Re: CSEmphysema
Dear Leo, Emphysema responds well to taking CS orally. Here's the protocol I followed with a friend: 1 tablespoon CS twice a day 1 6x silica tissue salt tablet 3 times a day [homoeopathic remedy to remove gunk] 10 drops of Oxyrich in a glass of water sipped throughout the day. Take a good sip of the water/Oxyrich mixture and hold it in the mouth for about 2 minutes WITH THE TONGUE FLOATING. Then swallow - it should be tasteless. If you swallow too soon, you will taste a chlorine-like taste and will get painful wind in the stomach. The oxygen is absorbed by the blood vessels under the tongue, thus going directly into the blood stream. Continue for 2-3 months. Judith. I have seen comments on inhaled CS for asthma, but I haven't seen any comments on the effectiveness of inhaled CS for emphysema. Any reason for that? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBetr.: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils
Hello Terry and other members. I think your two cents correct but I have still a question on high blood pressure. What is the best way to handle high blood pressure? My best friend 49 years old was until a year ago a very healthy person. Then he started feeling not so good sometimes blurred sight on his right eye, high blood (185 over 115). After long discussions with his house-doctor he was allowed to go to the hospital. He's had several investigation but nothing was found. Conclusion there's nothing wrong with you. Now he get medication (antical) for high blood pressure. This makes him not feel good and he's worrying to death. Please what's your advice? thanks from me and my friend Jef tcj...@yahoo.ca 08-01-02 17:31 The whole issue of healthy vs unhealthy oils can be put in perspective by scrutinizing historical use. I am sure there were intelligent and educated scientists who have been objecting to the cholesterol myth for the last 100 years. If cholesterol causes heart disease, why aren't the Inuuit Eskimo indians dying like flies? They live on whale and seal blubber all winter. (Hubby dear, tonite for supper we're having whale blubber steaks simmered in a tasty cholesterol gravy!) We all know the theory, we have been indoctrinated all our lives: If you eat too much cholesterol, the excess cholesterol that your body doesn't use will float around in your blood and, because it is a sticky fat, will adhere to the sides of your arteries. As this process progresses, the opening in the artery becomes smaller, and insufficient blood can flow through to your heart, brain and other organs. If you go to a doctor and ask him to test you for your cholesterol level, he takes some blood out of your arm and sends it to the laboratory, where they check the cholesterol level in your blood. Now think about this: When he takes the blood out of your arm, what does he take blood from, an artery or a vein? He takes it from a vein. Ever heard of hardening of the veins? Veinerosclerosis? Why doesn't the sticky cholesterol adhere to the sides of your veins? It's because the cholesterol is SUPPOSED to adhere to the sides of your arteries, your body WANTS it to. Dr. Reams explained it this way: When you do not give your body the minerals it needs in food or supplements, your body will scavenge for those minerals within itself. If you have one type of biochemical imbalance (I see it regularly) your body will leach minerals from the walls of your arteries. (In another type, from joints and bones.) Why the walls of the arteries? Because the walls of the arteries are surrounded by a layer of muscle tissue (there to dilate or constrict your arteries to regulate blood pressure), and this muscle tissue is a rich source of minerals for the body to access. As time goes by, the artery walls begin to get thin, and the body says to itself, Oops! Problem here! One of these arteries may burst and I might have an embolism or an aneurysm! I better fix this. So the body mixes up a batch of cement, which it plasters on the walls of the arteries. This cement does indeed strengthen the artery walls, but the cement is rigid and inflexible, so the arteries cannot dilate or constrict. So the first sign of heart disease is high or low blood pressure, indicating the artery's inflexibility. (This is not actually the first sign, just the first one a doctor would notice.) By the way, guess what a major ingredient is in this cement? Yep. Cholesterol, produced by the liver, not from foods. What happens when you begin giving your body the minerals it needs? It rebuilds the mineral-stripped artery walls and removes the plaque that isn't needed anymore. What is most amazing to me is how, in the face of the fact that whole civilizations have lived for thousands of years on a diet heavy with olive or corn or coconut oil, and never even heard of heart disease, the medical gurus tell us that now, suddenly (within one generation) these same oils CAUSE heart disease! Of course, even the best oils stop being good when cooked to death, or have their very genes adjusted. Dr. Weston Price, in his 9-year long trek all over the world visiting primitive societies, found that the healthiest societies (experiencing a level of health unheard-of in western society) were the ones who ate the MOST saturated fats! They also ate foods grown in mineral-rich soil, irrigated with water that was thick with minerals. Dr. Reams was saying for a long time (since the 30's) that olive and corn (before it became frankenstein oil) were the best oils. Nut and seed oils had good nutrients in them, but were difficult to digest. I believe in coconut oil because of its historical usage, and the health of the societies that used it. That's my two cents. Terry Chamberlin. __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of
CSRe: [CSBetr.: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils]
Supplementing with magnesium can help. But what would be addressing the root cause, I think, would be a low carbohydrate/high (actually adequate) protein diet. A good explanation of why that kind of diet could help is http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm. By the way, Dr. Enig (a lipid scientist researcher) doesn't agree with the article's author's statements about saturated fats. Here's what she said about that: If the fat in the diet is low in saturated fat, it is by definition high in unsaturated fat; and the research shows that in many circumstances this is not an appropriate way to preserve proper physiological balance. For example, H Gerster (Can adults adequately convert alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) to eicosapentaenoic acid (20:5n-3) and docosahexaenoic acid (22:6n-3)? Int J Vitam Nutr Res 1998;68(3):159-73.) used radiolabeled fatty acids and determined that the conversion of the basic omega-3 (alpha-linolenic acid) to the elongated omega-3 (EPA and DHA) was better when there was a background diet high in saturated fat than when there was higher omega-6 in the diet. With a diet rich in n-6 PUFA, conversion is reduced by 40 to 50%. Since the elongated (fish oil type) omega-3 are recognized as important, anything that would improve the conversion is better than something that impedes the conversion. There are also research papers that show the problems caused by too highly unsaturated fats in the diet are corrected when some saturates are added back. I touch on some of this in my book Know Your Fats. Human adipose tissue across the world seems to always be about 40 percent saturated fatty acids. About the same amount of saturates as are found in lard. They both also have more monounsaturated fatty acids than saturated fatty acids. The human body is quite efficient in converting saturated fat to monounsaturated fat when the level of the former gets high. Actually, the unsaturated fatty acids are burned more quickly that the saturated fatty acids. Incidentally, one place where saturated fatty acids are preferentially burned for energy is the heart. Some of the research being touted as reflecting a bad effect from saturated fat, is in fact being caused by trans fat; and the two are not the same. Roman Jef Ackermans j...@iles.azm.nl wrote: Hello Terry and other members. I think your two cents correct but I have still a question on high blood pressure. What is the best way to handle high blood pressure? My best friend 49 years old was until a year ago a very healthy person. Then he started feeling not so good sometimes blurred sight on his right eye, high blood (185 over 115). After long discussions with his house-doctor he was allowed to go to the hospital. He's had several investigation but nothing was found. Conclusion there's nothing wrong with you. Now he get medication (antical) for high blood pressure. This makes him not feel good and he's worrying to death. Please what's your advice? thanks from me and my friend Jef Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Email Address
Would you reccommend this over Zone Alarm which also has a free version/ In a message dated 01/08/2002 6:45:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, ian_onta...@hotmail.com writes: Sybergen Basic Personal Fire wall is free if you use it for personal use - if you use it commercially - you have to purchase a site license. Also, the pro version comes with a price but the pro is not necessary. Quote Free for Home Use. 30-Day Trial for Business Use
Re: CSNew Email Address
Apologies Ian; is indeed free FPY. Annoying though - no indication of that accept for one small comment on download page. regards, Kevin Nolan - Original Message - From: Ian Roe To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: CSNew Email Address Sybergen Basic Personal Fire wall is free if you use it for personal use - if you use it commercially - you have to purchase a site license. Also, the pro version comes with a price but the pro is not necessary. Quote Free for Home Use. 30-Day Trial for Business Use - Original Message - From: Kevin Nolan To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: CSNew Email Address It's NOT free! http://www.sybergen.com/swat/buy/spf_pricing.htm. Kevin Nolan - Original Message - From: Ian Roe To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: CSNew Email Address Also, there is a free firewall program at www.sybergen.com that is very good. ...
CSMSM/molybdenum
Duncan Crow said: MSM at high doses can cause molybdenum deficiency. Duncan, Where did you get this info? Do you have any references? Web sites? Books? __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #31
Pls. unsubscribe - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #31 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Email Address
Don't know zone alarm but Sybergen get's their blessings - Original Message - From: wong...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: Re: CSNew Email Address Would you reccommend this over Zone Alarm which also has a free version/ In a message dated 01/08/2002 6:45:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, ian_onta...@hotmail.com writes: Sybergen Basic Personal Fire wall is free if you use it for personal use - if you use it commercially - you have to purchase a site license. Also, the pro version comes with a price but the pro is not necessary. Quote Free for Home Use. 30-Day Trial for Business Use
Re: CSNew Email Address
No, of course not, they are trying to make money. Their home network product cost me $49 - it works great. I tried for days to use Windows to setup internet sharing. With sybergen home network, I had it all working within 1/2 hour.
CS CFS
Dear list.. I found the following about CFS. Sounds like CS would be well worth a try. If anyone has suggestions on how much , how often , and for how long,I'd appreciate hearing,as the lady I know who has been diagnosed with CFS is going down the tube and the family is falling apart. Thanks 10/28/98 NEW HYPOTHESIS PROPOSED FOR CAUSE OF CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Researchers here have proposed a new theory for the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) -- one that blames the illness both on a low-level viral infection and on the body's own immune response to that virus. If true, it would offer an explanation for why virologists so far haven't found evidence of a common virus when looking at a population of CFS patients. The hypothesis was included in a paper published in the current issue of the American Journal of Medicine. The new theory, proposed by Ronald Glaser, professor of medical microbiology and immunology, and Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology and psychiatry at Ohio State University, is the latest work in more than two decades of their research on the effects of stress on the human immune system. Our data suggests that stress may be causing the expression of certain viral proteins and that these proteins may be modulating the body's immune response, turning it on or off, Glaser said. CFS was first characterized by researchers in the mid-1980s who described it as a combination of symptoms including low-grade fevers, body aches, malaise, and depression among other signs. The condition seems more prevalent among young adult women. Those diagnosed with CFS often experience stress and depression. Symptoms routinely linger for six months or more and may continue for years. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that CFS may affect anywhere from four to 10 of every 100,000 people in the United States. Other researchers have reported higher-than-normal titers of antibodies to various latent viruses -- Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, human herpes virus 6, for example -- in the blood of patients diagnosed as having CFS. But no one viral infection was present in all patients -- evidence that would be needed to prove a viral cause of the illness. The Ohio State researchers' new theory poses several mechanisms that might be linked to CFS. Once a person is infected, these viruses can remain latent in the body for long periods of time. Glaser proposes that the viruses could be partially reactivated, that is, viral proteins could be produced at levels high enough to cause a low-grade infection but too low to be seen using current laboratory assays. Glaser and Kiecolt-Glaser suggest that CFS patients may experience an ongoing, low-grade viral infection -- more like a smoldering fire rather than a three-alarm blaze -- which could stimulate parts of the immune response without raising antibody titers to typically high levels. That low-grade infection would be enough to increase production of various cytokines -- chemical mediators for the immune system -- and begin the immune response. A lot of the symptoms that you find in chronic fatigue syndrome are the same ones induced by cytokines during our normal immune response, Glaser said. He admits that studies of patients have yet to show a pattern of abnormal cytokine behavior that would substantiate their theory but he has an explanation for that. We haven't discovered all the cytokines involved in immunity. We may not have found the right one, yet, he said, adding that new cytokines are steadily being identified. Stress and depression may be playing a related role as well, Kiecolt-Glaser said. Earlier research has repeatedly shown that increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem, Kiecolt-Glaser said. People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken our immune response. Glaser said researchers need to reconsider past work on CFS. We need to look for immune system changes that are much more subtle and specific than those we've been using as benchmarks, he said. # Contact: Ronald Glaser, (614) 292-5526; glase...@osu.edu; Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, (614) 293-5120, kiecolt-glase...@osu.edu Written by Earle Holland, (614) 292-8384; hollan...@osu.edu larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to:
Re: CSFiltering CS
Some folks think the silver oxide particles that form are a problem in some way. Well, I`ve never filtered my CS, and in 6 years, no problems. I don`t heat, or stir, the water either, I`m too lazy...It still works! Marshalee I've noticed that several people talk about filtering the completed CS after the brewing is completed. What is it that we need to filter out? What is it that settles to the bottom? Thanks, Roger Ragain Cahokia, Illinois United States of America E-mail: rrag...@juno.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblood pressure
Potassium (K) is the key to lower blood pressure. One needs to have 4 times the amount of Potassium than Sodium. There`s a book called The K Factor that explains it all. Marshalee Hello Terry and other members. I think your two cents correct but I have still a question on high blood pressure. What is the best way to handle high blood pressure? My best friend 49 years old was until a year ago a very healthy person. Then he started feeling not so good sometimes blurred sight on his right eye, high blood (185 over 115). After long discussions with his house-doctor he was allowed to go to the hospital. He's had several investigation but nothing was found. Conclusion there's nothing wrong with you. Now he get medication (antical) for high blood pressure. This makes him not feel good and he's worrying to death. Please what's your advice? thanks from me and my friend Jef tcj...@yahoo.ca 08-01-02 17:31 The whole issue of healthy vs unhealthy oils can be put in perspective by scrutinizing historical use. I am sure there were intelligent and educated scientists who have been objecting to the cholesterol myth for the last 100 years. If cholesterol causes heart disease, why aren't the Inuuit Eskimo indians dying like flies? They live on whale and seal blubber all winter. (Hubby dear, tonite for supper we're having whale blubber steaks simmered in a tasty cholesterol gravy!) We all know the theory, we have been indoctrinated all our lives: If you eat too much cholesterol, the excess cholesterol that your body doesn't use will float around in your blood and, because it is a sticky fat, will adhere to the sides of your arteries. As this process progresses, the opening in the artery becomes smaller, and insufficient blood can flow through to your heart, brain and other organs. If you go to a doctor and ask him to test you for your cholesterol level, he takes some blood out of your arm and sends it to the laboratory, where they check the cholesterol level in your blood. Now think about this: When he takes the blood out of your arm, what does he take blood from, an artery or a vein? He takes it from a vein. Ever heard of hardening of the veins? Veinerosclerosis? Why doesn't the sticky cholesterol adhere to the sides of your veins? It's because the cholesterol is SUPPOSED to adhere to the sides of your arteries, your body WANTS it to. Dr. Reams explained it this way: When you do not give your body the minerals it needs in food or supplements, your body will scavenge for those minerals within itself. If you have one type of biochemical imbalance (I see it regularly) your body will leach minerals from the walls of your arteries. (In another type, from joints and bones.) Why the walls of the arteries? Because the walls of the arteries are surrounded by a layer of muscle tissue (there to dilate or constrict your arteries to regulate blood pressure), and this muscle tissue is a rich source of minerals for the body to access. As time goes by, the artery walls begin to get thin, and the body says to itself, Oops! Problem here! One of these arteries may burst and I might have an embolism or an aneurysm! I better fix this. So the body mixes up a batch of cement, which it plasters on the walls of the arteries. This cement does indeed strengthen the artery walls, but the cement is rigid and inflexible, so the arteries cannot dilate or constrict. So the first sign of heart disease is high or low blood pressure, indicating the artery's inflexibility. (This is not actually the first sign, just the first one a doctor would notice.) By the way, guess what a major ingredient is in this cement? Yep. Cholesterol, produced by the liver, not from foods. What happens when you begin giving your body the minerals it needs? It rebuilds the mineral-stripped artery walls and removes the plaque that isn't needed anymore. What is most amazing to me is how, in the face of the fact that whole civilizations have lived for thousands of years on a diet heavy with olive or corn or coconut oil, and never even heard of heart disease, the medical gurus tell us that now, suddenly (within one generation) these same oils CAUSE heart disease! Of course, even the best oils stop being good when cooked to death, or have their very genes adjusted. Dr. Weston Price, in his 9-year long trek all over the world visiting primitive societies, found that the healthiest societies (experiencing a level of health unheard-of in western society) were the ones who ate the MOST saturated fats! They also ate foods grown in mineral-rich soil, irrigated with water that was thick with minerals. Dr. Reams was saying for a long time (since the 30's) that olive and corn (before it became frankenstein oil) were the best oils. Nut and seed oils had good nutrients in them, but were difficult to digest. I believe in coconut oil because of its historical usage, and the health of the societies that
Re: CSLyme disease
Here is the link for the 777 CS maker, it is automatic and very dependabal..I have had mine for a couple urs now and its greathttp://wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator.html telt...@home.com Dave Darrin wrote: Roger I bought my generator from synergenesis. I've been looking for a link for you but haven't had any luck. Just search for synergenesis in your search engine and you will probably find it. I use ixquick for a search engine and it found it immediately. The generator is their model 777 for around 120.00 It comes with silver electrodes that are 1/2 inch wide by 6 in. long, in my opinion much better than the wires others here use. Roger D Ragain wrote: Hello Dave, You wrote: Nancy: You are just spinning your wheels with special bottles. Plain old canning jars do the job just fine. I make mine in a sun tea jar that holds a gallon and has a spigot on the side that lets me decant the cs without filtering. My generator switches polarity every 55 seconds so I never have to clean my electrodes. I fill the jar in the mid afternoon and wake up the next morning to a gallon of cs. I then put it in quart canning jars and put them in my cupboard. The amount left in the sun tea jar becomes the starter for the next batch. About once a month I wipe out the sun tea jar with a fist full of paper towels and start over. It might take a day or more to make the first batch without any starter, it depends on the purity of your distilled water. This is so much simpler than all the watching and stirring that others here recommend . Dave Dave, I have been wanting to buy a cs generator but didn't want to make a small batch everytime . I would be interested in knowing where you purchased yours i.e...website or telephone number,name of generator,price etc. A gallon is closer to what I would like to make at one setting. Thanks, Roger Ragain Cahokia, Illinois United States of America E-mail: rrag...@juno.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: The Soft Science of Dietary Fat, Part 1 of 2
I found the following article very interesting. And very long. Originally from Science magazine. Science 2001 Mar 30;291(5513):2536-45 NUTRITION: The Soft Science of Dietary Fat Gary Taubes Mainstream nutritional science has demonized dietary fat, yet 50 years and hundreds of millions of dollars of research have failed to prove that eating a low-fat diet will help you live longer. When the U.S. Surgeon General's Office set off in 1988 to write the definitive report on the dangers of dietary fat, the scientific task appeared straightforward. Four years earlier, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) had begun advising every American old enough to walk to restrict fat intake, and the president of the American Heart Association (AHA) had told Time magazine that if everyone went along, we will have [atherosclerosis] conquered by the year 2000. The Surgeon General's Office itself had just published its 700-page landmark Report on Nutrition and Health, declaring fat the single most unwholesome component of the American diet. All of this was apparently based on sound science. So the task before the project officer was merely to gather that science together in one volume, have it reviewed by a committee of experts, which had been promptly established, and publish it. The project did not go smoothly, however. Four project officers came and went over the next decade. It consumed project officers, says Marion Nestle, who helped launch the project and now runs the nutrition and food studies department at New York University (NYU). Members of the oversight committee saw drafts of an early chapter or two, criticized them vigorously, and then saw little else. Finally, in June 1999, 11 years after the project began, the Surgeon General's Office circulated a letter, authored by the last of the project officers, explaining that the report would be killed. There was no other public announcement and no press release. The letter explained that the relevant administrators did not anticipate fully the magnitude of the additional external expertise and staff resources that would be needed. In other words, says Nestle, the subject matter was too complicated. Bill Harlan, a member of the oversight committee and associate director of the Office of Disease Prevention at NIH, says the report was initiated with a preconceived opinion of the conclusions, but the science behind those opinions was not holding up. Clearly the thoughts of yesterday were not going to serve us very well. During the past 30 years, the concept of eating healthy in America has become synonymous with avoiding dietary fat. The creation and marketing of reduced-fat food products has become big business; over 15,000 have appeared on supermarket shelves. Indeed, an entire research industry has arisen to create palatable nonfat fat substitutes, and the food industry now spends billions of dollars yearly selling the less-fat-is-good-health message. The government weighs in as well, with the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA's) booklet on dietary guidelines, published every 5 years, and its ubiquitous Food Guide Pyramid, which recommends that fats and oils be eaten sparingly. The low-fat gospel spreads farther by a kind of societal osmosis, continuously reinforced by physicians, nutritionists, journalists, health organizations, and consumer advocacy groups such as the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which refers to fat as this greasy killer. In America, we no longer fear God or the communists, but we fear fat, says David Kritchevsky of the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, who in 1958 wrote the first textbook on cholesterol. As the Surgeon General's Office discovered, however, the science of dietary fat is not nearly as simple as it once appeared. The proposition, now 50 years old, that dietary fat is a bane to health is based chiefly on the fact that fat, specifically the hard, saturated fat found primarily in meat and dairy products, elevates blood cholesterol levels. This in turn raises the likelihood that cholesterol will clog arteries, a condition known as atherosclerosis, which then increases risk of coronary artery disease, heart attack, and untimely death. By the 1970s, each individual step of this chain from fat to cholesterol to heart disease had been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt, but the veracity of the chain as a whole has never been proven. In other words, despite decades of research, it is still a debatable proposition whether the consumption of saturated fats above recommended levels (step one in the chain) by anyone who's not already at high risk of heart disease will increase the likelihood of untimely death (outcome three). Nor have hundreds of millions of dollars in trials managed to generate compelling evidence that healthy individuals can extend their lives by more than a few weeks, if that, by eating less fat (see sidebar on p. 2538 /cgi/content/short/291/5513/2538). To put it simply, the data remain ambiguous as
CSOT: The Soft Science of Dietary Fat, Part 2 of 2
The test of time To the outside observer, the challenge in making sense of any such long-running scientific controversy is to establish whether the skeptics are simply on the wrong side of the new paradigm, or whether their skepticism is well founded. In other words, is the science at issue based on sound scientific thinking and unambiguous data, or is it what Sir Francis Bacon, for instance, would have called wishful science, based on fancies, opinions, and the exclusion of contrary evidence? Bacon offered one viable suggestion for differentiating the two: the test of time. Good science is rooted in reality, so it grows and develops and the evidence gets increasingly more compelling, whereas wishful science flourishes most under its first authors before going downhill. Such is the case, for instance, with the proposition that dietary fat causes cancer, which was an integral part of dietary fat anxiety in the late 1970s. By 1982, the evidence supporting this idea was thought to be so undeniable that a landmark NAS report on nutrition and cancer equated those researchers who remained skeptical with certain interested parties [who] formerly argued that the association between lung cancer and smoking was not causational. Fifteen years and hundreds of millions of research dollars later, a similarly massive expert report by the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research could find neither convincing nor even probable reason to believe that dietary fat caused cancer. The hypothesis that low-fat diets are the requisite route to weight loss has taken a similar downward path. This was the ultimate fallback position in all low-fat recommendations: Fat has nine calories per gram compared to four calories for carbohydrates and protein, and so cutting fat from the diet surely would cut pounds. This is held almost to be a religious truth, says Harvard's Willett. Considerable data, however, now suggest otherwise. The results of well-controlled clinical trials are consistent: People on low-fat diets initially lose a couple of kilograms, as they would on any diet, and then the weight tends to return. After 1 to 2 years, little has been achieved. Consider, for instance, the 50,000 women enrolled in the ongoing $100 million Women's Health Initiative (WHI). Half of these women have been extensively counseled to consume only 20% of their calories from fat. After 3 years on this near-draconian regime, say WHI sources, the women had lost, on average, a kilogram each. The link between dietary fat and heart disease is more complicated, because the hypothesis has diverged into two distinct propositions: first, that lowering cholesterol prevents heart disease; second, that eating less fat not only lowers cholesterol and prevents heart disease but prolongs life. Since 1984, the evidence that cholesterol-lowering drugs are beneficial--proposition number one--has indeed blossomed, at least for those at high risk of heart attack. These drugs reduce serum cholesterol levels dramatically, and they prevent heart attacks, perhaps by other means as well. Their market has now reached $4 billion a year in the United States alone, and every new trial seems to confirm their benefits. The evidence supporting the second proposition, that eating less fat makes for a healthier and longer life, however, has remained stubbornly ambiguous. If anything, it has only become less compelling over time. Indeed, since Ancel Keys started advocating low-fat diets almost 50 years ago, the science of fat and cholesterol has evolved from a simple story into a very complicated one. The catch has been that few involved in this business were prepared to deal with a complicated story. Researchers initially preferred to believe it was simple--that a single unwholesome nutrient, in effect, could be isolated from the diverse richness of human diets; public health administrators required a simple story to give to Congress and the public; and the press needed a simple story--at least on any particular day--to give to editors and readers in 30 column inches. But as contrarian data continued to accumulate, the complications became increasingly more difficult to ignore or exclude, and the press began waffling or adding caveats. The scientists then got the blame for not sticking to the original simple story, which had, regrettably, never existed. More fats, fewer answers The original simple story in the 1950s was that high cholesterol levels increase heart disease risk. The seminal Framingham Heart Study, for instance, which revealed the association between cholesterol and heart disease, originally measured only total serum cholesterol. But cholesterol shuttles through the blood in an array of packages. Low-density lipoprotein particles (LDL, the bad cholesterol) deliver fat and cholesterol from the liver to tissues that need it, including the arterial cells, where it can lead to atherosclerotic plaques. High-density lipoproteins (HDLs, the
Re: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils
Kathryn; Maybe a solution is to build a green house that you can open windows on roof and sides and put fine screen on inside. Then spray the screen with a organic bug killer. or water from inside. Put in some grow lights maybe.The sun from open top and sides with screen will come in . Screens should keep out most all bugs and seeds. Don't have any trees next to or close to fence for animals to get into and jump or drop in on you uninvited. Set some traps out side in any trees for the cougars etc. Small traps for rodents and cyotee's. Well, I guess we just can't win sometimes. There seems to be something that we will always not think of when we try our best to think we have a solution to things. The world is not what it used to be. Too many out there trying to reap rewards off others even if it is not a good way. Wash all your vegies etc with a safe soap. Can use a small amount of bleach or can use vinigar also I was told. Then rinse with water I used to use basic H from Shakley Products but haven't found a dealer etc around here. Another thing is PRAY Harder. Build it with sides down into earth about 1 or more feet.. Put in doors with plate glass etc. Hang noisy cans etc and flapping pieces of noisy material and turn on lights at night. If the cost of this don't get to you, the wild world out there will. Maxine -Original Message- From: Kathryn Neff n...@ricc.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils Terry: I find your two cents worth an eye-opener and thought provoking.Who is Dr. Reams and the other man you spoke of..have they written an article or book that we might read...or do they have a web page? Since I have moved to the mountains, have land that is chemical free, and pump water from a pure mountain stream with it source being a mile and a half flowing out of the side of a mountain,...I think of raising my own food, especially since I like to juiceI have thought about the minerals and the quality of food that I might haveI took a 150 x 70 foot parcel, built a 7 ft. fence around it(because of deer), bought a troy-built tiller(heavy duty since I have a lot of rocks) and began to garden..my biggest problem is WEEDS AND GRASS..they are overwhelming.if I had to live on what I can grow, I would get hungry..the veggies grow very very well, but so do the weeds and grass.so I make a 90 mile round trip to a little town to buy my food and say its not worth all the work to grow that stuff, but when I get the food home, I see the wax on all of the stuff.looked at some of the crates and boxes that some of the veggies come in, and see that they are sprayed with wax or oil and a pesticide ...guess that protects them while they are in the warehouse or being shipped..if I dare read the labels on other products in the store, they all look toxic and unreal...I have heard that most of the organic veggies grown are sprayed after they leave the grower's farm and are stored for shipment...I do not know if that is true or not. When I think about how a plant grows, draws it nutrients from the soil...and I think about the grower's soil...one cannot help but think about what kind of plant we are eating.. So now, I look at my garden through January eyes and think about tilling up the whole thing and starting over with the planting..there is so much wild life out here, the place is alive with birds, butterflies, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, deer, bugs, ants, mice, snakes, cougars, mountain lions, fox. (yes, I found a fox digging in my potatoes).. perhaps I should just plant enough for everyone to eat!! A friend planted a small garden, rock wall around it, put in a drip system, and that expensive cloth that is weed-proof..by the end of the season the seeds from the grass and weeds had become air-borne and landed on top of his mulch and anti-weed cloth and took root and grew into the top of the cloth and then into the earthHe has a thick mat of grass that he will have a hard time ripping out of there! I am sure most of us are mineral deficient and am not sure where there is any good healthy food.. On a more serious note, does anyone know if using a solution of CS on your plants would be of benefit? Or does it do something the healthy status of the soil? Would be my luck, that using CS would develop a super bug that would be too big to crawl through the fence, and would be able to open the gate, carrying out my vegetables for later. Perhaps, I should just juice weeds! Kathy - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils The whole issue of healthy vs unhealthy oils can be put in perspective by scrutinizing historical use. I am sure there were intelligent and educated
Re: CSSuccess!!! {I hope?}
Hi James;
Sorry I didn't save the cite - just a tidbit.
Here's an indirect reference:
Molybdenum is necessary for...
Sulfite oxidase catalyses the oxidation of sulfite to sulfate, necessary
for metabolism of sulfur amino acids. Sulfite oxidase deficiency or absence
leads to neurological symptoms and early death.
[Turnlund et al., 1995.]
A well-rounded mineral supplement, or up to about 15 mg molybdenum is all
that's required, especially if the MSM supplement is over a gram or so a
day.
| MSM at high doses can cause molybdenum deficiency
|
| Any cites on that Duncan? What is a high dose? And for what period of
| time?
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
| James-Osbourne: Holmes
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Duncan Crow [mailto:duncanc...@yahoo.com]
| Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:14 PM
| To: silver-list@eskimo.com
| Subject: Re: CSSuccess!!! {I hope?}
|
| Hi Robb;
|
| MSM at high doses can cause molybdenum deficiency. Take an organic mineral
| supplement like that mined from cambrian leaf litter or the ocean floor.
We
| are all mineral deficient anyway, and as Linus Pauling pointed out, every
| diseases and every ailment is linked to a mineral deficiency. The minerals
| are required for many things including building your enzymes that you need
| to survive.
|
| Increasing your GSH levels as well will result in a seeming miracle. Then
| you'll be cutting your vitamin C to a gram or so a day.
|
| Duncan Crow
|
|
| Here's what I decided to do: Cs every 2
| | hours {about 8 ounces}, 2000 mg vitamin C every two hours, 2000 mg MSM
| every
| | two hours.
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Re: CSNew Email Address
Have had ZA for 2 years and love it. It's was rated #1, I believe along with another one...name forgotten. without prejudice jcbarton - Original Message - From: Ian Roe To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:54 AM Subject: Re: CSNew Email Address Don't know zone alarm but Sybergen get's their blessings - Original Message - From: wong...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: Re: CSNew Email Address Would you reccommend this over Zone Alarm which also has a free version/ In a message dated 01/08/2002 6:45:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, ian_onta...@hotmail.com writes: Sybergen Basic Personal Fire wall is free if you use it for personal use - if you use it commercially - you have to purchase a site license. Also, the pro version comes with a price but the pro is not necessary. Quote Free for Home Use. 30-Day Trial for Business Use
CSoils
One way to inhibit oxidation of bottled oils, i.e., olive, etc., is to break open a capsule of vit e and put in bottle and mix. Also, ginger is good for preventing oil oxidation problems once ingested. Excellent read: Beyond Aspirin. Forget authors name...loaned book out. without prejudice jcbarton
Re: CS sites
Connie: Some CS sites I have. jcbarton - Original Message - From: Connie wufn...@stargate.net To: silver- list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: CSJason Would you please post the URL for you website again. Any other sites with just silver data would also be appreciated. TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Caution.url Description: Binary data About Antimicrobial Electro Colloidal Silver CS Generators - Facts, Fallacies Links.url Description: Binary data COLLOIDAL SILVER BY CS PRO.url Description: Binary data
Re: CSBetr.: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils
Hello Jef, Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 3:53:06 AM, you wrote: JA Hello Terry and other members. JA I think your two cents correct but I have still a question on high blood pressure. What is the best way to handle high blood pressure? My best friend 49 years old was until a year ago a very JA healthy person. Then he started feeling not so good sometimes blurred sight on his right eye, high blood (185 over 115). After long discussions with his house-doctor he was allowed to go to the JA hospital. He's had several investigation but nothing was found. Conclusion there's nothing wrong with you. Now he get medication (antical) for high blood pressure. This makes him not feel good JA and he's worrying to death. Please what's your advice? JA thanks from me and my friend The fastest, most positive, and most assured fix for high blood pressure is EDTA chealtion via IV. Anyone who doubts this can ask Ole Bob, or Brooks Bradley, or read the book Bypassing Bypass, by Dr. Elmer Cranton, M.D. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: CSoils and lipid peroxidation disease
Put vit-e in the bottle of flax. jcbarton - Original Message - From: Kevin Nolan To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: CSFw: CSoils and lipid peroxidation disease Well now at least I know what greg Watson looks like. Not saying there is a vested interest in his info at http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/ (listed below), but so happens I was just yesterday given his name as the soon-to-be distributor of CNO in Australia: Kevin, Greg Watson in Adelaide is going to become our Australian distributor, and he should have some stock soon. So please contact him. I have cc'ed him in this email. Thanks, Brian Shilhavy Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. http://www.coconut-info.com; Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au Original Message: Hi bob and everyone else who takes Flax oil I grind mine like you do bob, but I thought you might be interested in this opinion. This person knows a lot about EFA's and flax oil. Hi Tracy, For healthy folks, I would NEVER suggest use of any more than 2 tablespoons of ground flax and would now NEVER suggest the use of flax oil for healthy folks. Too much chance for damage / peroxidation / rancidity in processing and too much Omega LNA at one time, a one place. This much Omega 3 LNA, in oil may overload localized capacity to supply enough Vit E to protect the Omega 3 LNA from free radical attack inside the body and cause a high level of damaged LDL to be produced. However if you have cancer, pour on the LNA and let the damaged LNA destroy the membranes around the cancer cells. The spreadsheets referenced in the posting were made by me. Good Health Long Life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowat...@solutionone.com.au USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe
Re: CS sites
CSA. sites I have found and 1 MSM site. attachments jcbarton - Original Message - From: james barton jcbar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: CS sites Connie: Some CS sites I have. jcbarton - Original Message - From: Connie wufn...@stargate.net To: silver- list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: CSJason Would you please post the URL for you website again. Any other sites with just silver data would also be appreciated. TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com About Antimicrobial Electro Colloidal Silver CS Generators - Facts, Fallacies Links.url Description: Binary data COLLOIDAL SILVER BY CS PRO.url Description: Binary data MSMPage.url Description: Binary data Caution.url Description: Binary data Collodial Silver Information.url Description: Binary data Colloidal Silver Generators A Closer Look by Peter Lindemann.url Description: Binary data Colloidal Silver Generators Particle Size.url Description: Binary data FAQ Clear CS.url Description: Binary data http--search.msn.com-prov_dispatch.aspQUERY=collodial+silverFORM=MSNSP=DHTARGET=http--msn.directhit.com-msn-search.phpcmd=qryqry=.url Description: Binary data PPM and Size.url Description: Binary data Make your own Colloidal Silver.url Description: Binary data
CSchart LVDC Const Volt CS-gif
Hi ya'all, The attached .gif file is for work done on 5/3/00 as part of my investigation of different CS manufacturing protocols. This shows the importance of current measuring during brewing. Note that there is no run-away of current as the agglomeration limits the current. The next chart will be for 330 volts DC. and has some very interesting twists to it. Ole Bob: inline: LVDC Aggl..gif
Re: CS CFS
Hey Larry, I hear you loud clear on this one. My advice (probably not worth much more than a thin silver dime) would be to take one ounce of CS every two hours on the first day for a total of 8 ounces. just to prime the system. Then a maintainance dose of one ounce per day - every day - first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and wait one hour before eating or drinking anything else. Just struggle through the short term herx effect and it should all be very worthwhile. Best wishes for anyone's speedy recovery! Robert Bartell. - Original Message - From: larry tankersley la...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: CS CFS Dear list.. I found the following about CFS. Sounds like CS would be well worth a try. If anyone has suggestions on how much , how often , and for how long,I'd appreciate hearing,as the lady I know who has been diagnosed with CFS is going down the tube and the family is falling apart. Thanks 10/28/98 NEW HYPOTHESIS PROPOSED FOR CAUSE OF CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Researchers here have proposed a new theory for the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) -- one that blames the illness both on a low-level viral infection and on the body's own immune response to that virus. If true, it would offer an explanation for why virologists so far haven't found evidence of a common virus when looking at a population of CFS patients. The hypothesis was included in a paper published in the current issue of the American Journal of Medicine. The new theory, proposed by Ronald Glaser, professor of medical microbiology and immunology, and Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology and psychiatry at Ohio State University, is the latest work in more than two decades of their research on the effects of stress on the human immune system. Our data suggests that stress may be causing the expression of certain viral proteins and that these proteins may be modulating the body's immune response, turning it on or off, Glaser said. CFS was first characterized by researchers in the mid-1980s who described it as a combination of symptoms including low-grade fevers, body aches, malaise, and depression among other signs. The condition seems more prevalent among young adult women. Those diagnosed with CFS often experience stress and depression. Symptoms routinely linger for six months or more and may continue for years. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that CFS may affect anywhere from four to 10 of every 100,000 people in the United States. Other researchers have reported higher-than-normal titers of antibodies to various latent viruses -- Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, human herpes virus 6, for example -- in the blood of patients diagnosed as having CFS. But no one viral infection was present in all patients -- evidence that would be needed to prove a viral cause of the illness. The Ohio State researchers' new theory poses several mechanisms that might be linked to CFS. Once a person is infected, these viruses can remain latent in the body for long periods of time. Glaser proposes that the viruses could be partially reactivated, that is, viral proteins could be produced at levels high enough to cause a low-grade infection but too low to be seen using current laboratory assays. Glaser and Kiecolt-Glaser suggest that CFS patients may experience an ongoing, low-grade viral infection -- more like a smoldering fire rather than a three-alarm blaze -- which could stimulate parts of the immune response without raising antibody titers to typically high levels. That low-grade infection would be enough to increase production of various cytokines -- chemical mediators for the immune system -- and begin the immune response. A lot of the symptoms that you find in chronic fatigue syndrome are the same ones induced by cytokines during our normal immune response, Glaser said. He admits that studies of patients have yet to show a pattern of abnormal cytokine behavior that would substantiate their theory but he has an explanation for that. We haven't discovered all the cytokines involved in immunity. We may not have found the right one, yet, he said, adding that new cytokines are steadily being identified. Stress and depression may be playing a related role as well, Kiecolt-Glaser said. Earlier research has repeatedly shown that increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem, Kiecolt-Glaser said. People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken
RE: CS CFS
According to molecular biologist Donald Scott, CFS as a disease was invented to cover up the effects of the weaponized blend of the Visna virus with Brucellosis mycoplasmas; Mycoplasmas Fermentans Incognitus James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: larry tankersley [mailto:la...@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:50 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS CFS Dear list.. I found the following about CFS. Sounds like CS would be well worth a try. If anyone has suggestions on how much , how often , and for how long,I'd appreciate hearing,as the lady I know who has been diagnosed with CFS is going down the tube and the family is falling apart. Thanks 10/28/98 NEW HYPOTHESIS PROPOSED FOR CAUSE OF CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Researchers here have proposed a new theory for the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) -- one that blames the illness both on a low-level viral infection and on the body's own immune response to that virus. If true, it would offer an explanation for why virologists so far haven't found evidence of a common virus when looking at a population of CFS patients. The hypothesis was included in a paper published in the current issue of the American Journal of Medicine. The new theory, proposed by Ronald Glaser, professor of medical microbiology and immunology, and Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology and psychiatry at Ohio State University, is the latest work in more than two decades of their research on the effects of stress on the human immune system. Our data suggests that stress may be causing the expression of certain viral proteins and that these proteins may be modulating the body's immune response, turning it on or off, Glaser said. CFS was first characterized by researchers in the mid-1980s who described it as a combination of symptoms including low-grade fevers, body aches, malaise, and depression among other signs. The condition seems more prevalent among young adult women. Those diagnosed with CFS often experience stress and depression. Symptoms routinely linger for six months or more and may continue for years. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that CFS may affect anywhere from four to 10 of every 100,000 people in the United States. Other researchers have reported higher-than-normal titers of antibodies to various latent viruses -- Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, human herpes virus 6, for example -- in the blood of patients diagnosed as having CFS. But no one viral infection was present in all patients -- evidence that would be needed to prove a viral cause of the illness. The Ohio State researchers' new theory poses several mechanisms that might be linked to CFS. Once a person is infected, these viruses can remain latent in the body for long periods of time. Glaser proposes that the viruses could be partially reactivated, that is, viral proteins could be produced at levels high enough to cause a low-grade infection but too low to be seen using current laboratory assays. Glaser and Kiecolt-Glaser suggest that CFS patients may experience an ongoing, low-grade viral infection -- more like a smoldering fire rather than a three-alarm blaze -- which could stimulate parts of the immune response without raising antibody titers to typically high levels. That low-grade infection would be enough to increase production of various cytokines -- chemical mediators for the immune system -- and begin the immune response. A lot of the symptoms that you find in chronic fatigue syndrome are the same ones induced by cytokines during our normal immune response, Glaser said. He admits that studies of patients have yet to show a pattern of abnormal cytokine behavior that would substantiate their theory but he has an explanation for that. We haven't discovered all the cytokines involved in immunity. We may not have found the right one, yet, he said, adding that new cytokines are steadily being identified. Stress and depression may be playing a related role as well, Kiecolt-Glaser said. Earlier research has repeatedly shown that increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem, Kiecolt-Glaser said. People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken our immune response. Glaser said researchers need to reconsider past work on CFS. We need to look for immune system changes that are much more subtle and specific than those we've been using as benchmarks, he said. # Contact: Ronald Glaser, (614) 292-5526; glase...@osu.edu; Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, (614) 293-5120, kiecolt-glase...@osu.edu Written by Earle Holland, (614)
RE: CSSuccess!!! {I hope?}
How do we get from methyl sulfonyl methane to Sulfite oxidase.?
James-Osbourne: Holmes
-Original Message-
From: Duncan Crow [mailto:duncanc...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:57 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSuccess!!! {I hope?}
Hi James;
Sorry I didn't save the cite - just a tidbit.
Here's an indirect reference:
Molybdenum is necessary for...
Sulfite oxidase catalyses the oxidation of sulfite to sulfate, necessary
for metabolism of sulfur amino acids. Sulfite oxidase deficiency or absence
leads to neurological symptoms and early death.
[Turnlund et al., 1995.]
A well-rounded mineral supplement, or up to about 15 mg molybdenum is all
that's required, especially if the MSM supplement is over a gram or so a
day.
| MSM at high doses can cause molybdenum deficiency
|
| Any cites on that Duncan? What is a high dose? And for what period of
| time?
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
| James-Osbourne: Holmes
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Duncan Crow [mailto:duncanc...@yahoo.com]
| Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:14 PM
| To: silver-list@eskimo.com
| Subject: Re: CSSuccess!!! {I hope?}
|
| Hi Robb;
|
| MSM at high doses can cause molybdenum deficiency. Take an organic mineral
| supplement like that mined from cambrian leaf litter or the ocean floor.
We
| are all mineral deficient anyway, and as Linus Pauling pointed out, every
| diseases and every ailment is linked to a mineral deficiency. The minerals
| are required for many things including building your enzymes that you need
| to survive.
|
| Increasing your GSH levels as well will result in a seeming miracle. Then
| you'll be cutting your vitamin C to a gram or so a day.
|
| Duncan Crow
|
|
| Here's what I decided to do: Cs every 2
| | hours {about 8 ounces}, 2000 mg vitamin C every two hours, 2000 mg MSM
| every
| | two hours.
|
|
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Re: CSHigh blood pressure
Not long ago I read a posting on a site where this doctor would tell his patients with high blood pressure to go home and eat four[4] stalks of Celery a day for two weeks and then come back.In most cases,HBP was back to normal Harold - Original Message - From: Solar so...@dialup.oar.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: CSBetr.: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils Hello Jef, Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 3:53:06 AM, you wrote: --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS use after using Cansema
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Re: CS CFS
Stress and depression produce toxic hormonal by-poducts that work like free radicals, depleting glutathione levels. But raised glutathione levels modulate the cytokine response, boost the immune system's ability to repel infectious agents, and quench existing free radicals and associated inflammation (free radical cascades), and break toxins including normal stress by-products. In addition, in patients with CFS, myalgias, and irritable bowel, research has shown that these symptoms relate to the body hogging the glutathione precursors in favour of the liver, the kidney, brain, and immune system first, at the expense of the muscles, tissues and bowel lining. ciao Duncan increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem, Kiecolt-Glaser said. People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken our immune response. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS CFS
Do you know how to replenish, or preventatively maintain glutathione levels. I've heard of a product called Immunocal, a milk protein dietary supplement, but it's too expensive for my budget. Thanks, Dee -Original Message- From: Duncan Crow duncanc...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: Re: CS CFS Stress and depression produce toxic hormonal by-poducts that work like free radicals, depleting glutathione levels. But raised glutathione levels modulate the cytokine response, boost the immune system's ability to repel infectious agents, and quench existing free radicals and associated inflammation (free radical cascades), and break toxins including normal stress by-products. In addition, in patients with CFS, myalgias, and irritable bowel, research has shown that these symptoms relate to the body hogging the glutathione precursors in favour of the liver, the kidney, brain, and immune system first, at the expense of the muscles, tissues and bowel lining. ciao Duncan increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem, Kiecolt-Glaser said. People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken our immune response. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHigh blood pressure
It could work. Celery is a natural diuretic and diuretics used to be the first thing prescribed for hypertension. Better celery than a drug. Might use it in a juice blend. Chuck Good leaders are scarce, so I am following myself! On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:58:11 -0800, Harold MacDonald har...@direct.ca wrote: Not long ago I read a posting on a site where this doctor would tell his patients with high blood pressure to go home and eat four[4] stalks of Celery a day for two weeks and then come back.In most cases,HBP was back to normal -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:Wayne's site
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Re: CSCS use after using Cansema
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CSOff Topic - SBO's
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone here has experience using soil based organisms (sbo's). I think they're used along with probiotics. They're supposedly great for intestinal problems, including candida. Anybody? thanks, kuku _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOff Topic - SBO's
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