Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, Most LEDs need a resistor in series with them to limit the current and keep them from blowing up. Most common LEDs use about 10 to 20 milliamps. Unless you have more than one resistor in your setup you are cooking at what I would consider a pretty high current limit. People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS water usually clear, Pure water seems to give varying colours from clear/pink/gold, but never darker), and TE. I assumed this was fairly good stuff. After spending many hours reading all the 'rumours', (I have to call them rumours as it's impossible to find 'dead set facts', if you get my meaning), I have sort of made up my own mind as a result until I find someone who actually can definitely confirm what is 'good' and what is 'not', you see what I mean here, an abundance of info/misinfo/anecdotal/could be this/could be that/this is a pretty colour/that is a pretty colour etc etc. Oh, the rainwater CS tastes like I have eaten a jam tin though. Neville. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSalt and Lyme
Some links at foot of post, as you should go to the sites specific to the protocol to check out the whole deal. Brine Therapy as a standalone: Preparation of Himalayan Crystal Salt Brine Loosely fill a closable glass container (such as a Mason jar) with several crystal or rock salt pieces. Add pure spring or energized water, completely filling the container. After approximately 24 hours, look to see if the salt pieces have completely dissolved. If so, add a few more crystals. When the water can no longer dissolve any more salt, the salt crystals will sit at the bottom of the jar without dissolving. At this point the solution will have become saturated at 26%, ready to use as brine. The glass can be refilled again and again with water and salt, continuing this process. This brine solution is stable, and absolutely sterile germ-free. It can be stored for years in a closed glass container without it changing or decomposing. Directions for Many Uses of Himalayan Salt Brine Brine Therapy and the Drinking Cure For Detoxification, Various forms of Arthritis, Skin Problems (rashes, herpes), Reducing Addictive Desires, Flu and Fever Relief, Rid Yourself of Heavy Metal Toxicity, Balance Your Body's pH The easiest way to dissolve old sodium chloride poisons built up as crystalline deposits in your system is to take the brine drinking cure. From a bio-chemical viewpoint, within minutes, your whole stomach and intestines are being stimulated. This further stimulates your digestion and metabolism. Your overall availability of electrolytes is built up, and thus the conductivity in your body is increased, which in turn affects your circulation. The salt allows your energy currents to flow freely once again. Drinking Himalayan Salt Brine is an excellent way to balance the pH factor of your body. You can also eliminate toxicity from heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic and calcium. The brine is able to break up the metal's molecular structures. Every morning on an empty stomach, take anywhere from one drop to one teaspoon of Himalayan Salt Brine, with a glass of energized water. Wait 10 minutes before eating or drinking anything else. The amount you take is not as important as the regularity. It's better to take it regularly than in large doses. It is very important to drink lots of energized water throughout the day. Lyme specific: What I could find indicated equal quantities of each, but you should go to the Lyme sites to get the details. But you start small! Then go up noting the reactions on the way. As far as treatment goes, the results were forthcoming with the taking of 8 grams or more. We have actually increased to as much as 24 grams, but find that no one really wants to take that many pills in one day. Remember it is a one-two punch: the treatment is both salt and vitamin C. Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, MS, Salt and C protocol, saunas, A Dr Whitaker at Bowen Lab found Lyme in 100% of fibromyalgia sufferers tested. It has also been found that many people diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis (cause unknown) have been found to be suffering from Lyme Disease (which while usually attributed to a tick bite is now found to be acquired in other ways also.) People on the Lymestrategies list have found Igenex and Bowen lab tests reliable for testing for Lyme, but other orthodox tests do not reveal it. Lymephotos.com has a number of microscope photos of organisms observed in the body of Lyme patients, and the original Salt and Vitamin C protocol is listed there. The salt indicated on that protocol is salt tablets. However, some people are taking sea salt, Celtic salt Himalayan or other good, mineral rich salt and Vitamin C and finding it also is effective in killing spirochetes etc. in the body. They start with a small dose such as 1 gram a day and increase gradually, with most marked results coming from the higher doses. There are a variety of symptoms as it takes effect, skin eruptions etc. The herxes are pretty powerful, and people can also be surprised to find tiny parasitic creatures exiting the body through the skin or mucous membranes as they seek to escape the dehydrating effects of the salt. Some believe it would work for Morgellons and other unusual infestations also. People on the protocol take salt in a variety of ways as they choose, some dissolved in water, others pop a little in their mouth from a measured dose in a dish throughout the day, some in capsules. Taking it with food, while good, is not counted as part of the dose. We have been so indoctrinated to avoid salt that we are lacking in it, as is our food. In former times, people consumed from 20 to 40 grams a day. However, today the salt most people use is refined sodium chloride, which has none of the original natural minerals. So many old remedies involved salt solutions, such as bathing the eyes with it, sniffing it
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
G'day Andy, It'a amazing what one learns isn't it, I always thought power ran FROM the positive TO the negative but going on what I am reading it is 'PUSHED', so to speak, from the NEG to the POS. I have looked at power backwards all my life. Apparently I am using 60+ current but the thing is, I usually use distilled water and have never got it yellow or golden before, it has always been clear with the resultant ppm level I have stopped process at. I did get a couple of tests done years ago when first getting into EICS, and not knowing what to ask for specifically, but the results were, OH, and this was when I was using my battery generator as well...Test #1)...250ml glass of Distilled water, (temperature unknown), 5 minute brew time resulted in 2.5ppm in solution with total aggregate of 6. I don't believe I had an LED in circuit then either, can't remember as too long ago. Now, I can only assume the 6 represents the total amount of silver both in solution and particle content as I didn't know much about what testing was required back then ? I don't really know what the 6 represented ? The 2.5 would obviously represent the ionic content. Test #2)...250ml glass of Distilled water, (again temp unknown), 15 minute brew time resulting in 3.9ppm in solution, (again, this would be the ionic content), and 4.6 total silver aggregate. And again, I don't know what the 4.6 represents? I am assuming it is total ppm of silver in the solution...both ions and particles. Oh, and the size was .2 micron, (They used a .2 micron filter so I guess the particulate silver content passed through the filter, or something like that anyway, so the particles are less than 2 microns. Will study microns more closely a little later, have read heaps but have other points of higher priority I need to get an understanding of first, they can come a little later. P.S. Yes, I need to play around with multimeter more to get a better familiarity with how to read 1 or 10, 100, 1000 etc. Slow and steady wins the race though! It usually takes a while for me to 'get' things but when I do then I have 'got' it. I freely admit I am not the sharpest knife in the draw, not when it comes to damn electrickery anyway. Cheers...Neville. - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Hi Neville, Most LEDs need a resistor in series with them to limit the current and keep them from blowing up. Most common LEDs use about 10 to 20 milliamps. Unless you have more than one resistor in your setup you are cooking at what I would consider a pretty high current limit. People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS water usually clear, Pure water seems to give varying colours from clear/pink/gold, but never darker), and TE. I assumed this was fairly good stuff. After spending many hours reading all the 'rumours', (I have to call them rumours as it's impossible to find 'dead set facts', if you get my meaning), I have sort of made up my own mind as a result until I find someone who actually can definitely confirm what is 'good' and what is 'not', you see what I mean here, an abundance of info/misinfo/anecdotal/could be this/could be that/this is a pretty colour/that is a pretty colour etc etc. Oh, the rainwater CS tastes like I have eaten a jam tin though. Neville. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Andy, I forgot to say that I found out in my 'studies' what that flat spot represents on an LED as well...DUH!! I am astonished at how I could have been playing around with CS for so long not having a clue what I am doing, basically, and only going on colour and meter! But it has worked for me though, (well, I believe it has). lol. - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Hi Neville, Most LEDs need a resistor in series with them to limit the current and keep them from blowing up. Most common LEDs use about 10 to 20 milliamps. Unless you have more than one resistor in your setup you are cooking at what I would consider a pretty high current limit. People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS water usually clear, Pure water seems to give varying colours from clear/pink/gold, but never darker), and TE. I assumed this was fairly good stuff. After spending many hours reading all the 'rumours', (I have to call them rumours as it's impossible to find 'dead set facts', if you get my meaning), I have sort of made up my own mind as a result until I find someone who actually can definitely confirm what is 'good' and what is 'not', you see what I mean here, an abundance of info/misinfo/anecdotal/could be this/could be that/this is a pretty colour/that is a pretty colour etc etc. Oh, the rainwater CS tastes like I have eaten a jam tin though. Neville. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIodine, Allergic ? ( other food problems )
Nenah, What you said was very interesting about iodine causing the release of mercury, etc. I wonder if it isn't one of the reasons many with thyroid issues benifit from supplementing with Selenium, since Selenium has a way of removing mercury and other heavy metals from the system? I believe Iodine also has the ablility to destroy virus, bacteria, and fungus. The symptoms you describe would indicate die-off. I have the other problem. If I get too much iodine I get shakey and a little hyper. I have been working on building up the Adrenals which appear insufficient. I believe you can't handle iodine very well with weakened Adrenals. At least that seems to be my experience. I had most of my thyroid removed. Then I was on Synthyroid for about 25 years. My thyroid must have atrophied from that. I am on Armour now and some other supplements. Thanks for the comment. Paula Well put, Wayne. Often, people do not realize that what's happening is not an allergy, but is the result of what the nutrient is doing in the body. For instance, iodine can cause toxic metals like mercury, lead and cadmium to be released from the fat cells into the bloodstream. This can manifest as fatigue, muscle aches, fever, diarrhea, brain fog, etc. This is actually a DETOX process, and not an allergy to iodine itself. An important distinction. Sometimes, the form in which the mineral occurs is problematic. One woman was unable to take Lugol's (normally effective for most people, and well tolerated), but she could assimilate her iodine from lobster. An expensive, but life-saving diet. With others, it's the opposite. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
Morning Andy, At 03:08 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: Most LEDs need a resistor in series with them to limit the current and keep them from blowing up. True Indeed. Some stand very little over current. Most common LEDs use about 10 to 20 milliamps. Unless you have more than one resistor in your setup you are cooking at what I would consider a pretty high current limit. They almost need a driver transistor so they would be more effective with very low current flow, used to provide higher intensity and more current to the LED. I use my LED to reject water. If it glows at all with water alone, or more that a microscopic glow, the water is too conductive and contains something, I will not use it for making CS. What I wanted to tell you, I have connected LED'S into 480, 3 phase voltage. These were indicators I needed for boiler and large motor control systems. A conventional lamp would have been safer I suppose, but would not last as long as the LED's. I have some LED's that have lasted 25 years. Sooner of later, some monkey will come along that has the mind set that all LED's are connected to low voltage DC. How wrong can he be ? He may get a tingle and a shock, if he does not use his meter and realize that the monkey before him, may not think like he does. That was years before I became addicted to electrical safety. I suppose I should have used a transformer, and a very low value fuse. Or a warning sign that says,... Hey you nut ? Be careful with this LED ! Who would believe it anyway. The main point is, .. Be suspicious and cautious of all electrical circuits. The Resistor, the Diode, and the LED could all offer a shock, and kill you. One of the stupidest things I ever saw a man do, Was the safety officer at a large hospital. I stood right beside him and saw him try hard to get killed. He shook, quivered, and scared me half to death. His left hand was gripping the center support ( metal ) of a large cabinet. ( not a good thing to do under any condition ) His right hand gripped the end of a fuse that failed to come out of a fuse holder. No doubt his shaking and quivering caused the fuse to loose contact with the higher voltage in time How long does it take ? 1 second ? Actually much less. Survival Lessons exist every day, ... if you are lucky enough to get the lesson, and live thru it. Wayne = People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS water usually clear, Pure water seems to give varying colours from clear/pink/gold, but never darker), and TE. I assumed this was fairly good stuff. After spending many hours reading all the 'rumours', (I have to call them rumours as it's impossible to find 'dead set facts', if you get my meaning), I have sort of made up my own mind as a result until I find someone who actually can definitely confirm what is 'good' and what is 'not', you see what I mean here, an abundance of info/misinfo/anecdotal/could be this/could be that/this is a pretty colour/that is a pretty colour etc etc. Oh, the rainwater CS tastes like I have eaten a jam tin though. Neville. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPower ? How fast does if flow ?
Morning Neville, At 04:27 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: It'a amazing what one learns isn't it, I always thought power ran FROM the positive TO the negative but going on what I am reading it is 'PUSHED', so to speak, from the NEG to the POS. It does not matter much which way the current goes. That is an age old classical question you will learn about in due time. It would be better if you just skipped it. I have looked at power backwards all my life. Power, What is that ? It does not normally flow, it sits in one place and does the job, work, or whatever. ( and it can be very dangerous too ) The term is not used often in descriptions of electrical circuits. ( I did not say NEVER ) It is somewhat general, and says very little. The reader had to visualize what you meant. Apparently I am using 60+ current but the thing is Again, I have not a clue what you are saying, and if you confuse me, I am sure many others do not know either. grin This is not to say, I cannot figure it out from you messages. But... If you would study and get your terms in order, the help offered would be of much greater value to you. What really concerns me, is, . One of your circuits will read your messages, and decide,.. I am really doing it wrong ! What I need to do is.. Blow UP ! P.S. Yes, I need to play around with multimeter more NO ! Stop playing and start working. I freely admit I am not the sharpest knife in the draw, not when it comes to damn electrickery anyway. What can I say ? You almost leave me speechless at times. A dull knife, pushed hard enough, in the right place, can get the job done. grin ( don't ask for any more details or instructions on how to do that ) Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSParticle size - Comments please
At 12:21 PM 9/5/2008 -0500, you wrote: Inhaling silver dust? Now that scares me. Silver miners do it and only 1 in 2000 are smurfs. Also have the lowest absentee rates due to colds and flu. Ode - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 05 08:30:10 2008 Subject: RE: CSParticle size - Comments please 90% of an **inhaled** dose of finely divided silver **dust** was excreted by dogs in 30 days though the feces. [Phalen and Morrow 1973] The only way that silver can do that, is though the blood stream. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Cancer is a viable DNA mutation...a cell replication error that's not too far off to stay alive and replicate the error.Mutation has many causes. Instead of fiddling with resistors, get a potentiometer and dial in the resistance you want that puts the current where you want. Toenails are darned near waterproof. The fungus lives not only in the nail bed, but also in the nail itself. CS kills it in the nail bed pretty well, but only slows it down in the nail itself as the fungus grows around imbedded immobile silver. If your nails grow fast, that's sometimes good enough. Ode At 01:54 PM 9/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 9/4/2008 2:55:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s...@asis.com writes: electronic components: Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly; Get Some Now My electronic class (Air Force) left off the GSN part. Also I forget if its black brown or brown black. Our school had the half clothed Indian maiden named Sohc-ah-to-a. Trig functions were never a problem there after. Sine o/h Cosine a/h tangent o/a. I printed your e-mail and will keep it in the garage where I do my CS generation. Just the other day I decided to add a resistor to my 2 1/2 gallon aquarium CS generator that old Bob helped me put together and he has in his handbook. If I got distracted I would end up with black sludge. I wanted to limit the current to 8 ma. Over the years the 8 ma CS seems to work for me. I got my stack of mixed resistors and had a tough time finding the right resistors as I forgot the color code. My $3 meter also helped to identify the right ones. First batch I forgot the time and ended up with a batch of black 18 PPM per my PWT. Added several capfulls of H2O2 which cleared it. Plan to use it for sinus flushes and CPAP. I have been trying 17 drops MMS activated plus DMSO activated foot baths for toenail fungus. Also I used mySilver Pulsar (SOTA) with probes in separate tubs. The Silver Pulsar needed a resistor as its zap was too much even at its minimum output. Used the color code again for a 2.2K resistor. I can now turn the volume up to near maximum. Royalrife says the DC offset voltage pulls mold toxins out like the ionic foot baths advertised. I know fungus is a problem as I have high uric acid levels which are said to be created by fungus. CS falls flat trying to treat a fungus. I am wondering how come the success of CS for cancer (Trem) when they now say cancer is a fungus (DR Simoncilli). MMS is said to be effective against fungus problems Brickey -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
If you can watch yourself do that in a mirror, you WILL have a sense of humor. Hysterical laughter counts the same as a scream...it's a scream laughing at itself. ...one of my favorite sports..except maybe for mental masturbation. Dayam, that didn't work REAL good, but at least it was hard and took a long time. ! Who screamed that? Oh, I'm the only one here. YYYAAA One, two..four ..and ten. Good, they're all still there...it's a fine day when I don't have to stop counting at 8 and carry the two in my pocket. Ode At 07:51 AM 9/6/2008 +0930, you wrote: Sense of humour, invaluable, god forbid if we ever lose that, thanks ode. Sorry, but it's just too easy to break out into uncontrolled hysterics when frustration reaches a certain level. Good morning anyway. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
- Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ? Morning Wayne, Not sure if you are directing this at me? Just in case you are I would like to say that the although the adaptor I am using plugs in to 240 Volt mains supply, (our mains power supply is 240 V), it is 24Volt DC output. Not sure if you are thinking I am using 24 volt AC MAINS SUPPLY power on my CS generator, as that is NOT the case, it runs on DC not AC. I can also remember when I was 3 or 4 years old, (long before school), my mother screamed from the laundry and as I walked in to see her she told me to get out, rather abruptly, (I thought I had done something wrong you see, and as it happened I almost DID), I can still see here in my minds eye today getting the strength up to rip her clenched hand off the top of the agitator on the old washing machine and after doing so immediately lying down on a bed. To this day I will never understand how she managed to remain alive, considering the time lapse spoken of here, and ripping her clenched hand free from the machine due to the electricity acting on the muscles in her fingers, and not being killed, (one tough SOB I guess). When I was older she told me that she yelled at me because she knew I would touch her and then I would get it also. From this I always approach electricity with the back of my hand as if it is live I won't grasp whatever it is I touch...she taught me that. There's a little 'story' as well. I know how dangerous mains power can be Wayne, don't worry about that. That lesson is well embedded in my mind and this is why I am doing my utmost to get a better understanding now, even if it is only 'piddly' DC. Would like to re-iterate, I am not sure if you are referring to me here, but if so...no disrespect or offence intended. I can't see how you would take this as either of those two anyway, but nevertheless I needed to say that. Neville. They almost need a driver transistor so they would be more effective with very low current flow, used to provide higher intensity and more current to the LED. I use my LED to reject water. If it glows at all with water alone, or more that a microscopic glow, the water is too conductive and contains something, I will not use it for making CS. What I wanted to tell you, I have connected LED'S into 480, 3 phase voltage. These were indicators I needed for boiler and large motor control systems. A conventional lamp would have been safer I suppose, but would not last as long as the LED's. I have some LED's that have lasted 25 years. Sooner of later, some monkey will come along that has the mind set that all LED's are connected to low voltage DC. How wrong can he be ? He may get a tingle and a shock, if he does not use his meter and realize that the monkey before him, may not think like he does. That was years before I became addicted to electrical safety. I suppose I should have used a transformer, and a very low value fuse. Or a warning sign that says,... Hey you nut ? Be careful with this LED ! Who would believe it anyway. The main point is, .. Be suspicious and cautious of all electrical circuits. The Resistor, the Diode, and the LED could all offer a shock, and kill you. One of the stupidest things I ever saw a man do, Was the safety officer at a large hospital. I stood right beside him and saw him try hard to get killed. He shook, quivered, and scared me half to death. His left hand was gripping the center support ( metal ) of a large cabinet. ( not a good thing to do under any condition ) His right hand gripped the end of a fuse that failed to come out of a fuse holder. No doubt his shaking and quivering caused the fuse to loose contact with the higher voltage in time How long does it take ? 1 second ? Actually much less. Survival Lessons exist every day, ... if you are lucky enough to get the lesson, and live thru it. Wayne = People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS
Re: CSPower ? How fast does if flow ?
What can I say Wayne...Now you have me speechless. BIG g. Yeah, perhaps I had better just take one step back and hide in the shadows for a while until I learn to talk in better terminologies. I'll do some more...(hate to say it), 'printing', and continue my 'studies'. Hopefully I shall return 'better educated'. Yep, and I can see that I should have said 'amps' not 'current'. Yes/No? It's ok, I shall return. N. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: CSPower ? How fast does if flow ? Morning Neville, At 04:27 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: It'a amazing what one learns isn't it, I always thought power ran FROM the positive TO the negative but going on what I am reading it is 'PUSHED', so to speak, from the NEG to the POS. It does not matter much which way the current goes. That is an age old classical question you will learn about in due time. It would be better if you just skipped it. I have looked at power backwards all my life. Power, What is that ? It does not normally flow, it sits in one place and does the job, work, or whatever. ( and it can be very dangerous too ) The term is not used often in descriptions of electrical circuits. ( I did not say NEVER ) It is somewhat general, and says very little. The reader had to visualize what you meant. Apparently I am using 60+ current but the thing is Again, I have not a clue what you are saying, and if you confuse me, I am sure many others do not know either. grin This is not to say, I cannot figure it out from you messages. But... If you would study and get your terms in order, the help offered would be of much greater value to you. What really concerns me, is, . One of your circuits will read your messages, and decide,.. I am really doing it wrong ! What I need to do is.. Blow UP ! P.S. Yes, I need to play around with multimeter more NO ! Stop playing and start working. I freely admit I am not the sharpest knife in the draw, not when it comes to damn electrickery anyway. What can I say ? You almost leave me speechless at times. A dull knife, pushed hard enough, in the right place, can get the job done. grin ( don't ask for any more details or instructions on how to do that ) Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Unable to respond at the moment...just fell out of the chair and am on the floor...when I regain suitable composure I'll reply ode! 'Morning... - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. If you can watch yourself do that in a mirror, you WILL have a sense of humor. Hysterical laughter counts the same as a scream...it's a scream laughing at itself. ...one of my favorite sports..except maybe for mental masturbation. Dayam, that didn't work REAL good, but at least it was hard and took a long time. ! Who screamed that? Oh, I'm the only one here. YYYAAA One, two..four ..and ten. Good, they're all still there...it's a fine day when I don't have to stop counting at 8 and carry the two in my pocket. Ode At 07:51 AM 9/6/2008 +0930, you wrote: Sense of humour, invaluable, god forbid if we ever lose that, thanks ode. Sorry, but it's just too easy to break out into uncontrolled hysterics when frustration reaches a certain level. Good morning anyway. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPower ? How fast does if flow ?
Morning Neville. At 08:25 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: have me speechless. BIG g. Yeah, perhaps I had better just take one step back and hide in the shadows for a while until I learn to talk in better terminologies. No, don't do that. You can learn then one by one. I had a hard time learning, likely harder than you. My problem was, I had no one to ask, at that time. I had to read, study, experiment, scratch my head, then read some more. I was at a party one night, and this guy told me, IBM was hiring technicians. I went home, right then, and started studying. When I went in for my second interview, I met this guy in the lobby. I was a bit early. We talked about bass fishing and the effect weather had on the bass. Yes, I was a half fast expert at bass fishing. I told him many things. A short while later, I found out, He was the branch manager, and his decision to hire me, may have been about bass fishing, instead of electronics. Did I con IBM ? I have often wondered about that. I'll do some more...(hate to say it), 'printing', and continue my 'studies'. Hopefully I shall return 'better educated'. If you can find what you print ? grin I can find a file, quicker than finding any paper. Plus, I have 25 to 35,000 text files and about 30,000 medical articles and E books. I still have all my files from the days of BBS's, Fidonet, and Survival Net. If you could calculate how much paper and how much ink that would take, Glory BE ! Yep, and I can see that I should have said 'amps' not 'current'. Yes/No? It's ok, I shall return. No matter what you say, . some of us can figure it out. Often I say, . Don't read what I wrote, read what I meant. I think that is my phrase, but you can borrow it, anytime. grin Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: Salt and Lyme. . . . Note of Warning!
Rowena and group - If anyone is planning on using salt for Lyme, please do yourselves a favor and learn the correct treatment protocol. You will find the directions for the protocol over at Lymestrategies along with a couple thousand members who correspond about it on a daily basis and have for over five years who are experienced and knowledgeable about this protocol. The Lymestrategies protocol is absolutely NOT the recipe written below. It is a simple recipe of sea salt and Vitamin C in ratio to body weight and a strict ramp-up over time methodology. Those who do use the Lymephotos approach below often find themselves in REAL TROUBLE because they ramp up to fast and don't have an understanding as to the physiological effects. This will cause much toxicity to be released so quickly in the body that the body can not eliminate it fast enough. And much of the time the paths of elimination are blocked and not effectively working You will then feel extremely sick and uncomfortable and in the middle of a huge Herx looking for help and what to do. If you suspect you have Lyme or want to know what the symptoms are please join http://health.groups.yahoo com/group/lymestrategies/ S-Max ---Original Message--- From: Rowena Date: 9/6/2008 1:28:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSalt and Lyme Some links at foot of post, as you should go to the sites specific to the protocol to check out the whole deal. Brine Therapy as a standalone: Preparation of Himalayan Crystal Salt Brine Loosely fill a closable glass container (such as a Mason jar) with several crystal or rock salt pieces. Add pure spring or energized water, completely filling the container. After approximately 24 hours, look to see if the salt pieces have completely dissolved. If so, add a few more crystals. When the water can no longer dissolve any more salt, the salt crystals will sit at the bottom of the jar without dissolving. At this point the solution will have become saturated at 26%, ready to use as brine. The glass can be refilled again and again with water and salt, continuing this process. This brine solution is stable, and absolutely sterile germ-free. It can be stored for years in a closed glass container without it changing or decomposing. Directions for Many Uses of Himalayan Salt Brine Brine Therapy and the Drinking Cure For Detoxification, Various forms of Arthritis, Skin Problems (rashes, herpes), Reducing Addictive Desires, Flu and Fever Relief, Rid Yourself of Heavy Metal Toxicity, Balance Your Body's pH The easiest way to dissolve old sodium chloride poisons built up as crystalline deposits in your system is to take the brine drinking cure. From a bio-chemical viewpoint, within minutes, your whole stomach and intestines are being stimulated. This further stimulates your digestion and metabolism. Your overall availability of electrolytes is built up, and thus the conductivity in your body is increased, which in turn affects your circulation. The salt allows your energy currents to flow freely once again. Drinking Himalayan Salt Brine is an excellent way to balance the pH factor of your body. You can also eliminate toxicity from heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic and calcium. The brine is able to break up the metal's molecular structures. Every morning on an empty stomach, take anywhere from one drop to one teaspoon of Himalayan Salt Brine, with a glass of energized water. Wait 10 minutes before eating or drinking anything else. The amount you take is not as important as the regularity. It's better to take it regularly than in large doses. It is very important to drink lots of energized water throughout the day. Lyme specific: What I could find indicated equal quantities of each, but you should go to the Lyme sites to get the details. But you start small! Then go up noting the reactions on the way. As far as treatment goes, the results were forthcoming with the taking of 8 grams or more. We have actually increased to as much as 24 grams, but find that no one really wants to take that many pills in one day. Remember it is a one-two punch: the treatment is both salt and vitamin C. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSalt and Lyme. . . . Note of Warning!
Rowena and group - If anyone is planning on using salt for Lyme, please do yourselves a favor and learn the correct treatment protocol. You will find the directions for the protocol over at Lymestrategies along with a couple thousand members who correspond about it on a daily basis and have for over five years who are experienced and knowledgeable about this protocol. The Lymestrategies protocol is absolutely NOT the recipe written below. It is a simple recipe of sea salt and Vitamin C in ratio to body weight and a strict ramp-up over time methodology. Those who do use the Lymephotos approach below often find themselves in REAL TROUBLE because they ramp up to fast and don't have an understanding as to the physiological effects. This will cause much toxicity to be released so quickly in the body that the body can not eliminate it fast enough. And much of the time the paths of elimination are blocked and not effectively working You will then feel extremely sick and uncomfortable and in the middle of a huge Herx looking for help and what to do. If you suspect you have Lyme or want to know what the symptoms are please join http://health.groups.yahoo com/group/lymestrategies/ S-Max ---Original Message--- From: Rowena Date: 9/6/2008 1:28:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSalt and Lyme Some links at foot of post, as you should go to the sites specific to the protocol to check out the whole deal. Brine Therapy as a standalone: Preparation of Himalayan Crystal Salt Brine Loosely fill a closable glass container (such as a Mason jar) with several crystal or rock salt pieces. Add pure spring or energized water, completely filling the container. After approximately 24 hours, look to see if the salt pieces have completely dissolved. If so, add a few more crystals. When the water can no longer dissolve any more salt, the salt crystals will sit at the bottom of the jar without dissolving. At this point the solution will have become saturated at 26%, ready to use as brine. The glass can be refilled again and again with water and salt, continuing this process. This brine solution is stable, and absolutely sterile germ-free. It can be stored for years in a closed glass container without it changing or decomposing. Directions for Many Uses of Himalayan Salt Brine Brine Therapy and the Drinking Cure For Detoxification, Various forms of Arthritis, Skin Problems (rashes, herpes), Reducing Addictive Desires, Flu and Fever Relief, Rid Yourself of Heavy Metal Toxicity, Balance Your Body's pH The easiest way to dissolve old sodium chloride poisons built up as crystalline deposits in your system is to take the brine drinking cure. From a bio-chemical viewpoint, within minutes, your whole stomach and intestines are being stimulated. This further stimulates your digestion and metabolism. Your overall availability of electrolytes is built up, and thus the conductivity in your body is increased, which in turn affects your circulation. The salt allows your energy currents to flow freely once again. Drinking Himalayan Salt Brine is an excellent way to balance the pH factor of your body. You can also eliminate toxicity from heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic and calcium. The brine is able to break up the metal's molecular structures. Every morning on an empty stomach, take anywhere from one drop to one teaspoon of Himalayan Salt Brine, with a glass of energized water. Wait 10 minutes before eating or drinking anything else. The amount you take is not as important as the regularity. It's better to take it regularly than in large doses. It is very important to drink lots of energized water throughout the day. Lyme specific: What I could find indicated equal quantities of each, but you should go to the Lyme sites to get the details. But you start small! Then go up noting the reactions on the way. As far as treatment goes, the results were forthcoming with the taking of 8 grams or more. We have actually increased to as much as 24 grams, but find that no one really wants to take that many pills in one day. Remember it is a one-two punch: the treatment is both salt and vitamin C.
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
I sure would like to know where the heck Mike is this is sickening...debbie --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com wrote: From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 10:04 AM Unable to respond at the moment...just fell out of the chair and am on the floor...when I regain suitable composure I'll reply ode! 'Morning... - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. If you can watch yourself do that in a mirror, you WILL have a sense of humor. Hysterical laughter counts the same as a scream...it's a scream laughing at itself. ...one of my favorite sports..except maybe for mental masturbation. Dayam, that didn't work REAL good, but at least it was hard and took a long time. ! Who screamed that? Oh, I'm the only one here. YYYAAA One, two..four ..and ten. Good, they're all still there...it's a fine day when I don't have to stop counting at 8 and carry the two in my pocket. Ode At 07:51 AM 9/6/2008 +0930, you wrote: Sense of humour, invaluable, god forbid if we ever lose that, thanks ode. Sorry, but it's just too easy to break out into uncontrolled hysterics when frustration reaches a certain level. Good morning anyway. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSParticle size - Comments please
Re: CSParticle size - Comments pleaseyeah, that's the kind of thing where you can end up with big problems like convulsive seizures and organ damage. the scariest stuff that i found in gov't websites re silver dangers always turns out to be from something like industrial exposure situations. has nothing to do with drinking CS. i thought the part of the silver not assimilated through the intestines (too large particles) would come out through the stool, but the fine part that gets through and around in the body gets pissed out? is that wrong? ...i hate my poor unpredictable memory but often forget about it's unreliability. -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSParticle size - Comments please Inhaling silver dust? Now that scares me. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 05 08:30:10 2008 Subject: RE: CSParticle size - Comments please 90% of an **inhaled** dose of finely divided silver **dust** was excreted by dogs in 30 days though the feces. [Phalen and Morrow 1973] The only way that silver can do that, is though the blood stream. Ode At 03:09 PM 9/4/2008 -0700, you wrote: Hi; this is a little too mechanistic to account for the body's ability to break down and recombine not only proteins sugars and fats but also mineral constituents of what we ingest. Nevertheless, it's been stated here in the past that 80 - 90% of CS is excreted through the bowel; I don't know if this is really true or not, but there are a few confusion factors to muddy the issue for ya.g On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:54 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Ok, I am responding to my own query. If I have something wrong, let me know. This may only be an exercise without use except as my attempt to understand CS and it's limits as best as I can. What I have found: * Nothing on the permeability limits of sublingual although I expect it to be less than the intestinal permeability. * The permeability of the intestines allows the passing of molecules up to 9200 Daltons, typically. * While Daltons is a measure of molecular weight, 9200 Daltons roughly equates to 13 Angstroms. * As a sanity test, NaEDTA is used to measure intestinal permeability. Being a relatively large molecule (approximately 11 Angstroms) it has roughly a 5% (to maybe 18%) absorption rate. One can measure the levels of NaEDTA in the blood stream against the expected amount that should have been absorbed and determine if the permeability of the intestines is to high or too low. This correlates well with the previous statement. * CS with a yellow color has particle sizes in the .01 to .001 micron (10 to 100 Angstroms). * This would mean that most if not nearly all the CS particles in a yellow batch is not absorbable by the digestive system. (assuming a symmetrical distribution such as an even or Gaussian distribution) * There are factors such as pH and electrical charge that can increase or decrease absorption. * This would also mean that little CS is absorbed sublingually. Comments? Ideas? - Steve N -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSParticle size Does anyone know what the maximum size particle is that can be absorbed into the body either sublingually or through the stomach and intestines? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1652 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:54 PM
RE: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
CS taken internally has been clearing my toenail fungus. when i noticed that all the small toes were fresh and new and the worst thickened distorted big one growing in clean also i started spraying some on my toes and socks and inside my shoes also. i put often some Lugol's around the edges of the one worst toe still not grown/trimmed all the way to new nail. the stuff i could scrape from under the thickened edge used to stink, but it never does anymore... so it's dead, just has to grow so it can be cut off. so i wouldn't say CS doesn't do fungus. MMS doesn't seem to be all that great for fungus, at least not all fungus. some folks end up with candida overgrowth after a bunch of MMS for awhile. i suspect the regular high dose MMS if not used wisely (timing around food/supps) depletes the body of what it needs to control such things on it's own, so it'll start off killing it but after awhile results diminish. i think i'd try alternating regularly between MMS and CS in the footbath? -Original Message- I have been trying 17 drops MMS activated plus DMSO activated foot baths for toenail fungus. Also I used mySilver Pulsar (SOTA) with probes in separate tubs. The Silver Pulsar needed a resistor as its zap was too much even at its minimum output. Used the color code again for a 2.2K resistor. I can now turn the volume up to near maximum. Royalrife says the DC offset voltage pulls mold toxins out like the ionic foot baths advertised. I know fungus is a problem as I have high uric acid levels which are said to be created by fungus. CS falls flat trying to treat a fungus. I am wondering how come the success of CS for cancer (Trem) when they now say cancer is a fungus (DR Simoncilli). MMS is said to be effective against fungus problems Brickey It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSParticle size - Comments please
Actually I would beg to differ about the plastic Marshall, as I have had negative experiences with it. I still use it, but have to 'season' the bottles first i.e. put in either distilled water or made CS and leave it for a few days. If it is made CS, it will go yellow and then I tip it away and can then use it for the next brew. This has happened with brand new PET 1 bottles. dee Marshall Dudley wrote: There is no problem storing CS in plastic, as long as the proper kind of plastic is used, and it is clean. 30 ppm for EIS is about the limit of what can be produced and remain stable. It is very difficult to make stable 30 ppm. Basically it has to be composed of 13 ppm of silver oxide 13 ppm of silver hydroxide, and 4 ppm of colloid. That is the saturation level of silver oxide and silver hydroxide. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
Hi Neville, I don't think you've got DC theory down yet and AC theory is already rearing it's ugly head for you. Safety first, though. 240VAC (that is, Volts [of] Alternating Current) is deadly; I was taught the One hand in your pocket rule regarding ANY high voltage. This tends to reduce the chance of passing electric current from one hand to the other through the heart; glad your mom survived! So; on to the mythical 24 volts DC from a wall-wart; Alternating Current is electricity that varies in a smooth (we hope) manner, over time, 50 or 60 times per second, with the voltage pushing it rising to a maximum value which is about 1.4 times higher than the stated value of, for instance, a positive 120 Volts, then sinking in value through 0 Volts, then proceeding smoothly until a minimum (i.e. maximum negative) value of about 1.4 times negative 120 Volts, returning through 0 volts again and so on. there is a difference of 240 volts electrical potential between the greatest positive ROOT-MEAN-SQUARE value and the greatest negative RMS value. Why the confusion factor of 1.4 times? (RMS?)? Aahhh, AC theory, that's why! If you were to simply use a Direct Current value of 240 volts (240VDC) between the supply and return electric lines there would be quite a bit more power available in the lines than there is when the AC voltage is at less than it's maximum positive or negative value for significant parts of the alternating cycle. To compensate - more or less [Bad pun, Bad!]- for this the electrical engineering wizards in their infinite mathematical wizardry calculated that upping the ante to 1.414141... times the nominal value for AC would give the same power carrying capacity that a DC supply at that nominal value would exhibit; simple, no? No. But there you are. There are some weird consequences to this hokey-pokey, one being that your 24VDC wall-wart can yield about 1.4 times its nominal voltage when it is very lightly loaded. More fun; Malcolm On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 22:33 +0930, Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ? Morning Wayne, Not sure if you are directing this at me? Just in case you are I would like to say that the although the adaptor I am using plugs in to 240 Volt mains supply, (our mains power supply is 240 V), it is 24Volt DC output. Not sure if you are thinking I am using 24 volt AC MAINS SUPPLY power on my CS generator, as that is NOT the case, it runs on DC not AC. I can also remember when I was 3 or 4 years old, (long before school), my mother screamed from the laundry and as I walked in to see her she told me to get out, rather abruptly, (I thought I had done something wrong you see, and as it happened I almost DID), I can still see here in my minds eye today getting the strength up to rip her clenched hand off the top of the agitator on the old washing machine and after doing so immediately lying down on a bed. To this day I will never understand how she managed to remain alive, considering the time lapse spoken of here, and ripping her clenched hand free from the machine due to the electricity acting on the muscles in her fingers, and not being killed, (one tough SOB I guess). When I was older she told me that she yelled at me because she knew I would touch her and then I would get it also. From this I always approach electricity with the back of my hand as if it is live I won't grasp whatever it is I touch...she taught me that. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIodine, Allergic ? ( other food problems )
Wayne Fugitt wrote: I read your long message, Very Interesting indeed. At 06:40 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: Fish and kelp fertilizers are increasingly used by home gardeners also. Iodine I am extremely allergic/senstive to, Glad you used the word, sensitive. One of my daughters appears to be allergic to iodine, she thinks she is, and has had reactions, will not eat shrimp, and anything that contains very much iodine. While I am not disagreeing with you, my daughter, and many others, it is very hard for me not to do it. It is beyond my belief and all my years of study, to believe anyone can be allergic to a proven, known, necessary nutrient. It does happen. I have mostly stopped using the word allergic because it produces such a knee-jerk but you can't be allergic to a necessary nutrient reaction. Even doctors who should know better react that way. However, let me say for the record what I have is a true IgE mediated allergic histamine reaction to iodine, and sufficient antihistamines control it. People have DIED of anaphylactic reactions to iodine, and from my personal experience I don't believe those reactions have been solely due to other components of iodine compounds. It is almost like someone saying, I am allergic to protein I am allergic to fat I am allergic to carbohydrate ! I am allergic to a couple of things commonly found in all of those except possibly pure fat. So far as I can find in years of researching iodine in foods, the lowest iodine content food is white sugar, oh, and also either pepsi cola or coca cola (original). Iodine is totally impossible to avoid (well unless I confine myself to eating white sugar with a spoon) but there is a level that is so low it doesn't cause a reaction, or at least a troublesome reaction. The problem is since iodine is ubiquitous and mostly hidden once one stops eating anything from the ocean, I have no way to determine what my highest safe level of intake is. And everyday some new food I could eat yesterday now has an iodine containing ingredient added. The canned chicken that was a staple of my diet when I couldn't find natural raw chicken now has sea salt, where formerly it had non-iodized plain salt. What if someone said, I am allergic to Water ? Given the toxins common to tap water all over the U.S. these days, such a statement would not surprise me. As in *I* would not be allergic to anything but ocean products, if iodine and iodine containing ingredients were not commonly added to foods. Nearly 25 years ago when this allergy popped up almost literally overnight, that is all I had to do, once it was determined the cause was iodine, I just stopped eating ocean fish, and seafood and seaweeds. That was it. I could still use iodized salt too. And I could actually eat fish about once a month if the serving was small. 25 years later, I haven't used iodized salt in at least 15 years, have to strictly limit eggs, broccoli, asparagus, many nuts and seeds, and so on. Every time I get iodined and have a reaction I become more sensitive to it. And it gets easier and easier to get too much. And even th ough I avoid it so assiduously, I have not developed a goiter in all that decade and a half. Which I've been told means I am NOT succcessfully eliminating it. Probably a good thing, but I wish I knew what my reaction limit is and how many mcg of iodine in what foods. Except for salt this factoid is amazingly difficult to find out. Instead iodine is listed in ppm in some foods at some sites, and other foods are simply listed as low or high in iodine content. Now,.. my two bit opinion I firmly believe that there is a problem with Body Chemistry Metabolism Intercellular Communications,( or all three ) I have no problem agreeing with that. SOMETHING went awry in my body for me to be allergic to iodine, and for the allergy to happen so suddenly. Unfortunately, so far, I have not found a way to fix it, whatever it is. Many of my attempts to get healthier have made me worse in fact. I can deal with most of it one way or the other, but it is hard to eliminate the root cause when there is no way to know what it is. ality, ever. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIodine, Allergic ? ( other food problems )
Clayton Family wrote: bear with me now: what if the reaction she has to the iodine is because of getting way too much of another halogen, like maybe bromine, or maybe even chlorine? They react similarly chemically, so maybe it is a simple thing to figure out. There is a lot of bromine in processed food. I have been unable to find any serious studies proving the bromine idea. Plus for me personally, I don't use very much processed food, at least ones that contain bromine. Of course, it could be hidden, as is iodine. Maybe chloride is also a problem? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSadrenal fatigue
Will write to you off-list. I have too much to post here, LOL. sol Dee wrote: Does anyone have any info on adrenal fatigue (sol?) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVaricose veins?
Hi, My Husband has just discovered why his legs are aching and swollen, He has varicose veins. DOes anyone have any good natural forms of treatment and healing? Sincerely, Barb M.faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSIodine, Allergic ? ( other food problems )
Hi Sol I have a longish file on bromine, but I'll just put a couple of excerpts here: Bromide is an insidious, additive used in many common products, and as a pesticide. Because of the sheer amount of bromide-supplemented products, exposure to this man-made additive has caused a depletion of iodine in human populations. Studies in lab animals provide alarming evidence that even small amounts of bromide exposure can be toxic. (1) What products contain bromide? Currently, bromide is found in pesticides (methyl bromide), some bread products (potassium bromate), brominated vegetable oil that may be added to citrus-flavored drinks, hot tub cleansers, certain asthma inhalers and prescription drugs, plastic products, some personal care products, some fabric dyes, and as a fire retardant in mattresses, carpeting, etc. (See expanded Products' Discussion Below.) ** Back in 1999, the Center for Science in the Public Interest petitioned the FDA to prohibit the use of potassium bromate, charging that the FDA has known for years that bromate causes cancer in lab animals, but has failed to ban it. (24) As of September 2007, the US FDA responded to Breast Cancer Choices inquir with the statement, Potassium Bromate is still listed as a safe additive. WATER When drinking water containing bromide is exposed to ozone, bromate ion, a powerful oxidizing agent, is formed. Two significant recalls of drinking water involving bromate have occurred: Wegmann's Food You Feel Good About Spring Water Recall in 2006, and Coca-Cola's Dasani in 2004. (25) TOOTHPASTE, MOUTHWASH AND GARGLES Potassium bromate is an antiseptic and astringent in toothpaste, mouth and gargles. Very toxic if taken internally. May cause bleeding and inflammation of gums in toothpaste. (26) BROMIDE IN FLAME RETARDANTS Flame retardants reduce the flammability of a wide variety of commercial and household products. Some brominated home retardants migrate from the products in which they are used and are entering the environment and people. (27) PERSONAL PRODUCTS AND SOME COSMETICS Sodium bromate in Products: Permanent Waves, Hair Dyes, Textile Dyes Sodium bromate is in permanent wave neutralizers, hair dye material, and the textile dyeing process. (28) Benzalkonium is used as a preservative in some cosmetics. (29) ___ Chloride should not be a problem, but chlorine sure is. The website: www.breastcancerchoices.org is loaded with info on all the halogens that displace iodine, and why this is a problem (obviously no help to those with an iodine allergy, though) Sharon M I have been unable to find any serious studies proving the bromine idea. Plus for me personally, I don't use very much processed food, at least ones that contain bromine. Of course, it could be hidden, as is iodine. Maybe chloride is also a problem? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVaricose veins?
Hi, My Husband has just discovered why his legs are aching and swollen, He has varicose veins. DOes anyone have any good natural forms of treatment and healing? Sincerely, Barb M. You might look here = http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=358 Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVaricose veins?
Thanks! I have looked into it and will take action!. Sincerely, Barb M. ---Original Message--- From: Smitty Date: 9/6/2008 11:17:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVaricose veins? Hi, My Husband has just discovered why his legs are aching and swollen, He has varicose veins. DOes anyone have any good natural forms of treatment and healing? Sincerely, Barb M. You might look here = http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=358 Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSVaricose veins?
I am 72 and don't have a spider vein or varicose vein anywhere on my body. The trick is to increase circulation. The way I did it was to suffer through high doses of niacin ( the flushing type is necessary) You have to start small like 100 mg and work up until you can stand two or three grams a day' It opens up the smallest of veins and gives the whole body the circulation it needs to keep your skin smooth and your organs working properly. Dave B Magnatta wrote: Hi, My Husband has just discovered why his legs are aching and swollen, He has varicose veins. DOes anyone have any good natural forms of treatment and healing? Sincerely, Barb M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVaricose veins?
I might add that I also rid myself of restless leg syndrome and toe nail fungus a the same time and haven't had a relapse so I still take 500 grams a day for maintenance. A word of caution, if you stop for very long you have to start small and work up all over. BTW that was four years ago I started this regimen. Dave B Magnatta wrote: Hi, My Husband has just discovered why his legs are aching and swollen, He has varicose veins. DOes anyone have any good natural forms of treatment and healing? Sincerely, Barb M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
