CS>coconut oil

[zeb caffe]

I was wondering if someone had insight or comments about coconut oil. I use it 
to help with dry skin.It is very effective when taken internally. I have been 
able to cut back on skin lotions since using it. I do however notice the side 
effect of what seem like increased yeast problems and also liver pain.I cant 
figure this out. Also does anyone know how it effects cholesterol numbers? Are 
there any studies on this? thanks in advance to anyone who answers. Several 
folks have asked about silver purchased in the health food stores. I talked to 
a manager of a health food store recently again.she told me that she goes to 
seminars  to learn about silver and according to her , the best by far is 
Argentyn brand for purity and effectiveness. Does anyone have any info on Adion 
ionic minerals?


  

CS>Nutmeg oil

[Roger Barker]

I think someone on this list mentioned that they lived
on Mauritius which is the second largest producer of nutmeg oil. I'd
like to know more about the medicinal uses of nutmeg and would like to
chat.

Cheers,  Roger


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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[Carol Ann]

LOL,LOL!!  Thanks. 



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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[cking001]

Just as I've always suspected:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4_MsrsKzMM

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Re: CS>Algae and phytoplankton, Different Fonts ?

[Dee]

Now *this* one is in all the same font, at least your part is.  My bit is
slightly smaller - say about 8.  I must say I do get a variety of different
fonts with some messages, although most are the same.  Very curious.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Wayne Fugitt
Date: 15/07/2008 19:43:26
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Algae and phytoplankton, Different Fonts ?
 
Evening Dee, 

At 06:15 AM 7/15/2008, you wrote:

Now this post is in all different fonts!  Dee 

Interesting indeed, how many 2, 3, 5  or more ?

The message that came back to me, from the list,  displays in ONE FONT only,
nice pretty, 
perfectly clear, nothing different from top to bottom.

Also. You quoted the whole message,  Guess what ?

One Font, nice, pretty and clear.

CS>Algae and phytoplankton, Different Fonts ?

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Dee,

At 06:15 AM 7/15/2008, you wrote:

Now this post is in all different fonts!  Dee


Interesting indeed, how many 2, 3, 5  or more ?

The message that came back to me, from the list,  displays in ONE FONT 
only, nice pretty,

perfectly clear, nothing different from top to bottom.

Also. You quoted the whole message,  Guess what ?

One Font, nice, pretty and clear.

In addition, Kathryn quoted the whole message,  and

Again. it displayed in one font, nice and pretty again.

Some have said my mail program is ancient.  Being old does not make a great 
software inferior.


I use some utilities dating back into the 80's.  There are just as great 
now, and they were when new.  Still work perfectly.


As I have pointed out, I do not have a display problem in one half million 
messages, or more.


IncrediMail has many documented problems, some are display.  Not sure which 
version.


Wayne

=









---Original Message---

From: Wayne Fugitt
Date: 15/07/2008 06:24:37
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Algae and phytoplankton, How Dangerous is it ?

Evening Kathryn,

Thanks for the lesson on Algae.

It sounds scary and dangerous.

However, in real life, it is not as bad as the facts make it sound.

At 09:02 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote:
There are major differences between salt water algae (kelp, etc) and fresh 
water algae, the first being that nearly all sea water kelp and other 
algae is safe to eat, and many different kinds are used as food all over 
the world.


  Yes, the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, I suppose.

Nearly all fresh water algae is poisonous. It is so toxic that one should 
not even get their feet wet in a green puddle of water.


  That is the statement, I wonder about.  Lots of qualification needs to 
go with it.


  Now you tell me, after I have been wading in the stuff for many, many 
years.


Of course not all is poison or in great concentrations.  Some is 
beneficial and the right amount is required for healthy water and healthy fish.


The microscopic algae (phytoplankton) produces oxygen in the water in 
the  presence of sunlight.  I have watched this, during sunlight and the 
increase is 1/2 ppm per hour, depending on temperature and water nutrients.


Yes, some water will not grow algae or phytoplankton.   I can usually tell 
by looking, no instruments required.  And guess what ?  NO FISH !Darn !


At night and on very cloudy days, algae and submerged plants remove oxygen 
from the water for respiration.


During daylight hours plants normally produce more oxygen than they 
consume, thus providing oxygen for the fish and other organisms in the pond.


In many cases, oxygen is a straight line depletion from dark until sunrise.

By plotting this on a graph, you can see if the fish will die, and what time.
A real World problem for commercial fish growers.

I was studying all this many years ago.  Some may know, that for a time
MS was the Catfish Farming Capitol of the world.

Nothing to play around with for sure.

I think this is a great example whereas the scientific facts of a matter 
create fear and horror in the minds of the unknowing, no doubt.


Who is going to carry around a microscope and identify all the algae?

People swim in the stuff, cattle wade in it,  dogs and other animals will 
encounter it for sure over time.


Algae creates problems in plastic nutrient barrels.  We paint them black, 
then white in an attempt to solve the problem.  There is a maximum 
temperature for nutrients, and soil or growing media that real growers 
know all about.


Fishermen do not like the stuff, but no matter, it is a necessary evil the 
world over.


Like virtually everything else, ..  Proper Balance is the key to 
keep the world going around.


So, don't declare WAR on Algae and Phytoplankton, ... just yet.

Don't curse it, instead bless it !

Tons more I could tell you, but that should be enough.

Wayne

Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[cking001]

http://www.acronymdb.com/acronym/IOW

Chuck

They called to see if I wanted to try The Obesity Monthly and I told
them I wasn't into any heavy reading.


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> What does IOW mean? In our world, maybe? Dee
> 

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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[Dee]

Of course!  Silly me.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Clayton Family
Date: 15/07/2008 16:24:16
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?
 
in other words...
 

Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[Carol Ann]

in our world -  in other words

Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Dee  wrote:
From: Dee 
Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:50 AM


 
 
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What does IOW mean?  In our world, maybe? Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: Ode Coyote
Date: 15/07/2008 14:40:35
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?
 
   Look at the language usedit has no real meaning.
 
 
 
 
  IOW   A "dodge"...done by professionals... selling unneeded faith in the
FDA where it feels no need to even be involved, but does feel a need to
maintain "appearances" of authority to those that look to them for it.
 
Ode
 
 











  

Re: CS>Quantum biofeedback machine

[Nenah Sylver]

Marshall,
This is essentially a very fancy radionics machine. Even the inventor says 
that the success depends on the practitioner. One man who used to do 
engineering for the inventor said that this piece of equipment is a random 
number generator.


I was given the software--which is basically the unit without the straps 
that attach the person to the laptop with the software inside--and did some 
pretty remarkable long-distance treatments on myself, a friend and my dogs. 
I also had a friend give me a long-distance treatment that cleared up a 
sinus infection. So yes, it does work. However, again, it depends on who is 
operating the machine.


I don't recommend these types of machine for people who want to do objective 
scientific testing, with repeatable results. I also found the screen to be 
really difficult to read and look at, and fraught with spelling errors.


Nenah


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: CS>Quantum biofeedback machine



Does anyone know anythine about this machine?

http://www.thequantumalliance.com/

A lady in Sweetwater TN has one of these, and I have heard some pretty 
impressive things back this it has supposedly done both in diagnostic, and 
treatment of problems.


Marshall



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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[Clayton Family]

in other words...

On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Dee wrote:


What does IOW mean?  In our world, maybe? Dee
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 15/07/2008 14:40:35
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?
 
   Look at the language usedit has no real meaning.
 
 
 
 
  IOW   A "dodge"...done by professionals... selling unneeded faith in 
the

FDA where it feels no need to even be involved, but does feel a need to
maintain "appearances" of authority to those that look to them for it.
 
Ode
 
 



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RE: CS>curad Re: silver-digest Digest V2008 #416

[Dan Nave]

I would put a gauze pad on it and keep it constantly wet with CS.  Don't have a 
greasy antibiotic salve on it to keep the CS from penetrating.  If you have 
DMSO you could add 5 to 10% by volume to the CS once a day.  Too much DMSO may 
cause drying.

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:52 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>curad Re: silver-digest Digest V2008 #416
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Dan Nave wrote:
> 
> > This is a problem with penetration of CS into wounds.  You 
> have to use 
> > DMSO or something if you want it to penetrate.
> >  
> > I would think a properly placed electric field may cause it to 
> > penetrate too.  That means one probe (+) on top of the wound and one
> > (-) positioned so the current would go thru the wound.  As 
> it is, with 
> > the Curad, the electric field and silver ions are just on 
> the surface.
> >  
> > Dan
> >
> 
> My 96  yo MIL can take 6 weeks to heal from a simple wound.  
> Once she cut her lag just brushing the edge of a cardboard 
> box flap.  Presently she has a 3" long by 3/8" wide wound 
> that appeared mysteriously, and we are using my 3 color LED 
> on it a couple of times a day in addition to a brief 
> application of hydrogen peroxide, then CS, then a bandage 
> with a prescription antibiotic salve.  It seems to be healing faster.
> 
> Nancy
> 
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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[Dee]

What does IOW mean?  In our world, maybe? Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 15/07/2008 14:40:35
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?
 
   Look at the language usedit has no real meaning.
 
 
 
 
  IOW   A "dodge"...done by professionals... selling unneeded faith in the
FDA where it feels no need to even be involved, but does feel a need to
maintain "appearances" of authority to those that look to them for it.
 
Ode
 
 

Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[cyndiann9]

bob Larson wrote:

i think once people beat their problem they move on mostly.
i've read lots of testimonials of folks who've beat hep-c with CS, but
mostly on places like the mesosilver website...
i have yakked with folks who know someone, has a friend or relative or
something, who beat it but that's always been second hand refs with the
actual person not available.
personally, i have it and CS saved my ass, turned it around fast and
thorough, and has kept it under control since fall '06.  i don't know if
i'll ever clear completely though.  i'm just finishing the 4th month of
drinking almost a liter/day to see what that does.  i don't think i've
cleared but am symptom free.  it'll be interesting to see what happens if i
stop CS altogether... i might try that in another week or so.


Let me know how it goes. I'm gonna get a viral load test this week to 
see how I am doing too. In addition to CS I've added a couple other 
natural treatments to it.

http://www.tbyil.com/Hepatitis_Remedy.htm

The oleander made me very tired and I stopped it for a bit. The third 
one, using Alpha-lipoic acid and a couple of other herbs has given me 
energy and stopped the headaches and body aches. I don't know the cause 
of those aches. I was told it could be the hep c but I was being tested 
and considered for removal of a tumor on one of my parathyroid glands. 
Either it shrank the tumor or it kicked butt on the hep c because the 
pains are gone.


Have you had a liver biopsy? They said I really need one, that the other 
tests don't really tell you the real condition of your liver.




i'd almost forgotten usenet exists.  i wonder if my current ISP even has a
server available?



Many of them don't anymore. If yours doesn't you can access them through 
Google.


Cyndi


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Re: CS>Re: curad Re: silver-digest Digest V2008 #416

[Ode Coyote]

  The bandages rely on body fluid to act as an electrolyte between the 
silver and aluminium mesh or it won't generate silver ions.

 The test was seriously flawed.
 You misunderstood how they work.
 Agar in contact with the surface is not an electrolyte "in" the bandage.
 Next time soak it with saline or something to mimic "ooze" and sweat, or 
whatever.


Ode



At 10:29 AM 7/14/2008 -0700, you wrote:

> Has anyone ever reported a problem with puncture wounds
>  when using the Curad Silver bandage?

From a comparison study:
"...The Band-Aid Antibiotic bandages kept off nearly 100% of the bacteria. 
Silver bandages did not seem to inhibit bacteria growth well. The label on 
the package of the Silver bandages said that they would. So I decided to 
investigate at a sixty power (60x). At this power I saw that the bacteria
covered nearly every space on the pad between the silver mesh. The 
bacteria grew everywhere except directly on the silver threads! This meant 
that the bandage pad was covered with bacteria!..."

http://www.usc.edu/CSSF/History/2006/Projects/J1405.pdf
[NOTE: links to a one-page .PDF article.]
jr


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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[Ode Coyote]

  Look at the language usedit has no real meaning.


Reviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have 
concluded that2-5:
   * Silver has no known function in the body.  [and is therefore 
essentially non toxic, unlike copper or zinc ]
   * Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and 
should not be promoted as such. [ But cure *some* isn't good enough to be 
the least bit useful]
   * Claims that there can be a "deficiency" of silver in the body and 
that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded. [ Absolutely, see 
statement #1, that's a "plus" ..and the common claim, a lie. But a lie 
doesn't eliminate whatever may be true. ]
   * Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for 
numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically. [ But not not supported 
unscientifically in the absence of "scientific studies".  That silver ions 
do in fact kill virtually every virus and bacterium known to man IS 
supported scientifically.  Look up " Oligodynamic properties of silver" in 
virtually any scientific tome.  The "application" has not been studied, but 
has been experienced by many many people who aren't scientistsand some 
who are, but haven't published the results in a triple blind study form 
that's accepted AS a study. Besides that, what HASN'T been studied is 
INFINITELY greater than what has, in EVERY field.]
   * Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed 
further below). [ IF you 
manage to "retain" a threshold amount of silver, which only 1 in 2,000 
"silver industry workers" manage to do and researchers have expressed 
extreme frustration at being unable to when attempting to accomplish that 
feat even with injections at thousands of PPM of silver compounds, then, 
you "might" have a problem. That's like saying "speed kills" without saying 
what speed or how fast the stop. "Can have" means nearly nothing when the 
odds are 1 in a hundred million and still count.]
   * Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in 
supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer.  [ Vary 
greatly in what direction, how often?  So, don't "buy" it, make it in such 
a way that you know what it is. Usually, the silver content errs on the low 
to nearly absent side making it as safe as water and only slightly more 
effective.  The greatest "risk to a consumer" is getting ripped off. 
"Sometimes" it can vary quite high, but that would be MSP or some silver 
compound, not "Colloidal Silver" as, again misdefined by most makers who 
also lump different things into the same categories with the same 
unscientific meaninglessness of the entire FDA statement of nonfacts. ]


The FDA issued a ruling in 1999 that no products containing colloidal 
silver are generally recognized as safe and effective. [ When did that mean 
it was *unsafe and ineffective* when the ruling is about 
*recognition*,  and no one making that statement has even TRIED to 
recognize a danged thing, one way or the other?   The ruling was clearly 
"engineered" to mislead one into thinking it says something that it doesn't. ]


 Reject any proof that doesn't meet unachievable standards and ignore all 
evidence.  People... are a myth, not generally recognized as existing.


 The People wanted us to make a decision and a statement, so here it is: " 
WE have decided to not decide, but to make it appear that we have to those 
who can't *read* well enough to tell when something stated in pure double 
talk doesn't mean anything at all "


  What the FDA is saying is this:

" We don't know and we don't want to know "  so "Have a big giant loophole 
so you can do what you want so long as you don't lie and make claims we 
can't support with a total lack of knowledge and then blame us for being 
just as ignorant as we know we are, but YOU can't accept "


 " WE have no indication of any significant possible harm when this 
substance is used within reason, but by the same token promoted by this 
nonsense, we know what saying so leads to nonsensical lawsuits if something 
does crop up WAY against the odds, by people who act with complete 
ignorance, believing anything that they're *led to believe* something 
means...like this...misleading nonsense does and was written to do.  If you 
haven't figured this out, you don't know what reason is..never mind...play 
it safe. "


" We aren't ever GOING to know, because proof that we'll accept is too 
expensive for the amount of money than can be made on it"  PERIOD.


" It cannot Pay to find out, so we ain't gonna "

" Yer on yer own if we didn't manage to put a ghost in yer empty head with 
complete nonsense "  Thereby weeding out those who DO have some sense 
and letting them carry on as they will, so long as blatant lies aren't used 
to rip people off into FTC land.  If you can't think clearly enough to see

Re: CS>Algae and phytoplankton, How Dangerous is it ?

[Clayton Family]

Yes, of course you are correct.

Up here last summer there were some lakes that had algae problems, 
mostly likely due to lack of rain, and fish were dying, people were 
getting ill, some people can get ill just from breathing the vapors, it 
was so strong.


If the fish are loving it, I think it is probably ok for me too. We get 
a lot of duckweed up here, the fish like it, but I think it is not an 
algae.


Some people have the greatest toxin removal system and can handle 
wading in some of it- others can only handle so much before their 
system gets overloaded (like mine).


I remember when there were red tides back home at the seashore, the 
fish would wash up on the beach, dead or dying. That is a clue for 
certain. Those  kinds poison everyone.  They are not so common, but 
when they happened, the lifeguards would hustle everyone out of the 
water. You can see it from up in their tower; of course the Coast Guard 
keeps track of such things too.


My point is that if one is going to eat something, they might want to 
be very sure it is not one of the many kinds of toxin laden algae, 
especially if they might already be compromised. I personally can't eat 
fresh water algae- they have too many toxins in them for my system- 
however I am admittedly very sensitive to toxins anyway.


On Jul 15, 2008, at 12:21 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:


 Evening Kathryn,

 Thanks for the lesson on Algae.  

 It sounds scary and dangerous.

 However, in real life, it is not as bad as the facts make it sound.

 At 09:02 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote:

   Yes, the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, I suppose.


   That is the statement, I wonder about.  Lots of qualification needs 
to go with it.     Now you tell me, after I have been wading in the 
stuff for many, many years.   Of course not all is poison or in great 
concentrations.  Some is beneficial and the right amount is required 
for healthy water and healthy fish.


The microscopic algae (phytoplankton) produces oxygen in the water in 
the  presence of sunlight.  I have watched this, during sunlight and 
the increase is 1/2 ppm per hour, depending on temperature and water 
nutrients.


 Yes, some water will not grow algae or phytoplankton.   I can usually 
tell by looking, no instruments required.  And guess what ?  NO FISH 
!    Darn !


 At night and on very cloudy days, algae and submerged plants remove 
oxygen from the water for respiration.   During daylight hours plants 
normally produce more oxygen than they consume, thus providing oxygen 
for the fish and other organisms in the pond.


In many cases, oxygen is a straight line depletion from dark until 
sunrise.   By plotting this on a graph, you can see if the fish will 
die, and what time.  A real World problem for commercial fish growers. 
  I was studying all this many years ago.  Some may know, that for a 
time  MS was the Catfish Farming Capitol of the world.  Nothing to 
play around with for sure.


 I think this is a great example whereas the scientific facts of a 
matter create fear and horror in the minds of the unknowing, no doubt. 
  Who is going to carry around a microscope and identify all the 
algae?   People swim in the stuff, cattle wade in it,  dogs and other 
animals will encounter it for sure over time.


 Algae creates problems in plastic nutrient barrels.  We paint them 
black, then white in an attempt to solve the problem.  There is a 
maximum temperature for nutrients, and soil or growing media that real 
growers know all about.


 Fishermen do not like the stuff, but no matter, it is a necessary 
evil the world over. Like virtually everything else, ..  
Proper Balance is the key to keep the world going around. So, don't 
declare WAR on Algae and Phytoplankton, ... just yet.  Don't curse 
it, instead bless it !  Tons more I could tell you, but that should be 
enough.


 Wayne

 



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Re: CS>Can a lack of vitamin D cause breast cancer?

[kmilkowski]

They don't want to cure you. It's all about making a profit while killing you 
at the same time.

Kurt
 Dee   wrote: 
> Isn't this true of most cancers?  And one answer may be that they are still
> raking in millions of pounds for cancer research (even though they are still
> using cancer treatments that were around thirty years ago) and don't want
> people to find common sense cures. Dee 
> 
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> Subject: CS>Can a lack of vitamin D cause breast cancer?
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> Patients with breast cancer need to know that if they have low levels of
> Vitamin D, which is probable in at least 60% of all tested patients, that
> their cancer is more likely to spread and they are more likely to die.
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> All this research is tantalizing and disturbing. If we are so lacking in
> this essential vitamin, why don't more of us get tested? Probably because
> our doctors don't mention it and we don't ask.
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> And because we are so afraid, and rightly so, of the fatal consequences
> linked to severe skin cancer, we may not realize we can safely be exposed
> briefly and that, combined with vitamin D supplements, we may stave off
> other forms of cancer.
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Re: CS>Can a lack of vitamin D cause breast cancer?

[Dee]

Isn't this true of most cancers?  And one answer may be that they are still
raking in millions of pounds for cancer research (even though they are still
using cancer treatments that were around thirty years ago) and don't want
people to find common sense cures. Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com
Date: 15/07/2008 13:18:23
To: 8th...@yahoogroups.com;  lymec...@yahoogroups.com; 
lymestrateg...@yahoogroups.com;  thefrontp...@yahoogroups.com; 
silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Can a lack of vitamin D cause breast cancer?
 
Patients with breast cancer need to know that if they have low levels of
Vitamin D, which is probable in at least 60% of all tested patients, that
their cancer is more likely to spread and they are more likely to die.
 
All this research is tantalizing and disturbing. If we are so lacking in
this essential vitamin, why don't more of us get tested? Probably because
our doctors don't mention it and we don't ask.
And because we are so afraid, and rightly so, of the fatal consequences
linked to severe skin cancer, we may not realize we can safely be exposed
briefly and that, combined with vitamin D supplements, we may stave off
other forms of cancer.
 
 
 
 
 
 

CS>Can a lack of vitamin D cause breast cancer?

[kmilkowski]

Patients with breast cancer need to know that if they have low levels of 
Vitamin D, which is probable in at least 60% of all tested patients, that their 
cancer is more likely to spread and they are more likely to die.

Dr. James E. Dowd, author of The Vitamin D Cure, claims that 60 percent of 
Americans are vitamin D-deficient.

Garry F. Gordon MD,DO,MD(H)
President, Gordon Research Institute
www.gordonresearch.com

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/health/content/accent/epaper/2008/05/28/a3d_susman_0528.html

On Health: Can a lack of vitamin D cause breast cancer?
By Carolyn Susman
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 28, 2008

I have to take my hat off to my 76-year-old cousin. She has discovered, on her 
own, what her doctors never told her and what cancer specialists are now 
highlighting: that a vitamin D deficiency may be linked to breast cancer.
She had a lumpectomy a few years ago, followed by radiation. She has been doing 
well since.
But she found when she insisted on being given a vitamin D blood test, that she 
was deficient. (She lives in New Jersey.) Apparently, this is much more common 
than many of us know. And dermatologists have been fighting for years over how 
much exposure is necessary for us to get sufficient amounts for our health.
Too much and you could end up with skin cancer, if you go the sun route. Too 
many supplements, and - well, too much of anything can be toxic.
But testing for levels of D is not routinely suggested by most doctors, even 
though Dr. James E. Dowd, author of The Vitamin D Cure, claims that 60 percent 
of Americans are vitamin D-deficient.
Ongoing studies by researchers at the Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute at 
Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto have been suggesting there is a breast 
cancer/vitamin D link and that D may play a significant role in reducing breast 
cancer risk.
The most recent Toronto study, released by the American Society of Clinical 
Oncology in early May, goes further than previous ones done in Toronto.
It suggests that women with low D at breast cancer diagnosis were more likely 
to see the disease spread and even more likely to die. The researchers shied 
away, however, from making a direct statement that lack of D can cause these 
breast cancer outcomes. Studies are continuing.
Two years ago, the controversy over sun exposure was so hot that I interviewed 
a professor at Boston University who had been castigated by his peers for 
suggesting sun might be good for us.
Dr. Michael Holick's book, The UV Advantage, kicked off the controversy.
Holick doesn't believe we can get enough D from food alone. That's because 
Holick and his supporters recommend 1,000 units of vitamin D daily, and he says 
that is impossible to get from food.
He suggests, in addition to a formula outlined in his book for sun exposure, 
that people take 1,000 units daily in the form of a vitamin D3 supplement that 
you can get at Whole Foods and other markets.
He was very specific about looking for D3.
What about sun exposure? "If you're light-skinned, during June, at noon, (limit 
to) about three to five minutes," he said. And that includes Floridians, who 
could do this for about two to three times weekly. He has a complicated 
scientific formula that he describes in more detail in his book.
All this research is tantalizing and disturbing. If we are so lacking in this 
essential vitamin, why don't more of us get tested? Probably because our 
doctors don't mention it and we don't ask.
And because we are so afraid, and rightly so, of the fatal consequences linked 
to severe skin cancer, we may not realize we can safely be exposed briefly and 
that, combined with vitamin D supplements, we may stave off other forms of 
cancer.






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RE: CS>Kelp versus spirulina- algae lessons

[Dee]

This is really interesting. So is algae an animal, or an animal cross plant?
 Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: bob Larson
Date: 15/07/2008 01:41:04
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Kelp versus spirulina- algae lessons
 
yeah, but strangely it's an algae also
 
from wiki:
 
Kelp are large seaweeds (algae), belonging to the brown algae and classified
in the order Laminariales. Despite their appearance, some scientists group
them not with the terrestrial plants (kingdom Plantae), but instead place
them either in kingdom Protista or in kingdom Chromista. There are about 30
different genera. Kelp grows in underwater forests (kelp forests) in clear,
shallow oceans, requiring nutrient-rich water below about 20 °C (68 °F). It
is known for its high growth rate — the genus Macrocystis and Nereocystis
luetkeana grow as fast as half a metre a day, ultimately reaching 30 to 80 m
[1]
Through the 19th century, the word "kelp" was closely associated with seaweeds 
that could be burned to obtain soda ash (primarily sodium carbonate). The 
seaweeds used included species from both the orders Laminariales and Fucales. 
The word "kelp" was also used directly to refer to these processed ashes.[2]

Re: CS>Algae and phytoplankton, How Dangerous is it ?

[Dee]

Now this post is in all different fonts!  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Wayne Fugitt
Date: 15/07/2008 06:24:37
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Algae and phytoplankton, How Dangerous is it ?
 
Evening Kathryn,

Thanks for the lesson on Algae.   

It sounds scary and dangerous.

However, in real life, it is not as bad as the facts make it sound.

At 09:02 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote:

There are major differences between salt water algae (kelp, etc) and fresh
water algae, the first being that nearly all sea water kelp and other algae
is safe to eat, and many different kinds are used as food all over the world


  Yes, the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, I suppose.


Nearly all fresh water algae is poisonous. It is so toxic that one should
not even get their feet wet in a green puddle of water.

  That is the statement, I wonder about.  Lots of qualification needs to go
with it.

  Now you tell me, after I have been wading in the stuff for many, many
years.

Of course not all is poison or in great concentrations.  Some is beneficial
and the right amount is required for healthy water and healthy fish.

The microscopic algae (phytoplankton) produces oxygen in the water in the 
presence of sunlight.  I have watched this, during sunlight and the increase
is 1/2 ppm per hour, depending on temperature and water nutrients.

Yes, some water will not grow algae or phytoplankton.   I can usually tell
by looking, no instruments required.  And guess what ?  NO FISH !Darn !

At night and on very cloudy days, algae and submerged plants remove oxygen
from the water for respiration.

During daylight hours plants normally produce more oxygen than they consume,
thus providing oxygen for the fish and other organisms in the pond. 

In many cases, oxygen is a straight line depletion from dark until sunrise.

By plotting this on a graph, you can see if the fish will die, and what time

A real World problem for commercial fish growers.

I was studying all this many years ago.  Some may know, that for a time
MS was the Catfish Farming Capitol of the world.

Nothing to play around with for sure.

I think this is a great example whereas the scientific facts of a matter
create fear and horror in the minds of the unknowing, no doubt.

Who is going to carry around a microscope and identify all the algae?

People swim in the stuff, cattle wade in it,  dogs and other animals will
encounter it for sure over time.

Algae creates problems in plastic nutrient barrels.  We paint them black,
then white in an attempt to solve the problem.  There is a maximum
temperature for nutrients, and soil or growing media that real growers know
all about.

Fishermen do not like the stuff, but no matter, it is a necessary evil the
world over.

Like virtually everything else, ..  Proper Balance is the key to
keep the world going around.

So, don't declare WAR on Algae and Phytoplankton, ... just yet.

Don't curse it, instead bless it !

Tons more I could tell you, but that should be enough.

Wayne






 

Re: Re: CS>dog hit by car

[Dee]

What does this mean 'believe that all healing was finished on the cross?' 
Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Acmeair
Date: 07/15/08 03:32:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Re: CS>dog hit by car
 
>From: leslie1053 
>Date: 2008/07/14 Mon PM 07:23:20 CDT
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>dog hit by car
 
>just wanted to say I am praying now for (him?). Let the vet give him
>something for pain and BELIEVE that all healing was finished on the cross.
>Leslie

Re: CS>curad Re: silver-digest Digest V2008 #416

[Tad Winiecki]

On Jul 14, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Dan Nave wrote:

This is a problem with penetration of CS into wounds.  You have to use 
DMSO or something if you want it to penetrate. 

 
I would think a properly placed electric field may cause it to 
penetrate too.  That means one probe (+) on top of the wound and one 
(-) positioned so the current would go thru the wound.  As it is, with 
the Curad, the electric field and silver ions are just on the surface.

 
Dan



My 96  yo MIL can take 6 weeks to heal from a simple wound.  Once she 
cut her lag just brushing the edge of a cardboard box flap.  Presently 
she has a 3" long by 3/8" wide wound that appeared mysteriously, and we 
are using my 3 color LED on it a couple of times a day in addition to a 
brief application of hydrogen peroxide, then CS, then a bandage with a 
prescription antibiotic salve.  It seems to be healing faster.


Nancy


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RE: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[bob Larson]

i think once people beat their problem they move on mostly.
i've read lots of testimonials of folks who've beat hep-c with CS, but
mostly on places like the mesosilver website...
i have yakked with folks who know someone, has a friend or relative or
something, who beat it but that's always been second hand refs with the
actual person not available.
personally, i have it and CS saved my ass, turned it around fast and
thorough, and has kept it under control since fall '06.  i don't know if
i'll ever clear completely though.  i'm just finishing the 4th month of
drinking almost a liter/day to see what that does.  i don't think i've
cleared but am symptom free.  it'll be interesting to see what happens if i
stop CS altogether... i might try that in another week or so.

i'd almost forgotten usenet exists.  i wonder if my current ISP even has a
server available?




> -Original Message-
> From: cyndiann9 [mailto:cyndia...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:47 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?
>
>
> bob Larson wrote:
> > ...which hep-C group?
> >
> > that stuff is true... sort of... sometimes... maybe... in some
> forms with
> > some people.
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> It's a newsgroup called alt.support.hepatitis-c
>
> I was trying to find out details from people actually going through the
> "official" clinics.
>
> Is there anyone on here that has actually beat hep c with CS or other
> alternative medicine?
>
> Cyndi
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