Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi, almost forgot; the clothes dryer is infamous for collecting lint, dust, and after years of use, suddenly catching on fire. This is not the best way to clean it though. Usually the front panel can be wangled free and the truly incredible amounts of foof peeled off the motor, pulleys and whatnot. Definitely a worthwhile airborne toxin reduction method! On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: > Dear List, > > I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have > accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the > fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a > pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and > let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that > this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what > with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good > way to do it. > > It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, > but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or > something. > > Thanks, Kathryn > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Oops, now in plain text with corrections... Isn't Mike saying I = E/R Where I is directly proportional to E and inversely proportional to R? watts still = I x E Now, whether electrons speed up and slow down, I don't know about that... Andy In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:46:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Evening Mike, At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: >The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the >current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster >in the wire. In that case, how can one calculate watts ? Measure or guess ? Unless I misunderstand it, ... what you stated disproves ohms law. I guess I misunderstand it Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Isn't Mike saying I = E/R Where I is directly proportional to E and inversely proportional to R? Now,weather electrons speed up and sow down, I don't know about that... Andy In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:46:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Evening Mike, At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: >The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the >current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster >in the wire. In that case, how can one calculate watts ? Measure or guess ? Unless I misunderstand it, ... what you stated disproves ohms law. I guess I misunderstand it Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Hi Kathryn, It’s not that bad. There is a liberal city council and a liberal arts university so you get some freaky white kids. They threaten professors that do research on flies and rats or sit in redwood trees and refuse to come down. The gangs are Mexican kids who stab each other over the numbers 13 and 14. Several years ago they declared Santa Cruz a nuclear free zone and it must be working because we haven’t had a single nuclear attack. There are plenty of so called normal people here too. We play golf all year long in a tee shirt and shorts while looking at the ocean. Where do you live? Andy In a message dated 9/12/2008 10:53:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, clay...@skypoint.com writes: OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look like a right winger- town of santa cruz. Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park > so that > people can smoke medicinal marijuana. > How are things going in your town? (^_^) > > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 > > Best wishes, > Andy > > In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > csa...@netzero.net writes: > > Dear Silver List Members, > Check out the video at this link. > http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video- > Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Gee, Mike, ok, I won't say anything more. I am not on the OT list anymore, so I am sorry I won't be able to read what you have to say. You could copy it to me directly, though. As you know, tongue in cheek does not come through well in text media. I know alot of people in Santa Cruz (relatives and friends) and have been there alot as well. Take care, Kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:54 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: I think we'd better squelch this line of discussion. Right or Left, it's all humanity, and its manifold failures won't be a productive thing to discuss on the main list... I do have a response, which I'll post on the Off Topic list. Thank you, Mike Devour silver-list owner very expensive place to live... very pretty, no ghettos. either -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Frozen shoulder.
Roger, Yes... acupuncture. Bob - Original Message - From: "Roger Barker" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: CS>Frozen shoulder. Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Frozen shoulder.
> Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? > Cheers, Roger There's some info here = http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=970 Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Frozen shoulder.
Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
STOP IT!! My hysterical laughter is becoming more uncontrollable! I'm still trying to recover from your comment. N. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts Hee, Hee, I love it when you talk dirty, Marshall... Chuck What if there were no hypothetical questions? On 9/12/2008 4:16:26 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Dan Nave wrote: > The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown > parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. > I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an > inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. > > Dan > The time value of the voltage would be: E = V*e^-(.1rt) where r is the value of the resisitor in ohms, and t is in seconds. V is the initial voltage when unplugged or turned off. e is of course the base of the natural logarithm. Marshall No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
EXCELLENT!! Just love that. Thanks Chuck, I can't stop laughing. Sorry. N. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville Neville, Maxwells equations, not Marshall, ... Chuck Some national parks have long waiting lists for camping reservations. When you have to wait a year to sleep next to a tree, something is wrong. On 9/12/2008 1:00:39 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville [In metals and other good conductors, the medium by which current flows > is usually moving electrons. They sort of pick themselves up and glide > along the atomic lattice of the metal from atom to atom, while the > nuclei of the metal atoms stay locked in place by various atomic > forces. So it's reasonable to state that electrons are flowing from the > negative terminal of your battery, through the wires and load, and back > to the positive terminal. ] OK, so in this case we do have a directional 'flow', of sorts, yep got that. Actually saw a schematic of that on that Marshall mesh thing so I do believe I know where you are going there. (Lucky I started reading that on Chucks suggestion!). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
OK, job done, now that it seems I have successfully got a few of you at each others throats, I'll just back out now and disappear into the sunset.No, joking of course. Hey look, of all the explanations and analogies etc I have to work with I do believe I'm building up a picture of how 'things' actually work here. Jeez, if nothing else it certainly has prompted some conversation! I hope you show similar patience and tolerance to the next duma$$ who may decide poke his nose in here.he will probably need to be sitting back aways from the computer screen just out of reach I suspect! No, this has been very good, I will continue to go through all that yous' have said. I am starting to get a picture of how it works and am even beginning to understand voltage, current etc and terminologies. Mike wrote: [Yep, the actual *things* that flow in this case are electrons that move from negative to positive through your circuit. "Conventional" current happens to be in the opposite direction of electron flow] This, I am going to look at a little more closely. In my language again, I could say...electrons 'flow' one way but current flows in the opposite direction, or perhaps...the positive could be thought of as a 'magnet' maybe, pulling the electrons to the negative while the electrical 'flow' of current actually goes the opposite way...yes?.hang on a minute, stop there!...is this the 'gliding' thing someone spoke of? current flows in a particular direction which causes electrons to 'slide', 'glide', 'slip' past and be 'forced' if you like, the opposite way..wait for it...due to the voltage, ie; 'pressure' being applied to those same 'electrons'...yes? So if one is talking about 'current', then that will go one way but if one is talking about 'electrons' then they will go the opposite way, which is why it's hard to get a definitive answer about 'direction' unless it is specified what one is talking about...ie; current or flow! I eagerly await a reply to this one! Neville. - Original Message - From: "Malcolm" To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville Didit; but other than that small glitch it was an excellent explanation for Neville's purposes, Props!! On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:59 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: Okay, guys, I yield! But if you can come up with *better* imagery that's intuitive *and* rigorous, I'm all ears! Mike D. > Evening Mike, > > At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: > >The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the > >current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster > >in > >the wire. > >In that case, how can one calculate watts ? > >Measure or guess ? > >Unless I misunderstand it, ... > what you stated disproves ohms law. > >I guess I misunderstand it > >Wayne > > = > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Hee, Hee, I love it when you talk dirty, Marshall... Chuck What if there were no hypothetical questions? On 9/12/2008 4:16:26 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: > Dan Nave wrote: > > The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown > > parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. > > I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an > > inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. > > > > Dan > > > The time value of the voltage would be: > > E = V*e^-(.1rt) > > where r is the value of the resisitor in ohms, and t is in seconds. V is > the initial voltage when unplugged or turned off. e is of course the > base of the natural logarithm. > > Marshall No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Neville, Maxwells equations, not Marshall, ... Chuck Some national parks have long waiting lists for camping reservations. When you have to wait a year to sleep next to a tree, something is wrong. On 9/12/2008 1:00:39 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "M. G. Devour" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:48 PM > Subject: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville > > > > [In metals and other good conductors, the medium by which current flows > > is usually moving electrons. They sort of pick themselves up and glide > > along the atomic lattice of the metal from atom to atom, while the > > nuclei of the metal atoms stay locked in place by various atomic > > forces. So > it's reasonable to state that electrons are flowing from the > > negative terminal of your battery, through the wires and load, and back > > to the positive terminal. ] > > OK, so in this case we do have a directional 'flow', of sorts, yep got that. > Actually saw a schematic of that on that Marshall mesh thing so I do believe > I know where you are going there. (Lucky I started reading that on Chucks > suggestion!). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
On 9/12/2008 2:51:48 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: >Lastly, you may want to read some of the materials on the alleged >dangers of consuming microwaved foods. We use ours a lot less than we >used to. Yeah, That was why I had a mw've to convert to CS maker supreme. We had ditched ours, sometime before because of the cautions of microwaved food. Who needs it... Chuck Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
Re: CS>High Voltage CS
You're right Andy. More so with the methods used for neon xfmers than the microwave setup. You either use a CO2 blanket or be sure the 'trodes are both under water. Arcing over the water surface and the humid air conditions will cause nitric acid to form (not a good thing). Chuck Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to? On 9/12/2008 2:56:26 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > Regarding making CS with high voltage (neon sign transformers and > microwave > ovens): Isnât there a problem with nitrates and nitrites being induced > into > the solution from the atmosphere unless precautions are taken (such as > doing > it under a blanket of inert gas)? > > Andy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Didit; but other than that small glitch it was an excellent explanation for Neville's purposes, Props!! On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:59 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: > Okay, guys, I yield! But if you can come up with *better* imagery > that's intuitive *and* rigorous, I'm all ears! > > Mike D. > > > Evening Mike, > > > > At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: > > >The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the > > >current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in > > >the wire. > > > >In that case, how can one calculate watts ? > > > >Measure or guess ? > > > >Unless I misunderstand it, ... > > what you stated disproves ohms law. > > > >I guess I misunderstand it > > > >Wayne > > > > = > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] >
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Kathryn,how didya know? Yeah, actuelly we'r all from Sirius the Dawg star 'bout a hunnert years ago, gran sed, we'r diffrnt'n you an we'r same's each other and we'r gonna take over yore "good ol' yew ess of ayy" any day now, soon's we kin get straight enuff Oh, wait, thass the rednecks gonna dew thet; er did they? Shucks, it's jes impossible t'keep it all clear less'n you gots a TEEVEE ta sort it out fer ya. Cain't hardly get no reeceptshun here, thass the problum, dumbhead naydivs outta sillicone valley keep thinkin' they're thinkin'. An' Talk! whyn't they jes Shut-Up like Mistr O reilly tol'um to, betcha he come from a nuther planit too like us'n Dumbheads!thinks they knows better'n othr'ns jes cuz they went ta sum dumbass school; we don' need no dumbass school ta tell US what ta think about. An I allready knowed video cures cancer, so ther! Abjure obfuscation uncle wiggly On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 12:53 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: > OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look > like a right winger- town of santa cruz. > > Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. > > kathryn > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > > > In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park > > so that > > people can smoke medicinal marijuana. > > How are things going in your town? (^_^) > > > > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 > > > > Best wishes, > > Andy > > > > In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > csa...@netzero.net writes: > > > > Dear Silver List Members, > > Check out the video at this link. > > http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video- > > Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Okay, guys, I yield! But if you can come up with *better* imagery that's intuitive *and* rigorous, I'm all ears! Mike D. > Evening Mike, > > At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: > >The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the > >current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in > >the wire. > >In that case, how can one calculate watts ? > >Measure or guess ? > >Unless I misunderstand it, ... > what you stated disproves ohms law. > >I guess I misunderstand it > >Wayne > > = > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Evening Mike, At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. In that case, how can one calculate watts ? Measure or guess ? Unless I misunderstand it, ... what you stated disproves ohms law. I guess I misunderstand it Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Adrenal Fatigue info sources
Per Wayne asking why not send to the whole list, I have decided to do so. Not a complete list, just sources I've found personally helpful and informative. Books (in no particular order) "Adrenal Fatigue: the 20th Century Stress Syndrome" by James L. Wilson, N.D., D.C., PhD "Safe Uses of Cortisol" William McK. Jefferies, M.D. F.A.C.P. "feeling fat, fuzzy, or frazzled" Richard Shames, MD, and Karilee Shames PhD, RN "The Hormone Solution: Stay Younder Longer " Thierry Hertoghe, M.D. "From Fatigued to Fantastic" (2007 rev. ed.) Jacob Teitelbaum, M.D. "Your Thyroid and how to keep it healthy" (2nd ed.) Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield "Pets at Risk" Alfred J. Plechner, DVM (don't laugh some good info here) Websites (no particular order) http://www.globalrph.com/corticocalc.htm http://www.hormonerestoration.com/ http://www.drrind.com/metabolic.asp http://www.drlam.com/a3r_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ emails lists/forums http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/index.php (I've seen reports of good adrenal info found here, but darned if I can find it--I don't play well with the forum format, any forum) This is by no means a comprehensive list of sites/books/info available, or even of the info I have saved, but maybe it will help give a starting place. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Dan writes: > I take exception to this characterization. Electricity in a metal > conductor moves at the speed of light. Yes, Dan, the effects of an EMF propagate at the speed of light, but individual *electrons* don't! (To the extent they exist as discrete objects at all!) The ping-pong balls in a tube analogy illustrates this. > You are opening a can of worms talking about the speed of flow of > actual electrons or charges... No doubt, and I don't expect any of this to stand up to rigorous analysis... The question is, can it give Neville at least an intuitive grasp of the concepts? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Yes, a good point! In fact often you can short out a capacitor several times in a row and get a spark each time; Yikes! High voltage capacitors are especially likely to behave this way, because the insulating element that separates the two "plates" of the cap becomes formed by the electrical pressure - the voltage - impressed on it. this tends to drive it's electrons toward or away from the positive or negative plates. When the voltage is removed, the electrons tend to migrate back to their former positions and induce a further charge on them, a new equilibrium. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 14:29 -0400, bob Larson wrote: > ...TV's and monitors with CRT's can accumulate charge in unplugged storage > even if the cap is drained initially. i forget how it works, but it's > apparently true. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts > > > > > > The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a > > resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how > > long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. > > > > Dan > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Ummm, On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: > Dear Neville, > > You write: > > > [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is > > > proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by > > > ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.] > > > > As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow', > > (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? > > The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current > will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the > wire. well not really, though more of them will be moving in the (roughly) same direction past a given point; that is, after all, what "Current" is. It's not that the electrons run faster from end to end, hence increasing the current; it's that higher voltage crowds them in more densely: for yet another very imperfect analogy, more get stuffed into the subway train, but the train doesn't go any faster, and so more get out at their destination, per unit of time (hours if you live in New York!) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
I take exception to this characterization. Electricity in a metal conductor moves at the speed of light. You are opening a can of worms talking about the speed of flow of actual electrons or charges... Dan > -Original Message- > From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:37 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville > > Dear Neville, > > You write: > > > [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is > > > proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, > and limited > > > by ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.] > > > > As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker > the 'flow', > > (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? > > The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the > current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving > faster in the wire. Any given electron will be scooting along > the wire at a higher velocity, literally calculable in some > meters per second. Amperage is actually a measure of the > number of charge carriers (electrons in this > case) that flow past a fixed point in a unit of time. > > > > [As it turns out the *convention* of current flow from > plus to minus > > > was created before they figured out what was actually > carrying the > > > current, and stuck, as tradition often does.] > > > > OK, now we come to the better bit. Traditional thinking, (of old > > perhaps), supposes that 'something moves, or travels' in a > particular > > fashion...up and down, left to right, right to left, over > and under, > > plus to minus...and so it was 'supposed' this was the case with > > electricity 'moving or travelling' from positive to negative or > > negative to positive... yes? Sorry, I sort of can't > explain that any > > better. Electricity being an unknown entity if you like. > > I think it goes all the way back to some of the earliest > experimenters with electricity, like Volta, maybe... I think > he was the first to build a "battery" using acid and > dissimilar metals. I think he just arbitrarily picked one > pole and called it "positive" and *postulated* or assumed a > "positive" current flowing from it to the negative pole... > Not knowing at the time that the actual carriers were > electrons flowing in the opposite direction. > > So, conventional "current" measures a hypothetical positive > charge carrier moving from the positive terminal to the > negative. In most situations, the *real* current is the flow > of electrons in the opposite direction. > > If you break a circuit and hook the positive (red) lead of > your ammeter to the side closest to the positive supply > terminal and the negative lead to the other, then the current > that you read on the display should be a positive number. > Reverse the meter leads and you should get a minus sign in > front of the same number. > > > [Of course, there are materials other than metals that can carry > > > current, including semiconductors like they make transistors, > > > diodes, and integrated circuits with, and, as in our > case, water in > > > an electrolysis cell.] > > > > Now, by this I assume you are referring to current > 'travelling' from a > > starting point, on one end of a circuit board as an example, and > > 'travelling' along the 'circuits' to the other end of the board, > > 'directional' if you like...yes? > > Well, on any given circuit board conductors go all over so > the geometry is seldom that simple, but if you trace the flow > along the conductors, through various components, from the > positive supply connection to the negative, you'll be moving > opposite to the flow of electrons, but > *with* the "conventional" current. > > > > [Now, in water, you may actually have both electrons > flowing *and* > > > atoms or molecules of the solvent (water) or solutes (silver or > > > salt, or > > > whatever) flowing in different directions...] > > > > Now don't anyone freak out here but in my language this would > > be...'electricity travelling' between the two electrodes, but in > > combination with silver, water molecules and any impurities > which may > > be in the water which would be affected by the 'electricity', and > > these molecules etc would be 'drifting' in the water...yes? > Stay with > > me here if you can, I'll get proper terminologies down > better later on. > > Yep, that sounds about right... > > I think really pure distilled water won't carry much current > at all, so there's very little electron flow in the fluid as > there is in metals... > I think what has to happen is you have to wait for the tiny > fraction of water molecules that spontaneously dissociates > into H+ and OH- ions under normal conditions to provide the > "seed" so to speak, for more current to flow later as silver > gradually gets into the water and provid
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Dan Nave wrote: The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. Dan The time value of the voltage would be: E = V*e^-(.1rt) where r is the value of the resisitor in ohms, and t is in seconds. V is the initial voltage when unplugged or turned off. e is of course the base of the natural logarithm. Marshall -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts Dan Nave wrote: The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Give me the value of the resistor, and the capacitors, and I can tell you exactly how fast it will discharge. Marshall Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Many toxins are actually bits and pieces of dead bacteria and fungi or their excretion products; thus the microwave may actually contribute more toxins to some minor degree. Also there are many parts of the oven that aren't irradiated, but just collect dust and particulate debris because of that durn fan blowing air and making dust-bunnies. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 13:15 +0100, Dee wrote: > I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any > toxins in it! dee > > Clayton Family wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have > > accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the > > fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a > > pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and > > let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me > > that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned > > what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any > > good way to do it. > > > > It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, > > but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards > > or something. > > > > Thanks, Kathryn > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Dear Neville, You write: > > [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is > > proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by > > ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.] > > As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow', > (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. Any given electron will be scooting along the wire at a higher velocity, literally calculable in some meters per second. Amperage is actually a measure of the number of charge carriers (electrons in this case) that flow past a fixed point in a unit of time. > > [As it turns out the *convention* of current flow from plus to minus was > > created before they figured out what was actually carrying the > > current, and stuck, as tradition often does.] > > OK, now we come to the better bit. Traditional thinking, (of old > perhaps), supposes that 'something moves, or travels' in a particular > fashion...up and down, left to right, right to left, over and under, > plus to minus...and so it was 'supposed' this was the case with > electricity 'moving or travelling' from positive to negative or negative > to positive... yes? Sorry, I sort of can't explain that any better. > Electricity being an unknown entity if you like. I think it goes all the way back to some of the earliest experimenters with electricity, like Volta, maybe... I think he was the first to build a "battery" using acid and dissimilar metals. I think he just arbitrarily picked one pole and called it "positive" and *postulated* or assumed a "positive" current flowing from it to the negative pole... Not knowing at the time that the actual carriers were electrons flowing in the opposite direction. So, conventional "current" measures a hypothetical positive charge carrier moving from the positive terminal to the negative. In most situations, the *real* current is the flow of electrons in the opposite direction. If you break a circuit and hook the positive (red) lead of your ammeter to the side closest to the positive supply terminal and the negative lead to the other, then the current that you read on the display should be a positive number. Reverse the meter leads and you should get a minus sign in front of the same number. > [Of course, there are materials other than metals that can carry > > current, including semiconductors like they make transistors, diodes, > > and integrated circuits with, and, as in our case, water in an > > electrolysis cell.] > > Now, by this I assume you are referring to current 'travelling' from a > starting point, on one end of a circuit board as an example, and > 'travelling' along the 'circuits' to the other end of the board, > 'directional' if you like...yes? Well, on any given circuit board conductors go all over so the geometry is seldom that simple, but if you trace the flow along the conductors, through various components, from the positive supply connection to the negative, you'll be moving opposite to the flow of electrons, but *with* the "conventional" current. > > [Now, in water, you may actually have both electrons flowing *and* atoms > > or molecules of the solvent (water) or solutes (silver or salt, or > > whatever) flowing in different directions...] > > Now don't anyone freak out here but in my language this would > be...'electricity travelling' between the two electrodes, but in > combination with silver, water molecules and any impurities which may be > in the water which would be affected by the 'electricity', and these > molecules etc would be 'drifting' in the water...yes? Stay with me here > if you can, I'll get proper terminologies down better later on. Yep, that sounds about right... I think really pure distilled water won't carry much current at all, so there's very little electron flow in the fluid as there is in metals... I think what has to happen is you have to wait for the tiny fraction of water molecules that spontaneously dissociates into H+ and OH- ions under normal conditions to provide the "seed" so to speak, for more current to flow later as silver gradually gets into the water and provides more charge carriers. Only charged particles will move when you put a voltage across the cell. Uncharged particles, like molecules of sugar, for instance, are not a part of current flow. Ions only! > > Electrons will still flow from your battery's negative terminal, > > through the wire to the negative electrode, through the water to your > > positive electrode, then back through the wire to the battery positive > > terminal. > > Yes, I know what's happening there now, but now we are talking of > 'direction' again, from negative to positive. This was my suggestion > some time ago when I said I had read that 'electricity', or 'current', > is 'pushed' so to
CS>Discharging Capacitors, Finding Power panels
Evening Dan, At 12:39 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote: The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Much of the equipment I have worked on has the bleeder resistors also. If one is in a hurry, and has safety glasses or goggles, I just pick my largest and lousiest screw driver and short the terminals together. Here again, one needs to calculate the size and mass of the arc first. Another valuable trick I learned, In a large building when I cannot fine the place to turn the power off, I just short the hot to the neutral. Then guess what ? Many, many people are helping me look for the proper electrical panel. Wayne -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. Dan > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:25 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts > > Dan Nave wrote: > > The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for > CS, has a > > resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure > > how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. > > > Give me the value of the resistor, and the capacitors, and I > can tell you exactly how fast it will discharge. > > Marshall > > Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>current flow, Learn what you need to know
Evening Neville, >> At 12:00 PM 9/12/2008, Neville wrote: forces. So it's reasonable to state that electrons are flowing from the negative terminal of your battery, through the wires and load, and back to the positive terminal. ] The real question, and when you can answer this one, I will buy your lunch ! "What difference doe it make" ? As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow', (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? I think you forgot temperature and the fact that some current does not flow the same in all parts of the wire. Higher frequencies, lower frequencies, and DC current ! Next you need to study Super conductors and absolute zero. I doubt that you will ever be able to measure it, or even notice any difference. One important thing you are missing. That is to understand what you need to know and what you do not need to no. Some things are important, and others have no effect on the real world of tinkers and experimenters. Learning every thing and thinking you understand it, Will put you in the class with the scientists. Guess what ? Many, if not most, cannot see the forest for the trees. And yes, I know this from experience. Wayne = [However, the *effect* of the voltage pushing your electrons propagates at close to the speed of light around your circuit, as the pressure caused by the applied voltage propagates through the cloud of electrons in the metal.] Yep, I can picture that from the aforesaid Marshall diagram. The higher the voltage, the higher 'pressure', the...I think I'll stop there for the moment. [As it turns out the *convention* of current flow from plus to minus was created before they figured out what was actually carrying the current, and stuck, as tradition often does.] OK, now we come to the better bit. Traditional thinking, (of old perhaps), supposes that 'something moves, or travels' in a particular fashion...up and down, left to right, right to left, over and under, plus to minus...and so it was 'supposed' this was the case with electricity 'moving or travelling' from positive to negative or negative to positive... yes? Sorry, I sort of can't explain that any better. Electricity being an unknown entity if you like. [Of course, there are materials other than metals that can carry current, including semiconductors like they make transistors, diodes, and integrated circuits with, and, as in our case, water in an electrolysis cell.] Now, by this I assume you are referring to current 'travelling' from a starting point, on one end of a circuit board as an example, and 'travelling' along the 'circuits' to the other end of the board, 'directional' if you like...yes? [In semiconductors you may have electrons flowing, as in conductors, or you may need to consider "holes" or the absence of an electron in the crystal lattice of the material, flowing in the opposite direction.] Nup, I'll just skip this one for the time being. Yes the current is still actually carried by moving electrons around, but for reasons understood by the physicists, materials scientists, and engineers who design these things, hole current may be important. Hole current is generally not important to us, however. Yeah, I am still picturing the schematic of Marshall...yes? but I'm skipping the 'hole' thing! [Now, in water, you may actually have both electrons flowing *and* atoms or molecules of the solvent (water) or solutes (silver or salt, or whatever) flowing in different directions...] Now don't anyone freak out here but in my language this would be...'electricity travelling' between the two electrodes, but in combination with silver, water molecules and any impurities which may be in the water which would be affected by the 'electricity', and these molecules etc would be 'drifting' in the water...yes? Stay with me here if you can, I'll get proper terminologies down better later on. Electrons will still flow from your battery's negative terminal, through the wire to the negative electrode, through the water to your positive electrode, then back through the wire to the battery positive terminal. Yes, I know what's happening there now, but now we are talking of 'direction' again, from negative to positive. This was my suggestion some time ago when I said I had read that 'electricity', or 'current', is 'pushed' so to speak, out from the negative and returned through the positive. See what I mean? Or is it that we don't use the 'positive and negative' terminology when water is the electrical current transfer medium...circuit boards require 'direction' if you like whereas water just 'completes' a circuit with no particular 'direction'. Like my analogy of a stop valve in the clock circle, or water pipe circle, the current is apparent when the valve is opened, but not apparent when the val
RE: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
I think we'd better squelch this line of discussion. Right or Left, it's all humanity, and its manifold failures won't be a productive thing to discuss on the main list... I do have a response, which I'll post on the Off Topic list. Thank you, Mike Devour silver-list owner > very expensive place to live... very pretty, no ghettos. > either being so left-wing is good for the economy, or they're a bunch of > two-faced hypocrites being also greedy capitalists on the base level. > wonder which? freedoms allowed doesn't necessarily mean they're abused, > does it? > > i guess hard right places are better, with all their ghettos, crime, > draconian laws (and circumvention of the laws - Tulia, Tx comes to > mind). > > superficial judgments mean little and are dangerous. it's amazing how > different places can be. There's lots wrong with everywhere, in my > observation and experiences... life is fraught. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:53 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video > > > > > > OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look > > like a right winger- town of santa cruz. > > > > Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. > > > > kathryn > > > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park > > > so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going > > > in your town? (^_^) > > > > > > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Andy > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Hey Kathryn, I need some of that good old-fashioned retro condolence, since I lived there in the mid-eighties. Most folks work in San Jose and commute over a road dubbed Blood Alley, because it is curvy and dangerous. I commuted to a company which built the Bradley Fighting Vehicle...yep part of the war machine. Was a very nice place to live and every one was very friendly and welcoming to outsiders...don't know about now...except a good number of folks I worked with lived there and still do. Kindest regards, Craig OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look like a right winger- town of santa cruz. Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
...TV's and monitors with CRT's can accumulate charge in unplugged storage even if the cap is drained initially. i forget how it works, but it's apparently true. > -Original Message- > From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts > > > The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a > resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how > long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. > > Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Dan Nave wrote: The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Give me the value of the resistor, and the capacitors, and I can tell you exactly how fast it will discharge. Marshall Dan -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Godzilla for childs stubborn tooth abcess?
Hi G, If you go to the Yahoo group "Microelectricitygermkiller" you can learn how to make a simple 6 Volt "Godzilla" for under $15. If you want something premade there is someone on that list who likes to keep a fairly low profile who may answer you if you post a request for one. Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: CS>Godzilla for childs stubborn tooth abcess? Can the Godzilla be used on a child's stubborn tooth abcess? Where can one be purchased? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
very expensive place to live... very pretty, no ghettos. either being so left-wing is good for the economy, or they're a bunch of two-faced hypocrites being also greedy capitalists on the base level. wonder which? freedoms allowed doesn't necessarily mean they're abused, does it? i guess hard right places are better, with all their ghettos, crime, draconian laws (and circumvention of the laws - Tulia, Tx comes to mind). superficial judgments mean little and are dangerous. it's amazing how different places can be. There's lots wrong with everywhere, in my observation and experiences... life is fraught. > -Original Message- > From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:53 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video > > > OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look > like a right winger- town of santa cruz. > > Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. > > kathryn > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > > > In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park > > so that > > people can smoke medicinal marijuana. > > How are things going in your town? (^_^) > > > > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 > > > > Best wishes, > > Andy > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Scary stuff! I think I would leave well alone and either get a new one, or not bother with microwaving. dee Norton, Steve wrote: Dee, I believe that she wants to remove the outer case of the microwave and clean where the electronics are. That area is shielded from the microwaves. - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Dan > -Original Message- > From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:23 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts > > Kathryn, > I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation > but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap > water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which > is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and > generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I > tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water > tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape > to keep out water and ammonia. > I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap > water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off > Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be > trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as > well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a > couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. > Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days > unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a > high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. > This is what I would do. > - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look like a right winger- town of santa cruz. Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going in your town? (^_^) http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, csa...@netzero.net writes: Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video- Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>High Voltage CS
I remember hearing about this, yes. Silver nitrates was what I heard. kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:56 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Regarding making CS with high voltage (neon sign transformers and microwave ovens): Isn’t there a problem with nitrates and nitrites being induced into the solution from the atmosphere unless precautions are taken (such as doing it under a blanket of inert gas)? Andy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Dear Steve, Malcolm, Mike, Dee, Thank you all for the input and the ideas. I am reading them and mulling them over. Yes, the toxins tend to be airborn. Cleaning appliances can be very time consuming since there are many areas that are not so easy to get to. Buying new ones is certainly simpler, but way more spendy. And no guarantees anywhere in sight. I really hate this stuff, and would rather move, but then there is the money again. I would not even think of cleaning them if I had money, I would just get some new ones, and send the old ones to appliance heaven. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Varification?
Hi Neville, Practically; the silver rod which is wired to the + of the powersupply gets thinner due to electrolysis. OK. Tony On 12 Sep 2008 at 9:22, Neville wrote about : Subject : CS>Varification? > OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a definitive > answer I need to ask? One has a circuit...looking at a clock face, (for the > purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the input power source, say a 9V > Your resident electronics expert...Neville. > > P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
- Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville [In metals and other good conductors, the medium by which current flows is usually moving electrons. They sort of pick themselves up and glide along the atomic lattice of the metal from atom to atom, while the nuclei of the metal atoms stay locked in place by various atomic forces. So it's reasonable to state that electrons are flowing from the negative terminal of your battery, through the wires and load, and back to the positive terminal. ] OK, so in this case we do have a directional 'flow', of sorts, yep got that. Actually saw a schematic of that on that Marshall mesh thing so I do believe I know where you are going there. (Lucky I started reading that on Chucks suggestion!). [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.] As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow', (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? [However, the *effect* of the voltage pushing your electrons propagates at close to the speed of light around your circuit, as the pressure caused by the applied voltage propagates through the cloud of electrons in the metal.] Yep, I can picture that from the aforesaid Marshall diagram. The higher the voltage, the higher 'pressure', the...I think I'll stop there for the moment. [As it turns out the *convention* of current flow from plus to minus was created before they figured out what was actually carrying the current, and stuck, as tradition often does.] OK, now we come to the better bit. Traditional thinking, (of old perhaps), supposes that 'something moves, or travels' in a particular fashion...up and down, left to right, right to left, over and under, plus to minus...and so it was 'supposed' this was the case with electricity 'moving or travelling' from positive to negative or negative to positive... yes? Sorry, I sort of can't explain that any better. Electricity being an unknown entity if you like. [Of course, there are materials other than metals that can carry current, including semiconductors like they make transistors, diodes, and integrated circuits with, and, as in our case, water in an electrolysis cell.] Now, by this I assume you are referring to current 'travelling' from a starting point, on one end of a circuit board as an example, and 'travelling' along the 'circuits' to the other end of the board, 'directional' if you like...yes? [In semiconductors you may have electrons flowing, as in conductors, or you may need to consider "holes" or the absence of an electron in the crystal lattice of the material, flowing in the opposite direction.] Nup, I'll just skip this one for the time being. Yes the current is still actually carried by moving electrons around, but for reasons understood by the physicists, materials scientists, and engineers who design these things, hole current may be important. Hole current is generally not important to us, however. Yeah, I am still picturing the schematic of Marshall...yes? but I'm skipping the 'hole' thing! [Now, in water, you may actually have both electrons flowing *and* atoms or molecules of the solvent (water) or solutes (silver or salt, or whatever) flowing in different directions...] Now don't anyone freak out here but in my language this would be...'electricity travelling' between the two electrodes, but in combination with silver, water molecules and any impurities which may be in the water which would be affected by the 'electricity', and these molecules etc would be 'drifting' in the water...yes? Stay with me here if you can, I'll get proper terminologies down better later on. Electrons will still flow from your battery's negative terminal, through the wire to the negative electrode, through the water to your positive electrode, then back through the wire to the battery positive terminal. Yes, I know what's happening there now, but now we are talking of 'direction' again, from negative to positive. This was my suggestion some time ago when I said I had read that 'electricity', or 'current', is 'pushed' so to speak, out from the negative and returned through the positive. See what I mean? Or is it that we don't use the 'positive and negative' terminology when water is the electrical current transfer medium...circuit boards require 'direction' if you like whereas water just 'completes' a circuit with no particular 'direction'. Like my analogy of a stop valve in the clock circle, or water pipe circle, the current is apparent when the valve is opened, but not apparent when the valve is closed...hence, the positive and/or negative terminology is not used in this case...yes? Be patient! That will be enough for now I think. N.
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Dee, I believe that she wants to remove the outer case of the microwave and clean where the electronics are. That area is shielded from the microwaves. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any toxins in it! dee Clayton Family wrote: > Dear List, > > I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have > accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the > fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a > pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and > let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me > that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned > what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any > good way to do it. > > It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, > but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards > or something. > > Thanks, Kathryn > > > -- > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Thanks for that Mike, I may know my stuff with mobile earthmoving equipment and semi trailers and whatever other work I have been involved in, but electricity...DUH!! I appreciate the patience and tolerance everyone has shown here and will continue with my 'tutorials' while trying to keep my questions to a minimum. If I keep reading and re-reading the info you all have provided the light bulb will eventually flicker into life. It's simply that I've never had a need to know in the past so it's obviously of benefit if I know what is happening so I may be able to see some improvements I could possibly make with my own setups. Just as a point of interest, most information I have researched suggests that the solution should be stirred 'as slow as possible', (without quoting rpm?), while brewing, but going by observations with my equipment and results, I'm not so sure if slow is best. Example: I made a magnetic stirrer using a 12v dc fan with a magnet attached to the fan and use a variable voltage wall plug ac/dc adaptor to alter rpm. The 3v setting is not enough to...how am I going to say this without having someone climb all over my back, ...get the fan spinning, but 4.5 gets it going ok, and relatively slow. When I up the voltage it obviously spins slightly faster but it appears to give a better result. Still experimenting with that though, but this is how it seems to me at the moment. By better result I mean...clear, nothing, oops...'silver' doesn't 'fall out' of solution, pale TE, good ppm and so forth which to me are all really good signs, (ignoring arguments about meters, colour, ion/particle size and content etc etc). I would like to look into, or find out how I can determine what rpm my stirrer is running at with each voltage setting. This again, is another reason why it would be handy to know electronics as I probably could build something out of a timing light used to time car engines to determine my stirrers rpm. But then probably not as they run on high voltage from the coil via distributor...oh well, no matter. There's a few things I would like to do and/or try but can't because I need to know this damn electricity business first. Thanks for those few words of encouragement though, and that goes for all concerned. I guess we can't be an expert on everything. Neville. - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville Dear Neville, You're asking great questions. Keep it up and you'll get it in time. One has a circuit... does the electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-) How about 100 words each on several topics? The answer depends on what the current is flowing in, so lets take a few different cases. In metals and other good conductors, the medium by which current flows is usually moving electrons. They sort of pick themselves up and glide along the atomic lattice of the metal from atom to atom, while the nuclei of the metal atoms stay locked in place by various atomic forces. So it's reasonable to state that electrons are flowing from the negative terminal of your battery, through the wires and load, and back to the positive terminal. The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on. However, the *effect* of the voltage pushing your electrons propagates at close to the speed of light around your circuit, as the pressure caused by the applied voltage propagates through the cloud of electrons in the metal. Think of a tube filled end-to-end with ping-pong balls. Push one in one end, another falls out the other end instantly. As it turns out the *convention* of current flow from plus to minus was created before they figured out what was actually carrying the current, and stuck, as tradition often does. Of course, there are materials other than metals that can carry current, including semiconductors like they make transistors, diodes, and integrated circuits with, and, as in our case, water in an electrolysis cell. In semiconductors you may have electrons flowing, as in conductors, or you may need to consider "holes" or the absence of an electron in the crystal lattice of the material, flowing in the opposite direction. Yes the current is still actually carried by moving electrons around, but for reasons understood by the physicists, materials scientists, and engineers who design these things, hole current may be important. Hole current is generally not important to us, however. Now, in wa
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: * Unplug the microwave for as long a time as you can but I wouldn't do less than three days. Longer is better. Anyone who has worked on TVs has probably been surprised by a charge still on the high voltage capacitor. Once burned you don't forget again and you make sure to discharge the capacitor after that. The capacitors are high quality and can hold a charge for a long time. I am concerned that you could shock yourself if you try and discharge the high voltage and you don't know what you are doing. * Vacuume what dust you can from the microwave. If you have a vacumme with an all plastic hose use it. If it has a metal pipe where you hold the hose, wear heavy rubber cleaning gloves. * There is a plastic duct and fan that is used to vent the microwave and it gets pretty dirty and may have a lot of grease. Esp. if anyone makes microwave popcorn. It is usually easy to remove and clean seperately. * Fill a spray bottle filled with diluted bleach. Use plain bleach - no thickeners or added scents. Have it set for a fine mist. Wear heavy rubber gloves in case there is still voltage on the capacitor. It If there is it could possibly arc up through the spray if you are not insulated. * Spray the insides of the microwave several times over a 15 minute period with the bleach solution * n. Avoid spraying the magnetron if you can. * Dry the microwave by placing it in front of a space heater, moving it occasionally to get all parts of the microwave dried. You want warm air on the microwave but not so close as to get thing hot. I would do this for at least 4 hours. Longer is better. * If you are uncomfortable with this approach don't do it. * If someone else in this forum feels that parts of this approach are not safe then don't do it. * Your safety is more important than saving the cost of a new microwave. - Steve N -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts Dear Kathryn, Malcolm, and group! Anybody tempted to do *anything* around the guts of a microwave oven needs to take all the cautions about high voltages and keeping yourself out of the circuit *VERY* *SERIOUSLY*, as we don't want to lose any of you. Until you know how and why things are dangerous and how to be safe, it's best to stay out of line powered equipment altogether. Back at one place I used to work, there was a fire-sprinkler flood in one of the labs full of racks of electronic equipment. Most stuff was powered off at the time and breakers protected a lot of the rest, but beyond the few things that were damaged, everything was soaked! They dried it all out by putting batches of instruments through one of the medium sized heat treating ovens at something less than boiling temperature overnight. Once everything was *thoroughly* dry it powered up and functioned again. I don't know if your microwave is small enough to fit into your regular oven, but that'd be one way to make sure it's completely dry inside before you try to power it up again. I've used this trick successfully on cell phones, calculators and digital watches that got wet. Just take out the batteries and either replace them or dry them out by hand. Lastly, you may want to read some of the materials on the alleged dangers of consuming microwaved foods. We use ours a lot less than we used to. Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Godzilla for childs stubborn tooth abcess?
Can the Godzilla be used on a child's stubborn tooth abcess? Where can one be purchased? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
BRAVO for Santa Cruz! Bob - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going in your town? (^_^) http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, csa...@netzero.net writes: Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Varification?
New book: 'Harnessing Big Foots foot prints" {They imply he exists, but
don't prove it }
ode
At 06:57 PM 9/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Neville,
As a book I once saw had for a title "There Are No Electrons"
We think there are, they are an explanatory device to help us navigate a
world of Energy we try to fiddle with - - well, I see I've run over your
word limit. . . . . .
On the other hand, there ARE "holes"; Oh yes, the very definitive Lack
of electrons.
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CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
Dear Neville, You're asking great questions. Keep it up and you'll get it in time. > One has a circuit... does the electricity run > directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the > 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 > and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to > complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. > P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-) How about 100 words each on several topics? The answer depends on what the current is flowing in, so lets take a few different cases. In metals and other good conductors, the medium by which current flows is usually moving electrons. They sort of pick themselves up and glide along the atomic lattice of the metal from atom to atom, while the nuclei of the metal atoms stay locked in place by various atomic forces. So it's reasonable to state that electrons are flowing from the negative terminal of your battery, through the wires and load, and back to the positive terminal. The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on. However, the *effect* of the voltage pushing your electrons propagates at close to the speed of light around your circuit, as the pressure caused by the applied voltage propagates through the cloud of electrons in the metal. Think of a tube filled end-to-end with ping-pong balls. Push one in one end, another falls out the other end instantly. As it turns out the *convention* of current flow from plus to minus was created before they figured out what was actually carrying the current, and stuck, as tradition often does. Of course, there are materials other than metals that can carry current, including semiconductors like they make transistors, diodes, and integrated circuits with, and, as in our case, water in an electrolysis cell. In semiconductors you may have electrons flowing, as in conductors, or you may need to consider "holes" or the absence of an electron in the crystal lattice of the material, flowing in the opposite direction. Yes the current is still actually carried by moving electrons around, but for reasons understood by the physicists, materials scientists, and engineers who design these things, hole current may be important. Hole current is generally not important to us, however. Now, in water, you may actually have both electrons flowing *and* atoms or molecules of the solvent (water) or solutes (silver or salt, or whatever) flowing in different directions... Electrons will still flow from your battery's negative terminal, through the wire to the negative electrode, through the water to your positive electrode, then back through the wire to the battery positive terminal. However, there may also be a gradual drift of atoms or molecules from one electrode to the other in the water, provided that they lose or gain electrons from being dissolved. An example would be salt, sodium chloride, which breaks up into positive sodium ions (Na+) and negative chlorine ions (Cl-) when you dissolve it in a polar solvent like water. The sodium ions will be drawn toward the negative electrode and the chlorine ions will be drawn toward the positive electrode. Something like sugar dissolves in water without gaining or losing an electron, so it will have no charge and won't be involved in any current flow. The other obvious example for us would be silver: For every so many electrons that hit the surface of the positive electrode, a proportional number of silver atoms, minus an electron and thus carrying a positive charge, get blown out of their nice cozy crystal lattice and find themselves in the water, lazily drifting toward the negative electrode. Now, since the mass of any atom or molecule is many times the mass of an electron, the linear velocity of the ions will be much less than any electrons whizzing by. The exact magnitudes will be proportional to their mass and lots of other factors on an atomic scale I don't know hoot about. That's why I used words like "lazily drifting" and "gradual drift" to describe their motion above. That's also why stirring can be useful. Because the ions move relatively slowly, they can get lost and end up staying in the water rather than actually *reaching* the opposite electrode's surface, where they lose their net charge, and often decide to stick around in their nice new neighborhood. (Read: That fluffy build-up you get on the negative electrode after a while if you're not stirring and/or switching polarity every once in a while...) Also, a silver ion might randomly pick up an electron somewhere in the water and lose its charge, and thus stop moving toward the negative electrode. It may also bump into another silver atom and start forming a new comfy crystal lattice tha
Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any toxins in it! dee Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
Dear Kathryn, Malcolm, and group! Anybody tempted to do *anything* around the guts of a microwave oven needs to take all the cautions about high voltages and keeping yourself out of the circuit *VERY* *SERIOUSLY*, as we don't want to lose any of you. Until you know how and why things are dangerous and how to be safe, it's best to stay out of line powered equipment altogether. Back at one place I used to work, there was a fire-sprinkler flood in one of the labs full of racks of electronic equipment. Most stuff was powered off at the time and breakers protected a lot of the rest, but beyond the few things that were damaged, everything was soaked! They dried it all out by putting batches of instruments through one of the medium sized heat treating ovens at something less than boiling temperature overnight. Once everything was *thoroughly* dry it powered up and functioned again. I don't know if your microwave is small enough to fit into your regular oven, but that'd be one way to make sure it's completely dry inside before you try to power it up again. I've used this trick successfully on cell phones, calculators and digital watches that got wet. Just take out the batteries and either replace them or dry them out by hand. Lastly, you may want to read some of the materials on the alleged dangers of consuming microwaved foods. We use ours a lot less than we used to. Be well, Mike D. > Malcolm, > True, I may have been lucky but I have also been cautious. I was taught > the method by a TV repairman who used on every TV he repaired as a > standard practice. BTW, when I said put it in the tub I should have > stated that I did not intend it should be a tub filled with water. I was > thinking of a shower or pouring water over the microwave to rinse. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going in your town? (^_^) http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, csa...@netzero.net writes: Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
