CS[List Owner] Dan Nave
Hello folks, A few days ago Dan Nave sent me a private message expressing his concern that John Rigby has been spamming and perhaps trolling the list in various ways. I had not gotten around to replying to his message before his new outburst. I'm sorry he lost patience with me and decided to bring his remarks to the list. I apologize to the rest of you for this imposition. A part of his attitude appears to be a misunderstanding of John Rigby's business affairs, particularly last week's episode of Dan going to the Topica.com home page and seeing -- HORRORS!!! -- a bunch of advertising and solicitation for Topica's internet business, and a requirement to log-in to their site to visit any list archives. Well, such terribly commercial stuff *may* be truly evil -- that's up to you to decide -- but it has nothing to do with the various mailing lists that are *HOSTED* on the topica.com servers, as are two of the lists that John mentioned. It would be just as evil as going to the eskimo.com web site and seeing the main page advertising their many different services, then castigating *me* for *my* commercial conflicts of interest for attempting to recommend people visit the Silver List, or complaining that I'm a shill for Yahoo! Groups because they want you to sign-in to visit the home page of some list I might have hosted there. The remainder of Dan's attitude toward John seems to boil down differences of opinion on just how screwed up the world happens to be at the moment and his apparent wish that John would just shut up about it... (My phrase, not Dan's.) Dan has been a prolific contributor to the list, with some 450 generally helpful postings in slightly over two years of membership. I've had to warn him once or twice before about his impatience with and attempts to correct the behavior of other list members. As for my slowness to respond to his private message, the procedure is to poke me *again*, not burden the list with public complaints. Moreso when they are apparently based on a misunderstanding, at least in part. I do consider member input in my running of the list. I am inclined to let people alone if they're not hurting others, and not penalize them if their personality is, for instance, a bit more flamboyant than I would like. God knows we've had our share of characters over the years! It's disappointing when what amounts to a personality conflict disrupts the list. I expect everyone to take what they want from the discussion and ignore what isn't to their taste, to complain to me if they have a problem which they are unable to ignore, and not be upset if I don't choose to act on their recommendations at present. If I receive enough complaints about a member, I will act. If I notice behavior that is less than ideal, I will act, as I have in the past in John's case, in fact. You won't usually know about it, however, because most of the time it happens behind the scenes, with small corrections and cautions that never rise to the level of discipline, or arouse any public comment. I don't believe that even new people need to be protected from the stuff John has been talking about as long as *others* can share their opinions as well, in a polite and civil manner. Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... ... an anti-establishment political philosophy... ... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System... ...a soul-destroying, victim based philosophy... ... Ranting, raving, hatred, cynicism, vilification, boasting, posturing, jargon, and self aggrandizement... ... this unwholesome current of energy ... I judge this to be unfair, and to grossly exaggerate personal differences of opinion into some kind of evil plot which does not actually exist. I also consider Dan's current attitude and recent behavior to be a discourtesy to me and to our other members. If you value your place in our community as much as your many posts to the list would indicate, Dan, then I think you'll find it in your heart to make amends to those you care about here and to learn to cope with the opinions or personalities you find unattractive in a constructive way. Please reply to me directly, sir, at mdev...@eskimo.com ... as I have *temporarily* blocked both you and John from posting. You may visit the archives to see what is being said on the list. Thank you for your indulgence, everyone. I will deal with John Rigby's equally public, knee-jerk rant in my next message... sigh Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic
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I sent the following private message to John Rigby this morning... Hi John, Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your site... Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above. Thanks, Mike D. John sees fit to violate generally accepted internet etiquette regarding private correspondence by posting this publicly. I will respond to his reply now... Hi Mike, Not a problem for me. If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. Well, you may fault me for it, but I tend to mull things over pretty carefully before whipping out the big hammer, at least so long as all hell isn't breaking loose. It seems that people, except for you and Dan perhaps, have been weighing in on the matter in a responsible way that I find informative and helpful. This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: - 1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. - 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. Though most such complaints come to me privately, as indeed I prefer and expect, I always assume that if *one* person has a gripe, there are probably a dozen more who just won't bother to say anything. So I always ask: Is there a problem here? Is there something that the member making the complaint or the member being complained about can learn from this? Is some correction from me justified, on either or both sides? 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a place for me. No, I *don't* agree with most of what Dan said about you. I know from my own study of your materials that the bulk of his rant is wrong and based on misinterpretation of your motives and behavior. If you read my message to the list about Dan's Open Letter you should see this. That said, if you cannot entertain *any* possibility of a flaw in your own behavior, personality, or presentation that would cause another list member to become impatient or angry with you, sincerely and without a malicious agenda, then there really is *NO* place on the net for you except those which you run for yourself. You know that I have asked you on a number of occasions to treat the main list with more restraint and use the OT list more freely. Do you really think that you have? That Dan or others have *no* cause to disagree? It is to *that* extent that I said Dan is not without some justification for his view. 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may recall.) Obviously you do, and no, I don't recall that particular warning. Of course, I would no more assume Dan Nave is part of some organized conspiracy to silence you, personally, than I would label your hard earned skepticism towards our dominant social institutions as paranoia, as he does so blithely. The simplest explanation is that he sees folks like you and me and a few others on the list as crackpots because we extend our distrust of the powers that be beyond limits he finds credible. And he sees anyone raising such ideas regularly as a threat to the list's mission and our credibility as a learning resource for new people. Is this anything new to you, really? It would seem to me yet more proof, as if we needed it, that most people will never accept the idea of a grand, multi-generational evil conspiracy -- or such tales as a cure for cancer -- unless and until the evidence smacks them right between the eyes -- and most not even then. You know this! So, to keep the list useful and avoid scaring people away, I need the crackpots among us to limit our more far out diatribes to the OT list. That's all I have ever asked. So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating. That's your choice, but I'm not asking you to go. I'd rather you and Dan stop stepping on each others' toes and learn to get along from now on, instead. Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't also run a free personal advisory service. :-) You've had some very good things to say,
CS
(Re-send: I *know* I put a Subject line on this message the first time! grrr) I sent the following private message to John Rigby this morning... Hi John, Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your site... Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above. Thanks, Mike D. John sees fit to violate generally accepted internet etiquette regarding private correspondence by posting this publicly. I will respond to his reply now... Hi Mike, Not a problem for me. If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. Well, you may fault me for it, but I tend to mull things over pretty carefully before whipping out the big hammer, at least so long as all hell isn't breaking loose. It seems that people, except for you and Dan perhaps, have been weighing in on the matter in a responsible way that I find informative and helpful. This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: - 1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. - 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. Though most such complaints come to me privately, as indeed I prefer and expect, I always assume that if *one* person has a gripe, there are probably a dozen more who just won't bother to say anything. So I always ask: Is there a problem here? Is there something that the member making the complaint or the member being complained about can learn from this? Is some correction from me justified, on either or both sides? 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a place for me. No, I *don't* agree with most of what Dan said about you. I know from my own study of your materials that the bulk of his rant is wrong and based on misinterpretation of your motives and behavior. If you read my message to the list about Dan's Open Letter you should see this. That said, if you cannot entertain *any* possibility of a flaw in your own behavior, personality, or presentation that would cause another list member to become impatient or angry with you, sincerely and without a malicious agenda, then there really is *NO* place on the net for you except those which you run for yourself. You know that I have asked you on a number of occasions to treat the main list with more restraint and use the OT list more freely. Do you really think that you have? That Dan or others have *no* cause to disagree? It is to *that* extent that I said Dan is not without some justification for his view. 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may recall.) Obviously you do, and no, I don't recall that particular warning. Of course, I would no more assume Dan Nave is part of some organized conspiracy to silence you, personally, than I would label your hard earned skepticism towards our dominant social institutions as paranoia, as he does so blithely. The simplest explanation is that he sees folks like you and me and a few others on the list as crackpots because we extend our distrust of the powers that be beyond limits he finds credible. And he sees anyone raising such ideas regularly as a threat to the list's mission and our credibility as a learning resource for new people. Is this anything new to you, really? It would seem to me yet more proof, as if we needed it, that most people will never accept the idea of a grand, multi-generational evil conspiracy -- or such tales as a cure for cancer -- unless and until the evidence smacks them right between the eyes -- and most not even then. You know this! So, to keep the list useful and avoid scaring people away, I need the crackpots among us to limit our more far out diatribes to the OT list. That's all I have ever asked. So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating. That's your choice, but I'm not asking you to go. I'd rather you and Dan stop stepping on each others' toes and learn to get along from now on, instead. Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't also run a free personal advisory
Re: CS
(Re-send: I *know* I put a Subject line on this message the first time! grrr) Well, for whatever reason, it's not going to take. Yet another inexplicable glitch in the system. sigh Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSto marshall-olive leaf,thanks to zonman and comment to Debrorah
Marshall, I prefer two brands-Seagate(you have to order this one. If you want the web site, let me know) and Gaia Brand.this can be purchased at a health food store. I buy mine at whole foods. they are both good. Thanks zonman for the herpes information. I will tell my friend. I only seem to get cold sores or herpes break outs when consuming to much acidic foods or supplements. Sometimes probiotics will also do this. Very puzzeling situation due to the fact that probiotics are actually supposed to help with this condition. But, everyone is different. Last but not least,YEA Debrorah for speaking out. I agree that we need to take this matter seriously. I also appreciated her comments about Doctors. And, I agree with her to. to find a doctor that treats and understands candida is indeed a stroke of luck as I think that candida is a culprit behind many illnesses and if it isnt the cause of many, it certainly complicates other illnesses. To deny a medical doctor the right to treat candida is a disgrace. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Dan Nave
everything i read in the open letter to the list was mean spirited and had nothing to do with helping anyone, anywhere. This act of controlled folly is my gesture to you, the Silver List. why make a gesture to the Silver List...what has the list done to you? in any list there will be a diversity of visions, beliefs and behaviors. yet we come together to try and form a cohesive unit to accomplish something more than living in our own little boxes, making our imaginary wars with each other. you drive thru neighborhoods knowing that most folks don't even know their neighbors...maybe the ones on either side, maybe even across the street...but neighbor-hood? not really. how can we ever expect to make a change on a world scale when we lie in wait to ambush someone or some list... in this sandbox i want my way or no way. love the grandstanding...i will just leave. fine...apply for a job in politics...seems to be the norm there...my way or the highway. i find this so saddening...and even more so by the me too, and me three... i have said it for years, and sigh, years...humans, think like a herd and act like a pack. very big sigh, a rose... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Stains - was Mole removal with Garlic to the area
David writes: As an experiment I rubbed silver oxide on my arm for a month. (Its the stuff that collects when you run the dregs of a batch through a coffee filter). I developed a nice black fake 'bruise'. But it dissappeared within a day or 2 of stopping. Its like getting an ink stain. You cant wash it off, but in a day or two you realise its disappeared. Well, this is cool information, all of you. Now you get to make up your own mind, Debbie! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFW: CSCS in Water
Subject: CSCS in Water How long will water keep with CS in it I have a bunch of 1 gallon and Pretzel containers (2 1/2 to 3 )gallons. I filled them with distilled water and put a little CS in the water. I am putting them away on shelf for Emergency use. How long will the water last, should I put more CS in at intervals. How much CS per Gallon, will more CS in water keep longer. I make the CS by the Gallons, I have several CS generators and some current reducing Diodes to make a Dozen more if needed. All containers were cleaned good and then rinsed twice with distilled water. Bob
Re: CS***anesthesia induced coma
Will keep him in our prayers! Debbie Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: CSSilver Stains - was Mole removal with Garlic to the area
As an experiment I rubbed silver oxide on my arm for a month. (Its the stuff that collects when you run the dregs of a batch through a coffee filter). I developed a nice black fake 'bruise'. But it dissappeared within a day or 2 of stopping. Its like getting an ink stain. You cant wash it off, but in a day or two you realise its disappeared. David Indelible ink and silver nitrate permanently stains the outer layers of skin. Those layers aren't permananent. It's highly unlikely that you can get silver oxide [the black stuff] deep enough to make a tattoo without using a needle. I'd say there a near zero chance of agyria from that route. Ode At 04:56 PM 3/6/2005 +, you wrote: OH!!! )))((( I didnt realise that.thank you for letting me know..its on her knee though..but i will be careful. M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Hey hey...my aunt who is into Cs says you should use the black stuff that comes off the rods when cleaning them and use that on the warts as its pure silver and it will get rid of the wart,,im doing it with my 4yo at the mo. Debbie, I'd be very careful with that! Especially if it's in a cosmetically important part of the body, such as hands or face... I would expect that concentration of silver to pose a serious risk of tatooing the area with localized agyria. I have no experience in this regard, but the idea definitely worries me, especially concerning a child. Repeated applications of regular CS plus DMSO on gauze pads ought to be effective against warts, without the risk of permanent staining of the skin. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CSA little demineralised water story.
Getting good info from the commercial bottlersof demineralised water is like pulling teeth. I have been buying a brand that consistently measures 0 on a TDS and about 0.4 on a PWT. It's from the 'ironing aids' dept, not the drinking water section. I rang and asked them why they put 'DO NOT DRINK' and 'NOT TO BE USED IN THERAPEUTIC DEVICES' on the label. As I expected, they said it was just a legal thing. They didnt HAVE to have it on the labels but they dont produce the water in a 'food grade' factory so they just wanted to cover their backsides. Obviously they knew people were buying it and drinking it for CS. And they heard someone entered it into a drinking water taste competition and it won 3rd prize. I always thought water that pure must be reverse osmosis, but the salesman said it wasnt RO, it was 'de-ionised and polished'. (Even though its labelled as 'demineralised'). He said they use a second hand purification set-up they bought from the lab of the local university. (Must have been a damn big uni because they now ship it all over Australia.) I'm not convinced an RO unit isnt involved somewhere. I suspect they may run the water through a RO pre-filter before it goes into the 'polisher', but I could certainly be wrong. Maybe some-one on the list knows about these things and can clarify the difference between de-ionised and demineralised if there is such a thing. All I know is it makes perfectly good CS. Its almost too pure. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: sparks off topic sorta
Usually the 'flaps' on the list cause a grin or a grimace and on we go. But this one has caused real sorrow (and lack of sleep for some). Mike, thank you for being such a fine, balanced moderator. That takes a lot of work and self discipline. You can be counted on to consistently be a voice of reason--a very pleasant sound in a warped world. pj __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
Dear Mike, Thank you for the loving, gentlemanly way you share with us seekers and admirers! You have exhibited patience, caring and concern to each of us even as we hopefully forget your Site Boundaries and get out of line. Please continue to forgive us and encourage us to get and stay in line for the benefit of us all! I, like you, have felt crushed and disappointed in the un-love and (I feel unjust) attacks on others. I have enjoyed and appreciated the valuable input of Dan and John and hope that they each (both) will continue to be a part of this Marvelous List remembering that whether or not we agree with their statements, we accept their right to feel as they do. In reading everything, I accept what I conceive as the good and ignore what I conceive as the bad or worthless. I encourage all list members to support you and continue to share and be of help to one another! Sincerely; ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: himag...@fablor.com; na...@comcast.net Subject: CS I sent the following private message to John Rigby this morning... Hi John, Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your site... Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above. Thanks, Mike D. John sees fit to violate generally accepted internet etiquette regarding private correspondence by posting this publicly. I will respond to his reply now... Hi Mike, Not a problem for me. If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. Well, you may fault me for it, but I tend to mull things over pretty carefully before whipping out the big hammer, at least so long as all hell isn't breaking loose. It seems that people, except for you and Dan perhaps, have been weighing in on the matter in a responsible way that I find informative and helpful. This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: - 1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. - 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. Though most such complaints come to me privately, as indeed I prefer and expect, I always assume that if *one* person has a gripe, there are probably a dozen more who just won't bother to say anything. So I always ask: Is there a problem here? Is there something that the member making the complaint or the member being complained about can learn from this? Is some correction from me justified, on either or both sides? 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a place for me. No, I *don't* agree with most of what Dan said about you. I know from my own study of your materials that the bulk of his rant is wrong and based on misinterpretation of your motives and behavior. If you read my message to the list about Dan's Open Letter you should see this. That said, if you cannot entertain *any* possibility of a flaw in your own behavior, personality, or presentation that would cause another list member to become impatient or angry with you, sincerely and without a malicious agenda, then there really is *NO* place on the net for you except those which you run for yourself. You know that I have asked you on a number of occasions to treat the main list with more restraint and use the OT list more freely. Do you really think that you have? That Dan or others have *no* cause to disagree? It is to *that* extent that I said Dan is not without some justification for his view. 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may recall.) Obviously you do, and no, I don't recall that particular warning. Of course, I would no more assume Dan Nave is part of some organized conspiracy to silence you, personally, than I would label your hard earned skepticism towards our dominant social institutions
CSFW: CS
-Original Message- From: Yogiboy [mailto:epa...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:04 PM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: CS Dear Mike, Although, I have not been on this list for long in comparison to many others here, I greatly appreciate and thank those who've shared so much of their time and knowledge to help others. I know it is from their genuine care in contribution, that had made this list what it isTheir passion is equally respected with the responses that are given. The key word here is passion. It is easy when being so passionate about something to lose sight of the deeper meaning involved in the purpose of why everyone is here. Sometimes we have to put personal opinions aside and view things as a whole. When making comments as this, I like to take careful consideration as to not offend anyone. Whatever issues transpire here can always be resolved through diplomacy. If by chance any party is offended,(which I'm sure has happened in EVERYONE's case at one point in life)be dealt with in a manner where things can be smoothed out. Being here has given me a sense of community even though I may not participate much and never met many of you. However, I have learned a tremendous amount and can't be grateful enough for the pool of knowledge this list posseses. Universally, as spiritual beings, we should work toward being harmonious and if by chance we forget. ( We all know that has never happened...come on!! We're perfect) On the same token, also be forgiving and not let these personal attacks interfere with our better judgment. I don't believe anyone here is against anyone else. So lets learn to put the EGO's aside because we all know that when things cool off we start thinking, then we get sentimental and then we feel bad and we beat ourselves up only to finally either come forth with apology or let our ego's continue to rule and bury the problem which only ends up fermenting. In truth, who likes feeling that way? Pride, has been known to destroy and cause regret. Mike, I feel you have always been fair in your delivery and management of this List; even though my tenure here has been only brief. My only wish is that it continues the same... Kindest regards, Ernie Dear Mike, Thank you for the loving, gentlemanly way you share with us seekers and admirers! You have exhibited patience, caring and concern to each of us even as we hopefully forget your Site Boundaries and get out of line. Please continue to forgive us and encourage us to get and stay in line for the benefit of us all! I, like you, have felt crushed and disappointed in the un-love and (I feel unjust) attacks on others. I have enjoyed and appreciated the valuable input of Dan and John and hope that they each (both) will continue to be a part of this Marvelous List remembering that whether or not we agree with their statements, we accept their right to feel as they do. In reading everything, I accept what I conceive as the good and ignore what I conceive as the bad or worthless. I encourage all list members to support you and continue to share and be of help to one another! Sincerely; ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCould CS help avoid a root canal? - - and MND
I wonder if there are training sessions in the US? Donna
Re: CS***anesthesia induced coma
Hi Debbie, Foot holding, foot rubbing, sole scratching, toe rubbing and toe tweaking are all very helpful for re-establishing nerve pathways quickly. If you are allowed to touch him that is. Make sure he goes to the toilet. The staff tend to forget about the crapping function. and the build up does no good to the healing function at all. He might need a shot or something to get him to move. The anesthetics made the digestion go clunk so Joe might need some training and help to go. Tony On 7 Mar 2005 at 14:53, Debbie Mcdonald wrote: my dear friend's husband had brain surgery and has not come out of it. The hospital tells her he has not come out of the anesthesia- is in a light coma??? Anyone able to help her. Thanks so much, Deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSshelf life
how long can one keep CS for???is it okay after 3 years? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: CSshelf life
It really depends on the stability. I have seen some EIS settle out at least somewhat after a couple of months, and have seen other stay fully in colloidal and dissolved form for years. I believe that generally the more clear and less color it has, the less likely it is to precipitate out. But other things like impurities in the water and for some EIS exposure to light can also have an effect. You can evaluate it pretty easily though. See if there is any black or dark gray settlement on the bottom, and use a laser to check that the tyndall is still there. Marshall debbie cozens wrote: how long can one keep CS for???is it okay after 3 years? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScoma to Debbie
I dont know about a problem that deep with surgery but I have read that when a person has had surgery and have subsequent problmes with anasthesia, it is advised to take large doses of vitmain C which is known to help the body clear it out. I am sure that a hospital would not agree to this but you could suggest it. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSR.I.P. Himagain
Don't leave please. You have made some good points here. You maybe invite personal attacks , because people like to test people who challenge their comfortable views, to see how you respond, before they can break out . It means they want to change their own views. Stick around. The line 'he's not without some justification for his view' is provoking, I see. Probably a tame effort to be fair to both (moderate), not seriously provocative, agreeing with them. Moderate in these things is impossible, it's not a 'MIddle Way' , because someone (you) stand to be injured. That's life..Take these things seriously sure, I would, but stay quiet. Participate whenever you wish.. No one knows you. They can't be right. Just their own noise, really. This is written in better words in the iChing. (somewhere) On 7 Mar 2005, at 22:10, Himagain wrote: Hi Mike, Not a problem for me. If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: - 1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. - 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a place for me. 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may recall.) So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating. Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't also run a free personal advisory service. :-) In answer for your own erudition and list information: I run on behalf of Fablor (an international serious business group), a number of volatile lists - most of which are between $52 per year and $1000 p.a. as a business subscription. Fablor also sponsors many public service efforts, like MATRIXIDE. Only a deranged person, or perhaps a shill for the disinformers (ever seen www.quackwatch.com ? ) could claim that it is a money-making scheme. Everything on Matrixide is free, including the Newslist - including the triage section - and the information there is simply repository - all gathered from impeccable sources on the Internet and specific to a single question. Why are they doing it to us? Membership in many lists such as Silver, are simply my personal return contribution to the many good people who sincerely endeavour to do their bit toward the public information sector, offsetting the massive disinformation industry that exists in every area, but most savagely, that of health. Everything I post is done only after clearing with my Editorial people especially as to what I can give away free *and* not get into legal hot water. And yes, I do constantly remind people that the source of the writer's money is the safest and most accurate check on their veracity. It is. The only thing one might add is their politics ( usually obvious). I do not allow any person to judge me. Either in absentia or in camera. If you cannot stand the bright light of the public forum, then I have no interest in your claim or contention. I wish you well and trust that you have learned something useful from this sad and unseemly event. Cordially, Himagain To find your enemy, look to the dark places. Conspiracy demands shadows Li Pi Tze (again) --- --- At 01:16 AM 08/03/05, you wrote: Hi John, Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your site... Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above. Thanks, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer:
Re: CSRe:RE: CSvirus and shingles
I have used Larrea altho' it was spelled differently. It was the only thing that worked for my PHN. However I developed a rash from it and had to discontinue using it. Quite expensive. About $35 for 4 ounces. Waddle In a message dated 3/5/2005 6:16:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, wa...@mailstation.com writes: Subj: CSRe:RE: CSvirus and shingles Date: 3/5/2005 6:16:00 PM Pacific Standard Time From: wa...@mailstation.com Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent from the Internet Not Betsy, but you can go to naturesway.com for questions Bill -- Hi Betsy, Could you elaborate more on Olive Leaf.? You said a friend swears by it. Could you please explain why? Thanks Ernie -Original Message- From: Betsy Coffey [mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSvirus and shingles I hestitate to recommend a product that I have not tried but wanted to share about a product that is advertised for viruses. It is called LarreaRx. It is put out by biogenesis. Anyone interested could do a search on it and come up with their own conclusions. I thought it looked pretty good and appears safe. A friend of mine gets herpes cold sores and swears by olive leaf. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com inline: Eagle.jpg
Re: CSR.I.P. Himagain
the beginning of my understanding of one major aspect of how people react and perceive was understanding how ronald reagan was labelled the teflon president. reagan rolled merrily on his way telling jokes and staying on message. he did not engage his detractors. in general: people will take their cues about you by how you act. i find that people acting from a fear place will act and re-act fearfully and angrily to both legitimate threats and illegitimate ones. words are rarily a real threat. certainly nothing on this list in a dispute those operating from fearful ego's will become engaged as their fears are engaged. i seperate communication into two parts: 1) the actual information 2)possible bias or ill-will on the part of the other both of these information sets are informative and neutral. if someone says things that are charged and irrational all one has to do is refute the specifics. if one acts charged and irrational than... in society we need to take some injury to stay in society. we build our relations by being helpful and not disruptive. in general this is the proper path. also remember, things come out in the wash. if one is fearful and angry you will find others who are fearful and angry. if one is helpful and aware, one will meet more and more others like this. i find almost all people who have done me wrong eventually show up as these type of people and have relations along these lines. meanwhile, what i am doing seems to create more and more relations relating to my thoughts and behavior. is that good or bad? depends on what one is doing. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Dan Nave
Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about health issues: be sure that any attacks do not invite or advocate violence. I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He makes this statement several times in the essay. I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has brought about the controversy. On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... ... an anti-establishment political philosophy... ... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[List Owner] Dan Nave
I should point out that NO Dr. will administer a vaccine at gun pointso..it is NOT his fault. If a law passes that requires everyone to have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID card) then the person will be forced to get the vaccine. Again the Dr. is only following the law. If we wish to stop this insanity...then we need to address these issues with those we elect Due Process I'm told it is. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Dan Nave Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about health issues: be sure that any attacks do not invite or advocate violence. I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He makes this statement several times in the essay. I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has brought about the controversy. On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... ... an anti-establishment political philosophy... ... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Dan Nave
At 11:24 AM 3/9/2005 +0900, you wrote: Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about health issues: be sure that any attacks do not invite or advocate violence. hum, then you might want to make this suggestion to our government. I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted on the the Matrixcide web site. well, pasture did a lot of harm to a lot of folks...so maybe some folks get a bit steamed. The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He makes this statement several times in the essay. i have not read the essay, but there are folks that take strong issue with forced vaccination feeling that the vaccination will harm them and their children with lifelong illness if not death. I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself. so, that would be personal choice, right? Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others. ah, the necessary measures...and i just wonder who will start the epidemic/pandemic? This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. again, hum, and who will manufacture the emergency. The point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. homeland insecurity is recruiting ordinary folks to do just that, keep an eye on your neighbors. let's all join. In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. again, might want to offer that suggestion to our government. as it is the US now has unwanted attention and we are all at risk by being associated with them. I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has brought about the controversy. i think mike is full aware of most all that goes on. hum, what should he do, slap someone on the wrist? but if i don't stop i might get slapped on the wrist...sorry mike. i am zipping it up. sometimes you just can't refuse tho, ya know? a rose... On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... ... an anti-establishment political philosophy... ... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
