Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

[cking001]

On 12/18/2006 9:59:49 PM, Pat (pattycake29...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> Today I saw my opthalmologist because of the new large floater.  The
> retina is ok, but he wants to recheck in 3 weeks.  I told him
> I've been reading about things to help get rid of floaters and also a way to 
> lessen cataracts.  He said there is nothing that really helps either one.  He 
> said he'll
> see someone with new floaters, then again in three weeks.  The patient
> says they've gotten better, but when he looks, they're exactly the same.
> The brain adjusts and overlooks them.
> 
That's the reaction I got from my optho, too.
Had to figure it out by myself.
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Re: CS>

[starshar]

From: 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:30 PM


  Caught a good program on PBS the other day...about a program called
H.O.P.E.
  I am thinking of trying the products outlined in this program but I 
would
like to hear from others who may have tried it firsthave you ever 
heard of

it?


I'm sorry, I know nothing about this


  Way back in May of this year I finally caved and accepted meds for the
high blood pressure...nothing but problems since and the kicker is ...the
pressure still isn't going down.


There are so many ways people have found to lower/normalize their blood 
pressure, that books have been written

But I'll pass along one that I have personal knowledge of.
The man in my life fights me tooth and nail over trying to get supplements 
into him, so I gave up the idea of "pills" for him.
He started taking prescription meds and I couldn't do anything to prevent 
that.
What I did was get rid of all the regular supermarket salt in the house. 
He's used nothing but the best seasalts for the last 5 yrs.


His BP dropped to normal within a few months but the doc wouldn't agree to 
take him off the meds.

"See, they're working" said he (my comments to this are unprintable)
But a yr ago, in prep for major ENT surgery, that doc told him to stop the 
meds a month before.

A year later, no meds, no supps, but perfect BP.
Good ol' seasalt. I switch around between Celtic, Real Salt, and Himalayan.

And, BTW, this is a man who salts Bacon and Ham!!

The "old time" docs used to just give their hi BP patients potassium and 
found that it worked beautifully for most of them.


Sharon


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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

[Pat]

Today I saw my opthalmologist because of the new large floater.  The retina is 
ok, but he wants to recheck in 3 weeks.  I told him I've been reading about 
things to help get rid of floaters and also a way to lessen cataracts.  He said 
there is nothing that really helps either one.  He said he'll see someone with 
new floaters, then again in three weeks.  The patient says they've gotten 
better, but when he looks, they're exactly the same.  The brain adjusts and 
overlooks them.  

Of course, no one knows everything and if something does no harm, it's worth a 
try.

BTW, I'm sure my vet had never heard of colloidal silver.  I asked him if he 
knew about it and he looked blank and uninterested, so I just said it kills 
germs and I spray my dog's snout with it after she's been nosing around in all 
the poop at public places.  He said that's good, but didn't care to know more.  
I think sometimes highly educated people think there is nothing to be learned 
from their average client.


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Re: CS>Dental revision update...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi Sol,

You write:
> How do you determine you are getting rid of mercury? Is there a test
> that confirms lowered levels against a baseline test prior to the
> amalagam removal, or a test that confirms excretion of mercury?

I'm speaking below from what I know about the detox process. I'm 
exhibiting all the symptoms of the body trying to dump mercury as fast 
as it can now that I'm not under constant assault with my daily dose of 
*new* mercury from my mouth.

Initial confirmation will come in the next hair analysis, which, I 
think, should show mercury levels are *elevated* due to the ongoing 
detox process. The rest of the "proof" will be when I finally start to 
feel better.

I'm told I'll never get rid of all the mercury, but that I will get rid 
of as much as the body can mobilize, at which point things will settle 
down and I can get on with my life without concern for the mercury that 
remains deeply sequestered and will never come out.

> >Bottom line: I've no doubt the revision procedure stopped my intake of
> >new mercury because I have definitely begun dumping it at a furious
> >rate. 

Be well,

Mike D.
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CS>blood pressure

[Shirley Reed]

  For high blood pressure, I have read that the real area of concern is
most likely the kidneys.  So herbs, etc., that are beneficial for kidneys
can bring bp down in a hurry.  No personal experience.   pj

Re: CS>Dental revision update...

[sol]

How do you determine you are getting rid of mercury? Is there a test 
that confirms lowered levels against a baseline test prior to the 
amalagam removal, or a test that confirms excretion of mercury?

thanks,
sol
M. G. Devour wrote:

Bottom line: I've no doubt the revision procedure stopped my intake of 
new mercury because I have definitely begun dumping it at a furious 
rate. 




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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[sol]

Hmm, maybe I was remembering info from here
http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/
Keep in mind the caveats Ode posted re the SS info though.
As I keep saying, I could never sort any of this stuff myself, I just 
don't have the knowledge.


sol

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  See -- I couldn't find anything anywhere on the Sovreign Silver site that referred to ionic silver AT ALL -- much less that it was better.  The other site discussed ions and particles and tried to convince you that ions were bad (or at least useless) and particles were good.  The SS site didn't discuss the issue at all.  I thought perhaps I was overlooking one of their links.  That was the meaning of my post to you.  MA  



 




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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Sandee George]

Thank you for allowing me to join.  My name is Dee Fitzpatrick and I live
in Epsom in the UK.  I have been using CS (or EIS) for two years now with
wonderful results, both for me and my family, and my dog.  I have
'converted' many friends and even strangers to CS and have had some
really good feedback

Dee what water are you using there in the UK to make your C.S. - I would
be interested to hear so that when I return I may have a better deal than
the one I had when I was there two months ago - thanks
Sandee
Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset
Home - 61893676734 
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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes - 19 Dec

[Sandee George]

Thank you Chuck for this - I myself am dealing with floaters as well as a
cataract in the right eye which I nearly had operated on two weeks ago
until I got all of the input from the list so decided to do some further
personal work before going that route - now I do not know if you were the
person who mentioned flax seed oil however who ever did let me say this -
thanks a million - I followed the directions and boy does this get the
gunk out of the eyes I am now applying the FSO every other night
as it is so good that the eyes balls are a little pink and the sunlight
effects them - I now find that this works wonders, after two weeks the
gunk is still flowing and I have an appointment with my eye doctor in
another two weeks time we will see what he has to say when he sees my
eyes - of course I have no intention of saying anything to him unless he
sees a change and if so then you will all hear about it that is for sure
Thanks to all who have contributed to this cause !
Let me take this opportunity of wishing all members of all lists the very
warmest of Christ masses that is in cheer not global warming heat !  
smileMay we all continue to share and grow from strength to strength
over the coming years and may 2007 be a wonderful one for us all
Thanks again for all the input from everyone over this past year you are
all angels as far as this list is concerned - what happens outside of
this I am not and have no wish to be any wiser :)   may God Bless you
All.
Warmest regards
Sandee
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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Langsley]

On Monday 18 December 2006 11:34, Dee wrote:
> Hi Langsley I've been following this thread with interest but am a bit
> confused (again? you will say) I have read the articles on both brands and
> I ve understood that the Mesosilver is a true colloid.  Is Sovereign Silver
> the same as you all produce yourselves, i.e. EIS or ionic silver?  And
> although the man who promotes Mesosilver doesn't say that the ionic type is
> bad' (he does say it has anti-microbial properties too) why does he
> advocate the colloidal type as if the ionic type is not as good?  Dee and
> Murphy

Hi Dee.

I'll try to address your questions one at a time.

You said
>I have read the articles on both brands and
> I ve understood that the Mesosilver is a true colloid.  Is Sovereign Silver
> the same as you all produce yourselves, i.e. EIS or ionic silver?

Basically that is true. Sovereign Silver is a highly ionic product produced 
via electrolysis, That is, it is electrically isolated silver (EIS). There 
are some minor variations between it and our homemade EIS but they are truly 
meaningless in terms of our discussion. Both the Sovereign Silver and our 
home made EIS has a small particulate portion, usually 15% or lessor 
particulate or colloidal. But still enough to make a difference.

You then said:
>And  although the man who promotes Mesosilver doesn't say that the ionic type 
>is bad' (he does say it has anti-microbial properties too) why does he
> advocate the colloidal type as if the ionic type is not as good?

The first most obvious reason that both men are touting their products as 
better is because they are their products and they want to sell them. Also 
much of the research quoted on Franks site is based on some very old studies 
in which I believe frank took part. I have been informed in several places 
that this research is flawed because the silver product they was using was in 
fact electrically isolated silver and therefore highly ionic. Doing a little 
further research on my own it does appear that the only silver solutions used 
in those studies were some form of EIS and therefore highly ionic not highly 
colloidal as put forth in the research. Frank's own product is made by a 
process developed by him using an undisclosed method of production long after 
that previous research was done.

I Strongly agree with Mike when he says "So, know how it's made, or make it 
yourself."  If you don't know how it is made you can't possibly know just 
what it is you are taking. I/we all know that EIS works and works well. I 
cannot see paying exorbitant prices for some product about which we know 
little more than that it is some form of colloidal silver produced by some 
undisclosed proprietary method When we can make our own very effective EIS 
for less than a dollar a gallon. 

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Re: CS>Dental revision update...

[M. G. Devour]

> Mike can I ask what you are taing for the electrolytes?...thanks debbie

Yes, it's one of the Huggins group's Matrix products, just like all the 
vitamins and minerals I'm using to adjust my blood chemistry right now. 
The product is "Jogger Juice." It comes in 8 ounce bottles as a 
concentrate. You put a tablespoon in 2 to 4 ounces of water and drink 
it as needed. It contains a number of forms of the several minerals 
needed, and is lightly sweetened with pure fructose.

I don't know if it's the perfect product, but it works *and* I'm 
confident there are no artificial colors or flavors, or other screwball 
additives as you'd likely find in a grocery store "sports drink."

Start at: http://hugginsappliedhealing.com/supplements.html

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>/ GARLIC DEBBIE

[Vwolf21]

In a message dated 12/18/2006 7:35:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
devorah...@yahoo.com writes:
I had great luck with garlic to deal with my BP.capsules...debbie
  Hi Debbie...
  I take two cloves of fresh organic garlic and crush it...add a little 
o.oil..spread on a multigrain piece of toast..take this daily.

What are your thoughts on raw garlic versus capsules?

By now...I have been doing this for quite a while now...I would have 
thought I would see some improvement in the B.P.  but I haven't.
Wondering if maybe I am not getting enough and capsules might be a better way 
to go. V.

RE: CS>Re: Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[reglee]

Gday from the west,
I find this site explained in another way of ionic silver vs cs. 
http://www.hydrosan.com.au/moreinfoionic.htm

Reginald WA

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From: marmar...@bellsouth.net [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 8:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles


> From: sol 

>   I guess I missed the meaning of your post. Sounded like you had only 
> read the Silver Colloids info to me.
> Sorry. Perhaps I still miss your meaning.  The part of the SS site that 
> I wanted to point out is that there is at least one place that says that 
> ionic is better,

  See -- I couldn't find anything anywhere on the Sovreign Silver site
that referred to ionic silver AT ALL -- much less that it was better.  The
other site discussed ions and particles and tried to convince you that ions
were bad (or at least useless) and particles were good.  The SS site didn't
discuss the issue at all.  I thought perhaps I was overlooking one of their
links.  That was the meaning of my post to you.  MA  


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Re: CS>

[Deborah Gerard]

I had great luck with garlic to deal with my BP.capsules...debbie

vwol...@aol.com wrote:   Hi Sharon
 Thanks for the information. 
 I have a bunch of Herbal Books but have no inclination to do any reading 
lately.
 So I will now get to it and do some reading on this spice.
 I will also do some research on the Eyebright.
 While the books have some information...I really prefer learning about 
real cases from real people and how they have overcome their health 
problems...thats why I find groups like this one so helpful.
   
 Caught a good program on PBS the other day...about a program called 
H.O.P.E.
 I found myself at a site that carries the very products outlined on the 
program.
 If I take my physical problems down to the bare bones and try and 
determine what is the
 baseline cause of this high blood pressure I am trying to deal with... I 
think that I can
 pinpoint the problems.
 
 I am thinking of trying the products outlined in this program but I would 
like to hear from others who may have tried it firsthave you ever heard of 
it?
   
 Way back in May of this year I finally caved and accepted meds for the 
high blood pressure...nothing but problems since and the kicker is ...the 
pressure still isn't going down.
 So I am searching for natural ways of healing the system...juicing is 
going to be one of them and using some herbs and spices will also be included 
in my diet.
   
 I like the sound of the Tumeric...I will pick some up next time I am at 
the Health Food Store...and begin to encorporate it into my food.
   
   Thanks again for being so willing to share information...appreciated it... V.
  
  From: 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:54 PM

> So...it is spelled Curcumin...is this the same as Cumin...the spice one 
> uses
> in Chili Dishes?  V

Hi V,

You've probably seen other posts by now that tell you that Circumin is one 
of the ingredients found in the spice called Turmeric. Many supplement 
manufacturers have extracted the pure circumin and encapsulated it for those 
wishing a stronger dose. Since I can't stand the taste of turmeric, that's 
how I take my circumin. Vitamin Research Products is one of many who produce 
these capsules.


> Anyway, learning from Chuck,
> I warm up an oz or 2 of CS, open an eyebright cap ***(Eyebright as in the
> Herb?) into it, making a "tea",
> stir in the MSM,***(do you think this would work without the MSM?) let it
> steep, then strain.
> Haven't tried putting in any DMSO, but that'll be next

I use Dr John Christopher's formula, now made by Nature's Way and it is an 
herbal blend called Eyebright. The eyebright herb is the dominant one in the 
formula.
The MSM is a good carrier for all the other ingredients, seems to 
"potentiate" the formula a bit.


> Never thought about using it regularly for the floater/s I now have since
> the vitreous in my right eye starting detaching last year. That was a fun
> day that started with flashing lights and ended with the fat black 
> floater;
> that's when I ended up in the ER and then an eye Dr's office.

>  Had the exact same experience...did this really clear up the 
> floaters???
>   Do you still have the lights ?

There is still occasional evidence of the floater, very small. I think it 
has parked itself in the outer corner of the eye, only to show up when I 
look at strong light or move my head in some way.
The lights, thank God, have not shown up again. If they do, I'll have a 
genuine panic attack!

I make sure to take Vit C every day, accompanied by a Bilberry capsule, and 
also pycnogenol, as that is said to be helpful with detaching eye parts.
I should probably add lutein, but have not gotten around to it. There are 
good eye supplements on the market that have that, along with other 
ingredients all in one capsule. One, called Occudyne, springs to mind.

HTH,
Sharon/starshar 
  


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Re: CS>Dental revision update...

[Deborah Gerard]

Mike can I ask what you are taing for the electrolytes?...thanks debbie

"M. G. Devour"  wrote:  Dear Sol,

You write:
> So Mike,
> Do you notice any health improvement from having your amalgam 
> fillings replaced? Any negative effects? What did you do for detox? I'm
> believe you have written about it all before, but with no archives,
> would you repeat please? I'm really curious to know how you are feeling
> now, 6 months after the replacements. thanks, sol

Thanks for asking, ma'am. I suppose it *is* time for an update...

Improvements: For a while in late summer during a 2 week heat wave we 
had here, I ended up doing a bunch of projects outside and sweating up 
a storm every day and drinking a lot of electrolyte replacement stuff. 
I felt better than I have in a number of years! Not only did I not tire 
so I'm trying to get a sauna built so I can add that to my program, and do 
some more exercise. I'm pushing myself hard to get the baths in on 
schedule
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CS>

[Vwolf21]

   Hi Sharon
   Thanks for the information. 
   I have a bunch of Herbal Books but have no inclination to do any reading 
lately.
   So I will now get to it and do some reading on this spice.
   I will also do some research on the Eyebright.
   While the books have some information...I really prefer learning about 
real cases from real people and how they have overcome their health 
problems...thats why I find groups like this one so helpful.

   Caught a good program on PBS the other day...about a program called 
H.O.P.E.
   I found myself at a site that carries the very products outlined on the 
program.
   If I take my physical problems down to the bare bones and try and 
determine what is the
   baseline cause of this high blood pressure I am trying to deal with... I 
think that I can
   pinpoint the problems.
   
   I am thinking of trying the products outlined in this program but I would 
like to hear from others who may have tried it firsthave you ever heard of 
it?

   Way back in May of this year I finally caved and accepted meds for the 
high blood pressure...nothing but problems since and the kicker is ...the 
pressure still isn't going down.
   So I am searching for natural ways of healing the system...juicing is 
going to be one of them and using some herbs and spices will also be included 
in 
my diet.

   I like the sound of the Tumeric...I will pick some up next time I am at 
the Health Food Store...and begin to encorporate it into my food.

 Thanks again for being so willing to share information...appreciated it... V.
 
From: 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:54 PM

> So...it is spelled Curcumin...is this the same as Cumin...the spice one 
> uses
> in Chili Dishes?  V

Hi V,

You've probably seen other posts by now that tell you that Circumin is one 
of the ingredients found in the spice called Turmeric. Many supplement 
manufacturers have extracted the pure circumin and encapsulated it for those 
wishing a stronger dose. Since I can't stand the taste of turmeric, that's 
how I take my circumin. Vitamin Research Products is one of many who produce 
these capsules.


> Anyway, learning from Chuck,
> I warm up an oz or 2 of CS, open an eyebright cap ***(Eyebright as in the
> Herb?) into it, making a "tea",
> stir in the MSM,***(do you think this would work without the MSM?) let it
> steep, then strain.
> Haven't tried putting in any DMSO, but that'll be next

I use Dr John Christopher's formula, now made by Nature's Way and it is an 
herbal blend called Eyebright. The eyebright herb is the dominant one in the 
formula.
The MSM is a good carrier for all the other ingredients, seems to 
"potentiate" the formula a bit.


> Never thought about using it regularly for the floater/s I now have since
> the vitreous in my right eye starting detaching last year. That was a fun
> day that started with flashing lights and ended with the fat black 
> floater;
> that's when I ended up in the ER and then an eye Dr's office.

>  Had the exact same experience...did this really clear up the 
> floaters???
>   Do you still have the lights ?

There is still occasional evidence of the floater, very small. I think it 
has parked itself in the outer corner of the eye, only to show up when I 
look at strong light or move my head in some way.
The lights, thank God, have not shown up again. If they do, I'll have a 
genuine panic attack!

I make sure to take Vit C every day, accompanied by a Bilberry capsule, and 
also pycnogenol, as that is said to be helpful with detaching eye parts.
I should probably add lutein, but have not gotten around to it. There are 
good eye supplements on the market that have that, along with other 
ingredients all in one capsule. One, called Occudyne, springs to mind.

HTH,
Sharon/starshar 

Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Deborah Gerard]

Boy I had mine taken our about four years ago and I was one sick puppy...not 
anymore ,work constantly at improving my health...I am fifty five and the only 
maintenance drug I am on is for thyoid so I think compared to the countless 
people I admit into nursing homes daily that are ten or twenty years younger 
than me I am doing pretty darn good without them toxic fillings...debbie

sol  wrote:  So Mike,
Do you notice any health improvement from having your amalgam 
fillings replaced? Any negative effects? What did you do for detox? I'm 
believe you have written about it all before, but with no archives, 
would you repeat please? I'm really curious to know how you are feeling 
now, 6 months after the replacements.
thanks,
sol

M. G. Devour wrote:

>Dear Dee,
>
>We've heard from some folks that the silver in our CS can plate out on 
>mercury fillings and seemingly helps to "neutralize" the surface 
>somewhat. That said, I don't personally trust the idea enough to have 
>left my many fillings in. They were replaced this June.
>
>Amalgams, since the 1970's, are roughly 30% copper, about 10-15% 
>silver, a few percent of things under 1% each, and the balance mercury. 
>So your "silver" fillings are at least 50% mercury... to start with. By 
>the time they're in your mouth a few years the mercury content goes 
>down by quite a lot. The rest is in your body now. 
>
>Having a dental revision done is a big step. It costs money. You need 
>to study up a *lot* on the subject. Detox afterward is as or more 
>important than the revision itself. It all takes time.
>
>Read everything that applies to you at www.drhuggins.com including some 
>of his books and pamphlets. If anyone proposes to do less than the 
>total Huggins protocol for you, at least you should know all that goes 
>into it and why before you make a decision.
>
>Sadly, I don't think there a safe alternative to getting the darned 
>things out, except for never having them put in in the first place!
>
>Be well,
>
>Mike D. 
>
> 
>


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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Deborah Gerard]

Good for you  Tel debbie

Tel Tofflemire  wrote:  
Hi Mike, and all.
I had my 3 remaining Mercury/Amelgum fillings out Sept.  2006 in Mexico, and 
replaced with Porcilin.
Seems like my tasting is better?  I have done a herbal detox, and I do a Foot 
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CS>Re: Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[marmar845]

> From: sol 

>   I guess I missed the meaning of your post. Sounded like you had only 
> read the Silver Colloids info to me.
> Sorry. Perhaps I still miss your meaning.  The part of the SS site that 
> I wanted to point out is that there is at least one place that says that 
> ionic is better,

  See -- I couldn't find anything anywhere on the Sovreign Silver site that 
referred to ionic silver AT ALL -- much less that it was better.  The other 
site discussed ions and particles and tried to convince you that ions were bad 
(or at least useless) and particles were good.  The SS site didn't discuss the 
issue at all.  I thought perhaps I was overlooking one of their links.  That 
was the meaning of my post to you.  MA  


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Re: CS>comparing

[sol]

I just checked the prices at Mesosilver and for sure I could not afford 
to use their product. Unless it was life or death, and then it would be 
cheaper to just die, I think. LOL.

sol

Ross Craig wrote:

my shepherd and I use 8 or 10 oz a day. I couldn't afford that if I 
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CS>Dental revision update...

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Sol,

You write:
> So Mike,
> Do you notice any health improvement from having your amalgam 
> fillings replaced? Any negative effects? What did you do for detox? I'm
> believe you have written about it all before, but with no archives,
> would you repeat please? I'm really curious to know how you are feeling
> now, 6 months after the replacements. thanks, sol

Thanks for asking, ma'am. I suppose it *is* time for an update...

Improvements: For a while in late summer during a 2 week heat wave we 
had here, I ended up doing a bunch of projects outside and sweating up 
a storm every day and drinking a lot of electrolyte replacement stuff. 
I felt better than I have in a number of years! Not only did I not tire 
so quickly I actually felt motivated and got a lot done.

I've been on Huggins' recommended supplements based on my blood 
chemistry, and pretty much all of the numbers moved in the right 
direction by my 3 month followup. It's time to do the next round of 
blood work now, along with another hair analysis.

Negatives: Through September and October I'm afraid I got behind the 
curve with my detox regemin and since then I've been struggling to get 
back to where I should be. I'm not feeling too well right now.

Detox: The sum total of my long term detox protocol is twice weekly hot 
baths in epsom salts; maybe twice a month megadoses of lipospheric 
vitamin C which emulates a vitamin C IV; and a C-flush (bowel) every 
few months.

I'm trying to get a sauna built so I can add that to my program, and do 
some more exercise. I'm pushing myself hard to get the baths in on 
schedule, but I still tend to stretch the time between them sometimes.

I can say, however, that my son's new Nintendo Wii is good for a modest 
workout for the sedentary! 

Bottom line: I've no doubt the revision procedure stopped my intake of 
new mercury because I have definitely begun dumping it at a furious 
rate. But once the fillings are out you *have* to keep up with your 
detox! Or else!

Be well,

Mike D.
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Re: CS>comparing

[Arnold Beland]

Mike,

Petronius
"Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur."

Which is just something we must learn to live with.

Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com
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Subject: Re: CS>comparing



Sandy writes:

From what I gathered, the meso is
smaller than Ionic, but even Marshall's paper explains/agrees that the
color is due to larger particle size..


I don't know the verbiage they used since I haven't read either site in
a while, but the "particles" can't *be* smaller than ionic and still be
silver. Silver atoms dissolved in water is as small a particle as you
can get (and thoroughly invisible). So you may have mis-read or been
misled by the way it was presented. It's easy to do that! 

The "Mine's best!" "Mine's better!" debates mostly boil down to
marketing hype. Most of the time, both products work. Such is the case
with "particles" versus "ions." Either can be made well and work well
and be safe. Both can be made badly, grossly abused, and result in
complications (argyria).

So, know how it's made, or make it yourself. Avoid additives like salt
or protein, and silver compounds. Keep the concentration reasonable,
and, if a commercial product, follow the directions.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>comparing

[M. G. Devour]

Sandy writes:
> From what I gathered, the meso is
> smaller than Ionic, but even Marshall's paper explains/agrees that the
> color is due to larger particle size..  

I don't know the verbiage they used since I haven't read either site in 
a while, but the "particles" can't *be* smaller than ionic and still be 
silver. Silver atoms dissolved in water is as small a particle as you 
can get (and thoroughly invisible). So you may have mis-read or been 
misled by the way it was presented. It's easy to do that! 

The "Mine's best!" "Mine's better!" debates mostly boil down to 
marketing hype. Most of the time, both products work. Such is the case 
with "particles" versus "ions." Either can be made well and work well 
and be safe. Both can be made badly, grossly abused, and result in 
complications (argyria).

So, know how it's made, or make it yourself. Avoid additives like salt 
or protein, and silver compounds. Keep the concentration reasonable, 
and, if a commercial product, follow the directions.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>Comparing silver..

[Craig Chamberlin]

HI Sol,

And most other commecial CS sites are as bad, or worse. Using just 
such bait and switch language to confuse and convince.  It does make 
it hard for the average person without a chemistry background of any 
kind to determine what is a real solid piece of fact, and what is just 
smoke and mirrors. As I recall, I have difficulty with the silver 
colloids site also because I don't  have enough basic knowledge to 
pinpoint why the info there is reliable and the SS site info is not. 
Without your explanations, I would not know, for one example, that 
their photos don't actually show what is claimed. If not for you, I'd 
have believed, because of my ignorance.


I for one thank you for your clear contributions to this debate. But I 
would be interested to know if you yourself have or would consider 
purchasing/using Mesosilver, and if you have or would, what did/would 
you use it for that is diffferent from how you use your own EIS? 
Perhaps I'm reading into what you have written, but I'm left with the 
implication that Mesosilver is the CS product of choice for those 
wanting to use commercial CS? Or am I now reading into what you wrote 
something you did not actually intend?

thanks,


Ode hasn't yet answered your question, so I will about the use of 
MesoSilver.  I make my own EIS with a silver puppy, but I buy MesoSilver 
by the gallon.  My wife hates the taste of EIS, so she gets MesoSilver, 
just less of it.  Seems that they both work.  The taste of Meso is so 
much less metallic...BUT it is MUCH more expensive.


HTH,

Craig


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Re: CS>comparing

[Ross Craig]

Hi Sandy,

Gotta jump in here with something to go along with you research.

We have nothing against Meso, except that you have to buy it, and if meso is no 
better at doing what we expect and know that EIS/CS will do, why would one buy 
it. 

There's no definitive study to say which is more effective, that I know of. 

Both are effective.  Tht the only unanswered question we have among the minds 
here is how LITTLE is just as useful as massive dosages. I don't know what Meso 
costs, but that link you had in canada had a  best price $99. for 16 bottles of 
16 ounces. One and a half gallons. For two gallons at that price you could have 
a system built by one of the suppliers here who are not allowed or inclined to 
advertise.   Or you can make it yourself for little money, the items are easy 
to get and put together. Cute little dogs you have, very cute, but my shepherd 
and I use 8 or 10 oz a day. I couldn't afford that if I had to buy it.  .

Ross
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  Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:36 PM
  Subject: CS>comparing


  I have read both that were proposed..   From that info I gleaned that the 
meso was better  - than the regular Ionic, which the Sovereign, and many of the 
others that I have looked into, including ASAP..
  It is very hard to compare "apples to apples" - which, as stated, is on 
purpose, depending on who is selling what..
  From what I gathered, the meso is smaller than Ionic, but even Marshall's 
paper explains/agrees that the color is due to larger particle size..So is 
it possible for someone to explain WHY the meso has such a dark color...  It 
seems contradictorily to what  they are stating about their product..  Granted, 
I am no chemisty major..  
  Sovereign is out of range for an ionic solution  $$ wise.  Would rather 
consider the ASAP dicussed earlier - or have found www.Raphalabs.com
  searching for  colloidal sciences labs..  They are also a regular 20 ppm 
ionic from Canada..
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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Tel Tofflemire]

Hi Mike, and all.
I had my 3 remaining Mercury/Amelgum fillings out Sept.  2006 in Mexico, and 
replaced with Porcilin.
Seems like my tasting is better?  I have done a herbal detox, and I do a Foot 
Spa Detox every other week,  I am still getting toxins out in the foot spa.



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CS>comparing

[Sandy Files]

I have read both that were proposed..   From that info I gleaned that the meso 
was better  - than the regular Ionic, which the Sovereign, and many of the 
others that I have looked into, including ASAP..
It is very hard to compare "apples to apples" - which, as stated, is on 
purpose, depending on who is selling what..
From what I gathered, the meso is smaller than Ionic, but even Marshall's paper 
explains/agrees that the color is due to larger particle size..So is it 
possible for someone to explain WHY the meso has such a dark color...  It seems 
contradictorily to what  they are stating about their product..  Granted, I am 
no chemisty major..  
Sovereign is out of range for an ionic solution  $$ wise.  Would rather 
consider the ASAP dicussed earlier - or have found www.Raphalabs.com
searching for  colloidal sciences labs..  They are also a regular 20 ppm ionic 
from Canada..
sandysba...@yahoo.com 
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Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Marshall Dudley]

I think it probably could.  Silver nitrate, which is a form of ionic 
silver without any colloidal component I believe can.  But none of us 
take just ionic silver (except for those who take wateroz, which has 
been shown to cause argyria), so it should not be a problem.


Marshall

Dee wrote:
I thought ionic at 10ppm could *not* cause argyria.  Dee and Murphy 
 
/---Original Message---/
 
/*From:*/ Marshall Dudley 

/*Date:*/ 18/12/2006 17:29:45
/*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com 
/*Subject:*/ Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles
 
There are multiple aspects to the healing power of silver.  The

colloidal kills pathogens, the ionic causes injured cells to revert back
to steam cells so things can heal properly and without scaring.  Having
both is best.  Also ionic alone can cause argyria, but the colloidal
component acts as a prophylactic for argyria, so once again it is best
to take both together at the same time.  Thus EIS is perfect for many
things.
 
Marshall
 









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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[GMetropulo]

It was said in an earlier post that ingesting silver with amalgam fillings 
causes a battery effect in the mouth. Now we read it neutralizes the amalgam. 
Please explain.

Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[sol]

So Mike,
   Do you notice any health improvement from having your amalgam 
fillings replaced? Any negative effects? What did you do for detox? I'm 
believe you have written about it all before, but with no archives, 
would you repeat please? I'm really curious to know how you are feeling 
now, 6 months after the replacements.

thanks,
sol

M. G. Devour wrote:


Dear Dee,

We've heard from some folks that the silver in our CS can plate out on 
mercury fillings and seemingly helps to "neutralize" the surface 
somewhat. That said, I don't personally trust the idea enough to have 
left my many fillings in. They were replaced this June.


Amalgams, since the 1970's, are roughly 30% copper, about 10-15% 
silver, a few percent of things under 1% each, and the balance mercury. 
So your "silver" fillings are at least 50% mercury... to start with. By 
the time they're in your mouth a few years the mercury content goes 
down by quite a lot. The rest is in your body now. 


Having a dental revision done is a big step. It costs money. You need 
to study up a *lot* on the subject. Detox afterward is as or more 
important than the revision itself. It all takes time.


Read everything that applies to you at www.drhuggins.com including some 
of his books and pamphlets. If anyone proposes to do less than the 
total Huggins protocol for you, at least you should know all that goes 
into it and why before you make a decision.


Sadly, I don't think there a safe alternative to getting the darned 
things out, except for never having them put in in the first place!


Be well,

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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

[cking001]

Hi Mike,
I'm actually becoming a little embarrassed at appearing to be the
definitive guru on eye care in this thread. It's all been
experimental. But I'm satisfied with the final formula.
Yearly ophthalmologist exams verify no deterioration. The Dr. seems
puzzled.

As far as the DMSO is concerned, I've lurked in Garnet's DMSO list
long enough to be aware that within reason, you can add it's benefits
to almost anything to increase effectiveness of your concoction.

I wouldn't hesitate to take it (DMSO) internally if I had a reason.
I have, just to taste it. Tastes bad enough to build character, so it
must be good for you...

Fairly highly diluted proves to be as effective as more concentrated.
High concentrated can be drying (strong affinity for water) as well as
de fatting.
I find with concentrated, that repeated applications to the skin
results in itchy irritation. Not harmful but uncomfortable. All this
can be avoided by diluting to say, 10-30%.
Your observation that 99% is marketed cut to 70% is because that 70%
has been found to be a comfortable  maximum strength dilution for use
on skin and more is not more effective.
Your mileage may vary...

On a tangential thought, the eye is said to be a major entry point for
cold and flu infections. Using this formula daily, with the properties
of almost all of it's ingredients, should be a great prophylactic
against these infections.
Of course the same is said of the ear, and hydrogen peroxide in the
ear has proven to me, to work to banish colds and flu! But that's
another thread...

The proportional amounts of anything in the mix is variable to the
experimenters desires. Personally, I may increase the Christophers
formula as my tolerance to the slight stinging increases (it passes
within seconds)

The tsp MSM in 1 oz is pretty near a saturated solution.
Yes that's what was effective for floaters by itself. Increase the
permeability of the eye to let the junk drain was the thinking.

I'm theorizing that the msm and dmso could soften the eyeball (improve
flexibility) to the point that close up reading that necessitates
bifocals could be relieved.
It's all "seat of the pants". Take what you wish.

Chuck
Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as
kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic
pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
 - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989.

On 12/18/2006 6:58:34 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
>Dear Chuck,
>
>Thanks for the reply!
>
>Okay, so we're looking like this:
>
>1 oz CS
>1 tsp MSM powder
>15 drops Dr. Christopher's
>Eyebright Formula Tincture
>"A couple dropperfulls" of 99% DMSO
>
>So if I've got you right, the DMSO you are adding "a couple 
>dropperfulls" of is 99%. So 2-3 milliliters of 99% pure, undiluted DMSO 
>in an ounce of fluid, about 28 milliliters, would be only about 10% 
>DMSO, by volume, which I certainly would think is reasonable.
>
>Around here the health food store sells the stuff in 70% and, I think, 
>about 50% dilutions. It's a bit misleading, though, because they also 
>state the purity in big letters at 99%, but that's before they dilute 
>it with the water. So it's 99% DMSO, 70% in water!! 
>
>> Let me say that msm and cs mix would take care of MY HUGE FLOATERS by
>> itself. The other stuff was just inspired planning for eye health. 
>
>Was that what you started out with?
>
>> Yeah up to 30% dmso would be good. More is not better with dmso, nor
>> necessary. It won't hurt, but dmso can be drying at higher
>> concentrations (irritating)at least it is on skin. 
>
>If you're saying you think it could be as much as 30% without problem, 
>I don't know that it's an issue. I don't think I'm worried about 10% 
>concentration of DMSO being too little!
>
>> I use the formula once a day, sometimes twice if I remember. 
>> I'd do more if I had a reason.
>> I make this up about twice a year.
>> 
>> Hmmm... if you market this, I want a cut!
>
>No plans to market, Chuck! I just want to improve our eye health here, 
>*before* we end up with serious problems.


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Re: CS>Comparing silver..

[Sam L.]

The real facts on colloidal silver
*by Marshall Dudley with special thanks to Mike Devour, Brooks Bradley,
Frank Key, Ode Coyote, Trem, Richard Harris, Rowena Evans [others to be
added]

http://www.silver-lightning.com/theory.html

or
**Colloidal Silver Research Paper*
*The Chemical and Physical Basis of the Therapeutic value of colloidal forms
of Silver
*
*John Marshall Dudley

http://www.silver-lightning.com/research.html
**

*
On 12/18/06, sol  wrote:


Please do go and read the Sovereign site as well. Don't settle for half
the story, or half the opinions.
By making one's own EIS one gets a product with both ions and particles
(often said to "average" 85% ionic and 15% particulate). I think having
both is best, and my homemade product has been effective for me. I do
sometimes make a higher ppm EIS, which is probably much higher in
particles, I like that for certain topical uses, but for uses where
ingested EIS is what I want, I use my regular EIS, made with either my
SG-6 or my Silverpuppy magnetic stir generators (approx 12 to 15 ppm,
water clear mostly--depends on the DW).
Please check out Marshall's informative paper on EIS also. I don't have
the link to hand, but someone here surely does.
sol

Re: CS>Comparing silver..

[sol]

Ode Coyote wrote:

 Quinto just loves calling apples and oranges grape fruit with the 
proof of raisins in a terms mixer.


And most other commecial CS sites are as bad, or worse. Using just such 
bait and switch language to confuse and convince.  It does make it hard 
for the average person without a chemistry background of any kind to 
determine what is a real solid piece of fact, and what is just smoke and 
mirrors. As I recall, I have difficulty with the silver colloids site 
also because I don't  have enough basic knowledge to pinpoint why the 
info there is reliable and the SS site info is not. Without your 
explanations, I would not know, for one example, that their photos don't 
actually show what is claimed. If not for you, I'd have believed, 
because of my ignorance.


I for one thank you for your clear contributions to this debate. But I 
would be interested to know if you yourself have or would consider 
purchasing/using Mesosilver, and if you have or would, what did/would 
you use it for that is diffferent from how you use your own EIS? Perhaps 
I'm reading into what you have written, but I'm left with the 
implication that Mesosilver is the CS product of choice for those 
wanting to use commercial CS? Or am I now reading into what you wrote 
something you did not actually intend?

thanks,
sol


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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Dee]

I wish I could do that Mike, but I don't think it is an option, so I am
happy really that the silver won't make the fillings dissolve even faster,
as this is what I had read somewhere.  Many thanks for your reply and the
link. Regards, Dee 
 
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From: M. G. Devour
Date: 18/12/2006 16:50:42
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings
 
Dear Dee,
 
We've heard from some folks that the silver in our CS can plate out on
mercury fillings and seemingly helps to "neutralize" the surface
somewhat. That said, I don't personally trust the idea enough to have
left my many fillings in. They were replaced this June.
 
Amalgams, since the 1970's, are roughly 30% copper, about 10-15%
silver, a few percent of things under 1% each, and the balance mercury.
So your "silver" fillings are at least 50% mercury... to start with. By
the time they're in your mouth a few years the mercury content goes
down by quite a lot. The rest is in your body now. 
 
Having a dental revision done is a big step. It costs money. You need
to study up a *lot* on the subject. Detox afterward is as or more
important than the revision itself. It all takes time.
 
Read everything that applies to you at www.drhuggins.com including some
of his books and pamphlets. If anyone proposes to do less than the
total Huggins protocol for you, at least you should know all that goes
into it and why before you make a decision.
 
Sadly, I don't think there a safe alternative to getting the darned
things out, except for never having them put in in the first place!
 
Be well,
 
Mike D.
 

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[sol]

 I guess I missed the meaning of your post. Sounded like you had only 
read the Silver Colloids info to me.
Sorry. Perhaps I still miss your meaning.  The part of the SS site that 
I wanted to point out is that there is at least one place that says that 
ionic is better, though they may not state that particles are not 
effective (I havent' read the stie for a long time) they obviously 
believe ionic is better (well each site is selling their own product). I 
haven't read the silver colloids site for a long time, either, but many 
people who do read it come away with the belief that ionic silver is 
uselessso does the site specifically state that? I can't remember.
However, I have now read Ode's take on both sites, and am not sure 
where that leaves us on the ionic/vs particulate which is better 
question except where he says:



Both ions and metallic nano particles will kill germs, no debate.
The debate is about which does a better job and used where.
Others [who don't have a sales agenda ] say they work together. 


 I do think they work together, and I make my own EIS, so I get both, 
so the debate doesn't really interest me except as a mind excercise. In 
any case if both kill "germs" maybe it doesn't make any serious 
difference which one we use, or if we use a combined product such as 
homemade EIS. I guess we all have to believe what we feel most 
comfortable with---which is a way to say, I don't know if one position 
is really able to be substantiated with real science, as a matter of 
absolute science fact, rather than for the purpose of selling a product. 
There would have to be double blind controlled studies of the use of 
each for various conditions, and those kind of studies are notoriously 
skewable, viz the number of lethal meds that get through the FDA 
approval process. I doubt if any independent organization has the funds 
or interest to do such studies, and studies funded by the mfr are the 
least likely to be reliable, imho. The closest thing we have are the 
many smaller but well done studies by Brooks Bradley and his group. He 
always says exactly how they proceeded.
 I do believe Frank Key is a very reputable person, and I do trust the 
analyses of various brands of silver products he has posted at his site, 
and have referred people there to check if their favorite brand of 
commercial "CS" is what they think it is. However, I can't seem to 
translate that respect into believing mesosilver is better than my 
homemade EIS, perhaps because I don't want to believe I have to spend 
that kind of $$ to have and use "CS" because I'd be priced right out of 
"CS" use entirely if I had to buy either the Mesosilver or the SS, or 
any other commercial "CS". 
  Some people do swear by either mesosilver or SS though, and 
definitely feel they are better than homemade EIS. And with Mesosilver I 
do have some personal concerns because as Ode also points out, no matter 
how honest and reputable Frank Key is, or how much I trust the test 
results on his site, I also (as Ode stated) cannot find anywhere that 
says exactly what mesosilver is, or how it is made. One reason I prefer 
to make my own EIS is that I know exactly how it is made and what goes 
into it. (Well insofar as I can, I do believe there is something in the 
tap water here that does not distill out entirely but cannot find out 
what it is, the water dept info I do not entirely trust as if I believed 
their test reports on the local water, there should be nothing).


sol

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:


 Sol -- didn't you read my post to you?  I did go to the Natural 
Immunogenics site.  I went to both sites that you suggested.  Frank Key's site 
made the argument against ionic silver.  The Sovereign Silver site did not 
address the issue at all, that I could find.  Was I missing something there?  MA

 




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Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Dee]

I thought ionic at 10ppm could *not* cause argyria.  Dee and Murphy 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: 18/12/2006 17:29:45
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles
 
There are multiple aspects to the healing power of silver.  The
colloidal kills pathogens, the ionic causes injured cells to revert back
to steam cells so things can heal properly and without scaring.  Having
both is best.  Also ionic alone can cause argyria, but the colloidal
component acts as a prophylactic for argyria, so once again it is best
to take both together at the same time.  Thus EIS is perfect for many
things.
 
Marshall
 

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Dee]

Hi Langsley I've been following this thread with interest but am a bit
confused (again? you will say) I have read the articles on both brands and I
ve understood that the Mesosilver is a true colloid.  Is Sovereign Silver
the same as you all produce yourselves, i.e. EIS or ionic silver?  And
although the man who promotes Mesosilver doesn't say that the ionic type is 
bad' (he does say it has anti-microbial properties too) why does he advocate
the colloidal type as if the ionic type is not as good?  Dee and Murphy 
 
---Original Message---
 
Hi MA
 
Obviously I'm not sol, but I've been involved in this discussion many times
on
several lists. I believe you will find the information you are looking for
here:
http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2001-09-17.php
 
and here
http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2004-12-22.php
If you have trouble with either of these links just go to
http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/
and scroll to the bottom of the page and click on Library.
 
IHTH.
 
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Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Marshall Dudley]

There are multiple aspects to the healing power of silver.  The 
colloidal kills pathogens, the ionic causes injured cells to revert back 
to steam cells so things can heal properly and without scaring.  Having 
both is best.  Also ionic alone can cause argyria, but the colloidal 
component acts as a prophylactic for argyria, so once again it is best 
to take both together at the same time.  Thus EIS is perfect for many 
things.


Marshall

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

A discussion has arisen on my equine list regarding ionic silver and silver 
particles.  I know that this has been addressed on this list in the past, and 
my memory tells me that it was agreed that home-made CS is composed of both, 
and this is a good thing.  I submit the following link which seems to disagree. 
 I hope that someone (or several someones) will check this out and tell me what 
you think.  Thanks.  MA
 
  http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html



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Re: CS>Comparing silver..

[sol]

Please do go and read the Sovereign site as well. Don't settle for half 
the story, or half the opinions.
By making one's own EIS one gets a product with both ions and particles 
(often said to "average" 85% ionic and 15% particulate). I think having 
both is best, and my homemade product has been effective for me. I do 
sometimes make a higher ppm EIS, which is probably much higher in 
particles, I like that for certain topical uses, but for uses where 
ingested EIS is what I want, I use my regular EIS, made with either my 
SG-6 or my Silverpuppy magnetic stir generators (approx 12 to 15 ppm, 
water clear mostly--depends on the DW).
Please check out Marshall's informative paper on EIS also. I don't have 
the link to hand, but someone here surely does.

sol

Sandy Files wrote:

I believe it was Sol who posted the two views = Meso and Sovereign...  
It had been recommended b/4 to look at the Mesosilver site - for their 
comparisons..From that, I have determined that I really didn't 
want the ionic kind.  But the problem I have w/theirs - is the 
color  I can't get past the color problem, I guess because I 
associate that w/the larger particles that you really don't want..
Can anyone elaborate on that for me...
It was also stated that most of you don't really agree with Either 
view..  From what I can figure out, by most of you making it yourself, 
you are getting the ionic kind.. 
I also would like to order the Collodial Copper, which is only at the 
meso site, so it would be helpful (to me) to order from the same 
place.
Thanks Again 
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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Chuck,

Thanks for the reply!

Okay, so we're looking like this:

1 oz CS
1 tsp MSM powder
15 drops Dr. Christopher's
Eyebright Formula Tincture
"A couple dropperfulls" of 99% DMSO

So if I've got you right, the DMSO you are adding "a couple 
dropperfulls" of is 99%. So 2-3 milliliters of 99% pure, undiluted DMSO 
in an ounce of fluid, about 28 milliliters, would be only about 10% 
DMSO, by volume, which I certainly would think is reasonable.

Around here the health food store sells the stuff in 70% and, I think, 
about 50% dilutions. It's a bit misleading, though, because they also 
state the purity in big letters at 99%, but that's before they dilute 
it with the water. So it's 99% DMSO, 70% in water!! 

> Let me say that msm and cs mix would take care of MY HUGE FLOATERS by
> itself. The other stuff was just inspired planning for eye health. 

Was that what you started out with?

> Yeah up to 30% dmso would be good. More is not better with dmso, nor
> necessary. It won't hurt, but dmso can be drying at higher
> concentrations (irritating)at least it is on skin. 

If you're saying you think it could be as much as 30% without problem, 
I don't know that it's an issue. I don't think I'm worried about 10% 
concentration of DMSO being too little!

> I use the formula once a day, sometimes twice if I remember. 
> I'd do more if I had a reason.
> I make this up about twice a year.
> 
> Hmmm... if you market this, I want a cut!

No plans to market, Chuck! I just want to improve our eye health here, 
*before* we end up with serious problems.

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Dee,

We've heard from some folks that the silver in our CS can plate out on 
mercury fillings and seemingly helps to "neutralize" the surface 
somewhat. That said, I don't personally trust the idea enough to have 
left my many fillings in. They were replaced this June.

Amalgams, since the 1970's, are roughly 30% copper, about 10-15% 
silver, a few percent of things under 1% each, and the balance mercury. 
So your "silver" fillings are at least 50% mercury... to start with. By 
the time they're in your mouth a few years the mercury content goes 
down by quite a lot. The rest is in your body now. 

Having a dental revision done is a big step. It costs money. You need 
to study up a *lot* on the subject. Detox afterward is as or more 
important than the revision itself. It all takes time.

Read everything that applies to you at www.drhuggins.com including some 
of his books and pamphlets. If anyone proposes to do less than the 
total Huggins protocol for you, at least you should know all that goes 
into it and why before you make a decision.

Sadly, I don't think there a safe alternative to getting the darned 
things out, except for never having them put in in the first place!

Be well,

Mike D. 

> Thanks for the answer Ode.  Dee and Murphy 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
> From: Ode Coyote
> Date: 12/18/06 13:36:10
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings
> 
> 
>Metal fillings are a silver / tin? / mercury amalgam.
>   It has to be mixed soft enough to press into the hole.
>   The more silver or tin you add, the harder and more stable it becomes.
> Therefore, CS will make a filling harder, more stable and tend to lock
> up the mercury better in the matrix.
> 
> Seems to me that they could place a bit of silver foil over the filling
> just after installing it.  Maybe no one has thought of that?
> 
> ode
> 
> 

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Langsley]

On Monday 18 December 2006 06:44, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>  Sol -- didn't you read my post to you?  I did go to the Natural
> Immunogenics site.  I went to both sites that you suggested.  Frank Key's
> site made the argument against ionic silver.  The Sovereign Silver site did
> not address the issue at all, that I could find.  Was I missing something
> there?  MA
Hi MA

Obviously I'm not sol, but I've been involved in this discussion many times on 
several lists. I believe you will find the information you are looking for 
here:
http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2001-09-17.php 

and here
http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2004-12-22.php 
If you have trouble with either of these links just go to 
http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/
and scroll to the bottom of the page and click on Library.

IHTH. 

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Re: CS>Comparing silver..

[Ode Coyote]

  The mesosilver particle sizes are the real deal as stated.
 What we don't know is exactly what those particles are or how they get there.

 The immunogenics sizes, not. [Wrong tool that measures dried oxidized ion 
artifacts that have nothing to do with what was in the water ]
If, as immunogenics implies, ions ARE particles, the sizes will be even 
smaller than they state and show...too small for that microscope to see? 
[if...it could see anything "in water" and it can't]


 Calling a spade a shovel with a shorter handleThe correct "particle" 
sizes [of what actual particles there are and there aren't many] are posted 
on the mesosilver site and it *is* pretty darned good mostly *ionic* stuff. 
[Just not what immungenics implies it is in their whacky ad copy more 
designed to confuse than inform]


 Quinto just loves calling apples and oranges grape fruit with the proof 
of raisins in a terms mixer.


ode


At 08:47 PM 12/17/2006 -0800, you wrote:

I believe it was Sol who posted the two views = Meso and Sovereign...  It 
had been recommended b/4 to look at the Mesosilver site - for their 
comparisons..From that, I have determined that I really didn't want 
the ionic kind.  But the problem I have w/theirs - is the color  I 
can't get past the color problem, I guess because I associate that w/the 
larger particles that you really don't want..Can anyone elaborate on 
that for me...
It was also stated that most of you don't really agree with Either 
view..  From what I can figure out, by most of you making it yourself, you 
are getting the ionic kind..
I also would like to order the Collodial Copper, which is only at the meso 
site, so it would be helpful (to me) to order from the same place.

Thanks Again
Sandy


sandysba...@yahoo.com
 http://www.mamachi1955.us/sandysbabeschihuahuas/index.htm

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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Dee]

Thanks for the answer Ode.  Dee and Murphy 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 12/18/06 13:36:10
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings
 
 
   Metal fillings are a silver / tin? / mercury amalgam.
  It has to be mixed soft enough to press into the hole.
  The more silver or tin you add, the harder and more stable it becomes.
Therefore, CS will make a filling harder, more stable and tend to lock up
the mercury better in the matrix.
 
Seems to me that they could place a bit of silver foil over the filling
just after installing it.  Maybe no one has thought of that?
 
ode
 
 

Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[Ode Coyote]

At 07:01 PM 12/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:

A discussion has arisen on my equine list regarding ionic silver and 
silver particles.  I know that this has been addressed on this list in the 
past, and my memory tells me that it was agreed that home-made CS is 
composed of both, and this is a good thing.  I submit the following link 
which seems to disagree.  I hope that someone (or several someones) will 
check this out and tell me what you think.  Thanks.  MA


  http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html


Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver 
which would not cause argyria.


Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver (100 ppm and above) 
may cause 
argyria, a 
permanent discoloration of the skin.


**  OK, Just try making 100 PPM "ionic" silver with nothing but water and 
silver.  [Can't do it.]  It goes colloidal after around 20 - 30 PPM

[Once it stabilizes... and you can't stop it from stabilizing ]
The process makes it's own anions.

 You CAN make an 'ionic silver *compound*' up to thousands of PPM  [like 
Silver Citrate ] But Silver Hydroxide and Silver Oxide compounds won't 
dissolve to that concentration and you can't make anything else with only 
water and silver [except metallic silver particles].

 If it's not dissolved, it's not ionic.
If it's not dissolved and it's in the water [vs sinking to the bottom] it's 
colloidal particulate.


You can scavenge the anions as they form with Peroxide and make pure 
metallic particles out of silver ions. [Not sure how that works, but it 
does.]  Keeping them small enough to stay suspended as a colloid...well, I 
dunno how.

 Silver nano powder isn't brown.

 Ode




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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Irritating CS

[Ode Coyote]

Meso-silver sells a "metallic colloid"


Immunogenics sells "EIS" [Ionic silver water ]

Both have their agendas.
 Frank [Meso-silver] is more honest than Steven [ Immunogenics ], but 
there are things he won't say.
Steven says things that aren't entirely true [ not "technically" all not 
true ] and are very misleading.


Meso-silver doesn't say ions are "bad" it says true colloids are better.

Immunogenics claims that ions are particles and uses the wrong tools to 
prove that, and the size of those ions [I mean, uh, particles, er, 
ions...no..particles.  And you can see the silver oxide artifacts right 
there in the photos to prove it...prove what? Ions are oxides? ]


Both ions and metallic nano particles will kill germs, no debate.
The debate is about which does a better job and used where.
Others [who don't have a sales agenda ] say they work together.

Frank has the superior tools and knowledge.
 Despite *not* saying a few things  , he knows his "stuff".[ vs saying 
things that aren't all that true and using very questionable methods to 
tweek results in his favor to make good but ordinary EIS look extra-ordinary]
 Colloidal Sciences is probably one of the best "Colloid" labs going 
that's not buried in some 'Pharm' or industrial basement somewhere trying 
to sneak complexities into what a lot of people know is simple.

 The average lab doesn't have a hint of a clue.
 NCDNR water lab where all be do with millions in taxpayer dollars is 
water?...NOT.


That said, no one but Frank knows what Mesosilver really is or how it's 
made. [wink]


But then
If you have both and neither hurts anything but germs, why worry about it?

Maybe what you're missing is that it's a hotly debated for the sake of 
sales, non issue?


Ode


 Sol, I went to both sites you suggested.  Mesosilver seems to agree 
that ions are bad.  Immunogenics didn't seem to address the issue at 
all.  What am I missing?  MA




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Re: CS>Irritating CS /Tastes like tarnished silverware

[Ode Coyote]

  You can taste tarnished silver because the acids in your mouth are 
making the silver sulphur complexes go ionic and metal fillings are 
creating a battery effect with highly conductive saliva as the electrolyte 
that releases ionslike, accidently biting aluminum foil gives a 
shockingly metallic taste in the mouth as the silver in fillings goes ionic 
and heads for the foil. [which is how the Curad Silver bandaid works]


"Metallic" silver has no flavor.
 Silver with silver doesn't make a good battery.
 Semi metallic sulphur and silver compounds?  Could be another story.

 Anyhow, you taste ions in various *dissolved ionic solutions* as bud 
nerves are triggered and transmit electrical flavor signals to the brain 
for interpretation.

 If nothing dissolves, you can't taste it.
 The more soluble [easily dissolved] things are the most flavorful...salt, 
sugar.
 Colloidal Copper has no flavor as it has very little, to no, ionic 
component.  It's a true suspension.


ode

At 02:30 PM 12/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:

In a message dated 12/17/2006 10:17:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pattycake29...@yahoo.com writes:

hmmm, My CS tastes a little like tarnished silverware.


Pat

  I have to agree with Patty...am I doing something wrong?  V.


- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:11:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Irritating CS



   It will taste like old rusty pipe water.
  True 100% "colloidal" silver has no flavor like a silver spoon has no 
flavor.


Most people can't detect a flavor at under 5 PPM ionic.

Ode



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Re: CS>Fw: CS and mercury dental fillings

[Ode Coyote]

  Metal fillings are a silver / tin? / mercury amalgam.
 It has to be mixed soft enough to press into the hole.
 The more silver or tin you add, the harder and more stable it becomes.
Therefore, CS will make a filling harder, more stable and tend to lock up 
the mercury better in the matrix.


Seems to me that they could place a bit of silver foil over the filling 
just after installing it.  Maybe no one has thought of that?


ode


At 06:53 PM 12/17/2006 +, you wrote:




Thank you for allowing me to join.  My name is Dee Fitzpatrick and I live 
in Epsom in the UK.  I have been using CS (or EIS) for two years now with 
wonderful results, both for me and my family, and my dog.  I have 
'converted' many friends and even strangers to CS and have had some really 
good feedback.  I would like to ask the list a question if I may: does 
anyone know if it is possible that mercury in dental fillings be dissolved 
by taking EIS.  Or maybe the process speeded up

a bit.  Many thanks.
Dee Fitzpatrick


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CS>Re: Re: CS>Ionic Silver vs. Silver Particles

[marmar845]

 
> From: sol 

> I repeat what I posted about this. If you only go to the site you noted, 
> you are only getting half the "argument". Check out the Sovereign Silver 
> (Natural Immunogenics) site for the other half. Reading both gives you 
> some basis upon which to make up your own mind as it shows the extremely 
> wide gap in opinion and "facts" from two very respected sites.

 Sol -- didn't you read my post to you?  I did go to the Natural 
Immunogenics site.  I went to both sites that you suggested.  Frank Key's site 
made the argument against ionic silver.  The Sovereign Silver site did not 
address the issue at all, that I could find.  Was I missing something there?  MA


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