RE: CSWent wrong
Damian, So which one went off first, what was the time difference between the first one going 'off' and the second? What strength is your colloidal silver? Do you expect CS to continue working even after it has been used up in killing bacteria? Your experiments to date have been doomed to fail your expectations, and say nothing about the effectiveness of CS. You may have to rely on the published experiments of independent laboratories, conducted by people who know what they are doing. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Damian Corrin [mailto:damian...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 6:34 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSWent wrong I got and equal amount of milk with in two containers. I then add 2ml of cs to around 20ml of milk, and leave both sitting for a couple of days. When i opened they had both gone off and neither of them had any growth. I am beginning to believe either cs is snake oil or that i am making incorrectly Take care damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWent wrong
Lynda, If it doesn't work in this experiment, what conclusion will you draw? Ivan. -Original Message- From: Lynda Khula [mailto:ne...@clinic.net] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 6:57 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWent wrong ok now you have me wondering so I am going to try it will let you know how it works Lynda - Original Message - From: Damian Corrin damian...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: CSWent wrong I got and equal amount of milk with in two containers. I then add 2ml of cs to around 20ml of milk, and leave both sitting for a couple of days. When i opened they had both gone off and neither of them had any growth. I am beginning to believe either cs is snake oil or that i am making incorrectly Take care damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and Argyria
-Original Message- From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net 2.) When I add H2O2 to my HVAC ARC CS that has no T.E., instantaneously there is formed a strong T.E. which says that agglomeration has set in in a big way. I hope this helps your understanding. Ole Bob Bob, What was instantly formed was probably minute bubbles of gas as the H2O2 oxidised those elemental particles found in the sample. These should eventually clear to leave a solution with less TE than before. I have travelled this road, and it was only after magnification that I found this out. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?
Jim, It is possible that the boy has an allergic reaction to silver, but more likely that he has had a reaction to the chlorine. Silver ions or silver chloride (solid) are benign and do not have a history of causing inflammation. The health professional is, as far as I know, quite mistaken, and would do better to concentrate on finding the real cause of this reaction. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner [mailto:jpmeiss...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 4:01 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Dear Group: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could ask more questions. Does anyone know? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and Argyria
Well Nina, In order to make 'a well-reasoned rebuttal' one would need to read the referenced articles in full, and find that the authors were mistaken in their conclusions. I imagine that the only thing they would be mistaken in, is in naming the solutions involved as Colloidal Silver. However, there ought to have been tests for selenium deficiency or overdose and vit E deficiency. Liver and kidney function should also have been tested to ensure they lie within the normal range. One presumes that tissue biopsies were done to establish the quantative presence and species of silver found therein. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Nina Silver [mailto:ni...@bestweb.net] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 1:55 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and Argyria - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: CSCS and Argyria Until this morning everything I had read seemed to indicate that there were no documented cases of argyria from use of CS. But, there was a link posted on the Yahoo CS club http://www.chetday.com/colloidalsilvergenerator.htm List, I emailed Chet about the above article. Chet said he'd be willing to post my well-reasoned rebuttal to the article on his website. However, I don't have the time right now. Would any of you like to do it? Regards, Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSnewbie question/oldbie question
So from 3 to 30,000 volts currently under production...that is a huge range. Could be unprecedented as a manufacturing parameter. Thanks Jim. BTW generating the same 15-20 PPM after 4 days as you get after 2 may be unprecedented also ;-) -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner [mailto:jpmeiss...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 6:05 a.m. To: *Silver-List* (E-mail) Subject: Re: CSnewbie question/oldbie question I happen to use 3 volts and a 4.7 Kohm limit resistor with the generator I make. In 1 day you get 5 PPM, in 2 days you get 15-20 PPM, in 3 days you get 15-20 PPM, in 4 days you get 15-20 PPM. I am not in a hurry and with this system the time is not critical. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: RE: CSnewbie question/oldbie question Ken, Theoretically 0.79 V above the 0V set by a standard hydrogen electrode (bubbling hydrogen over a platinum electrode I think). I should think that a single 1.5V cell would do something over a day or so. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 12:43 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSnewbie question/oldbie question A high voltage helps push current through highly resistive distilled water but the water becomes less resistive with process time and the current draw increases. You can start with many nine volt batteries at first but should reduce the voltage as the process goes to keep the current draw down. Ending up with one battery is good. Starting out with one battery is OK but can take a very long time. Any voltage over 3v [I think] will work. Ivan can tell you what the absolute minimum is. ken At 09:08 AM 11/27/01 -0500, you wrote: - Original Message - From: tara...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: CSnewbie question OK-I got my first set of silver rods, my three 9 volt batteries and my alligator clips. I've made umpteen 2 cup batches using 4 different brands of DW,(the first batch was yellow, all others were clear and it all has a slightly bitter taste.) Now, I want to know, what do I have to do to increase the amount I make in each batch? I'm brewing it, according to my directions, for 1 hour,(I wipe off the rods and stir the water after the first 30 minutes,)-if I want to make double or quadruple the amount, or even a gallon, do I need more power? How much more? Longer brewing time? I'm thinking of getting a small fish tank to make it in-would the bubbles be a good idea? (Sort of like stirring. . .) Sorry if these questions seem S elementary to some of you, but I've just started :-) I don't have any answers for Kathryn, but would like to add more questions to this. After many moons of using my trusty CS generators, I am getting ready to do the homemade alligator clip routine (I bought some lovely silver that I'm itching to use). 1) What is the advantage to using many 9 volt batteries in a row, as opposed to one? 2) Also, is one 12 volt battery okay to use instead of a 9 volt? Thanks. Colloid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbabies and CS
The CS after taste makes milk taste really yukky. Ken At 05:43 PM 11/28/01 -0600, you wrote: In article 00b801c17852$f0cb6f00$621d6...@nick, Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz wrote: Hi everyone While we are on the subject of reactions to CS - I told a person to whom I gave a bottle of CS to, that it was quite safe to give to her baby of a few months. The baby screamed about 20 minutes after every dose? Anyone know why this would be? If I were a baby and really grossed out by CS's metallic aftertaste I would probably think screaming at the top of my lungs until the taste went away a pretty good strategy. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWent wrong
One the other hand, i have a piece of turkey cold cut in the fridge that I sprayed with CS when it started to 'go off' that's 7 weeks old that cats will still eat. It's too sticky to be attractive to me but not green or anything. Ken At 12:03 AM 12/1/01 +1300, you wrote: Lynda, If it doesn't work in this experiment, what conclusion will you draw? Ivan. -Original Message- From: Lynda Khula [mailto:ne...@clinic.net] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 6:57 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWent wrong ok now you have me wondering so I am going to try it will let you know how it works Lynda - Original Message - From: Damian Corrin damian...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: CSWent wrong I got and equal amount of milk with in two containers. I then add 2ml of cs to around 20ml of milk, and leave both sitting for a couple of days. When i opened they had both gone off and neither of them had any growth. I am beginning to believe either cs is snake oil or that i am making incorrectly Take care damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?
Thank you very much for that answer. The doctor was so positive that I had to double check with the CS group. I thought it was more likely the boy picked up an infection from the pool water with the open abrasion. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:18 AM Subject: RE: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Jim, It is possible that the boy has an allergic reaction to silver, but more likely that he has had a reaction to the chlorine. Silver ions or silver chloride (solid) are benign and do not have a history of causing inflammation. The health professional is, as far as I know, quite mistaken, and would do better to concentrate on finding the real cause of this reaction. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner [mailto:jpmeiss...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 4:01 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Dear Group: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could ask more questions. Does anyone know? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnewbie question/oldbie question
To add more information. I use the Hanna PWT and the small laser pointer that I bought from Trem for my testing. The CS is perfectly clear although after 3 or 4 days of cooking it gets a very, very pale yellow color. The laser pointer shows almost no TE. I have left a jar in full sunlight for a day with no apparent effect. My customers report miracles, so it must be working. BUT, with this low voltage, the cleaning of the electrodes is critical. Even fingerprints and oxide on the wire will effect the process. My instruction state to wipe the wires with a paper towel soaked with White Distilled Vinegar just before inserting into the distilled water. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: RE: CSnewbie question/oldbie question So from 3 to 30,000 volts currently under production...that is a huge range. Could be unprecedented as a manufacturing parameter. Thanks Jim. BTW generating the same 15-20 PPM after 4 days as you get after 2 may be unprecedented also ;-) -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner [mailto:jpmeiss...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 6:05 a.m. To: *Silver-List* (E-mail) Subject: Re: CSnewbie question/oldbie question I happen to use 3 volts and a 4.7 Kohm limit resistor with the generator I make. In 1 day you get 5 PPM, in 2 days you get 15-20 PPM, in 3 days you get 15-20 PPM, in 4 days you get 15-20 PPM. I am not in a hurry and with this system the time is not critical. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: RE: CSnewbie question/oldbie question Ken, Theoretically 0.79 V above the 0V set by a standard hydrogen electrode (bubbling hydrogen over a platinum electrode I think). I should think that a single 1.5V cell would do something over a day or so. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 12:43 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSnewbie question/oldbie question A high voltage helps push current through highly resistive distilled water but the water becomes less resistive with process time and the current draw increases. You can start with many nine volt batteries at first but should reduce the voltage as the process goes to keep the current draw down. Ending up with one battery is good. Starting out with one battery is OK but can take a very long time. Any voltage over 3v [I think] will work. Ivan can tell you what the absolute minimum is. ken At 09:08 AM 11/27/01 -0500, you wrote: - Original Message - From: tara...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: CSnewbie question OK-I got my first set of silver rods, my three 9 volt batteries and my alligator clips. I've made umpteen 2 cup batches using 4 different brands of DW,(the first batch was yellow, all others were clear and it all has a slightly bitter taste.) Now, I want to know, what do I have to do to increase the amount I make in each batch? I'm brewing it, according to my directions, for 1 hour,(I wipe off the rods and stir the water after the first 30 minutes,)-if I want to make double or quadruple the amount, or even a gallon, do I need more power? How much more? Longer brewing time? I'm thinking of getting a small fish tank to make it in-would the bubbles be a good idea? (Sort of like stirring. . .) Sorry if these questions seem S elementary to some of you, but I've just started :-) I don't have any answers for Kathryn, but would like to add more questions to this. After many moons of using my trusty CS generators, I am getting ready to do the homemade alligator clip routine (I bought some lovely silver that I'm itching to use). 1) What is the advantage to using many 9 volt batteries in a row, as opposed to one? 2) Also, is one 12 volt battery okay to use instead of a 9 volt? Thanks. Colloid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or-
RE: CSnewbie question/oldbie question
Morning Jim, At 12:45 AM 12/01/2001 +1300, you wrote: So from 3 to 30,000 volts currently under production...that is a huge range. Could be unprecedented as a manufacturing parameter. The only problem is.. many of us are not high voltage certified. Actually, I don't think there is a worldwide accepted definition of high voltage and low voltage. I would suggest that one use whatever voltage he is comfortable in handling. I have been shocked by several hundred volts DC voltage and hit by lightning twice in my life. These were not direct hits, but secondary shocks. Lightning is bad stuff. When you can taste blood and parts of the body are numb for two or three hours, that is HIGH VOLTAGE ! Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWent wrong
There are many unknown elements in milk. How will the fat interact with the CS, how will the proteins interact with the CS and so forth. It is quite possible that these elements of milk inactivate the CS or make it aggregate over a period of a day or two. Even when taken internally, it only lasts in the body for 8 or so hours. Plus the nutrient level is extremely high, making replication rates of bacteria high at room temperature. In all cases if the repliction rate exceeds the kill rate then CS will lose the war. I suspect the silver particles may be getting bound up in the fat particles, but that is just a hunch. I have read that dropping a silver dollar (a pure or 90% silver one) in milk will make it last longer, but have never tried it. Marshall Lynda Khula wrote: so before I try it I am to make sure the milk is cold I thought I read it was to stay in the warm Lynda - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: CSWent wrong Was the milk kept cold or at room temperature. If it was at room temperature than I would expect the multiplication rate of the bacteria to greatly exceed the kill rate of the CS. I wonder how the fat droplets interact with the silver particles. Would they tend to absorb them? Marshall Damian Corrin wrote: I got and equal amount of milk with in two containers. I then add 2ml of cs to around 20ml of milk, and leave both sitting for a couple of days. When i opened they had both gone off and neither of them had any growth. I am beginning to believe either cs is snake oil or that i am making incorrectly Take care damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWent wrong
Did the stickyness occur before or after spraying with CS? The stickyness is caused by slime bacteria. They produce it to provide an adhesive surface so they don't get washed away easily. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: One the other hand, i have a piece of turkey cold cut in the fridge that I sprayed with CS when it started to 'go off' that's 7 weeks old that cats will still eat. It's too sticky to be attractive to me but not green or anything. Ken At 12:03 AM 12/1/01 +1300, you wrote: Lynda, If it doesn't work in this experiment, what conclusion will you draw? Ivan. -Original Message- From: Lynda Khula [mailto:ne...@clinic.net] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 6:57 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWent wrong ok now you have me wondering so I am going to try it will let you know how it works Lynda - Original Message - From: Damian Corrin damian...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: CSWent wrong I got and equal amount of milk with in two containers. I then add 2ml of cs to around 20ml of milk, and leave both sitting for a couple of days. When i opened they had both gone off and neither of them had any growth. I am beginning to believe either cs is snake oil or that i am making incorrectly Take care damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSReams info, course, etc.
Hi, I received an avalanche of emails interested in Carey Reams testing method. One group of emails were from folks who are interested in being tested. The second group of emails were from folks who were interested in learning how to perform the testing. Some of the emails werent clear as to which of those two options they were interested in. I think there were even a few folks who simply wanted to know more about Reams and what he did. I decided to compose a letter that addressed all of these options, so I wouldnt have to write and send 15-20+ different emails! Anyone who wants to get more info or ask questions, etc., should contact me off-list, or post to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silver-off-topic-list The following is the content of my Metabolic Bioanalysis brochure: INTRODUCTION: Metabolic Bioanalysis is the system of performing urine/saliva testing using specific laboratory equipment for the purpose of determining biochemical imbalances in the human body. The concept is that, if the human body is kept in balance and given the nutrients it needs, it will produce and maintain good health. There are five tests conducted that indicate where attention needs to be paid to one's diet and lifestyle in order to achieve metabolic balance. These tests include: 1. pH (Acid/alkaline) levels. This test indicates which type of calcium (alkalinizing, acidifying or neutral) is most needed in the subject's body to ensure sound bone and teeth structure and development. It also indicates the level of mineral reserve in the body, the speed and efficiency of the digestion, how well the body is assimilating nutrients, blood insulin efficiency and other important facets of human metabolism. 2. Total blood sugars. This test determines the total blood sugars level, not just glucose. This can be important for people with a tendency towards diabetes or hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), as well as other factors such as energy level, mental alertness, etc. 3. Total electrolytes level. Electrolytes conduct electricity within the body. This test gives insight into energy levels, pressure on the heart and other organs, water requirements, etc. 4. Total Ureas. Ureas are by-products of protein metabolism, and this test establishes how much protein should be included in the subject's diet, how well they are digesting protein, what kind of protein that client should be consuming, the effect on the heart and other indicators. 5. Albumin (cell debris). This test indicates how fast the client is aging, cell structure integrity, and affects the readings of the other tests. With the results of these tests, I am able to recommend a specific type of diet and supplement program which is individualized to the client's particular metabolic needs, and designed to encourage the body to balance it's chemistry and optimize it's capacity to heal itself. Normally, balance can be improved using natural healthy foods, self-administered natural therapies and the specific supplements indicated by the tests. I do not diagnose diseases nor prescribe cures for them. HISTORY: Metabolic Bioanalysis was first developed in the early 1930's by the late biophysicist/biochemist Dr. Carey Reams. Early in his career, Reams had earned a reputation for his work in the field of agriculture and animal husbandry. Dr. Reams would test and analyze a farmer's soil, and when the farmer would follow Reams' recommendations for treating and restoring the soil to optimum productivity, the farmer would frequently experience up to a five-fold increase in crop production. Dairy cows fed with grain that was grown on this improved soil were known to produce 3-5 times more milk than ordinary dairy cows, and the milk was noticeably sweeter and creamier. In the late 1930's, Dr. Reams had a neighbor who had a little boy, 3 1/2, whom the doctors said was having epileptic seizures. The doctors had told the boy's father that his son would not live beyond the age of 5, that one day he would go into a seizure he would not recover from. At this time the boy was having 8 seizures per day, and medicine had no effect. Dr. Reams took the principles of biochemistry that he had developed in the field of animal husbandry and applied them to human biochemistry. Dr. Reams (not a medical doctor, but a biochemist/biophysicist) took samples from the boy's body of everything it was possible to get a sample of and discovered that all the test results were duplicated in urine and saliva. (Reams believed he was the first person to ever do hair analysis). He made suggestions to the father of diet changes and supplements. After one month, the boy was down to one or two seizures per day, and after three months, all seizures had stopped. By 1968, Reams was traveling 150,000 miles per year as an agricultural consultant. After he retired as an agricultural consultant, a 20-year old girl with Hodgkin's disease
Re: CSchemo
Tracy: 1 oz = 29.57352956 ml. or2 tbsp.. Grant.. Nick Grant wrote: Thank Grant I will tell my friend what you have said. Does anyone know offhand the conversion of 1oz? Either in mls, or tsp we don't do ounces over here :) Tracy - Original Message - From: Grant g...@island.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 15:38 Subject: Re: CSchemo Tracy: My wife has just come through the exact same affliction.. For what it's worth, she took 1 oz twice daily throughout the full 6 months chemo.. Came through chemo with flying colors. Whether cs contributed to that??? Who knows... But no apparent side effects anyway.. Grant.. Nick Grant wrote: Hi everyone If you could be of any help, I'd appreciate it. My friend's sister is undergoing chemo. She had a breast off, and now has an infection. Her white blood cells will be just about to hit zero, so she is at a high risk of a systemic infection from this. Can she safely take CS with the chemo drug? My friend is a little hesitant, as you cannot take vitamins a and E with this drug, so I thought I had better ask you knowledgeable ones.. :) Thanks - oh yes - how much do you think she should take - she is a pretty big lady with a big infection :) Thanks Tracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?
Greetings to all Silverlist members, Jim Meissner wrote: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The optimum dermatological environment of the human skin is acidic. I have come across cases of minor skin abrasions developing into full blown inflammation after using alkaline shower gel. This is Soap Dermatitis due to the high alkalinity present in the product. This is commonly observed as a complication in Nappy Rash and sensitive skin Using a more acidic soap with a ph 5.5 for cleansing purposes usually leads to an uneventful recovery.Anecdotally, the ph of the swimming pool water is suspect : the pool water could be highly alkaline considering the severity of the skin reaction. Chlorine, as an irritant could not be ruled out. Swimming pool conjuctivitis due to bacterial infection have been reported in medical journals, more likely as a concomitant. Incidentally, there have cases of increased levels of cholesterol due to exposure to chlorine. . the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? Very unlikely. I have been using Colloidal Silver 5-10ppm diluted in tap water, which is chlorinated, for cleansing of soiled superficial tissue injuries for the past few years. To-date, I have no cause for complaints. With regards Lew - Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: RE: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Jim, It is possible that the boy has an allergic reaction to silver, but more likely that he has had a reaction to the chlorine. Silver ions or silver chloride (solid) are benign and do not have a history of causing inflammation. The health professional is, as far as I know, quite mistaken, and would do better to concentrate on finding the real cause of this reaction. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner [mailto:jpmeiss...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 4:01 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Dear Group: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could ask more questions. Does anyone know? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSanother question
Isn't there some sort of formula for figuring out what PPM I'm making? I'm now using a 10 cup glass coffee pot and brewing, with 3 9/Vs, for two hours. It's clear and it tastes like CS, but I'd like to find out how to calulate PPM's before I go on to a two gallon fish tank. And how long would that amount take, do you think? All day? -Kathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGiardia
ah!, we have another convert. a friend, who has been hearing my praises of CS, and is suffering from a case of lingering giardia, just bought an eight oz jar of 20 ppm CS. she asked about the dosage, and i don't have a clue. she has it, as does her 10 year old son.they've been thru the anti-biotic routine with the AMA boys, to no avail. would appreciate some help. have already tried the archives. thanks , jim O+, S
CSinjecting CS in cat
A bit of an update on injecting CS into a kitten: I had reason to attempt another CS injection into a 14 week old kitten. I have done this before, the injections being very painful for the animals. This time I used 7cc saline for injection along with 5cc of CS at 20ppm. The process went nearly painless, only the pain of the initial prick of the needle. Would appear that a buffer, such as the saline for injection does the trick in making the procedure more tolerable. Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGiardia
8 oz is not much, but if that is all they have then take it spareinly...like one table spoon 3 x a day.8 oz 3x a day probably wouldn't hurt except to flood the liver with dead junk that could make them feel a bit like the flu for a day or two... I have read there is no known case of an over dose.. Be Well Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Acmeair wrote: ah!, we have another convert. a friend, who has been hearing my praises of CS, and is suffering from a case of lingering giardia, just bought an eight oz jar of 20 ppm CS. she asked about the dosage, and i don't have a clue. she has it, as does her 10 year old son.they've been thru the anti-biotic routine with the AMA boys, to no avail. would appreciate some help. have already tried the archives. thanks , jim O+, S
Re: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?
Hi Jim, You say that a 400 PPM cs was used. I heard on this list from experts that It would be almost impossible to produce true CS at 400 PM. I have not seen anyone commenting on this aspect, should we not be concerned about this 400 PPM ? is this 400 PPM CS true CS ? Gaston == - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner jpmeiss...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Dear Group: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could ask more questions. Does anyone know? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWent wrong
The milk both went of at the same time and the cs subject appeared to be worse. The cs i make uses 3 9v with a bubbler for around 3 hours. It is clear on finish. It tastes very metalic. The milk was kept at room temperature. Yes i could leave the testing up to independent laboratories, but as people are aware every one has a stake somewhere in the result and figures are easily changed to suit. I mean is the glass half empty or full. I think what im trying to get at rather than anything is that all this information has been written about how amazing cs is and how many things it can cure and kill, when an even balance of light hasnt been shone on what it cant do and what not to expect from it. That really was the whole point of the experiment and my posting. When something almost becomes like a religion it maybe necessary to step and rethink the whole. Anyhow thats my bit Take care Damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGiardia
I am wondering. They give dogs CS enemas for Parvo. If treating for Giardia, wouldn't enema also be a better mode of treating? From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:17:05 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGiardia Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:10:06 -0800 8 oz is not much, but if that is all they have then take it spareinly...like one table spoon 3 x a day.8 oz 3x a day probably wouldn't hurt except to flood the liver with dead junk that could make them feel a bit like the flu for a day or two... I have read there is no known case of an over dose.. Be Well Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ Acmeair wrote: ah!, we have another convert. a friend, who has been hearing my praises of CS, and is suffering from a case of lingering giardia, just bought an eight oz jar of 20 ppm CS. she asked about the dosage, and i don't have a clue. she has it, as does her 10 year old son.they've been thru the anti-biotic routine with the AMA boys, to no avail. would appreciate some help. have already tried the archives. thanks , jim O+, S
CSvirus
Thank you one and all for the help, I am happy to announce that, I am now virus free after full and total scan, quite a Wake Up Call for me!! I am very sorry to have caused any problems. God Bless, Mary
Re: CS Giardia Explanation
Giardia Family: Hexamitidae This protozoan is regarded as the most common flagellate in the human digestive tract and is highly contagious. Giardia lamblia species complex. Human form - G. instestinalis Structure: The protozoan has a characteristic tear-drop shape and measures 10-15 µm in length. It has twin nuclei, an adhesive disk which is a rigid structure reinforced by supelicular microtubules. There are two median bodies of unknown function, but their shape is important for differentiating between species. There are 4 pairs of flagella, one anterior pair, two posterior pairs and a caudal pair. These organisms have no mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum , golgi, or lysosomes. Location: These parasites are located in the duodenum, jejunum and upper ileum. They swim free and rapidly in a spiral motion in the intestinal lumen but also attach, via their adhesive disc, to the intestinal epithelium. Reproduction: These protozoa reproduce by binary fission and attachment to a surface is required for this to occur. Feeding and Metabolism: The main food source, glucose is obtained by a process of diffusion or by pinocytosis. Like amoebae, they are aerotolerant anaerobes and require a reducing environment. Food reserves are stored in the form of glycogen. Glucose catabolism via the glycolytic pathway results in production of the end products ethanol, acetate and carbon dioxide. Life Cycle: Giardia have a simple direct life cycle. Cyst are taken in orally, usually via contaminated drinking water. The trophozoites excyst in the small intestine and may divide by binary fission. Trophozoites which are free in the lumen of the intestine can encyst and pass out with the faeces. The disease in Canada gained some notoriety a few years ago when there was and outbreak of Giardiasis in Banff National Park and the symptoms of the disease became known as Beaver Fever, so named because the untreated drinking water fed by mountain streams was thought to be contaminated by beavers infected with a human strain of Giardia. Thus Giardia is a good example of a zoonosis. Pathology: Patients harbouring this protozoan can be asymptomatic carriers or exhibit all or some of the following symptoms: diarrhea, dehydration, abdominal pain and weight loss. There is no blood loss associated with the diarrhea, however, the stool characteristically has a fatty consistency as a result of fat malabsorption. This occurs in heavy infections where attached trophozoites can cover much of the intestinal epithelial surface. This disease is not generally fatal. Pathogenicity. Although it has been frequently suspected that symptomatic and asymptomatic cases of giardiasis may be associated with strains of variable virulence, recent studies on the in vitro pathogenicity of Giardia stains isolated from symptomatic and asymptomatic patients failed to demonstrate any differences in the isolates Ref. Diagnosis. The appearance of the characteristic Giardia cysts in the stool still remains the principle method of diagnosis. More recently the detection of salivary IgA antibodies to Giardia, has been shown to have a good correlation with the presence of cysts in the stools of children, and would appear to be much more sensitive than faecal examination. Ref Treatment. The drug of choice for the treatment of giardiasis remains Metronidazole (Flagyl), but quinacrin hydrochloride and furazolidone are also frequently used. However, drug resistance has been observed with each of these compounds. In addition, toxicity has restricted their use in women of child-bearing age and although less effective, furazolidone has been used preferentially for children as it is can be administered as a suspension. Nevertheless, this compound has been recognised by the Food and Drug Administration in the U.S. as both a mutagen and carcinogen and can no longer be used there. Although some of the benzimidazole drugs, specifically albendazole, are regarded as being a promising alternative treatment, recent clinical trials have demonstrated varying cure rates, from as low as 10% to between 62 to 95 %. It is thought that these drugs work by disrupting tubulin formation. More recently a peptide antibiotic, bacitracin, stabilized with zinc, has been shown to have a high efficacy against Giardia infections. In recent clinical studies all patients responded well to this treatment with final cure rates of over 94%. Side effects from this treatment were few. Tel Tofflemire Phoenix , AZ Connie wrote: I am wondering. They give dogs CS enemas for Parvo. If treating for Giardia, wouldn't enema also be a better mode of treating? From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:17:05 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGiardia Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:10:06 -0800 8 oz is not much, but if that is all they have
Re: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?
Dear Gaston: Good point. I will check. Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: Gaston Boucher obouc...@colba.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Hi Jim, You say that a 400 PPM cs was used. I heard on this list from experts that It would be almost impossible to produce true CS at 400 PM. I have not seen anyone commenting on this aspect, should we not be concerned about this 400 PPM ? is this 400 PPM CS true CS ? Gaston == - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner jpmeiss...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: CSIs CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS? Dear Group: I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could ask more questions. Does anyone know? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGiardia
- Original Message - From: Acmeair res00...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: CSGiardia ah!, we have another convert. a friend, who has been hearing my praises of CS, and is suffering from a case of lingering giardia, just bought an eight oz jar of 20 ppm CS. she asked about the dosage, and i don't have a clue. she has it, as does her 10 year old son.they've been thru the anti-biotic routine with the AMA boys, to no avail. would appreciate some help. have already tried the archives. thanks , jim O+, S Unless I'm mistaken, Colloidal Silver does not affect parasites such as amoebas and worms. Giardia is an amoeba. However, the CS will work on any bacteria or viruses that emerge from the parasites. Perhaps your friend will prove me wrong. I certainly hope so! Best, Nina Silver (no relation to Colloidal) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Giardia Explanation
- Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: Re: CS Giardia Explanation Giardia Family: Hexamitidae This protozoan is regarded as the most common flagellate in the human digestive tract and is highly contagious. Ted, Thanks for posting this information about Giardia. I had incorrectly said it was an amoeba. Though they're both animal like critters, they are different. Best, Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWent wrong
whenever i bring milk home, i put a blub of CS in it right after its opened. it extends the life of the milk to about double before it spoils. i live alone and i don't throw milk out like i used to. nothing scientific, just practical - Original Message - From: Damian Corrin damian...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: CSWent wrong The milk both went of at the same time and the cs subject appeared to be worse. The cs i make uses 3 9v with a bubbler for around 3 hours. It is clear on finish. It tastes very metalic. The milk was kept at room temperature. Yes i could leave the testing up to independent laboratories, but as people are aware every one has a stake somewhere in the result and figures are easily changed to suit. I mean is the glass half empty or full. I think what im trying to get at rather than anything is that all this information has been written about how amazing cs is and how many things it can cure and kill, when an even balance of light hasnt been shone on what it cant do and what not to expect from it. That really was the whole point of the experiment and my posting. When something almost becomes like a religion it maybe necessary to step and rethink the whole. Anyhow thats my bit Take care Damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGiardia
Unless I'm mistaken, Colloidal Silver does not affect parasites such as amoebas and worms. Giardia is an amoeba. However, the CS will work on any bacteria or viruses that emerge from the parasites. Perhaps your friend will prove me wrong. I certainly hope so! Best, Nina Silver (no relation to Colloidal) Well, if CS doesn`t cure Giardia, then my baby cockatiel died. She didn`t, as it did. Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGiardia
Subject: Re: [Beck-blood-electrification] Beck papers Here's another paragraph on the Beck Protocol you can find it at Http://www.quantumbalancing.com/beck/b14.htm Disclosed here is a revolutionary do-it-yourself, safe, natural, inexpensive proven solution to infectious diseases based on blood electrification. It requires no doctors, drugs, or other outside intervention. It costs practically nothing. Clinical tests have confirmed these four steps can cure HIV (AIDS), CANCER, HEPATITIS, LUPUS, EPSTEIN-BARR, GULF WAR SYNDROME, GIARDIA, CANDIDA, and even the common cold, plus most other known infectious diseases including ones for which there are no currently successful antibiotics, vaccines, or treatments. It is offered to humanity as a no-profit, information-only, empowerment for everyone who wishes to be healthy again. We have nothing for sale. this is part of the beck protocol i think you might be a little off! - Original Message - From: Nina Silver ni...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: CSGiardia - Original Message - From: Acmeair res00...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: CSGiardia ah!, we have another convert. a friend, who has been hearing my praises of CS, and is suffering from a case of lingering giardia, just bought an eight oz jar of 20 ppm CS. she asked about the dosage, and i don't have a clue. she has it, as does her 10 year old son.they've been thru the anti-biotic routine with the AMA boys, to no avail. would appreciate some help. have already tried the archives. thanks , jim O+, S Unless I'm mistaken, Colloidal Silver does not affect parasites such as amoebas and worms. Giardia is an amoeba. However, the CS will work on any bacteria or viruses that emerge from the parasites. Perhaps your friend will prove me wrong. I certainly hope so! Best, Nina Silver (no relation to Colloidal) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDr. Jon and the Generic Coop
I've bought supplements from the co-op. They've always arrived. I hate character assassination, especially anonymous. Where's the in depth history of the accuser? Gossip mongering! Despicable! Chuck I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:42:58 -0500, Nina Silver ni...@bestweb.net wrote: Folks, Those of you who have been buying your supplements from a place called The Generic Coop should take a look at these websites. The people who put these websites together did so with great dedication and a desire to help people make informed choices. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDr. Jon and the Generic Coop
Thanks Nina, Can't say that I am surprised, I did try and expose his misinformation to the list some time ago, hope nobody here gets burned! If you review his progress over the years, a recipe for creating a money making machine will be revealed, and I must say that he was very patient in its implementation. I first joined a list (to gain information on building an ozone generator) that he hosted about two years ago. After it was found to be simply a uv lamp in a box with a fan and not a serious instrument at all, members took the list in directions out of his control, whereupon he removed the ability of members to post, and turned it into a newsletter. This something he vehemently denies and accused me of lying when this matter came up in the course of an exchange of emails with him on this list I believe. His web site was a good source of information, none of which originated with him (but this was never acknowledged) and urged people to join his newsletter. With promises of $10,000 prizes and so on, his newsletter grew in circulation. It was not long before he launched a trial run using the 'miracle cure' Sam's Formula as the vehicle, and this eventually led to the formation of the generic coop. He probably would have got away with it, if only he had kept his mouth shut, and not tried to claim for himself protocols and items that some people knew quite a lot about, and had been straight and honest in his dealings. It seems very ironic to me that this empire will come crashing down around 'Dr Jon' because of his seemingly dubious and fraudulent behaviour. The web site and newsletter had value for those who read them, and If the same had been built by an honest and open person, then there is no reason why the generic coop could not have be a resounding and ongoing success and generate a tidy income for its owner. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: Nina Silver [mailto:ni...@bestweb.net] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 12:43 p.m. To: Silver List Subject: CSDr. Jon and the Generic Coop Folks, Those of you who have been buying your supplements from a place called The Generic Coop should take a look at these websites. The people who put these websites together did so with great dedication and a desire to help people make informed choices. http://www.genericcoop.com http://www.generic-coop.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPiggies
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. I like them too. After all, I`m a member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. I enjoyed some pig today... :o) Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe Dr. Jon and the Generic Coop
Thanks for the links, Nina. Helps to explain why my e-mail queries about advise for those non US residents seeking cheap supplements were never answered. Really sad - lots of apparently good advice at his site is now thrown into the questionable category. Original Message: Folks, Those of you who have been buying your supplements from a place called The Generic Coop should take a look at these websites. The people who put these websites together did so with great dedication and a desire to help people make informed choices. http://www.genericcoop.com http://www.generic-coop.com
Re: CSWent wrong
I think i must be making CS wrong or something. It just dosnt seem to perform as well as every says. Maybe it is the bubbler, dont know Take care damian At 03:37 PM 30/11/01 -0800, you wrote: whenever i bring milk home, i put a blub of CS in it right after its opened. it extends the life of the milk to about double before it spoils. i live alone and i don't throw milk out like i used to. nothing scientific, just practical - Original Message - From: Damian Corrin damian...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: CSWent wrong The milk both went of at the same time and the cs subject appeared to be worse. The cs i make uses 3 9v with a bubbler for around 3 hours. It is clear on finish. It tastes very metalic. The milk was kept at room temperature. Yes i could leave the testing up to independent laboratories, but as people are aware every one has a stake somewhere in the result and figures are easily changed to suit. I mean is the glass half empty or full. I think what im trying to get at rather than anything is that all this information has been written about how amazing cs is and how many things it can cure and kill, when an even balance of light hasnt been shone on what it cant do and what not to expect from it. That really was the whole point of the experiment and my posting. When something almost becomes like a religion it maybe necessary to step and rethink the whole. Anyhow thats my bit Take care Damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe Dr. Jon and the Generic Coop
At 01:45 PM 12/01/2001 +1100, you wrote: Thanks for the links, Nina. Helps to explain why my e-mail queries about advise for those non US residents seeking cheap supplements were never answered. Really sad - lots of apparently good advice at his site is now thrown into the questionable category. I read lots of the info about this Dr. Jon. Just called a friend that had ordered products from there. He did in fact get the products and seemed pleased with them. He did state that he had no idea about the quality or purity. If this guy is half as intelligent and all the bad press makes him appear, I would think he would try to pick on someone other that people like us, if in fact he plans to rip anyone off. I know... that if some doctor and pharmacy knowingly sold me some worthless medications, I would consider him guilty of attempted murder. Now I might be just as upset, or even moreso, if someone tampers with my supplements. At this point in time, does anyone have any evidence of criminal activity? Wayne
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- Original Message - From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: RE: CSCS prosystems James, The solubility of silver carbonate is about 30ppm, and so a solution containing Ag+ cations and CO3- anions will exist up to this level. There will be no negative consequences with ingesting this other than the release of CO2 gas when the AgCO3 meets the HCl in the stomach the reaction products most likely being AgCl + H2O and CO2. So probably one might have just as well have made their brew using NaCl. Ivan. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2001 9:16 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSCS prosystems Perhaps I may contribute in a small way. The initial conductivity of the water determines the current flow and rate of production. Ultra pure water---below about 1 PPM TDS will not produce much silver with some systems. A small amount sodium hydrogen carbonate solution is added to improve the conductivity. This similar to the natural rock minerals found in water. The baking soda per-se, if any remains in the finished silver, will have insignificant effect on human physiology. Perhaps a chemist can tell us the reaction of the carbonate with the silver, if any. I would like to see the predicted behavior of the entire system, and the associated physiology of the reactants. Nina, Ivan, Marshall, Bob Lee or others...? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: D G [mailto:rc_gli...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS prosystems The question of whether or not baking soda is acceptable is not clear. Explain to me why baking soda is a contaminant. That infers it is harmful. I want to know specifics from a bio-physiological perspective, not just generalized comments. From: j...@natel.net (John A. Stanley) Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS prosystems Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:21:21 -0600 In article f33c98bi89qtpftysl100016...@hotmail.com, D G rc_gli...@hotmail.com wrote: I would like to know why some have posted Dr. Marx's CS makers as inferior or substandard. He clearly is knowledgeable about the subject, and if I recall has received recognition from one CS society; I don't recall the name. I find his website quite informative and have spoken with him on occasion for unrelated subjects. Please be detailed in your critique as generalized statements don't sit well with me. I know nothing of the quality of design, components, and workmanship of his units, so I can not comment on whether they are inferior or substandard. But, from reading his website I can understand people having a problem with his advocating the addition of baking soda in the distilled water. The impression I get from reading the two CS forums is that the more well-informed view is that nothing should ever be used in the production of CS other than high quality DW and pure silver. Personally, I would never recommend anyone buy a CS generator that is designed and calibrated for use with a conductive contaminant. I don't know if Dr. Marx's units will work without baking soda, but the simple fact that he advocates the use of it would be enough for me to steer a potential buyer to a different unit. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: CSWent wrong
Evening damian, At 12:46 PM 12/01/2001 +1000, you wrote: I think i must be making CS wrong or something. It just dosnt seem to perform as well as every says. Maybe it is the bubbler, dont know I don't even use a bubbler. They are not required to make effective CS. Can't you find some live creatures for testing, preferably humans? Gee, everyone around me is sick and ailing with something or the other. I suspect your testing methods may not be fully compatible with your CS. Very soon I plan to test some water organisms with my CS. I have a nice new microscope with a digital camera built in, but have been too busy to do much experimenting. Can anyone suggest a test for me to do with some bacteria and the microscope? I have up to 1000 power. Most of what I have done so far is to study blood cells at 400 and 1000 power. When and if I can do anything worthwhile with this toy, I can post pictures on my website for anyone to see that is interesting. So far, I have seen a lot of deformed blood cells and a few healthy ones. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe Dr. Jon and the Generic Coop
I don't think anybody is suggesting that the supplements supplied are anything other than specified... although the independent analysis promised has not been forthcoming. What is suggested is summed up by the final paragraph on the linked sites: Many of us are deeply saddened by this revelation. The premise of the Generic Co-op was to provide low-cost, high quality, laboratory tested, vitamins and supplements, (with an affiliate program) for the public. The affiliates were to receive a small referral fee which, while not making us rich, may have brought us a small monthly income. We wish that things had worked out differently. We are left with a deep feeling of betrayal by the apparent deception of Stewart Fason (a.k.a. Dr. Jon Brooks M.D.). He portrayed his business venture as helping humanity. In reality, he is just another entrepreneur preying on unsuspecting people. Hiding behind aliases, weaving alternative medical information with a philanthropic spin, to make a profit! Ivan -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 4:21 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe Dr. Jon and the Generic Coop At 01:45 PM 12/01/2001 +1100, you wrote: Thanks for the links, Nina. Helps to explain why my e-mail queries about advise for those non US residents seeking cheap supplements were never answered. Really sad - lots of apparently good advice at his site is now thrown into the questionable category. I read lots of the info about this Dr. Jon. Just called a friend that had ordered products from there. He did in fact get the products and seemed pleased with them. He did state that he had no idea about the quality or purity. If this guy is half as intelligent and all the bad press makes him appear, I would think he would try to pick on someone other that people like us, if in fact he plans to rip anyone off. I know... that if some doctor and pharmacy knowingly sold me some worthless medications, I would consider him guilty of attempted murder. Now I might be just as upset, or even moreso, if someone tampers with my supplements. At this point in time, does anyone have any evidence of criminal activity? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
