Re: CS>Questions

[Tony Moody]

On 22 May 2007 at 15:46, Jean Baugh wrote about :
Subject : CS>Questions

> Hi,
> 
> If I only had well water to work with, is there a CS machine out there
> that works on a timed sequence?
> 
> I know there are machines out there which work with distilled water
> but am interested in a CS machine that will purify, or work with just
> plain water.  The water here is alkaline, which means more minerals in
> the water.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean
> 
Hi Jean,

I make CS in "well water" all the time. 

Two things are important to do. 

1/ Use very short time compared to distilled water. about 1/10 of the time. I 
use two to three 
minutes per cup of water. I sometimes stir but that doesn't seem to be 
important. 

2/ Keep the current very low. I use a current controller which is set to 1 
milliamp. If there is a 
visible cloud of silver coming off then the process is going too fast. You 
should just be able to 
see the silver in the beam of a laser pointer.

If you drink the water then you should be able to make cs with it.

Hth,

Tony Moody
 


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Re: CS>Catfish Fins, How Bad can they be ?

[Denise Rollheiser]

I healed a 15 cm diameter MRSA+ leg ulcer (dx was necrobiosis lipoidica 
diabeticorum) within 6 weeks using raw honey compresses.


Purchase raw/unpasturized honey from a health food store, apply liberally to 
spot, cover with a layer of gauze and then a waterproof dressing of some 
sort (even a chunk of plastic wrap would work).  The waterproof layer is to 
prevent sticky honey from getting all over your clothes.


I would leave the honey compress on for 24 hours and then remove by 
showering and reapply.


Within 6 weeks, the ulcer was healed closed.

Honey is Mother Nature's natural antibiotic.

For those who are diabetic, applying the honey compress does NOT affect your 
blood sugars.


HTH
Denise



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From: "CWFugitt" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: CS>Catfish Fins, How Bad can they be ?




One of my relatives has been finned by catfish.

This has been associated with  "Flesh Eating Syndrome" and one friend of 
mine died within 24 hours after being finned.


Anyway you cut it, this is bad news.

He was finned on both his hard and leg.  The hand has healed somewhat but 
the leg has a large black spot and he has had surgery already.The 
infection is very deep and is draining a lot.


Any ideas or suggestions at all highly appreciated.
He is using CS but I doubt if it is enough.

Fortunately, he is in his early 40's, very strong, and reasonably healthy, 
a weight lifter and a runner.


I only learned tonight about the catfish fins.

Wayne
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CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[CWFugitt]

At 10:06 PM 5/23/2007, you wrote:


ppm and mg/l are the same.


  I doubt that.  One is a unit of weight, the other a unit of volume.
This statement sounds like something used in the medical profession.


Where did you learn that?  It might be true on some things, but weight and 
volume  does not make specific amounts or ratios.


No one can say how many mg makes a liter.
Try lead, gold, water, ice,  ice cream,  whipping cream,  and
10, 000 other things.  All are different of course.

Typically, in  most cases,  ppm is a weight,  1 to 1 million,
Most calculations are done this way.

The unit can be anything, ounces, grams, mg, pounds, tons  or whatever.

Weight to Volume is doomed to failure  and errors.

Wayne

CS>distilled water

[david]

Jean.

 If you use plain water your health may not be in jeopardy but you  
are gambling with your appearance.  There are already a few examples  
of argyria caused by using 'plain' water. (Stan Jones is just the  
most famous). Plain water makes more and bigger particles (of various  
types) that can lead to argyria.  Some recent claims have suggested  
that any tampering with the water is a bad idea.  Even just adding  
baking soda to distilled water might trigger argyria in extreme  
cases. (As in the case of someone with very fair skin or an 'argyria  
prone' physiology)


But particle size is only one issue. By using plain water you are  
also making assorted chemicals like insoluble silver chloride that  
your body might not appreciate.


A meter is useless in plain water, as most of the silver goes  
straight into particles that are NOT measurable with a meter. The  
meter reading may even go DOWN as you add silver to the water. Going  
by 'eye' is also no good as you can still have very a high 'particle'  
ppm thats pretty clear. Going 'by time' might work if you REALLY know  
your way around the Faraday equation. (Or if you have a silverpuppy,  
in manual mode,  I think the rate is about 1 extra ppm every 4  
minutes in a pint of water IF the water is already conductive)


Another problem is that if you are using plain water you are making  
PARTICULATE CS, not IONIC CS. If, as many people believe, its the  
ions, not the particles, that do the good work, then you may be  
missing out on one of the most important components of 'CS'.


I'd use CS made with plain water for short term use if I didn't have  
any alternative but I wouldn't make a habit of it.


David







From: Jean Baugh 
Date: 24 May 2007 10:41:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>distilled water


Hi,

This is exactly the reason I'm interested in a CS machine that will  
use plain water and my estimation of done, by eye, by time or using  
a meter.


I thought on my last gallon of CS, using the usual Wal-Mart brand  
distilled water (in Texas), there was something wrong with the  
machine but dumped out the whole thing, cleaned out the glass  
container, used a new gallon of distilled water but no starter this  
time.  It seemed to take very little time for the machine to cut  
off.  I suspect at some point in the near future, we will not have  
access to quality distilled water.  I'd rather use plain water than  
to distill water to use unless there is a problem with plain water.


Didn't someone post over this list about making CS from stream  
water in the 3rd world?


If the ppm is raised in distilled water, won't this amount to a  
lesser ppm of CS before an automatic machine cuts off?



Thank you,

Jean



- "scl...@netzero.com"  wrote:


In my neck of the woods Walmart changed distilled
water suppliers and the last batch read 14ppm on my
PWT meter. Unusable, for CS. Check before you use.
Niagara was the last company in CA that was used by
Walmart for DW. That was good stuff at .3ppm. I
guess it varies by state.
Steve

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  The best two places to get distilled water, are
from
Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from
buying
distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not
the
same.  Cathy





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CS>Catfish Fins, How Bad can they be ?

[CWFugitt]

One of my relatives has been finned by catfish.

This has been associated with  "Flesh Eating Syndrome" and one friend of 
mine died within 24 hours after being finned.


Anyway you cut it, this is bad news.

He was finned on both his hard and leg.  The hand has healed somewhat but 
the leg has a large black spot and he has had surgery already.The 
infection is very deep and is draining a lot.


Any ideas or suggestions at all highly appreciated.
He is using CS but I doubt if it is enough.

Fortunately, he is in his early 40's, very strong, and reasonably healthy, 
a weight lifter and a runner.


I only learned tonight about the catfish fins.

Wayne
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Re: CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Gerard Payne]

ppm and mg/l are the same.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Silver Smith 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 PM
  Subject: CS>Concentration?ppm?


  I was reading some info on Argyria and came across the following statement, 
"The amount of silver required to develop Argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams 
per day"  

  I have two questions about that statement.

  1.  If you are drinking a 10ppm "concentration" of CS/EIS, how many ounces or 
milliliters (ml)  of the 10ppm CS/EIS would you have to drink to reach the 3.8 
grams for a day.

  2. How many days would you need to drink it to "get it" (argyria)?

  I need a bit of help fully understanding what we mean in terms of 
concentration when we use ppm as the "unit of concentration". I understand that 
ppm = parts per million.   I assume that would  be  "parts of silver" per some 
unit of volume (water)?  In the clinical lab we measure concentration of 
analytes in the blood in mg/dl or ug/dl..etc.  So would ppm be microgram 
(ug-1millionth of a gram) per some volume of water?  What would the volume of 
water be? 

  Thanks,

  SS





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Re: CS>Sore throat

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Sol, Thanks for your understanding message! And for all the possible 
consequences you list.  I am thinking that there may be a chance that I will 
end up having to use a bag after all since the lower end of my colon looks 
awfully strange on the X-ray.  I have a friend who has to use a bag and her 
situation seems to be just fine. She had her surgery several years ago, with 
a life or death situation.  Mine has not reached that proportion as yet, at 
least I think it hasn't , although in the mornings, I wonder.  And with my 
weight loss .  Today I had a nuclear stress test to determine if my heart is 
okay for such surgery.  I didn't eat from 5:30a.m. until 3 p.m.  I continued 
to have the familiar burning during those hours, but my legs were working 
very well for a change.  There are a number of very strange things that seem 
to go on with my body. Don't have time tonight to enumerate, Have an 
appointment tomorrow with the surgeon who would do this surgery, one who 
does only colon-rectal surgery.  Will see what he has to say and ask 
questions, as many as there are time for.  Need to get my list finalized.  
Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: sol 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Sore throat
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:56:49 -0600

Hello Ruth,
I am going to try to start noticing if CS gives me more of a dry mouth 
feeling. I've never noticed it doing so, but then I am so very dry I've 
even been told I have Sjogren's Syndrome. My eyes get so dry I've had 
keratitis, am at high risk of corneal ulcers, and always have some of what 
the eye doc calls "dry spots" on my corneas which would quickly turn into 
keratitis again if I get careless about my eye drops. I drink liquids 
continuously all day everyday, if I don't I just can't stand the dry 
mouth/throat, which makes me sort of feel like I'm going to choke.
Yes, I've had IBS, spastic colon, (whatever the latest name for it is--its 
all the same thing to me) for over 30 years. But I don't have anything like 
the problems you have, at least nothing like that has ever showed up in any 
imaging studies. What I had was constant diarrhea, which is also very life 
limiting. You can't go much of anywhere when you might have sudden 
explosive diarrhea without warning. In my case a very low carb diet almost 
cures it. I say 'almost' because I still eat too much carbs (mostly bread 
and other grain products) at times, because I've never lost my cravings for 
them. I'm finding that grains, particularly wheat are major triggers for 
me. Though I don't believe I have celiac maybe there are varying degrees 
even of gluten sensitivity.
If you won't have to have a colostomy, in your place I would probably go 
for the surgery. I hate to say that, as I myself have had enough surgery to 
last me several lifetimes, and have determined not to have any more, but 
then I'm not suffering like you are. Not all surgery is bad, and it sounds 
like the surgery you are contemplating might help a great deal.
But.have you asked what your bowel function will be like after the 
surgery has healed? Will you just change to constant diarrhea? My only real 
advice other than drinking 2 liters of CS per day, is to be sure you get 
the real, unvarnished, total truth about the possible consequences (good 
and bad)of the surgery. Doctors and surgeons seem to like to give only the 
best prognosis, not the worst or mid-case ones. Once I went for an in 
office surgical procedure, which I was told was no big deal. I read the 
last permission I had to sign, and got up and left without having the 
procedure. The possible adverse effects of the procedure were no joke and 
were much worse than the condition the docs wanted to cut on me for. Not to 
be scary about it, but my advice is to be sure you really understand the 
worst case possibilities. I have chosen to have surgeries when I felt the 
risks were truly worth it. This sounds to me like where you are at with 
your condition. As I said, in your place, I'd probably go for the surgery.
My mother was told that after her colostomy surgery (rectal cancer) she 
would never be constipated again, but that turned out not to be true. Might 
have been because she refused to follow the diet recommendations they gave 
her (no popcorn is the only thing I recall from her list), and she refused 
to drink enough water as it was hard for her to get around to get to the 
bathroom and since she had become somewhat incontinent and also refused to 
wear protective panty things, she handled it by simply not drinking. She 
ended up in the ER a few times with severe illness from dehydration. 
Because the surgery she had removed all of the part of the colon that helps 
neutralize and de-odorize feces, her output was godawful for stench. I 
literally could not bear it at times. Plus she had a lot of gas so 
sometimes her colostomy bag would actually "blow off" its attachment. The 
fecal matter from higher up in the int

CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Silver Smith]

I was reading some info on Argyria and came across the following statement,
"The amount of silver required to develop Argyria is estimated to be
3.8grams per day"

I have two questions about that statement.

1.  If you are drinking a 10ppm "concentration" of CS/EIS, how many ounces
or milliliters (ml)  of the 10ppm CS/EIS would you have to drink to reach
the 3.8 grams for a day.

2. How many days would you need to drink it to "get it" (argyria)?

I need a bit of help fully understanding what we mean in terms of
concentration when we use ppm as the "unit of concentration". I understand
that ppm = parts per million.   I assume that would  be  "parts of silver"
per some unit of volume (water)?  In the clinical lab we measure
concentration of analytes in the blood in mg/dl or ug/dl..etc.  So would
ppm be microgram (ug-1millionth of a gram) per some volume of water?  What
would the volume of water be?

Thanks,

SS

Re: CS>May be o/t

[Deborah Gerard]

http://photoman.bizland.com/godzilla/index.html  is this what your looking 
for?...debbie

nessie  wrote:   Seems to me me had an expert on "led's" in the 
group.
 Maybe "V".. I can't seem to find the addy.
 If so I need the  persons email "addy".
 Sorry if it was not on this group..
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Re: CS>distilled water

[sol]

Why not purchase a home distiller? I usually have to double distill to 
get water pure enough to make clear CS, which I prefer.
Or I have the option to purchase DW from the store and distill that DW. 
Usually I can keep up with demand here, and double distill our tap water.


I think making CS with well or tap water is not the best idea for daily 
use. OK for emergencies, but I would not want to use it for my daily 
intake of CS. While argryia is only cosmetic, I still don't want to turn 
grey. Plus I want my CS to be clear, and about 85% ionic, 15% 
particulate. Which is supposedly what good homemade CS starting from 
good quality distilled water will average.


Yes, with an automatic shut off generator, the higher the ppm of the DW 
you start with, the lower the actual ppm of silver content you will have 
at shut off. In addition to the risk of argryia with tap or well water, 
you also (my opinion) will have a less effective finished product as you 
will be making more large particles and very little ionic silver. 
Someone correct me if that is not accurate.
Effectiveness is relative of course, so far as I am aware, all CS is 
effective to some degree, I want to make the most effective product I 
can, with the least risk of argryia. So I use good distilled water.

sol

Jean Baugh wrote:
  I'd rather use plain water than to distill water to use unless there 
is a problem with plain water.


Didn't someone post over this list about making CS from stream water 
in the 3rd world?


If the ppm is raised in distilled water, won't this amount to a lesser 
ppm of CS before an automatic machine cuts off?



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Re: CS>distilled water

[sol]

It depends on where you are (most DW is processed more or less 
'locally', and quality varies).  DW from those places is not good 
quality where I live.

sol

Cathryn Camara wrote:

  The best two places to get distilled water, are from
Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from buying
distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not the
same.  Cathy

  



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CS>Alopecia

[Shirley Reed]

If you have not used the procedure outlined at www.emofree.com then you may
well be in for a very pleasant and quick surprise.  pj

Re: CS>Knot

[Leslie]

Hi, re symptoms.Is sore when you press around the top part. Is not tight 
but doesn't move around. Is not discolored; regular flesh color. No grains. 
Nothing inside. Been there a long time; more than a year. Hasn't bothered me 
but now since I was rubbing it (away I thought) it is bigger. Almost like fatty 
deposit. 

Thanks,
Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Faith Saint Francis 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:10 PM
  Subject: CS>Knot


  Respected readers of the Knot string.
   
  From what I know, you can distinguish a few things:
   
  Is it painful?
  Does it grow? 
  Is it loose, or is it tight, like bound to the bone or to the (muscle) tissue?
  Distinguish the color.
  Distinguish the hardness -- is it hard, soft, does it have grains in?
  Is there anything inside? (a single hair may cause a growth).
  How long has it been there?
   
  As a rule: Pain and immobility are warning signs.
  With these boles always be careful, and have them chequed.
  They may range from a simple talcum pimple to a dangerous growth of any kind.
   
  FaithStFrancis
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Re: CS>distilled water

[Clayton Family]

Here in Minneapolis the best brand I have found is Glenwood / Inglewood 
distilled water. I bought several different ones, and this brand is 
consistently good; testing with the good old Com 100.  The walgreens 
distilled water failed both times I tried it. I used it in my coffee 
maker, so it was not wasted.


On May 23, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Cathryn Camara wrote:


--I guess that depends on where one lives.  I'm in CA.
 Thank you for the info.  Cathy

- "scl...@netzero.com"  wrote:


In my neck of the woods Walmart changed distilled
water suppliers and the last batch read 14ppm on my
PWT meter. Unusable, for CS. Check before you use.
Niagara was the last company in CA that was used by
Walmart for DW. That was good stuff at .3ppm. I
guess it varies by state.
Steve

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  The best two places to get distilled water, are
from
Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from
buying
distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not
the
same.  Cathy



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CS>distilled water

[Jean Baugh]

Hi,

This is exactly the reason I'm interested in a CS machine that will use 
plain water and my estimation of done, by eye, by time or using a 
meter.


I thought on my last gallon of CS, using the usual Wal-Mart brand 
distilled water (in Texas), there was something wrong with the machine 
but dumped out the whole thing, cleaned out the glass container, used a 
new gallon of distilled water but no starter this time.  It seemed to 
take very little time for the machine to cut off.  I suspect at some 
point in the near future, we will not have access to quality distilled 
water.  I'd rather use plain water than to distill water to use unless 
there is a problem with plain water.


Didn't someone post over this list about making CS from stream water in 
the 3rd world?


If the ppm is raised in distilled water, won't this amount to a lesser 
ppm of CS before an automatic machine cuts off?



Thank you,

Jean



- "scl...@netzero.com"  wrote:


In my neck of the woods Walmart changed distilled
water suppliers and the last batch read 14ppm on my
PWT meter. Unusable, for CS. Check before you use.
Niagara was the last company in CA that was used by
Walmart for DW. That was good stuff at .3ppm. I
guess it varies by state.
Steve

-- Cathryn Camara  wrote:
  The best two places to get distilled water, are
from
Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from
buying
distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not
the
same.  Cathy





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Re: CS>Knot

[Smitty]

Could it be your  brachial pulse  ?
You can google it.

Smitty



On 5/23/07, Rita  wrote:



 I have one as well that I am wondering about  on my arm by my elbow  but it
doesn't seem to be growing- Rita

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From: Leslie
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: CS>Knot


I had a knot come up on my arm a couple of years ago and it has gotten
bigger so was wondering if a tumor and I thought I had seen a remark about
something to dissolve tumors. If any of you know what that would be, please
let me know and thanks. I have taken CS on and off for years and it hasn't
affected the knot. It is on the inside of the upper left arm.

Leslie



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CS>Knot

[Faith Saint Francis]

Respected readers of the Knot string.
 
>From what I know, you can distinguish a few things:
 
Is it painful?
Does it grow? 
Is it loose, or is it tight, like bound to the bone or to the (muscle) tissue?
Distinguish the color.
Distinguish the hardness -- is it hard, soft, does it have grains in?
Is there anything inside? (a single hair may cause a growth).
How long has it been there?
 
As a rule: Pain and immobility are warning signs.
With these boles always be careful, and have them chequed.
They may range from a simple talcum pimple to a dangerous growth of any kind.
 
FaithStFrancis
Licensed, practising and committed Reflexology therapist
 
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Re: CS>distilled water

[Cathryn Camara]

--I guess that depends on where one lives.  I'm in CA.
 Thank you for the info.  Cathy







- "scl...@netzero.com"  wrote:

> In my neck of the woods Walmart changed distilled
> water suppliers and the last batch read 14ppm on my
> PWT meter. Unusable, for CS. Check before you use.
> Niagara was the last company in CA that was used by
> Walmart for DW. That was good stuff at .3ppm. I
> guess it varies by state.
> Steve
> 
> -- Cathryn Camara  wrote:
>   The best two places to get distilled water, are
> from
> Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from
> buying
> distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not
> the
> same.  Cathy
> 
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Re: CS>Knot

[Rita]

 I have one as well that I am wondering about  on my arm by my elbow  but it 
doesn't seem to be growing- Rita
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:44 PM
  Subject: CS>Knot


  I had a knot come up on my arm a couple of years ago and it has gotten bigger 
so was wondering if a tumor and I thought I had seen a remark about something 
to dissolve tumors. If any of you know what that would be, please let me know 
and thanks. I have taken CS on and off for years and it hasn't affected the 
knot. It is on the inside of the upper left arm.

  Leslie

CS>Re: Mark's Questions

[marmar845]

> Why not just get distilled water from the grocery store? What I get is 89
> cents a gallon, and while I am sure chemists and purity fanatics will
> excoriate me for this, it is fine for home use.

 Hi Mark.  Distilled water from the grocery store probably IS fine for home 
use.  What it's usually not fine for is making CS.  I have a Colloid Master 
generator from Synergenesis.  With this unit, I can test the distilled water 
before making a batch of CS.  Every gallon of distilled water that I have 
purchased from a grocery store is turned down by the generator -- the level of 
impurities is too high.  Distilled water from either Walgreens or Walmarts 
passes inspection every time.  FWIW.   MA


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CS>May be o/t

[nessie]

 Seems to me me had an expert on "led's" in the group.
 Maybe "V".. I can't seem to find the addy.
 If so I need the  persons email "addy".
 Sorry if it was not on this group..
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Re: CS>distilled water

[scl...@netzero.com]

In my neck of the woods Walmart changed distilled water suppliers and the last 
batch read 14ppm on my PWT meter. Unusable, for CS. Check before you use. 
Niagara was the last company in CA that was used by Walmart for DW. That was 
good stuff at .3ppm. I guess it varies by state.
Steve

-- Cathryn Camara  wrote:
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Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from buying
distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not the
same.  Cathy


   
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CS>distilled water

[Cathryn Camara]

  The best two places to get distilled water, are from
Walmart and Walgreens.  I've learned that from buying
distilled water from the grocery store.  It's not the
same.  Cathy


   
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Re: CS>Senate Document 264

[CWFugitt]

whatever happened to this, Wayne? Did you find the docs, and forget why 
you were looking for them? I'd be interested in the link to read them, 
ifpossible.


  I have it in Word Format,  One document.

Will post the link to it.

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CS>OK

[Leslie]

Will let you know whatever I find out. 

Leslie
Member of Kingdom of Heaven

Re: CS>Knot

[noblemetals]

I,too have an egg sized "cyst" under my rib cage. An MRI determined it to be 
benign.  I am interested in a reply also.
> 
> From: "Leslie" 
> Date: 2007/05/23 Wed PM 03:44:53 EST
> To: 
> Subject: CS>Knot
> 
> I had a knot come up on my arm a couple of years ago and it has gotten bigger 
> so was wondering if a tumor and I thought I had seen a remark about something 
> to dissolve tumors. If any of you know what that would be, please let me know 
> and thanks. I have taken CS on and off for years and it hasn't affected the 
> knot. It is on the inside of the upper left arm.
> 
> Leslie
> 

TJ
Conservative Libertarian American!!



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CS>Knot

[Leslie]

I had a knot come up on my arm a couple of years ago and it has gotten bigger 
so was wondering if a tumor and I thought I had seen a remark about something 
to dissolve tumors. If any of you know what that would be, please let me know 
and thanks. I have taken CS on and off for years and it hasn't affected the 
knot. It is on the inside of the upper left arm.

Leslie

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Re: CS>Re: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach

[Dee]

Of course apology accepted but I don't know if it is me who is involved
(again?)  although I had been told that bleach is the most toxic thing on
the planet I suppose. Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Jodi
Date: 05/23/07 21:02:20
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach
 
Charles Marcus wrote on 5/23/2007, 7:45 AM:
 
  > Ok - my apologies to Jodi and Dee for incorrectly correcting their
  > comments about chlorine bleach...
 

CS>Bowel Surgery

[Pat]

My mother in law had many inches of her large intestine removed due to 
diverticulitis.  At the point where it was reconnected, a narrowing occurred 
and she has had to use an enema every day ever since.




  

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CS>Constipation

[Pat]

When traveling, it's easy to miss the "window of opportunity."  When the waste 
sits in the bowel, it gets dryer and then constipation results.  Someone told 
me about magnesium and it's like a miracle.  Of course, if I'd been taking 
ConcenTrace like I should, I wouldn't have any problems.  But I bought some 
magnesium pills made by Solgar.Three capsules contain
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCI) 25 mg,
Calcium (as dicalcium phosphate) 230 mg,
Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) 400 mg,
Sodium† 5 mg.  If I take two of these, within 20 to 30 minutes I get normal 
results.  Not cramps and diarrhea like with laxatives, just perfectly normal.  
Occasionally it takes three for results.  I've heard that with regular use, you 
just stay regular, but I'd only take them when I know a bathroom will be 
available for at least the next hour.  There are other reasons to take 
magnesium, too, but this one is a wonderful quick fix.

 Pat




   
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Re: CS>Re: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach

[Jodi]

Charles Marcus wrote on 5/23/2007, 7:45 AM:

  > Ok - my apologies to Jodi and Dee for incorrectly correcting their
  > comments about chlorine bleach...

Thank you Charles.  Apology accepted, of course.

  > It has been a while since I had reviewed this info, and responded
  > from memory, because I knew that what was being said about bleach was
  > incorrect...
  >
  > What I should have corrected was the myth that pure chlorine bleach
  > is 'bad', or in the same vein as 'chlorine'...
  >
  > See here for the truth about bleach:
  >
  > http://www.clorox.com/health_truth_about_bleach.php

The truth about bleach?  C'mon Charles.  At Clorox's website?  Are you
serious?

Jodi



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Re: CS>Senate Document 264

[Mark Siepak]

whatever happened to this, Wayne? Did you find the docs, and forget why you
were looking for them? I'd be interested in the link to read them, if
possible.


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Re: CS>Questions

[Mark Siepak]

Why not just get distilled water from the grocery store? What I get is 89
cents a gallon, and while I am sure chemists and purity fanatics will
excoriate me for this, it is fine for home use.

I wouldn't use well water for making CS/EIS, because even if you have it
analyzed, it can change over time as the aquifer moves. Don't reuse the
milky translucent jugs to store finished CS/EIS, it will taste plasticky,
and that means you are getting chemicals added that you probably don't want.
Yes, some are in there to begin with, but PETE plastic is better for
storage. I have had silver plate out on glass jars, which reduces the
effectiveness of your product.


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Re: CS>Re: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach

[Jodi]

Charles Marcus wrote on 5/23/2007, 7:45 AM:

 > Ok - my apologies to Jodi and Dee for incorrectly correcting their
 > comments about chlorine bleach...

Thank you Charles.  Apology accepted, of course.

 > It has been a while since I had reviewed this info, and responded from
 > memory, because I knew that what was being said about bleach was
 > incorrect...
 >
 > What I should have corrected was the myth that pure chlorine bleach is
 > 'bad', or in the same vein as 'chlorine'...
 >
 > See here for the truth about bleach:
 >
 > http://www.clorox.com/health_truth_about_bleach.php

The truth about bleach?  C'mon Charles.  At Clorox's website?  Are you 
serious?

Jodi


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Re: CS>Sore throat

[sol]

Hello Ruth,
I am going to try to start noticing if CS gives me more of a dry mouth 
feeling. I've never noticed it doing so, but then I am so very dry I've 
even been told I have Sjogren's Syndrome. My eyes get so dry I've had 
keratitis, am at high risk of corneal ulcers, and always have some of 
what the eye doc calls "dry spots" on my corneas which would quickly 
turn into keratitis again if I get careless about my eye drops. I drink 
liquids continuously all day everyday, if I don't I just can't stand the 
dry mouth/throat, which makes me sort of feel like I'm going to choke.
Yes, I've had IBS, spastic colon, (whatever the latest name for it 
is--its all the same thing to me) for over 30 years. But I don't have 
anything like the problems you have, at least nothing like that has ever 
showed up in any imaging studies. What I had was constant diarrhea, 
which is also very life limiting. You can't go much of anywhere when you 
might have sudden explosive diarrhea without warning. In my case a very 
low carb diet almost cures it. I say 'almost' because I still eat too 
much carbs (mostly bread and other grain products) at times, because 
I've never lost my cravings for them. I'm finding that grains, 
particularly wheat are major triggers for me. Though I don't believe I 
have celiac maybe there are varying degrees even of gluten sensitivity.
If you won't have to have a colostomy, in your place I would probably go 
for the surgery. I hate to say that, as I myself have had enough surgery 
to last me several lifetimes, and have determined not to have any more, 
but then I'm not suffering like you are. Not all surgery is bad, and it 
sounds like the surgery you are contemplating might help a great deal.
But.have you asked what your bowel function will be like after the 
surgery has healed? Will you just change to constant diarrhea? My only 
real advice other than drinking 2 liters of CS per day, is to be sure 
you get the real, unvarnished, total truth about the possible 
consequences (good and bad)of the surgery. Doctors and surgeons seem to 
like to give only the best prognosis, not the worst or mid-case ones. 
Once I went for an in office surgical procedure, which I was told was no 
big deal. I read the last permission I had to sign, and got up and left 
without having the procedure. The possible adverse effects of the 
procedure were no joke and were much worse than the condition the docs 
wanted to cut on me for. Not to be scary about it, but my advice is to 
be sure you really understand the worst case possibilities. I have 
chosen to have surgeries when I felt the risks were truly worth it. This 
sounds to me like where you are at with your condition. As I said, in 
your place, I'd probably go for the surgery.
My mother was told that after her colostomy surgery (rectal cancer) she 
would never be constipated again, but that turned out not to be true. 
Might have been because she refused to follow the diet recommendations 
they gave her (no popcorn is the only thing I recall from her list), and 
she refused to drink enough water as it was hard for her to get around 
to get to the bathroom and since she had become somewhat incontinent and 
also refused to wear protective panty things, she handled it by simply 
not drinking. She ended up in the ER a few times with severe illness 
from dehydration. Because the surgery she had removed all of the part of 
the colon that helps neutralize and de-odorize feces, her output was 
godawful for stench. I literally could not bear it at times. Plus she 
had a lot of gas so sometimes her colostomy bag would actually "blow 
off" its attachment. The fecal matter from higher up in the intestines 
is also extremely acidic (I guess) because it burns skin, too, in 
addition to its other attributes.
A lot of that may have just been my mother, as I have a little old lady 
friend now who has a colostomy who does not suffer the stinks etc that 
my mother did, nor does my friend become constipated, etc. Or maybe it 
is because of what portion of the bowel was removed, I don't know enough 
to know. My little friend (now 92) had the colostomy because she had 
suffered a total bowel blockage with bowel death, and was found 
unconscious in her apartment, near death. They were going to reverse it 
at some point, but because of her age at the time (late 80s) the doctor 
told her she might not survive the second operation.
Is there any chance you could go into the surgery expecting the bowel to 
be attached to the rectum and still come out with a colostomy? If there 
is any chance of that, be sure that is a consequence you can accept.


sorry not to have more to offer,
sol

ruth strackbein wrote:
Hi, Sol, I am not using DMSO and get this peculiar feeling in my mouth 
and throat every time I use CS. I do have dry mouth this morning, but 
am scheduled for a nuclear stress test of my heart at noon today to 
see if my heart is okay for a possible partial removal of my large 
bowel. Thi

CS>Health Freedom

[Marshall Dudley]

*Presidential Candidate Ron Paul//John Hammell (and All of US) on the 
Edge of the Cliff*


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2. *_Presidential Candidate Congressman Ron Paul_* */(who has done more 
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the "third rail" with numerous bold statements that have enraged the 
head honchos in the Republican Party and in the CIA controlled Media 
because he's the only candidate with the courage to speak the truth 
about 911 and all aspects of the New World Order Dictatorship. Due to 
this, they are attempting to *BAN HIM* from all future debates, so I'm 
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this man, he is the only candidate willing to take a stand against the 
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time I've gone to DC to do any work in your behalf, his office has 
welcomed me with open arms. Ron Paul is a true man of the people, a true 
populist and he cares about our access to dietary supplements and about 
ALL of our most deeply cherished personal freedoms.


3. *AMEND S.1082 HR 1561 TO PROTECT ACCESS TO DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS*

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RE: CS>Sore throat

[nathan cross]

Hi,Jason,Ruth

Yes I also regularly feel this same sensation. My understanding is, formed 
from what i read a couple of years back, in a document written by Dr Bob 
Becker i think, is that cs is an astringent similar to lemon juice and 
(other astringents), i cant remember which others inparticular were 
mentioned, but anyway, apparently astringents cause a contracting of the 
cell walls that make up body tissue which constricts the pores in skin and 
body tissue. this may be one reason why cs is so effective against acne, 
leaky gut, weeping sores, and in situations where bacteria and virus's are 
trying to infiltrate the skin membrane. i always picture it like a clean up 
and tightening of all the cells bits.a bit like a service for your car. 
anyway thats my understanding i enjoy this feeling as i picture all the good 
being done. i should chase up the document it was quite interesting and 
better explained than this little effort of mine. maybe others have 
comments.



Nathan





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From: "ruth strackbein" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Sore throat
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:24:11 -0500

Hi, Jason, I don't exactly get a sore throat, but it does feel dry in a 
strange sort of way, don't know just how to describe it.  It isn't like 
being thirsty, either.  Ruth  I tend not to use CS as much on this account.


From Ruth Strackbein



From: "Jason" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: CS>Sore throat
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:12:01 +0100

Hi,

Whenever I take CS, I always get a really dry sore throat straight after.
Is this normal?  10PPM.

Thanks,
J.


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Re: CS>Re: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach

[Marshall Dudley]

Clayton Family wrote:
It sounds like a misunderstanding, maybe Clorox 2 non chlorine bleach 
is meant- I think it is an oxygen type bleach. -Kathryn


Yes, Chlorox 2 is an oxygen based bleach.  It is much more gentle than 
the original Chlorox (chlorine) bleach. It contains Myristamine Oxide 
and hydrogen peroxide.


This is the first mention of Chlorox 2 though.

Marshall


On May 22, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote:




I ask again. Just what difference do you see in a bottle of sodium 
hypochlorite that says chlorine bleach on it, and a bottle that says 
Chlorox on it. Regular Chlorox is a brand name for chlorine bleach.  
the only difference is the label.


Saying that something is different because of what the label says, 
instead of what is inside the bottle is what the FDA does.


Marshall



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RE: CS>Sore throat

[ransley]

>Whenever I take CS, I always get a really dry sore throat straight after.
Is this normal? <

CS can cause some folk to taste or feel funny things in the mouth, throat,
etc. But- a dry sore throat after drinking water (which is mostly what CS
is) is my indication that I have suppressed my thirst reflex, then have
re-started it by drinking water. I very often need to have a second glass of
water very soon after drinking one, when I have gone too long without. 

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Re: CS>Sore throat

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Sol,  I am not using DMSO and get this peculiar feeling in my mouth and 
throat every time I use CS.  I do have dry mouth this morning, but am 
scheduled for a nuclear stress test of my heart at noon today to see if my 
heart is okay for a possible partial removal of my large bowel.  This bowel 
is a great deal longer than normal and the X-ray series show that it is sort 
of twisted back on itself, transverse colon hangs way low, the upper 
"corner" that usually looks to be higher in the abdomen than the other 
"curve" is doubled back on itself.  It has showed up that way back in the 
late 70's, too. The extra long colon was first detected in 1954 when alot 
more contrast medium was required to complete an x-ray.  At present I seem 
only to be able to pass stool by using an enema and/or stool softener or 
dulcomax (spelling?) .  And I have severe burning almost all the time in the 
right side of my abdomen.  I do not use the bowel medicines every day.  
Usually a two -three cup plain warm water enema.  If my whole abdomen felt 
as good as my left side, I would be just fine!  Have recently had a transit 
time, food residue can take as long as 7-8 days to exit my body.  
Recommendation is to remove about 90% of my large colon and hitch the rest 
to my rectum.  I am contemplating having this done by a surgeon who 
specializes in colon, rectal surgery and does no other kind.  I have tried 
various alternative therapies without success, have added some of the 
suggested nutrition changes like garlic caps for inulin, etc. that have been 
suggested on eskimo. Trouble is, I feel I can't try all of the suggestions 
at once. Finally I have to have money left for food, itself.  There are some 
food groups I can't tolerate.  Am lactose intolerant, Don't get along with 
the cabbage family, potato-tomato family, citrus fruits.  Actually it is 
very hard to figure out what to have to eat.  Even my chiropractor says that 
there comes a time when the regular Docs and the Surgeons need to be called 
in.  Also I have lost a great deal of weight over the past year or so. From 
around 130 to 120  to yesterday's weight of 111 since 2005-2006.  I know 
from your posts that you have alot of eating troubles, too.  Would value 
your opinion of all this.  Ruth at ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com



From Ruth Strackbein




From: sol 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Sore throat
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:47:45 -0600

I only get the dry mouth/throat if I'm using CS/DMSO orally.
sol

ruth strackbein wrote:
Hi, Jason, I don't exactly get a sore throat, but it does feel dry in a 
strange sort of way, don't know just how to describe it.  It isn't like 
being thirsty, either.  Ruth  I tend not to use CS as much on this 
account.





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CS>Re: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach

[Charles Marcus]

WRONG.

Please get your facts straight.

I did NOT say 'chlorine bleach' I said CLOROX bleach. They are NOT 
the same thing - google is your friend...


Pray tell, what is the difference. Chlorine bleach is sodium 
hypochlorite. I just checked my bottle of chlorox and guess what, it 
is also sodium hypochlorite. how can they be different?


Ok - my apologies to Jodi and Dee for incorrectly correcting their 
comments about chlorine bleach...


It has been a while since I had reviewed this info, and responded from 
memory, because I knew that what was being said about bleach was 
incorrect...


What I should have corrected was the myth that pure chlorine bleach is 
'bad', or in the same vein as 'chlorine'...


See here for the truth about bleach:

http://www.clorox.com/health_truth_about_bleach.php

Of course, it goes without saying that pure bleach is not something to 
use carelessly...


Charles


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Re: CS>Subscribe

[Dee]

I could be wrong, but you have your mail set to receive receipts all the
time, but I would think this would clog up your box enormously and aren't
really necessary on this sort of list.  Just a thought.  Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: mu...@mail.bg
Date: 22/05/2007 19:25:09
To: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Subscribe
 
Mike
 
I have subscribed for individual mails, because digests
contain only some of the mails.
 
Now I receive digest again (with only one mail in it !)  Why
?
 
Simeon