Re: CS>RE: spider bite/Wayne

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

At 12:55 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote:


Ya know, Wayne,

What difference does it make whether someone refers to the substance as
"poison" or "a digestive enzyme"?


   Facts are facts and words are words.  Call it what you want, but why ?

They are not the same.


 Our bodies respond basically the same;
fever, swelling, pain, swollen lymph glands.


  Never had any swollen lymph glands from any cause



 No reason to split hairs over
the choice of words. Poison is a catch all term. Yes, poison from a snake or
"poisonous spider" can kill people.


  Some spiders are poison and others are not.  I don' think a small amount 
of this

digestive enzyme can kill anyone .

But, a digestive enzyme is like poison in that it is foreign and the body 
has to figure out what to do with it.


  It does not go all over the body. It stays localized.   Very important.


People do respond differently depending on the state of their immune
systems.
   Yes, and that can kill you. not the spider, unless it is one of the 
really bad ones, not normally found in the USA.  In other courtries, they 
can kill an adult male in 3 hours.




The average spider bite received by the average person will resolve itself
more or less in a few days to a week without that person doing much at all.
   That my friend is absolutely false.  Who is average ?  Some bites 
continue for weeks and months.


I have told enough to make most people consider the real facts, that is all 
I wanted to do.  I even offered many of them and the right words.




Why wouldn't a poultice designed to "draw out" help to neutralize the
"digestive enzyme"? Or is your issue just the word choice of "poison" or
"digestive enzyme" Or do we just not want to give it up and go to bed.
   There was never anything drawn our of my body.  The venom all stayed 
there and done the job it was intended.


Most of the treatments are to ease pain and reduce swelling, and make the 
body more comfortable.


There is really not much that can be done to the venom anyway.

Wayne

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CS>Spider bite ( Precisness is Confusing ? )

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Morning Meggan

At 12:13 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote:


ok then the spider bite I had a few years ago that caused a vine like
mark on my leg, that covered about 2 feet length and 6 inches in
width  must have just been my imagination.


  No, ( did not say that )  .. that is one of the most serious things 
you can have.
One male friend had a Brown Recluses bite on the ankle and these streaks 
ran from the ankle to the groin.  Bad News.


The country folk call them  "Blood Poisoning".  But. that is a problem 
with the immune system and the body not working right.


The main job of the body is to CONTAIN any such foreign material right 
where it is.   The streaks normally demand immediate attention.


Still, IMHO, the spider did not cause it.   The body is a bit out of tune 
or has an intercellular communication problem.  Still, it is serious no 
matter what you call it or how you cut it.


after all according to the all knowing, it can only effect the skin cells 
right by the bite right all knowing one?


  Are you talking about the venom ?   Anywhere the Venom gets, no where else.

  Hey, I am just a country boy that has never been to school.

And yes, the spider causes some serious things when the body does not 
respond properly. A haywire body can cause others, much more serious.


  If the body reacts wrong,   anything from the toe to the brain 
may be effected.   As many of my friends thought,  I would die if I did not 
go to the doctor.   The spider might effect your brain, if the body does 
the job wrong.


Of course I had an ace in the hole.  If anything went wrong, I had picked 
out one of the best doctors on spider bites in the Central USA.  600 miles 
away  I was going to head there in short order.




 So the fact that the pain I deal with was gone from
that side of my lower body for two weeks after the bite has nothing to do 
with the bite I got ...right all knowing.
   Very likely as I mentioned above. Indirectly, but. the little bitty 
spider cannot do all that.  It can only damage a few cells.
Infections, MRSA, and deadly staph can result. Your  body can make things 
worse, much worse.


One doctor called me several times from Atlanta.  All he did was worry me 
for a time, and after some analysis on my part..

I decided his concerns could not possibly effect me, and I was right.

By your analysis and reasoning, the bacteria that causes
"Flesh Eating Syndrome" is what kills the people.

That is a FAR CRY from the truth.  The bacteria simply cannot kill a human.

Improper response and improper functioning of the body while responding to 
the emergency, ( which it cannot do properly ) is what kills the 
people.  And it happens quickly, usually less than 24 hours.


The medial profession has scared people to death talking about
"A flesh eating bacteria"  and / or  "The Flesh Eating Bacteria".

They LIED in grand style.  None exists, no not one.

There is simply no such thing as a flesh eating bacteria.

Ask the next genius doctor you come across and see if he is in the dark on 
the subject.


Please consider my logic was developed on machines, computers, cars, 
circuits, circuit boards,  and many other inanimate objects.


It might lead me astray relative to the human machine.  
But not every time.

And I may be wrong on some aspects of the spider bite.  I welcome you and 
invite you to point this out, set the facts straight, and correct any of my 
statements.  I want to learn the truth.


Many people are satisfied to say, this causes this and that causes that.  I 
prefer to think, direct cause, related cause, contributing factor,  related 
to,  or  partial cause.


And of course the spider bite can be an indirect cause and contributing 
factor to many body malfunctions, even death.


no one was confused till you needed to try to confuse people with your 
perciseness that IS NOT precise.


  It appeared to me, everyone was going in circles using the wrong words, 
and often wrong in how they used them.


and christ even when I try to change it to suit you ...you still have to 
try to make things more confusing.


   Darn, you said a mouthful then.  

   I wonder what you found confusing?

   That will take another book to set all that straight.

   Now you are saying that preciseness is confusing.

   Still laughing about that way of analyzing things.

   Precisness is Confusing .  ? ?

   If you can explain that, I give up.

   Wayne

  

CS>RE: spider bite/Wayne

2007-08-28 Thread Nina Bozarth
Ya know, Wayne,
I read your original post on the spider bite and then the one regarding the
use of the word "poison".  I debated whether to respond and thought better
of it but, then read the one addressed to me and of course, took the bait.

What difference does it make whether someone refers to the substance as
"poison" or "a digestive enzyme"? Our bodies respond basically the same;
fever, swelling, pain, swollen lymph glands. No reason to split hairs over
the choice of words. Poison is a catch all term. Yes, poison from a snake or
"poisonous spider" can kill people. But, a digestive enzyme is like poison
in that it is foreign and the body has to figure out what to do with it.
People do respond differently depending on the state of their immune
systems.

The average spider bite received by the average person will resolve itself
more or less in a few days to a week without that person doing much at all.
Those that have compromised immune systems may react more severely and
receiving a brown recluse bite which uses the "digestive enzyme" may lay
them out for quite awhile.  You know and I know from experience.

I had a black spot originally on my upper chest and kept the blister that
formed from popping using essential oils.  I boosted intake of immune
support but, still my whole left side from my neck to my ribs and under my
arm (lymphatics) turned bright red, hot, swollen. I had a fever and felt
like I was in fog.  I continued to work (self-employed) and it took about a
month for my system to work it all out. I have a scar to show people since
most don't believe me hearing that I did not have a doctor verify and treat.
Looking at pics online, though, I was not about to let a doctor touch me. 

Whether it was "poison" or "a digestive enzyme", which I know it was the
latter, my body was working overtime to rid itself of the substance and come
back into balance. I believe the oils I used kept the blister intact which
kept me from having an ulcer that self perpetuated but, inside my lymph
system was very busy.

Why wouldn't a poultice designed to "draw out" help to neutralize the
"digestive enzyme"? Or is your issue just the word choice of "poison" or
"digestive enzyme" Or do we just not want to give it up and go to bed.

Good night,
Nina


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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Meggan Gaumer
ok then the spider bite I had a few years ago that caused a vine like
mark on my leg, that covered about 2 feet length and 6 inches in
width  must have just been my imagination. after all according to the
all knowing, it can only effect the skin cells right by the bite right
all knowing one? So the fact that the pain I deal with was gone from
that side of my lower body for two weeks after the bite has nothing to
do with the bite I got ...right all knowing.

noone was confused till you needed to try to confuse people with your
perciseness that IS NOT precise. and christ even when I try to change
it to suit you ...you still have to try to make things more confusing.
goodbye

On 8/28/07, CWFugitt  wrote:
> Thank You Meg'gan,
>
> >OK fine Wayne maybe this will be worded better for you:
> We agree of course.  But that old English book I studied
> many years ago, was different from yours.   
>
> I am not a stickler for details but I fear others may get confused.
>
>  >>. If we get down to it your right, it doesn't draw it out (in most
> >but all cases) rather it Neutralise's it by being able to soak into
> >the skin on and around the bite.
> Yes, very good.   It is a gosh awful thing.  Good thing the spiders are
> small.  A large one would kill us for sure.
>
>
> >You know, give me a break.to our body the digestive enzyme is a
> >poison of types...other wise there would not be a reaction.
>
> Thinking about that, thinking hard.
>
> When the cells die, dissolve, disappear, . is that a reaction ?
>
> Only to the cells that are damaged beyond repair.  It seems a bit like
> Flesh eating syndrome, does it not ?
>
> Do you mean a reaction by the body or a reaction of the chemical
> damage?   Actually I see it not much different than a burn or chemical
> spill on the body.  Dead Cells any way you cut it.
>
> >  And to me neutralizing a bite reaction is the same as drawing it out.
>
> Ok  I don't think we can neutralize the damage that has been
> done.  The venom will eventually wear out but how much damage before then ?
>
> Likely as it works, it is being neutralized as it does its duty. The
> chemical reaction cannot continue forever.  Some chemical compound must run
> out and no longer be volatile..
>
> I have studied and watched spiders at work, in attacks, and in
> feeding.   Awesome.   They show some intelligence, often high intelligence
> that amazes me in the things they do.
> Calculation, lead in attack paths,  intercepting a moving meal,
> Unbelievable for sure.
>
>They are not as stupid as many think .
>
>Wayne
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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Thank You Meg'gan,


OK fine Wayne maybe this will be worded better for you:

   We agree of course.  But that old English book I studied
many years ago, was different from yours.   

I am not a stickler for details but I fear others may get confused.

>>. If we get down to it your right, it doesn't draw it out (in most

but all cases) rather it Neutralise's it by being able to soak into
the skin on and around the bite.
   Yes, very good.   It is a gosh awful thing.  Good thing the spiders are 
small.  A large one would kill us for sure.




You know, give me a break.to our body the digestive enzyme is a
poison of types...other wise there would not be a reaction.


   Thinking about that, thinking hard.

When the cells die, dissolve, disappear, . is that a reaction ?

Only to the cells that are damaged beyond repair.  It seems a bit like
Flesh eating syndrome, does it not ?

Do you mean a reaction by the body or a reaction of the chemical 
damage?   Actually I see it not much different than a burn or chemical 
spill on the body.  Dead Cells any way you cut it.



 And to me neutralizing a bite reaction is the same as drawing it out.


   Ok  I don't think we can neutralize the damage that has been 
done.  The venom will eventually wear out but how much damage before then ?


Likely as it works, it is being neutralized as it does its duty. The 
chemical reaction cannot continue forever.  Some chemical compound must run 
out and no longer be volatile..


I have studied and watched spiders at work, in attacks, and in 
feeding.   Awesome.   They show some intelligence, often high intelligence 
that amazes me in the things they do.

Calculation, lead in attack paths,  intercepting a moving meal,
Unbelievable for sure.

  They are not as stupid as many think .

  Wayne

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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Clayton Family
Ruth, I had all the symptoms of underactive thyroid for years, but it 
was really a reaction to toxins- that is one of the ways the body 
reacts to toxins. My particular one was mold. Some people have the same 
problem from Post Lyme Disease syndrome, and many other toxins there 
are around.  check out Dr Shoemaker's site for some reading on the 
subject if you feel like it- the sidebar on the left has links to 
different causes for the symptoms. maybe you will recognize your 
symptoms there.


www.chronicneurotoxins.com

On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:19 PM, ruth strackbein wrote:

Thanks, Ransley.  Guess I have the same feeling about all the things I 
have done.  It is hard to keep track of what intervention really 
helped and I can't afford to keep up with everything.  I will check 
out the Magnascent.  I really do think my thyroid is underactive from 
my symptoms, but the medical Dr. says not according to the numbers 
from the tests and I have now had the entire battery.  On the other 
hand, if the doc would try to treat it, the meds he would use might 
well work against me.  I would wonder about thyroid prescriptions.  
Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "ransley" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Iodine
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:18:29 -0400

Ruth wrote:
>Is there an iodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works 
for any

of you?<

Magnascent has been incredibly stimulating to my entire system. It has
literally made my thyroid gland feel like it's crawling around in my 
throat.

I have to back off if it every once in a while because of that.

It has given me strength and stamina like nothing else has, BUT, I've 
taken,
done, take and do so many things that all those things may have just 
paved

the way for my results.

Many things that have happened to me from taking Magnascent can be 
explained

by endocrine system stimulation, but the one thing I am at a loss to
understand is why it made my knees so much stronger.

Daddybob



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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread leslie
All I know about MS is that they suspect aspartame poisoning for causing but CS 
is the route to always take to kill out whatever and look for other things like 
this DMSO which I know nothing about but would be interesting to know if this 
might help rebuild that mylein sheath. My sister died of MS. My other sister of 
cancer so I sure hope you find something while still alive. That is why I 
search out more now. 

Leslie
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One of my "Guys", a Bernese Mountain Dog male, about 120 lbs. Had trouble 
getting ujp last week.  His rear end wouldn't respond.   Now the front end 
won't move for him either.   Someone said it could be MS.  I read on this list 
in the past that a 200 lb man cured his MS by drinking a gallon of CS per day.  
I also read that dmso will help regrow the mylein.   This is a sweet dog, and I 
really hate to lose him any suggestions are welcome 

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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Clayton Family
Speaking of digestive enzymes, meat tenderizer is one of the best 
treatments for stings. Adolphs' is just fine. It haas pineapple enzymes 
or something like that. Or good old MSG, Accent, does the same thing- 
apply topically, in a paste. These neutralize the stuff the bugs 
inject.  I would be interested to know if it would help with a spider 
bite, I never thought to try it. I suppose if you had digestive enzyme 
tablets, and crushed them to make a paste, that would probably work 
too. This really does work, I have used it for years- I have one son 
who used to be  a wasp magnet.



On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:41 PM, CWFugitt wrote:


 At 09:38 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote:


RAW honey also draws out the poison.
I have had good results with the bitters being able to draw out the 
poison from the bite that is causing the reaction.
    With most bites, ... it is not a poison. It is a digestive 
enzyme.


 It is not a matter of drawing it out.

 It must be neutralized.  Nothing in the body is designed to do this.

 We are not designed to be bitten and dissolved by other critters.

 It must be contained, and the damage repaired.


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Re: CS>teeth sensitivity

2007-08-28 Thread Norine Twaddell
Daddybob...RADIUS makes floss called Cranberry Floss. It is a tangled nylon 
spun in beeswax with an unsweetened cranberry essence on it.  (800)626-6223.  I 
love it.  It is on the expensive side but I get it at a natural food chain, 
Whole Foods.  I'd love to find it or something like it that is more economical. 
 ~Norine

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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Meggan Gaumer
>  With most bites, ... it is not a poison. It is a digestive enzyme.
>
>  It is not a matter of drawing it out.
>
>  It must be neutralized.  Nothing in the body is designed to do this.
>
>  We are not designed to be bitten and dissolved by other critters.
>
>  It must be contained, and the damage repaired.


OK fine Wayne maybe this will be worded better for you:

I have found that a combination of CS and Swedish bitters CONTAINS the
reaction from the bite. this combination seem to produce the good
results with most bites Withe the bite CONTAINED and the digestive
enzyme cant proceed to damage skin. Ohh but let me change more for
you. If we get down to it your right, it doesn't draw it out (in most
but all cases) rather it Neutralise's it by being able to soak into
the skin on and around the bite.

You know, give me a break.to our body the digestive enzyme is a
poison of types...other wise there would not be a reaction.  And to me
neutralizing a bite reaction is the same as drawing it out.

may love and light guide your path
Meg'gan


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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread leslie
I have never heard of Magnascent; can you tell me a little about it and what 
it is for and if a Magnesium derivitive? I am using Iodine and CS and taking 
Magnesium Chloride. I just know that goiter is much smaller now so must be 
doing something right for a change.


Thanks,
Leslie
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From: "ruth strackbein" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Iodine


Thanks, Ransley.  Guess I have the same feeling about all the things I 
have done.  It is hard to keep track of what intervention really helped 
and I can't afford to keep up with everything.  I will check out the 
Magnascent.  I really do think my thyroid is underactive from my symptoms, 
but the medical Dr. says not according to the numbers from the tests and I 
have now had the entire battery.  On the other hand, if the doc would try 
to treat it, the meds he would use might well work against me.  I would 
wonder about thyroid prescriptions.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: "ransley" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Iodine
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:18:29 -0400

Ruth wrote:
>Is there an iodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works for 
>any

of you?<

Magnascent has been incredibly stimulating to my entire system. It has
literally made my thyroid gland feel like it's crawling around in my 
throat.

I have to back off if it every once in a while because of that.

It has given me strength and stamina like nothing else has, BUT, I've 
taken,

done, take and do so many things that all those things may have just paved
the way for my results.

Many things that have happened to me from taking Magnascent can be 
explained

by endocrine system stimulation, but the one thing I am at a loss to
understand is why it made my knees so much stronger.

Daddybob

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Re: CS>RE: spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Nina,

>> At 10:10 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote:


Faith,
I hope you are taking some silver and supplements to help your body deal 
with the poison in your body.


  Where are you getting this information about poison ?

  Seriously, I don't think I ever had any poison in my body. If so,
I would have had more than one degree of fever for one day.

Possibly some people make it when they have a little injury like a spider 
bite.  I don't think I do.


Some people get well in record time by doing absolutely nothing !

  Wayne



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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

At 09:38 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote:


RAW honey also draws out the poison.
I have had good results with the bitters being able to draw out the poison 
from the bite that is causing the reaction.

With most bites, ... it is not a poison. It is a digestive enzyme.

It is not a matter of drawing it out.

It must be neutralized.  Nothing in the body is designed to do this.

We are not designed to be bitten and dissolved by other critters.

It must be contained, and the damage repaired.

Our superior brain ( intelligence ) is supposed to have us in control, not 
the other critters.


> How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite 
received  ...I've dabbed some on a

> couple of times but it isn't helping.


   If one gets an infection  that is a different ball game and 
has nothing to do with the original problem.


 Some spiders may deliver poison, for these there is often an
anti dote available.

I know one man  that has his leg cut off  3 times.

He was going to the doctor and doing what he said.

Beware .   You can do that good at home, or,  in the middle of the 
jungle.


Wayne


RE: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Faith Saint Francis

There is a point, the point "ledum" stright above the right nipple, between rib 
# 1 and #2.
Apply pressure there after insect bites - no less than one minute - no more 
than four minutes.
This will reduce the swelling, and relieve the pain.
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How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite received 
yesterday afternoon while walking through my yard?  I've dabbed some on a 
couple of times but it isn't helping.
 
By the way Wayne, thanks for your support.
 
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CS>Re: CS: Carlos- Re: Plantain

2007-08-28 Thread Teddyberen
Carlos..
 I only know it by another name of Plantago Major or lanceolate. It looks 
like a common weed to me. Seeds and leaves are both used.   In woods, I have 
taken the leave, bruised it, and put it on affected area in poultice form.  
 
I think what you are talking about is plantains, which is a  relative of the 
banana, but not sure. Very good eating, if that is what you are talking about.
 
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CS>RE: spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Nina Bozarth
Faith,
I hope you are taking some silver and supplements to help your body deal
with the poison in your body.  Maybe some vit c (lots), Echinacea, zinc,
lots and lots of water. Flush it out as well as treat topically.
I used essential oils too, on a brown recluse bite.  I know others have
dealt with this also.
Nina

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CS>Spider bite, Many Treatments

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Faith,

>> At 08:08 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote:
How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite received 
yesterday afternoon while walking through my yard?  I've dabbed some on a 
couple of times but it isn't helping.


   I had support from around the world.  I think the people in Australia 
and New Zealand, and that part of the world have forgotten more than we 
know in the USA.


Speed is an important point.  Do everything you do quickly.
The sooner the treatment is started the better.

The response and strength of the immune system makes a huge difference.

The venom in some spiders may in fact be poison, but in some it is not 
actually poison, it is a digestive enzyme designed to liquidity the food 
for the spider so he can suck it in easily.


It will likewise make a mess of human cells.

How the body immune system contains this seems to be a factor
I don't think it can in fact neutralize it.

Other factors effect the soreness, swelling, and the size of the 
damage.  Of course strong young people fare better than older weaker ones.


My fever went up for 1 degree for one day.  That is when I decided the 
spider could not kill me.   I talked to two doctor friends but never went 
to the doctor.


Some of my friends serious believed and told me,
"Go to the doctor or you are going to die".  How brave they are  !

I read all the other messages.   While these things may help, most are 
doing things that do not need to be done at all.


I used MSM and Everclear as a poultice
CS as a poultice / soaks
Used Bentonite as a Poultice hydrated with CS

Used  Crushed Onion as a poultice, one of the best straight from Australia.

What else ?  I ate 5 kinds of fruit per day.

Took the usual vitamins and minerals.

I worked every day and had some excess swelling for a day or so.
Never forget, Swelling is very important.  In the case of a bad snake bite 
it can save your life.


Oh... last but not least, ... The Stun Gun.  This really gets your 
attention.  I shocked the bite 5 times,  once in the center, then at 3, 6, 
9, and 12 o'clock.


I can't say what was the best treatment.  Maybe all combined.
I know I had tested my immune system several times.

One good way is to stand there and allow a wasp or bumble bee to sting to 
its hearts content.   Then notice the effect.


Back to your original question about CS.  Use a lot, drink a lot,
use soaks a lot.   Still, the venom is not a bacteria, a virus, or a common 
poison.  It is more like pouring some strong acid slowly on the 
cells.  They will dissolve, die, and a hole will result.

How severe all this is .. depends on many things I mentioned above.

Don't expect any magic cure from anything.  It will take some time.
I still have all my pictures on my website.
If anyone wants to see them, I can post the links.

Many of the treatments mentions suggested a weakened condition that needs 
boosting.  Hopefully one has a strong body and immune system to start 
with.   This is the time to find out.


Wayne











Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Beverly
It sounds more like a tick.  There are ticks that when on the dog, will 
basically make it almost paralyzed.  I'd get out the tweezers and go a hunting 
for ticks!  As soon as the tick is removed, the dog will be mobile again.
   
  Beverly

Day Sutton  wrote: 
  

One of my "Guys", a Bernese Mountain Dog male, about 120 lbs. Had trouble 
getting ujp last week.  His rear end wouldn't respond.   Now the front end 
won't move for him either.   Someone said it could be MS.  I read on this list 
in the past that a 200 lb man cured his MS by drinking a gallon per day.  I 
also read that dmso will help regrow the mylein.   This is a sweet dog, and I 
really hate to lose him 

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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Beverly
RAW honey also draws out the poison.


I have had good results with the bitters being able to draw out the poison 
from the bite that is causing the reaction. 
  
> How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite received
> yesterday afternoon while walking through my yard? I've dabbed some on a
> couple of times but it isn't helping.


   
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RE: CS>Spider Bite, Poisonous insect bites

2007-08-28 Thread Carlos P�rez

Hello, Diane,

Is what you call Plaintain the banana family plant (Musaceae)?

If so, we have them everywhere in our country.

Carlos



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Subject: CS>Spider Bite, Poisonous insect bites
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:02:06 EDT

For any poisonous insect  bite, I have done the following
Wash area with clean water and soap, if the bite just happened and you have
time.
Apply cold compress on person , in meantime making a poultice or 
fomentation

from Plaintain, then apply
   it over  the bite area. Leave on this area till swelling and all 
redness

gone.

For Brown Recluse Spider bites, I would use the Plantain fomenation 
combined

with Echinacea TIncture and  Calendula ointment if  you have until skin
healed.If you cannot make the fomentation, I would use the tinctures only  
over the

bite area.

Orally , I would take Echinacea Tincture , plaintain tincture, and cohosh
tincture. Watch person for chills, fever, etd, and if so, then Horsetail
Tincture.

I was with someone that was bitten by a snake, and I had him take the whole
bottle of  Ecinacea Tincture.

I live in Florida where snakes are common, so I keep these on me at all 
times

when I am outside.

Hope this helps some.
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CS>Spider Bite, Poisonous insect bites

2007-08-28 Thread Teddyberen
For any poisonous insect  bite, I have done the following
Wash area with clean water and soap, if the bite just happened and you have 
time.
Apply cold compress on person , in meantime making a poultice or fomentation 
from Plaintain, then apply
   it over  the bite area. Leave on this area till swelling and all redness 
gone.
 
For Brown Recluse Spider bites, I would use the Plantain fomenation combined 
with Echinacea TIncture and  Calendula ointment if  you have until skin 
healed.If you cannot make the fomentation, I would use the tinctures only  over 
the 
bite area. 
 
Orally , I would take Echinacea Tincture , plaintain tincture, and cohosh 
tincture. Watch person for chills, fever, etd, and if so, then Horsetail 
Tincture.  
 
I was with someone that was bitten by a snake, and I had him take the whole 
bottle of  Ecinacea Tincture. 
 
I live in Florida where snakes are common, so I keep these on me at all times 
when I am outside.
 
Hope this helps some.
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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Meggan Gaumer
Ive been using a combination of CS/Swedish bitters for bites. Though I
believe in the power of the silver, I have had good results with the
bitters being able to draw out the poison from the bite that is
causing the reaction. I usually do this as a compress on the area of
the bite, for several hours at a time. It can tend to dry the skin out
where you use it, but some coconut oil seems to remedy that quickly.

some form of Swedish bitters can be purchased at almost any health
food store, though I order the herbs and then soak them. Ive found its
a great natural addition to things like the colloidal silver and such.
it has aloe and camphor and all sorts of good stuff! as with anything
ck ingredients if you have allergies, but so far Ive had great luck
with it epically for things like bites.

I know this isn't exactly what your asking for, as for amount Id say
don't dab...soak it, or soak a cloth and then leave the cloth on for
awhile (like a compress)

If you do try the bitters or using a compress of CS Id love to hear
how the results turn out
Love and light
Meg'gan

On 8/28/07, faith gagne  wrote:
>
>
> How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite received
> yesterday afternoon while walking through my yard?  I've dabbed some on a
> couple of times but it isn't helping.


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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread bbanever
Faith,

 To to brownrecluses.com and get their first aid kit.  Works great for 
spider and bee bites... secret is the plantain, lobelia, comfrey and echinacea 
along with activated charcoal... all appled topically.  It has never failed 
me... usually within one to three days. 

 Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:08 PM
  Subject: CS>Spider bite


  How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite received 
yesterday afternoon while walking through my yard?  I've dabbed some on a 
couple of times but it isn't helping.

  By the way Wayne, thanks for your support.

  Faith

Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Day Sutton
On 8/28/07, Day Sutton  wrote:
>
>
>
> One of my "Guys", a Bernese Mountain Dog male, about 120 lbs. Had trouble
> getting ujp last week.  His rear end wouldn't respond.   Now the front end
> won't move for him either.   Someone said it could be MS.  I read on this
> list in the past that a 200 lb man cured his MS by drinking a gallon of
> CS per day.  I also read that dmso will help regrow the mylein.   This is a
> sweet dog, and I really hate to lose him any suggestions are welcome
>
> --
> Day Sutton
> day.sut...@gmail.com




-- 
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Re: CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread Day Sutton
One of my "Guys", a Bernese Mountain Dog male, about 120 lbs. Had trouble
getting ujp last week.  His rear end wouldn't respond.   Now the front end
won't move for him either.   Someone said it could be MS.  I read on this
list in the past that a 200 lb man cured his MS by drinking a gallon per
day.  I also read that dmso will help regrow the mylein.   This is a sweet
dog, and I really hate to lose him

-- 
Day Sutton
day.sut...@gmail.com


RE: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread ruth strackbein
Thanks, Ransley.  Guess I have the same feeling about all the things I have 
done.  It is hard to keep track of what intervention really helped and I 
can't afford to keep up with everything.  I will check out the Magnascent.  
I really do think my thyroid is underactive from my symptoms, but the 
medical Dr. says not according to the numbers from the tests and I have now 
had the entire battery.  On the other hand, if the doc would try to treat 
it, the meds he would use might well work against me.  I would wonder about 
thyroid prescriptions.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "ransley" 
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To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Iodine
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:18:29 -0400

Ruth wrote:
>Is there an iodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works for any
of you?<

Magnascent has been incredibly stimulating to my entire system. It has
literally made my thyroid gland feel like it's crawling around in my 
throat.

I have to back off if it every once in a while because of that.

It has given me strength and stamina like nothing else has, BUT, I've 
taken,

done, take and do so many things that all those things may have just paved
the way for my results.

Many things that have happened to me from taking Magnascent can be 
explained

by endocrine system stimulation, but the one thing I am at a loss to
understand is why it made my knees so much stronger.

Daddybob

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CS>Spider bite

2007-08-28 Thread faith gagne
How much colloidal silver do I need to apply to a spider bite received 
yesterday afternoon while walking through my yard?  I've dabbed some on a 
couple of times but it isn't helping.

By the way Wayne, thanks for your support.

Faith

Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread leslie
I need to check that website again as I tried what is in the message but 
couldn't get it to come up. Will you please tell again? By the way, I knew a 
Tofflemire from Florida (jacksonville I think). Are you related?


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Tel Tofflemire" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine



RE: Iodine, I sell the same Lugols Iodine as Dr. Clark
does, and I am trained by her as to doseage, I buy my
lugols from Clarkston in San Diego, but I get a get
price because I buy 4 gallons at a time.
Check our htto://www.quailwoodherbal.com for price and
size.  This is made to take inturnelay in small
amouns.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
--- leslie  wrote:


I think you can still buy but in small quantities.
You might check with
Eidon Minerals in Ca. as he sells in 2 oz.
quantities and is very nice and
informative. His is Potassium Iodide. I have some
Lugol's which I got in
right at the deadline! Still trying to figure how
much we would be safe in
taking, etc. I don't know of anyone who has died
from taking it. Most take
from 2 to 4 drops; guess that is why. I heard they
did the control thing
because it is being used in Meth labs. A funny thing
to me was when I went
to the hardware store and asked for Lye as that
opens up drain lines well,
and she told me it was taken off the market! I asked
why and she said
because they were using in the Meth labs. Can you
imagine people ingesting
LYE?? No wonder they go out of their minds.
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


> Well, no, they don't talk about that around here.
I thought you have to
> have a prescription- is that right?
>
> I think I would like to have some.  Did you know
that birds need it too? I
> used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a
supplement for iodine.
>
> Kathryn C.
>
> On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:
>
>> Hi Wayne.
>>
>> Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI)
pills dispensed by your
>> town government?
>>
>> The town that I live in is dispensing two
potassium iodide pills to each
>> resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the
nuclear plant about 25
>> miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got
yours?
>>
>>
>
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Re: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread M. G. Devour
[Laurel and Hardy act... snipped!!

Maryann writes:
>  OK -- that cracked me up!!!  :-D  Sounds like our own personal
> version of Who's On First!!!  MA 

Hi everybody!

Let's see if maybe Ken, Charles, Wayne and Simon and whomever else is 
participating in the ozone generator debate, the miracle mineral 
thread, and whatever other nitpicking festivals that're going on can 
please retire those topics before you drive everybody crazy?

There's more reading and writing going on than communicating and 
understanding. I think you can do better.  

As near as I can tell, a couple grand can get you a very nice, safe, 
well controlled and durable ozone generator. You can also scratch build 
or modify and adapt something much cheaper and simpler, if you're handy 
enough and have the time to spend doing it. Not everybody does, 
however. At some point two grand might be a good value.

Meanwhile, y'all report back when you have some personal results with 
that oxygen supplement, okay? Then we'll have more to talk about. I've 
downloaded the first part of the e-book but haven't had a chance to 
crack it yet. 

Welcome to Jen and any other new members who are lurking. Please chime 
in with your questions. The group is happy to talk about the main 
subject, colloidal silver, whenever anybody asks them to! Let us know 
what more you'd like to know about.  

Thank you, all.

Be well,

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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella


http://www.quailwoodherbal.com/

- Original Message - 
From: "Tel Tofflemire" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine



--- Tel ToTofflemire teltoffyahoo.com> wrote:
Let me correct my mistakes please, (never hurry) ,
Plus I will be off line for about 5 days on vacation,,
You may respond to my web site I will answer.


RE: Iodine, I sell the same LuLugolsodine as Dr.
Clark
does, and I am trained by her as to dodosageI buy
my
lulugolsrom ClClarkstonn San Diego, but I get a good
price because I buy 4 gallons at a time.
Check our http://.quailwoodherbacom for price
and size.  This is made to take ininternally in

small

amamounts
Tel ToTofflemire>

Dewey, AZ

--- leleslielelesli...@wiwindstreamet> wrote:

> I think you can still buy but in small quantities.
> You might check with
> EiEidoninerals in Ca. as he sells in 2 oz.
> quantities and is very nice and
> informative. His is Potassium Iodide. I have some
> LuLugol'shich I got in
> right at the deadline! Still trying to figure how
> much we would be safe in
> taking, etc. I don't know of anyone who has died
> from taking it. Most take
> from 2 to 4 drops; guess that is why. I heard they
> did the control thing
> because it is being used in MeMethabs. A funny
thing
> to me was when I went
> to the hardware store and asked for Lye as that
> opens up drain lines well,
> and she told me it was taken off the market! I
asked
> why and she said
> because they were using in the MeMethabs. Can you
> imagine people ingesting
> LYE?? No wonder they go out of their minds.
> Leslie
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Clayton Family" 

> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Iodine
>
>
> > Well, no, they don't talk about that around
here.
> I thought you have to
> > have a prescription- is that right?
> >
> > I think I would like to have some.  Did you know
> that birds need it too? I
> > used to have to give my birds "FeFeatherGlo a
> supplement for iodine.
> >
> > Kathryn C.
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagagnerote:
> >
> >> Hi Wayne.
> >>
> >> Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI)
> pills dispensed by your
> >> town government?
> >>
> >> The town that I live in is dispensing two
> potassium iodide pills to each
> >> resident in the event of a nuclear problem at
the
> nuclear plant about 25
> >> miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got
> yours?
> >>
> >>
> >
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CS>Test - new member

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
I THINK I have figured out and solved my problem.  This is my work computer and 
recently our server switched their system to supposedly be bigger, better, 
etc  For some reason my own email addy was listed as a "blocked sender".  
Sorry for any confusion or aggravation I may have caused.  Maybe one or three 
of y'all got a chuckle from my "dimness".

- Original Message - 
From: Ruth Bertella 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: CS>Test - new member


I'm not sure if I need to send you all an apology or not.  I tried sending 3 
different messages to the list.  Leslie responded to one of them, but I never 
received any of them in my own inbox.  So, I went to my "sent folder" and tried 
to resend them.   While waiting to see if they would go through to the whole 
list, I went to my "Deleted Items" folder to look for something else.  Believe 
it or not, ALL of my messages were in my Deleted Items folder, but I didn't 
delete them because they never came through to my inbox (ALL six - the first 
three and the three resends!).  I'm soo sorry if y'all had to be bothered 
with these twice (if you even got em).  The first ones may have only gone to 
the person who sent the post I responded to.  Don't know if anyone has a clue 
on this, but help would be much appreciated.

Thanks (I'm not trying to be a bother!)
Ruth

Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Tel Tofflemire
--- Tel ToTofflemire teltoffyahoo.com> wrote:
Let me correct my mistakes please, (never hurry) ,
Plus I will be off line for about 5 days on vacation,,
You may respond to my web site I will answer.

> RE: Iodine, I sell the same LuLugolsodine as Dr.
> Clark
> does, and I am trained by her as to dodosageI buy
> my
> lulugolsrom ClClarkstonn San Diego, but I get a good
> price because I buy 4 gallons at a time.
> Check our http://.quailwoodherbacom for price
> and size.  This is made to take ininternally in
small
> amamounts
> Tel ToTofflemire>
 Dewey, AZ
> --- leleslielelesli...@wiwindstreamet> wrote:
> 
> > I think you can still buy but in small quantities.
> > You might check with 
> > EiEidoninerals in Ca. as he sells in 2 oz.
> > quantities and is very nice and 
> > informative. His is Potassium Iodide. I have some
> > LuLugol'shich I got in 
> > right at the deadline! Still trying to figure how
> > much we would be safe in 
> > taking, etc. I don't know of anyone who has died
> > from taking it. Most take 
> > from 2 to 4 drops; guess that is why. I heard they
> > did the control thing 
> > because it is being used in MeMethabs. A funny
> thing
> > to me was when I went 
> > to the hardware store and asked for Lye as that
> > opens up drain lines well, 
> > and she told me it was taken off the market! I
> asked
> > why and she said 
> > because they were using in the MeMethabs. Can you
> > imagine people ingesting 
> > LYE?? No wonder they go out of their minds.
> > Leslie
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Clayton Family" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Iodine
> > 
> > 
> > > Well, no, they don't talk about that around
> here.
> > I thought you have to 
> > > have a prescription- is that right?
> > >
> > > I think I would like to have some.  Did you know
> > that birds need it too? I 
> > > used to have to give my birds "FeFeatherGlo a
> > supplement for iodine.
> > >
> > > Kathryn C.
> > >
> > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagagnerote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Wayne.
> > >>
> > >> Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI)
> > pills dispensed by your 
> > >> town government?
> > >>
> > >> The town that I live in is dispensing two
> > potassium iodide pills to each 
> > >> resident in the event of a nuclear problem at
> the
> > nuclear plant about 25 
> > >> miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got
> > yours?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Tel Tofflemire
RE: Iodine, I sell the same Lugols Iodine as Dr. Clark
does, and I am trained by her as to doseage, I buy my
lugols from Clarkston in San Diego, but I get a get
price because I buy 4 gallons at a time.
Check our htto://www.quailwoodherbal.com for price and
size.  This is made to take inturnelay in small
amouns.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
--- leslie  wrote:

> I think you can still buy but in small quantities.
> You might check with 
> Eidon Minerals in Ca. as he sells in 2 oz.
> quantities and is very nice and 
> informative. His is Potassium Iodide. I have some
> Lugol's which I got in 
> right at the deadline! Still trying to figure how
> much we would be safe in 
> taking, etc. I don't know of anyone who has died
> from taking it. Most take 
> from 2 to 4 drops; guess that is why. I heard they
> did the control thing 
> because it is being used in Meth labs. A funny thing
> to me was when I went 
> to the hardware store and asked for Lye as that
> opens up drain lines well, 
> and she told me it was taken off the market! I asked
> why and she said 
> because they were using in the Meth labs. Can you
> imagine people ingesting 
> LYE?? No wonder they go out of their minds.
> Leslie
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Clayton Family" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Iodine
> 
> 
> > Well, no, they don't talk about that around here.
> I thought you have to 
> > have a prescription- is that right?
> >
> > I think I would like to have some.  Did you know
> that birds need it too? I 
> > used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a
> supplement for iodine.
> >
> > Kathryn C.
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Wayne.
> >>
> >> Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI)
> pills dispensed by your 
> >> town government?
> >>
> >> The town that I live in is dispensing two
> potassium iodide pills to each 
> >> resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the
> nuclear plant about 25 
> >> miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got
> yours?
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Re: CS>New member

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
Let's see if this post will work correctly for me this time

Four or five (or maybe more) years ago I bought a Silver Puppy generator for 
about +/- $125, can't remember the exact cost.  About three years ago I bought 
one plus some extra silver wires for my mother (she has since passed away and I 
now have two).  The original still works great (as does the 2nd one)!!  It's 
VERY easy to use and any questions were quickly answered.  I wouldn't trade 
mine for anything  I THINK the site is silverypuppy.com.  I've been off 
this forum for over two years and it seems to operate a little different, but 
know for a fact Ode Coyote is the one I got them from so he can correct the web 
address if I remembered it wrong.  Happy CS making!

Ruth

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jen Longshaw 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 12:42 PM
  Subject: CS>New member


  Hi

  I've just joined this list. My name is Jen and I live in New Zealand. Have 
used colloidal silver on and off for the past couple of years with some good 
results. In particular I want to put it in my pets' drinking water to maintain 
good health. I have come to the big decision to buy my own generator but I am 
not too sure what I should be looking for. Is expensive better? So many 
manufacturers make huge claims and I'm becoming confused. Hope you can help.

  Jen


CS>Re: ozone generators

2007-08-28 Thread Simon Jester
As in: This O3 is different than that O3because it doesn't 
have NOX products and byproducts mixed in it.
 Well DUH!  That's an entirely different subject.  The "O3" is 
exactly the same.


Ode, this is getting tiring...

I NEVER SAID THE OZONE WAS DIFFERENT, AND YOU KNOW IT.


If there is no Nitrogen present, it doesn't matter how you do it.
It's still O3 and doesn't have any NOX stuff mixed in.
The *NEXT* subject is about to regulating concentration.
...and the ***next*** , which methods are the most advantageous, for 
whatever reasons.

...and so on.


I have never disagreed with any of this either - I have simply disagreed 
with your claims that there is zero difference between the different 
methods of producing ozone, or that there is any benefit in buying one 
of the higher priced cold plasma machines - that, and your baseless 
attacks on the character of a man you never knew...


Shall I quote you? This is what started this whole ridiculous argument:

Baiting me to make me mad doesn't work, nor does switching arguments 
midstream to make contradictions look like a win.


Well then its a good thing I'm not the one thats been doing that.. YOU 
are - and again, you KNOW it.



I'm not fighting.  I don't care about winning.


Rght... you only care about trying to make yourself 
look smarter than you are.


My assertion is that you can access any of the methods pretty cheap 
and adjust *operation* to get what you want out of them.  Just pick 
one or some combination of them and learn how to use it.  Some may be 
easier to set up properly and some may last longer than others, but 
O3 is still O3.  *Byproducts* of making O3 wrong, is NOT O3, but the 
O3 *portion* of all that is STILL O3.


And when dealing with a highly volatile gas like ozone, 'messing around' 
with it like this could KILL YOU.


Again - is it physically possible for someone to do all of this 
themselves? Depends on the knowledge, skills and motivation of the 
individual - in many cases, the asnwer would be a resounding NO.



 If you don't want to, that's another subject again.


False dichotomy... as I said, some people are not mentally or otherwise 
CAPABLE of building a medical grade ozone generator on their own, 
REGARDLESS of how much time or effort they may be willing to spend.


You seem to be casually dismissing this as something akin to 'childs 
play' - I assure you, it is NOT.


Being told you can't?   I don't like hearing that even if Tesla "sez 
" so.


No one said *you* can't - why is it that I feel like I'm repeating 
myself? Oh - because I AM.


He was an infallible genius and you aren't and never can even begin 
to understand what this is Allah bout, so buy "this"... and 
defend your decision like it was a religion simply because you were 
"taken" for a few thousand bucks and won't admit it to yourself for 
fear of feeling like a fool.

 [Straight from the con mans Bible]


Ode, you just went over the edge. You, sir, are the worst kind of scum - 
a liar that will say just about anything to try to maintain his 'legend 
in his own mind' status.


Want me to back up my claim that you are a liar?

Read your last comment... then go back and read the previous posts where 
you accuse me of this (I think two or three times), and each time, I 
make it very plain that I have NO illusions about Tesla being some kind 
of 'infallible genious' or god - these are your words, originated solely 
by you, which you have tried more than once to inject as mine.


who thinks that *transmitting energy, free* [made by burning 
trainload after trainload of coal in his own private power plant to

go virtually nowhere ]


Thats the second time you've made a reference to this, but I don't 
find anything online about it... maybe you'd do better to post 
evidence, than just name-call...



Hey Dude, you brought it up as a comeback "flame"


Flame? Sorry you took it that way - it was a joke, really...


and the facts make it a backfire.


What facts? You seem to think your mere pronouncements are facts - 
newsflash: they aren't.


I implied that sales people use the name of Tesla to divert readers 
from using common senseand they do.


Some do, yes - but your implication was not just that 'some sales people 
use his name', your implication was that this somehow acts to discredit 
Tesla himself.


Tesla may very well have been the ultimate charlatan - but not one thing 
you have said has lent any support to such a position whatsoever.


And Dennis Lee makes em all look shabby at it.  If you want a REAL 
"show", go see him.


I agree - so what? What the hell does the fact that a con-man like 
Dennis Lee plays on the 'legendary' aspect of Teslas name have to do 
with Tesla himself, or his ozone generator design?


If you want the truth told straight, go where Tesla isn't mentioned 
and the facts aren't buried under a name with many different 
irrelevant headings "designed" to confuse the issues.


Ok - I have repeatedl

Re: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Evening MA,

> I know you never do.

 Count on you to resort to sarcasm and snide remarks, Wayne.  Was that 
really necessary?  MA


  Heck, I was kidding and thought I was telling the truth.

Some of you people have a chip on your shoulder.

And. you will say that was not necessary also.  

Wayne

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RE: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread ransley
Ruth wrote: 
>Is there an iodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works for any
of you?<

Magnascent has been incredibly stimulating to my entire system. It has
literally made my thyroid gland feel like it's crawling around in my throat.
I have to back off if it every once in a while because of that.

It has given me strength and stamina like nothing else has, BUT, I've taken,
done, take and do so many things that all those things may have just paved
the way for my results.

Many things that have happened to me from taking Magnascent can be explained
by endocrine system stimulation, but the one thing I am at a loss to
understand is why it made my knees so much stronger.

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RE: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Dan,

>> At 03:08 PM 8/28/2007, you wrote:


Please check the link in your signature file.  As someone said before, it 
goes to some Spanish group.Please actually use it to go to the site...


  It has always worked.  Others have reported the Spanish site.
But the link, somehow, has always worked.

Maybe Yahoo got mixed up.

I see you got there had have been approved.  Maybe two of us did it.

Wayne


CS>Test - new member

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
I'm not sure if I need to send you all an apology or not.  I tried sending 3 
different messages to the list.  Leslie responded to one of them, but I never 
received any of them in my own inbox.  So, I went to my "sent folder" and tried 
to resend them.   While waiting to see if they would go through to the whole 
list, I went to my "Deleted Items" folder to look for something else.  Believe 
it or not, ALL of my messages were in my Deleted Items folder, but I didn't 
delete them because they never came through to my inbox (ALL six - the first 
three and the three resends!).  I'm soo sorry if y'all had to be bothered 
with these twice (if you even got em).  The first ones may have only gone to 
the person who sent the post I responded to.  Don't know if anyone has a clue 
on this, but help would be much appreciated.

Thanks (I'm not trying to be a bother!)
Ruth

CS>Request to join MDI_News

2007-08-28 Thread Dan Nave
Weird, Wayne,

When I search for MDI_News I get the following:

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But when I actually subscribed, I got to the right list...

Your link gives the following:

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>>If you are a member of this group,  please be aware that you may only 
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Fw: CS>What is FREE, not much.

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
Second try on 3rd message (forgot to reference second try on 2nd one sent). 
I AM blonde, but.  gettin older ain't helpin much either I guess...


LOL
Ruth
- Original Message - 
From: "Ruth Bertella" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: CS>What is FREE, not much.


LOL   Well, I just sent him a quick email to request a free or reduced 
price e-book download, so we'll see what happens.


- Original Message - 
From: "faith gagne" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>What is FREE, not much.


Who said anything about the worth of part 2?  Or any other part?  Just 
don't say something is free when it isn't.




- Original Message - 
From: "CWFugitt" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: CS>What is FREE, not much.



At 03:30 PM 8/26/2007, you wrote:

I looked at this site out of curiosity. 
http://www.miraclemineral.org/


The author goes on abut how FREE it is and how important it is that we 
pass it on to the rest of the world, FREE.   That is just wonderful. But 
the book comes in 2 parts and there is a charge


  Ten dollars is FREE.  It is worth much more.

After reading part 1, I would have sent him ten or 20 dollars, if there 
was no part 2.



for the 2nd part.That is NOT free.

If someone wants to charge for something, that is one thing, but don't 
go on about how free it is.


  The material is virtually free it is so cheap.

This stuff was used in the  40's to cure virtually all disease in
cattle.   Ten Dollars ?

Just what does one want for nickle these days ?  


   He also said some of that money goes to the Africa Fund.

I could give part 2 to anyone, but I won't.  If they don't think it is 
worth ten dollars, .. I will let them stay in the dark about 
this.


Wayne



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CS>teeth sensitivity

2007-08-28 Thread marmar845

> I had an "aha" moment one day and started swishing CS in my mouth for several 
> minutes at a time a couple times a day (if I remembered).  This "aha" moment 
> came to me sometime after the Christmas and New Year holidays.  I returned to 
> the dentist in February this year and lo and behold - my "pockets" around my 
> rear left molars had decreased from 5mm deep to 3mm deep.  The dentist was in 
> shock and claims not to have seen this before.  I told him what I'd been 
> doing, but he just kind of blew me off.

 I experienced the same thing Ruth -- with the same reaction from my 
dentist.  But I didn't tell him about Colloidal Silver -- figured he'd blow me 
off just like your dentist did.  I just told him that I'd been diligent about 
flossing, etc. -- and let him wonder about the rest.  :-)  MA


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Fw: CS>teeth sensitivity

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella

- Original Message - 
From: Ruth Bertella 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>teeth sensitivity


Over a year ago I was diagnosed with gum disease - the dentist pulled some of 
what they called very bad teeth that I was about to lose (they said), put me on 
some antibiotics, then fitted me with an upper partial.  I have been making my 
own CS for several years (btw, I still LOVE my 'lil silver puppy generator - 
it's going strong!), but I haven't been on this forum for over a year until 
rejoining last week.

I had an "aha" moment one day and started swishing CS in my mouth for several 
minutes at a time a couple times a day (if I remembered).  This "aha" moment 
came to me sometime after the Christmas and New Year holidays.  I returned to 
the dentist in February this year and lo and behold - my "pockets" around my 
rear left molars had decreased from 5mm deep to 3mm deep.  The dentist was in 
shock and claims not to have seen this before.  I told him what I'd been doing, 
but he just kind of blew me off.

I have an appointment for tomorrow, so I'll let y'all know if there has been 
any additional improvement.  I'm not a very regimented person, so I don't 
follow any real routine but I do try to "swish" several minutes at least once a 
day.

I'm writing this because of all the notes y'all have been sending on 
toothpastes.  Would it help me more to switch to non-normal brands, and if so, 
would you be so kind as to suggest a couple that are easily obtained and not 
overly expensive?  Thanks in advance!!

Ruth

P/S - My sensitivity has also lessened since I've been "swishing"  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ransley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:36 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>teeth sensitivity


  By the time I was 45 (53 now) my gums were receding. I was using K-nitrate 
toothpastes when I was in my late 30's. Dentist checked me every six months for 
receding gums and I got to 4 on scale of 10 in many places. It all stopped the 
day I started rinsing with CS over 7 years ago and he no longer checks me for 
receding gums. 

  I use NO commercial dentifrices. Lately, I'm experimenting with brushing my 
teeth with nothing but Hydrogen Peroxide, but only long enough to get them 
clean, not brushing hard, always the correct stroke direction, and rinse well. 
Once a week I add Diatomaceous Earth to the protocol for a thorough cleaning. I 
floss religiously at least 2 times a day and keep "Brushpicks" with me every 
where I go.

  NONE of this info came from my dentist. He can barely keep from rolling his 
eyes if I tell him what I'm doing. He has never admitted that what I'm doing is 
working, but he knows better than to mention flouride to me. If you want good 
dental health never use a commercial dentifrice again.

  I do use J&J Reach flosses, both rope and tape. Both have "Cleanpaste" on 
them and I despise that but I can't find another floss that works for me. If 
anyone knows of a rope floss with nothing on it, and a non-teflon tape floss 
with nothing on it, I sure would like to know.

  Daddybob


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Fw: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
Second try...  I have 2 more that don't seem to have gone through either. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Ruth Bertella" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Sorry if I'm being redundant from past posts, but I just rejoined the 
list. Is there an idodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works 
for any of you?


Thanks again!
Ruth

- Original Message - 
From: "leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


It depends on what all is in it. I am on an iodine list where I get my 
info but still have questions. When you check the groups there are 
several re thyroid care also. Mostly I think if Lugol's that their 
solution is in purified water instead of alcohol so just maybe that is 
the reason you might be able to take your two drops. I have been trying 
to find out myself so now I just take a cotton qtip and paint some on an 
area unseen. That is always safe.


Oh, were you the one who responded to me some time back and said you 
would write me personally? If so my email is leslie1...@windstream.net 
any time.
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Feather Glo is an oral iodine supplement- I had a parakeet that had a 
goiter which resolved after giving  him this. It makes me wonder if I 
could drink it too. It has iodine and potassium iodine.


On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, leslie wrote:

By the way, what is feather glo? I'll bet you can still buy at the pet 
store. I got the regular Iodine Tincture at KV Pet. If interested I'll 
get you the website or 800 number. They also have cleanses very 
reasonable (nutritional products).


Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Well, no, they don't talk about that around here. I thought you have 
to have a prescription- is that right?


I think I would like to have some.  Did you know that birds need it 
too? I used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a supplement for 
iodine.


Kathryn C.

On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:


Hi Wayne.

Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI) pills dispensed by 
your town government?


The town that I live in is dispensing two potassium iodide pills to 
each resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the nuclear plant 
about 25 miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got yours?



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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
Wow...  I think I sent this incorrectly.  Thought I'd sent it to the whole 
list, but I haven't seen it yet, but now Leslie is responding.  When I want 
to reply, should I click "Reply All"?


Ruth
- Original Message - 
From: "leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


I had a goiter caused by underactive thyroid which the doctor didn't even 
know that, but it is smaller since I have been doing the iodine.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ruth Bertella" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Sorry if I'm being redundant from past posts, but I just rejoined the 
list. Is there an idodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works 
for any of you?


Thanks again!
Ruth

- Original Message - 
From: "leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


It depends on what all is in it. I am on an iodine list where I get my 
info but still have questions. When you check the groups there are 
several re thyroid care also. Mostly I think if Lugol's that their 
solution is in purified water instead of alcohol so just maybe that is 
the reason you might be able to take your two drops. I have been trying 
to find out myself so now I just take a cotton qtip and paint some on an 
area unseen. That is always safe.


Oh, were you the one who responded to me some time back and said you 
would write me personally? If so my email is leslie1...@windstream.net 
any time.
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Feather Glo is an oral iodine supplement- I had a parakeet that had a 
goiter which resolved after giving  him this. It makes me wonder if I 
could drink it too. It has iodine and potassium iodine.


On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, leslie wrote:

By the way, what is feather glo? I'll bet you can still buy at the pet 
store. I got the regular Iodine Tincture at KV Pet. If interested I'll 
get you the website or 800 number. They also have cleanses very 
reasonable (nutritional products).


Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Well, no, they don't talk about that around here. I thought you have 
to have a prescription- is that right?


I think I would like to have some.  Did you know that birds need it 
too? I used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a supplement for 
iodine.


Kathryn C.

On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:


Hi Wayne.

Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI) pills dispensed by 
your town government?


The town that I live in is dispensing two potassium iodide pills to 
each resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the nuclear plant 
about 25 miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got yours?



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RE: CS>Mountains and molehills... can't we let our words be counted?

2007-08-28 Thread Faith Saint Francis

Thought I wuzzin  ey Koloyda'lZilfa Forrem.
 
Nau ai c wudz been thrown tu 'n fru.
 
Let yer words be counted, lads, (Maria Montessori)
 
In yer mouth, yer dee mastah
 
Outta yer mouth, yer dee slave. (wisdom from the Netherlands Antilles)
FaithStFrancis
--dumbfounded by the fall of the level--> From: marmar...@bellsouth.net> To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: CS>Mountains and molehills...> Date: Tue, 28 
Aug 2007 13:15:34 -0500> > > > > OK -- that cracked me up!!! :-D Sounds 
like our own personal > > >version of Who's On First!!! MA> > > Easy now 
... sometimes the smartest of us get confused,> > that includes me and 
Dan.> > > I know you never do.> >  Count on you to resort to sarcasm and 
snide remarks, Wayne. Was that really necessary? MA> > > --> The Silver List is 
a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.> > Instructions for 
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RE: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread Dan Nave
Wayne,
 
Please check the link in your signature file.  As someone said before,
it goes to some Spanish group.
Please actually use it to go to the site...
 
I have a yahoogroups account.  I would like to go there directly.

What is the correct name of the group?
 
I have read the first section.
 
Thanks,
 
Dan



From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Mountains and molehills...


Evening Dan,



What are you talking about?


   The MDI list about MMS.  Sorry I did not make that clear.
Many people around the country are very interested in it.

It has some interesting chemistry.   Some say it is dangerous and would
not take it.  

You can download the book, Part 1 Free.
Part 2 cost ten dollars.  That was what Faith was talking about not
being free.

Part one reads like an adventure story where a gold miner goes to
Africa.  He uses his  stabilized oxygen he took  for purifying water
to make some people better and  became interested in further study and
experimentation.

I though you knew are I would not have been so indefinite.

Try part one.  It is interesting.  The link in my signature file will
get you to the source and the other link will subscribe to the list.

Wayne
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CS>Re: ozone generators

2007-08-28 Thread Simon Jester
It's the difference between gasoline and alcohol fuels that's being 
made out to be the difference between cars.


No, its the difference between an electric car and a gasoline powered car.

The tubes, etc are DIFFERENT between a cold plasma and a UV ozone generator.

THEY ARE DIFFERENT. Repeat after me... THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

Just because they both 'produce ozone' (aka 'they both get you from 
point a to point b') doesn't mean they are producing it the exact same 
way - similar, yes, but NOT THE SAME.


And I assure you that you could *not* easily build a cold plasma ozone 
generator of the quality that Saul builds for less than what he sells 
them for.


Note, I didn't say you couldn't, I said you couldn't do it *easily*. By 
that I mean, it would probably take you weeks, if not MONTHS to learn 
what you need to learn - and thats assuming you already acknowledge that 
you *don't* already know it. You would have to first overcome the 
handicap of *thinking* you know more about the subject than you actually 
do. Since I'm assuming you are actually smarter than you have resembled 
during this discussion, you would probably admit this fairly quickly, 
once you actually started the attempt.



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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread leslie
I had a goiter caused by underactive thyroid which the doctor didn't even 
know that, but it is smaller since I have been doing the iodine.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ruth Bertella" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Sorry if I'm being redundant from past posts, but I just rejoined the 
list. Is there an idodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works 
for any of you?


Thanks again!
Ruth

- Original Message - 
From: "leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


It depends on what all is in it. I am on an iodine list where I get my 
info but still have questions. When you check the groups there are 
several re thyroid care also. Mostly I think if Lugol's that their 
solution is in purified water instead of alcohol so just maybe that is 
the reason you might be able to take your two drops. I have been trying 
to find out myself so now I just take a cotton qtip and paint some on an 
area unseen. That is always safe.


Oh, were you the one who responded to me some time back and said you 
would write me personally? If so my email is leslie1...@windstream.net 
any time.
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Feather Glo is an oral iodine supplement- I had a parakeet that had a 
goiter which resolved after giving  him this. It makes me wonder if I 
could drink it too. It has iodine and potassium iodine.


On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, leslie wrote:

By the way, what is feather glo? I'll bet you can still buy at the pet 
store. I got the regular Iodine Tincture at KV Pet. If interested I'll 
get you the website or 800 number. They also have cleanses very 
reasonable (nutritional products).


Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Well, no, they don't talk about that around here. I thought you have 
to have a prescription- is that right?


I think I would like to have some.  Did you know that birds need it 
too? I used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a supplement for 
iodine.


Kathryn C.

On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:


Hi Wayne.

Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI) pills dispensed by 
your town government?


The town that I live in is dispensing two potassium iodide pills to 
each resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the nuclear plant 
about 25 miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got yours?



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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
Sorry if I'm being redundant from past posts, but I just rejoined the list. 
Is there an idodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works for any 
of you?


Thanks again!
Ruth

- Original Message - 
From: "leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


It depends on what all is in it. I am on an iodine list where I get my 
info but still have questions. When you check the groups there are several 
re thyroid care also. Mostly I think if Lugol's that their solution is in 
purified water instead of alcohol so just maybe that is the reason you 
might be able to take your two drops. I have been trying to find out 
myself so now I just take a cotton qtip and paint some on an area unseen. 
That is always safe.


Oh, were you the one who responded to me some time back and said you would 
write me personally? If so my email is leslie1...@windstream.net any time.
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Feather Glo is an oral iodine supplement- I had a parakeet that had a 
goiter which resolved after giving  him this. It makes me wonder if I 
could drink it too. It has iodine and potassium iodine.


On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, leslie wrote:

By the way, what is feather glo? I'll bet you can still buy at the pet 
store. I got the regular Iodine Tincture at KV Pet. If interested I'll 
get you the website or 800 number. They also have cleanses very 
reasonable (nutritional products).


Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Well, no, they don't talk about that around here. I thought you have to 
have a prescription- is that right?


I think I would like to have some.  Did you know that birds need it 
too? I used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a supplement for 
iodine.


Kathryn C.

On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:


Hi Wayne.

Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI) pills dispensed by your 
town government?


The town that I live in is dispensing two potassium iodide pills to 
each resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the nuclear plant 
about 25 miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got yours?



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Re: CS>What is FREE, not much.

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
LOL   Well, I just sent him a quick email to request a free or reduced price 
e-book download, so we'll see what happens.


- Original Message - 
From: "faith gagne" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>What is FREE, not much.


Who said anything about the worth of part 2?  Or any other part?  Just 
don't say something is free when it isn't.




- Original Message - 
From: "CWFugitt" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: CS>What is FREE, not much.



At 03:30 PM 8/26/2007, you wrote:

I looked at this site out of curiosity. 
http://www.miraclemineral.org/


The author goes on abut how FREE it is and how important it is that we 
pass it on to the rest of the world, FREE.   That is just wonderful. But 
the book comes in 2 parts and there is a charge


  Ten dollars is FREE.  It is worth much more.

After reading part 1, I would have sent him ten or 20 dollars, if there 
was no part 2.



for the 2nd part.That is NOT free.

If someone wants to charge for something, that is one thing, but don't go 
on about how free it is.


  The material is virtually free it is so cheap.

This stuff was used in the  40's to cure virtually all disease in
cattle.   Ten Dollars ?

Just what does one want for nickle these days ?  


   He also said some of that money goes to the Africa Fund.

I could give part 2 to anyone, but I won't.  If they don't think it is 
worth ten dollars, .. I will let them stay in the dark about 
this.


Wayne



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Re: CS>teeth sensitivity

2007-08-28 Thread Ruth Bertella
Over a year ago I was diagnosed with gum disease - the dentist pulled some of 
what they called very bad teeth that I was about to lose (they said), put me on 
some antibiotics, then fitted me with an upper partial.  I have been making my 
own CS for several years (btw, I still LOVE my 'lil silver puppy generator - 
it's going strong!), but I haven't been on this forum for over a year until 
rejoining last week.

I had an "aha" moment one day and started swishing CS in my mouth for several 
minutes at a time a couple times a day (if I remembered).  This "aha" moment 
came to me sometime after the Christmas and New Year holidays.  I returned to 
the dentist in February this year and lo and behold - my "pockets" around my 
rear left molars had decreased from 5mm deep to 3mm deep.  The dentist was in 
shock and claims not to have seen this before.  I told him what I'd been doing, 
but he just kind of blew me off.

I have an appointment for tomorrow, so I'll let y'all know if there has been 
any additional improvement.  I'm not a very regimented person, so I don't 
follow any real routine but I do try to "swish" several minutes at least once a 
day.

I'm writing this because of all the notes y'all have been sending on 
toothpastes.  Would it help me more to switch to non-normal brands, and if so, 
would you be so kind as to suggest a couple that are easily obtained and not 
overly expensive?  Thanks in advance!!

Ruth

P/S - My sensitivity has also lessened since I've been "swishing"  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ransley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:36 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>teeth sensitivity


  By the time I was 45 (53 now) my gums were receding. I was using K-nitrate 
toothpastes when I was in my late 30's. Dentist checked me every six months for 
receding gums and I got to 4 on scale of 10 in many places. It all stopped the 
day I started rinsing with CS over 7 years ago and he no longer checks me for 
receding gums. 

  I use NO commercial dentifrices. Lately, I'm experimenting with brushing my 
teeth with nothing but Hydrogen Peroxide, but only long enough to get them 
clean, not brushing hard, always the correct stroke direction, and rinse well. 
Once a week I add Diatomaceous Earth to the protocol for a thorough cleaning. I 
floss religiously at least 2 times a day and keep "Brushpicks" with me every 
where I go.

  NONE of this info came from my dentist. He can barely keep from rolling his 
eyes if I tell him what I'm doing. He has never admitted that what I'm doing is 
working, but he knows better than to mention flouride to me. If you want good 
dental health never use a commercial dentifrice again.

  I do use J&J Reach flosses, both rope and tape. Both have "Cleanpaste" on 
them and I despise that but I can't find another floss that works for me. If 
anyone knows of a rope floss with nothing on it, and a non-teflon tape floss 
with nothing on it, I sure would like to know.

  Daddybob


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RE: CS>Re: Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread ransley
You're welcome. 

Yessiree folks, pow pow pow POWERFUL stuff!

Daddybob 

-Original Message-
From: Simon Jester [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: Iodine

This is admittedly one are where my knowledge is lacking, so hopefully
someone else with more knowledge will chime in...

The best form of iodine that I have found, thanks to 'ransley' (thank you
sir!) on another list, is something called magnascent. It is much more
potent and bio-available than Lugols, which is what I had been
using/recommending before...

http://www.magnascent.com

It is much more bio-available (so much less is needed), and still available
as far as I know...



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CS>MMS

2007-08-28 Thread Dee
Can anyone tell me where to buy this, and is it the same as stabilized oxygen? 
Dee  


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CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread marmar845

> > OK -- that cracked me up!!!  :-D  Sounds like our own personal 
> >version of Who's On First!!!  MA
 
>Easy now ...  sometimes the smartest of us get confused,
> that includes me and Dan.
 
> I know you never do.

 Count on you to resort to sarcasm and snide remarks, Wayne.  Was that 
really necessary?  MA


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CS>Technical Question for Ode

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Ode,

>> At 04:19 AM 8/28/2007, you wrote:
HummI've made a mess at 43 millivolts and currents so low I can't 
measure them. [took a while]


  What would you guess,  a few micro amps ?

Small Measurements

A research person, former NASA scientist, wants me to datalog
some current and wattage outputs from some oddball devices.

The current will be a few ma at most.

Most of my input modules have a 0 to 5 volt range.  I may be able to set it 
lower as they are relatively sophisticated and can be configured with 
software, . if you communicate with them.

( RS-485 communications )

I thought of using the Meter shunt principle to get some voltage reading, 
and then use the software to change this to watts, and then write the data 
files.


I use a 10,000 line C program that can do anything imaginable.

Was thinking  1 % resistors would be OK.

Don't want to buy genuine meter shunts of course.  I think I could make 
them, if I wanted to do so.  They are relatively simple as you know.  But 1 
% resistors are cheap and readily available.


Ode, Dan, or anyone else that has ideas... please tell me

Wayne
  



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Re: CS>New member

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt


I don't think anyone mentioned the file area to the new member.

I trust everyone has not forgotten the link.

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/

Many good files here for the beginner, and the advanced person as well.

Wayne
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Re: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt




 OK -- that cracked me up!!!  :-D  Sounds like our own personal 
version of Who's On First!!!  MA


  Easy now ...  sometimes the smartest of us get confused,
that includes me and Dan.

I know you never do.

What happened to the beginner that someone mentioned?

We need 100 questions.

Wayne


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RE: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Dan,

>> At 10:27 AM 8/28/2007, you wrote:


Top of the morning to you Wayne,
What are *you* talking about?

>Not sure who you are addressing with that statement.
The people arguing about what is free and what is not and who said what, 
and who said not, etc.

   We were not arguing, ... just talking and stating some opinion.
Finally, I agreed with Faith.


>How did you get so far behind ?   Sorry I let that happen.
What are you talking about?
>We have 50 members in about a week.
What are you talking about?


   The MDI list about MMS.  Sorry I did not make that clear.
Many people around the country are very interested in it.

It has some interesting chemistry.   Some say it is dangerous and would not 
take it.


You can download the book, Part 1 Free.
Part 2 cost ten dollars.  That was what Faith was talking about not being free.

Part one reads like an adventure story where a gold miner goes to 
Africa.  He uses his  stabilized oxygen he took  for purifying water
to make some people better and  became interested in further study and 
experimentation.


I though you knew are I would not have been so indefinite.

Try part one.  It is interesting.  The link in my signature file will get 
you to the source and the other link will subscribe to the list.


Wayne
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Re: CS>Re: ozone generators

2007-08-28 Thread Smitty
Ode:

>And which is a better car is a matter of
>opinion.I'll go with Honda, Toyota or Suzuki.

I might point out (if you didn't know) that there is a big differance
in engines in Toyota & Honda.
IF a timing belt breaks in the Toyota, it won't run.
IF a timing belt breaks in a Honda, the valves get bent & the engine
is history ! This from a Toyota mechanic friend.

Smitty

###



On 8/28/07, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> At 07:05 AM 8/27/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Ode,
> >I think that Simon did a good job in explaining the difference.  As to the
> >difference..a simple analogy and rebuttal to what's the difference.  As
> >you suggest, true enough, with enough time, money and techo know how,
> >one  can eventually turn a Honda   into aMercedes.
>
>
> ##  But the disagreement isn't between Hondas and Mercedes. Both are cars
> and do what cars do. [And which is a better car is a matter of
> opinion.I'll go with Honda, Toyota or Suzuki.  They'll go just as far
> at a tenth the cost. ]
> It's the difference between gasoline and alcohol fuels that's being made
> out to be the difference between cars.
>
> Simon did not explain the difference between generators, he explained the
> difference between end products when running similar generators
> differently...and did a good job.
> BUT
> Installing a cruise control doesn't make a car into a different car.It
> just makes it a little easier to drive. [You can spend less time on
> watching the speedometer and more time talking about nothing on a cell phone. 
> ]
> Crikey!  Now there are cars that tell you when you're about to hit
> something and also park themselves.  Drive that thing for a while and
> you'll forget how to walk and not bump into things. OK, so now you can pay
> $60,000 so you can drive with your eyes closed.  Yee Haww!
> ..but can you get out of it and not crack your noggin open ...tripping over
> the curb and dropping that cell phone? [No more dropped calls? Right. ]
>
> With GPS navigation, you can get to where you're going and not know where
> you are.
>
> A sign of the times.  Pay somebody else twice what life costs to do your
> life for you, so you can sue *them* when they screw it up.
> It's like:  If I work really hard, I will be able to afford to pay someone
> else to do that work.
> I gotta get a treadmill, walking somewhere is too hard.
>
> Shucks.  I know a guy who couldn't make it up a hill to his garden
> anymore.  He bought a BowFlex...and spent his time tripping over it and
> complaining about what bad shape he was in.  Weird thing is, he doesn't
> like vegetables and never ate anything he grew.  Might be part of why he
> got so sick and out of shape he couldn't grow them anymore.  LOL   [err,
> not funny ]
>
> Question:  Do I pay the dealer $900 for the nice sound system option, or,
> do I spend 3 hours studying wiring and install a better one for $200 in 4
> hours?
>   What is worth what?  I won't be building the radio from scratch. [
> Especially if I have to make the scratch.]
> I will buy a shovel rather than dig iron ore with a stick.
> But then, Hiring a back hoe to dig a long ditch is better than digging it
> myself if I have something else to do.  If I don't, it isn't.
>
> Ode
>
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CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread marmar845

> 
> From: "Dan Nave" 
> Date: 2007/08/28 Tue AM 10:27:18 CDT
> To: 
> Subject: RE: CS>Mountains and molehills...
> 
> Top of the morning to you Wayne,
>  
> What are *you* talking about?
>  
> >Not sure who you are addressing with that statement.
> 
> The people arguing about what is free and what is not and who said what,
> and who said not, etc.
>  
> >How did you get so far behind ?   Sorry I let that happen.
>  
> What are you talking about?
>  
> >We have 50 members in about a week.
>  
> What are you talking about?
>  
> Dan

 OK -- that cracked me up!!!  :-D  Sounds like our own personal version of 
Who's On First!!!  MA 


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Re: CS>Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread leslie
It depends on what all is in it. I am on an iodine list where I get my info 
but still have questions. When you check the groups there are several re 
thyroid care also. Mostly I think if Lugol's that their solution is in 
purified water instead of alcohol so just maybe that is the reason you might 
be able to take your two drops. I have been trying to find out myself so now 
I just take a cotton qtip and paint some on an area unseen. That is always 
safe.


Oh, were you the one who responded to me some time back and said you would 
write me personally? If so my email is leslie1...@windstream.net any time.
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Feather Glo is an oral iodine supplement- I had a parakeet that had a 
goiter which resolved after giving  him this. It makes me wonder if I 
could drink it too. It has iodine and potassium iodine.


On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, leslie wrote:

By the way, what is feather glo? I'll bet you can still buy at the pet 
store. I got the regular Iodine Tincture at KV Pet. If interested I'll 
get you the website or 800 number. They also have cleanses very 
reasonable (nutritional products).


Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Iodine


Well, no, they don't talk about that around here. I thought you have to 
have a prescription- is that right?


I think I would like to have some.  Did you know that birds need it too? 
I used to have to give my birds "FeatherGlo", a supplement for iodine.


Kathryn C.

On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:30 AM, faith gagne wrote:


Hi Wayne.

Does everyone have their Potassium Iodide (KI) pills dispensed by your 
town government?


The town that I live in is dispensing two potassium iodide pills to 
each resident in the event of a nuclear problem at the nuclear plant 
about 25 miles from here.  I've got mine.  Have you got yours?



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CS>CS links - Silver and aluminum electrodes

2007-08-28 Thread Dan Nave
 

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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:20 AM
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Subject: Re: CS>New member



   Actually, anything over 1.2 volts will work.
HummI've made a mess at 43 millivolts and currents so low I can't
measure them. [took a while] What's with that?
Silver ions will release with nothing more than an aluminum electrode
connected to a silver one, no "power" at all.

Check out

http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/FREE-DIY.html

ode

At 08:41 AM 8/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:

>All you need is 27 volts DC, and two silver wires.   Or: 
>tor.html>http://www.lightwatcher.com/makingcolloidalsilver/make_a_silve
>r_generator.html
>


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CS>Re: Iodine

2007-08-28 Thread Simon Jester
This is admittedly one are where my knowledge is lacking, so hopefully 
someone else with more knowledge will chime in...


The best form of iodine that I have found, thanks to 'ransley' (thank
you sir!) on another list, is something called magnascent. It is much
more potent and bio-available than Lugols, which is what I had been
using/recommending before...

http://www.magnascent.com

It is much more bio-available (so much less is needed), and still 
available as far as I know...



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RE: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread Dan Nave
Top of the morning to you Wayne,
 
What are *you* talking about?
 
>Not sure who you are addressing with that statement.

The people arguing about what is free and what is not and who said what,
and who said not, etc.
 
>How did you get so far behind ?   Sorry I let that happen.
 
What are you talking about?
 
>We have 50 members in about a week.
 
What are you talking about?
 
Dan




From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:56 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Mountains and molehills...


Morning Dan,

<< At 09:30 AM 8/28/2007, you wrote:


Thanks for making such a mountain out of this molehill...


   Not sure who you are addressing with that statement.

All of us I guess.



Without your squabbling I might have missed the information on
MM2 which sounds very promising.
 http://www.miraclemineral.org  


   How did you get so far behind ?   Sorry I let that happen.

We have 50 members in about a week.

It is very interesting material.

Wayne



 "Many people would sooner die than think. In fact they do.

http://www.miraclemineral.org/ 

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Re: CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread CWFugitt

Morning Dan,

<< At 09:30 AM 8/28/2007, you wrote:

Thanks for making such a mountain out of this molehill...

   Not sure who you are addressing with that statement.

All of us I guess.

Without your squabbling I might have missed the information on MM2 which 
sounds very promising.

 http://www.miraclemineral.org

   How did you get so far behind ?   Sorry I let that happen.

We have 50 members in about a week.

It is very interesting material.

Wayne


 "Many people would sooner die than think. In fact they do.

http://www.miraclemineral.org/

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Re: CS>Re: ozone generators

2007-08-28 Thread Ode Coyote


## The problem I have is the use of mixed details of other things in an 
attempt to prove that a primary element isn't what it is.


 That's bait and switch deception.


As in: This O3 is different than that O3because it doesn't have NOX 
products and byproducts mixed in it.
 Well DUH!  That's an entirely different subject.  The "O3" is exactly the 
same.

The *next* subject is about how to make O3 without the NOX.
If there is no Nitrogen present, it doesn't matter how you do it. It's 
still O3 and doesn't have any NOX stuff mixed in.

The *NEXT* subject is about to regulating concentration.
...and the ***next*** , which methods are the most advantageous, for 
whatever reasons.

...and so on.

Baiting me to make me mad doesn't work, nor does switching arguments 
midstream to make contradictions look like a win.

I'm not fighting.  I don't care about winning.

 My assertion is that you can access any of the methods pretty cheap and 
adjust *operation* to get what you want out of them.  Just pick one or some 
combination of them and learn how to use it.  Some may be easier to set up 
properly and some may last longer than others, but O3 is still 
O3.  *Byproducts* of making O3 wrong, is NOT O3, but the O3 *portion* of 
all that is STILL O3.


 If you don't want to, that's another subject again.
 Being told you can't?   I don't like hearing that even if Tesla "sez " so.
 He was an infallible genius and you aren't and never can even begin to 
understand what this is Allah bout, so buy "this"... and defend your 
decision like it was a religion simply because you were "taken" for a few 
thousand bucks and won't admit it to yourself for fear of feeling like a fool.

 [Straight from the con mans Bible]


who thinks that *transmitting energy, free* [made by burning trainload 
after trainload of coal in his own private power plant to

go virtually nowhere ]


Thats the second time you've made a reference to this, but I don't find 
anything online about it... maybe you'd do better to post evidence, than 
just name-call...


## Hey Dude, you brought it up as a comeback "flame" and the facts make it 
a backfire.
  I implied that sales people use the name of Tesla to divert readers from 
using common senseand they do.
And Dennis Lee makes em all look shabby at it.  If you want a REAL "show", 
go see him.
If you want the truth told straight, go where Tesla isn't mentioned and the 
facts aren't buried under a name with many different irrelevant headings 
"designed" to confuse the issues.


Then comes a justification for sales BS based on  ...don't you dare 
question the "god hood" of Tesla, which just ain't so.

It is, in fact, questionable.

 Read his authorized biography as assembled by people who knew him very well.
 Blow by blow, quote by quote, who his friends were, why Edison didn't 
like him, what his attitudes were, why he did things, who backed him doing 
what and when for how much and how long and why they did what they did 
while dealing with him.


"Online" is packed with worshippers, salesmen and conspiracy myths.  It's 
there, but you have to dig a lot.

VERY short overview:
http://www.madehow.com/inventorbios/45/Nikola-Tesla.html

BTW  Where did "I" call names?
I tried real hard to avoid getting personal.
Offense and defense games take two to play.
 Some people play with themselves, I guess.
Doesn't bother me any.

It's not like I'm not smart enough to know I can be stupid.
 Just show me where I went wrong without changing the subject and I'll go 
with it.

No big deal.  I don't mind being wrong. That's what learning is.

Look, I spent a week taking my car apart and putting it back together in 
different ways because it was detonating fit to spit pistons out the tailpipe.
After doing that 50 times, I finally discovered it was a barely tweeked 
motor mount and it wasn't detonating, it just sounded that way.  Loosening 
and re-tightening 2 bolts fixed it.
 Everything I did to increase low RPM torque made the problem worse.  The 
problem got worse because the cam and other modifications were doing what 
they were supposed tomake more low end torque and that extra torque was 
making the mount weird.


 In the meantime:
 I emailed the guy that made the cam I put in it, described what it was 
doing and he got all defensive.  But look guy, I just wanted to know where 
to look.  If no one else is having this problem, then it's me and MY 
car.  I didn't say the cam was the problem, just that I encountered a 
problem after installing the cam.  If you HAVE encountered this, then maybe 
you know the solution. If you don't know and I find out..I'll tell you.  If 
you haven't heard of this, then I know where to NOT look.
 The solution is what I want and I don't care what caused the 
problem...got that?
His denial [after he got calmed down and started talking straight ] did the 
trick and I found it.  "No" is a good answer, but only if it's true and 
accurate and not about 'something else'.

..and I 

Re: CS>ozone generators/ oxygen supply source

2007-08-28 Thread Ode Coyote

At 06:50 AM 8/27/2007 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,
 The main difference is in the very controlled environment levels or 
delivery system that the med grade generators produce. The generators 
are so regulated that they cannot exceed or reach the dangerous levels 
considered to suppress the immune system.   The major difference is in 
the equipment and not the feed or source of oxygen needed to produce the 
ozone which is then introduced directly into a living 
environment...namely, the body.  After all, are we not little sub eco 
systems which if not montitored can become unbalanced.


##  Well, yea, but equipment is just machinery and machinery can be 
adjusted to do what you want it to.

Is not knowing something worth $2200?
I suppose to some, it is.
  It takes me a while to earn that much, generally less time than it takes 
to learn how not to spend it.

A penny saved is 1.3 cents earned. [or more ]
What can I say, I built myself a NEW car out of an abused junker for $1800 
total, in a week. [Better than new in some ways ]

It was drivers ignorance that killed it in the first place.


Thus the use of welders oxygen vs medical oxygen grade...which as you 
correctly stated is marginal and probably profit driven.  Besides, we 
can't have to many people on oxygen, or oxygenatedor can we?


##  Excuse to buy Oxygen tanks?  It's the other half of my propane cutting 
torch.
  Not so much profit driven as *fear* driven... costs lots of cash to pay 
others to allay your fears with certifications that you aren't breathing 
some contaminant that's even more present in every *other* breath you take.
I mean, people get real edgy about second hand smoke in open air spaces, 
then take a bus to town where the same emissions are present, times 100.


Ode


.

Gail Naranjo  wrote:

Hello Ode,

Well, it looks like Charles already answered your
question.

As far as getting oxygen from a welders' supply place,
that is very often suggested on the Oxyplus list.
Even have a handy line if questioned as to what you
need it for. All you have to say is you need it for
your hot tub or acquarium. That is very often how
ozone users get their oxygen tanks filled all the
time. Nothing new.

An air fed generator is never recommended for
insufflating, injecting, saunaing (is that even a
word?) or IV use. It's just not because of the
nitrogen oxide factor with the air fed generators.
That's just the way it is.

Recently some of the posts were talking about an
overload of toxins relating to various illnesses. We
were talking about cfids, fibromyalgia, & lymes, but
I'm sure the same principle applies to other illneses.
Ozone therapy simply helps the body to unload the
toxins, thus allowing the immune system to be able to
then heal itself.

The body is an awesome creation. And when functioning
as it was created to, the immune system is what heals.
However, when our immunse system is not functioning
as it should, healing doesn't happen.

All althernative protocols follow this same line of
thinking, be it the Beck protocol, fasting, cleansing,
ozone, riffling, whatever. It's all about removing
the toxic buildup & allowing the immune system to do
the work it was created to do, while supporting it
with proper nutritional support. Oh, sure there are a
whole lot of ways to deliver the message, but it's
really all the same when you get right down to it.
Ozone is a very viable tool used to help with that.

Study up on the subject a little more, and you might
find it worth the big bucks. It is pricey for sure,
but it also last a lifetime. At least the plasmafire
one is guaranteed for a lifetime, which is something
one might want to consider, if interested in looking
into it.

Gail
>
=== message truncated ===> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007
12:05:56 -0400
> From: Ode Coyote
>>
> So, tell me, what's the difference in medical ozone
> and any other ozone?
>
> Get Oxygen from a welders supply,





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Re: CS>New member

2007-08-28 Thread Ode Coyote



  Actually, anything over 1.2 volts will work.
HummI've made a mess at 43 millivolts and currents so low I can't 
measure them. [took a while] What's with that?
Silver ions will release with nothing more than an aluminum electrode 
connected to a silver one, no "power" at all.


Check out

http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/FREE-DIY.html

ode

At 08:41 AM 8/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:

All you need is 27 volts DC, and two silver wires.   Or: 
http://www.lightwatcher.com/makingcolloidalsilver/make_a_silver_generator.html





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Re: CS>yellow CS

2007-08-28 Thread Marshall Dudley

jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

For anyone who knows:
 
I bought some Throat Rescue by Peaceful Mountain.  It is a CS spray 
(ionic silver) with peppermint oil in a concentration of greater than 
35 ppm.  It is yellow when sprayed on white gauge. My homemade CS is not.
 
Is this due to the addition of peppermint?
 
Thanks, Jess
Peppermint oil is clear best of my recollection. It is probably due to 
it being 35 ppm, which is above where you can make clear CS.


Marshall


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RE: CS>EDTA

2007-08-28 Thread David Kenney
EDTA IS A CHELATING AGENT.  USUALLY USED TO REMOVE BIVALNT HEAVY METALS.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT ALSO INACTIVATES CALCIUM
TOO MUCH AND YOU BEGIN BLEEDING EVERY WHERE...
SO...BEST LEFT TO USE BY PROFESSIONALS...WHO CAN MONITOR YOUR IONIZED
CALCIUM...
UNFORTUNTELY,,,CLOGGED ARTERIES ARE CAUSED BY THINGS OTHER THAN CALCIUM
ANYWAY...
DR DAVE

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On Behalf Of G Murray
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>EDTA

Hi all,

I am wondering about EDTA  for use with Clogged Arteries.  What is it's 
effectiveness and how safe is it?

G Murray


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Re: CS>Re: ozone generators

2007-08-28 Thread Ode Coyote

At 07:05 AM 8/27/2007 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,
I think that Simon did a good job in explaining the difference.  As to the 
difference..a simple analogy and rebuttal to what's the difference.  As 
you suggest, true enough, with enough time, money and techo know how, 
one  can eventually turn a Honda   into aMercedes.



##  But the disagreement isn't between Hondas and Mercedes. Both are cars 
and do what cars do. [And which is a better car is a matter of 
opinion.I'll go with Honda, Toyota or Suzuki.  They'll go just as far 
at a tenth the cost. ]
It's the difference between gasoline and alcohol fuels that's being made 
out to be the difference between cars.


Simon did not explain the difference between generators, he explained the 
difference between end products when running similar generators 
differently...and did a good job.

BUT
Installing a cruise control doesn't make a car into a different car.It 
just makes it a little easier to drive. [You can spend less time on 
watching the speedometer and more time talking about nothing on a cell phone. ]
Crikey!  Now there are cars that tell you when you're about to hit 
something and also park themselves.  Drive that thing for a while and 
you'll forget how to walk and not bump into things. OK, so now you can pay 
$60,000 so you can drive with your eyes closed.  Yee Haww!
..but can you get out of it and not crack your noggin open ...tripping over 
the curb and dropping that cell phone? [No more dropped calls? Right. ]


With GPS navigation, you can get to where you're going and not know where 
you are.


A sign of the times.  Pay somebody else twice what life costs to do your 
life for you, so you can sue *them* when they screw it up.
It's like:  If I work really hard, I will be able to afford to pay someone 
else to do that work.

I gotta get a treadmill, walking somewhere is too hard.

Shucks.  I know a guy who couldn't make it up a hill to his garden 
anymore.  He bought a BowFlex...and spent his time tripping over it and 
complaining about what bad shape he was in.  Weird thing is, he doesn't 
like vegetables and never ate anything he grew.  Might be part of why he 
got so sick and out of shape he couldn't grow them anymore.  LOL   [err, 
not funny ]


Question:  Do I pay the dealer $900 for the nice sound system option, or, 
do I spend 3 hours studying wiring and install a better one for $200 in 4 
hours?
 What is worth what?  I won't be building the radio from scratch. [ 
Especially if I have to make the scratch.]

I will buy a shovel rather than dig iron ore with a stick.
But then, Hiring a back hoe to dig a long ditch is better than digging it 
myself if I have something else to do.  If I don't, it isn't.


Ode




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CS>Mountains and molehills...

2007-08-28 Thread Dan Nave
Thanks for making such a mountain out of this molehill...

Without your squabbling I might have missed the information on MM2 which
sounds very promising.

 http://www.miraclemineral.org

Dan


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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Great file re: aspartine and the brain ( Jackwell.doc )

I am not condemning anything.   One just cannot insist repeatedly that 
something is free when it is not.



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From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Great file re: aspartine and the brain ( Jackwell.doc )


Read the FREE part before you condemn.
It's worthwhile!
Besides, if you really need it ALL to be FREE , drop him an email and
he'll send you part 2 FREE.

This is right up there with CS in importance.

Chuck
When the foolkiller comes around, we'd better all hide in the high
grass


On 8/26/2007 4:30:54 PM, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
> I looked at this site out of curiosity. http://www.miraclemineral.
> org/
>
> The author goes on abut how FREE it is and how important it is that we
> pass
> it on to the rest of the world, FREE.   That is just wonderful.But
> the
> book comes in 2 parts and there is a charge for the 2nd part.That
is
> NOT
> free.
>
> If someone wants to charge for something, that is one thing, but don't
go 
> on
> about how free it is.
>
> Faith E.  (as opposed to someone  named Faith


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Re: CS>EDTA

2007-08-28 Thread T. J. Garland

Google chelation therapy-- tons of info.
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From: "G Murray" 

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Subject: CS>EDTA



Hi all,

I am wondering about EDTA  for use with Clogged Arteries.  What is it's 
effectiveness and how safe is it?


G Murray


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Re: CS>yellow CS

2007-08-28 Thread M1marine
_http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm_ 
(http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm)   Ed.



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Re: CS>yellow CS

2007-08-28 Thread Dee
Perhaps the silver particles are a bit larger than you make at home, which
would make it go yellowy I think.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: jessi...@optonline.net 

Date: 28/08/2007 00:02:14 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>yellow CS 

 

For anyone who knows: 

 

I bought some Throat Rescue by Peaceful Mountain. It is a CS spray (ionic
silver) with peppermint oil in a concentration of greater than 35 ppm. It is
yellow when sprayed on white gauge. My homemade CS is not. 

 

Is this due to the addition of peppermint? 

 

Thanks, Jess 

 


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CS>EDTA

2007-08-28 Thread G Murray

Hi all,

I am wondering about EDTA  for use with Clogged Arteries.  What is it's 
effectiveness and how safe is it?


G Murray


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