date:20090912

As I said, you can't.  Most use TDS meters (total dissolved solids) or  
conductivity meters but it is impossible without these astronomically  
priced spectrometers, to judge absolutely accurately, the actual ppm.   
dee


On 11 Sep 2009, at 21:05, Melly Bag wrote:


Marshall,

That would buy a lot of CS!  No, no, best affordable gadget to  
measure PPM is what i meant.


Melly

Fw: CSnasal spray bottles

I have found nasal sprays at the dollar store with screw on tops...can't get 
cheaper than that,
deb

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From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com
Subject: CSnasal spray bottles
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:43 AM

Where do you buy empty nasal spray bottles to use?  I've looked several places 
and no luck so far.  I'd druther not buy one with a product it in and throw out 
the product, but if I have to...

Alan

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Try oregano oil(3 drops three times a day)  and EIS as  nasal spray and orally 
(sublingual 1 minute).  Stops asthma and allergy attacks for  me instantly.

Melly

-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CSThe Blue Man - too expensive?

It isn't about putting a price on health Smitty, not when I'm spending  
this on water!  It is about finding a suitable one which is not too  
costly, and one which can survive the hard water here.  dee


On 11 Sep 2009, at 21:11, Smitty wrote:


Chuck says =

Well, bite the bullet and buy a distiller.
Over there it will pay for itself.


My feelings also. Don't put a price on your health.
Go buy a distiller.

Smitty


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Re: CSFw: ordering silver rods/help please

Owner of this site belongs to this group I have bought rods from him with no 
problems,
http://www.atlasnova.com/

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Subject: CSFw: ordering silver rods/help please
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 12:20 AM

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Subject: ordering silver rods/help please
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:15:31 GMT

HI, I want to order some silver rods.
Is this a good price and place? Does anyone know.
You can order the silver wire here:

http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/superfines.html#four

Cost is per feet.  Two feet of 12 gauge wire is $24.00 + $6.75 shipping
(within the US) = $30.75
We do carry 14 ga also, it is $8.00/ft.

The 12 ga is thicker and will last longer than the 14 ga.

Either size will be fine.
Please let me know.
Nancy

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CSBeing Blue could be genetic?

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyperry3/Blue_Fugates_Troublesome_Creek.html

Re: CSRe: Water Distiller

Yes so do I, but it depends on the shipping cost.  I went to Livon  
labs to try and get some of the liposomal vit C which cost $39 but the  
shipping was $53!!  So something which weighs as much as a generator,  
will probably be astronomical.  dee


On 11 Sep 2009, at 23:11, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:


Well, I'm in the USA.
I have often bought stuff from the UK as well as from Hong Kong.
No problems unless they just won't ship.
What's your point?

Chuck

Re: CSRe: Water Distiller

I actually have done a lot of research, but still am not sure how the  
one I can afford will perform, and b) if it will be ok with the hard  
water.  I may take Ode's advice about rain water, but you can't rely  
on that.  dee


On 11 Sep 2009, at 23:44, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:


Aw, c'mon,
I'm beginning to think excuses are more important than actually doing
something.
First hit on a search water distillers UK :
http://tinyurl.com/mf576x

Second hit: http://tinyurl.com/nf98ze

Do some yourself...

Chuck

Re: CSTruly puzzled


this link didn't work.  dee

On 12 Sep 2009, at 00:25, Norton, Steve wrote:




The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he  
lived

in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The
combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his
tissues that turned him blue. See:


http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default 
.

aspx

- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSTruly puzzled

I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles
like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what
the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing
with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one
hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other.

I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the
sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how
inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of
whomever meets their price.

If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space
filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted
type story released in print and via television for the express  
purpose

of confusing and scaring people. Again.

There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace.

Annie


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Re: CSFW: asthma- Gina


Nor me.  dee

On 12 Sep 2009, at 02:36, Clayton Family wrote:

Unless I had abundant personal experience with using dmso and cs, I  
would never give it to a child having an asthma attack, unless it  
was proven beforehand that the child could tolerate it. An adverse  
reaction could have very severe consequences. Especially when CS  
alone works really really well, with no chance of such a reaction.


Kathryn

Re: CSTruly puzzled

you don't take *any* minerals when ingesting CS.  Its ok at a  
different time though.  dee


On 12 Sep 2009, at 03:24, Melly Bag wrote:


Steve,

I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one  
ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort  out the silver particles  
from tissues.  However, someone in another group wrote that other  
seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and  can cause  
argyria.  Are these correct?


Melly

Re: CSTruly puzzled

I thought it was selenomethionine which was the reduced form which  
selenium becomes when in the body?  So I would have thought the same  
thing would apply.  dee


On 12 Sep 2009, at 03:50, Norton, Steve wrote:




Melly,
I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will  
remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of  
selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited  
in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can  
cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage.
Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not  
cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver  
and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but  
it does not remove silver directly.
So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly  
removing silver from the tissues.

 I hope this helps.
 - Steve N

Re: CSThe Blue Man


It couldn't be  just that they are cold, could it? lol dee

On 12 Sep 2009, at 10:17, Kirsteen Wright wrote:




On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Neville Munn  
one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:



Sounds to me like they probably *aren't* familiar with EIS if you  
have never heard of anyone involved with it where you are, if that  
be the case then the obvious question is *why* did that particular  
bloke have coloured nail moons? certainly can't be 'cos of silver  
then can it?


Well it could be because although it's not widely known about here,  
I'm sure I'm not the only one in Scotland to use it :-)  It's always  
possible that he, personally, had heard about it somewhere and was  
making and using some form of it.


cheers
Kirsteen

CSTry this one

Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 9:20 AM






http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyperry3/Blue_Fugates_Troublesome_Creek.html

Re: CSThe Blue Man - too expensive?


Trouble is, I haven't even got a fireplace here!  dee

On 12 Sep 2009, at 11:17, Ode Coyote wrote:




 There's a whole lot of folx in Tennessee that believe a few wood  
scraps and a match works just as good as the power company.


Ode


At 04:23 PM 9/11/2009 +0100, you wrote:

Re: CSnasal spray bottles

I got mine at super drug but some plastic bottle companies do them as  
well, like Naturally Thinking.  dee


On 12 Sep 2009, at 13:43, Alan Jones wrote:

Where do you buy empty nasal spray bottles to use?  I've looked  
several places and no luck so far.  I'd druther not buy one with a  
product it in and throw out the product, but if I have to...


Alan

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524

2009-09-12 Thread Melly Bag

Steve,

Thanks for the clarification. Now i am worried that silver in tissues can 
remain there forever. If we ingest homemade EIS, do we get silver deposits in 
tissues with the possibility of them getting stuck? 
Thanks.

Mellhy

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 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:54 PM
 


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Re: CSnasal spray bottles

2009-09-12 Thread Saralou

Just buy some saline spray and keep adding EIS to it.  By the time you 
pay shipping on a nasal spray bottle you'll have exceeded the cost of 
buying the spray just for the bottle.


However,  I did search out pump nasal spray bottles a couple of 
christmases ago when I gave away EIS.  Didn't buy them but perhaps the 
links still work.  Did you actually do a search yet?



www.herbalremedies.com/nasal-spray.html
www.ezsalesworld.com/servlet/the-97/Five-Spray-Bottles-with/Detail
cgi.ebay.com/Five-Spray-Bottles-with-pump-plastic-nasal-empty_W0QQitemZ350211615729QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518a3d2bf1_trksid=p4634.c0.m14
www.medidose.com/nasal-spray-bottles.aspx
www.thefind.com/beauty/info-1_2-oz-amber-glass-bottle


Where do you buy empty nasal spray bottles to use?  I've looked 
several places and no luck so far.  I'd druther not buy one with a 
product it in and throw out the product, but if I have to...


Alan





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Re: CSTruly puzzled

2009-09-12 Thread sms

Annie,
Have you ever heard of 'whatever sells' in the news industry?
They don't care - as long as it sells news.
They are in the news selling business.

---Original Message---

From: Annie B Smythe
Date: 9/11/2009 5:04:18 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled

Yeah, I get that, but not one major media source is explaining the
difference in their articles or news bytes. They're calling what he was
making CS and lambasting CS as quackery. That is mass deception and
disinfo in my book.

Then I searched for media coverage of the article I posted and didn't
find anything. They have forked tongues and talk out of both sides of
their mouths.

Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:

 The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived
 in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The
 combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his
 tissues that turned him blue. See:

 http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default.
 aspx

  - Steve N

 -Original Message-
 From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSTruly puzzled

 I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles
 like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what
 the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing
 with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one
 hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other.

 I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the
 sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how
 inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of
 whomever meets their price.

 If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space
 filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted
 type story released in print and via television for the express purpose
 of confusing and scaring people. Again.

 There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace.

 Annie

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Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary

2009-09-12 Thread Alan Jones

Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the
sodium ascorbate.  I did some googling and it seems most people recommend
2:1 for AA:BS.

I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the
2:1 ratio:

  NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 -- NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3

  One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid
is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate
to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477
milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic
acid.

Alan

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.comwrote:


 One simple, acceptable, method for accomplishing this conversion is to mix
 One Part ascorbic acid and One Part Sodium Bicarbonate together in distilled
 water (e.g. one teaspoon Ascorbic acid with One teaspoon Sodium bicarbonate
 in one cup of water). Stir well and allow to sit [usually about 45 to 60
 seconds or until the spontaneous generation of bubbles stops) for a few
 moments.


-- 
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CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread Hanneke



Earlier this week, I caught up with  some  friends and one of them is
desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards
recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the circumstances..

The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS
for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport
since last October.
In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a
nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come
out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when
the effects of the stroke have  mellowed out one will have a clearer
picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life  (this is
the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing home).

She receives  physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk,
cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood,  apart from 
some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the 
frustration and anger she feels about not being

able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a
glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
communicating.

She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a  children's
keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press
when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with 
a computer and shows up on computer screen.
 Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with  sign language for 
one hand  which may help

as well  since she has the use of the one hand.

My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet
ideas,  exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing
home but will help towards a recovery?

Looking forward to your responses.

Hanneke



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Re: CSTruly puzzled

The link is too long and was truncated. You need to add the aspx at the end. 
- Steve N

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat Sep 12 08:06:21 2009
Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled 

this link didn't work.  dee

On 12 Sep 2009, at 00:25, Norton, Steve wrote:

The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived
in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The
combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his
tissues that turned him blue. See:

http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default.
aspx

- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSTruly puzzled

I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles
like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what
the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing
with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one
hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other.

I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the
sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how
inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of
whomever meets their price.

If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space
filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted
type story released in print and via television for the express purpose
of confusing and scaring people. Again.

There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace.

Annie

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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread Donna

I have read that B vitamins help with nerve damage and strokes. here
is some info hope this helps.

Donna ACS
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDFProduktNr=224263Ausgabe=231468ArtikelNr=89238filename=89238.pdf
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/59D5A.htm
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0022510X0900447X

Earlier this week, I caught up with some friends and one of them is
desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards
recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the
circumstances..

The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS
for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport
since last October.
In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a
nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come
out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when
the effects of the stroke have mellowed out one will have a clearer
picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life (this is
the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the
nursing home).

able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a
glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
communicating.

She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a children's
keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press
when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with a
computer and shows up on computer screen.
Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with sign language for
one hand which may help

as well since she has the use of the one hand.

My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet
ideas, exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing
home but will help towards a recovery?

Looking forward to your responses.

Hanneke

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Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary

2009-09-12 Thread Brooks Bradley

 You have made an astute observation.  1 to 1 is the lowest ratio which yielded
an acceptable combination productfor us.  I should have made a comment to this effect.  Actually, I do use 2 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1just personal preference.  However, as one raises the lecithin component volumebe prepared for an increasing excess appearing in the form of meniscus.  In any case, nothing of a compromising nature will occur (at least that has been our experience).  Also, consuming the meniscus forming lecithin has demonstrated to produce only positive results (this might not be the case, for individuals expressing an allergic reaction to lecithin).  I do not desire to generate a controversy relative to phospholipids derived from parent soy materials.but, in 15 years of research with these we have not encountered a SINGLE individual we could confirm as a positive allergic reactor to lecithin (others may have experienced different results). We have, however, encountered a consequential number of subjects who have displayed allergic reaction!
 s (sometimes powerful) to a variety of soy food products.  UNPROCESSED soybeans contain a variety of compounds not beneficial to the diet of certain animals---man included.  e.g. If unprocessed soybeans are fed to poultry, digestive problems often manifest because of a compromising enzymewhich must be destroyed by elevated heat, before they can be beneficial as a large component of the food ration.  By far, the greatest number (and these were not a large fraction of test subjectsless than 1%) of allergic reactions presented among athletes who were consuming large amounts of soy-derived protein products.
  These comments are simply that, comments, relating to some of our general research.  I do not wish to generate argumentative confrontation over the merits or limitations of soy products in the human food/health chain.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.

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 Subject : Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
 Date : Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:17:22 -0500
 From : Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the
sodium ascorbate.  I did some googling and it seems most people recommend
2:1 for AA:BS.

I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the
2:1 ratio:

  NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 --> NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3

  One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid
is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate
to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477
milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic
acid.

Alan

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Brooks Bradley wrote:

>
> One simple, acceptable, method for accomplishing this conversion is to mix
> One Part ascorbic acid and One Part Sodium Bicarbonate together in distilled
> water (e.g. one teaspoon Ascorbic acid with One teaspoon Sodium bicarbonate
> in one cup of water). Stir well and allow to sit [usually about 45 to 60
> seconds or until the spontaneous generation of bubbles stops) for a few
> moments.
>

-- 
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RE: CSFW: asthma, pneumonia

2009-09-12 Thread Thora Rasmusen (Home)

People with asthma are many times more likely to be Celiac (gluten
intollerant).  There is a blood test that will test for Celiac, so it's an
easy test to get done.

Thora 

-Original Message-
From: Gina Moore [mailto:vegasmom...@cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSFW: asthma, pneumonia

Thanks for all the awesome replies!

I had forgotten about Buteyko.  I have seen many of the videos and have one
of the books - I read about 1/2 of it.  It's just hard to get a 3 year old
to do that!  She just turned 3 a month ago, so she's just barely 3!  I know
it's a very effective treatment.

With the DMSO, you nebulize it with the CS?  Interesting.  Hubby has some
DMSO - so use 10% DMSO?  Like 10% DMSO to 90% CS?  I think his DMSO is the
99.9% version, but I'm not sure.  I'd like to know the ratio so I can do
that too.

I've given her CS twice in the nebulizer.  I succumbed to giving her some of
the asthma drugs too.  Ugh.  Xoepenex and Budesonide.  I prefer 'natural'
stuff, but she was really wheezing/retracting and I know that stuff will
make that stop.  I didn't know what else to do.  :-(

She does seem to be doing better now.  She was worrying me this morning.
But the CS and drugs in the nebulizer seem to be working now.  Ugh.  Just
trying to stay out of the hospital!  Will be nebulizing more CS in a few
minutes.  Is giving CS nebulized every 3-4 hours sufficient?  Someone
mentioned every 30 minutes - should I be doing that instead?

Again, thanks for the info.  I knew you guys would have great ways to handle
this!  :-) Gina

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Re: CSThe Blue Man - too expensive?


Dee,
 In my experience, the minerals left behind in the still chamber do 
build up a hard crust. So you want one that is easy to clean. The water  
here is also very hard, and my distiller, with a bit of maintenance has 
been in use nearly daily for around 6 years. The one linked by Garnet is 
the one I have, and it is very easy to clean. I just put a quart or so 
of white vinegar in it, use a plate in place of the distiller top, and 
let the vinegar come to a boil, unplug, let cool, scrub out a bit with a 
scrubbie pad, rinse. I am cheap enough (frugal enough) to pour the 
cooled used vinegar back into the jug, it can be re-used many times, 
though it gets brown and cruddy looking.

sol

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It isn't about putting a price on health Smitty, not when I'm spending 
this on water!  It is about finding a suitable one which is not too 
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Re: CSRe: Water Distiller


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Yes so do I, but it depends on the shipping cost.  I went to Livon 
labs to try and get some of the liposomal vit C which cost $39 but the 
shipping was $53!!  So something which weighs as much as a generator, 
will probably be astronomical.  dee
Those that ship often enough to the UK to negotiate a contract rate 
will no doubt have lower shipping costs than other places. So check 
several online retailers, you might find one with reasonable rates on a 
distiller. In any case, even if shipping doubled the cost it would pay 
for itself rather quickly, given the cost of distilled water where you are.

sol


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Re: CSRe: Water Distiller


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I actually have done a lot of research, but still am not sure how the 
one I can afford will perform, and b) if it will be ok with the hard 
water. 
I don't quite understand your concern over hard water. Where I live the 
water is extremely hard, and it just means I clean the still oftener 
than might be needed elsewhere. The minerals that are left behind in the 
boiling chamber are easily cleaned out of my distiller, which is the 
same one Garnet posted a link to. I do know there are some distillers 
out there which cannot be thoroughly or easily cleaned though. Just 
don't get one of those, lol.

sol


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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread Sandy

Hi Hanneke...

The best thing the lady can do is exercise, exercise, exercise. They have found 
that if a stroke patient will constantly exercise the effected limbs...same 
with speech...new nerve pathways will develope and bypass the damaged area of 
the brain basically rewiring it. There have been some patients who have 
recovered much use of their effected limbs 10-15 years after the stroke with 
exercise.

It's very hard but in 2 weeks time the results will be amazing.

New Strategies After Stroke: Restraining, Rewiring, Relearning
 
Here is some other new interesting info about rewiring the brain.

Investigators discover method to stimulate brain rewiring after stroke
 
Also Google rewiring brain after stroke.
 
Hope these help.
 
Sandy
 
 
 
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Re: CSTruly puzzled

Neville,
When I mention removing silver from the tissues I am referring to insoluble 
forms of silver, such as metallic silver or silver complexed with selenium or 
sulfur, in the tissues. Generally those are the forms of silver found in the 
tissues of people with argyria.
- Steve N



From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Fri Sep 11 22:38:14 2009
Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled 


I do believe we have read similar info Steve.
 
Your snipped quote: [I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of 
selenium will remove silver from the tissues.]
-The question I would ask is what form of silver is being referenced? i.e. 
predominantly ionic, predominantly particulate, compound, nitrate etc etc, 
could be any one of a multitude of CS concoctions mascerading as EIS.
 
Not being of scientific background or possessing the appropriate credentials I 
will continue to follow my 'hunch' while searching for relevant information, 
which in all probability will not be found.  With regard to EIS I have no doubt 
whatsoever, perfectly safe.
 
I asked a question several months ago when last here but drew no response, to 
which I assume no one really knows, so am not willing to pursue it any further, 
I'll stick to my theory for the moment until I can find some info more 
substantial.
 
N.
 



Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:50:32 -0500
From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com



Melly,
I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove 
silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex 
with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver 
complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to 
liver damage.
Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver 
deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in 
the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly.
So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing 
silver from the tissues.
 I hope this helps.
 - Steve N



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Sent: Fri Sep 11 21:24:39 2009
Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled

Steve,

I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS 
or EIS. It was said to escort  out the silver particles from tissues.  However, 
someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver 
stay in tissues and  can cause argyria.  Are these correct?

Melly

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 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM


 The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough
 but he lived
 in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the
 water The
 combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide
 in his
 tissues that turned him blue. See:

 
 http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default.
 aspx

  - Steve N

 -Original Message-
 From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com]

 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSTruly puzzled

 I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I
 read articles
 like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about
 just what
 the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're
 accomplishing
 with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works
 on the one
 hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the
 other.

 I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall
 for the
 sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and
 again how
 inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth
 pieces of
 whomever meets their price.

 If it were just one or two stories I would think it was
 just a space
 filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a
 targeted
 type story released in print and via television for the
 express purpose
 of confusing and scaring people. Again.

 There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in
 peace.

 Annie


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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread jr orrilia

This product is cheap and great for many many physical issues. Someone would 
have to give it to here in the home.  Here it is 
http://mmsadvisor.com/?s=sclerosis

 




From: Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net
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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:53:43 AM
Subject: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago


Earlier this week, I caught up with  some  friends and one of them is
desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards
recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the circumstances..

The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS
for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport
since last October.
In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a
nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come
out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when
the effects of the stroke have  mellowed out one will have a clearer
picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life  (this is
the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing home).

She receives  physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk,
cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood,  apart from some memory 
loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the frustration and anger she feels 
about not being
able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a
glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
communicating.

She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a  children's
keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press
when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with a computer 
and shows up on computer screen.
Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with  sign language for one hand  
which may help
as well  since she has the use of the one hand.

My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet
ideas,  exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing
home but will help towards a recovery?

Looking forward to your responses.

Hanneke



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Re: CSFw: ordering silver rods/help please

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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: CSFw: ordering silver rods/help please

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Subject: ordering silver rods/help please
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:15:31 GMT

HI, I want to order some silver rods.
Is this a good price and place? Does anyone know.
You can order the silver wire here:

http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/superfines.html#four

Cost is per feet.  Two feet of 12 gauge wire is $24.00 + $6.75 shipping
(within the US) = $30.75
We do carry 14 ga also, it is $8.00/ft.

The 12 ga is thicker and will last longer than the 14 ga.

Either size will be fine.
Please let me know.
Nancy

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Re: CSFW: asthma- Gina

I did not suggest giving it during the asthma attack. Best 
read more carefully before

going off at someone for something they did not write. ;-)))

DMSO is not an irritant but it is drying. It is actually a 
tissue preservative and cell

normalizer.

Again patch testing is a good idea with any new substance.

Garnet

Clayton Family wrote:
yes, but when it comes to a child who is already reacting in a very 
severe fashion, you can't afford to take those kinds of chances. I have 
asthma. I know people that have DIED from asthma. You can't fool around.


DMSO is an irritant to start with. It is a very powerful solvent. I used 
to work around it, I know first hand.


This kind of information, in my opinion, serves to muddy the water in 
this situation, whereas it might be a very welcome addition to an 
intellectual discussion in a different situation.


Unless I had abundant personal experience with using dmso and cs, I 
would never give it to a child having an asthma attack, unless it was 
proven beforehand that the child could tolerate it. An adverse reaction 
could have very severe consequences. Especially when CS alone works 
really really well, with no chance of such a reaction.


Kathryn


On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Garnet wrote:

Although there are rare individuals truly sensitive to DMSO it is not 
at all a common occurrence. Always a good

idea to patch test *any* new substance though.

The subject of sulfur allergy has come up and it depends on the form 
of sulfur. It is a common misconception that
allergy to sulfite or sulfa drugs is a sulfur allergy. This is a 
misnomer.


Sulfur is a component of all protien containing foods. One can not 
live without sulfur. It is in fact the most abundant mineral in the 
human body.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/69144.php
Being told that one is sulfur allergic commonly causes confusion, 
as many people wrongly assume that they will be allergic to multiple 
sulfur-containing medicines or sulfite preservatives. It is important 
to know that sulfur is an important building block of life, and that 
allergic reactions to sulfonamide (sometimes called sulfur) 
antibiotics do not increase the likelihood that a person will also be 
allergic to sulfur powder, sulfite preservatives, or non-antibiotic 
sulfonamide medicines like some pain killers or diuretics (water 
tablets). 


Garnet


Clayton Family wrote:
Yes, you really have to give her the albuterol if she can't breath. 
It is the only thing to do.  If it were me, I would use EIS or cs in 
the nebulizer, with no DMSO at all. Some allergic people are very 
sensitive to sulfers, so I would not chance it.
I would really really talk to the doctor about the use of the steroid 
inhalers. They all seem to love them, but they are of no use for 
wheezing. They say they are to be used to reduce the inflammation in 
the long run. However, if asthma is related to fungal infections as 
more recent research indicates, it might only serve to increase the 
infection, if there is one. Steroids can not be stopped cold turkey, 
though, since the body becomes adapted to them.
My home made CS helps my asthma a great deal. I grew up with asthma 
from the age of 2, so I know what your daughter is going through.

Best Wishes,
Kathryn
On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Gina Moore wrote:


I've given her CS twice in the nebulizer.  I succumbed to giving her 
some of

the asthma drugs too.  Ugh.  Xoepenex and Bud
esonide.  I prefer 'natural'
stuff, but she was really wheezing/retracting and I know that stuff 
will

make that stop.  I didn't know what else to do.  :-(

She does seem to be doing better now.  She was worrying me this 
morning.
But the CS and drugs in the nebulizer seem to be working now.  Ugh.  
Just
trying to stay out of the hospital!  Will be nebulizing more CS in a 
few

minutes.  Is giving CS nebulized every 3-4 hours sufficient?  Someone



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Re: CSRe: Water Distiller

I use mine regularly with 40-60 ppm hard water. Every few 
batches I soak it in white vinegar and hot water
to remove deposits. Between batches I either rinse or wipe 
out what I can. A little sticks and when that gets
to the size of a quarter I soak in vinegar, sometimes over 
night to get it all.


Garnet

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I actually have done a lot of research, but still am not sure how the 
one I can afford will perform, and b) if it will be ok with the hard 
water.  I may take Ode's advice about rain water, but you can't rely on 
that.  dee


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Aw, c'mon,
I'm beginning to think excuses are more important than actually doing
something.
First hit on a search water distillers UK :
http://tinyurl.com/mf576x

Second hit: http://tinyurl.com/nf98ze

Do some yourself...

Chuck





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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago


For MS look into Low Dose Naltrexone.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information  is a 
non-discussion
list created for the files and links. There are links to 
many email lists,
info sites and studies. There are double blind placebo 
studies in MS,

Crohn's and FM. LDN is an immune system modulator and stops
progression of MS symptoms. There are other protocols for 
healing

MS lesions.

For Stroke DMSO is preventative but has also been used up to 
7 days
after spinal cord trauma with good results. Trouble with 
DMSO in a nursing
home is that in the quantities needed the garlic odor would 
give away any
stealth use as it can be strong and disturb other patients. 
4cc a day orally
is a suggested daily dose per Dr Stanley Jacob, who 
developed DMSO

in the 70's. He takes it every day now for 30+ years.

Garnet

Hanneke wrote:


Earlier this week, I caught up with  some  friends and one of them is
desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards
recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the 
circumstances..


The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS
for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport
since last October.
In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a
nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come
out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when
the effects of the stroke have  mellowed out one will have a clearer
picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life  (this is
the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing 
home).


She receives  physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to 
walk,
cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood,  apart from some 
memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the frustration and 
anger she feels about not being

able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a
glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
communicating.

She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a  children's
keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press
when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with a 
computer and shows up on computer screen.
 Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with  sign language for one 
hand  which may help

as well  since she has the use of the one hand.

My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet
ideas,  exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing
home but will help towards a recovery?

Looking forward to your responses.

Hanneke



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Re: CSFW: asthma- Gina

As far as I know allergic reactions are the main reason for 
avoiding sulfites. It

is a big problem for sensitive people.

Garnet

Melly Bag wrote:

Garnet,

You mentioned sulfite preservative. Is this good or bad for the body?
I tried to do a google and the only negative side effect read was allergic 
reaction to it.
Thanks.
Melly




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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread mborgert

Hanneke,
I have not had a stroke but a severe brain injury where the left side of my scalp came off. What followed, I was told, is what happens when one has a stroke.
PLEASE, If i do not have my sentence structure right or the words are wrong PLEASE do not call me iodiotic,stupid,dumb,ignorant, as dave nave emailed this week. I do not understand how people get away with calling people names. But I must rise about him.

Accident 94, I could not read,write,talk walk,without falling, use my hands,watch tv or listen to radio or be under flour lites, no noise of anykind etc. I actually lived in my closet.
I had 100 docs they all wanted to put me where your friend is or a mental institution for I would not take any drugs.
You are right FRUSTRATION is major but docs have no box for that word so they labeled you clinical depression.
First what helped me walk was crawling.. and crawling, to the point of crying,
Second.. doing childrens puzzles. point is using left and right hand brain, putting square peg in square hole,, not easy to do.
third tying anything left and right hand.
fourth being in the sun without sunglasses or any glasses.because the sun needs to get into the brain to heal..only way.. eyes open no glasses early in the morning or late at nite. about 20 min a day. No sun.. don't worry the uv rays penatrate you anyway.
Fifth, this is big No flour lites at any time, no color anywhere, no clutter anywhere, no noise. the brain cannot filter any of these items.
Anyway this is all I can email for now, my brain to shutting down.
I began to read books, this year, computer could only use 15 min a day because I saw quadruple of everything and the computer needs a filter my color was blue in front of computer.
If she could get on a computer.. this would be a life saver but she cannot look at the screen because of the thousands of lites??? the brain cannot filter these so use a gel filter, have to keep trying which one is ok for her
If you need more information let me know and I will give it to you.
Tell her when she cries, she is crying for the person who died her. When I found this out it made sense why I cried. I did die that day..twice, but myME died also but I am slowly making my way back..
I am 66 yrs old.
Mary

-- Original message from Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net: -- Earlier this week, I caught up with some friends and one of them is desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the circumstances.. The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport since last October. In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when the effects of the stroke have mellowed out one will have a clearer picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life (this is the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing home). She receives physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk, cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood, apart from some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the frustration and anger she feels about not being able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times. With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are communicating. She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a children's keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with a computer and shows up on computer screen. Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with sign language for one hand which may help as well since she has the use of the one hand. My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet ideas, exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing home but will help towards a recovery? Looking forward to your responses. Hanneke --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090912-0, 12/09/2009 Tested on: 13/09/2009 12:23:44 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread frankcuns-r...@comcast.net


Hi Mary,
I had a son who was head injured by a car accident and survived for a 
number of years.
I understand what you are going through and want you to know that your 
example makes better people of the rest of us.

I take my hat off to you.
Frank

mborg...@att.net wrote:
 


Hanneke,

I have not had a stroke but a severe brain injury where the left
side of my scalp came off.  What followed, I was told, is what
happens when one has a stroke.

PLEASE, If i do not have my sentence structure right or the words
are wrong PLEASE do not call me iodiotic,stupid,dumb,ignorant, as
dave nave  emailed this week.  I do not understand how people get
away with calling people names.  But I must rise about him.

 


Accident 94, I could not read,write,talk walk,without falling, use
my hands,watch tv or listen to radio or be under flour lites, no
noise of anykind etc.  I actually lived in my closet.

I had 100 docs they all wanted to put me where your friend is or a
mental institution for I would not take any drugs.

You are right FRUSTRATION is major but docs have no box for that
word so they labeled you clinical depression.

First what helped me walk was crawling.. and crawling, to the
point of crying,

Second.. doing childrens puzzles. point is using  left and right
hand brain, putting square peg in square hole,, not easy to do.

third  tying anything left and right hand.

fourth being in the sun without sunglasses or any glasses. because
the sun needs to get into the brain to heal..only way.. eyes open
no glasses early in the morning or late at nite.  about 20 min a
day.  No sun.. don't worry the uv rays penatrate you anyway.

Fifth, this is big  No flour lites at any time, no color anywhere,
no clutter anywhere, no noise.  the brain cannot filter any of
these items.

Anyway this is all I can email for now, my brain to shutting down.

I began to read books, this year, computer could only use 15 min a
day because I saw quadruple of everything and the computer needs a
filter my color was blue in front of computer.

If she could get on a computer.. this would be a life saver but
she cannot look at the screen because of the thousands of lites???
the brain cannot filter these so use a gel filter, have to keep
trying which one is ok for her

If you need more information let me know and I will give it to you.

Tell her when she cries, she is crying for the person who died
her.  When I found this out it made sense why I cried.  I did die
that day..twice, but my ME died also but I am slowly making my way
back..

I am 66 yrs old.

Mary

 

 


-- Original message from Hanneke
bloss...@internode.on.net: --



 Earlier this week, I caught up with some friends and one of them is
 desperate to get all and any information to help his partner
towards
 recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the
circumstances..

 The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS
 for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport
 since last October.
 In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck
in a
 nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never
come
 out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when
 the effects of the stroke have mellowed out one will have a clearer
 picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life (this is
 the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the
nursing home).

 She receives physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
 medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
 related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand,
unable to walk,
 cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood, apart from
 some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the
 frustration and anger she feels about not being
 able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
 With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she
wants a
 glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
 dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
 communicating.

 She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a children's
 keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to
press
 when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up
with
 a computer and shows up on computer screen.
 Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with sign language for
 one hand which may help
 as well since she has the use of the one hand.

 My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet
 ideas, exercise ideas

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread mborgert

Thank You,
Being brain injuried is truly like living in hell
Mary
-- Original message from "frankcuns-r...@comcast.net" frankcuns-r...@comcast.net: -- Hi Mary, I had a son who was head injured by a car accident and survived for a number of years. I understand what you are going through and want you to know that your example makes better people of the rest of us. I take my hat off to you. Frank mborg...@att.net wrote: Hanneke, I have not had a stroke but a severe brain injury where the left side of my scalp came off. What followed, I was told, is what happens when one has a stroke. PLEASE, If i do not have my sentence structure right or the words are wrong PLEASE do not call me iodiotic,stupid,dumb,ignorant, as dave nave emailed this week. I do not understand how people get away with calling people names. But I must rise about him. Accident 94, I could not read,write,talk walk,without falling, use my hands,watch tv or listen to radio or be under flour lites, no noise of anykind etc. I actually lived in my closet. I had 100 docs they all wanted to put me where your friend is or a mental institution for I would not take any drugs. You are right FRUSTRATION is major but docs have no box for that word so they labeled you clinical depression. First what helped me walk was crawling.. and crawling, to the point of crying, Second.. doing childrens puzzles. point is using left and right hand brain, putting square peg in square hole,, not easy to do. third tying anything left and right hand. fourth being in the sun without sunglasses or any glasses. because the sun needs to get into the brain to heal..only way.. eyes open no glasses early in the morning or late at nite. about 20 min a day. No sun.. don't worry the uv rays penatrate you anyway. Fifth, this is big No flour lites at any time, no color anywhere, no clutter anywhere, no noise. the brain cannot filter any of these items. Anyway this is all I can email for now, my brain to shutting down. I began to read books, this year, computer could only use 15 min a day because I saw quadruple of everything and the computer needs a filter my color was blue in front of computer. If she could get on a computer.. this would be a life saver but she cannot look at the screen because of the thousands of lites??? the brain cannot filter these so use a gel filter, have to keep trying which one is ok for her If you need more information let me know and I will give it to you. Tell her when she cries, she is crying for the person who died her. When I found this out it made sense why I cried. I did die that day..twice, but my ME died also but I am slowly making my way back.. I am 66 yrs old. Mary -- Original message from Hanneke : -- Earlier this week, I caught up with some friends and one of them isdesperate to get all and any information to help his partner towardsrecovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the circumstances.. The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MSfor a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transportsince last October.In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in anursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never comeout of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months whenthe effects of the stroke have mellowed out one will have a clearerpicture of what she will be like for the rest of her life (this isthe message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing home). She receives physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask whatmedications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MSrelated problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk,cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood, apart fromsome memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and thefrustration and anger she feels about not beingable to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants aglass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hairdryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they arecommunicating. She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a children'skeyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to presswhen taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up witha computer and shows up on computer screen.Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with sign language forone hand which may helpas well since she has the use of the one hand. My question is: would there be a list of supplements, dietideas,

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread Heidrun Beer

Dear Mary,

you are to be admired for your persistence and courage!

It seems that you are living proof for a fact that science
is only just about to discover: that the brain has a lot
of reserves, and with consequent training unused brain
portions can take over the functions of parts of the brain
that have been damaged in accidents or by a stroke.

There is a book that reports many of the newest efforts
to help people with such problems:

The Brain That Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph
from the Frontiers of Brain Science (James H. Silberman Books)
Norman Doidge

http://www.amazon.com/Brain-That-Changes-Itself-Frontiers/dp/0143113100/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1252781708sr=8-1

There is one story in it where a son re-trains his father
who is disabled after a stroke. Most amazing!

Best,
Heidrun Beer

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:31:45 +, mborg...@att.net wrote in
091220091831.21589.4aabe9110005969d545522230650629b0a02d29b9b0ebf9b9d0a099d010...@att.net:

Hanneke,
I have not had a stroke but a severe brain injury where the left side of my
scalp came off. What followed, I was told, is what happens when one has a
stroke.
PLEASE, If i do not have my sentence structure right or the words are wrong
PLEASE do not call me iodiotic,stupid,dumb,ignorant, as dave nave emailed
this week. I do not understand how people get away with calling people names.
But I must rise about him.

Accident 94, I could not read,write,talk walk,without falling, use my
hands,watch tv or listen to radio or be under flour lites, no noise of anykind
etc. I actually lived in my closet.
I had 100 docs they all wanted to put me where your friend is or a mental
institution for I would not take any drugs.
You are right FRUSTRATION is major but docs have no box for that word so they
labeled you clinical depression.
First what helped me walk was crawling.. and crawling, to the point of crying,
Second.. doing childrens puzzles. point is using left and right hand brain,
putting square peg in square hole,, not easy to do.
third tying anything left and right hand.
fourth being in the sun without sunglasses or any glasses. because the sun
needs to get into the brain to heal..only way.. eyes open no glasses early in
the morning or late at nite. about 20 min a day. No sun.. don't worry the uv
rays penatrate you anyway.
Fifth, this is big No flour lites at any time, no color anywhere, no clutter
anywhere, no noise. the brain cannot filter any of these items.
Anyway this is all I can email for now, my brain to shutting down.
I began to read books, this year, computer could only use 15 min a day because
I saw quadruple of everything and the computer needs a filter my color was
blue in front of computer.
If she could get on a computer.. this would be a life saver but she cannot
look at the screen because of the thousands of lites??? the brain cannot
filter these so use a gel filter, have to keep trying which one is ok for her
If you need more information let me know and I will give it to you.
Tell her when she cries, she is crying for the person who died her. When
I found this out it made sense why I cried. I did die that day..twice, but my
ME died also but I am slowly making my way back..
I am 66 yrs old.
Mary

-- Original message from Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net:
--

She receives physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk,
cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood, apart from
some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the
frustration and anger she feels about not being
able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a
glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
communicating.

She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a children's
keyboard which has large coloured

Re: CSRe: Water Distiller

2009-09-12 Thread cking001

Well, doing nothing gets nothing done...

How much does your distilled water cost?
How many gallons or liters does it take to equal the price of a
distiller?
If any distiller gives you more than that, then you're ahead.

Proper maintenance lengthens the life of the device.
That means using white vinegar once in awhile to clear hard water
deposits.

I think your procrastination is costing you.

Chuck
I dont care who you are! Get those reindeers off my roof!



On 9/12/2009 9:03:49 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 I actually have done a lot of research, but still am not sure how the one
 I can afford will perform, and b) if it will be ok with the hard water.  I
 may take Ode's advice about rain water, but you can't rely on that.  dee
 On 11 Sep 2009, at 23:44, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
 Aw, c'mon,
 I'm beginning to think excuses are more important than
 actually doing
 something.
 First hit on a search water distillers UK :
 http://tinyurl.com/mf576x
 
 Second hit: http://tinyurl.com/nf98ze
 
 Do some yourself...
 
 Chuck
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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread Kirsteen Wright

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:31 PM, mborg...@att.net wrote:

I did die that day..twice, but my ME died also but I am slowly making
 my way back..

 Mary

Thank you for sharing such an awesomely inspiring story. I think you've
touched us all. I sincerely hope and pray you continue to improve. You are a
real inspiration

thank you
Kirsteen

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

While it is usually used as a stroke preventative, serrapeptase has been 
successful after the fact in some stroke cases. 
 - Steve N

http://www.serrapeptase.info/testimonial.asp?x-up-destcharset=4

- Original Message -
From: Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat Sep 12 09:53:43 2009
Subject: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

Earlier this week, I caught up with  some  friends and one of them is
desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards
recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the circumstances..

The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS
for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport
since last October.
In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a
nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come
out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when
the effects of the stroke have  mellowed out one will have a clearer
picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life  (this is
the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing home).

She receives  physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk,
cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood,  apart from 
some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the 
frustration and anger she feels about not being
able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times.
With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a
glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair
dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are
communicating.

She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a  children's
keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press
when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with 
a computer and shows up on computer screen.
  Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with  sign language for 
one hand  which may help
as well  since she has the use of the one hand.

My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet
ideas,  exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing
home but will help towards a recovery?

Looking forward to your responses.

Hanneke

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Re: CSThe Blue Man - too expensive?

thanks a lot for the info sol, I will keep for when I 'take the  
plunge' so to speak.  dee


On 12 Sep 2009, at 18:06, sol wrote:


Dee,
In my experience, the minerals left behind in the still chamber do  
build up a hard crust. So you want one that is easy to clean. The  
water  here is also very hard, and my distiller, with a bit of  
maintenance has been in use nearly daily for around 6 years. The one  
linked by Garnet is the one I have, and it is very easy to clean. I  
just put a quart or so of white vinegar in it, use a plate in place  
of the distiller top, and let the vinegar come to a boil, unplug,  
let cool, scrub out a bit with a scrubbie pad, rinse. I am cheap  
enough (frugal enough) to pour the cooled used vinegar back into the  
jug, it can be re-used many times, though it gets brown and cruddy  
looking.

sol

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I

Re: CSRe: Water Distiller

Food for thought indeed.  I do know that some places charge much  
higher rates than others from the States.  iHerb is really reasonable  
and they are in California, but its terrible from someone like Mercola  
or Livon labs.  dee


On 12 Sep 2009, at 18:11, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:


Those that ship often enough to the UK to negotiate a contract rate  
will no doubt have lower shipping costs than other places. So check  
several online retailers, you might find one with reasonable rates  
on a distiller. In any case, even if shipping doubled the cost it  
would pay for itself rather quickly, given the cost of distilled  
water where you are.

sol


--
T

Re: CSRe: Water Distiller


Trouble is, you don't know which is which until you've got it!  dee

On 12 Sep 2009, at 18:14, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I actually have done a lot of research, but still am not sure how  
the one I can afford will perform, and b) if it will be ok with the  
hard water.
I don't quite understand your concern over hard water. Where I live  
the water is extremely hard, and it just means I clean the still  
oftener than might be needed elsewhere. The minerals that are left  
behind in the boiling chamber are easily cleaned out of my  
distiller, which is the same one Garnet posted a link to. I do know  
there are some distillers out there which cannot be thoroughly or  
easily cleaned though. Just don't get one of those, lol.

sol


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RE: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread nenahsylver

[Hanneke] Earlier this week, I caught up with  some  friends and one of them
is desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards
recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the
circumstances.

 

==

The Tennant Biomodulator restores voltage to the cells. This means muscle,
nerve and glandular tissue-even cartilage and bones. At least two young
children were brought out of comas (due to their having fallen into swimming
pools) with the device.

 

You can download my article Healing with Electromedicine and Sound
Therapies at
http://www.nenahsylver.com/holistic_health_healing_with_electromedicine.html


 

After s/he reads the article, if your friend would like to contact me to ask
questions s/he is welcome to do so.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),

now available in HARDCOVER

 The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

 http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

I cannot imagine what it was like but you are to be truly admired,  
especially for trying to help another.  Good wishes to you.  dee


On 12 Sep 2009, at 19:55, mborg...@att.net wrote:


Thank You,
Being brain injuried is truly like living in hell
Mary
-- Original message from frankcuns-r...@comcast.net frankcuns-r...@comcast.net 
: --

RE: CSmore info on brain damage - MARY

2009-09-12 Thread nenahsylver

Here is a link to an article written by a woman who used EFT for a brain
injury:
http://www.emofree.com/Articles2/traumatic-brain-injury-relief-terrie.htm

 

The EFT manual is free on the internet, and the technique can be
self-administered or done by proxy.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),

now available in HARDCOVER

 The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

 http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

Hi Mary,
I live in Michigan and transport people who are wheel-chair bound many of them 
challenged by closed head injuries or strokes..hang in there my friend I admire 
your courage,
debbie

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net wrote:


From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net
Subject: Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 2:31 PM




 

Hanneke,
I have not had a stroke but a severe brain injury where the left side of my 
scalp came off.  What followed, I was told, is what happens when one has a 
stroke.
PLEASE, If i do not have my sentence structure right or the words are wrong 
PLEASE do not call me iodiotic,stupid,dumb,ignorant, as dave nave  emailed this 
week.  I do not understand how people get away with calling people names.  But 
I must rise about him.
 
Accident 94, I could not read,write,talk walk,without falling, use my 
hands,watch tv or listen to radio or be under flour lites, no noise of anykind 
etc.  I actually lived in my closet.
I had 100 docs they all wanted to put me where your friend is or a mental 
institution for I would not take any drugs.
You are right FRUSTRATION is major but docs have no box for that word so they 
labeled you clinical depression.
First what helped me walk was crawling.. and crawling, to the point of crying,
Second.. doing childrens puzzles. point is using  left and right hand brain, 
putting square peg in square hole,, not easy to do.
third  tying anything left and right hand.
fourth being in the sun without sunglasses or any glasses. because the sun 
needs to get into the brain to heal..only way.. eyes open no glasses early in 
the morning or late at nite.  about 20 min a day.  No sun.. don't worry the uv 
rays penatrate you anyway.
Fifth, this is big  No flour lites at any time, no color anywhere, no clutter 
anywhere, no noise.  the brain cannot filter any of these items.
Anyway this is all I can email for now, my brain to shutting down.
I began to read books, this year, computer could only use 15 min a day because 
I saw quadruple of everything and the computer needs a filter my color was blue 
in front of computer.
If she could get on a computer.. this would be a life saver but she cannot look 
at the screen because of the thousands of lites??? the brain cannot filter 
these so use a gel filter, have to keep trying which one is ok for her
If you need more information let me know and I will give it to you.
Tell her when she cries, she is crying for the person who died her.  When I 
found this out it made sense why I cried.  I did die that day..twice, but my ME 
died also but I am slowly making my way back.. 
I am 66 yrs old.
Mary
 
 
-- Original message from Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net: 
-- 


 
 Earlier this week, I caught up with some friends and one of them is 
 desperate to get all and any information to help his partner towards 
 recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the 
 circumstances.. 
 
 The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering with MS 
 for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for transport 
 since last October. 
 In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck in a 
 nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will never come 
 out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12 months when 
 the effects of the stroke have mellowed out one will have a clearer 
 picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life (this is 
 the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of the nursing 
 home). 
 
 She receives physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what 
 medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS 
 related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand, unable to walk, 
 cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood, apart from 
 some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the 
 frustration and anger she feels about not being 
 able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at times. 
 With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she wants a 
 glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her hair 
 dryer, a comb... etc etc. This just to give an idea of how they are 
 communicating. 
 
 She recognises the alphabet and she has been given a children's 
 keyboard which has large coloured letters which she manages to press 
 when taking her time to hit them properly. This is connected up with 
 a computer and shows up on computer screen. 
 Yesterday, my daughter printed off a sheet with sign language for 
 one hand which may help 
 as well since she has the use of the one hand. 
 
 My question is: would there be a list of supplements, diet 
 ideas, exercise ideas which one wouldn't hear about in a nursing 
 home but will help towards a recovery? 
 
 Looking forward to your responses. 
 
 Hanneke 
 
 
 
 --- 
 avast!

Re: CSmicrobes resistant to silver

2009-09-12 Thread Jim Holmes

Thank you for this important information.

Have you reviewed the papers yourself?  Are all of the specie resistant, or
only certain strains?  Will higher doses work against them.

Thank you,

   Jim

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM, nenahsylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote:

  A colleague I trust pointed out that published reports now cite pathogens
 that are resistant to silver.



 The following article explains the mechanism and cross-bacterial transfer
 of silver resistance genes among bacteria.


 http://www.wwdmag.com/Coping-with-Resistance-to-Copper-Silver-Disinfection-article2768



 At the bottom of the page is list of some known resistances to copper and
 silver:



 Escherichia coli bacteria Cu



 Klebsiella pneumoniae bacteria Cu  Ag



 Legionella pneumophilia bacteria Cu  Ag



 Salmonella sp. bacteria Ag



 Vibrio cholerae bacteria Cu  Ag



 Candida albicans yeast Cu



 Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast Cu  Ag



 Hartmenella vermiformis protozoa Cu  Ag



 Tetrahymena pyriformis protozoa Cu  Ag



 Paramecium sp. protozoa Cu  Ag



 Amoeba sp. protozoa Cu  Ag



 My colleague also did a PubMed search on silver resistance. She found
 that article 12829274 mentions that in 2003, E. coli strain O157:H7 was
 found to have silver resistance genes in its genome.



 I am wondering if we should be cautious about using CS routinely (meaning
 even when we aren’t ill). Or do you think the article is flawed? If so,
 what are the flaws?



 Thanks.

 Nenah

CSdistiller again

Sorry all, can you (Garnet - sol) give me the link for your distiller  
again please?  I have put it somewhere and can't find it (sorry Wayne,  
if you're watching from somewhere) I know my filing system is  
rubbish!  Many thanks...dee

RE: CSmore info on brain damage - MARY

2009-09-12 Thread mborgert

Dear Nenah,
Thank you for sharing this. I can relate to all of this.
I owned 2 shopping centers and 30 businesses, i lost everything except my husband and children.
If I knew than what I know now I would have saved me years and years of pain and frustration. I became a hypnotherapist and understand words are extremely important to your subconscience because in a way that is the only one you can talk to.
The docs kept saying I would never recover damage too great, well I did. They told me the 3 brain chemicals you needed were in those antidepresants,yeah right, no way.
I discovered this web site and through it discovered magnesium oil. They state that through any trama magnesium leaves the body and needs to be replaced time and time again. well I started using mo and I immediately started to get better. I went on a search for the "lost brain chemicals" they are dark chocolate, legumes, potatoes. This plus mag oil helped me recover fast.
I still fall once in a while for I lost 89% of the balance in my ear, i now know the signs and I keep moving while standing up to let the brain know where the body is.
Sometimes I do not know what people are saying unless I am looking at them, I can hear them but do not understand, but once they face me I can understand.
Still cannot be under flou lites, fans, but I can go into malls, grocery stores,as long as the music isn't at a certain pitch.
Other things still linger but I am on my way.
Mary
Thanks for letting me share.
-- Original message from "nenahsylver" nenahsyl...@cox.net: --

Here is a link to an article written by a woman who used EFT for a brain injury: http://www.emofree.com/Articles2/traumatic-brain-injury-relief-terrie.htm

The EFT manual is free on the internet, and the technique can be self-administered or done by proxy.

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com

Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread Smitty

  There is a book that reports many of the newest efforts
  to help people with such problems:

  The Brain That Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph
  from the Frontiers of Brain Science (James H. Silberman Books)
  Norman Doidge

The book is in our local library. I put a hold on it.
I'm #7. . . . . .

Smitty


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Re: CSBuild a powerful colloidal silver maker with free parts

2009-09-12 Thread Dan Nave

Duncan, or anyone else,

What methods are you using for connecting to your electrodes, and/or
connecting your electrode assembly to your brew cell for this sort of
CS maker.

I'm still planning to do this. I actually have several microwaves
(with schematics) but I really want a better idea about the
connections to the electrodes and brew cell...

Thanks,

Dan

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Duncan Crow duncanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 This CS maker is capable of continuous operation at about 120 quarts per hour 
 @ ~15 PPM. The high-volume plague-ready electro colloidal silver maker can 
 easily be built in less than an hour using a free microwave oven, some wire 
 and a few bits of plastic.

 All you buy is the perishable part -- a Canadian $5  fine silver coin. 
 Get it rolled out at a jewelers/goldsmiths.

 I've built a couple dozen of these for local people in the last eight years 
 or so. I don't send them via freight, but many others around the world 
 including third-world countries have built copies and have been completely 
 satisfied with the speed and quality of output and ease of operation. Some 
 are producing quite a lot of CS every month for a large market. Let's hear 
 from some of you if you are on this list.

 Per moderator Mike Devour's request, I have removed all sales information 
 from the page, and here's the DISCLAIMER: Don't ask for a diagram. Get an 
 electrician or electronics hobbyist to first bleed the capacitor charge, 
 which can be a LETHAL amount of current. The dangerous part is in the 
 construction, not the use of the beast, and be stupid at your own risk.

 http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html

 FYI: Removing the electrode from the jar of CS does NOT pose a risk, as the 
 circuit is still completed by the solution after the unit shuts off, 
 grounding the capacitor.

 all good,

 Duncan Crow
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Re: CSRe: Water Distiller


Garnet wrote:
I use mine regularly with 40-60 ppm hard water. 
Geez, the tap water here, even filtered, pegs my Hanna PWT meter, so it 
is a lot higher than that, but over 99uS.  Not sure what it would read 
on a TDS.

sol


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Re: CSRe: Water Distiller


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Trouble is, you don't know which is which until you've got it!  dee
Actually, you can telllook for one in which the entire top 
removes, and that has two plugs going into the tank. One plug for the 
top, one to the power supply. That means you can heat the tank without 
the top on, using a plate or other lid as a temporary top. It is NOT a 
good idea to heat vinegar in the tank with the top in place if the 
condensing tubes are made of aluminum.  I think there are some stills 
that have SS condensing tubes, but mine has tubes of aluminum.
The one my friend has that can't be cleaned is an AquaVie if memory 
serves, anyway, she says the top doesn't come off. In case you can't 
tell from pics of the unit, contact the mfr and ask.


http://wholesalewaterdistillers.com/distiller-water/love-water-distillers/water-distillers-love.html
You can see the line where the top fits onto the tank. The entire top 
lifts off.  See the photo looking into the tank with the top off. You 
don't have to buy this particular distiller, but this is what to look for.

sol



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Re: CSFW: asthma, pneumonia

2009-09-12 Thread Dan Nave

You would probably be better off making some sort of  an extraction
from the rosehips to use.  I'm not exactly sure how you would do that,
I'm thinking that using hot water (as in making a tea) would possibly
affect the vitamins content, etc.

Dan

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:29 PM,  brick...@aol.com wrote:
 Check to see if your nebulizer is ultrasonic. The nebulizers my DR furnished
 me were the compressor type.  CS needs an ultrasonic nebulizer to really
 penetrate deep into the lungs with small droplets. I just bought a Medisana
 ultrasonic humidifier from Amazon for about $35 including shipping. My
 compressor type nebulizer is meant for the heavy medications like duo-neb. I
 asked my DR for a prescrition for an ultrasonic neb. and he refused. So I
 bought the humidifier. It is hard to tell any difference between it and a
 nebulizer and no presciption needed.

 Rose hips are just about ready to harvest on my one thriving Rugosa bush. I
 plan on cutting them in half and drying in my fruit dryer. Then I will grind
 them in my coffee grinder and use to make liposoma vitamin C. Would I still
 use one tablespoon of the ground rose hip?

 Brickey
 


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Re: CSHelp needed for lady with MS who suffered a stroke 5 months ago

2009-09-12 Thread frankcuns-r...@comcast.net


Mary,
We are here to help
Frank

mborg...@att.net wrote:

Thank You,
Being brain injuried is truly like living in hell
Mary

-- Original message from frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
frankcuns-r...@comcast.net: --


 Hi Mary,
 I had a son who was head injured by a car accident and survived
for a
 number of years.
 I understand what you are going through and want you to know
that your
 example makes better people of the rest of us.
 I take my hat off to you.
 Frank

 mborg...@att.net wrote:
 
 
  Hanneke,
 
  I have not had a stroke but a severe brain injury where the left
  side of my scalp came off. What followed, I was told, is what
  happens when one has a stroke.
 
  PLEASE, If i do not have my sentence structure right or the words
  are wrong PLEASE do not call me iodiotic,stupid,dumb,ignorant, as
  dave nave emailed this week. I do not understand how people get
  away with calling people names. But I must rise about him.
 
 
 
  Accident 94, I could not read,write,talk walk,without falling,
use
  my hands,watch tv or listen to radio or be under flour lites, no
  noise of anykind etc. I actually lived in my closet.
 
  I had 100 docs they all wanted to put me where your friend is
or a
  mental institution for I would not take any drugs.
 
  You are right FRUSTRATION is major but docs have no box for that
  word so they labeled you clinical depression.
 
  First what helped me walk was crawling.. and crawling, to the
  point of crying,
 
  Second.. doing childrens puzzles. point is using left and right
  hand brain, putting square peg in square hole,, not easy to do.
 
  third tying anything left and right hand.
 
  fourth being in the sun without sunglasses or any glasses.
because
  the sun needs to get into the brain to heal..only way.. eyes open
  no glasses early in the morning or late at nite. about 20 min a
  day. No sun.. don't worry the uv rays penatrate you anyway.
 
  Fifth, this is big No flour lites at any time, no color anywhere,
  no clutter anywhere, no noise. the brain cannot filter any of
  these items.
 
  Anyway this is all I can email for now, my brain to shutting
down.
 
  I began to read books, this year, computer could only use 15
min a
  day because I saw quadruple of everything and the computer
needs a
  filter my color was blue in front of computer.
 
  If she could get on a computer.. this would be a life saver but
  she cannot look at the screen because of the thousands of
lites???
  the brain cannot filter these so use a gel filter, have to keep
  trying which one is ok for her
 
  If you need more information let me know and I will give it to
you.
 
  Tell her when she cries, she is crying for the person who
died
  her. When I found this out it made sense why I cried. I did die
  that day..twice, but my ME died also but I am slowly making my
way
  back..
 
  I am 66 yrs old.
 
  Mary
 
 
 
 
 
  -- Original message from Hanneke
  : --
 
 
  
   Earlier this week, I caught up with some friends and one of
them is
   desperate to get all and any information to help his partner
  towards
   recovery of a stroke, recovery for as far as possible under the
  circumstances..
  
   The lady in question is 58 years of age, has been suffering
with MS
   for a number of years and was using a Goopher/scooter for
transport
   since last October.
   In April of this year, she suffered a stroke and has been stuck
  in a
   nursing home ever since with the prognosis being: she will
never
  come
   out of the nursing home, is bedridden and in another 12
months when
   the effects of the stroke have mellowed out one will have a
clearer
   picture of what she will be like for the rest of her life
(this is
   the message he was given by the medical and nursing staff of
the
  nursing home).
  
   She receives physio therapy and some meds but I didn't ask what
   medications, nor whether the meds were for stroke related or MS
   related problems. The lady has the use of only one arm/hand,
  unable to walk,
   cannot speak other than grunt. From what I understood, apart
from
   some memory loss, her mental abilities are in tact and the
   frustration and anger she feels about not being
   able to communicate as she used to gets the better of her at
times.
   With the help of pictures she is able to let them know if she
  wants a
   glass of water, a coffee, or ovaltine..whether she wants her
hair

Re: CSmicrobes resistant to silver

2009-09-12 Thread Bob Banever

None of these bacteria are resistant to silver.  NONE.  If silver doesn't kill 
them it's because the silver was not ionic and/or it did not make contact with 
the bacteria.  Adding a 10% DMSO solution to the silver would solve the 
problem, assuming the silver is in the ionic form.  Bacteria can hide in 
mucous, fat, protein, dead cells, folds of skin, etc.  DMSO will bring the 
silver to the bacteria.  Problem solved.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: CSmicrobes resistant to silver


  Thank you for this important information.  

  Have you reviewed the papers yourself?  Are all of the specie resistant, or 
only certain strains?  Will higher doses work against them.

  Thank you,

 Jim 


  On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM, nenahsylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote:

A colleague I trust pointed out that published reports now cite pathogens 
that are resistant to silver.



The following article explains the mechanism and cross-bacterial transfer 
of silver resistance genes among bacteria.


http://www.wwdmag.com/Coping-with-Resistance-to-Copper-Silver-Disinfection-article2768
 



At the bottom of the page is list of some known resistances to copper and 
silver:



Escherichia coli bacteria Cu



Klebsiella pneumoniae bacteria Cu  Ag



Legionella pneumophilia bacteria Cu  Ag



Salmonella sp. bacteria Ag



Vibrio cholerae bacteria Cu  Ag



Candida albicans yeast Cu



Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast Cu  Ag



Hartmenella vermiformis protozoa Cu  Ag



Tetrahymena pyriformis protozoa Cu  Ag



Paramecium sp. protozoa Cu  Ag



Amoeba sp. protozoa Cu  Ag



My colleague also did a PubMed search on silver resistance. She found 
that article 12829274 mentions that in 2003, E. coli strain O157:H7 was found 
to have silver resistance genes in its genome.  



I am wondering if we should be cautious about using CS routinely (meaning 
even when we aren’t ill). Or do you think the article is flawed? If so, what 
are the flaws?



Thanks.

Nenah

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524

Melly,
It is my opinion that some silver does stay in the tissues when you use silver. 
But I think with prudent use the silver buildup can be maintained at a low 
enough level to avoid argryia. Such as not using silver nitrate, silver acetate 
or mild silver proteins. Not using high doses for a long long period. Based on 
what I have heard from others here on the list you can use large amounts of EIS 
for longer than you might expect. And using the right selenium when using EIS. 
I can't say with absolute certainty that one cannot get argryia with EIS or CS 
but there are some on the list with much more experience than I that believe 
that you cannot. I think that there are some reasons to believe that EIS has a 
low rate of silver retention. 
Like you I have been concentrating on the best way to avoid argryia while using 
EIS/CS rather than curing argryia and my posts have been with that focus. 
However if one did have argryia and stopped all use of silver it might be of 
use to try a selenium that binds with silver. It may entice some of silver 
metal from the tissues and even if it gets redoposited in the tissues there is 
a good possibility it would redeposit in internal organs rather than in the 
skin. And if you already have the silver in your tissues you are no worse off 
by moving it. But again I would only try this after giving time for all 
residual silver from silver use to exit the body by normal means. There are 
some other things I would try including glutathione supplementation but with no 
promise of success. 
This might come across as a pessimistic post but I do not mean it to be one. I 
really do not expect to have a problem with argryia but the lower the 
probability the better in my opinion. 
 - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat Sep 12 08:32:16 2009
Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524

Steve,

Thanks for the clarification. Now i am worried that silver in tissues can 
remain there forever. If we ingest homemade EIS, do we get silver deposits in 
tissues with the possibility of them getting stuck? 
Thanks.

Mellhy

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 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524
 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:54 PM
 


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Re: CSmicrobes resistant to silver

2009-09-12 Thread Jim Holmes

Thank you Bob,

Has any professional here besides Dr. Silver read the studies?

Does anyone think the studies were designed to disparage CS and Cu?

Jim

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote:

  None of these bacteria are resistant to silver.  NONE.  If silver doesn't
 kill them it's because the silver was not ionic and/or it did not make
 contact with the bacteria.  Adding a 10% DMSO solution to the silver would
 solve the problem, assuming the silver is in the ionic form.  Bacteria can
 hide in mucous, fat, protein, dead cells, folds of skin, etc.  DMSO will
 bring the silver to the bacteria.  Problem solved.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:29 PM
 *Subject:* Re: CSmicrobes resistant to silver

 Thank you for this important information.

 Have you reviewed the papers yourself?  Are all of the specie resistant, or
 only certain strains?  Will higher doses work against them.

 Thank you,

Jim

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM, nenahsylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote:

  A colleague I trust pointed out that published reports now cite
 pathogens that are resistant to silver.



 The following article explains the mechanism and cross-bacterial transfer
 of silver resistance genes among bacteria.


 http://www.wwdmag.com/Coping-with-Resistance-to-Copper-Silver-Disinfection-article2768



 At the bottom of the page is list of some known resistances to copper and
 silver:



 Escherichia coli bacteria Cu



 Klebsiella pneumoniae bacteria Cu  Ag



 Legionella pneumophilia bacteria Cu  Ag



 Salmonella sp. bacteria Ag



 Vibrio cholerae bacteria Cu  Ag



 Candida albicans yeast Cu



 Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast Cu  Ag



 Hartmenella vermiformis protozoa Cu  Ag



 Tetrahymena pyriformis protozoa Cu  Ag



 Paramecium sp. protozoa Cu  Ag



 Amoeba sp. protozoa Cu  Ag



 My colleague also did a PubMed search on silver resistance. She found
 that article 12829274 mentions that in 2003, E. coli strain O157:H7 was
 found to have silver resistance genes in its genome.



 I am wondering if we should be cautious about using CS routinely (meaning
 even when we aren’t ill). Or do you think the article is flawed? If so,
 what are the flaws?



 Thanks.

 Nenah

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524

2009-09-12 Thread Alan Jones

What's the right selenium?

Alan

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote:


 Melly,
 It is my opinion that some silver does stay in the tissues when you use
 silver. But I think with prudent use the silver buildup can be maintained at
 a low enough level to avoid argryia. Such as not using silver nitrate,
 silver acetate or mild silver proteins. Not using high doses for a long long
 period. Based on what I have heard from others here on the list you can use
 large amounts of EIS for longer than you might expect. And using the right
 selenium when using EIS

-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524

Selenomethionine. I believe that it is a yeast derived selenium.
- Steve N

From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat Sep 12 19:21:08 2009
Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #524 

What's the right selenium?

Alan

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:

Melly,
It is my opinion that some silver does stay in the tissues when you use 
silver. But I think with prudent use the silver buildup can be maintained at a 
low enough level to avoid argryia. Such as not using silver nitrate, silver 
acetate or mild silver proteins. Not using high doses for a long long period. 
Based on what I have heard from others here on the list you can use large 
amounts of EIS for longer than you might expect. And using the right selenium 
when using EIS 

-- 
Alan Jones

CSSovergin Silver-Argentin 23

2009-09-12 Thread Lin Gregerson

It seems like this brand of cs was discussed just a few weeks back.  
Is there anyone out there that saved the posts and can repost the highlights?
What I'm looking for is the opinion of this product by some of the group long 
timers and how to explain the difference between this 
product and what I make with my SilverGen unit.
I've been asked to meet with a Naturopath next week.  I know she is familiar 
with Argentin 23.
Thanks in advance for anything that posts.
Lin

CSthank you to all for info for lady with stroke

2009-09-12 Thread Hanneke

I hereby thank you all   from the bottom of my heart for the great 
information passed on for helping my friend's partner in her recovery 
. Some of you I have written personally. Absolutely awesome.
The information received has been forwarded to them and they are 
having a family discussion this afternoon to really look into the 
many options they were unaware of.


On behalf of Jenny, the lady concerned, a deeply felt thankyou to you all.

Hanneke




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CSMMS news

2009-09-12 Thread cking001

Nice to know this about MMS
 http://jimhumble.biz/biz-skin.htm

Chuck
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Do you know what will get rid of fungus? Was wondering if CS or MMS would? 
Leslie
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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:48 PM
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Nice to know this about MMS
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-skin.htm

Chuck
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Re: CSSovergin Silver-Argentin 23

2009-09-12 Thread Bob Banever

Lin,

   You are making excellent ionic/colloidal silver with the Silvergen.  If you 
do it correctly, using just distilled water and .999 fine silver, you should 
come out with an 80%ionic, 20%particulate solution (or thereabouts).  At 10ppm 
or so this should be an excellent silver for just about anything.  Argentin23 
is also an excellent product but not much different than what you are making.  
They claim it too is 10ppm and the nanoparticles of silver are supposedly very 
small.  I don't know the ration of ions to particles in their product, but it 
probably won't work any better than you home made brew.

Bob
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  From: Lin Gregerson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:23 PM
  Subject: CSSovergin Silver-Argentin 23


  It seems like this brand of cs was discussed just a few weeks back.  
  Is there anyone out there that saved the posts and can repost the highlights?
  What I'm looking for is the opinion of this product by some of the group long 
timers and how to explain the difference between this 
  product and what I make with my SilverGen unit.
  I've been asked to meet with a Naturopath next week.  I know she is familiar 
with Argentin 23.
  Thanks in advance for anything that posts.
  Lin

RE: CSMMS news

2009-09-12 Thread SJY

Even nicer to learn about MMS2:  http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro.htm 

Anyone have any personal opinions about it or experience with using it?

Steve Y.

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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS news

Nice to know this about MMS
 http://jimhumble.biz/biz-skin.htm

Chuck
God will forgive me. That's his job, after all.


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Re: CSMMS news

Thanks. This has concerned me for awhile, but here is something very 
important at this time so wonder what might stop the action of this vac.


For those of you who do not believe that the Government is going to 
Quarantine anyone for not having the N1H1 Swine Flu vaccination,
I would like for you to watch this video, even if you think that there is a 
possibility of it please watch. This was just released yesterday

9/11/09 on Youtube during a conference in Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB7OwPk5Z78
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: CSMMS news



Even nicer to learn about MMS2:  http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro.htm

Anyone have any personal opinions about it or experience with using it?

Steve Y.

-Original Message-
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS news

Nice to know this about MMS
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-skin.htm

Chuck
God will forgive me. That's his job, after all.


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Re: CSMMS news


found their info regarding the flu here:
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-newflu.htm

- Original Message - 
From: SJY you...@relia.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: CSMMS news



Even nicer to learn about MMS2:  http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro.htm

Anyone have any personal opinions about it or experience with using it?

Steve Y.

-Original Message-
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS news

Nice to know this about MMS
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-skin.htm

Chuck
God will forgive me. That's his job, after all.


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Re: CSmicrobes resistant to silver