CSTylosin
Hi to everyone.I've been on silver now for about a year for my
Rheumatoid Arthritis...Ive a tremendous improvement, however CS seems
to do alot more to clear up my bloodstream than it does to kill Mycoplasma
already living in my joints. I was trying H202 for a while..and even though
it seems to help alot with the pain...{I don't know why} it sorta scares
me. I've been readin alot here lately about tylosin...{usually a drug for
animals}...I'm not sure if there is a human version or not...from
what I've been reading this stuff is supposed to really wipe out mycoplasma
in a hurryorally it is not quite as effective as IM. I am thinking
very seriously about trying this to rid myself of the last 10% of my
arthritis. I've owned and operated a farm for my entire life and it is well
known that if you have a hog that is sick and down from arthritis, Tylosin
will clear it up in a hurry...why do they not do this for
humans?...I've seen the list of what it kills and it is a vast
list.almost as big as CS itself. I wish there was a way for me to get
the CS deeper into my joints where it could do the job becuase I know it
kills what I have. When I quit taking it for a break..and then start
again..I have a herx reaction for about the first week..and then
some major improvement.and then it levels off leaving me much better
than before.but still with the critters living in my
joints...Tylosin may be my answer..?.I don't know.still
reading hereRobb
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RE: CSNon-Metallic Silver
JBB, Any silver salt or compound could be thought of as non-metallic. Indeed, silver bonded to a molecule containing carbon would be called organic. Metallic properties don't develop until a certain number of silver atoms are bonded together. Nano-sized particles of silver or other metals display unusual characteristics not found in the bulk metal. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, 4 October 2002 1:04 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNon-Metallic Silver I agree with James Allison here: we need facts, not speculation. Hope Mr. Jones will be forthcoming so that we can draw sound conclusions. By the way, on the interesting EMTrading.com web site, I find a products called SeaSilver, and other products from the same company. One product is referred to as a non-metallic silver. Could anyone enlighten me about this? I have learned a great deal about the depths of my ignorance by reading info. posted by full-time scientists here, and hope to learn more. Is non-metallic silver an oxymoron? JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSshingles(Frangipani)
Waddle, I tend to believe Dr Muthotho's original statement. I believe the 2nd article was a response to the need to correct the misreported identification of the Frangipanni species. I think the author also took the opportunity to down-play Muthotho's cure statement for political and legal reasons. Of course I cannot be sure this is so until someone I know uses Frangipanni milk, but even the lesser good of relieving the pain and resolving the lesions must be a blessing. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: waddle...@aol.com [mailto:waddle...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 9:47 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSshingles(Frangipani) Ivan As soon as I read the article I was searching for the sap and plant which I found in Florida and Hawaii. I don't think any sap is available commercially. According to the article, shelf life is only 10 days. I thot I would buy a plant, cut a stem and use the sap. Procrastinator that I am, before I could get my butt moving, the 2nd article clarifying Dr. Muthotho's work was posted. My hopes were dashed by the following excerpt: Finally, the title of your article, Local cure for herpes found, was incorrect. The correct position is that there is no known cure for herpes zoster. The herbal medicine only treats the external symptoms by relieving the pain and drying up the lesions. Waddle In a message dated 09/26/2002 2:11:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: There has to be the odd Frangipani in the neighbourhood that you can raid :-) Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones
This is true, only in the respect that drinking distilled water does not add any minerals, whereas natural waters do. But all water that enters the system does so as pure H2O molecules, and does not carry minerals in with it. Minerals are absorbed by their own specific processes. Ivan -Original Message- From: Heidrun Beer [mailto:conc...@atnet.at] Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2002 8:38 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones Because distilled water disturbs the body cell's osmosis (balance of salts inside/outside of cells). In essence, it washes necessary minerals out of the body. On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:54:49 -0600, James Osbourne, Holmes wrote in gmeakojnalehnmiinoifcegndcaa@cybermesa.com: Why is that? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Heidrun Beer [mailto:conc...@atnet.at] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:58:36 -0700 (PDT), Paul Ladendorf wrote in 20021004045836.30442.qm...@web12905.mail.yahoo.com: The water I drink (i.e. my drinking water) is distilled water. A very dangerous thing to do! We learned already at school that only hard water should be used for drinking. Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Don, I appreciate your candour on this subject. However, you seem to have been a little blinded by the promise of colloidal silver, much like the people you now consider diehards and fervent believers. You sound a little like a reformed smoker ;-) Many of us on this list take the CS propaganda with a grain of salt and a groan, and do not believe it to be the panacea of all ills, but rather as just another tool in the shed. You have found CS wanting in some areas, and so properly took other approaches, but there is no doubt that CS does work in many areas as evidenced by many testimonials. It is particularly helpful in respiratory infections, even CS sprayed by an atomiser and breathed in has had good results, in my experience. Adding transport and solvent adjuncts to the solution, and ensuring the finest droplet size can help resolve the most intractable conditions, as has been reported. Of course, I am talking about human experimenters here, and I do wonder how one can get a bird or animal to breath in a CS mist in such a way as to bypass the air filtering mechanisms so that the CS can be deposited at the infection site. Even if this can be achieved, it is my experience that some fungal infections are the most unresponsive to colloidal silver, probably due to the nature of the growth (grows in air spaces without tissue invasion) and the nature of the cell (eukaryote), and it is here that a solvent such as DMSO can drive the CS into the fungal mass (a detergent/oil mixture may be effective also). A good that your testimony has provided, is a reminder that there is a lot of misinformation and rubbish available, and that one needs to choose their information sources carefully. Thanks for that. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: dwells2...@aol.com [mailto:dwells2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:01 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa Hi James, First, before I answer the questions as best I can I want to get something off my chest! Please indulge me a bit? The events I have given here regarding my research using CS in animals and birds has elicited the reactions I expected from a great many diehards who are so fervent in believing that CS is the end all to modern mans medical problems that they will not give in to any scientific proof whatsoever! So be it! I wanted to be a total convert also once upon a time but my personal drive always leads me to want to prove it to myself without just swallowing everything one reads on the net! I fortunately had the means to do this recently and I was not happy with the results but I am convinced that they are accurate and to the best of my knowledge followed many of the printed protocols that are so commonly handed out on the net as well as in books etc. What amazes me now is all of a sudden so many are telling me after the fact, that I must not have done the experiments right or used the CS correctly or didn't know how to make it etc etc. Nonsense, I have followed the instructions and gone ! the second mile to do so! Do I doubt that CS is effective at all? No, I know it works in some cases, I have had it work on some things myself. What I do resent is that all of a sudden my poopooing CS effectiveness has drawn out the minions of believers who have never tested it really other then anecdotally! Hi Don, Did any of the tests using CS against lung infections include CS and MSM or DMSO nebulized with O2 and inhaled? James, why now is it necessary to add all these things to make it effective? Why don't we see all these things in lists published elsewhere where accounts of the wonderful effectiveness of CS alone is written about? Not being hostile just wondering why it is when the CS doesn't live up to muster all of a sudden a million other reasons for its failure are thrown out? The answer is no. The CS was used in a medical grade nebulisor and was given repeatedly to birds with severe to mild Aspergillosis infections in the lungs. To no avail! According to Dr. Bart A. Flick, in extensive tests, no bacteria was found that withstood CS in even very dilute solutions. One would assume they tried it against the most common pathogens, but not necessarily so. In vivo perhaps not? In Vitro on a plate I can understand this. As I think you suggested before, it might be effective on contact however, many testimonials do not specify this anywhere else? Usually a miraculous cure is reported from just ingesting the CS. Regarding: It plainly doesn't work on Isospora or Eimeria ( Coccidiosis species) despite what you may have read. And, we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Is more detail available about how you came to that conclusion? Are there specific studies? Just to demonstrate. We had a group of neonatal parrots being handfed with a
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, . As I am sure you know from all the discussions we have had here previously oral CS is usless for upper respiratory, since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. I have to beg your pardon a bit ! Do you know how many times I have read how great CS is and how it in its smallest forms is absorbed by the blood and carried all over the body and suffocates bad bugs wherver it finds them? Not here. It is well known in this group, and has been discussed many times that CS cannot got to certain places, the intestines, the lungs, the brain, the lymph system are a few of them orally. So what you are saying is that you are reading hype somewhere, then coming to this list to blast CS and claim that it doesn't work. Try seeing if it works as those on this list claim, not some out of the blue who knows where you got it stuff. Nothing you have given is a surprise to any of us, you could have saved yourself a lot of time and effort by simply checking the archives here on these things. It is like me going to a newsgroup on aspirin and saying that aspirin did not cure my dandruff, or my athletes foot, then claiming that aspirin does not do what it is claim to do. Use it according to what it known and you will get the same results as everyone else here. Try to use it on things and in ways that we all know will not work, and you will still get the expected results. How about the differences between Colloidal and ionic and how one works so much better then the other and on and on and on! This is been discussed here repeatedly. They both work in harmony. CS is likely better for oral use, ionic for topical, and both for nebulizing. The ionic form is the one that will allow cells to revert to stem cells. Since it is impossible to get one without the other when making it via electrolysis, why worry about it? Thoise testimonmials from all sorts of folks how wonderful it was at curing everything from protatitis and HIV! I don't know about the protatitis, never hear of it. Do you mean prostatitis? If so, I have been in this newsgroup for 4 years now, and don't recall it ever being discussed. But several studies have shown it to be very effective against HIV. I am not sure about curing HIV, since HIV is apparently a marker for a highly supressed immune system. If you kill it off, it will come right back as long as the system is supressed. You have to fix the cause, not the symptom. Now how the hell does it come into contact with the prostrate if its not absorbed in the intestines? Who said it does? I have never hear anything about it. I have never seen nor heard anything about it helpting the prostrate. I think saw pimento is best for that. How does it get to HIV yet other things much less innocuous are not effected? Seems to me the conditions it now is supposed to treat have been greatly over exagerated by many! How can you get much less innocuous than HIV? It is impossible to get an elevated HIV count without the immune system being completely destroyed. If you take an HIV test without diluting the blood 100:1, you will find everyone has some HIV in the blood, it is everywhere. It will not affect a healthy person at all. The tough ones are things like lyme. Marshall
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Well, I can't think of a much better test than Taipan ran some time ago, when he and a friend intentionally ate month old raw ground beef, one took CS and the other did not. If you have not read it yet, go to the archieves and read it. I think they were crazy to do it, but it does show just how effective CS can be in those circumstances. I have had similar results with tainted food, as has my wife, son and daughter. None of us ever get sick any more, nor do we ever suffer from food poisoning any more. At the first sign of symptoms we guzzle about 6 to 8 oz of 5 ppm cs and that is the end of that. Marshall dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Marshall, We had E-Coli tested with 3.5 ppm CS by UT in 1999, and the results were a 100% kill. I dont doubt this at all. Salmonella is easily killed outside the body also but not inside! Common spit will kill HIV in vitro but it doesnt do much inside the body! Apples against oranges I say!:-) Don Wells If you make a few ridiculous assumptions, you'll find everything I say or do totally justified,
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route.The work of Brooks Bradley's group shows that DMSO does enable CS to reach pathogens in UR infections. I don't think Brooks ever mentioned treating UR infections with oral CS. Everything I recall reading was using it with DMSO and nebulizing it wasn't it? Marshall
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Living in Southern Mexico, you frequently encounter salmonella, and it is a disgusting disease which antibiotics cannot treat, because the salmonella will invade to the liver and mutate. So the first dose after I discovered CS, I tried it, and it worked quickly. But I found I had to keep taking CS for a period after the symptoms disappeared. It takes the body 18 days to muster the antibodies to rid itself of the salmonella, but CS will basically do it overnight. I take 10 drops of Microdyn in a glass of water 3-4 times the first day, and once in the following morning. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: CS and protozoa Hi Bill, Can you share more details? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Bill Missett [mailto:miss...@prodigy.net.mx] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Tap Water
Jim: Who knows what compounds are made in such a process. However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. As with using saline solution as a primer, a great deal of silver will remain in the solution. The end result is a poorer quality product with too much actual silver content. It wouldn't surprise me if one discovered that metallic silver was actually plating out in the process, in small quantities of course. Jason - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: CSCS Tap Water Dear Jason: I do know how to make CS with distilled water. I use low voltage and current limiting. It is about 15 uS as measured on a PWT and has low Tindell as shown with the laser. But, I have experimented making CS with tap water which in my case is well water. I have been reluctant to drink it though. Do you think that the process causes silver to be electroplated onto the mineral content of the well water? I seem to get a brown residue in the bottom of the jar and a thin black coating or plating on the sides of the jar. Does this mean that I am precipitating the minerals in the water? I am undecided whether this is good or bad. What do you think? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: SilverMedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: CSCS Tap Water Diane/all: There's nothing wrong with taking isolated silver and adding it tap water; the issue in question would be whether tap water was used during production. There are plenty of salts in the body to convert silver ions into silver chloride. Not adding CS to tapwater is not going to make one bit of difference. In fact, silver ions are not going to get out of the body as ions, period. At some point, most if not all ions will be converted to salts or proteins, and perhaps reconverted to ions, then back to any number of possible compounds. To think anything else is nothing more or less than unclear thinking. What happens between point A ( drinking CS ) and point Z ( the silver either exits the body in particulate/compound form or is deposited in the body in particulate/compound form ) is the miracle of CS. The point I've been trying to make for several years now is that not everyone is at equal risk for Argyria. Joe can take CS for thirty years and have no problem. Joe builds a website that says it is completely non-toxic, add a pinch of salt in the production process because we are impatient... Then, six people get Argyria between 5 and 15 years down the road. I'm betting the candidate used salt in the production process, as he was not even aware of the term Argyria... Judging from the date, he probably used Metcalf's instructions on CS generation ( or some derived from Metcalf's work ). Like I said on a post earlier this year, lawyers are already listing colloidal silver as a topic for lawsuits. Those manufacturers who do not educate their customers on the risk because they don't feel the risk is there may be getting some surprises down the road. It's hard to know because it is impossible to truly know how people are using products. I've been working on some theoretical programs for quite awhile to reduce the risk of Argyria This for those with terminal illness who for whatever reason need to be on colloidal silver long term, taking amounts exceeding eight ounces daily of 10PPM CS. While on topic, I also have a problem with the SilverFacts page on this issue, as the site simply plays the propaganda game on the other side of the coin. As far as whether or not cosmetic argyria is a real issue, I deal with people on both sides of the coin... Those who could really care less, and those who have a lot to lose as they make a living on their appearance. I still do not believe that taking sane mounts of quality, isolated colloidal silver places one at risk. I keep my own silver intake well below the EPA established guidelines for lifetime consumption of silver. However, I would like to comment on one more issue: By the time silver starts to deposit in the skin, it will likely have already started depositing in organs. When the skin, fingernails, and hair start to show signs of a condition, it is a warning that the elimination system is not functioning properly. Dehydration is probably the first place to look. The body's ph levels are likely a good second place to
RE: CSRe: CS and protozoa
since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. The work of Brooks Bradley's group shows that DMSO does enable CS to reach pathogens in UR infections. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: dwells2...@aol.com [mailto:dwells2...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa Hi Marshall, . As I am sure you know from all the discussions we have had here previously oral CS is usless for upper respiratory, since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. I have to beg your pardon a bit ! Do you know how many times I have read how great CS is and how it in its smallest forms is absorbed by the blood and carried all over the body and suffocates bad bugs wherver it finds them? How about the differences between Colloidal and ionic and how one works so much better then the other and on and on and on! Thoise testimonmials from all sorts of folks how wonderful it was at curing everything from protatitis and HIV! Now how the hell does it come into contact with the prostrate if its not absorbed in the intestines? How does it get to HIV yet other things much less innocuous are not effected? Seems to me the conditions it now is supposed to treat have been greatly over exagerated by many! Don Wells If you make a few ridiculous assumptions, you'll find everything I say or do totally justified,
CSRE; CS a Scam
Here is a Roger Mason who thinks Colloidal Silver, and other stuff I have seen on this page a Scam ! Colloidal Silver promoters should be aware of this guy. http://www.youngagain.com Dear readers, you have seen this in the only column in the world that is exposing the natural health frauds and their promoters. No one else is telling you that lycopene, noni juice, chondroitin, PC-SPES, colloidal minerals, coral minerals, saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum, Tribulus, maca root, colostrum, breast enhancers, sexual performance enhancers, OTC growth hormone supplements, homeopathy, canola oil, spirulina and chorella, yam cream, deer antler velvet and oral S.O.D. are all scams. No one else is telling you that all those natural health doctors who write books and newsletters are a bunch of old, fat, sickly gasbags with high cholesterol and blood sugar problems among their many other ills. If you go to www.amazon.com to review my book The Natural Prostate Cure you will see a very venomous review by Deborah Arnoldy. She is obviously a front woman for someone who is very mad at us for exposing him. Who is it? It could be thousands of people who are unhappy that we've exposed them and their products for what they are. Let's look at her review in detail. First, she says that some of the products I recommend lack research and are inaccurate. Really? Which ones? $1,000 cash money to anyone who can show that a supplement (I never discuss products in my books- only generic supplements and never, never, never any name brands) in The Natural Prostate Cure lacks research or is inaccurate. Just write in and show which recommended supplement lacks research or is inaccurate and a thousand dollar check is in the mail to you the same day. Then she says the inaccuracies in the book lean towards products I am not directly endorsing or selling, and that I have a vested interest in Young Again Nutrients. My book is sold all over the world and Young Again Nutrients does not and cannot sell this book due to publisher agreement. How can my book recommending generic supplements -readily available from any catalog, health food store, drug store or internet site- further sales of these? Young Again Nutrients is just one tiny little internet company on a planet of six billion people. You can buy beta-sitosterol, flax oil, soy isoflavones, garlic extract, vitamin E, vitamin D, NAC, green tea, quercitin, beta glucan, FOS, DIM and the rest of the recommended supplements wherever you want to. Where is the connection? Young Again Nutrients is in Texas and my connection to them is writing a weekly column and selling them three supplements recommended in the book- beta-sitosterol, beta glucan and progesterone cream. The only vendors recommended in my book are all the known saliva hormone testing companies so readers will know where to get the test kits. We're Making The Quacks Mad!
Re: CSRE; CS a Scam
I see colloidal minerals mentioned, but not colloidal silver. There is a difference. Colloidal minerals generally refers to glacial water, etc. frank key - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: Silver List Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: CSRE; CS a Scam Here is a Roger Mason who thinks Colloidal Silver, and other stuff I have seen on this page a Scam ! Colloidal Silver promoters should be aware of this guy. http://www.youngagain.com Dear readers, you have seen this in the only column in the world that is exposing the natural health frauds and their promoters. No one else is telling you that lycopene, noni juice, chondroitin, PC-SPES, colloidal minerals, coral minerals, saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum, Tribulus, maca root, colostrum, breast enhancers, sexual performance enhancers, OTC growth hormone supplements, homeopathy, canola oil, spirulina and chorella, yam cream, deer antler velvet and oral S.O.D. are all scams. No one else is telling you that all those natural health doctors who write books and newsletters are a bunch of old, fat, sickly gasbags with high cholesterol and blood sugar problems among their many other ills. If you go to www.amazon.com to review my book The Natural Prostate Cure you will see a very venomous review by Deborah Arnoldy. She is obviously a front woman for someone who is very mad at us for exposing him. Who is it? It could be thousands of people who are unhappy that we've exposed them and their products for what they are. Let's look at her review in detail. First, she says that some of the products I recommend lack research and are inaccurate. Really? Which ones? $1,000 cash money to anyone who can show that a supplement (I never discuss products in my books- only generic supplements and never, never, never any name brands) in The Natural Prostate Cure lacks research or is inaccurate. Just write in and show which recommended supplement lacks research or is inaccurate and a thousand dollar check is in the mail to you the same day. Then she says the inaccuracies in the book lean towards products I am not directly endorsing or selling, and that I have a vested interest in Young Again Nutrients. My book is sold all over the world and Young Again Nutrients does not and cannot sell this book due to publisher agreement. How can my book recommending generic supplements -readily available from any catalog, health food store, drug store or internet site- further sales of these? Young Again Nutrients is just one tiny little internet company on a planet of six billion people. You can buy beta-sitosterol, flax oil, soy isoflavones, garlic extract, vitamin E, vitamin D, NAC, green tea, quercitin, beta glucan, FOS, DIM and the rest of the recommended supplements wherever you want to. Where is the connection? Young Again Nutrients is in Texas and my connection to them is writing a weekly column and selling them three supplements recommended in the book- beta-sitosterol, beta glucan and progesterone cream. The only vendors recommended in my book are all the known saliva hormone testing companies so readers will know where to get the test kits. We're Making The Quacks Mad!
Re: CSCS Lyme, CHRISTINE, MARSHALEE - I feel like shit after only 2 days.
I actually got lyme in 87. Since I did not discover CS until around 98, I got much better from two courses of IV in 89. But I never got to feeling good. I think my immune system was keeping it in check, but it had some hiding places. After starting CS in 98, I got my old energy back and feel fine now. The complete recovery took about a year from when I first started taking it, and I did not get rid of my arthritis until I took CMO. Of course some of the problem is that lyme does so much damage, it could take years to get back to normal even if you kill it all in one day. However my sister got it about 2 years ago, and it took her about 2 months to reach the level where she did not get any better with CS. She was about 90% better. She only completely got rid of it by using the magnetic pulser on her lymph glands along with CS, and that took about 3 or so months. She also used the Clark Zapper and ozonated water. But without the pulsing her lymph nodes would not go down. I take CS daily as a preventative. She only takes it when she is catching something. Marshall J S Campbell wrote: Hi Marshall,How long did it take you on Cs to get rid of your Lyme? Are you completely cured or do you find you need to keep on taking some CS to keep it at bay still? Did you have myco infections too?What dosage were you on? I've looked up the archive and seen lots of emails and info from Brooks Bradley which will take me a time to look at! but can you please tell me who he is, he seems very knowledgeable?With kind regards,Sheila -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: 07 October 2002 04:24 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS Lyme, CHRISTINE, MARSHALEE - I feel like shit after only 2 days. If you have that advanced of a case of Lyme, are you doing the full 4 step Beck protocol? I believe that CS alone will not success in completely curing you since it cannot get to all the hidding places without the other parts. In case you have missed the previous postings on it, the protocol is: 1, CS 2. blood electrification (or Clark Zapper) 3. magnetic pulsing 4. ozonated water. Marshall + +++ wrote: Hello fellow Lymies, I am making my own CS using Trems SG6 and using 8oz per day. I have Lyme EVERYWHERE nad I expected a bad herx, I'm used to them after 6 years. Rashes and oozing sores much like Syphilis appeared on my face (they have done before) so I was not alarmed. Have to admit that I am getting tired of having a clear face for a few days then thje SOB appears out of my nose and my upper lip and my forehead and I look like friggin Quasimodo yet again. Fell exhausted and very ill. How long did it take any of you to show any REAL improvement ? I know I'm comparing apples oranges here, just looking for encouragement, ya know ? Christ, this disease never ceases to amaze me. I should be used to it's game of 'Cat Mouse' where the cat is IT and I'm the friggin tiny hapless Mouse. Plays with you, and when you think you MIGHT be getting better WHAM the cat swipes you and you are down again. Still, gotta keep battering the MF and hope for the best. Back to bed. Keep well out there - would be nice to hear from you at lymegladia...@btinternet.com. +
Re: CSRE; CS a Scam
Tel Tofflemire wrote: Frank: In his first Report it was Colloidal Silver, I wrote to him with what I have experienced and said basically he was totally wrong, he now came out with this report. I tried to put the link on the silver list but it was too big I guess. I cut and past below, and post the link.http://www.youngagain.com Colloidal silver has no value and almost no silver in the solution. Yes, it is true that colloidal silver has EXTERNAL uses in bandages for burns, wounds, and infections but no internal ones. Interesting how these guys said that CS was worthless for everyting, even burns, wounds and so forth. Then when the pharms decide they can make a buck on it and come out with products, suddenly it DOES work on those things. Pretty easy to see what they are up to. Marshall
Re: CSCS Lyme, CHRISTINE, MARSHALEE - I feel like shit after only 2 days.
Oh, I almost forgot. I got bit by a tick a couple of months ago, and it formed the bulls eye around it that virtually always means lyme. I took about a quart of CS a day for 2 or 3 weeks, and never came down with it. That is how my fingernails got blue. Marshall J S Campbell wrote: Hi Marshall,How long did it take you on Cs to get rid of your Lyme? Are you completely cured or do you find you need to keep on taking some CS to keep it at bay still? Did you have myco infections too?What dosage were you on? I've looked up the archive and seen lots of emails and info from Brooks Bradley which will take me a time to look at! but can you please tell me who he is, he seems very knowledgeable?With kind regards,Sheila -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: 07 October 2002 04:24 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS Lyme, CHRISTINE, MARSHALEE - I feel like shit after only 2 days. If you have that advanced of a case of Lyme, are you doing the full 4 step Beck protocol? I believe that CS alone will not success in completely curing you since it cannot get to all the hidding places without the other parts. In case you have missed the previous postings on it, the protocol is: 1, CS 2. blood electrification (or Clark Zapper) 3. magnetic pulsing 4. ozonated water. Marshall + +++ wrote: Hello fellow Lymies, I am making my own CS using Trems SG6 and using 8oz per day. I have Lyme EVERYWHERE nad I expected a bad herx, I'm used to them after 6 years. Rashes and oozing sores much like Syphilis appeared on my face (they have done before) so I was not alarmed. Have to admit that I am getting tired of having a clear face for a few days then thje SOB appears out of my nose and my upper lip and my forehead and I look like friggin Quasimodo yet again. Fell exhausted and very ill. How long did it take any of you to show any REAL improvement ? I know I'm comparing apples oranges here, just looking for encouragement, ya know ? Christ, this disease never ceases to amaze me. I should be used to it's game of 'Cat Mouse' where the cat is IT and I'm the friggin tiny hapless Mouse. Plays with you, and when you think you MIGHT be getting better WHAM the cat swipes you and you are down again. Still, gotta keep battering the MF and hope for the best. Back to bed. Keep well out there - would be nice to hear from you at lymegladia...@btinternet.com. +
RE: CSTylosin
Hi,
Very interested to hear you've made good progress with your myco infection
andCS, hopefully in time it will clobber it completely?
Could you tell me which mycos you were infected with?
Best wishes,
Sheila
-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 08 October 2002 06:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSTylosin
Hi to everyone.I've been on silver now for about a year for my
Rheumatoid Arthritis...Ive a tremendous improvement, however CS seems
to do alot more to clear up my bloodstream than it does to kill Mycoplasma
already living in my joints. I was trying H202 for a while..and even though
it seems to help alot with the pain...{I don't know why} it sorta scares
me. I've been readin alot here lately about tylosin...{usually a drug for
animals}...I'm not sure if there is a human version or not...from
what I've been reading this stuff is supposed to really wipe out mycoplasma
in a hurryorally it is not quite as effective as IM. I am thinking
very seriously about trying this to rid myself of the last 10% of my
arthritis. I've owned and operated a farm for my entire life and it is well
known that if you have a hog that is sick and down from arthritis, Tylosin
will clear it up in a hurry...why do they not do this for
humans?...I've seen the list of what it kills and it is a vast
list.almost as big as CS itself. I wish there was a way for me to get
the CS deeper into my joints where it could do the job becuase I know it
kills what I have. When I quit taking it for a break..and then start
again..I have a herx reaction for about the first week..and then
some major improvement.and then it levels off leaving me much better
than before.but still with the critters living in my
joints...Tylosin may be my answer..?.I don't know.still
reading hereRobb
RE: CSCS Lyme, CHRISTINE, MARSHALEE - I feel like shit after only 2 days.
Hi Marshall, How long did it take you on Cs to get rid of your Lyme? Are you completely cured or do you find you need to keep on taking some CS to keep it at bay still? Did you have myco infections too? What dosage were you on? I've looked up the archive and seen lots of emails and info from Brooks Bradley which will take me a time to look at! but can you please tell me who he is, he seems very knowledgeable? With kind regards, Sheila -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: 07 October 2002 04:24 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS Lyme, CHRISTINE, MARSHALEE - I feel like shit after only 2 days. If you have that advanced of a case of Lyme, are you doing the full 4 step Beck protocol? I believe that CS alone will not success in completely curing you since it cannot get to all the hidding places without the other parts. In case you have missed the previous postings on it, the protocol is: 1, CS 2. blood electrification (or Clark Zapper) 3. magnetic pulsing 4. ozonated water. Marshall + +++ wrote: Hello fellow Lymies, I am making my own CS using Trems SG6 and using 8oz per day. I have Lyme EVERYWHERE nad I expected a bad herx, I'm used to them after 6 years. Rashes and oozing sores much like Syphilis appeared on my face (they have done before) so I was not alarmed. Have to admit that I am getting tired of having a clear face for a few days then thje SOB appears out of my nose and my upper lip and my forehead and I look like friggin Quasimodo yet again. Fell exhausted and very ill. How long did it take any of you to show any REAL improvement ? I know I'm comparing apples oranges here, just looking for encouragement, ya know ? Christ, this disease never ceases to amaze me. I should be used to it's game of 'Cat Mouse' where the cat is IT and I'm the friggin tiny hapless Mouse. Plays with you, and when you think you MIGHT be getting better WHAM the cat swipes you and you are down again. Still, gotta keep battering the MF and hope for the best. Back to bed. Keep well out there - would be nice to hear from you at lymegladia...@btinternet.com. +
Re: CSRE; CS a Scam
Frank: In his first Report it was Colloidal Silver, I wrote to him with what I have experienced and said basically he was totally wrong, he now came out with this report. I tried to put the link on the silver list but it was too big I guess. I cut and past below, and post the link. http://www.youngagain.com Colloidal silver has no value and almost no silver in the solution. Yes, it is true that colloidal silver has EXTERNAL uses in bandages for burns, wounds, and infections but no internal ones. Roger Mason calls this news letter Hall of Shame Tel Tofflemire Dewey, Az Frank Key wrote: I see colloidal minerals mentioned, but not colloidal silver. There is a difference. Colloidal minerals generally refers to glacial water, etc. frank key - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: Silver List Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: CSRE; CS a Scam Here is a Roger Mason who thinks Colloidal Silver, and other stuff I have seen on this page a Scam ! Colloidal Silver promoters should be aware of this guy. http://www.youngagain.com Dear readers, you have seen this in the only column in the world that is exposing the natural health frauds and their promoters. No one else is telling you that lycopene, noni juice, chondroitin, PC-SPES, colloidal minerals, coral minerals, saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum, Tribulus, maca root, colostrum, breast enhancers, sexual performance enhancers, OTC growth hormone supplements, homeopathy, canola oil, spirulina and chorella, yam cream, deer antler velvet and oral S.O.D. are all scams. No one else is telling you that all those natural health doctors who write books and newsletters are a bunch of old, fat, sickly gasbags with high cholesterol and blood sugar problems among their many other ills. If you go to www.amazon.com to review my book The Natural Prostate Cure you will see a very venomous review by Deborah Arnoldy. She is obviously a front woman for someone who is very mad at us for exposing him. Who is it? It could be thousands of people who are unhappy that we've exposed them and their products for what they are. Let's look at her review in detail. First, she says that some of the products I recommend lack research and are inaccurate. Really? Which ones? $1,000 cash money to anyone who can show that a supplement (I never discuss products in my books- only generic supplements and never, never, never any name brands) in The Natural Prostate Cure lacks research or is inaccurate. Just write in and show which recommended supplement lacks research or is inaccurate and a thousand dollar check is in the mail to you the same day. Then she says the inaccuracies in the book lean towards products I am not directly endorsing or selling, and that I have a vested interest in Young Again Nutrients. My book is sold all over the world and Young Again Nutrients does not and cannot sell this book due to publisher agreement. How can my book recommending generic supplements -readily available from any catalog, health food store, drug store or internet site- further sales of these? Young Again Nutrients is just one tiny little internet company on a planet of six billion people. You can buy beta-sitosterol, flax oil, soy isoflavones, garlic extract, vitamin E, vitamin D, NAC, green tea, quercitin, beta glucan, FOS, DIM and the rest of the recommended supplements wherever you want to. Where is the connection? Young Again Nutrients is in Texas and my connection to them is writing a weekly column and selling them three supplements recommended in the book- beta-sitosterol, beta glucan and progesterone cream. The only vendors recommended in my book are all the known saliva hormone testing companies so readers will know where to get the test kits. We're Making The Quacks Mad!
RE: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Yes, that is to what I was referring: upper Respiratory tract infections. Sorry for the too-cryptic abbreviation. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route.The work of Brooks Bradley's group shows that DMSO does enable CS to reach pathogens in UR infections. I don't think Brooks ever mentioned treating UR infections with oral CS. Everything I recall reading was using it with DMSO and nebulizing it wasn't it? Marshall
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #752
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Re: CSTo Marshall re: Blue Fingernails
Well, the base where it is normally white got blue. This scared me because I thought it was a heart or circulation problem. But then after a while the blue has moved from the base out. Now the base is white and it is blue about 1/8 of the way out. I figure it will be totally grown out and gone in about a year. Still beats the heck out of catching lyme again! It was 5 ppm, HVAC produced from distilled water, 80% ionic, crystal clear. Marshall Paul Ladendorf wrote: Marshall, That is how my fingernails got blue. I understand that the fingernails are where argyria first starts. Are they still blue? What kind of generator were you using to make your cs? What ppm? And this happened after only a few weeks? Thanks, Paul --- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa CLARIFICATION
Another protocol you may want to try if you run into trouble with that one is CS and cranberry juice (not the white) . However with caution of taking juice with CS you might want to separate them by 15 mintues or so, although I never did. I have found it to be very effective as well. Marshall Brooks Bradley wrote: I would like to make a clarifying statement relative to our experiences with DMSO and CS in urinary tract pathogenic insults. We did, in fact, conduct some experimental research addressing urinary tract/bladder-specific pathogenic presentations. Among the protocols invoked were varying concentrations of DMSO X CS. Without laborious explanation I offer the following general comment on our experiences in these evaluations. We found, in general, 90% CS (as the parent solution) mixed with 10% (by volume) of full-strength DMSO, to be quite efficacious in controlling a number of, previously, non-responsive pathogenic presentations in the bladder and lower urinary tract of both female and male research volunteers. I will not elaborate on the details of the exact protocol other than to state that quite simple methodologies were utilized to introducevia catheterizing instrumentationthese solutions directly into the bladder and adjacent urethral environments. A majority (approximately 85%) of the volunteers enjoyed a rapid and complete, favorable, resolution of their various pathogenic insults. Notable among the results was the speed (sometimes within 24 hours) of the favorable response and the exponential reduction in pathogen populations. We have engaged in rather extensive evaluations of colloidal silver and DMSO over the recently-passed years..experiencing, in general, results superior over most of the more conventional alleopathic addresses-for both systemic in vivo and topical insults of a pathogenic nature. Our original investigations were prompted by an interest in the work of Dr. Stanley Jacob and his associates. If any are interested, you may find the following url of interest. Http://www.jacoblab.com/Studies.htm Most especially the reference to the investigation of DMSO use in interstitial insults. We found that the addition of colloidal silver increased effectivities by an order of magnitude. I do not wish to become engaged in adversarial confrontation with ANY of the list membershipall may make of these comments what they desire. However, they are given with an attitude of assistance onlydesigned toward assistng those who would willingly accept the responsibility for educating themselves in maintaining their personal health in the presently-extant socio-economic environment. Do remember that our research experiences are experimental only and do not reflect or imply any form of medical treatment, cure or prescription..for ANY medical condition. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. Although I do not often do so, I have an admonition issued in the distant past.which seems appropriate in the face of some of the more strident comment now manifesting on the list Fanatic.One who redoubles his effort...after having lost sight of his goal. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes, that is to what I was referring: upper Respiratory tract infections. Sorry for the too-cryptic abbreviation. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route.The work of Brooks Bradley's group shows that DMSO does enable CS to reach pathogens in UR infections. I don't think Brooks ever mentioned treating UR infections with oral CS. Everything I recall reading was using it with DMSO and nebulizing it wasn't it? Marshall
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
First nausea, then vomiting. Later torn up bowls and severe dysentery Marshall Barbara Liles wrote: What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Opps, forgot. Also severe headache and weakness. Like a really bad case of the flu. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: First nausea, then vomiting. Later torn up bowls and severe dysentery Marshall Barbara Liles wrote: What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE; CS a Scam
In article 3da3056a.ea6fd...@cableone.net, Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net wrote: Frank: In his first Report it was Colloidal Silver, I wrote to him with what I have experienced and said basically he was totally wrong, he now came out with this report. I tried to put the link on the silver list but it was too big I guess. I cut and past below, and post the link. http://www.youngagain.com Colloidal silver has no value and almost no silver in the solution. Yes, it is true that colloidal silver has EXTERNAL uses in bandages for burns, wounds, and infections but no internal ones. Roger Mason calls this news letter Hall of Shame Tel Tofflemire Dewey, Az I found the article here: http://www.youngagain2000.com/col.html This chump has simply swallowed the Quackwatch piece hook, line, and sinker. The guy has done no real research. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTo Marshall re: Blue Fingernails
Marshall, That is how my fingernails got blue. I understand that the fingernails are where argyria first starts. Are they still blue? What kind of generator were you using to make your cs? What ppm? And this happened after only a few weeks? Thanks, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa CLARIFICATION
I would like to make a clarifying statement relative to our experiences with DMSO and CS in urinary tract pathogenic insults. We did, in fact, conduct some experimental research addressing urinary tract/bladder-specific pathogenic presentations. Among the protocols invoked were varying concentrations of DMSO X CS. Without laborious explanation I offer the following general comment on our experiences in these evaluations. We found, in general, 90% CS (as the parent solution) mixed with 10% (by volume) of full-strength DMSO, to be quite efficacious in controlling a number of, previously, non-responsive pathogenic presentations in the bladder and lower urinary tract of both female and male research volunteers. I will not elaborate on the details of the exact protocol other than to state that quite simple methodologies were utilized to introducevia catheterizing instrumentationthese solutions directly into the bladder and adjacent urethral environments. A majority (approximately 85%) of the volunteers enjoyed a rapid and complete, favorable, resolution of their various pathogenic insults. Notable among the results was the speed (sometimes within 24 hours) of the favorable response and the exponential reduction in pathogen populations. We have engaged in rather extensive evaluations of colloidal silver and DMSO over the recently-passed years..experiencing, in general, results superior over most of the more conventional alleopathic addresses-for both systemic in vivo and topical insults of a pathogenic nature. Our original investigations were prompted by an interest in the work of Dr. Stanley Jacob and his associates. If any are interested, you may find the following url of interest. Http://www.jacoblab.com/Studies.htm Most especially the reference to the investigation of DMSO use in interstitial insults. We found that the addition of colloidal silver increased effectivities by an order of magnitude. I do not wish to become engaged in adversarial confrontation with ANY of the list membershipall may make of these comments what they desire. However, they are given with an attitude of assistance onlydesigned toward assistng those who would willingly accept the responsibility for educating themselves in maintaining their personal health in the presently-extant socio-economic environment. Do remember that our research experiences are experimental only and do not reflect or imply any form of medical treatment, cure or prescription..for ANY medical condition. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. Although I do not often do so, I have an admonition issued in the distant past.which seems appropriate in the face of some of the more strident comment now manifesting on the list Fanatic.One who redoubles his effort...after having lost sight of his goal. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes, that is to what I was referring: upper Respiratory tract infections. Sorry for the too-cryptic abbreviation. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route.The work of Brooks Bradley's group shows that DMSO does enable CS to reach pathogens in UR infections. I don't think Brooks ever mentioned treating UR infections with oral CS. Everything I recall reading was using it with DMSO and nebulizing it wasn't it? Marshall
Re: CSCS Tap Water
Dear Jason: Thank you for your reply. Just like you I try to be very careful and attempt to research things before blindly following standard methods. I purchased several brands of generators and also built kits from the available information. I was not satisfied with the somewhat uncontrolled results. It seems that with the 27 volt method, 90% of the product is produced in the last 10% of time and if you are not watching carefully you will have either mostly pure water or mud and silver flakes floating on top of the water. Since I like to measure things, I bought the Hanna PWT and Laser from Trem and did some research. I have come up with a method that self limits the concentration of silver ions to about 15 uS as measured with the Hanna PWT. Even after 5 days of brewing, the concentration stays below 20 uS and there is very little Tindel as shown by the Laser. What does happen is that as the concentration increases, the silver ions plate back out onto the negative silver electrode. However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. So, let us say that your above statement does not apply. ( Please feel free to argue this if you like. ) Then what would you say? Would this be a good method of purifying water by precipitation of solids and disinfecting the swimmers? I would prefer using silver instead of chlorine unless there are some negative factors. What would be a proper dilution, 10 to 1? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: SilverMedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CSCS Tap Water Jim: Who knows what compounds are made in such a process. However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. As with using saline solution as a primer, a great deal of silver will remain in the solution. The end result is a poorer quality product with too much actual silver content. It wouldn't surprise me if one discovered that metallic silver was actually plating out in the process, in small quantities of course. Jason - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: CSCS Tap Water Dear Jason: I do know how to make CS with distilled water. I use low voltage and current limiting. It is about 15 uS as measured on a PWT and has low Tindell as shown with the laser. But, I have experimented making CS with tap water which in my case is well water. I have been reluctant to drink it though. Do you think that the process causes silver to be electroplated onto the mineral content of the well water? I seem to get a brown residue in the bottom of the jar and a thin black coating or plating on the sides of the jar. Does this mean that I am precipitating the minerals in the water? I am undecided whether this is good or bad. What do you think? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: SilverMedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: CSCS Tap Water Diane/all: There's nothing wrong with taking isolated silver and adding it tap water; the issue in question would be whether tap water was used during production. There are plenty of salts in the body to convert silver ions into silver chloride. Not adding CS to tapwater is not going to make one bit of difference. In fact, silver ions are not going to get out of the body as ions, period. At some point, most if not all ions will be converted to salts or proteins, and perhaps reconverted to ions, then back to any number of possible compounds. To think anything else is nothing more or less than unclear thinking. What happens between point A ( drinking CS ) and point Z ( the silver either exits the body in particulate/compound form or is deposited in the body in particulate/compound form ) is the miracle of CS. The point I've been trying to make for several years now is that not everyone is at equal risk for Argyria. Joe can take CS for thirty years and have no problem. Joe builds a website that says it is completely non-toxic, add a pinch of salt in the production process because we are impatient...
CScalluses
i've a friend, mechanic, on his feet all day, developing big calluses on his heels. anyone with a good remedy. so far, i've found that soaking feet in neil's prill water, and taking MSM works. thanks,,, jim
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
You really don't want to know -- but here they are in chronological order: 1. A queasy, uneasy very full feeling in the stomach. 2. Constant burping. 3. Diarreah 4. Copious amounts of very noxious flatulence 5. Constipation This goes on for 18 days, with the diarreah alternating daily with the constipation, and constant gas emissions from both ends. You also suffer a loss of appetite, because eating anything triggers 1-5 every day you eat. Lovely, isn't it? The - Original Message - From: Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTo Marshall re: Blue Fingernails
Very interesting. Back in 1943 to 1945 when on flight status as engineer flying mostly at 20 angels, on O2 ofcourse, it was my job to check my nails every 15 to 20 minutes and sing out on the intercom to the rest of the crew to check their nails. Thankfully we never had an O2 failure, but those things happen and fast. Bob
Re: CSStan Jones e-mail address
From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:02:43 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStan Jones e-mail address Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 04:02:34 -0700 No need the deluge the man with inquiries. One e-mail will do for us all. ...Mike?... I agree, if he gets flooded with requests for info about himself/CS production methods/ etc., you couldn't blame him for not responding. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTylosin
Robb, why are you afraid of H202? I have been taking one drop H202 per ea 2oz
CS so I'm very interested in your concerns.
Mary Lee
- Original Message -
From: Robb Allen
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:21 AM
Subject: CSTylosin
Hi to everyone.I've been on silver now for about a year for my
Rheumatoid Arthritis...Ive a tremendous improvement, however CS seems to
do alot more to clear up my bloodstream than it does to kill Mycoplasma already
living in my joints. I was trying H202 for a while..and even though it seems
to help alot with the pain...{I don't know why} it sorta scares me. I've been
readin alot here lately about tylosin...{usually a drug for animals}...I'm
not sure if there is a human version or not...from what I've been reading
this stuff is supposed to really wipe out mycoplasma in a hurryorally
it is not quite as effective as IM. I am thinking very seriously about trying
this to rid myself of the last 10% of my arthritis. I've owned and operated a
farm for my entire life and it is well known that if you have a hog that is
sick and down from arthritis, Tylosin will clear it up in a hurry...why do
they not do this for humans?...I've seen the list of what it kills and it
is a vast list.almost as big as CS itself. I wish there was a way for me
to get the CS deeper into my joints where it could do the job becuase I know it
kills what I have. When I quit taking it for a break..and then start
again..I have a herx reaction for about the first week..and then some
major improvement.and then it levels off leaving me much better than
before.but still with the critters living in my joints...Tylosin may be
my answer..?.I don't know.still reading hereRobb
CSRe: [CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #752]
Hi, I tried to send this and got cut off, If you get it twice, Sorry Try going here http://silverlist.org/ Yours Hank songbirdizzy songbirdi...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been trying unsuccessfully to remove myself from this list for nearly 2 weeks. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. Feel free to e-mail me privately. Liz Slater K9Kidney Foundation Pickles and Peaches. Waiting at the Bridge: Angels Mousse, Ginger, Cookie Camry Has your dog had a wellness check lately? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Although I'm sure you want to pack your own CS, don't forget that Mexico is the land of the legendary Microdyn, available at $1 a bottle in almost every tienda and farmacia in the nation. An equally good brand is BacDyn, which is twice the bang for the buck, because it is 30ml, versus Microdyn's 15ml, at the same price. Buenas suerte y viaje bien - Original Message - From: Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa Yikes, sounds rough! I like CLEAR answers to questions.don't think you could get any clearer! I see you are posting from MX. I'm headed in that direction soon and figure it would be advisable to take my CS. - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa You really don't want to know -- but here they are in chronological order: 1. A queasy, uneasy very full feeling in the stomach. 2. Constant burping. 3. Diarreah 4. Copious amounts of very noxious flatulence 5. Constipation This goes on for 18 days, with the diarreah alternating daily with the constipation, and constant gas emissions from both ends. You also suffer a loss of appetite, because eating anything triggers 1-5 every day you eat. Lovely, isn't it? The - Original Message - From: Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: [Re: CScalluses]
Nope, I use it every day for my coffee and drinking water. Yours Hank Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - Oh dear, am I the only one that doesn't know what Neil's prill water is? - Original Message - From: Acmeair To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: CScalluses i've a friend, mechanic, on his feet all day, developing big calluses on his heels. anyone with a good remedy. so far, i've found that soaking feet in neil's prill water, and taking MSM works. thanks,,, jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFW: [CSCats-Dogs] Kefir grains
I have enough extra Live Kefir Grains to send out two starts. If anyone is looking for grains, please contact me off list. Does require the cost of the priority shipping to send. Connie
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Marshall Dudley wrote: dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, . As I am sure you know from all the discussions we have had here previously oral CS is usless for upper respiratory, since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. I have to beg your pardon a bit ! Do you know how many times I have read how great CS is snippety - snip This is interesting! I could understand that PCR techniques might give a statistically invalid picture of the presence of various scraps of protein, thus suggesting HIV when it is not present, but to go from that to the conclusion that HIV is therefor present is quite a jump. Is there more info on this statement that everyone already has HIV in their system - that it is everywhere?? Regarding your claim that HIV will not affect a person with a healthy immune system . . . many if not most of the victims of AIDS started off with healthy immune systems, and when they found they were infected with HIV put much time and energy into health and immune strengthening protocols; were they all just weaklings, immunologically speaking? How can you get much less innocuous than HIV? It is impossible to get an elevated HIV count without the immune system being completely destroyed. If you take an HIV test without diluting the blood 100:1, you will find everyone has some HIV in the blood, it is everywhere. It will not affect a healthy person at all. The tough ones are things like lyme. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Well, there you have it! Just spit in the hypodeemic nerdle first, and all your troubles will soon be over. g dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Marshall, We had E-Coli tested with 3.5 ppm CS by UT in 1999, and the results were a 100% kill. I dont doubt this at all. Salmonella is easily killed outside the body also but not inside! Common spit will kill HIV in vitro but it doesnt do much inside the body! Apples against oranges I say!:-) Don Wells If you make a few ridiculous assumptions, you'll find everything I say or do totally justified, -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Hi; This discussion is confusing, to me anyway. You are testing CS (presumeably) against protozoa in birds, you are testing it's effects on upper respiratory or cloacal infections by administering it either as an oral or cloacal infusion - douche (respectively, perhaps?) And you find negative results you expect to apply to experimental human topical administration via nebulizer for respiratory infections? I must have missed some part of the thread, and yes, I'll add my two cents worth; topically, CS works both as a bactericide and a viricide in vivo, as well as promoting eukaryotic cell dedifferentiation (a wunnerful word, that) and subsequently enhanced healing of deep tissue wounds. Information and peer reviewed studies are found all over the place regarding this. If your protozoa are eukaryotic, I'd expect the unexpected in the presence of the ionic portion of 'C'S, wouldn't you? dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Hi Christine, It is too bad that CS doesn't work on this. Maybe it does, but only if used alot longer. This type of disease/protozoa grows very fast and it seems that you don't have much time to experiement on the treatment type. After the bloody poo starts, you only have a few days to kill the prot. or you'll lose the patient. I am glad you finally went another route and didnt stick to the CS. It plainly doesn't work on Isospora or Eimeria ( Coccisosis species) despite what you may have read. What disturbs me so much is that after all this time spent researching all the literature on the net and in books etc the people that extoll CS so loudly are misrepresenting it totally! CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I am just not the believer I once was in this so called mir! acle cure. I have found other things far better I feel in the meantime, that do work! Don Wells If you make a few ridiculous assumptions, you'll find everything I say or do totally justified, -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNon-Metallic Silver
Thanks, Ivan. I also got a good reply from M. Dudley about the properties of metals.So much to learn. . . . JBB Ivan Anderson wrote: JBB, Any silver salt or compound could be thought of as non-metallic. Indeed, silver bonded to a molecule containing carbon would be called organic. Metallic properties don't develop until a certain number of silver atoms are bonded together. Nano-sized particles of silver or other metals display unusual characteristics not found in the bulk metal. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, 4 October 2002 1:04 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNon-Metallic Silver I agree with James Allison here: we need facts, not speculation. Hope Mr. Jones will be forthcoming so that we can draw sound conclusions. By the way, on the interesting EMTrading.com web site, I find a products called SeaSilver, and other products from the same company. One product is referred to as a non-metallic silver. Could anyone enlighten me about this? I have learned a great deal about the depths of my ignorance by reading info. posted by full-time scientists here, and hope to learn more. Is non-metallic silver an oxymoron? JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Malcolm Stebbins wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, . As I am sure you know from all the discussions we have had here previously oral CS is usless for upper respiratory, since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. I have to beg your pardon a bit ! Do you know how many times I have read how great CS is snippety - snip This is interesting! I could understand that PCR techniques might give a statistically invalid picture of the presence of various scraps of protein, thus suggesting HIV when it is not present, but to go from that to the conclusion that HIV is therefor present is quite a jump. Is there more info on this statement that everyone already has HIV in their system - that it is everywhere?? Regarding your claim that HIV will not affect a person with a healthy immune system . . . many if not most of the victims of AIDS started off with healthy immune systems, and when they found they were infected with HIV put much time and energy into health and immune strengthening protocols; were they all just weaklings, immunologically speaking? Standard medical protocol if one is diagnosed as having HIV is to fill them with poisons that destroy the immune system, making an advanced HIV infection and AIDS almost a given. A significant portion of the people who have and die of AIDS never show a high HIV count (that is they show up negative on the standard HIV test with the normal prescribed dilution factor), and a significant number of those which are diagnosed with HIV never develop aids as long as they avoid things like AZT. When I get the chance I will direct you to some of the papers on this. AIDS is a symptom of a suppressed immune system. There is no ONE cause, but two of the biggest causes are benzene and benzene derivatives in the Western World, and parasites in Africa. HIV is opportunistic, and once the immune system is compromised it can drive the nail in the coffin so to speak. There is good evidence that another virus is more likely the destructive one. I can't remember which one it was, but will try and find the documentation. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Benzene: http://www.health-truth.com/articles/hiv02.asp http://www.aidsinfobbs.org/articles/quilty/q05/2163 http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/sblubejob.htm http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/324/7331/237#19114 http://www.healtoronto.com/ifnothiv.html http://www.sumeria.net/aids/whatif.html http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/ AZT: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cffiction.htm malnutrition in Africa is major cause there: http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/324/7335/446/a#20389 http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/324/7337/564#20541 Marshall Malcolm Stebbins wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, . As I am sure you know from all the discussions we have had here previously oral CS is usless for upper respiratory, since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. I have to beg your pardon a bit ! Do you know how many times I have read how great CS is snippety - snip This is interesting! I could understand that PCR techniques might give a statistically invalid picture of the presence of various scraps of protein, thus suggesting HIV when it is not present, but to go from that to the conclusion that HIV is therefor present is quite a jump. Is there more info on this statement that everyone already has HIV in their system - that it is everywhere?? Regarding your claim that HIV will not affect a person with a healthy immune system . . . many if not most of the victims of AIDS started off with healthy immune systems, and when they found they were infected with HIV put much time and energy into health and immune strengthening protocols; were they all just weaklings, immunologically speaking? How can you get much less innocuous than HIV? It is impossible to get an elevated HIV count without the immune system being completely destroyed. If you take an HIV test without diluting the blood 100:1, you will find everyone has some HIV in the blood, it is everywhere. It will not affect a healthy person at all. The tough ones are things like lyme. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Tap Water
Jim: That's really interesting. In fact, fascinating. It's hard to argue with measured observations, so instead I'd like to ask a few questions! What kind of water is it that you are using? From the conversation, my initial understanding is that it is tap water. However, most tap water I've had experience with would test off the chart on a PWT meter. You give ending measurements at about 15 - 20 uS. Am I to assume that the process you are using does in fact precipitate out all dissolved solids? Have you playing with magnets again? *j/k* The fact that the ionic portion of the CS levels off is not so surprising to me. Slowing the reaction down ( this is in regards to distilled water ) can increase the ionic content by reducing agglomeration, allowing one to achieve a higher concentration of silver ions through proper hydration of the ions ( for lack of a more suitable term ). However, the result of the measurement of silver ions stabilizing usually means that agglomeration is occuring, easily gauged by the laser. So pray tell Jim - how are you stablizing the reaction? As far as pool water goes, I can only guess at effective concentrations. Someone else may have more definitive data. I would start with a beginning concentration of .5 - 1 PPM and begin monitoring growth in the water. One shouldn't need anywhere near the end concentration needed to fight an infection in the human body, or as high as would be needed in a bacterial friendly environment ( such as waste ). If chlorine is being used in the water, the idea would be to taper it off. Of course, the greatest challenge is measuring everything, including the total silver concentration in the water and organism growth. I know that quite a few people simply gauge by lack of algae growth, but I'd be more comfortable with actual testing of the water at different stages. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: CSCS Tap Water Dear Jason: Thank you for your reply. Just like you I try to be very careful and attempt to research things before blindly following standard methods. I purchased several brands of generators and also built kits from the available information. I was not satisfied with the somewhat uncontrolled results. It seems that with the 27 volt method, 90% of the product is produced in the last 10% of time and if you are not watching carefully you will have either mostly pure water or mud and silver flakes floating on top of the water. Since I like to measure things, I bought the Hanna PWT and Laser from Trem and did some research. I have come up with a method that self limits the concentration of silver ions to about 15 uS as measured with the Hanna PWT. Even after 5 days of brewing, the concentration stays below 20 uS and there is very little Tindel as shown by the Laser. What does happen is that as the concentration increases, the silver ions plate back out onto the negative silver electrode. However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. So, let us say that your above statement does not apply. ( Please feel free to argue this if you like. ) Then what would you say? Would this be a good method of purifying water by precipitation of solids and disinfecting the swimmers? I would prefer using silver instead of chlorine unless there are some negative factors. What would be a proper dilution, 10 to 1? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: SilverMedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CSCS Tap Water Jim: Who knows what compounds are made in such a process. However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. As with using saline solution as a primer, a great deal of silver will remain in the solution. The end result is a poorer quality product with too much actual silver content. It wouldn't surprise me if one discovered that metallic silver was actually plating out in the process, in small quantities of course. Jason - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: CSCS Tap Water Dear Jason: I do know how to make CS with distilled water. I use low voltage and current limiting. It is about 15 uS as measured on a PWT and has low Tindell as shown with the
Re: CScalluses
barbara, go to the archives of this site and do a search on prill. or prill water, and read up. neil has been nice enough to offer interested people the prill beads for making this stuff. nice man! these beads make structured water out of plain water, or tap water, whatever. i drink it daily, and like it very much. - Original Message - From: Barbara Liles To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:49 AM Subject: Re: CScalluses Oh dear, am I the only one that doesn't know what Neil's prill water is? - Original Message - From: Acmeair To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: CScalluses i've a friend, mechanic, on his feet all day, developing big calluses on his heels. anyone with a good remedy. so far, i've found that soaking feet in neil's prill water, and taking MSM works. thanks,,, jim
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa CLARIFICATION
on 10/8/02 9:51 AM, Marshall Dudley at mdud...@execonn.com wrote: Another protocol you may want to try if you run into trouble with that one is CS and cranberry juice (not the white) . However with caution of taking juice with CS you might want to separate them by 15 mintues or so, although I never did. I have found it to be very effective as well. Marshall Brooks Bradley wrote: I would like to make a clarifying statement relative to our experiences with DMSO and CS in urinary tract pathogenic insults. We did, in fact, conduct some experimental research addressing urinary tract/bladder-specific pathogenic presentations. Among the protocols invoked were varying concentrations of DMSO X CS. Without laborious explanation I offer the following general comment on our experiences in these evaluations. We found, in general, 90% CS (as the parent solution) mixed with 10% (by volume) of full-strength DMSO, to be quite efficacious in controlling a number of, previously, non-responsive pathogenic presentations in the bladder and lower urinary tract of both female and male research volunteers. I will not elaborate on the details of the exact protocol other than to state that quite simple methodologies were utilized to introducevia catheterizing instrumentationthese solutions directly into the bladder and adjacent urethral environments. A majority (approximately 85%) of the volunteers enjoyed a rapid and complete, favorable, resolution of their various pathogenic insults. Notable among the results was the speed (sometimes within 24 hours) of the favorable response and the exponential reduction in pathogen populations. We have engaged in rather extensive evaluations of colloidal silver and DMSO over the recently-passed years..experiencing, in general, results superior over most of the more conventional alleopathic addresses-for both systemic in vivo and topical insults of a pathogenic nature. Our original investigations were prompted by an interest in the work of Dr. Stanley Jacob and his associates. If any are interested, you may find the following url of interest. Http://www.jacoblab.com/Studies.htm Most especially the reference to the investigation of DMSO use in interstitial insults. We found that the addition of colloidal silver increased effectivities by an order of magnitude. I do not wish to become engaged in adversarial confrontation with ANY of the list membershipall may make of these comments what they desire. However, they are given with an attitude of assistance onlydesigned toward assistng those who would willingly accept the responsibility for educating themselves in maintaining their personal health in the presently-extant socio-economic environment. Do remember that our research experiences are experimental only and do not reflect or imply any form of medical treatment, cure or prescription..for ANY medical condition. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. Although I do not often do so, I have an admonition issued in the distant past.which seems appropriate in the face of some of the more strident comment now manifesting on the list Fanatic.One who redoubles his effort...after having lost sight of his goal. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes, that is to what I was referring: upper Respiratory tract infections. Sorry for the too-cryptic abbreviation. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route.The work of Brooks Bradley's group shows that DMSO does enable CS to reach pathogens in UR infections. I don't think Brooks ever mentioned treating UR infections with oral CS. Everything I recall reading was using it with DMSO and nebulizing it wasn't it? Marshall Dear Mr. Bradley does cs or cs and dmso together help with parkinson disease
CSRe: old raw ground beef,
Hi Marshall, Do you stay in touch with these guys? I have some experiments I want to do with rat poison... Andy From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa Well, I can't think of a much better test than Taipan ran some time ago, when he and a friend intentionally ate month old raw ground beef, one took CS and the other did not. snip Marshall
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Hey Don! Here's my take short and to the point. Some of us have been saved (as in kept alive) decidedly because of CS! I for one was losing a battle with a deep tissue infection that could only be simmered down with antibiotics (including Vancomycin) for four years. IV CS with penetrants to get it where it needed to go CURED me! So your adamant put down of CS is past trite! Respectfully, but in all truth, I don't think you are capable of critical thinkingit's about those barriers that can't be penetrated! Barbara - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa dwells2...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, . As I am sure you know from all the discussions we have had here previously oral CS is usless for upper respiratory, since there is no way for it to reach the infected mucus via that route. I have to beg your pardon a bit ! Do you know how many times I have read how great CS is and how it in its smallest forms is absorbed by the blood and carried all over the body and suffocates bad bugs wherver it finds them? Not here. It is well known in this group, and has been discussed many times that CS cannot got to certain places, the intestines, the lungs, the brain, the lymph system are a few of them orally. So what you are saying is that you are reading hype somewhere, then coming to this list to blast CS and claim that it doesn't work. Try seeing if it works as those on this list claim, not some out of the blue who knows where you got it stuff. Nothing you have given is a surprise to any of us, you could have saved yourself a lot of time and effort by simply checking the archives here on these things. It is like me going to a newsgroup on aspirin and saying that aspirin did not cure my dandruff, or my athletes foot, then claiming that aspirin does not do what it is claim to do. Use it according to what it known and you will get the same results as everyone else here. Try to use it on things and in ways that we all know will not work, and you will still get the expected results. How about the differences between Colloidal and ionic and how one works so much better then the other and on and on and on! This is been discussed here repeatedly. They both work in harmony. CS is likely better for oral use, ionic for topical, and both for nebulizing. The ionic form is the one that will allow cells to revert to stem cells. Since it is impossible to get one without the other when making it via electrolysis, why worry about it? Thoise testimonmials from all sorts of folks how wonderful it was at curing everything from protatitis and HIV! I don't know about the protatitis, never hear of it. Do you mean prostatitis? If so, I have been in this newsgroup for 4 years now, and don't recall it ever being discussed. But several studies have shown it to be very effective against HIV. I am not sure about curing HIV, since HIV is apparently a marker for a highly supressed immune system. If you kill it off, it will come right back as long as the system is supressed. You have to fix the cause, not the symptom. Now how the hell does it come into contact with the prostrate if its not absorbed in the intestines? Who said it does? I have never hear anything about it. I have never seen nor heard anything about it helpting the prostrate. I think saw pimento is best for that. How does it get to HIV yet other things much less innocuous are not effected? Seems to me the conditions it now is supposed to treat have been greatly over exagerated by many! How can you get much less innocuous than HIV? It is impossible to get an elevated HIV count without the immune system being completely destroyed. If you take an HIV test without diluting the blood 100:1, you will find everyone has some HIV in the blood, it is everywhere. It will not affect a healthy person at all. The tough ones are things like lyme. Marshall
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Thanks, pretty much what I thought. How about fever? - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa Opps, forgot. Also severe headache and weakness. Like a really bad case of the flu. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: First nausea, then vomiting. Later torn up bowls and severe dysentery Marshall Barbara Liles wrote: What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Yikes, sounds rough! I like CLEAR answers to questions.don't think you could get any clearer! I see you are posting from MX. I'm headed in that direction soon and figure it would be advisable to take my CS. - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa You really don't want to know -- but here they are in chronological order: 1. A queasy, uneasy very full feeling in the stomach. 2. Constant burping. 3. Diarreah 4. Copious amounts of very noxious flatulence 5. Constipation This goes on for 18 days, with the diarreah alternating daily with the constipation, and constant gas emissions from both ends. You also suffer a loss of appetite, because eating anything triggers 1-5 every day you eat. Lovely, isn't it? The - Original Message - From: Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa What are the symptoms of salmonella? - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa I started taking CS the moment I knew I had salmonella, which is generally to following morning after eating the infected food. By now, I can ID the symptoms pretty easily. I have found from experience that you must continue taking CS even after the salmonella symptoms have disappeared, or it will return in a more virulent form. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa 18 hours! Wow. You must have waited a long time before hitting the CS. I find 2 to 4 minutes to be closer to how long it takes to recover from salmonella when taken within 15 minutes of the first sign of trouble. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have killed three cases of salmonella typhus with CS, each in 18 hours instead of the 18 days it takes your body to overcome salmonella. - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:16:12 EDT, dwells2...@aol.com wrote: CS might kill certain bugs I dont doubt that but in practice and with scientific testing at my behest we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Have you, personally, actually tested this?? I don't know about E.coli, but it does work on other bacteria in the lungs (and worked for viral pneumonia)! Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Now I suppose I will get notes from all the diehards out there that dont want to hear this news! It's not news. It's improper application. Go ahead use it and just be careful with playing with others lives!. I might suggest the same to you. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScalluses
Oh dear, am I the only one that doesn't know what Neil's prill water is? - Original Message - From: Acmeair To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: CScalluses i've a friend, mechanic, on his feet all day, developing big calluses on his heels. anyone with a good remedy. so far, i've found that soaking feet in neil's prill water, and taking MSM works. thanks,,, jim
