CSVirus?
Mike Monett wrote: P.S. Be on the lookout for viruses. I got another one from the list today, but my spam program kicked it out as usual. They won't run on my system, so I have no worries. But others may not be so lucky. Did anybody see such a thing? I have had no indication of the list server forwarding any dangerous attachments or other miscreants, or even blocking any from being sent. If, however, you received a message doctored to look like an old list message, Mike, it was generated by another list member's infected machine that happened to harvest such a message to use as a disguise. There is no way for me to create a defense against this since it all happens directly between the infected machine and it's victims, not involving the list server at all. All posters on any list are vulnerable to this kind of attack. Also, some antivirus software will false trigger on some of the harmless attachments that people send, like vcards and such. I have some anti-virus provisions installed on the list server. They are effective, so far, but could always be thwarted by something unforeseen. If you have real evidence of something getting through the list server, let me know. If not, please don't needlessly cast suspicion on the list itself. Always have antivirus software running on your machine, everyone, and keep it up to date. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61932.html Re: CSSilverGen specs. From: Wayne Fugitt Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:52:44 Evening Mike, I'll probably continue making that mistake forever:) Real technicians don't worry about that because they make the same mistakes. They read what you meant, not what you said. grin Wayne Morning Wayne, It used to be called mho. Everyone thought that was a stupid name and nobody used it. Then they changed it to Siemens, which sounds exotic so everyone uses it. They even marked it on the instruments, so I guess we're stuck with it:) Anyway, I guess it has a useful purpose. I just ordered some samples from Analog Devices to make a simple A/D converter to measure the cell voltage during the brew. I figure if I plot the conductance during the first half-hour or so, it should show a straight line until the respective ions reach the opposite electrodes. Then, when they start to combine and make oxide, the slope of the line should change. But that's ok. The initial slope shows the conductivity constant for the electrode configuration. We can use it along with the Faraday equation to tell what the actual ppm is. Here's an attempt to show a diagram: |\ | \ Initial Slope | \ | \ |\ | \ | \ | . Oxide Formation |- -. |- -. |- - Now all we have to do is project the initial slope to intercept the X-axis, and draw a horizontal line from the final conductance value over to the Y-Axis. The two lines will intersect. Since we know the current and the cell volume, the intercept point should give us the final ppm of the cs. The circuit is very simple. If you are interested, go to Analog Devices, make a nice-sounding business name such as XYZ Consulting, and register for free samples. Their policy is generous, so you are not cheating. They want to give you free samples. Get two each of the following (The circuit uses one of each, but you always need spares:) AD7791 24-bit A/D, 19 usable bits AD8554 Quad Op Amp. 5nV/C tempco, 20pA input bias current ADR381 2.5V 5ppm/C reference NOTE: the samples link for the AD7791 points to the AD7788. I ordered them by mistake, and now it won't let me order the AD7791 since I have reached the limit. So the first try will only be 16 bits, which is probably good enough. When you go to order the AD7791, you will see a long string in the url that contains AD7788. Just change it to AD7791 and it will take you to the correct page. The plan is to use a cheap optocoupler like the 4N26 for isolation and several lines off the parallel port for data transfer. A simple 9V wallwart will supply the power and give isolation probably good to 250V or so. I won't bother getting precision resistors for absolute accuracy - probably 1% is all that is needed. All we want is the slope of the line and we can do the rest in software. It will be in Pascal and run under dos, as usual. Time permitting, we should have yet another way to measure the ppm! Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVirus?
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:00:28 -0005, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Did anybody see such a thing? I have had no indication of the list server forwarding any dangerous attachments or other miscreants, or even blocking any from being sent. I spent some time clearing one from my machine yesterday (lovsan). Don't know where it came from, but it was too new for the AV software. Check for msblast.exe running on your machines. On XP boxes, constant reboots are a symptom. Update your software. Practice safe hex! Chuck Nice computers don't go down. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Whoa! Hold on Mike! Ken's Silverpuppy runs at 24 ppm. Knowing the problems he has had with you in the past on calibration solutions for the Hanna, and the care he takes with the numbers he posts, I tend to believe him. So that's 24 ppm for round 12 ga wire. A considerable improvement. But now you now state you can make 45 ppm that is crystal clear. Why didn't you say that before? And if you can, how soon can you put it in production? If you can make it, I'll buy it. Neither Ken nor myself can do that with round 12 ga. But first you have to show me. Send me some and I'll do a simple salt test and look at the dispersion:) ##I CAN make over 24 PPM and so can you [I just can't do it with ultra low current and no stirring]...the auto off is set to 24 PPM because over that, 'some' people get into trouble. I have no doubt that Trem can do the same. The generators are not all that different. We get to similar places in slightly different ways, that's all. There is now an auto off bypass switch so any PPM can be made or lousy water can be used if needed. Also, I have lab tests that say that that 24 PPM is actually 45.5 PPM and other results that say it's 20 PPM. I just don't know who to believe , so, I go with my PWT and Trems fudge factor just so we're all on the same page. We need some sort of standard just to communicate...even if it's wrong? It's not so much 'care' as it is caution. The bold FACT is, I don't know and have no way to find out when everyone else claims to know but can't agree. The problems I had with the PWTs had to do with Hannas incompetence in packaging calibration solutions. The meters themselves are very good as far as they go and for what they do while we mis-apply them. I had no problems with Trem. Hanna is obtuse and gives everyone the run around [including Trem] before admitting an obvious error. It just took both of us yelling to move Hanna...and some small amount of effort to get past Trems faith in Hanna. Your are correct, a bipolar or MOSFET switch does have leakage in the off state. This can be in the nanoampere range. With 2 gal of dw, this would add 2e-6 ppm per hour, which is a totally insignificant amount. ### Except that over a period of several hours, some strange deposits can grow. Harmless and dissipates or is filterable, but not very pretty. It's a minor problem that can become significant if a great deal of negligence is employed. A relay also has measurable leakage and cannot be used in some sensitive circuits I design. But the greatest problem with leakage currents is the pcb itself. Look up guard ring. The residual flux used in soldering can also be a major problem. If you try to clean the pcb with alcohol, you can leave highly conductive salts that cause a short between traces. When the humidity gets high, this can cause an amazing amount of leakage. I have measured resistances as low as 10kohm between two traces. ## Naptha does a wonderful job on flux residue...or use water base flux and wash well. But regardless of internal leakage, a mechanical relay does do the job where it counts and off is absolutely off so far as the cell is concerned. A low voltage on a significant air gap is pretty much off, wouldn't you say? Personally, I'd rather not use any mechanical parts at all and a small amount of leakage is the price for utter reliability. ..nor do I use MOSFETS as a spike can kill those things in an instant. PS, I also use an Op amp as a comparator. They take a long time to make up their minds. [a good thing] These are simple slow 'insensitive' circuits. Stone age stuff. My circuitry was designed by a engineer with 55+ years experience..one of the 5 rogue IBM people who started Terminal Communications Inc beating IBM at their own game for quite a whilenow owned by Telex/Memorex. [Also has several patents] He's retired now and designing state of the art 3D laser optical and magnetic scanning devices. A rocket scientist can still hammer out a slingshot..he just has to know when that's appropriate. Remember K.I.S.S.? Me? A Delta V flys so far over my head that it might as well be a satellite. I know how to put oddball things together and watch what they do...not always exactly what they are. If it works like you want it to, don't fix it. Mike, you could be just too darned smart for this. ;-) [That's a compliment] Ode [Ken] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source
CSA Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source From: Mike Monett, Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:21:26 http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61896.html A Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source __ Mike, Your constant current source looks very interesting. A few questions... What sort of voltage supply did you envision that would be giving 150 to 160 volts to use with this circuit? Rectified and filtered AC line voltage (120V, nominal) would work out to approximately 170 VDC. Would this be suitable? Also, what did you mean by R5=2 X 47K ohms? Perhaps you stated the wattage of the various resistors but I didn't see it. I suppose we could calculate it... What is your electrode size and spacing and how long does it take you to reach current limit in your setup? Wasn't there some caveat about making some silver compound at the water/air interface when using these voltages? Did you paint or coat the electrodes at the interface area? Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs
My motto is: Always be sincere whether you mean it or not. Dan ;-)) Re: CSSilverGen specs. From: Mike Monett (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:09:13 I couldn't care less I'm sorry Jack - I thought you were sincere. My mistake. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Virus Sent
I think this was a false positive from Mike Monett's forwarding of the neutered virus sample he had received the other day. Probably enough of it was still intact to trigger a response from your program. It was clearly munged well enough not to still be viable. It should be safe to ignore that warning. sigh So, let's not send any more fragments of suspicious e-mail to the list, 'kay? You can send 'em to me privately if you like! smile Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner I received this from ev1. They killed it before it was sent on to me. DL Subject: WARNING: YOU WERE SENT A VIRUS Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:05:14 -0500 From: postmaster postmas...@mail.ev1.net To: li...@ev1.net, pat...@ev1.net The virus software on ev1.net has reported that you were sent a virus from silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com, with the subject Re: CSVirus?. The E-mail containing the virus has been removed to prevent further damage. the Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus !!! was found in file: Unknown File [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61936.html Re: CSA Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source From: Dan Nave Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:53:29 Hi Dan, Mike, Your constant current source looks very interesting. A few questions... What sort of voltage supply did you envision that would be giving 150 to 160 volts to use with this circuit? Rectified and filtered AC line voltage (120V, nominal) would work out to approximately 170 VDC. Would this be suitable? Sure, but be very careful connecting to the AC line. You can use a polarized plug with a wide blade, or a regular 3-wire plug with a ground. But watch out for reversed connections on the socket. I find them all the time. Your calculation is correct. It should give 170VAC, but there are so many tv's, pc's and other devices on the line that tend to flatten the peak. If you look at it on a scope, you can definitely see the peak has a ramp shape as the filter caps get charged. I also like to add a 10 ohm surge limiter in series with the diode. This reduces the voltage after the rectifier, so I only get about 164VDC. Another alternative is to use two voltage doublers on a 24VAC bell transformer. This will give about 130VDC. Here's a schematic: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/130vdc.htm If you want to use this, increase the caps to about 10uF per mA that you expect to operate. This will give about 1.5V p-p ripple with a half-wave rectifier at 60Hz. I deliberately set the cap values low in the schematic to minimize the short-circuit current in the event of a fault. In any case, be very careful with voltages and currents that can kill. Never trust circuits that run at these levels. Make sure inquisitive kids can't get to it while you are out. Arrange the power switch so it discharges the caps when power is turned off, like this: http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/120vac.gif Also, what did you mean by R5=2 X 47K ohms? Perhaps you stated the wattage of the various resistors but I didn't see it. I suppose we could calculate it... Yes, I forgot to describe that. The TL413 requires a minimum of 1 mA so I set the current to 1.5mA. With 150V source, this takes 100k, and the power dissipation is 225mW. A common 1/4W resistor could be used, but I don't like running components at their rating, so I used two 47k in series to get about 100k. What is your electrode size and spacing and how long does it take you to reach current limit in your setup? Each electrode is 48 inches of 12 ga wound in a flat spiral to fit horizontally inside a Pyrex 2 litre measuring cup. The top electrode is at the 48oz mark, and the bottom electrode is at the 16oz mark. They are about 1.5 inches apart. The cover is a plastic child's starter plate from WallMart with a slot cut in one edge for the handle. I used 6-32 screws to keep the lid aligned and center the electrodes in the Pyrex. It's kind of springy. When I walk in the room and sit at the computer, I can see the 4th digit on the cell voltage bounce around due to small waves disturbing the Nernst diffusion layer. It settles down after a while and the readings are stable to the 5th digit. I am now running at 776 uA, which is about 67uA/sq.in. The initial voltage across the cell is only about 12V, so the current limiting is instantaneous. There's enough headroom to stack 10 cells in series and still have plenty left over. Wasn't there some caveat about making some silver compound at the water/air interface when using these voltages? Did you paint or coat the electrodes at the interface area? Nah. That's Bob's crazy idea. I still have the first electrodes I used for many years. The bottoms measure about 0.027 inch and the tops measure 0.080 inch. There is no necking whatsoever at the water line as he claims. If there were, everyones's electrodes would quickly wear and they would fall in the water. That has never happened:) I definitely do not recommend painting the electrodes at the waterline. You have no idea what kind of chemical reactions might go on during electrolysis. But I do recommend painting the 6-32 screws that hold the electrodes to the cover. Even with galvanizing, they tend to rust after a while. Probably due to the high humidity and long brew times. Thanks, Dan Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVirus?
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61934.html CSVirus? From: M. G. Devour Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:02:26 Mike Monett wrote: P.S. Be on the lookout for viruses. I got another one from the list today, but my spam program kicked it out as usual. They won't run on my system, so I have no worries. But others may not be so lucky. Did anybody see such a thing? I have had no indication of the list server forwarding any dangerous attachments or other miscreants, or even blocking any from being sent. If, however, you received a message doctored to look like an old list message, Mike, it was generated by another list member's infected machine that happened to harvest such a message to use as a disguise. There is no way for me to create a defense against this since it all happens directly between the infected machine and it's victims, not involving the list server at all. All posters on any list are vulnerable to this kind of attack. Also, some antivirus software will false trigger on some of the harmless attachments that people send, like vcards and such. I have some anti-virus provisions installed on the list server. They are effective, so far, but could always be thwarted by something unforeseen. If you have real evidence of something getting through the list server, let me know. If not, please don't needlessly cast suspicion on the list itself. Always have antivirus software running on your machine, everyone, and keep it up to date. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Hi Mike, I think you do a very good job protecting members from these problems. I activated a new email address on Saturday, and the only place it is used is on the Silver List: b9eemj...@sneakemail.com The email was sent directly to the new address and did not come from the list server. This is very similar to the last one I received from Gugli, who is completely fictitious. I'm attaching a copy of the header so you can see for yourself. I added brackets so nobody's browser will think it is a valid message. The header is badly forged, same as before. It is not MBlaster - that one is only about 6k, and this was more like 27k after decoding, same as before. It definitely is not related to the list server. My spam program quickly identifies these things and kicks them out, and they won't run on my system anyway. So I wouldn't worry about it if no one else has received one. Best Regards, Mike Monett From - Tue Aug 12 10:59:10 2003 Received: from monkey.sneakemail.com ([207.106.87.13]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with SMTP id 20030812144541.cpt25058.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia@monkey.sneakemail.com Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:45:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 20222 invoked by uid 501); 12 Aug 2003 14:45:39 - Message-ID: 20030812144539.20202.qm...@monkey.sneakemail.com Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mail.sneakemail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 14:45:36 - Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:45:12 + (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from your-w92p4bhlzg (c-24-118-7-223.mn.client2.attbi.com[24.118.7.223](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id 2003081214450401100ca4p6e; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:45:11 + From: Espen groupmaster-at-industryinet.com |silver2| 09a0hjih0...@sneakemail.com Subject: Re: [cancercured] Re: The Pathology Guy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--0PW4GZZ2N9J7HSW X-Sneakemail-Address: b9eemj...@sneakemail.com X-Sneakemail-Rcpt: b9eemj...@sneakemail.com X-Sneakemail-Keyword: X-Sneakemail-Return-Path: groupmas...@industryinet.com X-Sneakemail-From: Espen groupmas...@industryinet.com X-Sneakemail-Is-Sneakemail: yes X-Sneakemail-Folder-Path: Desktop X-Sneakemail-Inc-Phrase: X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 0PW4GZZ2N9J7HSW Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HTMLHEAD/HEADBODY iframe src=3Dcid:47MBiVaTqI3za height=3D0 width=3D0 /iframe FONT/FONT Read response to the pathguy on this forum:br br m.htmLiver stones or just some formations of oil mixed with body br .. justmarvin 05:29 May 06 2002br http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?fsiP8br http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?fsiQ0br http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?fsiQ1br br br Read also this:br m.htmDyeing to know the answer Andy 17:40 Oct 13br http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?fsi84br br br Lab documentation of stonesbr br
CSSilverGen specs.
Mike, Hey Trem, cool it. I was going on the figures you posted in response to my question, and Robert's measurements with flat plates. You stated that the highest ppm you can achieve in your production unit is 20 ppm, with a 20% fudge factor for oxide. That gives 16.7 ppm ionic. I have never stated that the highest PPM we can achieve is 20 PPM and I have never indicated there is 20% oxide fudge factor. I do say that we calibrate our CS generators to put out at least 20 PPM ionic content and the fudge factor is to add 20% for the colloidal portion which is not read by the PWT meter. We have calibrated the SG7 to produce 30+ PPM (ionic) for some customers but normally set them for 20+ PPM. But now you now state you can make 45 ppm that is crystal clear. Why didn't you say that before? And if you can, how soon can you put it in production? Yes, we can make 45 PPM under good conditions but I'm sure you understand we wanted to make a generator that will produce clear CS under all conditions and not just ideal conditions. If you can make it, I'll buy it. Neither Ken nor myself can do that with round 12 ga. But first you have to show me. Send me some and I'll do a simple salt test and look at the dispersion:) Unbelievable. You want to do a salt test. You are so scientific in everything you talk about but you think a test so subjective as using salt is the way to test CS. I think reading a digital readout is a much better way to go. At least my eye can't sway the reading. It is what it is. Of course I won't send you any. It would be a waste of my time and money. Trem, here are my credentials: 31 years experience designing precision instrumentation in high-volume disk manufacturing. Invented a technique to measure the bit error rate of disk drives that became a worldwide standard and saved the industry hundreds of millions of dollars. I have 6 patents issued. Here's my patent list: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/patents.htm Latest invention is a new method of capturing wideband signals. It is ten times more accurate and has ten times the throughput of conventional sampling or digitizing scopes. I am in the process of rewriting the entire description to show recent results, but here is the current url: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/sampler/intro.htm I always knew you were intelligent. It's your attitude that gets to me. I never questioned your ability to quote formulas and technical jargon so why are you defending yourself? A relay also has measurable leakage and cannot be used in some sensitive circuits I design. But the greatest problem with leakage currents is the pcb itself. Look up guard ring. I know what a guard ring is. It has no purpose in the type circuitry we use. Look, you and I know this is not that sophisticated design work and what a business tries to do is produce an item that will work well, not fail in service, be easy to operate and make a reasonable profit. Of course one can go to the Nth degree in designing something but it will most likely fail in the marketplace because it would be too expensive to compete with other comparable units. The residual flux used in soldering can also be a major problem. If you try to clean the pcb with alcohol, you can leave highly conductive salts that cause a short between traces. When the humidity gets high, this can cause an amazing amount of leakage. I have measured resistances as low as 10kohm between two traces. As a matter of fact our generator circuit cards have soldermask ( a form of epoxy) applied after wave soldering. Then they are immersed in deionized water and solvent to remove any solder resin. They are then removed from the tank and blown dry with air. They are then baked for 4 hours. The cards are then basically waterproof. Does that satisfy you? And to say that a possible bit of static electricity or a possible spike can possibly skew the shutdown point is really stretching it. I cannot cause any of our units to shut down prematurely by running brush type motors such an electric drill near them. Come ongive it up. This isn't rocket science. A relatively simple, good design with good layout is all that's necessary. We have it. It depends on where you set the ppm adjustment. If you set it to 5 ppm, nothing will affect it. That's at the HIGH setting Mike. Sorry I didn't specify that earlier. No matter what you intimate, our units are rock steady and highly repeatable in relation to using the same water, same volume and wetted electrode depth. One thing you have in your favor is you are using an op amp as a comparator. I was going to mention this, but I figured you had one left over in a dual package, and why go to the added expense of using a proper
CSA Virus Sent
I received this from ev1. They killed it before it was sent on to me. DL Subject: WARNING: YOU WERE SENT A VIRUS Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:05:14 -0500 From: postmaster postmas...@mail.ev1.net To: li...@ev1.net, pat...@ev1.net The virus software on ev1.net has reported that you were sent a virus from silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com, with the subject Re: CSVirus?. The E-mail containing the virus has been removed to prevent further damage. the Exploit-MIME.gen.exe virus !!! was found in file: Unknown File -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLupus
Lupus is considered an autoimmune disease. Although CS may be effective in preventing it by killing pathogens that may trigger the body to generate antibiotics that attack the body, there is some doubt that it would cure it once it occurs, although it may help prevent it's advance. I have wondered if CMO would help lupus, but have never heard of anyone trying it. Marshall mamapug wrote: Hi, Guys, Anyone know anything about Lupus?? I`m wondering if that is what I have... (Apparently the heart thing was caused by the medication I took, Bextra.) Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source
Mike, Sorry to tell you but necking is a real problem when the voltages rise, Also if you check with a microscope the water line there will be increased erosion. I have made over 500 data plots using protocols suggested by members of this list, and all of them have been tested for ppm in accordance idustry standards. How many do you have? When you stop diddling around with 8 to 16 ounces with brew times in excess of 5 to 6 hours and get down to serious business of making EIS, you will find that strange things happen. I have looked at voltages ranging from 1.19 to 330 v dc and 800 to 15kv ac. all data plotted. By the way why have you not taken up my offer for a free test including free postage? Ole Bob Mike Monett wrote: Nah. That's Bob's crazy idea. I still have the first electrodes I used for many years. The bottoms measure about 0.027 inch and the tops measure 0.080 inch. There is no necking whatsoever at the water line as he claims. If there were, everyones's electrodes would quickly wear and they would fall in the water. That has never happened:) I definitely do not recommend painting the electrodes at the waterline. You have no idea what kind of chemical reactions might go on during electrolysis. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLupus
Hi, Guys, Anyone know anything about Lupus?? I`m wondering if that is what I have... (Apparently the heart thing was caused by the medication I took, Bextra.) Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Hi Trem, Very well spoken. Mike Monet is not the only one with patents to his credit. He just has a case of bad attitude, and a closed mind. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:39:15 -0500, Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com wrote: My motto is: Always be sincere whether you mean it or not. Dan Whoops! Just clipped that one! Chuck Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSInnovative Natural Products Analysis
Innovative Natural Products 500 ppm colloidal silver was submitted for analysis by a list member. The bottle identifies the product as being colloidal silver with no mention that it is silver protein. When the bottle is shaken it foams and the foam persists for several minutes indicating that something other than silver and water is present. This is typical of silver protein products. Laboratory analysis indicates the product is a generic silver protein. The total silver concentration was measured to be 603 ppm. The silver particles are suspended in an aqueous animal protein solution (gelatin). For more details including the particle size distribution plot and the FT-IR spectra plot see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr13/ frank key - Colloidal Science Lab. Inc. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInnovative Natural Products Analysis
Hi EIS'ers, Like Frank I received a sample of Innovative Natral Prodycts 1100 ppm colloidal silver. One characterisitic of high ppm silver compounds is that it has an orange color to it that will stain papr or cloth. When a CS or EIS product has color it will not stain as the color that one sees is due to the particles adsorbing part of the white light spectrum. This material check out at 1700+ ppm using my spectrophotometer. My personal opinion would be to avoid anything that is a compound. Ole Bob Frank Key wrote: Innovative Natural Products 500 ppm colloidal silver was submitted for analysis by a list member. The bottle identifies the product as being colloidal silver with no mention that it is silver protein. When the bottle is shaken it foams and the foam persists for several minutes indicating that something other than silver and water is present. This is typical of silver protein products. Laboratory analysis indicates the product is a generic silver protein. The total silver concentration was measured to be 603 ppm. The silver particles are suspended in an aqueous animal protein solution (gelatin). For more details including the particle size distribution plot and the FT-IR spectra plot see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr13/ frank key - Colloidal Science Lab. Inc. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Innovative Natural Products Analysis
Thanks for providing the analysis, Frank. Refreshing to see some real figures for a change. Wonder where the FDA/FTC is, considering the enormous difference in claimed vs. measured particle size? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUrinary Tract Infection Superbugs
Antibiotic-resistant 'superbugs' are spreading into the community, experts have warned. Doctors are now seeing urinary tract infections which cannot be treated with the standard medications because they are caused by drug-resistant strains of the E-coli bacteria, a major cause of UTIs...advice to GPs is that they send in urine samples to laboratories so experts can check to see if the drug-resistant bacteria are present... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3140849.stm jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLupus
Hi Marshall there was a guy on the rife list who cured himself of lupus using a rife machine..It took 7 months here's what he had to say... hello I had lupus yes had I went on treatments for 7 months and it is gone I used an EMT rife machine its fairly inexpensive .It works I will give you some freqencies that I have used 328.772 (lupus)You also have to boost the immune system since this is an auto immune disease. I work on all my symptems to what symptems dos she have? Let me know if you need any more info . God bless Marshall Dudley wrote: Lupus is considered an autoimmune disease. Although CS may be effective in preventing it by killing pathogens that may trigger the body to generate antibiotics that attack the body, there is some doubt that it would cure it once it occurs, although it may help prevent it's advance. I have wondered if CMO would help lupus, but have never heard of anyone trying it. Marshall mamapug wrote: Hi, Guys, Anyone know anything about Lupus?? I`m wondering if that is what I have... (Apparently the heart thing was caused by the medication I took, Bextra.) Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
