Re: CSecoli water treatment sorta emergency
A few hundred parts per billion 'in the water' will do it. The time it takes is the major difference. A tablespoon of 10 PPM silver in a gallon and overnight should be plenty safe. Overkill never hurts. Ode At 09:46 AM 8/3/2005 -0500, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline Perhaps someone with more time and a better facility with numbers that I have could convert the ppm of silver for purifying water from the last post (THE SILVER INSTITUTE LETTER) and state it in practical units. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005
Re: CSecoli water treatment sorta emergency
Look at http://www.floatron.com/ It's been around since the 80s with a price 'decrease'. The electrode is probably mostly copper?? Ode A few hundred parts per billion 'in the water' will do it. The time it takes is the major difference. A tablespoon of 10 PPM silver in a gallon and overnight should be plenty safe. Overkill never hurts. Ode At 09:46 AM 8/3/2005 -0500, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline Perhaps someone with more time and a better facility with numbers that I have could convert the ppm of silver for purifying water from the last post (THE SILVER INSTITUTE LETTER) and state it in practical units. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
- Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. === Sigh. This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. Even if it's not true. First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can have an ion generator that does not produce ozone. Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they *are* ionizers). Negative ions are beneficial. So is ozone. I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and won't tell you the truth. I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information on ions in the book, too. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS effectiveness
marmar...@aol.com wrote: I am posting a response from another list I'm on, which rebutted my statements regarding Colloidal Silver (on that list). When some friends of mine found out I was using CS with success on some tough problems, they gently took me aside and cleared up some misconceptions. Because they both worked at MIT, and the wife went on to teach at Princeton (electron microscopy in determining cell response to disease) and the husband is now head of a company developing carbon nanosphere technology as a step beyond MRI imaging, I take their understanding as sound! As most of us on this list have discovered, impressive-sounding credentials dont guarantee accuracy or credibility. CS, despite being called nature's antibiotic, has no effect on fungal, baterial or viral pathogens. I have a copy of Brigham Young Universities studies that show differently. Marshall responded: Where did they get that idea. Did they run tests, and if so what was the protocol? I personally had tests run at University of Tennessee and determined that it has a lot of effect. Others have run tests and many of them are posted on the net, and none of them ever showed no effect. The mechanism by which CS works is this: Silver (and also gold, which you can also buy as a colloid) are inert metals as far as the body is concerned - no reaction. When a virus, for instance, enters a cell, the mitochondria of the cell are attracted to it and attach to the virus. The virus borrows the DNA from the mitochondria - it's necessary for the virus to do so in order to reproduce. When silver is present in the cells in the particle size that mimics a virus (and this is why particle size is very important) the mitochondria attach to the silver and become busy - they can't attach to the virus. Hence, virus can't reproduce and so die. Less virus present, less inflammatory response from the body. There's no inherent immunity with silver itself, and it doesn't kill virus, bacteria, or fungus, but it maintains the integrity of the cell by keeping it busy or plugged. Marshall responds: Where did this information come from? Never heard it before. Is there any experimental evidence to back it up? If it doesn't kill bacteria, then why does every test I know of that has ever been run on it with bacteria show a high or 100% kill rate? Silver doesn't have any effect on a pathogen, so it can't suffocate or kill it. But the above explanation does lend itself to the idea of building an immunity, although I doubt a scientist would agree with that interpretation. The number of credible studies that disprove this claim are numerous. American BioTechs studies demonstrated silver to be fatal to malaria, tuberculosis, Bubonic plague, Staphylococcus aureus, Candida albicans yeast, the Trichomonas vaginalis bacteria and anthrax. See: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2003/04/c7099.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2002/16/c1055.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2003/24/c3100.html http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section1.htm The recommended 8-10 ppm is in line with what they know about this action - you don't want too much or too little. You do need the volume that dilution to 8-10ppm creates in order to disperse it through the body - because a percentage of it is going to be lost in the digestive tract or otherwise eliminated. If making your own, there are some issues - if you don't have rather sophisticated equipment you can't be sure of the particle size or concentration. The success of folks with MS and cancer by drinking copious quantities (16-24 oz/day) negates the idea that one must be careful to take just the right amount. Roger Altmans study demonstrated the non-accumulation of properly made CS, thereby establishing that the body simply disposes of unused CS. Their feeling is that what you are making is actually silver salts, not colloidal silver. Marshall responded: That is impossible. A salt requires an anion, and there is none present in distilled water. These guys need to study chemistry. When supposedly knowledgeable people make statements that are poor science or pseudo-science, it becomes hard to take them seriously. I said - and yet it works for the people who make it and they said that sufficient amounts in an adequate particle size (through volume) could still be getting where they need to go. This supports Altmans findings that there is no dangerous amount. For someone to make claims about CS without being able to substantiate those claims with hard, legitimate research is as illegitimate as those folks who claim CS cures everything __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at:
CSSilver in Visine
Notice this: Instead of adding preservatives to the formula, Visine Pure Tears uses an innovative dispenser with an antibacterial silver coil in the tip to help prevent contamination. http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/counter/eye/mn_visine_pure.jsp __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver as a biocide
Here's a whole page of reports showing silver's pathogen-killing capacity: http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/4d03.html These are reports about silver as an antibiotic replacement: http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=antibioticsp-a=sp1000baf7 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Nenah: I'll second that... A Big second. Ozone, however, must be used with understanding, especially if being used as an air purifier. I say this not because ozone, in itself, is dangerous. There is no evidence to suggest this. The problem is that ozone is such a powerful oxidizing agent that it can begin to break down substances in the environment. When ozone reacts with a substance, it will eventually break it down into an inert substance. However, with some substances, such as plastics, this process can take quite some time. Between the time that ozone begins to break down some chemicals, and the time they are effectively nuetralized, they can outgas. As our world becomes more polluted, ozone has the potential of literally being one of the key core substances that may save many, many lives. I've been researching ozone and ozone therapy now for over eight months, and it is endlessly fascinating! Kind Regards, Jason Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. === Sigh. This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. Even if it's not true. First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can have an ion generator that does not produce ozone. Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they *are* ionizers). Negative ions are beneficial. So is ozone. I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and won't tell you the truth. I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information on ions in the book, too. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again
Some will probably disagree with me but, being sensitive to DMSO, my experience with using it with CS for nebulizing resulted only in coughing fits... I would start out only with CS and be careful about how I introduced the DMSO. Just my opinion... Dan CSasthma and CS, again From: Ken Nancy Bagwell (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:21:03 Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSecoli water treatment sorta emergency
I'll bet you could use a regular jewelry grade silver (Stirling?) and the amount of copper in it would give a quantity of Colloidal Copper to complement the Colloidal Silver... Any idea of the voltage or current involved in this device? It looks like quite a vigorous reaction in the picture. Although, I suppose a low voltage would work quite well since there are a lot of ions in the swimming pool water. Do you think one would need current limiting in a device like this? Dan Re: CSecoli water treatment sorta emergency From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 05:36:21 Look at http://www.floatron.com/ It's been around since the 80s with a price 'decrease'. The electrode is probably mostly copper?? Ode A few hundred parts per billion 'in the water' will do it. The time it takes is the major difference. A tablespoon of 10 PPM silver in a gallon and overnight should be plenty safe. Overkill never hurts. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA LETTER
I was checking on the Seven Day Miracle Cleanse during a browse and found this letter I thought someone here might find this interesting. It concerns Colonic Boards. I guess the FDA just does not have enough to do. here is the site... you will have to cut and paste. http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g4976d.htm connie
CS
http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/health/ozone13.htm 13 Major Effects of Ozone On The Human Body as reported by Dr. Frank Shallenberger Considered one of the leading authorities on medical ozone, Dr. Shallenberger has done important work to support the hypothesis that ozone can have long-term positive effects on AIDS. He has also conducted workshops on the proper application of medical ozone at an International Ozone Symposium in Texas. He successfully treats patients with medical ozone via Major Autohemotherapy. The thirteen physiological effects are list below and are accompanied by a brief explanation. 1. Ozone stimulates the production of white blood cells. These cells protect the body from viruses, bacteria, fungi and cancer. Deprived of oxygen, these cells malfunction. They fail to eliminate invaders and even turn against normal, healthy cells (allergic reactions). Ozone significantly raises the oxygen levels in the blood for long periods after ozone administration; as a result, allergies have a tendency to become desensitized. 2. Interferon levels are significantly increased. Interferons are globular proteins. Interferons orchestrate every aspect of the immune system. Some interferons are produced by cells infected by viruses. These interferons warn adjacent, healthy cells of the likelihood of infection; in turn, they are rendered nonpermissive host cells. In other words, they inhibit viral replication. Other interferons are produced in the muscles, connective tissue and by white blood cells. Levels of gamma interferon can be elevated 400-900% by ozone. This interferon is involved in the control of phagocytic cells that engulf and kill pathogens and abnormal cells. Interferons are FDA approved for the treatment of Chronic Hepatitis B and C, Genital Warts (caused by Papillomavirus, Hairy-cell Leukemia, Karposi's Sarcoma, Relapsing-Remitting Multiple Sclerosis and Chronic Granulomatous Disease. Interferons are currently in clinical trials for Throat Warts (caused by Papillomavirus), HIV infection, Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia Leukemia, Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, Colon tumors, Kidney tumors, Bladder Cancer, Malignant Melanoma, Basal Cell Carcinoma and Leishmaniasis. While levels induced by ozone remain safe, interferon levels that are FDA appoved (and in clinical trials) are extremely toxic. 3. Ozone stimulates the production of Tumor Necrosis Factor. TNF is produced by the body when a tumor is growing. The greater the mass of the tumor the more tumor necrosis factor is produced (up to a point). When a tumor has turned metastatic, cancer cells are breaking off and being carried away by the blood and lymph. This allows the tumor to take up residence elsewhere in the body; or in other words, divide its forces. These lone cancer cells have little chance of growing due to the TNF produced to inhibit the original tumor. When the tumor is removed surgically TNF levels drop dramatically and new tumors emerge from seemingly healthy tissue. 4. Ozone stimulates the secretion of IL-2. Interluekin-2 is one of the cornerstones of the immune system. It is secreted by T-helpers. In a process known as autostimulation, the IL-2 then binds to a receptor on the T-helper and causes it to produce more IL-2. Its main duty is to induce lymphocytes to differentiate and proliferate, yielding more T-helpers, T-suppressors, cytotoxic T's, T-delayed's and T-memory cells. 5. Ozone kills most bacteria at low concentrations. The metabolism of most bacteria is on average one-seventeenth as efficient as our own. Because of this, most cannot afford to produce disposable anti-oxidant enzymes such as catalase. Very few types of bacteria can live in an environment composed of more than two percent ozone. 6. Ozone is effective against all types of fungi. This includes systemic Candida albicans, athletes foot, molds, mildews, yeasts and even mushrooms. 7. Ozone fights viruses in a variety of ways. As discussed above, ozone also goes after the viral particles directly. The part of the virus most sensitive to oxidation is the reproductive structure. This is how the virions enter the cell. With this structure inactivated, the virus is essentially dead. Cells already infected have a natural weakness to ozone. Due to the metabolic burden of the infection the cells can no longer produce the enzymes necessary to deal with the ozone and repair the cell. 8. Ozone is antineoplastic. This means that ozone inhibits the growth of new tissue because rapidly dividing cells shift their priorities away from producing the enzymes needed to protect themselves from the ozone. Cancer cells are rapidly dividing cells and are inhibited by ozone. 9. Ozone oxidizes arterial plaque. It breaks down the plaque involved in both Arteriosclerosis and Arthrosclerosis. This means ozone has a tendency to clear blockages of large and even smaller vessels.
CS
http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/health/ozone13.htm 13 Major Effects of Ozone On The Human Body as reported by Dr. Frank Shallenberger Considered one of the leading authorities on medical ozone, Dr. Shallenberger has done important work to support the hypothesis that ozone can have long-term positive effects on AIDS. He has also conducted workshops on the proper application of medical ozone at an International Ozone Symposium in Texas. He successfully treats patients with medical ozone via Major Autohemotherapy. The thirteen physiological effects are list below and are accompanied by a brief explanation. 1. Ozone stimulates the production of white blood cells. These cells protect the body from viruses, bacteria, fungi and cancer. Deprived of oxygen, these cells malfunction. They fail to eliminate invaders and even turn against normal, healthy cells (allergic reactions). Ozone significantly raises the oxygen levels in the blood for long periods after ozone administration; as a result, allergies have a tendency to become desensitized. 2. Interferon levels are significantly increased. Interferons are globular proteins. Interferons orchestrate every aspect of the immune system. Some interferons are produced by cells infected by viruses. These interferons warn adjacent, healthy cells of the likelihood of infection; in turn, they are rendered nonpermissive host cells. In other words, they inhibit viral replication. Other interferons are produced in the muscles, connective tissue and by white blood cells. Levels of gamma interferon can be elevated 400-900% by ozone. This interferon is involved in the control of phagocytic cells that engulf and kill pathogens and abnormal cells. Interferons are FDA approved for the treatment of Chronic Hepatitis B and C, Genital Warts (caused by Papillomavirus, Hairy-cell Leukemia, Karposi's Sarcoma, Relapsing-Remitting Multiple Sclerosis and Chronic Granulomatous Disease. Interferons are currently in clinical trials for Throat Warts (caused by Papillomavirus), HIV infection, Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia Leukemia, Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, Colon tumors, Kidney tumors, Bladder Cancer, Malignant Melanoma, Basal Cell Carcinoma and Leishmaniasis. While levels induced by ozone remain safe, interferon levels that are FDA appoved (and in clinical trials) are extremely toxic. 3. Ozone stimulates the production of Tumor Necrosis Factor. TNF is produced by the body when a tumor is growing. The greater the mass of the tumor the more tumor necrosis factor is produced (up to a point). When a tumor has turned metastatic, cancer cells are breaking off and being carried away by the blood and lymph. This allows the tumor to take up residence elsewhere in the body; or in other words, divide its forces. These lone cancer cells have little chance of growing due to the TNF produced to inhibit the original tumor. When the tumor is removed surgically TNF levels drop dramatically and new tumors emerge from seemingly healthy tissue. 4. Ozone stimulates the secretion of IL-2. Interluekin-2 is one of the cornerstones of the immune system. It is secreted by T-helpers. In a process known as autostimulation, the IL-2 then binds to a receptor on the T-helper and causes it to produce more IL-2. Its main duty is to induce lymphocytes to differentiate and proliferate, yielding more T-helpers, T-suppressors, cytotoxic T's, T-delayed's and T-memory cells. 5. Ozone kills most bacteria at low concentrations. The metabolism of most bacteria is on average one-seventeenth as efficient as our own. Because of this, most cannot afford to produce disposable anti-oxidant enzymes such as catalase. Very few types of bacteria can live in an environment composed of more than two percent ozone. 6. Ozone is effective against all types of fungi. This includes systemic Candida albicans, athletes foot, molds, mildews, yeasts and even mushrooms. 7. Ozone fights viruses in a variety of ways. As discussed above, ozone also goes after the viral particles directly. The part of the virus most sensitive to oxidation is the reproductive structure. This is how the virions enter the cell. With this structure inactivated, the virus is essentially dead. Cells already infected have a natural weakness to ozone. Due to the metabolic burden of the infection the cells can no longer produce the enzymes necessary to deal with the ozone and repair the cell. 8. Ozone is antineoplastic. This means that ozone inhibits the growth of new tissue because rapidly dividing cells shift their priorities away from producing the enzymes needed to protect themselves from the ozone. Cancer cells are rapidly dividing cells and are inhibited by ozone. 9. Ozone oxidizes arterial plaque. It breaks down the plaque involved in both Arteriosclerosis and Arthrosclerosis. This means ozone has a tendency to clear blockages of large and even smaller vessels. This
Re: CSSilver in Visine
It's funny, I gave my friends some CS for her pink-eye (all three had it, 2 were cured in short order, for one, it didn't go away for 2 weeks so she went to her eye doctor and he yelled at her for putting a heavy metal in her eyes and now we see a major corporation using silver in Visine. Makes me mad.
Re: CSSilver in Visine
In a message dated 8/5/05 12:03:41 PM Central Daylight Time, scl...@netzero.net writes: he yelled at her for putting a heavy metal in her eyes and now we see a major corporation using silver in Visine. Everything's normal MA
Re: CSSilver in Visine
Where did he get the idea she was putting a heavy metal in her eye? Silver is NOT a heavy metal. Marshall scl...@netzero.net wrote: It's funny, I gave my friends some CS for her pink-eye (all three had it, 2 were cured in short order, for one, it didn't go away for 2 weeks so she went to her eye doctor and he yelled at her for putting a heavy metal in her eyes and now we see a major corporation using silver in Visine. Makes me mad. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver in Visine
So this quack is saying that water with 10 ppm of silver in it is too much silver for the eye, yet 10,000 ppm silver nitrate solution, which they use in baby's eyes is not too much silver. One wonders how they ever graduated from high school with logic like that. Marshall scl...@netzero.net wrote: It's funny, I gave my friends some CS for her pink-eye (all three had it, 2 were cured in short order, for one, it didn't go away for 2 weeks so she went to her eye doctor and he yelled at her for putting a heavy metal in her eyes and now we see a major corporation using silver in Visine. Makes me mad. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver in Visine
I know, sometimes doctors are idiots. The leading cause of death in America according to the CDC is PROPERLY PRESCIBED MEDICATION! CS has no bad side effects and no reports of bad reactions to it according to the FDA! Frustrating! Where did he get the idea she was putting a heavy metal in her eye? Silver is NOT a heavy metal. Marshall
CScs, birds
Thanks So.. That was just what I needed to know! pj Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Nenah, Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out. http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html Do you have an online material like what is found in your book? The air cleaner units I have are seen here: http://www.peakpureair.com/surroundair.htm To be honest, it is hard to tell if they work. I bought three of these. One for the bedroom, and two for the living room. We live in a 700 sq. ft apt. I'm not a rocket scientist, so the whole ozone thing for long term air sanitizing is a mystery to me. One person or study says it's bad, then another says it's good. My main thrust for purchasing these, though, was for the ion generation, not really the ozone. So maybe the salt lamps will be a better choice. Maybe you can comment to me privately on that. Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so that I could spend my time conducting studies on these things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you can only really know for sure when you have money to try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS or not. I'm just not in that category. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
- Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS Hi Nenah, Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out. http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html She wrote: Zeolite is not adequate to adsorb VOCs Nenah, it helps but without the potassium iodide impregnated into the zeolite it will miss alot of formaldehyde, ammonia and other VOCs I don't know if this is true or not. That's why I never commented. And I was getting tired of the debate; it was not my intention to prove that I was right. She also wrote: Aranizers produce Ozone (O3) which will depot in sheet rock. Ozone in small amounts will combine with other toxic VOCs in the air and make a more potent chemical cocktail. Ozone is toxic to humans, plants and animals. In minute amounts it is not so noticeable but when you consider the Total Load of toxins you are dealing with plus the above mentioned facts you are poisoning yourself. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news Nina but this is something I am intimately familiar with as Neuro-pharmacologist and one who has been gravely ill, no pun intended, with MCS and EI. Ozone breaks down into oxygen and the remaining O1, by nature unstable, will scavenge whatever it picks up (a toxin). I don't see how ozone can depot (I think she meant deposit) in sheet rock. All I can say is that based on everything I know, have experienced, and have researched, I disagree about ozone's presumed harm. You have to use your own discernment to find out what's true for you. I subscribe to the Oxyplus list, run by a man whom I regard as one of the most knowledgeable experts in the field of ozone therapy; some of what I have learned is from him. Everything I have done regarding actual ozone use, I would think, is considerably more than what Garnet has done, since she was against using it. How can you say for sure that something is harmful if you've never used or experienced it? Or read data explaining WHY most of the information that's out there is propaganda? She had her beliefs, and felt that she was acting appropriately based on what she believed from her research and education. I had my beliefs, based on research and experience. I consider it a blessing that I didn't have her background; I might have ended up being afraid of ozone too. There has been lots of misinformation about ozone, and I'm not surprised that otherwise knowledge and bright people can be mistaken and misinformed...and then misinform others. Using ozone correctly, and in the proper amounts, has helped me. I've breathed it through olive oil and stopped respiratory wheezing; put it in my ears and considerably lessened a fungal sinus infection (not to mention cleared my brain of toxins and probably fungus too); breathed it in a room where a unit was running (and coughed at first until the crap was oxidized out of my lungs, at which point the ozone in the air no longer bothered me); touched it (gotten rid of gasoline on my hands by placing my hands directly on an Aranizer for 3 minutes); and more. Oh, and I've also placed the lower portion of my small dog in a plastic bag with ozone piped in through a tube. This is to bring ozone to tumors on her belly. Many times after I've done this, the dog's energy has perked up. I don't know if this is relevant or not, but the writer of the above email did spell my name wrong. So she can make mistakes. She also wrote: You must remember that we know NOTHING about the pharmacology of these substances in combination, NOTHING. No one tests this. The governement does not require it nor do they enforce the EPA and other legislation that requires toxicity testing of the millions of chemicals on the market. The mfgs certainly do not test volutarily and in most instances much prefer to pay the fines and court costs involved. It is simply factored into the cost of doing business and the expense is passed on to the unwitting consumer. I'm not sure what she meant by the above. I'm sure that *she* knows nothing about substances in combination; but that doesn't mean that other people don't know anything. Bottom line, to repeat, it's up to each person to do what feels right to him/her. I thought it was a shame that on a health list, people might be swayed by a very powerful and persuasive -- and intelligent! -- writer with a decided bias, a bias based on what I perceived was incomplete knowledge. I wanted to bring in another perspective. I did. I feel no need to defend myself or to defend ozone. If people resonate with what I write, then they'll investigate. Do you have an online material like what is found in your book? You can read the table of contents on my website. There are excerpts from my Rife Handbook; I honestly don't recall at the
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net Ken, you don't *need* to be a rocket scientist. If you want, you can call the Aranizer company and ask them for a reprint of an article that explains how so many conflicting opinions came to be. In my sauna therapy book, I quote that article and bring together what I believe is the best compilation of data that gives people a real good handle on ozone -- the myths surrounding it, how they came to be, and solid scientific data to refute the myths about ozone's presumed harm. Just quickly jumping in to say that I bought my Aranizer after Hurricane Floyd deposited an incredible amount of water in my finished and carpeted basement in 1999. If it weren't for the fungus killing power of that blessed machine, I probably would've had to tear apart that basement to the bare walls. I LOVE my Aranizer and have it running almost 365 days a year in various rooms of the house. I've even it slept with it running about 4 ' above my head. I usually run it in this very small computer room, for 6 yrs now, and I've not had one piece of equipment affected by it. Like Nenah, I also use ozone to keep my ears/sinuses free of fungal infections. Ozone, properly used, is a wonderful healing tool. Sharon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
I believe that one need not be rich or expensively educated to discover important things. If you spend some time studying those things that interest you, you may have a breakthrough. Note that the creator of the periodic table of the elements, for example, was just a high school chemistry teacher. The great Faraday started as a mere bookbinder. You and all the rest of us may be capable of far, far more than we imagine. On Saturday, Aug 6, 2005, at 07:04 Asia/Tokyo, Ken Nancy Bagwell wrote: Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so that I could spend my time conducting studies on these things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you can only really know for sure when you have money to try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS or not. I'm just not in that category. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
From: Connie Howard craehow...@juno.com Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? Connie, It sounds like you have a real challenge. I have to say that I honestly have no idea if the Aranizer would work in your situation, unfortunately. May I suggest that you put Aranizer into google, and see if there is a phone number on their website. They sell several different models for different size areas, for example. My best guess is that it would make a difference, but you don't want to buy this expensive machine based on this layman's guesswork! I wish you success in dealing with your basement Sharon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? thanks connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
