urine testing for Ph. Did not think of it In the past, I have not found them to be that reliable. Possibly because So many people I see have multiple organ involvement and the pH testings of saliva and urine don't help me figure what organ is compensating for what, whereas the arterial blood gases tell me what is respiratory and what is metabolic! I need to return to simplicity. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
High Potency CS and Lyme
Dear John J; I have been using commercial 30 ppm CS from Source Naturals for my Lyme, which I have had for 39 yrs. When I muscle test, it tests strong on the Lyme point. When I try our homemade (And we are rank amateurs at this) it does not make the reflex strong. In fact it weakens other reflexes on my body, indicating possible contaminates. I amnow taking 1 swig of 30 ppm every 6 hours and have been doing that, building up gradually, because I was Herxing at 2 teaspoons 2 x a day when I started nearly 2 weeks ago on the CS only. (I would not take CS with antibiotics, IMHO) I believe I will need 100 ppm every 4 hours for a month or two to remove most of the Lyme. (I am not sure it will remove the Lyme in the brain and CNS or kill off the dormant phase Lyme either) But until I get a darkfield microscope, I may never know for sure. Although I am not into herbs, I have always had great results with homeopathics, a colleague of mine put together some herbs, that were tested using infected ticks. That formula, I'm being a guinea pig here, made me herz so bad, after about 10 days, I became seriously depressed and suicidal. (Don't remember feeling that bad when I was paralyzed by Lyme before.) I am studying it and seeing what I can do to balance out the diruption of the brain chemistry to see how to allay that serious side effect. I have ordered 100 ppm Ionic Silver from waterOZ. I will be testing and scoring it this week on my Lyme reflex. I will keep you posted if it is good. In the meantime, I am posting this openly hoping that someone out there will be able to help us in making high potency CS, instead of having to shell out $1000 for a machine that I do not even can deliver!!! Most people with Lyme do not have the money to risk the $1000. Let's pray. Take Care, chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
