date:20051213

Hi Pat...I have not been on this list that long and I too am new to making the 
collodial silver...I bought a basic unit from V who is on this list as well and 
if I can do it so can you ...and we have all these wonderful brains on this 
site to pick...go for it...deb

Pat  wrote: Can you make a true colloidal silver 
at home?  This thing I've been reading
 ( www.silver-colloids.com )says it's extremely difficult to make and that's 
why most brands are really ionic silver which binds with chloride and then is 
passed through the body.  ...It says if it's made by electrolysis it's not a 
true colloid, but is mostly ionic silver.  Ionic silver is good for 
disinfecting when chloride isn't present, but I mostly want it to kill germs 
inside my body.  I'm so confused, it seems different articles contradict 
each other.  Thanks for your help.

  Pat




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Re: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

You know there is a group on Yahoo that is a Beck group...deb

"Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:  Catherine San,

Thanks for this. I will follow up on it.

As for German brain-tuner units, if you have any links, would you 
kindly forward them to me directly? I am quite curious.

For years I have wanted to try a Bob Beck brain tuner but have yet to 
get around to it. Too many other interests. . . .

Best,

JBB


On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2005, at 14:20 Asia/Tokyo, Catherine Creel wrote:

> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
> You said:
>
>
> <> is
> regrettable that there electro-medicine remains so obscure, though.
> What I would like to see is the kind of disprovable confirmation of my
> speculation that would lead to acceptance and widespread use among
> people who treat mental illnesses. If you are aware of any
> researchers who have the funding and ability to carry out the kind of
> double or triple-blind studies needed, please let the list know. It
> would be interesting to follow such work. I did read a newspaper
> article some years ago about the new low-energy variations of
> electro-convulsive therapy, but the clinicians using it seemed to have
> no clear idea of why it worked.
>
> C. Creel may know whether anyone has ever used electro-medicine
> successfully to treat schizophrenia. It would be good to know if so.
> Bob Beck claimed great results with addictive disorders.>>
>
>
>
> ** Actually, the latest research in conventional treatment is on
> TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation). It is still in the
> experimental phase and most trials (at least in the U.S.) are geared
> toward depression. I've heard of one trial for schizophrenia.
>
> http://pni.unibe.ch/TMS.htm
>
> http://apu.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/ 
> magnetic_stimulation.html
>
> http://www.musc.edu/tmsmirror/articles.html
>
>
> My understanding is that in Germany there are "brain tuner" units
> that are highly sophisticated. Naturally, medicine ignores anything
> that is not from conventional sources.
>
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RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

I love my cast iron too got rid of my micro wave and anything that had a 
coating on it a long time ago...deb

Jim Holmes  wrote:  That is very interesting information. 
Do you have a source handy? 

TIA,

Jim 

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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:27 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

Both cast aluminum and cast iron griddles work the same way.
They absorb oils and develop a black thick hard slick surface when
'seasoned in' that's sometimes better than teflon. It's nearly impossible
to dig through the seasoning layer with a steel spatula.
A well seasoned cast aluminum or cast iron waffle iron works MUCH better
than a teflon coated waffle iron.
No aluminum or iron is exposed to food. None.

Never clean either till it's shiny.
Hot water is OK now and then..soap, not.
After that rare washing, coat with oil and heat till dry. It'll never
rust.
Lots of people kept their cast in the oven.
I've dug shiny clean and new looking waffle irons out of dumpsters because
people threw the plates in the dishwasher to get the waffles off the iron
because they couldn't make a waffle they could get off the iron...because
they kept cleaning the iron.
Neglect is the key. Wash it as little as possible.
Waffle stuck on? Soak it with oil and let it burn off. The next one won't
stick.
They only start working well after you can hardly tell what metal it's
made of by looking at it.
Grandma may have worked at it for years..then you toss her prize tool into
the dishwasher and wonder about that shotgun in her hands.

Stainless is great for boiling. Teflon is OK for slow cooking eggs and
bacon/steak/burgers/chops and for bake ware. Teflon is almost a necessity
for poached eggs.

But gimme ole nasty black looking cast aluminum or iron for pancakes and
waffles. The cruddier the better.
Ode

At 11:24 PM 12/8/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>
>After roughly 30 yrs of warnings about the use of aluminum cookware, I
could
>not bring myself to use it ever again. I remember how tomatoes or any other
>acidic food would yield a shiny pot ---before cleaning it, that is. That's
>when I realized where all the "dirty" aluminum went---right into the
>spaghetti sauce! But I'm still scratching my head over the idea that you'd

>actually WANT to
>cook with aluminum!
>
>
>Rowena says: I was raised to have a horror of aluminium pots, drinking
cups, 
>anything. My mother a bit ahead of her time again there. Over sixty years

>ago she knew this. Plastic also she avoided.
>Some twelve years ago, I was given a griddle, I suppose it would be called.

>For cooking pancakes or whatever when camping. A kind of round slab of 
>aluminium with a folding handle. As I have read in the past that aluminium

>is fairly safe if used for cooking with FAT, I did sometimes use it to make

>that sort of food. Okay, dangerous behaviour, yup.
>
>When I started using virgin coconut oil, I made some pancakes on this 
>gadget. The coconut oil cleaned the aluminium - right onto the pancakes in

>layers. Aluminium paint, basically, I suppose.
>
>Threw the pancakes out, also the griddle.
>
>Now I use a flat SS electric frypan. Should have used one all along.
>
>By the way - after years of assuming glass was the highest form of cooking 
>receptacle, I came across a comment that after all, there turns out to be a

>problem with it. I can't remember what that problem was, and can't find
any 
>reference to it in a search. But I know it was severe enough to make me 
>feel pretty disappointed. About something or other being released into the

>food. Ever feel you can't win, heh heh?
>
>Rowena 
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RE: CS>Type I diabetes...

Mike I have read alot about the consumption of grains and white bread that has 
been bleached with alloxin that shuts down the pancreas in labatory animals to 
prevent the production of insulin.deb

Jim Holmes  wrote:  Has she been consuming much Aspartame? 

Jim

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From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Type I diabetes...

I haven't had the chance to research this condition, yet. From what my 
wife tells me, my daughter's friend has just been diagnosed with what 
appears to be a typical case of sudden onset type I diabetes.

The girl, 15, was being treated for a yeast infection. The first round 
of treatment being ineffective, the doctor did some additional tests, 
including a blood glucose, which was higher than the 500 full scale of 
the meter. 

They put the girl in the hospital, where she's being controlled with 
insulin and coached on managing her condition. She'll probably be 
released in the next day or two. 

Does anyone have any reports, positive OR negative, on alternative 
treatments for this condition? Any good theories being put forth as to 
the root cause? Successful remissions or cures? Specific treatment 
attempts, even unsuccessful?

Thanks,

Mike D.
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RE: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

Stevia works for me...deb

Jim Holmes  wrote:  Yet another chlorinated hydrocarbon.

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From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au] 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

Those like my wife who have to avoid sugar would probably find sucralose 
(Splenda) the best
alternative.

Have you done a search on "Splenda health dangers"?
Rowena 

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Re: CS>homemade Generator

Thanks alot I appreciate it...debbie

Robert Berger  wrote:Hi Deborah,
   
  The laser beam shows that the silver ions are starting to clump together. 
This is called agglomeration, which is something you don't want as it just uses 
up silver and adds nothing to the PPM concentration.
   
  So if you brew in subdued light then you will see the red beam earlier so 
that you can stop the process sooner.
   
  Never wash anything with soap or detergents as any residue will cause the EIS 
(aka CS) to turn yellow, which is an indication that agglomeration has set-in.
   
  I hope this helps.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Machine

I see.  I was putting them side by side with the wide sides together.  I 
will try them side by side with the narrow sides together.


I just found a battery and can see that the terminal is closer to the 
narrow edge than it is to the wider edge so it should work that way.


Dan



Subject: Re: CS>Machine
From: V 
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:44:48 -0800
To: Dan Nave 

Hi Dan,

You snap them together on edge.  lay them flat on the table and then 
face them toward each other and snapy them together one terminal of one 
battery to one terminal of the other you can daisy chanin together as 
many as you want like this. I have put 100 together befor to make 900 
volts. but you can just snap 3 or 4 together for the silver maker.





Take care,
 V



>> Hi Jill,


>> Please explain to me how you snap three 9 volt batteries together.
>> Last time I tried it the batteries were too fat to allow them to
>> mate...


>> Dan


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2005-12-13 Thread starshar

From: "Marshall Dudley" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:23 AM

> It might, but I cannot find its ingredients anywhere on the site.  Gatorade
> has citric acid, which may play a part in how it works with CS, and I do not
> see anything about citric acid on that product.
**

Darn, I was hoping to use the Gookinaid that I have with my CS. This product is 
recommended by Dr Cheney for CFS/FM.
I managed to find this:

SOME FACTS ABOUT GOOKINAID HYDRALYTE'S FORMULATION 
As well as its affordability, Gookinaid Hydralyte has been developed to be more 
effective than other formulations in preventing dehydration and sustaining 
energy. This is because Gookinaid Hydralyte is an isotonic mixture. Isotonic 
means it has the same concentration of particles, molecules and ions as body 
fluids. Most other electrolyte drinks do not match the concentrations of 
electrolytes in the body. Instead they contain high amounts of Sodium and 
Glucose. Their formulations may not contain the correct ratios of Magnesium, 
Calcium, and especially Potassium, required by the body. 

Gookinaid Hydralyted also contains glucose sugar. This is because glucose is 
required by the body to generate energy and because it is lost during 
dehydration. The amount of glucose in Gookinaid Hydralyte is isotonic because 
it enters the bloodstream at just the right concentration to create and 
maintain a normal blood-sugar level. Diabetics should only use Gookinaid 
Hydralyte with the advice of their medical professional. 

Other sports and electrolyte drinks also contain sugar, but at very high 
concentrations which can raise blood sugar to unhealthy levels. They also 
contain sugar in forms other than glucose, which are artificial and not 
naturally recognised by the body. After a short-lived buzz from the excess 
sugar contained in these drinks, most people feel as if they are crashing 
because of the high amounts of insulin produced by the body to bring sugar 
levels back to normal. 

With its superior formulation and great value for money, Gookinaid Hydralyte 
should be the drink you choose when you want to replace lost fluids and 
electrolytes and improve the way you perform in all that you do. 

  NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION 
  Serving Size = 1 cup (234 ml) % Daily Value 
  Calories.. 39   
  Protein 0 g   
  Carbohydrate (as glucose sugar)... 10 grams  4 % 
  Fat...
 0 grams
  Sodium 69.3 mg  3 % 
  Potassium 99.7 mg  3 % 
  Calcium... 2.0 mg  0.4 % 
  Magnesium.. 1.4 mg **   
  Phosphate... 27.3 mg **   
  Vitamin C 60 mg  100% 

Sharon

> starshar wrote:
> 
>> After watching all the debate on Gatorade I'm wondering if anyone has ever
>> used this:
>>
>> http://gookinaid.com/
>>
>> It is said to be a bit "healthier" than Gatorade.
>>
>> Any comments?

Re: CS>Malaria questions

2005-12-13 Thread Greg Ball

I've been diagnosed with babesia which is in the family of malaria. How much 
silver would I take to knock this out? Thanks - Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:50 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>Malaria questions

  Silver is being used in Mexico with great success to cure Malaria. 

  -Original Message-
  From: Heather King (LCA) [mailto:heather.k...@microsoft.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:25 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>Malaria questions

  Hello Listers,

  My Parents (65 & 68 years old) just returned from a year in Uganda &
  Malawi, with the longest bit of time spent in very primitive conditions
  in Malawi. My Dad managed to contract malaria about 2 months ago and
  only suffered symptoms for a short duration. They were both on
  antibiotics nearly the whole time they were there, so I was wondering if
  the antibiotics reduced his possible parasitic infection. Would he
  basically still have malaria even though they haven't found much in his
  blood to prove it? Also, in your opinion, what type of damage would
  steady antibiotic use do an older person's immune system, if any? And
  lastly, but probably more importantly, would CS have any effect on
  malaria parasites? Lots of questions, I know. You all seem to have such
  a vast body of experience that I'm hoping this set of Q's falls
  somewhere inside that. 

  Thanks in advance,
  Heather

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RE: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

Hey Jim, maybe you could benefit from some electrotherapy...

Subject: RE: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia
From: "Jim Holmes" 
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:31:07 -0700
To: 

ZT.

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From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

John Wesley, a founder of the Methodist Church, was very involved with
"alternative" healing methods and also a proponent of electro therapy.
A lot of his views on electro therapy comes from his personal experience
as he used this to heal other people.   See the excerpt below from the
URL listed.  Other information is available by searching...

Dan

http://freespace.virgin.net/joseph.gadsby/page12.htm

John Wesley conducted his enquiries into electricity with
characteristically thorough and painstaking research. The first part
'The Desideratum' is concerned with setting out in forty-two numbered
paragraphs all the information that he had been able to gather together.
His own comprehensive and intriguing survey concludes with this: "To
throw all the Light I can on the Subject, I subjoin a few Extracts from
several other Writers" (Wesley 1759) The whole of it makes quaint and
rather naive reading today. Having investigated the nature of this
'elementary fire' as he called it, Wesley went on to describe the uses
to which it may be put and in particular its healing properties. Wesley
proceeds to specify "several Disorders wherein Electrification has been
found eminently useful" (Wesley 1759). The list of disorders is of great
interest. Forty-three specific ailments are mentioned. Among them are
blindness, chlorosis, contraction of the limbs, gout, sciatica, pain in
the back, and in the stomach. We know that he found the treatment
particularly efficacious in cases of melancholia and, what are sometimes
loosely called today, nervous disorders. With his enthusiasm, Wesley
cannot resist a timely word of caution: "In order to prevent any ill
Effect, these two Cautions should always be remembered, First, let not
the Shock be too violent; rather let several small Shocks be given.
Secondly, do not give a Shock to the whole Body, when only a particular
part is affected. If it be given to the Part affected only, little Harm
can follow even from a violent shock" (Wesley 1759).

>> "Jonathan B. Britten"  12/12/2005

12:45:36 AM >>>

This is another first-rate reply;  I wish we had more like this on our

list.   Thanks for all of this.

I am not a medical researcher, but I will take the liberty of passing

on a personal speculation that I think in time may be proved by
someone, somewhere:  electrical therapy, long known to be useful in
treating depression, works because it kills or debilitates pathogens
that cause the affective disorder.Some clinicians now, I read, have

replaced the old, horrifyingly massive electro-convulsive methods with

much milder and longer series of electro-shock.

When I read this, Bob Beck's therapeutic regimen came to mind
immediately, along with my little speculation, which of course is far

below the standard of being called a hypothesis.

Some members might want to keep the idea in mind and see whether it
eventually come to correspond with any clinical experiments.   If it
does, it might turn out that techniques some of our list members use
may have mental health benefits.

JBB

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Re: CS>homemade Generator

2005-12-13 Thread M. G. Devour

As you're already figuring out from other replies, Kel, there's a lot 
of ways to build a CS generator!

Current limiting can be as simple as a series resistor sized so that, 
once the current increase vs. time curve starts to level off it's 
drawing no more than about a milliamp per square inch of wetted area. 
That should be about the time you start seeing a Tyndal effect from the 
laser pointer... right, Bob?

If your process varies by a factor of two here or there, it's not 
crucial. You'll find that there's a lot of room for variation without 
losing effectiveness.

Keep up the good work. Ask questions (there's other newbies reading 
along eagerly!). Let us know how it goes.

Be well,

Mike D.


> I just got my 99.99% silver wire, now I want to get cookin.  So, for
> clarification: -the voltage doesn't matter, higher voltage just means a
> quicker cooking time. -current regulation isn't an issue, it sounds like
> you guys are just hooking up wires from a voltage source. -distilled
> water is the best if it is accessible. -the batch is done when a laser
> can be seen from the side of the container.
> 
> If anyone can think of anything else let me know.  I have an Associate
> degree in Electronics so building circuits isn't a problem for me.  This
> list is a great resource.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kel
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Re: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

2005-12-13 Thread twll56

Manuka Honey.
Everybody do a search on this stuff.It sounds like its good for everything.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:31 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

  Unless they have recently modified the formula, Pedialyte contains Aspartame. 

  -Original Message-
  From: Connie Howard [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
  Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:24 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

  Would the juice act as an electrolyte?  I thought electrolyte was more of a 
saltine type liquid; but I'm not really that knowledgeable on this subject.

  connie

  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:58:33 -0800 Raine  writes:

I don't know that I'd use Pedialyte either... Perhaps just adding it to 
fresh juice, or at least organic store-bought juice, would be good enough?

-Raine

grace1...@aol.com wrote: 

  Instead of the Gatorade, could one use the electrolyte for children, 
Pedialyte?  If the electrolytes in Gatorade were the essential reason one mixes 
this with CS, I was hoping to use Pedialyte instead to avoid the sugar and 
other allergenic ingredients in Gatorade.

  Jill

Re: CS>RE: homemade generator

2005-12-13 Thread Wayne Fugitt


Evening Ken,

>>At 06:26 PM 12/13/2005, you wrote:


Thanks Marshall and Wayne for your replies.

Wayne, I am looking at a schematic of your circuit.  Is the LED the 
current limiter?  If so according to Marshall I need no more than 1ma per 
square inch, I am assuming of electrode surface area.  Lets say the bridge 
will allow about 50.6V (voltage drop from diodes) to the rest of the circuit.
   While all your calculations may be right,  I don't think you allowed 
for the resistance of the water.
And of course the distance of the electrode spacing enters in.  This is the 
real current limiter


In reality, the current is much less.


Does this seem right to the CS generator veterans on the list?  Should I 
be worried enough to boggle my own mind trying to do this?


  Hopefully, you have a current meter.  I would connect it and monitor the 
current on the first few batches.


  I did this and recorded the current relative to time, usually every 5 
minutes.
If you are using a non automatic device,  after a time watching the 
current, you develop an instinct for

how any specific assemble will work.

You will also see the current increase as the conductivity decreases.  You 
can stir manually or get an air bubbler, or fashion some other method.


You can make great CS and prove that it works without getting so technical.

Observation and an open mind helps a lot.

If you want to get highly technical, design a current limiter circuit or 
buy one that is ready to go.
From everything I have read on the list over the years, a number of great 
generators exist.


I have proven time and time again that my manual CS is effective.

I would suggest that you work manually for a time, then decide if you want 
an automatic generator with all the bells and whistles.


I have spent a lot of time with analog and digital sensors, inputs and 
outputs.  I always felt that if I was going automatic, I would build a 
computer controlled unit and data log the current, temperature,

and do an automatic cut off.

That would be a fun project for sure.  A few 1.0 inch LED instruments would 
enhance everything very much.  Of course the sensors and signal 
conditioners could make this unit cost $ 500 to $ 1000.

The one inch meters used to cost near $ 100.00

The CS would still work much like that made with the ten dollar system.
Fun, experience, and learning would be the reward, unless you knew 
everything when you started, then it would be no fun at all.


Wayne






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RE: CS>Malaria questions

Silver is being used in Mexico with great success to cure Malaria. 

-Original Message-
From: Heather King (LCA) [mailto:heather.k...@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:25 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Malaria questions

Hello Listers,

My Parents (65 & 68 years old) just returned from a year in Uganda &
Malawi, with the longest bit of time spent in very primitive conditions
in Malawi. My Dad managed to contract malaria about 2 months ago and
only suffered symptoms for a short duration. They were both on
antibiotics nearly the whole time they were there, so I was wondering if
the antibiotics reduced his possible parasitic infection. Would he
basically still have malaria even though they haven't found much in his
blood to prove it? Also, in your opinion, what type of damage would
steady antibiotic use do an older person's immune system, if any? And
lastly, but probably more importantly, would CS have any effect on
malaria parasites? Lots of questions, I know. You all seem to have such
a vast body of experience that I'm hoping this set of Q's falls
somewhere inside that. 

Thanks in advance,
Heather

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CS>Re: Ole Bob Booklet

2005-12-13 Thread tdg39

Hi there Ole Bob,
If possible I also would like a copy of your booklet.  If its hard copy let me 
know where to send my SASE and what size it should be and I'll get it off.  If 
you are sending by email my address is td...@tampabay.rr.com

Thank you,
Terry

CS>CS and X-Rays

2005-12-13 Thread alchemySA

An aquaintance commented to me today that they thought their
store-bought ionic CS didnt seem to be working as well since it passed
through an airport x-ray machine. Normally I wouldnt take much notice
except that it sounds like this person is usually pretty sensitive to
the effects (or lack of them) of CS.

So, can X-rays alter CS?

David



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RE: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

2005-12-13 Thread Greg Ball

Hi  - I'm new to the list and could use advice. I am working on overcoming Lyme 
disease and babesia that I contracted probably 20 years ago. I was given false 
negatives for all those years, and within the last year tried a new test which 
was positive. I am trying to decide on two things:

1. Do I use a home made silver or should I buy the Sovereign Silver or their 
stronger 23 ppm version? 

I have been considering buying the silvergen. I have a small home made three 9 
volt batter silver maker, but it doesn't go above 2-3 ppm, and I'm sure it's 
not a very good quality.  The Sovereign I have heard repeatedly to be the 
purest and the most dispersed and fine particles of silver.  However it's super 
expensive! It would be so much money to just take enough to make a difference.

The Sovereign people say that no home made can compare to their silver's 
purity, effectiveness and safety from Argeria. What do you all think?  Is the 
homemade close enough to be effective and safe? Is the Silvergen the one you 
would suggest? Or should I stick with Sovereign Silver?

2. How much should I be taking to kill lyme and babesia (a single celled 
parasite that is a co-infection w/lyme from the same tick bite). 

Thanks in advance for your advice & support!

Andrea

CS>Re: CS Booklet

2005-12-13 Thread Debb Bos

Debb Bos
3445 180 str.
S.Surrey BC Canada
V3S-0L5
  wrote:Hi I would really apprerciate a booklet also
Thanks in advance! If you need Some money for postage let me know Debb.

Re: CS>homemade Generator

Hi Deborah,
   
  The laser beam shows that the silver ions are starting to clump together. 
This is called agglomeration, which is something you don't want as it just uses 
up silver and adds nothing to the PPM concentration.
   
  So if you brew in subdued light then you will see the red beam earlier so 
that you can stop the process sooner.
   
  Never wash anything with soap or detergents as any residue will cause the EIS 
(aka CS) to turn yellow, which is an indication that agglomeration has set-in.
   
  I hope this helps.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Machine

 
  Hi Deborah, 
   
  I need a mailing address.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Deborah Gerard  wrote:
You could send one my way too if you would...thanks debbie

Re: CS>Re: controversey

Hi Cari,
   
  Send me your mailing address.
   
  "Ole Bob"

cari smith  wrote:
Thanks..see they don't give all the info...on another list a dr. said that 
bacteria and viruses are mutating form silver too so the hype is a 
hoaxquote...
   
I have heard great things ,can you share some of yours?
   
 Cari

Robert Berger  wrote:
Hi Cari,
   
  The "blue man" is a US Representative that made his home brew EIS (aka CS) 
using Montana well water. Most farm wells are contaminated with fram 
fertilizer, which has a high level of nitrates. So what he was making was 
silver nitrate, which will turn one blue.
   
  That is why it is recommended to use the best grade of distilled water 
available.
   
  Too many thousands of home brews are around that can testify that there is no 
problem. Just make it with the proper materials.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Re: controversey

2005-12-13 Thread cari smith

Thanks..see they don't give all the info...on another list a dr. said that 
bacteria and viruses are mutating form silver too so the hype is a 
hoaxquote...
   
I have heard great things ,can you share some of yours?
   
 Cari

Robert Berger  wrote:
Hi Cari,
   
  The "blue man" is a US Representative that made his home brew EIS (aka CS) 
using Montana well water. Most farm wells are contaminated with fram 
fertilizer, which has a high level of nitrates. So what he was making was 
silver nitrate, which will turn one blue.
   
  That is why it is recommended to use the best grade of distilled water 
available.
   
  Too many thousands of home brews are around that can testify that there is no 
problem. Just make it with the proper materials.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Machine

You could send one my way too if you would...thanks debbie

Robert Berger  wrote:Hi Jill,
   
  What method are you using to test for silver concnetration?
   
  The silver "sticks" are called wires when ordered. When used to brew with the 
are called electrodes. :-) A minor point of infromation.
   
  If you would like a pre-issue copy of my booklet, you might find it useful. 
Its free!!
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>homemade Generator

Could you expound on this a little further for me Bobthanks deb

Robert Berger  wrote:Jill,
   
  When you start to see a faint red beam of light when the laser beam is 
projected through the walls of a clear brew cell. It is best to work insubuded 
light.
   
  The brighter the red beam of light the more the EIS has started to 
agglomerate. From then on it is a waste of silver and your time.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Re: controversey

Hi Cari,
   
  The "blue man" is a US Representative that made his home brew EIS (aka CS) 
using Montana well water. Most farm wells are contaminated with fram 
fertilizer, which has a high level of nitrates. So what he was making was 
silver nitrate, which will turn one blue.
   
  That is why it is recommended to use the best grade of distilled water 
available.
   
  Too many thousands of home brews are around that can testify that there is no 
problem. Just make it with the proper materials.
   
  "Ole Bob"

CS>RE: homemade generator

2005-12-13 Thread Kelburn Koontz


Thanks Marshall and Wayne for your replies.

Wayne, I am looking at a schematic of your circuit.  Is the LED the current 
limiter?  If so according to Marshall I need no more than 1ma per square 
inch, I am assuming of electrode surface area.  Lets say the bridge will 
allow about 50.6V (voltage drop from diodes) to the rest of the circuit.  
LED's drop about 2V so the resistor will drop about 48.6V.  At 8K that means 
a current of about 6ma, that LED will be dim.  So that means I need at least 
6 square inches of electrodes in the water.


12 gauge wire is 1/12" in dia, or .08333", so the Area of the wire 
electrodes equals:


I want 6 square inchesof surface area.  Area of the ends of the wires plus 
the area of the sides.

6 =(2*pi*r^2)+(2*pi*r*h) = 2*pi( r^2 + r*h)

6/(2*pi) = r^2 + r*h

.955 = r^2 + r*h
R equals .041665"
so,
.955 = .041665^2 + .041665*h = .00174 + .041665 * (unkown h or total length 
of electrodes)


.955 -.00174 = 0.95326 this is inches squared.
square rooted .955 equals .976
.976/.041665 = 23.43 inches total lengths of electrodes.

Or 11.7 inches each electrode underwater.  If I use 12" that should put me 
under the 1ma per square inch requirement.


Does this seem right to the CS generator veterans on the list?  Should I be 
worried enough to boggle my own mind trying to do this?


Thanks,
Kel



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Re: CS>homemade Generator

Jill,
   
  When you start to see a faint red beam of light when the laser beam is 
projected through the walls of a clear brew cell. It is best to work insubuded 
light.
   
  The brighter the red beam of light the more the EIS has started to 
agglomerate. From then on it is a waste of silver and your time.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Re: controversey

2005-12-13 Thread cari smith

Sorry but this was part of a internet bashing of CS...it showed a man who 
changed color(grey) from using CS...I am new to this so I wanted someone to 
explain ...it didn't copy the whole page...
   
   cari

sol  wrote:
  Cool, I love things like that ad, that remind me how much $$ I may have 
saved making my own. Since we are rather heavy users of EIS/CS here, at 
our normal usage of at least a gallon a week, the product in the ad 
(with s/h added) would cost $870.40 for one gallon. For an average 
savings of around $3500 per month. Nice. Of course the important point 
is I don't have $3500 per month (over basic living expenses) to spend on 
anything, let alone CS.
LOL,
sol


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Re: CS>homemade Generator

 
In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:16:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kelbur...@hotmail.com writes:

-the  batch is done when a laser can be seen from the side of the  container.



Kel:
 
I have nothing more to add; seems like you are off to a roaring  start!  I 
just wondered if you could explain to me how to use a laser to  tell when the 
batch is done.
 
Thanks,
 
Jill

CS>Re: Pat &Ode posts

Welcome to the club Pat. I can't read Ode's stuff unless I hit the reply 
button.then I can read it.
   
  Then hit the cancel button to get rid of it.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Pat  wrote:
I can't seem to open any of Ode Coyote's attachments.  They only say 
they're scanned for virus, but have no other text. 


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Re: CS>RE; Jill's protocol

Thanks, "Ole Bob",
 
Very interesting!
 
I have a couple other similar stories:
 
I read, but don't remember the source, that right before WW II  the Germans 
were putting harmful microbes into the water in certain areas to  reduce the 
Jewish population.  They were confused when their attempt at  "population 
control" had little or no effect.  It seems the Jews were  making silver water 
secretly in their garages using very simple setups such  as you described!
 
I had the privilege of hearing Bob Beck give  a talk at a mind/body 
conference in Los Angeles on how to get rid  of HIV in 21 days.  He was such an 
entertaining character!  He  said he would always carry his CS making device in 
his 
pocket.   Particularly when he was travelling where he did not trust the water 
supply  (South America), when served a glass of water in a restaurant he would 
take out  his pocket device, brew CS in his drinking water, wait six minutes, 
and by the  time the meal came he was ready to drink it.  No problems 
drinking the  water this way!
 
Jill

Re: CS>True Colloid?

Marshall, 
   
  I violently object to the phrase, "all medical literature indicates that 
argyria is caused by ionic silver." I have seen that phrase used too many time 
to obfuscate the facts.
   
  I probably read as much medical literature as you do and have never seen a 
statement like that !!
   
  Please do the list the honor of listing your sources. !
   
  "Ole Bob" :-(  :-(

Re: CS>Re: controversey

2005-12-13 Thread sol

Cool, I love things like that ad, that remind me how much $$ I may have 
saved making my own. Since we are rather heavy users of EIS/CS here, at 
our normal usage of at least a gallon a week, the product in the ad 
(with s/h added) would cost $870.40 for one gallon.  For an average 
savings of around $3500 per month. Nice. Of course the important point 
is I don't have $3500 per month (over basic living expenses) to spend on 
anything, let alone CS.

LOL,
sol


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CS>Malaria questions

2005-12-13 Thread Heather King (LCA)

Hello Listers,

My Parents (65 & 68 years old) just returned from a year in Uganda &
Malawi, with the longest bit of time spent in very primitive conditions
in Malawi. My Dad managed to contract malaria about 2 months ago and
only suffered symptoms for a short duration. They were both on
antibiotics nearly the whole time they were there, so I was wondering if
the antibiotics reduced his possible parasitic infection. Would he
basically still have malaria even though they haven't found much in his
blood to prove it? Also, in your opinion, what type of damage would
steady antibiotic use do an older person's immune system, if any? And
lastly, but probably more importantly, would CS have any effect on
malaria parasites? Lots of questions, I know. You all seem to have such
a vast body of experience that I'm hoping this set of Q's falls
somewhere inside that. 

Thanks in advance,
Heather


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Re: CS>Fwd: Distilled Water question

Dr. Zoltan Rona - what a great name.

...

In a secret lab 
(underground)
Professor Zod
experiments with
PowerTron

And the secret is
that they drive
and in an instant
they're alive
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>>> "4optimallife" <4optimall...@rogers.com> 12/12/2005 1:05:26 PM >>>

Here is an article on the dangers of distilled water by Dr. Zoltan
Rona, a well-respected MD practicing complementary medicine here in
Canada.

http://www.4optimallife.com/Distilled-Waters-Danger-To-Health.html 



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Re: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

I can't imagine any parasites being able to live in that high a
concentration of salt!

So, I doubt that is what happened...

Dan



>>>  12/12/2005 1:40:01 PM >>>

I have thought of adding sea salt also, but the last time I used sea
salt I  
got parasites from it.  It was still slightly wet and in large 
cystals.
 
My confusion about adding salt of any kind, and electrolytes, for that 

matter, to CS is that I would think the ionic silver would combine with
the  
electrolytes in the salt or Gatorade, or whatever, and then be 
neutralized.  
Someone who understands chemistry please set me  straight.
 
Thanks,
Jill


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Re: CS>Machine

 
Hi Raine:
 
When you brew a batch, how many batteries are you using?  How much  water do 
you use?  How long does it take?  How do you know when it is  done?  Can you 
see changes in the water to let you know it is finished when  you use distilled 
instead of tap water?  Did you ever measure the parts per  million?  If so, 
are you able to consistently produce the same parts per  million in repeated 
trials?
 
Jill
 
In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:43:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rainelov...@sbcglobal.net writes:

I have  this same set-up, and I always use distilled water with it. I've 
never had a  batch not "brew", and I don't use any additives such as  salt.

CS>RE; Jill's protocol

 
   
  Greetings Lister's.
   
  The history of the building of the Burma road in ww II involves the use of 
silver ions to eliminate diarrhea and dysentery.
   
  A British doctor had made silver wires one meter long and soldered them on 
the ends of "D" batteries. the silver wires were placed in the Lister bags ( a 
WW II 50 gallon rubberized canvas water holder) and in several days the problem 
disappeared.
   
  I read this in a 1952 to 1954 Reader's Digest. At the time I was working in 
La Ceiba Honduras where our water supply was direct run-off from the mountains, 
no filter nothing. It was loaded with animal E-coli but no human E-coli.
   
  Our research lab made up 12 petri dishes to run a 1/10/100/1000 dilution 
study for me to do  water test trying to duplicate the article and this is what 
I found.
   
  The plain water tested heavily with bacteria colonies. The 1000 to 1 dilution 
still had five colonies.
   
  Test #2; I stirred sample #2 with a silver wire for one minute. The 1000to 1 
plate had no colonies.
   
  Test #3; I attached silver wires to the end of a "D" cell and stirred the 
water with the silver wires for one minute. None of the four plates had any 
colonies !!!
   
  Now today I took a 13 ounce glass of Kansas City water, inserted two #12 
silver wires into the water so that they had 4" of wet length. I applied 27 
volts and measured the current vs time. 
   
  Time   Current
0 54 ma
2 55 ma
3 55.4 ma
   
  The Ag+ measured at .66 PPM which is more than adequate for most health 
problems.
   
  It had a disagreeable taste and a lot of silver chloride in it but usable.
   
  "Ole Bob"
   
  PS The Reader's digest company index only goes back to 1960. So if you want 
to go to a good library you may find the article.
   
  Bob

RE: CS>Hach reagents

Jim, please go to www.natural-immunogenics.com, and look around.
   
  Stephen recently had a in vitro test of his product and Mesosilver after both 
had been innoculated with about 3 ppm of HCL to eliminate the ionic portion of 
Mesosilver. It showed zero pathogenic effect !!!
   
  Previously I had check Mesosilver at 4.5 PPM ionic.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Jim Holmes  wrote:
Bob,
   
  Are you saying only ionic Ag is effective?
   
  Jim

Re: CS>Gatorade, Not so good

Marshall, I am surprised at your question about testing Gatorade for silver
   
   If there were any silver in it would be in the form of silver chloride due 
the the presence of the salt, and the Hack chemicals ONLY measure silver 
ions.!
   
  "Ole Bob"
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  

Marshall Dudley  wrote:
  Did you test the Gatorade and see if it has any silver in it already?

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> Listers, The question was raised "if anybody wants to do testing" was
> rigth on time. In prepration to answering your last post to me about
> total silver, it raised by quriosity about Gatorade So
> I pruchased a bottle and run several test. The results are a bit
> unusual !
>
> Test #1 EIS lot: 11-20-05; Ag+ =8.8 PPM cryatal lear with no T. E. in
> room light. Mix 20 cc EIS with 40 CC Gatorade...Ag+= 4.18 PPM Test
> #2 EIS lot: 10-9-05; Ag+ = 7.7 PPM (retested today)Yellow color with
> medium T. E. in room light. Yellow color is 0.40 yellow as measured
> against the Unicolor color match kit. The sample was in a 1" test
> tube. Mix 20 cc EIS with 40 cc Gatorade...Ag+= 2.2 PPM I would
> have expected Test #1 to be 2.93 instead of 4.18 PPM I expected Test
> #2 to be 2.56 instead of 2.2 PPM. NOW, who wants to unravel this one
> ??? "Ole Bob"



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CS>CS Machine

2005-12-13 Thread Pat

 That's so neat how easy it is to make a CS  machine!  The instructions I'd 
read before called for soldering  wires and all.  
  Great to have this new colloidal silver info and to hear about experiences 
with it.  
  I'm pretty convinced it works now since my sore throat didn't turn into  a 
cold like always, plus a burn that never hurt after 2 hours.  
  

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Re: CS>Machine

2005-12-13 Thread V

Hi Dan,

You snap them together on edge.  lay them flat on the table and then face them 
toward each other and snapy them together one terminal of one battery to one 
terminal of the other you can daisy chanin together as many as you want like 
this. I have put 100 together befor to make 900 volts. but you can just snap 3 
or 4 together for the silver maker.




Take care,
 V


> Hi Jill,

> Please explain to me how you snap three 9 volt batteries together.
> Last time I tried it the batteries were too fat to allow them to
> mate...

> Dan



  12/12/2005 2:43:38 PM >>>
> If you would like, I can explain further how to make CS using three
> 9-volt  
> batteries snapped together, 2 alligator clips, two silver sticks (.999
> pure),  
> tap water, and a glass measuring cup.
>  
> Jill


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Re: CS>Gatorade, Not so good

2005-12-13 Thread Stuff


Recently, a dentist and his partner got some bad food at a restaurant,
getting very sick to their stomachs.

They drank some CS with Gatorade with no effect but as soon as they
took straight CS, problem solved.

This leads me to the conclusion that CS with Gatorade is only useful
with a systemic problem outside of digestive problems.

Anyone have a similar encounter?

stuff

At 08:34 AM 12/13/2005, Ode wrote:

##  No componant in Gatoraid complements CS **
CS should be added immediately before consumption to prevent 
chemical changes in the CS.



Gatoraid is NOT** good for CS, however


Formation of silver chloride takes a little bit of time.
Gatoraid enhances absorption rate in the stomach [if it even gets 
'to' the stomach] much like DMSO does for skin absorption and will 
carry the CS into the bloodstream before it has time to react with 
the Chlorides in the Gatoraid.


You can drink water and feel it "hit bottom".

I've never felt Gatoraid "hit bottom".


Gatoraid absorbs almost as fast as an injection and was used a lot 
back in the 70s to piggyback other things so as to speed up catching 
a buzz with LSD, alchohol ..or you name it.  It worked amazingly 
fast...if one was careless...all too well.


**   Marshall stated an interesting alternative viewpoint.

Ode








I ask again, what component in Gatorade complements CS?

Wayne




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Re: CS>Gatorade, Not so good

Stuff wrote:

> Recently, a dentist and his partner got some bad food at a restaurant,
> getting very sick to their stomachs.
>
> They drank some CS with Gatorade with no effect but as soon as they
> took straight CS, problem solved.
>
> This leads me to the conclusion that CS with Gatorade is only useful
> with a systemic problem outside of digestive problems.
>
> Anyone have a similar encounter?

No, but that may make sense.  If the gatorade causes the silver to pass into
the blood much faster than normal, then it would have less effect on any of
the pathogens that are actually in the stomach.  I will add that warning to
my theory.html page.

Marshall

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CS>Homemade Generator, No batteries !

2005-12-13 Thread Wayne Fugitt


Morning Kel,

>>At 11:02 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:

If anyone can think of anything else let me know.  I have an Associate 
degree in Electronics so building circuits isn't a problem for me.  This 
list is a great resource.


   Very soon you will think of 100 ways to build a CS generator.

   They can be simple or sophisticated.

   Unless you want an automatic, idiot proof model, then strive for 
simplicity.


   These could vary from your automobile battery,  3 each  9 volt 
batteries, to a solar charger, an LED and a resistor.


I actually use the brilliance of my LED to reject distilled water.  ( 
I have an EC meter )


   As was pointed out, higher voltage can be an advantage.  Some use 100 
VDC and I have used 70 VDC.


   I ask you to consider my basic design that works on 52 VDC, no battery 
and no solar charger.


  Total parts cost is less than 10 dollars.  If you are into 
electronics,  you likely have everything.


  Where does the 52 VDC come from?   Three guesses !   Your local 
telephone line.


  This design has been criticized on this list as being marginally illegal.

   Virtually everything connected to a phone line draws more current than 
the Phone Line Generator.


   I have a lousy drawing on my website, plus I have a pictorial I had to 
make for a few people whereas I only send the parts.


  Here is the lousy drawing.  http://www.fugitt.com/ph_gen.jpg

  This circuit uses one full wave bridge.   The reason being is that  Tip 
and Ring are often reversed.

I use a red and black rubber boot on the alligator clips.

I fully realize that the LED is the only thing that is polarity 
sensitive.  The silver electrodes are not.


The full wave bridge, as you know, corrects the polarity for the LED, no 
matter what the polarity input.


Here is the pictorial.  The few people I sent this to said it helped them 
to assemble the unit.  These were non technical 
people.  http://www.fugitt.com/files/cs_phone.jpg


The complete unit is assembled in a surface mount phone terminal 
block.   The mechanics are a bit tricky and tedious, but when done 
correctly, it goes together very nicely.


The complete unit fits in the shirt pocket.

To get past national security, I have a label that says,  "Phone Line 
Tester", which it is.

If it said, "Silver Generator", it might attract too much attention.

Again, the ones that want to talk about the legality of this device are 
wasting their time and bandwidth.


The very old CS page is likely out of date and has some documents exist 
that are technically incorrect today.
Some are OK and a number of links exist, and one cute Java script that can 
be stolen if you wish.

( it does require a few class files, *.cla )
http://www.fugitt.com/cs.htm

Wayne


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Re: CS>Machine

2005-12-13 Thread Tony Moody

On 12 Dec 2005 at 11:30, Pat wrote about :
Subject : CS>Machine

> 
> I've read directions to make a colloidal silver machine and they sound like 
> something I can't do. 
> I've been recommended The Colloidal Master Model 777 AC by Synergenesis. What 
> do you all 
> recommend? Those little bottles at the health food stores cost a fortune.
> 
>  Pat
> 

Hi Pat, 

I agree with everything that Jill has just said about making silver water 
using drinking water and simple apparatus. And I go on to say that even 
if you do decide to get an automatic device it is a "good thing" to try 
making a simple CS generator yourself. To learn about connecting up 
simple electrics, the electrolysis process, what makes better CS and 
what makes sludge, etc etc.   

The simplest way is using a single 9 volt battery connected to two pieces 
of silver immersed in water for a few minutes. 

If you are not using distilled water then : 
*  9 volts is more than sufficient.You don't need three batteries.
* The process is really quick. About 3 minutes per glassful is enough.
* Keep the silver the same distance apart each time you make a batch. This will 
make the process a bit more predictable.
* Keep the silver water product cool and dark and it will last at least a day 
and maybe a month. 

Hope this helps.
Tony



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Re: CS>Machine

2005-12-13 Thread Sasha Max

Pat - 
I can vouch for my Silvergen SG6. I adore it. Very easy to use, no problems
ever, and it makes consistent CS ppm's every time. Just get Walgreen's
distilled water to use to make your CS. 
Sasha 

---Original Message--- 

From: Marshall Dudley 
Date: 12/12/05 11:59:27 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>Machine 

If you get one of the silver Gen units like the SG6 ( http://www.silvergen
com ), or silver puppy units ( http://www.silverpuppy.com ), then all you do
is pour in the distilled water, plug it in, and when the led's say so, use
the CS that it has produced 
Marshall 
Pat wrote: 
I've read directions to make a colloidal silver machine and they sound like
something I can't do. I've been recommended The Colloidal Master Model 777
AC by Synergenesis. What do you all recommend? Those little bottles at the
health food stores cost a fortune. 

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Re: CS>Machine

I have never had a problem getting the three 9-volt batteries to snap  
together.  Are you using identical batteries from the same manufacturing  
batch?  
Maybe you need to press a little harder.  As with clothing  snaps, they may be 
hard to snap together.  There is only one way they can  go together; two of the 
batteries are side by side, and the third faces these  and connects all three 
together with the snaps.  That leaves two snaps free  to attach alligator 
clips.
 
Jill

RE: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

I read much of his work many years ago, and have been taking huge doses of
vitamins ever since.  

-Original Message-
From: 4optimallife [mailto:4optimall...@rogers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:41 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

Sorry.  Vit CJ is a typo

He specifically used "niacin" which is a B vitamin from the reading I have 
done.  Of course, over the years, the protocol has been refined and now 
Omega 3's are considered a necessity.

www.doctoryourself.com has lots of information on Dr. Hoffer.  I would award

Dr. Hoffer a Nobel prize if I was responsible for awarding it.

Kallie

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Holmes" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:31 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

> He could shift a person back from psychosis with megadoses of B complex.
>
> BTW, what is vitamin CJ, or J?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 4optimallife [mailto:4optimall...@rogers.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:36 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia
>
> Dr. Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD has been curing schizophrenia for over 50 years
> with diet and mega doses of Vitamin CJ, & niacin.  The treatment has been

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RE: CS>Re: .999 Electrodes for CS

2005-12-13 Thread Mary Bennett

Thanks, Tel!


- Original Message - 
From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: 12/13/2005 7:24:56 AM 
Subject: CS>Re: .999 Electrodes for CS


To: jacknm...@mindspring.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: .999 Electrodes for CS


AZ.

Re: CS>Gatorade, Not so good

Did you test the Gatorade and see if it has any silver in it already?

Marshall

Robert Berger wrote:

> Listers, The question was raised "if anybody wants to do testing" was
> rigth on time. In prepration to answering your last post to me about
> total silver, it raised by quriosity about Gatorade So
> I pruchased a bottle and run several test. The results are a bit
> unusual !
>
> Test #1 EIS lot: 11-20-05; Ag+ =8.8 PPM cryatal lear with no T. E. in
> room light. Mix 20 cc EIS with 40 CC Gatorade...Ag+= 4.18 PPM Test
> #2 EIS lot: 10-9-05; Ag+ = 7.7 PPM (retested today)Yellow color with
> medium T. E. in room light. Yellow color is 0.40 yellow as measured
> against the Unicolor color match kit. The sample was in a 1" test
> tube. Mix 20 cc EIS with 40 cc Gatorade...Ag+= 2.2 PPM I would
> have expected Test #1 to be 2.93 instead of 4.18 PPM I expected Test
> #2 to be 2.56 instead of 2.2 PPM. NOW, who wants to unravel this one
> ??? "Ole Bob"



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CS>Re: controversey

2005-12-13 Thread cari smith



Marshall Dudley  wrote:

Re: CS>homemade Generator

Kelburn Koontz wrote:

> I just got my 99.99% silver wire, now I want to get cookin.  So, for
> clarification:
> -the voltage doesn't matter, higher voltage just means a quicker cooking
> time.

Higher voltage means faster starting time. But since you want to limit to no
more than about 1 mA per square inch, the voltage will drop as the conductivity
increases.

>
> -current regulation isn't an issue, it sounds like you guys are just hooking
> up wires from a voltage source.

To do it right you need to limit current to 1 mA per square inch.  The current,
and rate of the process, is exponential, and the particle size goes up with
current density, so limiting current can be pretty important.  After 3 horus of
brewing, it could go from good quality EIS to a brown yuck in less than 1/2 an
hour.

>
> -distilled water is the best if it is accessible.

Distilled water is essential. If for instance you start with water that has 10
ppm of chlorine in it (actually much less since ppm is based on atomic weight
not atom count) you will have produced 10 ppm of silver chloride before making
any colloid at all.

>
> -the batch is done when a laser can be seen from the side of the container.

The laser determines the amount of colloid and the particle size. Since size is
very dependent on conditions such as purity of water, voltage, current density,
purity of the water, temperature and stiring, and the tyndall increases to the
3rd power of the size, tyndall is a very crude measure of quality or colloidal
concentration.

Marshall

>
>
> If anyone can think of anything else let me know.  I have an Associate
> degree in Electronics so building circuits isn't a problem for me.  This
> list is a great resource.
>
> Thanks,
> Kel
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Re: CS>True Colloid?

Robert Berger wrote:

> MARSHALL, WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT IONIC SILVER CAUSES ARGYRIA
> 
>
> All medical literature indicates that argyria is caused by ionic
> silver. Every single one of the cases were caused by silver chloride,
> silver nitrate or other ionic silver compound.  We know that colloidal
> cannot cause it, since argyria is silver that is already particle in
> nature (that is developed), and silver can only exist in 3 forms,
> particulate of pure metal, ionic compounds, or non soluble compounds.
> The first does not cause it, since it cannot form a particle upon
> exposure to light, it already IS a particle, the last cannot make it
> into the blood stream, so the only one that can cause argyria is ionic
> compounds of silver.  All you have to do is look at the photgraphic
> process, which is all that argyria is, and look at the different
> compounds of silver in a chemical sourcebook, and you will find that
> all of them, silver chloride, silver oxide, silver acetate, silver
> citrate, silver nitrate are ALL light sensitive, meaning that they
> will reduce to silver particles upon exposure to light and thus can
> cause argyria. I have never seen that before  I know of no
> reported cases of argyria from EIS except the nut from Montana.
>
> Who said that EIS can cause argyria? I have never said that, and in
> fact in my theory.html page give the reasons why EIS CANNOT cause
> argyria.  The colloidal portion of EIS is a prophylactic against
> argyria.  Prophylactic means a preventative, not a cause.  Fact is
> that if you take ionic silver compounds such as silver nitrate, it can
> cause argyria, but if you mix it with EIS, the colloidal portion of
> EIS can actually prevent argyria.
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
>   "Ole Bob"
>
> Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>
>  Pat wrote:
>
> >  Can you make a true colloidal silver at home?  This thing
> > I've been reading
> >  ( www.silver-colloids.com )says it's extremely difficult
> > to make and that's why most brands are really ionic silver
> > which binds with chloride and then is passed through the
> > body.  ...It says if it's made by electrolysis it's not a
> > true colloid, but is mostly ionic silver.  Ionic silver is
> > good for disinfecting when chloride isn't present, but I
> > mostly want it to kill germs in! side my body.  I'm so
> > confused, it seems different articles contradict each
> > other.  Thanks for your help.Homemade EIS is a combination
> > of colloidal silver and ionic silver.  Ionic silver is
> > important for healing, since it is capable of  causing
> > injured cells to redifferentiate back to stem cells.  The
> > colloidal component is necessary because it acts as a
> > prophylactic against argyria and unless taken with
> > Gatorade or similar makes it into the blood quicker.  Both
> > eventually end up in the blood and form a colloid.  See
> > http://www.silver-lightning.com/theory for more
> > information on all of this.Marshall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pat
> >
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>

Re: CS>AC vs. DC

2005-12-13 Thread Pat

I can't seem to open any of Ode Coyote's attachments.  They only say they're 
scanned for virus, but have no other text. 
  


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CS>homemade Generator

2005-12-13 Thread Kelburn Koontz

I just got my 99.99% silver wire, now I want to get cookin.  So, for 
clarification:
-the voltage doesn't matter, higher voltage just means a quicker cooking 
time.
-current regulation isn't an issue, it sounds like you guys are just hooking 
up wires from a voltage source.

-distilled water is the best if it is accessible.
-the batch is done when a laser can be seen from the side of the container.

If anyone can think of anything else let me know.  I have an Associate 
degree in Electronics so building circuits isn't a problem for me.  This 
list is a great resource.


Thanks,
Kel



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Re: CS>Gatorade, Not so good

I am adding your viewpoint to the theory.html as well.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

>  ## No componant in Gatoraid complements CS **
>  CS should be added immediately before consumption to prevent chemical 
> changes in the CS.
>
>  Gatoraid is NOT** good for CS, however
>
> Formation of silver chloride takes a little bit of time.
> Gatoraid enhances absorption rate in the stomach [if it even gets 'to' the 
> stomach] much like DMSO does for skin absorption and will carry the CS into 
> the bloodstream before it has time to react with the Chlorides in the 
> Gatoraid.
>
> You can drink water and feel it "hit bottom".
>
>  I've never felt Gatoraid "hit bottom".
>
> Gatoraid absorbs almost as fast as an injection and was used a lot back in 
> the 70s to piggyback other things so as to speed up catching a buzz with LSD, 
> alchohol ..or you name it. It worked amazingly fast...if one was 
> careless...all too well.
>
> ** Marshall stated an interesting alternative viewpoint.
>
> Ode
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>  I ask again, what component in Gatorade complements CS?
>
>  Wayne
>
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Re: CS>Machine

Hi Jill,
   
  What method are you using to test for silver concnetration?
   
  The silver "sticks" are called wires when ordered. When used to brew with the 
are called electrodes. :-) A minor point of infromation.
   
  If you would like a pre-issue copy of my booklet, you might find it useful. 
Its free!!
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

2005-12-13 Thread 4optimallife


Sorry.  Vit CJ is a typo

He specifically used "niacin" which is a B vitamin from the reading I have 
done.  Of course, over the years, the protocol has been refined and now 
Omega 3's are considered a necessity.


www.doctoryourself.com has lots of information on Dr. Hoffer.  I would award 
Dr. Hoffer a Nobel prize if I was responsible for awarding it.


Kallie

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Holmes" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:31 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia



He could shift a person back from psychosis with megadoses of B complex.

BTW, what is vitamin CJ, or J?

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From: 4optimallife [mailto:4optimall...@rogers.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:36 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: CS- Schizophrenia

Dr. Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD has been curing schizophrenia for over 50 years
with diet and mega doses of Vitamin CJ, & niacin.  The treatment has been




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Re: CS>Machine

Hi Jill,

Please explain to me how you snap three 9 volt batteries together.
Last time I tried it the batteries were too fat to allow them to
mate...

Dan



>>>  12/12/2005 2:43:38 PM >>>
If you would like, I can explain further how to make CS using three
9-volt  
batteries snapped together, 2 alligator clips, two silver sticks (.999
pure),  
tap water, and a glass measuring cup.
 
Jill


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Re: CS>A better electrolyte?

It might, but I cannot find its ingredients anywhere on the site.  Gatorade
has citric acid, which may play a part in how it works with CS, and I do not
see anything about citric acid on that product.

Marshall

starshar wrote:

> After watching all the debate on Gatorade I'm wondering if anyone has ever
> used this:
>
> http://gookinaid.com/
>
> It is said to be a bit "healthier" than Gatorade.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Sharon
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Re: CS>True Colloid?

MARSHALL, WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT IONIC SILVER CAUSES ARGYRIA 
   
  I have never seen that before  I know of no reported cases of argyria 
from EIS except the nut from Montana.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Marshall Dudley  wrote:
  Pat wrote:  Can you make a true colloidal silver at home?  This thing 
I've been reading 
 ( www.silver-colloids.com )says it's extremely difficult to make and that's 
why most brands are really ionic silver which binds with chloride and then is 
passed through the body.  ...It says if it's made by electrolysis it's not a 
true colloid, but is mostly ionic silver.  Ionic silver is good for 
disinfecting when chloride isn't present, but I mostly want it to kill germs 
inside my body.  I'm so confused, it seems different articles contradict 
each other.  Thanks for your help.   Homemade EIS is a combination of colloidal 
silver and ionic silver.  Ionic silver is important for healing, since it is 
capable of  causing injured cells to redifferentiate back to stem cells.  The 
colloidal component is necessary because it acts as a prophylactic against 
argyria and unless taken with Gatorade or similar makes it into the blood 
quicker.  Both eventually end up in the blood and form a colloid.  See 
http://www.silver-lightning.com/theory for more information on all of this.   
Marshall 
  
  
  
  
Pat 
  
 

  
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RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

  ##  Years and years of personal experience cooking in wood fire ovens,
over wood cookstoves, camp fires and you name it...even grinding my own
grain and baking bread in a 'found' 5 gallon steel bucket imbedded in rocks
and mud.

Ode 

At 12:31 AM 12/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>
>That is very interesting information.  Do you have a source handy? 
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:27 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware
>
> Both cast aluminum and cast iron  griddles work the same way.
> They absorb oils and develop a black thick hard slick surface when
>'seasoned in' that's sometimes better than teflon. It's nearly impossible
>to dig through the seasoning layer with a steel spatula.
> A well seasoned cast aluminum or cast iron waffle iron works MUCH better
>than a teflon coated waffle iron.
> No aluminum or iron is exposed to food. None.
>
> Never clean either till it's shiny.
> Hot water is OK now and then..soap, not.
>  After that rare washing, coat with oil and heat till dry.  It'll never
>rust.
> Lots of people kept their cast in the oven.
> I've dug shiny clean and new looking waffle irons out of dumpsters because
>people threw the plates in the dishwasher to get the waffles off the iron
>because they couldn't make a waffle they could get off the iron...because
>they kept cleaning the iron.
>Neglect is the key.  Wash it as little as possible.
> Waffle stuck on?  Soak it with oil and let it burn off. The next one won't
>stick.
> They only start working well after you can hardly tell what metal it's
>made of by looking at it.
> Grandma may have worked at it for years..then you toss her prize tool into
>the dishwasher and wonder about that shotgun in her hands.
>
> Stainless is great for boiling.  Teflon is OK for slow cooking eggs and
>bacon/steak/burgers/chops and for bake ware. Teflon is almost a necessity
>for poached eggs.
>
> But gimme ole nasty black looking cast aluminum or iron for pancakes and
>waffles.  The cruddier the better.
> Ode
>
>At 11:24 PM 12/8/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>>
>>After roughly 30 yrs of warnings about the use of aluminum cookware, I
>could
>>not bring myself to use it ever again. I remember how tomatoes or any other
>>acidic food would yield a shiny pot ---before cleaning it, that is. That's
>>when I realized where all the "dirty" aluminum went---right into the
>>spaghetti sauce!  But I'm still scratching my head over the idea that you'd
>
>>actually WANT to
>>cook with aluminum!
>>
>>
>>Rowena says: I was raised to have a horror of aluminium pots, drinking
>cups, 
>>anything.  My mother a bit ahead of her time again there.  Over sixty years
>
>>ago she knew this.  Plastic also she avoided.
>>Some twelve years ago, I was given a griddle, I suppose it would be called.
>
>>For cooking pancakes or whatever when camping.  A kind of round slab of 
>>aluminium with a folding handle.  As I have read in the past that aluminium
>
>>is fairly safe if used for cooking with FAT, I did sometimes use it to make
>
>>that sort of food.  Okay, dangerous behaviour, yup.
>>
>>When I started using virgin coconut oil, I made some pancakes on this 
>>gadget.  The coconut oil cleaned the aluminium - right onto the pancakes in
>
>>layers.  Aluminium paint, basically, I suppose.
>>
>>Threw the pancakes out, also the griddle.
>>
>>Now I use a flat SS electric frypan.  Should have used one all along.
>>
>>By the way - after years of assuming glass was the highest form of cooking 
>>receptacle, I came across a comment that after all, there turns out to be a
>
>>problem with it.  I can't remember what that problem was, and can't find
>any 
>>reference to it in a search.  But I know it was severe enough to make me 
>>feel pretty disappointed.  About something or other being released into the
>
>>food.  Ever feel you can't win, heh heh?
>>
>>Rowena 
>>
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Re: CS>AC vs. DC

The difference is so small as to be irrelevent.
Nor are the differences consistant on either end of the debate.

You can, however, make silver nitrate with high voltage AC or DC and not know you did...and you can kill yourself very quickly by mis-operating the equipment, but you can't do either with low voltage AC or DC.

You 'can' make a mess of it with either. You can do that a 'lot faster' with high voltage.

Low voltage is not generally used by commercial producers because it takes a long time to do it right.
..not all of those using high voltage do it 'right', but those who don't... do do it wrong, fast.

If either is done well, the consumer can't tell any difference between the products.
If the consumer did it and did it right, they did it relatively slower and the difference is vast...but only in dollar cost.

If they used an "Automatic" generator, the longer time it took was spent on something else and doesn't count.

The 'main' difference, all things done equally well, is in overhead to production volume ratios.

Ode

At 08:21 PM 12/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:

This book is available to read on the internet Silver Colloids, Do They Work by Ronald Gibbs. He has been the director of the center for Colloidal Science at the University of Delaware since 1981. He states in it that The DC-produced colloidal silver products that they tested had the highest value of ionic (dissolved) silver present and did not have highly rated colloidal silver. All of the highest rated colloidal silver products tested were produced utilizing the AC process.

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Re: CS>True Colloid?

What you make works.
Some say that if there are some 'colloids' in it, it works better, that they act in complement with each other. [Brew till you see some TE]
Some say that the colloidal portion does nothing. [So what? Doesn't 'hurt' anything either.]
Some say the ionic portion does nothing. [Many are here who will testify that it does.]

Well, it IS very difficult to brew CS that has no ionic portion and almost as difficult to brew that which has zero colloidal portion.

If you brew CS to have both...and it's hard not to, you have all the bases covered and it no longer matters if you're confused ...or who is or isn't 'right'.

Ode

At 06:26 PM 12/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:

Can you make a true colloidal silver at home? This thing I've been reading
( www.silver-colloids.com )says it's extremely difficult to make and that's why most brands are really ionic silver which binds with chloride and then is passed through the body. ...It says if it's made by electrolysis it's not a true colloid, but is mostly ionic silver. Ionic silver is good for disinfecting when chloride isn't present, but I mostly want it to kill germs inside my body. I'm so confused, it seems different articles contradict each other. Thanks for your help.

Pat

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Re: CS>True Colloid?

Pat wrote:

>  Can you make a true colloidal silver at home?  This thing I've been
> reading
>  ( www.silver-colloids.com )says it's extremely difficult to make and
> that's why most brands are really ionic silver which binds with
> chloride and then is passed through the body.  ...It says if it's made
> by electrolysis it's not a true colloid, but is mostly ionic silver.
> Ionic silver is good for disinfecting when chloride isn't present, but
> I mostly want it to kill germs inside my body.  I'm so confused,
> it seems different articles contradict each other.  Thanks for
> your help.
>
> Homemade EIS is a combination of colloidal silver and ionic silver.
> Ionic silver is important for healing, since it is capable of  causing
> injured cells to redifferentiate back to stem cells.  The colloidal
> component is necessary because it acts as a prophylactic against
> argyria and unless taken with Gatorade or similar makes it into the
> blood quicker.  Both eventually end up in the blood and form a
> colloid.  See http://www.silver-lightning.com/theory for more
> information on all of this.
>
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Re: CS>Re: Machine

 An "emergent-sea" would be Montezumas Revenge in the boonies.
 ...make the CS brown, ASAP, right now ...and gulp it down ten minutes ago.
Ode

At 08:26 PM 12/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>>>Personally, I would consider Jill's method fine for emergency use or if
>>>I had no source of distilled, deionized, or otherwise pure
water...---Mike D.


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Re: CS>RE: Possible Spam Re: CS>raw foods

At 12:31 AM 12/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:
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>Is there no end to the lies that we have accepted as gospel, in sciences and
>theology, and "government". 
>
>If government is so great, they why are their services not engaged on a
>voluntary basis, like others?  What entitles government to do business at
>the point of a gun.
>
##  Could it be because there's absolutely no difference between a
Government and a street gang other than scale?
 A "good" government, or street gang, cares a little bit about it's members.
 All of the members can't agree about what 'care' is.

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Re: CS>Gatorade, Not so good

##  No componant in Gatoraid complements CS **
CS should be added immediately before consumption to prevent chemical changes in the CS.

Gatoraid is NOT** good for CS, however

Formation of silver chloride takes a little bit of time.
Gatoraid enhances absorption rate in the stomach [if it even gets 'to' the stomach] much like DMSO does for skin absorption and will carry the CS into the bloodstream before it has time to react with the Chlorides in the Gatoraid.

You can drink water and feel it "hit bottom".
I've never felt Gatoraid "hit bottom".

Gatoraid absorbs almost as fast as an injection and was used a lot back in the 70s to piggyback other things so as to speed up catching a buzz with LSD, alchohol ..or you name it.  It worked amazingly fast...if one was careless...all too well.

**   Marshall stated an interesting alternative viewpoint.

Ode





I ask again, what component in Gatorade complements CS?

Wayne




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Re: CS>CS paranoia

2005-12-13 Thread Peter



Nice ;)





There has always been discussion on this list of which
type of silver solution is preferable, or which is
most effective, or which makes CS most efficiently.
New members who are seeking info will read confusing
statements to the effect that ionic silver is better
or worse than colloidal silver, with some folks even
warning others to avoid one or the other, even
suggesting there is danger in one or the other.

We need to keep in mind that silver in any form has
been effective against pathogens. The European Royalty
ingested mechanically-ground up silver powder and
benefitted from it. Some vendors make exclusively
colloidal silver (meaning mostly particles floating in
water) and dismiss *ionic* silver (meaning silver
particles so small they are considered dissolved into
the water). I make a silver solution that is mostly
dissolved silver (what others call *ionic*), which
some folks claim has no benefit because, they say, it
changes to silver-chloride in the stomach. Yet I have
two doctor-confirmed cancer remissions and two
doctor-confirmed remissions from MS from this *ionic*
silver.

When we hear of someone using tap water to brew CS, we
shudder and say, No, No, Don't do that! But
missionaries in India use water from the Uganda River
to brew CS, which they say is quite effective against
various diseases. In fact, brewing CS in it is how
they sanitize that very polluted water.

We know about Stan Jones, who brewed 8 oz/day of city
tap-water CS, and drank the whole 8 oz each day. He
brewed it for an hour, making a coffee-colored CS.
After two years of this, he has a bluish tinge around
his eyes.

OK, so don't brew and drink coffee-colored CS. And
although I use distilled water to brew my own CS, I
wouldn't hesitate to use tap water or spring water or
filtered water if I couldn't get distilled water. I
just wouldn't make coffee-colored CS.

Using 3 or 4  9-volt batteries is fine. The more
batteries, the faster it brews. It makes a combination
of colloidal and *ionic* silver which is effective and
safe. You actually only need one silver wire, the one
that is connected to the red (positive) alligator
clip. The other (negative) wire can be stainless steel
or any other metal. It doesn't dissolve, only the
positive wire.

I used batteries at first, then changed to DC
adapters, daisy-chained together to increase the
voltage. They never ran down.

As soon as you have some CS, use it as starter for the
next batch. If you mix 8 oz of CS with 24 oz of
distilled water, you shorten the brewing time by 2/3.
(What normally took an hour will take 20 minutes.)

Although I sell a CS-brewer that makes one to ten
gallons per hour, the 3 battery one makes perfectly
good CS also. You just need to brew batches more often
(if you use it as freely as I do).

Here's a good rule: Using the best water available,
brew it as long as you want, until it starts to turn
color. If that takes ten minutes or three hours, it
doesn't matter. When it starts to turn color, stop.
Even if it is yellow, don't fret. I couldn't estimate
the number of gallons of yellow CS I've drunk in the
last six years. I never throw away CS. I drink it all.
Even those couple of times I forgot and left it all
night and woke up to find dark, blackish-brown CS with
one of the silver wires completely dissolved, I still
diluted it and drank it. I wouldn't do that
frequently, but once in awhile doesn't worry me.

Make it any way you want, using any voltage you want.
Just keep it clear or close to clear and it is
completely safe and effective. Even the FDA admits
that they have no reports of any toxic or dangerous
results from drinking any amount of
electrically-brewed CS.

This stuff is not dangerous, you don't need to be
paranoid. It is simply the best mineral water you can
drink.

Terry Chamberlin






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CS>Re: .999 Electrodes for CS

2005-12-13 Thread Tel Tofflemire

To: jacknm...@mindspring.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:19 AM
  Subject: .999 Electrodes for CS

  Mary Bennett,

  Where to buy silver wire?

  RE: Silver wire...here is a better .999 Silver Electrode than the wire as far 
as more surface for conductivity, and long lasting.

  http://www.wishgranted.com/ec_store/cat3_1.htm

  Here is another supply store with .999  wire you said you wanted.  

  http://www.ccsilver.com/ 

  Tel Tofflemire

  Dewey AZ.

Re: CS>RE: Possible Spam Re: CS>raw foods Pizza Patriot Act

2005-12-13 Thread Carol Ann

 [input][input][input][input]   

Here is a link that you should enjoy... (Copy and paste if it doesn't 
show up as a link)
Turn up your volume on your computer to hear...

http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927 

Jim Holmes  wrote:  Is there no end to the lies that we 
have accepted as gospel, in sciences and
theology, and "government". 

If government is so great, they why are their services not engaged on a
voluntary basis, like others?  What entitles government to do business at
the point of a gun.

-Original Message-
From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:33 PM
To: Robert Berger
Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CS>raw foods

I have eaten raw bacon many times and also when I was a kid. disease only
comes to those that are unhealthy. pull your head out and see that you are
still subject to the myth of pastuer. So who is the fool?
http://www.expo-net.org/PasteurBechamp.html

Take care,
 V

> Only a fool would eat raw pork. Which one of the seven common diseases do
you want?
>
>   "Ole Bob"

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CS>CS paranoia

2005-12-13 Thread Terry Chamberlin

There has always been discussion on this list of which
type of silver solution is preferable, or which is
most effective, or which makes CS most efficiently.
New members who are seeking info will read confusing
statements to the effect that ionic silver is better
or worse than colloidal silver, with some folks even
warning others to avoid one or the other, even
suggesting there is danger in one or the other.

We need to keep in mind that silver in any form has
been effective against pathogens. The European Royalty
ingested mechanically-ground up silver powder and
benefitted from it. Some vendors make exclusively
colloidal silver (meaning mostly particles floating in
water) and dismiss *ionic* silver (meaning silver
particles so small they are considered dissolved into
the water). I make a silver solution that is mostly
dissolved silver (what others call *ionic*), which
some folks claim has no benefit because, they say, it
changes to silver-chloride in the stomach. Yet I have
two doctor-confirmed cancer remissions and two
doctor-confirmed remissions from MS from this *ionic*
silver.

When we hear of someone using tap water to brew CS, we
shudder and say, No, No, Don't do that! But
missionaries in India use water from the Uganda River
to brew CS, which they say is quite effective against
various diseases. In fact, brewing CS in it is how
they sanitize that very polluted water.

We know about Stan Jones, who brewed 8 oz/day of city
tap-water CS, and drank the whole 8 oz each day. He
brewed it for an hour, making a coffee-colored CS.
After two years of this, he has a bluish tinge around
his eyes.

OK, so don't brew and drink coffee-colored CS. And
although I use distilled water to brew my own CS, I
wouldn't hesitate to use tap water or spring water or
filtered water if I couldn't get distilled water. I
just wouldn't make coffee-colored CS.

Using 3 or 4  9-volt batteries is fine. The more
batteries, the faster it brews. It makes a combination
of colloidal and *ionic* silver which is effective and
safe. You actually only need one silver wire, the one
that is connected to the red (positive) alligator
clip. The other (negative) wire can be stainless steel
or any other metal. It doesn't dissolve, only the
positive wire.

I used batteries at first, then changed to DC
adapters, daisy-chained together to increase the
voltage. They never ran down.

As soon as you have some CS, use it as starter for the
next batch. If you mix 8 oz of CS with 24 oz of
distilled water, you shorten the brewing time by 2/3.
(What normally took an hour will take 20 minutes.)

Although I sell a CS-brewer that makes one to ten
gallons per hour, the 3 battery one makes perfectly
good CS also. You just need to brew batches more often
(if you use it as freely as I do).

Here's a good rule: Using the best water available,
brew it as long as you want, until it starts to turn
color. If that takes ten minutes or three hours, it
doesn't matter. When it starts to turn color, stop.
Even if it is yellow, don't fret. I couldn't estimate
the number of gallons of yellow CS I've drunk in the
last six years. I never throw away CS. I drink it all.
Even those couple of times I forgot and left it all
night and woke up to find dark, blackish-brown CS with
one of the silver wires completely dissolved, I still
diluted it and drank it. I wouldn't do that
frequently, but once in awhile doesn't worry me.

Make it any way you want, using any voltage you want.
Just keep it clear or close to clear and it is
completely safe and effective. Even the FDA admits
that they have no reports of any toxic or dangerous
results from drinking any amount of
electrically-brewed CS.

This stuff is not dangerous, you don't need to be
paranoid. It is simply the best mineral water you can
drink.

Terry Chamberlin






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Re: CS>Machine

2005-12-13 Thread Raine


Hi Jill,

I have this same set-up, and I always use distilled water with it. I've 
never had a batch not "brew", and I don't use any additives such as salt.


Hope this info is helpful,
Raine

grace1...@aol.com wrote:



I don't remember now if the water was supposed to be distilled, with a 
pinch of salt, or drinking water.  I do remember having problems when 
the water was too pure because the process didn't seem to work.  
Perhaps if I had used distilled water, and just waited long enough 
(and had a way to test the PPM as I do now), it would have eventually 
made a good grade of CS.   
 
Jill

Re: CS>The healing properties of cats

2005-12-13 Thread Jonathan B. Britten


Sorry, I don't know  it.   The article is in the December 2005 Esquire.

JBB



On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2005, at 16:31 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:


Jonathan,

Will you save me searching about by sending the Doc's link?

TIA

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The healing properties of cats

Absolutely wrong.  It is first-rate medical research, based on
extensive analysis of brain tissue.

The doctor's sister has been institutionalized with schizophrenia her
whole life.  You would do well to read the material before dismissing
it.   That is a matter of common sense and list etiquette.



On Sunday, Dec 11, 2005, at 01:14 Asia/Tokyo, Connie Howard wrote:

I really think that medical researcher needs to have his head 
examined.

He must be having his researched funded by the government they seem to
want to spend money on anything.


connie

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:41:02 +0900 "Jonathan B. Britten"
 writes:

One leading medical researcher has devoted his career to the theory
that toxoplasm gondii, from cats, particularly their excrement, is a

leading, though not sole, cause of schizophrenia.The recent
issue
of Esquire features an article about this MD.   Those who are
interested will find it readily enough.   Bottom line:  cats (and
dogs)
kept in the house pose risks to their owners.




On Saturday, Dec 10, 2005, at 00:49 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley
wrote:


This is an interesting site that discusses the healing properties

of

cats.
Apparently there is an old saying among vets: "Put a cat in a room



with a
bunch of broken bones, and the bones will heal."

http://www.derki.com/ingilizce/firstissue/cats.html

Site has some of the cutest cat photos I have ever seen as well.

Marshall



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Re: CS>Gatorade

2005-12-13 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

I can add this:  when seriously ill with mycoplasmic pneumonia some 
years ago, the MD "prescribed" a drink called Pocari Sweat, Japan's 
version of Gatorade.   I drank many liters a day and needed every drop. 
   But be careful what you buy:  another "health" drink here called 
"Amino Suppli"  reportedly induced serious illness in one fellow who 
drank a few liters per day;  there are too many sugars in the stuff, 
and it damaged (I think) his pancreas.He became diabetic in an 
unbelievably short time.   An aberration?  I don't know.







On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2005, at 16:31 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:

Gatoraid is very close to Lactated Ringers solution, with a bit of 
coloring.  It is an excellent tool with which to rehydrate and restore 
electrolyte balance to a person without resorting to IV. 


 

You should know better.

 

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:15 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Gatorade

 














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RE: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

Unless they have recently modified the formula, Pedialyte contains
Aspartame.  

 

 

 

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From: Connie Howard [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture

 

Would the juice act as an electrolyte?  I thought electrolyte was more of a
saltine type liquid; but I'm not really that knowledgeable on this subject.

 

connie

 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:58:33 -0800 Raine  writes:

I don't know that I'd use Pedialyte either... Perhaps just adding it to
fresh juice, or at least organic store-bought juice, would be good enough?

-Raine

grace1...@aol.com wrote: 

Instead of the Gatorade, could one use the electrolyte for children,
Pedialyte?  If the electrolytes in Gatorade were the essential reason one
mixes this with CS, I was hoping to use Pedialyte instead to avoid the sugar
and other allergenic ingredients in Gatorade.

 

Jill

CS>RE: Possible Spam Re: CS>Get rid of Aluminum

"The parasites***" below...

Do you think that true in human ecology?

I think not. 

The parasites have imposed a cultural format that most of the people of the
world accept, that allows that the mutual killing of one another's smartest
and most healthy of the young, is an acceptable, even "honorable" mode of
relationship.  

The parasites are not feeding on the inept and sickly; they are feeding on
the heart, and that means that they intend to not need us in their future,
one way or another. 

I hope it is because they are going away. 

-Original Message-
From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:30 PM
To: Ode Coyote
Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CS>Get rid of Aluminum

Hi Ode,

parasites only love you when you are not helathy. that is their job to
dispose of those that are no longer viable.




Take care,
 V


> NO NO!  Eat RAW food!
>  Parasites will love ya.
>  It's good to be loved.

>  Hey Chuck, let's go eat an airplane.
> Uh...a parked one this time.

>  A sit down meal, slow roasted on asphalt.
>  Fast food is OK now and then...but, right now, I have the rest of my life
> to savor it.

> Ode


>>More and more it appears to me that obsessiveness and the anxiety it
>>causes is the greater hazard.

>>I mean really, we should all be dead now, if all of these cautions
>>were as important as we try to make them out to be!

>>   Chuck
>>The lunatic fringe begins here


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RE: CS>Type I diabetes...

Has she been consuming much Aspartame? 

Jim

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Type I diabetes...

I haven't had the chance to research this condition, yet. From what my 
wife tells me, my daughter's friend has just been diagnosed with what 
appears to be a typical case of sudden onset type I diabetes.

The girl, 15, was being treated for a yeast infection. The first round 
of treatment being ineffective, the doctor did some additional tests, 
including a blood glucose, which was higher than the 500 full scale of 
the meter.  

They put the girl in the hospital, where she's being controlled with 
insulin and coached on managing her condition. She'll probably be 
released in the next day or two.  

Does anyone have any reports, positive OR negative, on alternative 
treatments for this condition? Any good theories being put forth as to 
the root cause? Successful remissions or cures? Specific treatment 
attempts, even unsuccessful?

Thanks,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]

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RE: CS>Hach reagents