date:20051114

Using my "Rule of Thumb for CS Calculations" we know that you can get 
about a maximum of 17ppm of silver in 1 cup of water at 1ma for 1 hour.


That is, 17ppm max in an hour (under these conditions).  I assume that 
there is sufficient conduction to reach saturation at 1ma immediately.


17ppm divided by 60minutes = .28ppm per minute (approximately)

.28ppm per minute times 3 minutes = .84ppm  (approx)

.28ppm per minute times 5 minutes = 1.4ppm  (approx)

This amount of silver does not seem excessive.  In fact, it is 
surprising that such a small an amount is so effective.


I have been thinking about an "Emergency CS Maker" for use in... 
emergencies, of course.  Such as the Tsunami disaster.  Such as the 
Katrina hurricane disaster.  Such as the Kashmiri earthquake disaster. 
The Katrina and Tsunami "emergency" is pretty much over by now, a CS 
maker would still be useful but it might have been a life saver 
immediately after the crisis.  In Kashmir the disaster is going to keep 
on going and going; many will die over the winter.


I envision something extremely simple and used in a manner such as that 
described by Tony.  The device would be hand held, something to snap a 
9V battery into and two leads, one silver and one copper.  If two 
dissimilar metals are to be used, the silver wire should be permanently 
connected to the positive pole of the battery (not removable).


If no current limiting is used the device could be used by immersing the 
electrodes in a cup or glass of water and stirring for about a minute. 
Perhaps some testing would show what is a practical time for a range of 
water types.  Remember, this would be emergency use.


(If current limiting is desired, perhaps resistor limiting would be 
practical.  Again, some real world testing may show a practical range of 
use...)


I have found a 9V battery connector at Digikey P/N 968K-ND listed at 
$.445 per connector.  Look it up on .  picture at:


http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Keystone%20Electronics/Web%20Photos/968.jpg

This connector has a post coming out the back of each connection.  The 
wires could be soldered on using a non-lead plumbing solder and the 
joint covered with a length of shrink tubing, the kind that has 
waterproofing goop on the inside.  For cheapest cost, use 14 gage wires.


The problem would really be getting them to people and then getting them 
to understand how to use them...


Dan


Subject: Re: CS>Distilled water...
From: "Tony Moody" 
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:37:00 +0200
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Dear Silver Listers
I would like to know exactly what sort of danger anyone could possibly 
get into by making CS with ordinary water and using that?


I have been making CS with 9vdc from a battery and with current control 
to 1mA for many years . I use whatever the drinking water is out of the 
tap. 3 to 5 minutes per 8oz glassful. It works. Cures upset tummies in 
minutes. Stops a cold in its tracks if taken soon enough. Stops BO for 
many hours. Soothes insect bites and thorn scratches. Disinfects wounds. 
Great for flushing mould and dirt from sinuses etc etc.


I really would like to know the specific dangers that might be 
practically applicable.


Tony Moody
South Africa.


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Re: CS>CS for varicose veins

2005-11-14 Thread Acmeair


Ken & Nancy Bagwell wrote:


If I remember, all they basically said was apply some
CS a few times a day everyday for a few weeks, and it
might help.

I've been looking into serrapeptase, though (an
enzyme), and that looks like it might be more
effective for this purpose, although not "free" like
CS.  A regimen of 6 grams vitamin C and 6 grams lysine
is also supposed to be very good at reducing arterial
plaque, which may also help varicose veins.  I found
out this idea from a website under Dr. Rath.

-Ken

 



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Linus Pauling, two-time Nobel laureate and Ph.D., had a few words when 
it came to cholesterol and heart disease.


As you may remember from Mike Ciell’s paper * “One Pharmacist’s View of 
Coronary Heart Disease,” 
* 
Mike compares Pauling’s “Unified Theory” with the cholesterol-fixated 
“Lipid Theory.” Pauling, in conjunction with Dr. Matthias Rath, 
suggested that plaque (sticky cholesterol) does not form randomly in the 
bloodstream.


Pauling and Rath proposed that nutritional deficiency was the cause for 
stress, tears and cracks in human blood vessels and this deficiency 
makes way for plaque to come to the rescue.


Pauling and Rath identified three deficient nutrients: vitamin C, 
L-lysine, and L-proline. They found that these critical nutrients could 
actually heal blood vessels, improve blood flow, and reduce cholesterol 
plaques (blockages). Not a small feat for a relatively cheap combo of 
these totally awesome nutrients!


And, our *Heart Plus * 
provides /all three/ of these important nutrients in one handy formula. 
No wonder Heart Plus is consistently in our * “Top Ten” list 
*.


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #725

2005-11-14 Thread Peter Rebaudo


   Marshall wrote

How do you do that? I have been using FireFox for about a year now for 
my browser, but still use Netscape for email because my Firefox does not 
have an email capability!  Is it hidden?


For the Email You have to download : Mozilla Thunderbird from the same 
website.



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Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Wayne Fugitt


Evening Linda,

 Likely there are 10,000 treatments, most of them good.  Finding the few 
that you can implement is the hard part.


If you had some genuine Dr. Christopher black salve, it would help, I feel 
sure.


When I had the spider bite, I continued to work most days.  Due to the 
swelling in the leg, I would up with an inflamed ligament.


Not sure of the name of it, but it is the large tendon from the back of the 
heel to the calf muscle.  This got really sore.  I walked on crutches one day.

Still being hard headed, I went to work most days.

A good friend send to me some black salve made by a Dr. Christopher recipe.
I would take this to the job site, remove the shoe and sock, and rub the 
tendon with this salve.  Yes, it would quit hurting and I could continue 
working.


The recipes are hard to find on the web.  I have this recipe someplace on 
my computer.


Other recipes may be as good or better.

Likely the toe will be well before you could get all the ingredients 
together and make the salve.   You could make it for the next broken toe or 
an inflamed ligament.


Wayne


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CS>Concentration of CS Rule of Thumb


If my math is right, here is a rule of thumb that you can
use for approximating the maximum concentration of CS when
you make it...

"The maximum concentration for 1 cup of CS made at 1
milliamp for one hour would be approximately 17ppm."



Reasoning:

Each Coulomb of electricity will deposit .001118 grams of
silver into solution.  A Coulomb is 1 ampersecond.

For example, 1 cup of water is 227 grams.  Run it for 1 hour
at 1 milliamp.

Find the number of seconds:
1 hour = 60 seconds/minute x 60 minutes = 3600 seconds

Find the number of Coulombs:
.001 amps x 3600 seconds = 3.6 ampseconds = 3.6 Coulombs

Find the amount of silver released:
3.6 columns x .001118 grams/coulomb = .00402 grams of silver
released into solution

Find the ratio or water to silver:
227 grams of water / .00402 grams of silver = 56467 / 1

Find the parts per million:
1,000,000 / 56467 = 17ppm

So, the rule of thumb would be:

"The maximum concentration for 1 cup of CS made at 1
milliamp for one hour would be 17ppm."

This assumes that the current is at 1 ma from start to
finish of the hour.  (If it took 1 hour for the current to
go from zero to 1 ma then the concentration would be
approximately half (8.5ppm) for that hour, assuming that the
current increase is reasonably linear at this stage.)

These values are approximate and indicate the *maximum*
concentration you can get.  Your effective CS concentration
will be somewhat less.

Using this value you can quickly get a rough estimate of
your (max) CS concentration by figuring out the number of
cups in your jar, the run time in hours, and the current in
milliamps.

Dan








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CS>CS:.to Ode re log house

2005-11-14 Thread Harold MacDonald

About 35  years ago,my bitter half and I built a Log house/cabin in the Cariboo 
country of B.C. from scratch.To hoist the logs,I rigged what is called a cargo 
boom on a nearby tree ,Using some pulleys ,wire rope[cables] hooked to the 
bumper of the car ,my wife would ease the car forward lowering the boom.I would 
hook a sling around the log,she would back up thereby raising the log.The boom 
was on a swivel and I would swing it around onto the building.She would ease 
forward lowering the boom and the log into position.This took a lot of the 
"urk" out of the work.
I would have used a ramp,but that would have meant removing some trees which I 
didn't want to do.Using a ramp would still have taken a fair amount of  power 
too.
AHHH! the good old days.
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Re: CS>CS for varicose veins

2005-11-14 Thread Ken & Nancy Bagwell

If I remember, all they basically said was apply some
CS a few times a day everyday for a few weeks, and it
might help.

I've been looking into serrapeptase, though (an
enzyme), and that looks like it might be more
effective for this purpose, although not "free" like
CS.  A regimen of 6 grams vitamin C and 6 grams lysine
is also supposed to be very good at reducing arterial
plaque, which may also help varicose veins.  I found
out this idea from a website under Dr. Rath.

-Ken

--- genes...@wanadoo.fr wrote:

> Dear list members:
> 
> A message went through the list recently about CS
> for varicose veins; 
> unfortunately I can't find it.  Does anyone have any
> experience with this? 
> I would love to know the protocol.
> 
> Thank you for your many suggestions and support.
> Blessings to all,
> Carlene
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

Try alternating hot and cold water soaks.  Works better than hot soaks
alone and speeds up healing.  If hot water is causing swelling, you can
use alternating cold and warm soaks or cold and room temp alternations. 
Put ice onto one bucket and hot water in another and alternate foot. 
Just don't get it hot enough to burn the skin though, pay attention. 
You don't need to actually freeze it either ;-)).  Do it several times a
day.

(Experimental)  Fill a container with CS.  Put the whole toe or foot in
it.  Connect a silver electrode to the POSITIVE output of the zapper and
put the electrode in the container of CS (in the water).  Hold the
negative electrode in one hand or put it on the leg somewhere above the
injured part.  Zapp the CS into the toe in this fashion.  

Dan


>>> Linda Ellis  11/13/2005 9:43:46 PM >>>
Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out here,
I'm betting someone has some ideas!
 
I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty sure
is a broken toe.  No point going to the ER with it - they'll give him a
boot and send him home.

I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling down
(he hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to promote
healing).  

I've also had him pulsing with Bil's MP5K, and using footbaths with
Epsom Salts and Apple Cider Vinegar and DMSO.

Does anybody else out there have any ideas?   We'll try it all

Linda


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Re: CS>Off Topic List -- too quiet!

2005-11-14 Thread Lea Ann

I posted a message to the OT list at least 2 hours ago and it hasn't shown 
up in my e-mail folder yet... any ideas?


Blessings,
Lea Ann

- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: CS>Off Topic List -- too quiet!



Volume on the Off Topic List is sporadic. Since it was discussed here
yesterday, only a couple people have posted tentative messages
wondering where everybody is!

So, just post those OT topics to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com and
see who answers!

Remember, folks: Civility is still required on the OT list, even when
discussing controversial topics. Thicken your skin so you won't take
offense when none is meant, be gentle in what you say and how you say
it. Treat others as friends there, as they are here.

Oh, and don't really expect to change too many minds!! 

I'll be listening.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner


Harper writes:

I really want to go into some detailed questions about how to build
sustainable housing but on that list so we don't clog you up. BTW I
don't get any email from that list, though I am subscribed.

possibly reasons.

1. no email going out on that list.

2. I subscribed to a digest and don't know it

3. they are going out on that list and I don't recognize it because they
 are all from the same people!

Harper







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CS>Re: CS< bromelain connie

 
Not stupid!
 
 Use it as you would aspirin for pain and swelling. You can take it  
internally and crush  it and apply it topically like for toothaches  and  oral 
surgery. breast cancer surgery or arthritis pain. It works  very much aspirin 
but 
does not inhibit prostaglandin production.
 
Every woman should take bromelaine to protect against breast cancer. I take  
2 grams a day.
 
One warning I forgot to add about swelling -swelling is dangerous if it is  
uncontrolled and extreme. It can cut off blood supplies to the affected area.  
Everything within reason.
 
Harper
 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 11:45:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
craehow...@juno.com writes:

QUESTION:  Is the bromelaine being digested or applied  locally?  Probably a 
stupid question but better to ask then assume the  answer.
 
connie

Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

2005-11-14 Thread ruth strackbein

Hi, We lived in such a house made from bamboo blind while living in the Western Highlands of Papua, New Guinea in the 1950's. Actually we lived in three different such houses.  Certainly nothing was fumigated!  We did live one year in a frame house.  Do not recall that we had any fewer colds and such while in the frame house, or since then in houses in the U.S.A. Cheers! RuthS
 
 
From Ruth Strackbein


From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:56:58 -0700>I know of a family who built a straw bale house. Never did hear how >they liked it. Lot of info online I think.>I have heard of bamboo blinds from china with termites in them, but >that was 40 years ago at least. Most things might be already >fumigated these days, but whether the crates themselves are also >fumigated?>sol>>Dan Nave wrote:>>>You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using >>to get>>rid of possible pests...Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and 
>>"cob".>>Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you >>want>>to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive.>-->The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal >Silver.>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com>Silver List archive: >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >

Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe? Swelling Linda

2005-11-14 Thread Connie Howard

QUESTION:  Is the bromelaine being digested or applied locally?  Probably
a stupid question but better to ask then assume the answer.

connie

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:40:03 EST siriu...@aol.com writes:
Swelling causes negative pressure on the wound which in turn tells the
body to congregate immune factors to the area. If you take the swelling
down you are telling your body it's own immune factors are not necessary
in that area.

I understand Bromelaine found in pineapple  digests the swelling  as
needed as the wound heals and that it is used by European sports injury
doctors. Pineapple for healing.

Harper




age dated 11/14/2005 9:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lellis4...@sbcglobal.net writes:
As to the swelling, I'm trying to remember the healing effects of
swelling.  I'm sure they are there, just as a fever is actually a healing
effect.  But, I can't remember what the purpose of the swelling is

Linda

CS>Spam etc

Perhaps the problem is that the person is sending the e-mail to more
than just the silver list (as in "reply-all").  If someone else's name
appears first in the "To" field it may confuse the spam program.

Just a thought...

Dan


>>> Marshall Dudley  11/14/2005 9:55:02 AM >>>
Bob, the only person that has control over your spam rejector is you.
No one is doing anything wrong, you simply need to white list this
mail
server and the problem will go away.

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> V, Barbara, Hurd Cornstoves, your emails come through as spam. What
> are you doing that'ss wrong?? "Ole Bob"
>
> V  wrote:
>
>  I Calif raw milk is $8 a gallon in the store and $15 a pound
>  for the raw butter. they have ordering online.
>
>  http://www.organicpastures.com/
>
>  V
>
>
>  > Mary! Where do you live? Raw milk in Florida goes for
>  incredible $12 a
>  > gallon! If I go to the health food store, I pay
>  > $8 but it is Holstein not Jersey. Fresh eggs $3.50 a
>  dozen.
>  > Wow, I envy you your luck
>
>  > Barbara
>
>
>
>
>  > In my quest for healing, I found a supplier of
>  no-antibiotic,
>  > grain/grass-fed beef - 1/4 cow delivered today at under
>  $2/#.
>  > Thru www.freecycle.org, I met a local lady (with similar
>  Christian views)
>  > who brings me fresh, clean cow milk and cream and farm
>  eggs.
>  > Milk $1.50-gallon and eggs $1/doz.
>  > It pays to research and keep looking for the best
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>
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CS>Firefox, was Re: CS>Meats, etc.


Marshall,
 I just downloaded the email program " Mozilla Thunderbird", which 
seems to be the FireFox compatible email. It is extremely similar to 
Netscape Mail, but has enough differences that I guess I'll keep on with 
Netscape.Once I more or less learn to use a program, I have great 
difficulty changing.

sol

Marshall Dudley wrote:

How do you do that? I have been using FireFox for about a year now for 
my browser, but still use Netscape for email because my Firefox does 
not have an email capability!  Is it hidden?


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Re: CS>Ear Infections and amalgam fillings

2005-11-14 Thread Hurd's Cornstoves

This makes sense (written below)
I notice a strange metal taste when I use my zapper.
There is one natural-type dentist in our area and I plan to visit soon and 
see what can be done with my metal fillings.
I still believe the lump in my throat and infected tonsil could be related 
to an old capped molar.
Mary


If you have two differnt types of metal in your mouth this is most likely 
happennig for sure. two diffrent types of metal will form a weak battery and 
then electrolysis will be set up and the one metal will slowly start to 
dissolve. this can speed up or slow down depending on the contents of your 
mouth and saliva.





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CS>Hey Marshall! Caught up yet??

2005-11-14 Thread M. G. Devour

Just thought I'd point out that Marshall is demonstrating why it is a 
*really* good idea to hold off sending your replies until you've caught 
up with all your mail! You may discover that you don't need to send 
some of them at all.

Do that and you'll avoid resurrecting topics that have been moved or 
ended, answering questions that have already been dealt with, and 
otherwise duplicating the efforts of others.

This is *especially* true if there's a problem the list owner should be 
dealing with. It may already have been handled and you'll be stirring 
it up again by replying to a closed thread, objecting to a behavior 
issue, etc...

Remember, I don't pre-screen posts to the list. You send it, it goes 
out to 600-plus people. I moderate the list after the fact, serving 
more as host and gatekeeper -- the one who decides who stays and who 
goes.

Thanks!

Mike D.

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CS>Using the Off Topic List...

2005-11-14 Thread M. G. Devour

Hi gang,

Jill was asking for instructions for moving topics to the OT list...

Right now, with the archives probably down for good, the only way to 
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one. You'll receive it in e-mail and you'll send your posts and replies 
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CS>Off Topic List -- too quiet!

2005-11-14 Thread M. G. Devour

Volume on the Off Topic List is sporadic. Since it was discussed here 
yesterday, only a couple people have posted tentative messages 
wondering where everybody is!

So, just post those OT topics to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com and 
see who answers!

Remember, folks: Civility is still required on the OT list, even when 
discussing controversial topics. Thicken your skin so you won't take 
offense when none is meant, be gentle in what you say and how you say 
it. Treat others as friends there, as they are here.

Oh, and don't really expect to change too many minds!! 

I'll be listening.

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Harper writes:
> I really want to go into some detailed questions about how to build 
> sustainable housing but on that list so we don't clog you up. BTW I 
> don't get any email from that list, though I am subscribed.
> 
> possibly reasons.
> 
> 1. no email going out on that list.
> 
> 2. I subscribed to a digest and don't know it 
> 
> 3. they are going out on that list and I don't recognize it because they
>  are all from the same people!
> 
> Harper
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

How To Build Your Own Log Home For Less Than $15,000 Author Robert L.
Williams and his family built a 4,300 square foot house with no previous
carpentry experience. He shares his building strategies and techniques,
in 36 detailed chapters; you'll learn the essentials of chainsawing and
squaring logs, building foundations, constructing walls and rooftops,
installing floors, windows and doors, wiring and plumbing, and much
more. Williams' engaging, easy-to-follow text is accompanied by numerous
photographs and illustrations to guide you every step of the way. 216
pages, paperback. #4003...$20.00 

(Doesn't say anything about hoisting though...)



>>> Ode Coyote  11/14/2005 6:06:02 AM >>>


 Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I
estimated
that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build this
small house for $3,000.

 I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself.

ode

At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to
get
>rid of possible pests...
>
>Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob".
>Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you
want
>to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive.
>
>Check out:
>
>http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html 
>
>http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm 
>
>http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5 
>
>How about this?  (from the first link above)
>
>Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED
and
>reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from nosy
>neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment can
>enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable piece
of
>land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in
which
>to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how to
>select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a septic
>system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and
>refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed,
soft
>cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
>From: siriu...@aol.com 
>Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>
>Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US?
>
>My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year and
>rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea
of
>building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates.
>
>We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone water
>rather than chlorine.
>
>The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of
wisdom
>for solar panels vs.  wind generators, water purifiers, well water
and
>cisterns etc?
>
>We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground
facility
>or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to
flooding
>and government use restrictions.  We may end up inheriting one.  In
this
>case we will build a shipping crate house on top.  Any input on house
>buildin is appreciated.
>
>Harper
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Re: CS>Re: Charcot foot broken bones and Zappers

2005-11-14 Thread Teri Johnston


Harper,

Subscribe to the microelectricity list at this link 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ it 
will give you lots of info about infections and the Godzilla unit and others.


Teri

At 12:47 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote:

My husband has Charcot foot (brittle bones) . His foot broke in 40 
places. The Rife box at the hospital worked well but it disappeared 
with my big mouth. I need to buy another it for nothing else them to 
try it for diabetes. So many miracle toys so little money!


Any ideas about Godzilla and Zappers for bone infection and Charcot 
foot? What about using it for severed sciatic nerve?


Harper

In a message dated 11/14/2005 9:41:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
t...@welshspringers.com writes:

Hi Linda,

I'm not sure how different a zapper is from the Godzilla.  I just 
placed the electrodes one on each side of the broken bone, at the 
break site. Did 20 minute sessions twice a day for 4 weeks.  This 
was a non union of the radius that had not healed for 8 months.


Teri




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CS>Re: Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread laquerencia


Hi Linda,

You may know this already but *ideally* your hubby should have gotten off his 
feet immediately, elevated the injury above the level of his heart, iced it 
plus apply the cs/dmso.  And of couse stay off it as much as possible.

When I broke a bone in my foot a few years back, dmso was unknown to me 
unfortunately but doing all the rest plus using crutches for 3 weeks helped me 
avoid any other treatment.  However I think there'll probably be some arthritic 
tendency in that foot as I age because I started walking on it a little too 
soon. 

More recently I twisted an ankle quite severely but managed to get a dmso/cs 
soaked bandage onto it immediately and elevated it til bedtime.  Next day I did 
yard work all day, climbing ladders etc. with no problems--still astonished at 
that one.  Some brusing did finally appear--from deep inside the connective 
tissue I believe (it took that about 3 months to disappear and may have 
resulted from being on my feet so much right away) and there was some 
tenderness around the ankle upon palpation for several weeks but never any pain 
while on my feet.

My nurse practitioner mother was amazed, now uses it herself and suggests it to 
others.

take care,
Deborah



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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Linda Ellis

Well, we know about elevating it, but he did this just as he was getting out of 
the shower and we were on our way to a party!  So, it was about six hours, but 
he did spend all day Sunday babying the foot.
 
He already has evidence of arthritis, and I've been after him to try some 
things to see if we can head that off at the pass, but he hasn't been 
motivated, so I'm sneaking that stuff in on him now, as part of the treatment 
for the broken toe.
 
Linda

laqueren...@cox-internet.com wrote:

Hi Linda,

You may know this already but *ideally* your hubby should have gotten off his 
feet immediately, elevated the injury above the level of his heart, iced it 
plus apply the cs/dmso. And of couse stay off it as much as possible.

When I broke a bone in my foot a few years back, dmso was unknown to me 
unfortunately but doing all the rest plus using crutches for 3 weeks helped me 
avoid any other treatment. However I think there'll probably be some arthritic 
tendency in that foot as I age because I started walking on it a little too 
soon. 

More recently I twisted an ankle quite severely but managed to get a dmso/cs 
soaked bandage onto it immediately and elevated it til bedtime. Next day I did 
yard work all day, climbing ladders etc. with no problems--still astonished at 
that one. Some brusing did finally appear--from deep inside the connective 
tissue I believe (it took that about 3 months to disappear and may have 
resulted from being on my feet so much right away) and there was some 
tenderness around the ankle upon palpation for several weeks but never any pain 
while on my feet.

My nurse practitioner mother was amazed, now uses it herself and suggests it to 
others.

take care,
Deborah



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CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread oldgl...@bigcountry.net

> Hi,
> 
> My guess is to remind you not to use the broken whatever?  :)
> 
> Jean
> 
> ***
> 
>  I can't remember what the purpose of the swelling is
>  
> Linda
> 
> sol  wrote:
>> I'd apply EIS and DMSO. Doesn't really need to be much more than 10%
>> DMSO, but could go higher if tolerated. Several times a day. Could also
>> use a DMSO gel with MSM.
>> 
>> I've always been told you ice such an injury the first 24-48 hours at
>> least. Applying heat too soon increases pain and swelling. (I have
>> personal experience of that!).
>> sol

Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Carol Ann

http://www.ourfootdoctor.com/ask_archive_toes.shtml

  Please use common sense first and foremost.  Sometimes a doctors visit is 
necessary to keep a simple matter from becoming more serious and complicated.   
 If the toe needs to be reset, it needs to be reset to remain functionaly and 
to avoid a future deformity. I have seen fingers that were not property set, 
especially at the joint, heal deformed.
   
  Best regards,  
  
Linda Ellis  wrote:
Well, I don't have a Godzilla - have a Zapper, and strapped that to Tom's 
ankles all night.  Seemed to help a bit.  Also used Bil's MP5K on it.  I'm 
thinking about using the Beck TENS unit, also
   
  Linda

Teri Johnston  wrote:
I would use one of V's Godzilla units on it.  That's how I healed broken my 
arm when is would not heal.

Teri



  **


   Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out here, I'm 
betting someone has some ideas!

  
   I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty sure is a 
broken toe.  No point going to the ER with it - they'll give him a boot and 
send him home.

  
   I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling down (he 
hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to promote healing).  

  
   I've also had him pulsing with Bil's MP5K, and using footbaths with Epsom 
Salts and Apple Cider Vinegar and DMSO.

  
   Does anybody else out there have any ideas?   We'll try it all

Linda 

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Re: CS>Distilled water...

Argryia? You must be making compounds, so what you are making may not be 
optimally effective, but it is still effective enough for your 
purposes.  But if you are only making 8 oz at a time, I'd guess you are 
not drinking quantities of it daily, and are probably not even 
taking/using any of it every single day? What you are making isn't 
something I'd drink a pint of daily.


I have some longstanding issues, most likely viral, that I'm trying to 
clear, and I do take around a pint of EIS daily, plus use it for misting 
eyes and hands, nose drops, eye drops, nebulizing pets, in pet drinking 
water, and so forth, so I need my EIS to be as pure as I can possibly 
get it. For emergency use though, I'd certainly use tap water, if that 
was all I had.

sol

Tony Moody wrote:


Dear Silver Listers
I would like to know exactly what sort of danger anyone could possibly get into by 
making CS with ordinary water and using that? 

I have been making CS with 9vdc from a battery and with current control to 1mA for 
many years . I use whatever the drinking water is out of the tap. 3 to 5 minutes per 
8oz glassful. It works. Cures upset tummies in minutes. Stops a cold in its tracks if 
taken soon enough. Stops BO for many hours. Soothes insect bites and thorn 
scratches. Disinfects wounds. Great for flushing mould and dirt from sinuses etc etc. 
 




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Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe? Swelling Linda

 
Swelling causes negative pressure on the wound which in turn tells the body  
to congregate immune factors to the area. If you take the swelling down you 
are  telling your body it's own immune factors are not necessary in that area.
 
I understand Bromelaine found in pineapple  digests the swelling  as needed 
as the wound heals and that it is used by European sports injury  doctors. 
Pineapple for healing.
 
Harper
 
 
 
 
age dated 11/14/2005 9:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
lellis4...@sbcglobal.net writes:

As to the swelling, I'm trying to remember the healing effects of  swelling.  
I'm sure they are there, just as a fever is actually a healing  effect.  But, 
I can't remember what the purpose of the swelling  is
 
Linda

CS>Re: Charcot foot broken bones and Zappers

 
My husband has Charcot foot (brittle bones) . His foot broke in 40 places.  
The Rife box at the hospital worked well but it disappeared with my big mouth. 
I  need to buy another it for nothing else them to try it for diabetes. So 
many  miracle toys so little money!
 
Any ideas about Godzilla and Zappers for bone infection and Charcot foot?  
What about using it for severed sciatic nerve?
 
Harper 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 9:41:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
t...@welshspringers.com writes:

Hi  Linda,

I'm not sure how different a zapper is from the Godzilla.   I just placed the 
electrodes one on each side of the broken bone, at the break  site. Did 20 
minute sessions twice a day for 4 weeks.  This was a non  union of the radius 
that had not healed for 8  months.

Teri

Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Teri Johnston


Hi Linda,

I'm not sure how different a zapper is from the Godzilla.  I just 
placed the electrodes one on each side of the broken bone, at the 
break site. Did 20 minute sessions twice a day for 4 weeks.  This was 
a non union of the radius that had not healed for 8 months.


Teri

At 11:56 AM 11/14/2005, you wrote:

Well, I don't have a Godzilla - have a Zapper, and strapped that to 
Tom's ankles all night.  Seemed to help a bit.  Also used Bil's MP5K 
on it.  I'm thinking about using the Beck TENS unit, also


Linda

Teri Johnston  wrote:
I would use one of V's Godzilla units on it.  That's how I healed 
broken my arm when is would not heal.



Teri




**

Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out 
here, I'm betting someone has some ideas!
I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty 
sure is a broken toe.  No point going to the ER with it - they'll 
give him a boot and send him home.
I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling 
down (he hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to 
promote healing).
I've also had him pulsing with Bil's MP5K, and using footbaths with 
Epsom Salts and Apple Cider Vinegar and DMSO.

Does anybody else out there have any ideas?   We'll try it all

Linda

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CS>scavenger diet

2005-11-14 Thread Terry Chamberlin

Marshall said,
>Can you clarify this a bit. So animals that eat live
animals are ok, right? What about animals that will
eat dead animals, but are not feed dead animals, like
pigs that are corn fed? Does it have to do with what
they actually eat, or what they are willing to eat if
available, that is their actual diet, or their
metabolism?<

Reams said that pork and other scavenger animals had
specific metabolic/molecular frequencies that were not
compatible with man's. If you don't feed these animals
their natural diet (as is the case with every
commercially-raised animal), they are still what they
are, and would, if allowed, revert back to their
natural scavenger diets.

Reams speculated that their particular frequency might
be related to their ability to safely metabolize a
scavenger diet.

Terry







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Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? fumigating crates

Definitely. Disease is spread by contact with "other". I am immune to my  own 
germs and the germs of my loved ones and neighborhood.
 
Thanx for the reminder. I tend to think of  Chinese shipping crates as  "my 
neighborhood" but I live in LA now and crates often carry more than  parasites 
and cargo. Human traffickers move people in them, often sick people.  Someone 
who sells a crate  is not going to mention the stow away's with TB  they found.
 
Harper

Re: CS>Meats, etc.

How do you do that? I have been using FireFox for about a year now for
my browser, but still use Netscape for email because my Firefox does not
have an email capability!  Is it hidden?

Marshall

Barbara wrote:

> Nothing sinister, "Ole Bob" :)  I'm using Mozilla Firefox for my
> browser, Outlook for the email program and Norton for virus
> protection.  That's it.  I'm innocentreally! Barbara
>
>   V, Barbara, Hurd Cornstoves, your emails come through as
>  spam. What are you doing that'ss wrong?? "Ole Bob"
>
>

Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Linda Ellis

Well, I don't have a Godzilla - have a Zapper, and strapped that to Tom's 
ankles all night.  Seemed to help a bit.  Also used Bil's MP5K on it.  I'm 
thinking about using the Beck TENS unit, also
 
Linda

Teri Johnston  wrote:
I would use one of V's Godzilla units on it.  That's how I healed broken my arm 
when is would not heal.

Teri



**


   Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out here, I'm 
betting someone has some ideas!


   I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty sure is a 
broken toe.  No point going to the ER with it - they'll give him a boot and 
send him home.


   I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling down (he 
hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to promote healing).  


   I've also had him pulsing with Bil's MP5K, and using footbaths with Epsom 
Salts and Apple Cider Vinegar and DMSO.


   Does anybody else out there have any ideas?   We'll try it all

Linda 

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Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Linda Ellis

Thanks!  I can do the CS and DMSO easily here - also the MSM.  As to the ice 
for 24-48 hours, well, he hit his toe about 4:00 in the afternoon, and we were 
going out for the evening.  So, it wasn't until about 11:00 the next day that 
we got started on anything.  So, I opted to go right for heat, to get blood 
circulating to the toes really well.  He is also starting to see signs of 
arthritis in his toes, and I've been after him to use the footbaths with Epsom 
Salts, DMSO and Apple Cider Vinegar for months now.  This broken toe has 
motivated him

As to the swelling, I'm trying to remember the healing effects of swelling.  
I'm sure they are there, just as a fever is actually a healing effect.  But, I 
can't remember what the purpose of the swelling is

Linda

sol  wrote:
I'd apply EIS and DMSO. Doesn't really need to be much more than 10% 
DMSO, but could go higher if tolerated. Several times a day. Could also 
use a DMSO gel with MSM.

I've always been told you ice such an injury the first 24-48 hours at 
least. Applying heat too soon increases pain and swelling. (I have 
personal experience of that!).
sol

Linda Ellis wrote:

> Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out here, 
> I'm betting someone has some ideas!
> 
> I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty sure 
> is a broken toe. No point going to the ER with it - they'll give him 
> a boot and send him home.
>
> I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling down 
> (he hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to promote 
> healing). 

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Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

I know of a family who built a straw bale house. Never did hear how they 
liked it. Lot of info online I think.
I have heard of bamboo blinds from china with termites in them, but that 
was 40 years ago at least. Most things might be already fumigated these 
days, but whether the crates themselves are also fumigated?

sol

Dan Nave wrote:


You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to get
rid of possible pests...

Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob".
Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you want
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Re: CS>Pool purifier

Surgeons use a silver compound for wahing hands?  It must be FDA
approved.  So much for the FDA notices that that silver is not effective
in killing germs!

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> When we had our pool we changed from chlorine to bacquasil. does the
> name sound familiar?? It is a silver compound that is used for washing
> the hands of surgeons befroe operating. It worked great. "Ole Bob"
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Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

I'd apply EIS and DMSO. Doesn't really need to be much more than 10% 
DMSO, but could go higher if tolerated. Several times a day. Could also 
use a DMSO gel with MSM.


I've always been told you ice such an injury the first 24-48 hours at 
least. Applying heat too soon increases pain and swelling. (I have 
personal experience of that!).

sol


Linda Ellis wrote:

Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out here, 
I'm betting someone has some ideas!
 
I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty sure 
is a broken toe.  No point going to the ER with it - they'll give him 
a boot and send him home.


I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling down 
(he hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to promote 
healing). 




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CS>CS for varicose veins

2005-11-14 Thread genesis4


Dear list members:

A message went through the list recently about CS for varicose veins; 
unfortunately I can't find it.  Does anyone have any experience with this? 
I would love to know the protocol.


Thank you for your many suggestions and support.
Blessings to all,
Carlene





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Re: CS>Ode? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

2005-11-14 Thread Grace1way

 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 4:20:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
odecoy...@alltel.net writes:

This  should go on the off topic list


I agree, but don't know how to do that.  Can somebody spell it out for  the 
rest of us how to move a subject to the off-topic list.  EASY, SIMPLE  steps, 
for beginners, please!
 
Jill

Re: CS>"God's" Creation? can we move the house building topic to there too?

I really want to go into some detailed questions about how to build  
sustainable housing but on that list so we don't clog you up. BTW I  don't get 
any 
email from that list, though I am subscribed.
 
possibly reasons.
 
1. no email going out on that list.
 
2. I subscribed to a digest and don't know it 
 
3. they are going out on that list and I don't recognize it because they  are 
all from the same people!
 
Harper

RE: CS>Fish

2005-11-14 Thread Heather King (LCA)

Silver still kills bacteria. Dead bacteria cannot process fish wastes,
allowing the toxins (ammonia, nitrates, nitrites) to build up to
dangerous levels. Why would you want that? Outside water is just as
dependent on the bacterial synergy as is indoor tank water.

 



From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fish

 

 

If one has a small fish pond outside, is it possible to keep the
water more alge free if you put small particles of silver in.  I don't
think this should hurt the fish.  I was thinking of the tiny pieces I
have left over when the rods have worn thin

nancy

Re: CS>"God's" Creation?

Can we move this over to the off topic list?  There we can discuss the
writings that the Old Testament of the Bible were taken from, and how
this really comes together for those who really want to know the truth.

Marshall

Bill Keen wrote:

> Wow! In MY family, the only one as dumb as a vegetable had been struck
> by lightning!  Genesis tells us that everything was made for man.
> Killing and eating flesh was the result of Adam's sin and began after
> they were expelled from the Garden of Eden.  The fruits and grains
> were always meant for man to consume. As for forgiveness, He is
> faithful and just to forgive AFTER you have successfully repented.
> Until you have changed your thinking to stop sinning He CAN'T forgive
> the ongoing sins.  Sin is in the thought, not the deed.  Deeds are the
> result of thoughts. Bill Keen



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Re: CS>Meats, etc.

2005-11-14 Thread Barbara

How do I do what?  I'm using Outlook which is Microsoft  Explorer.  
But Mozilla does have email program which is called Thunderbird. 
I have it set up too but do not use it for different reasons.  Is this what you 
are asking for?

Barbara





  How do you do that? I have been using FireFox for about a year now for my 
browser, but still use Netscape for email because my Firefox does not have an 
email capability!  Is it hidden? 
  Marshall

Re: CS>Meats, etc.

Bob, the only person that has control over your spam rejector is you.
No one is doing anything wrong, you simply need to white list this mail
server and the problem will go away.

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> V, Barbara, Hurd Cornstoves, your emails come through as spam. What
> are you doing that'ss wrong?? "Ole Bob"
>
> V  wrote:
>
>  I Calif raw milk is $8 a gallon in the store and $15 a pound
>  for the raw butter. they have ordering online.
>
>  http://www.organicpastures.com/
>
>  V
>
>
>  > Mary! Where do you live? Raw milk in Florida goes for
>  incredible $12 a
>  > gallon! If I go to the health food store, I pay
>  > $8 but it is Holstein not Jersey. Fresh eggs $3.50 a
>  dozen.
>  > Wow, I envy you your luck
>
>  > Barbara
>
>
>
>
>  > In my quest for healing, I found a supplier of
>  no-antibiotic,
>  > grain/grass-fed beef - 1/4 cow delivered today at under
>  $2/#.
>  > Thru www.freecycle.org, I met a local lady (with similar
>  Christian views)
>  > who brings me fresh, clean cow milk and cream and farm
>  eggs.
>  > Milk $1.50-gallon and eggs $1/doz.
>  > It pays to research and keep looking for the best
>  nutrition for your $.
>
>  > Love,
>  > Mary
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>RE: CS >30-35ppm CS

Bill Keen wrote:

> How do they work. <> They use High Voltage (15,000 volts {15Kv}) of
> AC.  One silver electrode is placed into the water.  My unit has High
> Voltage cable with an alligator clip on the end.  I just clip a
> "Trader's Round" on and bend it so that the coin is mostly under
> water.  Do NOT let the steel alligator clip get into the water.  The
> water will tend to 'climb' up while the unit is running. The other
> lead had a silver wire clipped on and it is suspended about 1/4 inch
> above the surface.  This limits the current to produce smaller
> particles.

Uhh, that will produce an arc and produce nirtic acid.  It will digest
the skin of your throat and mouth, and reek havoc with your whole body.
Also it will produce NO colloidal silver at all, but silver nitrate that
is not only toxic but will give you argyria as well.  If you want to
make colloidal silver properly using the HVAC cone method, then the
electrode(s) must be much closer to the water, about .05" or so, so the
water is drawn up to the electrode, and there is no spark or arc at
all.  Arcs will produce huge amounts of nitric acid.

Marshall

Re: CS>is alkaline water necessary for making good CS...?

White list eskimo.com, that is what I have done to make sure to get all
messages from this list.

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> Nenah, for some reason your posts appear on my spam list. What are you
> doing??? "Ole Bob"



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Caution...

You fogot to white list silver-list@eskimo.com

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> Mike, for some reason your email on pork appeared on my spam list and
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Re: CS>Meats, etc.

Terry Chamberlin wrote:

> As a rule of thumb, Reams said, Do not eat animals
> that eat dead animals. We have no trouble with
> avoiding vultures or jackals, we have more trouble
> with lobster, crab (both bottom-feeders), and pork.
> Dr. Reams said to avoid regular tuna (The pigs of the
> ocean), which are bottom-feeders. White Albacore Tuna
> is good, it only eats what it catches.

Can you clarify this a bit.  So animals that eat live animals are ok,
right?  What about animals that will eat dead animals, but are not feed
dead animals, like pigs that are corn fed? Does it have to do with what
they actually eat, or what they are willing to eat if available, that is
their actual diet, or their metabolism?

Thanks,

Marshall



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Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

2005-11-14 Thread Connie Howard

Ode  you mention tree farming/logging country; does that mean
Washington State?

connie


On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:06:02 -0500 Ode Coyote 
writes:
>  Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I 
> estimated
> that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build 
> this
> small house for $3,000.
>  I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself.
> 
> ode
> 
> At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using 
> to get
> >rid of possible pests...
> >
> >Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and 
> "cob".
> >Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you 
> want
> >to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive.
> >
> >Check out:
> >
> >http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html
> >
> >http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm
> >
> >http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5
> >
> >How about this?  (from the first link above)
> >
> >Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED 
> and
> >reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from 
> nosy
> >neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment 
> can
> >enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable 
> piece of
> >land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in 
> which
> >to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how 
> to
> >select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a 
> septic
> >system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and
> >refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, 
> soft
> >cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
> >From: siriu...@aol.com
> >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> >Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US?
> >
> >My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year 
> and
> >rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea 
> of
> >building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates.
> >
> >We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone 
> water
> >rather than chlorine.
> >
> >The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of 
> wisdom
> >for solar panels vs.  wind generators, water purifiers, well water 
> and
> >cisterns etc?
> >
> >We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground 
> facility
> >or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to 
> flooding
> >and government use restrictions.  We may end up inheriting one.  In 
> this
> >case we will build a shipping crate house on top.  Any input on 
> house
> >buildin is appreciated.
> >
> >Harper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: CS>CS V diets Mary

 
I am a woman but I did come close to being  man in several societies  because 
I was a woman doing man things therefore I was treated as a  man.
 You are an anthropologist Mary. A medical anthropologist and so are  the 
people on this list. Many anthropologist have honorary degrees and came into  
the 
field through experience like Diane Fossi.
 
Harper
 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:02:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
restq...@verizon.net writes:

Hi Harper,
I've enjoyed your wisdom so much!
Dumb question: are you a woman or a man?
No offense meant - you mention wearing your Campfire girl uniform (I was  
also a Campfire girl).
Then you mentioned wanting to become a man by killing a lion.
I have utmost respect for anthropologists and wish I'd taken that route  in 
my life.
Maybe it's not too late?
Anxious to hear your reply,
Love,
Mary

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Re: CS>30-35ppm CS

I doubt very much you made 300 ppm of CS,  CS is not stable beyond 30 or
so max.  The only way I know to make anything that high a concentration
with pure water and silver and it remain clear is to use High Voltage
and produce nitric acid, which will then combine with the silver as it
is being made and make silver nitrate.  If you do that the stuff will
taste horrible.

Marshall

Bill Keen wrote:

> Well, I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for with So I am
> interested in how you managed to get 30-35 ppm, despite the large
> floating particles.
>
> I have made ~300ppm which was absolutely clear.  This was with my HVAC
> CS Generator.  I made this strength to provide a concentrated solution
> to be diluted for use to about 15ppm.  However, my daughter took some
> with an eyedropper and squirted it down her throat.  She said that it
> tasted horrible.
>
>
>
> Bill Keen

Re: CS>What to do about a broken toe?

2005-11-14 Thread Connie Howard

When the hood of my car fell across my hand I was surprised to see I
still had finger, I immediately soaked a wash cloth in Colodial Silver
(20ppm) and DMSO and kept it wet and left it on the the rest of the
day...  I had no pain and no black and blue.  All I'm left with is my
little finger does not move up as far as it used to; but at least I have
fingers and no ER bills.

connie

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:43:46 -0800 (PST) Linda Ellis
 writes:
Okay, this may be OT, but there are so many holistic types out here, I'm
betting someone has some ideas!

I'm looking for ideas to help my husband with what we are pretty sure is
a broken toe.  No point going to the ER with it - they'll give him a boot
and send him home.

I want to make him more comfortable, and try to get the swelling down (he
hit his toe over 24 hours ago, so we're doing heat to promote healing).  

I've also had him pulsing with Bil's MP5K, and using footbaths with Epsom
Salts and Apple Cider Vinegar and DMSO.

Does anybody else out there have any ideas?   We'll try it all

Linda

Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

 Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I estimated
that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build this
small house for $3,000.
 I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself.

ode

At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to get
>rid of possible pests...
>
>Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob".
>Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you want
>to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive.
>
>Check out:
>
>http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html
>
>http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm
>
>http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5
>
>How about this?  (from the first link above)
>
>Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED and
>reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from nosy
>neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment can
>enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable piece of
>land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in which
>to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how to
>select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a septic
>system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and
>refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, soft
>cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
>From: siriu...@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US?
>
>My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year and
>rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea of
>building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates.
>
>We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone water
>rather than chlorine.
>
>The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of wisdom
>for solar panels vs.  wind generators, water purifiers, well water and
>cisterns etc?
>
>We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground facility
>or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to flooding
>and government use restrictions.  We may end up inheriting one.  In this
>case we will build a shipping crate house on top.  Any input on house
>buildin is appreciated.
>
>Harper
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>CS V diets

2005-11-14 Thread Hurd's Cornstoves

Hi Harper,
I've enjoyed your wisdom so much!
Dumb question: are you a woman or a man?
No offense meant - you mention wearing your Campfire girl uniform (I was also a 
Campfire girl).
Then you mentioned wanting to become a man by killing a lion.
I have utmost respect for anthropologists and wish I'd taken that route in my 
life.
Maybe it's not too late?
Anxious to hear your reply,
Love,
Mary
  - Original Message - 
  From: siriu...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:32 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS V diets


  thanks for the links to the diets. These are aspects I never knew before. 
Funny you should send one that mentions the Masai. As a little girl LOOONG ago 
I unwillingly spent a summer in Nigeria. Nigeria was  plunged into civil war.  
I lived every moment in my Campfire  uniform because I had missed summer camp 
over this war. When my father's work was done  he took us all on camera safari 
to east Africa.  I  proudly wore my Campfire girl uniform as we visited each 
tribe saluting them with a WOHELO!

  And then we entered a Masai village on our way to visit an old drinking buddy 
of my dad's. I saw a man in a lion's mane head dress with his wives and wives'  
herd of cows. My father's friend explained that he was a MAN  because he had 
killed a lion, I decided from that moment that when I grew up I would kill a 
lion and become a man.

  Well I never did but I did become an anthropologist. This is fascinating. 
Thanks again.

  Harper

Re: CS>Ode? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??

Yes I did build my own house..all by myself at that.
An engine hoist and winch did most of the heavy lifting. [I only weigh 150 pounds]
I've known people and have been one for years and years, who built and lived in alternative housing of all sorts, used solar, wind and water mostly based on junk recycled into useful machinery.
..a few experiences with the making of swimming holes including some adventure [and misadventure] with dynamite and AMFO as the Earth mover. [Make the swimming hole 'before' you build the house? ;-)]
Shipping crates may not meet code. You might have to deal with building inspectors.
One thing to look into is straw bale houses. They are slowly gaining approvals.

This should go on the off topic list.

Ode

At 10:32 AM 11/13/2005 EST, you wrote:

Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US?

My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year and rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea of building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates.

We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone water rather than chlorine.

The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of wisdom for solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water and cisterns etc?

We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground facility or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to flooding and government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In this case we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on house buildin is appreciated.

Harper

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Re: CS>Square or round wires?

  It has been done.

ode

At 08:17 PM 11/13/2005 -0800, you wrote:
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>I often thought there is no reason you cant use a stainless steel bowl or
jar and have the bowl be the negative terminal and then you only need one
silver electrode in the water. since the silver only comes off the positive
terminal and the bowl has a negative charge it should not loose any metal
to the water. having two silver electrodes and the silver only coming off
one electrode seems like the negative silver electrode has no use except to
conduct current
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>> I always felt that someone using a wide flat anode should use two 
>> cathodes - one on each side of the flat anode.
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>> Dan
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>Subject:Re: CS>>Square or round wires?
>> From:Ode Coyote 
>> Date:Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:02:59 -0500
>> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
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>> Where ion discharge is concerned, the area presented does not discharge 
>> ions in direct proportion to the area presented.
>> On wide flat electrodes, the center does very little while the edges 
>> discharge the greater proportion of the ions. It's visibly obvious that 
>> there's a big difference while observing how electrodes wear away.
>> The back sides do virtually no ion discharging.
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>> Corners and edges disappear first, corners faster than edges, till 
>> finally you have a "U" that looks much like "V" with a rounded tip 
>> instead of a rectangle.
>> The newer electroplating electrodes are made in a "D" shape with the 
>> rounded side being the side not facing. This shortens the pathways from 
>> the back, eliminates the secondary backside edge that a block has and 
>> evens out the actual discharge area some.
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>> Round shapes have no backsides, ineffective side facing flat centers, 
>> corners or edges, except for the end which will sharpen with the 
>> disproportionate discharge occurring there.
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>> Distance counts.
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>> The front of a round will go away a 'little' faster, [Which is why 
>> modern electrodes aren't 'round cylinders'] but swapping their positions 
>> between batches makes the former back the front and a piece of wire 
>> doesn't have the front/back distance differences that a 20 pound 
>> cylinder of copper has and the size/distance relationships aren't 
>> linear. ie, the smaller the diameter, the less the effect.[but also less 
>> surface area]
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>> Bending the very tips away from each other a bit will prevent tip 
>> erosion to a great degree..or..don't put the ends in the water in the 
>> first place.
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>> A round wire has ..almost.. twice the 'effective' discharge area than a 
>> flat rectangular electrode with the same surface area.
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>> A square wire run with flats parallel will become a rounded wire...more 
>> "D" shaped, actually, with the rounded part facing as the leading edges 
>> do most of the work.
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>> Ode [ex electroplater]
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