date:20100124


At 12:17 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
You need to open your eyes, too, ode.  You're not aware of what's 
happening onlky namecalling.  How small is that?


John



  You don't know our years long history
..We've had some communications about this and other things over the 
yearsBIBLE thumping liar and weasel


Barwick quotes scripture when he gets cornered, says *I'm running a 
BUSINESS here and you're just small fryI spend hundreds of thousands on 
advertising*like that justifies everything and I give a hoot about 
getting big, never actually HELPED a competitor, or just because a LOT of 
people get ripped off believing his bullsh*t, it's all just fine. [At the 
time, he was selling his stuff for $400+ and making impossible claims about 
what it did ]


 Ya know.. if he was actually honest, he'd not have to spend a dime on 
advertising.  Word of mouth is a bit slower, but is far more powerful in 
the long run.


Barwick emailed me directly in an email spam campaign.
Had he not, I'd not have bothered with him..[again]...I'm actually 
surprised that he responded.

But not surprised at how.

 An unequivocal statement Colloidal silver has indeed been banned 
throughout Europe.  ...then buried in a 3 part text, a denial of making 
that statement.
 But why would I even bother to read all that crap when sources *In the 
UK* say the original statement isn't true? [It's not that I can't read..I 
DIDN'T read past the screamers, having checked out the original statement 
before getting the spam and knowing beforehand there wasn't anything there 
worth reading ]
..and also having had words with that turkey in the past...actually nice 
helpful ones..an offer to help him make his ad copy make some sort of sense 
so he didn't look like an idiot to anyone with any sort of scientific 
acumen.. turned rotten with a venomous stream of sociopathic god-speak in 
reply.
..which makes it clear that his ad copy was **intentionally** conflicted 
confusing carefully crafted misleading nonsense... a Phishing expedition 
to intentionally select the gullible and intellectually defenseless.  [It's 
not that he can't write nonsense as well as any slime lawyer ]


 My ex brother in law used to brag about making a fortune selling very 
expensive Encyclopedias to illiterate people that could barely afford to 
eat...so yea, a bit of a raw nerve there concerning con men and 
professing Christians doing business using religion as a base ball bat 
to beat down any protest from a burned believer.


BTW  My Bro in Law later turned himself into a Morman married the daughter 
of one of the elders and moved to Boise ...good luck Mormans. [Mind your 
pockets, there be a shark swimming around in the lint. ]


Ode


[The SPAM]
Hi, Steve Barwick here, for 
http://www.TheSilverEdge.comwww.TheSilverEdge.com...




Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe.



Ive verified it through my contacts in Europe, which include Europes most 
respected health freedom organization, the ANH. ...


From: odecoyote  [The reply]

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:13 AM
To: Steve Barwick
Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II


  My sources in the UK say that CS is still being sold there and that 
only the labeling requirements have changed.
It can no longer be sold as a Supplement and is now sold under the more 
accurate heading of disinfectant, like in Australia for the past many years.


But thanks for the dis-information and the sales pitch.

ken






At 04:53 PM 1/17/2010 -0800, you wrote: [the response]
I said it has been banned as a food supplement, ken, and it has.  No 
disinformation.  You just have to be able to read above a third grade level.




Steve


Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:33:08 -0500  [..you turkey.]
To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net

Subject: RE: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II

 Sales speak that requires such close inspection is clearly intentional 
deception in the context of the intentional fear triggers.manipulator.
Truth intended to be understood doesn't require lawyers to figure it out 
OR careful reading.

 An honest person doesn't need fine print.
Slick salesman...the second worst sort of liar.

Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe.  is a LEAD.. 
to a mis-lead...'Bait and Switch   no way around it, con man.


Clearly Stated in a non manipulative manner: Europe has changed the 
labeling requirements for the sale of CS from being sold as a 
supplement It is still being sold in stores.


Anything less clear is intentional dis-info... jackass.
and you KNOW it.

It's tough enough to be intentionally clear without using liars language 
to be intentionally opaque with meanings and mis-communicate on purpose


..now thump your bible at me. [He didn't, **this** time..no further 
communication.]

The worst of all liars.

ken








At 03:13 AM 1/17/2010 -0800, you wrote:





..And Ive

Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's

Annie:

I agree with you.  I presume that when folks see lower prices they may think
the quality isn't as good.  That's a sad rumor...  But I've been using
Swanson products for years, saving immense amounts of money over other
supplement outlets, and especially over retail outlets.  And Swanson has, as
you said, some great products.  What a fantastic catalog (usually 144 pages)
we receive every month from Swanson - and often with two for the price of
one sales.  And you can count on very fresh products because they turn over
product so quickly.  Nothing sits on a shelf for over a year and gets
stale.  And they ship very quickly.  Lee Swanson sends well meaning,
updated research at least once a month. I may not agree with some of it, but
at least he sends it. And I love the way he travels looking for and bringing
back excellent new health products from different places in the world.
Reminds me a little of Dr. David G. Williams, the wonderful Chiropractor,
who travels the outback world seeking healthy remedies from tribes, etc.,
for various health concerns.  And last, but not least, they've been in
business for about 40 years.  That's a testimony unto itself.
Annie, I see you also have a knowledgeable mind of your own (thank God...)
with your
I don't have to depend on he said, she said, they said.
I, too, am extremely opinionated, walking the walk and talking the talk for
over 35 proud years, doing my own testing with supplements like you.  And
I cross reference all alternative health information - at least twice and
usually more.  And some of my opinions and knowledge gets me into a lot of
trouble - which I really don't mind.  I will not be brainwashed just because
everyone in a particular group has a particular opinion or thinks that's the
way it is - when I know differently.  Stand and be counted.  Question with
boldness - as the political entertainer Glenn Beck reminds folks.  Now if
Beck only knew a lot more about real health, he wouldn't suffer the
ailments and colds he suffers - poor fella'. Ha..  Ha.
Keep on Keepin' on, Annie.

John


On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dunno where you heard that Swanson doesn't have good quality. I use a whole
 bunch of Swanson's products, and I have never had a complaint with their
 quality or effectiveness. Swanson has passed all the lab tests done by
 Consumer Labs(an independent supplement testing lab) for purity and having
 what is stated on the label in the amounts stated, and digestibility, and
 all the other tests done, including lead content. Some of the higher priced
 name brands have failed those tests. So high price does not = quality. I can
 say for a fact from using Swanson products that Swanson products are a very
 good to excellent quality, I don't have to depend on he said, she said, they
 said. If a supplement maker produces a product that is inferior or
 ineffective, and I give supps at least a three month trial before I call it
 quits, I don't waste my money on their products, and I could care less whose
 name is pasted on the label.

 That being said, I also use products from Mountain Rose Herbs, 1Fast400,
 and I'm going to purchase some things from some other places that have been
 recommended to me with decent prices to check their quality as well.



 Annie

 Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


 sol wrote:

 At 07:39 AM 1/23/2010, you wrote:

 Yes they are good but I have heard the quality of their products aren't!
 Donna ACS

  In comparing with prices with iherb, it appears to me, Swanson's prices
 are better - for the most part.

 John

 I have had no trouble with any Swanson brand product. It is true that at
 ConsumerLab, various products have tested poorly (lead contamination, not
 containing stated amount of active ingredients, and other problems) but I
 have seen one or two products from nearly every brand fail testing at some
 point. Even the premium brands like Life Extension and others. Because a
 product or brand is low priced is no guarantee of poor quality and being
 very high priced does not guarantee high quality either.
 Swanson ships relatively quickly too.
 We also have had good luck with Puritan's Pride products, but many of
 their own brand items contain inactive ingredients to which I am allergic,
 so what I can use from them is more limited.
 I have also gotten some good things from VitaCost some very good buys in
 their NSI brand with the exact formula of higher priced brands.
 sol

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Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,Challenge Steve




  ..and some people get so focused on one threat, they never see the 
threat that deceptively points it out with a great deal of exaggeration 
and double talk.

Ode


At 12:32 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Read his blogs.  Read.  Calm down - what a joke. So many on this 
silverlist are such know-it-alls - yeah, right...


John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Deborah Gerard 
mailto:devorah...@yahoo.comdevorah...@yahoo.com wrote:
calm down John I have not read anything that has been posted that show 
any specific person has contacted Steve and have gotten a reply from him.



From: John E. Stevens 
mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.comjonellis.steven...@gmail.com

To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:13:50 PM
Subject: Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,Challenge Steve

You are reading it...  It's time to wake up...

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Deborah Gerard 
mailto:devorah...@yahoo.comdevorah...@yahoo.com wrote:

Has anyone from this list conctacted Steve and challenged him?
I would be very interested to read what he says,
Debbie


From: Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net
To: mailto:silver-l...@eskimo..comsilver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 10:31:15 AM
Subject: Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,



  It's a Steven Barwick  hoax to sell his generators through intentional
assumptive trickery...the weasel..

Ode


At 08:57 AM 1/21/2010 -0600, you wrote:
This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some regulations
were added to labeling, but that is all.

doug


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Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake

hi, Simeon:

I give blood every 56 days.  The Red Cross always test my iron levels which
are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say.  I enjoy giving blood because
it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron
out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood.  A couple days
after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I
attribute to the fresh, new blood.  Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh
new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense
amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron.
It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood - which is
a very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me.  Most folks, even
young folks,  take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood. What does that
mean?  My arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows very well.  Vit C
also helps to clean your veins and arteries out, but I also use chlorella,
zeolite, pectasol and EDTA to clean my circulatory system (Vit E, CoQ10,
resveratrol, L-Lyceine, too). I deem they're all important.  Chlorine is
dangerous to the circulatory system, too. I haven't drunk tap water in many,
many years.  There's a deep in the ground, free flowing spring a short ways
down my road where I draw my water and store in GLASS - not plastic...
Ha... It's the water I drink and cook in.  I also put a chlorine filter in
my shower so I don't inhale any chlorine steam.  Chlorine puts little
scratches inside your veins and arteries which cholesterol patches like a
band-aid and after years and years of cholesterol patches, folks wonder
why their veins and arteries plug-up.  Hmmmnnn.  Other bad food sources
help the plug-up, too.  Fairly obvious, isn't it?
In my last message to you, I was going to mention additional supplements I
take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium, glucosamine *without* chondroitinn,
natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate support, ginko, and there are others I'll
mention later.  I've been taking supplements for over 35 years and I've
added and subtracted as new info came along.

2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg

 Hi John, group,

 I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could
 be a problem.

 Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is
 liposomal C better in this sense ?

 Simeon

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2010-01-24 Thread martsmail53



 



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CSunsubscribe

2010-01-24 Thread Jonathan Chamberlain

  - Original Message - 
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  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:10 AM
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #96

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Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant




  To clear that up a bit:

ANY sort of silver can cause Argyria if enough of it is retained
It's just that with a normal elimination rate and the maximum concentration 
of properly made Ionic Silver being at about 25-30 PPM , retaining that 
much would take longer than a lifetime..or, that much water would make your 
life very short and your body would turn blue...but not from silver.
..and an *abnormal* elimination system is EXTREMELY rare. [But it may be 
possible to marginalize a normal system by overloading it with other metals 
that share the same system...like copper in drinking water ]


 Research papers linked to from Rosemary Jacobs site [the blue lady..the 
links are gone now, so I can't find the exact paper and can only summarize 
] indicated that when purposefully trying to make animals blue in order to 
study the condition, they failed to do so even when using repeated 
injections of mega doses of silver compounds at thousands of PPMs and went 
to the Silver Industry for information...in utter frustration.
 What was found was, that even in situations where exposure to a LOT of 
silver was 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for decades, the Argyria rate was 
one in 2,000 workers...and... the industry had a lower absentee rate for 
colds and flu than any other industry.
 Taken as an average sample of an overall population of 300 
millionwhat is the total number at risk, and how many of them use 
Silver in any form, at any concentration, in any amount?
At WORST case, it would seem there only 5 or 10 cases out of several 
hundred thousand instances of ignorance and excess.


It's not that 400 PPM MSP... WILL turn you blue, it's that it can turn 
you blue.. IF.. you are one of those rare people.
 But that much silver at 20 PPM and under..the water would kill you first, 
*even if * you were one of those rare people and it wasn't Ionic.


But, MSP has that protein coating and it takes a [rumored ? ] 50 times as 
much silver to do the same job.


Not to mention some little bit of logic: [Well, OK, I  did]
 A particle so large that it can't get in...needn't get out.
 And unless it got bigger inside, if it got in, it can also get out.

 [Phalen and Morrow 1973]  Dogs excreted approximately  90% of an inhaled 
dose of metallic silver particles [finely ground dust...meaning 
comparatively HUGE particles and a lot of them] in the feces within 30 days 
of exposure.


 **Normal** elimination rate for oral doses is 94% to 99% in 24 hours [US 
EPA 1985, Newton and Holmes 1966 and 1980].regardless of the form of 
silver, although Ionic might be faster and primarily in the urine vs the 
feces, as Roger Altman related a while back.


 BTW  Copper is a potent nerve toxicant and far more common in the 
environment than silver...almost as common as Aluminum.
 Both Copper and Silver have an affinity for damaged nerve tissues and are 
used as diagnostic tools [cupro/silver staining], not that those metals 
caused the damage, but that is drawn to there and may lead to an assumption.
 While it takes very little of too much Copper to damage the nerves, it 
takes a LOT of Silver.
One key transporter for both is Selenium...which is NOT common in the 
environment and is itself deadly toxic if you get too much.


Ode




At 05:43 PM 1/23/2010 +, you wrote:
Most people on this list have been taking CS for years and years with 
nothing but good results Joanne.  I am a newbie and have been taking it 
for five years.  Correctly made CS (NOT silver salts or mild silver 
protein) but ionic plus colloidal silver has never been found to be 
toxic.  Argyria is caused by the ingestion of silver salts or MSP and even 
that (which causes the blue colour) is not toxic only aesthetically 
displeasing.  We all give it to our dogs, cats, bunnies, birds etc., with 
no ill effects, only good ones.  dee


On 22 Jan 2010, at 20:31, mailto:oasisgr...@aol.comoasisgr...@aol.com wrote:


I understand,

Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ?   I read 
an article referencing that Blue Man and his issues and experiences ... 
someone please speak up.


JoAnne

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CSRe: Coconut Oil / Off-Topic

2010-01-24 Thread Peter Converse


Hi Folks,

I, too, have been a big fan of Tropical Traditions coconut oil. Another one 
I have found to be equally good or at least extremely close in all respects 
is Nutiva brand:


www.nutiva.com

If you can get cheaper shipping on this product for some reason, I would 
recommend it too!


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS Good supplement site



Hi Dee,

You could try the indian foods (ingredients) shop. Also haunt the soap
makers suppliers.

OK,
tony

On 23 Jan 2010 at 19:14, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSCS Good supplement site


thanks jim, I like TT for coconut oil too but unfortunately, it is too
expensive to get here in the UK.  I wonder what the postage for
supplements from the co-op would be to here.  iHerb is really reasonable
but not as cheap for the supplements as the co-op although still cheap.
dee

On 23 Jan 2010, at 18:38, Acmeair wrote:

 i've been a member since the co-op was formed, and am very happy with
 their products.  and tropical traditions is very good for very good
 coconut oil. etc.   jim


 Jan 23, 2010 10:21:51 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:






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CS Check out The Cancer Answer

2010-01-24 Thread martsmail53



 


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CSnow ppm sizes




  Using the meter won't hurt anything, just be aware that when conditions 
are different, you need to alter the Eddicated Guesswork some.
That also applies to using Auto Off circuity that uses conductivity [like a 
meter does].. there may be more silver there than normal and not show up 
and take quite a bit longer to build up Ionic conductivity as more of it is 
crystallizing at a lower saturation point, if it's cold and cold water 
itself is considerably less conductive than warm, further adding to the 
time it takes to add Ionic conductivity on top of the lowered water 
conductivity.


 Just the other day I discovered how much difference there can be, when I 
ran 2 batches in my cold house using water that was the same temperature 
and they took about 5 times as long as when run in the summer using similar 
water. [I don't do a lot of heating and cooling ]
 But all the factors don't add up to 5 times as much *silver* in the 
water...maybe 5% more? [as a wild guess]


Ode


At 06:55 PM 1/23/2010 +, you wrote:
Thanks Ode.  Do you think it will do any good to run the meter on, or is 
this unnecessary?  dee


On 23 Jan 2010, at 15:56, Ode Coyote wrote:



 Ions are in solution and are all that registers on a meter.
 Cold water has a lower saturation point to maintain a solution..ions go 
colloidal and don't register on a meter.
 If those colloidal particles are still very very small, even a laser 
won't show them as TE.

 The silver is still there.

 PPM meters don't measure PPM...and all you have is a good guess under 
certain conditions based on conductivity

 Temperature is one of those conditions.

 Ode





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CSnow ppm sizes




  If that's a TDS meter, the actual PPM of silver water would be more 
like 20 PPM and that's about as good as it gets and still stay consistent 
and repeatable considering all the other variations in environment and 
water quality.

ie  ...anything over around 20 PPM gets more iffy, the more over that you go.
 Beyond that you find contaminant reaction thresholds that move around a 
lot and a VERY iffy barrier at 30.


ode

At 03:00 PM 1/23/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Ode, what is your recommendation for testing your CS? I was told 10 ppm 
was a good one to stay with on a meter sent by Utopia.

Thanks,
Leslie
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Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: CSperiodontal infected gum disease - now ppm sizes


Thanks Ode.  Do you think it will do any good to run the meter on, or is 
this unnecessary?  dee


On 23 Jan 2010, at 15:56, Ode Coyote wrote:




Ions are in solution and are all that registers on a meter.
Cold water has a lower saturation point to maintain a solution..ions go 
colloidal and don't register on a meter.
If those colloidal particles are still very very small, even a laser 
won't show them as TE.

The silver is still there.

PPM meters don't measure PPM...and all you have is a good guess under 
certain conditions based on conductivity

Temperature is one of those conditions.

Ode





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RE: CSNon Soy Lecithin

2010-01-24 Thread Nenah Sylver

Here are two sources of non-soy and non-egg lecithin. I have not tried
either.

 

http://www.crystallinesolutions.com/home.html 


www.austradeinc.com 

 

Nenah

Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake

2010-01-24 Thread slickpicker

John:

Do you take any fish oil supplements?  I read recently that studies indicate C 
and E interfere with its apoptotic activities, and that could be an issue if 
one is taking high-ish doses of fish oil to control cancer.

Thanks,
TW


 John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
hi, Simeon:

I give blood every 56 days.  The Red Cross always test my iron levels which
are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say.  I enjoy giving blood because
it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron
out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood.  A couple days
after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I
attribute to the fresh, new blood.  Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh
new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense
amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron.


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Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,




  Microns are a valid measurement scale, but whenever you see a figure 
with the number 8 in it, it's highly likely that it's a repeat from a place 
that uses a TEM to measure particle sizes.
 A TEM must have a dry sample and when Ions don't have water, they aren't 
ions anymore, but oxidize on exposure to air into Silver Oxide 
particles...which are much larger than the Ions.
 Those particles were never in the water...they were CREATED by removing 
the water.

 And no microscope that I know of can photograph an Ion.

The statement that the TEM is the industry standard for measuring colloidal 
particles...is true...but not in THIS industry.


 Further, the WAY the samples are dried can alter the dispersion photos at 
will, so different samples can look different while before they were dried, 
they were exactly the same.


..and SQ knows it. [He isn't stupid]

SQ makes a very good product at a decent price BTW.it's just the way 
it's sold made to look special using misleading weasel words and bogus 
proofs. [endlessly copied and passed around by the innocent ignorant or the 
purposefully deceptive]


Ode



At 04:25 PM 1/23/2010 -0700, you wrote:
I suspected something was not right when he used microns, 0.8 instead 
of nanometers to describe his particle size.


On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM, John E. Stevens 
mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.comjonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
You need to open your eyes, too, ode.  You're not aware of what's 
happening onlky namecalling.  How small is that?


John


On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Ode Coyote 
mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:



 It's a Steven Barwick  hoax to sell his generators through 
intentional assumptive trickery...the weasel.


Ode


At 08:57 AM 1/21/2010 -0600, you wrote:
This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some 
regulations were added to labeling, but that is all.


doug


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Re: CSbi-polar



  The gang is not right in the face of proof...got some?
 Have you ever tested the tradition yourself?

The gang has, many times for many years.


Ode


At 06:53 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Oh, it's the gang approach - and the whole gang must be right...  Grow 
up...  It is best - period...


John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
mailto:d...@deetroy.orgd...@deetroy.org wrote:
Don't start this again, John, we have just had a big discussion about 
this and it was established that you and maybe others PREFER to keep your 
CS in brown bottles but it isn't NECESSARY or best.  I might ask you if 
you can *prove* what you say, as well!  I and a myriad others on this 
list store ours in clear plastic or glass with no problems at all, and 
have done for many years.  dee


On 23 Jan 2010, at 10:44, John E. Stevens wrote:

Just what proof do you have of that advice, Dee?  It's been known for 
years that dark amber colored glass bottles are the very best to store 
CSW in.  The Freund company has great dark amber glass bottles with 
plastic tops so they won't rust or corrode.  What is best is best - not 
just make-do...


John

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
mailto:d...@deetroy.orgd...@deetroy.org wrote:

you don't need brown containers to store it in.  dee



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Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Good points, Annie.  Weekly detoxing is very important - in my mind,
anyway.  I always take a large glass of iced, pure spring water into my
Sauna to re-hydrate the toxic liquids I lose in sweating out the poisons.
NEVER any alcohol - only pure, delicious Spring water.  I've never found
myself light headed, but I only sit and listen to music or meditate in my
Sauna for a half-hour.  And an immediate shower afterwards to wash the
poisons off.  Ahhh, I love it!

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sweating has been a tested and true method of detox and purification for
 thousands of years. It is not a new concept. And for people who don't have
 money for buying saunas, an old fashioned Native American sweat lodge will
 accomplish the same thing much cheaper. I believe there are plans and
 instructions on the web.

 Build a frame, from wood, pvc, old piping, tree branches,  or whatever, and
 cover it with layers of blankets or skins or whatever non toxic items you
 have at hand to hold the heat inside.  And a non melting, non toxic
 container in the center of the structure to hold heated stones or bricks.
 That's all that's necessary. Oh, and do not use a pot or pan that has a non
 stick coating to hold your heated rocks and stones. Toxic fumes.


 Oh and a spotter. Some people report light headedness, and hallucinations
 from steam and/or dry heat saunas due to the high temps the body gets to. I
 would not recommend drinking alcohol or taking anything else with
 tranquilizing kind of effect beforehand either. It would not do to go to
 sleep or pass out in such a high temp environment.


 Annie
 Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


 John E. Stevens wrote:

 I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F
 (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body.
  Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too.  It runs
 off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood
 pressure  around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I
 owned the Sauna.  I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each
 time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally
 recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on
 that.  But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'.

 John

 On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com mailto:
 martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who
writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty




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CSUnsubscribe

2010-01-24 Thread khoshaba mirza

Hi,
Please take me off the list.
Thanks

Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Lisa:

My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  My total total electric and gas
bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters.  Basically because I
have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly
purrs day and night from late November until late March.  It costs me about
$500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I
can always cut and split wood...  I have a furnace back-up, too, but never
use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago.
  I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I
use it - maybe less.  I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years
ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed.  I'm also
contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices.
I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet.

My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat
claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well.  36 R in all the walls and
40 R in the ceilings.  The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating
fans for air cirulation.  There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and
DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean
air to be very relevant...  Ha...  Ha...

There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that
absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running
through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system
in the winter - if I choose to use it.  It's a very cozy home with a digital
office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio,
master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs.  All the
floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the
darkroom).

I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a
large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub
and where my Sauna is located.
My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many,
many years ago.  It doesn't need to be removed in the winter.  It takes the
weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the
weather.  I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years.  I
don't like replacing things.  I'm not a disposable believer.  I like
things that last.  I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well...

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote:

  Hi John,



 What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of
 course).



 Thx.



 Lisa


  --

 *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: CSCS  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS



 I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F
 (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body.
 Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too.  It runs off
 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood
 pressure  around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I
 owned the Sauna.  I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each
 time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally
 recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on
 that.  But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'.

 John

 On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

 Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes
 about saunas benefits. Thanks marty

Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant

2010-01-24 Thread Mike Monett

  To Dan, David, Chuck, Kathryn, Tony, and the group,

  Golly, thanks  for  the   incredible  welcome.  That  was completely
  unexpected! It's  good to see you all again, and that you  are still
  active in cs.

  I am finally getting rid of the headaches that have plagued  me 24X7
  for the past decade. After years of trial and error, I  discovered a
  new instrument  that  came on the market  recently,  and  bought two
  Dylos DC1100  Pro Air Quality Monitors. These helped me find  what I
  was doing wrong, and how to fix it. The url is

http://www.dylosproducts.com/dc1100paqmc.html

  When I was working at Memorex in 1970, similar instruments cost over
  $20,000 and  took  two  people  to lift.  The  Dylos  are  much more
  sensitive, cost  about 1 percent of the old ones, and  you  can hold
  them in  your  hand! They work great, and  I  cannot  recommend them
  highly enough for anyone who suffers from allergies or  the symptoms
  of mold toxins.

  If you  need one, get the Pro version. It is twice as  sensitive and
  works with particles as small as 0.5 micron. These are the ones that
  are hardest to eliminate.

  I have  more  information  on  making  cs  and  some  major  news on
  contamination problems that probably affect 99% of the people here.

  One of  the problems that arise is the conductivity of the  cs drops
  after making it. Two ladies recently posted the same observation.

  The question is not why does it drop, that's obvious. The problem is
  why does  it  plateau and hold a constant reading.  The  results are
  preliminary, but  I am working on new instruments  that  should give
  answers to  these  observations.  My web site is  badly  in  need of
  updating, but it may have some information that is of  interest. The
  url is

http://www.pstca.com/silversol/index.htm

  The conductivity drop is shown in two plots on this page:

http://www.pstca.com/silversol/theory/goodcs.htm

  Again, thank  you  for the hearty welcomes. I am  grateful  for your
  kind thoughts,  and  I hope to bring new and  useful  information to
  this forum.

  BTW, one  person  posted  recently  about  reading  the  archives. I
  searched and  could not find any more information.  Do  the archives
  exist, and if so, how do you get to them? If they don't  exist, what
  would it take to start them again?

  Best Wishes,

  Mike M.


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Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant/...4Mike!

2010-01-24 Thread Mike Monett

  Hi Mike,

   Glad to  see   your   feeling   better   (well   enough)  to start
   posting-again/working-on new  (updated)   materials  for  your WEB
   Sites (4?), since the e-mail's...Fall 08?

   LoL, guess  you  saw  me  checking them  out  (over  the  past few
   hours)...but I'm  not sure (at this time) if ready  for  others to
   see your AG~URL's...so I'm Silent! (Members need good  sources for
   DIY~INFO, I'm also working on few Projects)

   Don't have  enough time for a private email right-now,  but very
   important that   we   have   a   discussion   via  email/(or short
   phone-call) over   a   serious   PROBLEM   that   you   are likely
   not-aware-of...related to  potential LEGAL Issues, with  NEW thing
   you have  added to SITES...since last lQQked at  content,  back in
   Fall 08.

   (If you have not-posted LINK(S) yet, please HOLD-OFF...until I can
   explain..!!!)

  GO-IONIC,
  Dok Dallas

   P.S. See  you  are using a new email address...so  please  send me
   short-email, so  I  can be sure to SEND a reply that  you  will be
   sure to receive...on Sunday?

   I need  to  get some sleep, before long-drive  in  few  hours, but
   return by Sunday.

  Hi Dok,

  Thanks for the nice welcome. My web site is

http://www.pstca.com/silversol/index.htm

  I really don't think there is any problem with legal issues,  but if
  you have  something you think is important, you can reach me  at the
  address on my web site, or on my home page, or through this forum.

  The email addresses are from Kasmail. The url is

http://www.kasmail.com/

  I use  them  to  eliminate spam. At the  beginning,  I  used  to get
  hundreds or  thousands per week. Now I am lucky if I  get  one every
  three or four months!

  Best Wishes,

  Mike


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Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant

2010-01-24 Thread Mike Monett

   At 08:36 PM 1/22/2010, you wrote:

   I am  so  glad to hear you are doing better and  getting  the mold
   under control. That is wonderful news!

   You flatter me overmuch, but I am most flattered that you remember
   me.

   I am  very  interested in your new discoveries, and  hope  to hear
   more about them soon.

  best wishes back to you,
  sol

  Hi sol,

  You would be hard to forget. As one of the oldtimers here,  you have
  always provided thoughtful and helpful posts to everyone. It will be
  a pleasure working with you again on new discoveries in making cs.

  Now that I have finally found the key to solving the  mold problems,
  my focus is on eliminating them completely. So it will take a little
  while before I am able to finish building the new instrumentation to
  work on  the contamination problems in cs. But I  think  the results
  will help  explain most of the problems people have had  with making
  good cs, and how to overcome them.

  If I  get  some time, I will post the analysis on  the  data  I have
  collected so far.

  Best Wishes,

  Mike M.


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Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake

2010-01-24 Thread Tony Moody

Ya Well John,

Best check your source of glass bottles. Some (all?) are plastic coated
inside. Who knows what is sprayed in and then it is sintered onto the
inside surface for various reasons; strengthening and sealing being two,
so that lighter bottles may be made.

You will have to search for that yourself. How do I know. I was engineer
for a brewery a good few years ago and that was told to me. I wanted to
know why the caustic soda bottle washing fluid didn't etch the glass.

OK,
Tony


On 24 Jan 2010 at 8:24, John E. Stevens wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake

 hi, Simeon:

 I give blood every 56 days.  The Red Cross always test my iron levels
 which are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say.  I enjoy giving blood
 because it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any
 excess iron out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood.
 A couple days after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of
 energy which I attribute to the fresh, new blood.  Imagine how wonderful
 creating a fresh new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years
 of taking immense amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with
 iron. It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood -
 which is a very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me.  Most
 folks, even young folks,  take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood.
 What does that mean?  My arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows
 very well.  Vit C also helps to clean your veins and arteries out, but I
 also use chlorella, zeolite, pectasol and EDTA to clean my circulatory
 system (Vit E, CoQ10, resveratrol, L-Lyceine, too). I deem they're all
 important.  Chlorine is dangerous to the circulatory system, too. I
 haven't drunk tap water in many, many years.  There's a deep in the
 ground, free flowing spring a short ways down my road where I draw my
 water and store in GLASS - not plastic... Ha... It's the water I drink and
 cook in.  I also put a chlorine filter in my shower so I don't inhale any
 chlorine steam.  Chlorine puts little scratches inside your veins and
 arteries which cholesterol patches like a band-aid and after years and
 years of cholesterol patches, folks wonder why their veins and arteries
 plug-up.  Hmmmnnn.  Other bad food sources help the plug-up, too.
 Fairly obvious, isn't it? In my last message to you, I was going to
 mention additional supplements I take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium,
 glucosamine *without* chondroitinn, natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate
 support, ginko, and there are others I'll mention later.  I've been taking
 supplements for over 35 years and I've added and subtracted as new info
 came along.

 2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg

  Hi John, group,
 
  I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron
  could be a problem.
 
  Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is
  liposomal C better in this sense ?
 
  Simeon
 
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Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC sauna price of electricity cost of KWH

2010-01-24 Thread martsmail53

John,
Anyone's Electricity in USA for a 1500  watt  36 x 36 Fir Sauna, for 
warm up time of 30 minutes and use time  of 30 minutes is less than $0 .22. 
( 22 cents) mine is .11 cents.  Double that for New York at 14.31 per KWh   
1500 watts x 1 hour  divided by 1000+KWh (kilo watt hour) x cost of KWh of 
elec. = .07 per hour  in Nebraska USA, without my fire wood, wood burner, 
solar  energy, ceiling fans, R 60 in ceilings,10 ceilings, baseboard heat, but 
I  have I do have 1,700 tons of sand in my basement area. But that sand or 
my  1500 sq. of decking does nothing to make the price of a KWh from OPPD 
cost less  in Nebraska. I think Nebraska is colder than New York. You can buy  
a sauna on e-bay for $1,000  delivered. So for $40.00 I can use  everyday of 
the year for 30 minutes a day to get detoxed.

Marty
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com writes:

Lisa:

My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  My  total total electric and 
gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY  winters.  Basically because 
I have a passive solar heated home with a  wood stove back-up which warmly 
purrs day and night from late November until  late March.  It costs me about 
$500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I  fear they may rise in price and 
I can always cut and split wood...  I  have a furnace back-up, too, but 
never use it. I used to when I had to be out  of town for a week or two years 
ago.   I can't imagine my Sauna costs  much more than a dollar or two every 
time I use it - maybe less.  I  bought my passive solar heated house about 20 
years ago - because I feared  where energy prices may be headed.  I'm also 
contemplating putting in a  wind -mill to offset the electrical prices.  
I've got the plans for  building it - I just haven't implemented that yet.  

My post and  beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat  
claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well.  36 R in all the walls  and 
40 R in the ceilings.  The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with  
rotating fans for air cirulation.  There is a main ozonated air cleaner  in the 
LR 
and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find  
breathingtclean air to be very relevant...  Ha...   Ha...

There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement  that 
absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing  running 
through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan  system 
in the winter - if I choose to use it.  It's a very cozy home with  a 
digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording  
studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs.   All 
the 
floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms  and the 
darkroom).  

I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer  living room...) where I have a 
large colloidal silver water treated  (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub 
and where my Sauna is located.
My  deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, 
many  years ago.  It doesn't need to be removed in the winter.  It takes  
the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the  
weather.  I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15  years.  I 
don't like replacing things.  I'm not a disposable  believer.  I like 
things that last.  I still have a 1967 Nikon F  that works super well...

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa _blacksa...@comcast.net_ 
(mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net)   wrote:


 
Hi  John, 
What’s it cost to  run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of 
course). 
Thx. 
Lisa 
 
  

 
From: John  E. Stevens [mailto:_jonellis.steven...@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com) ] 
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10  PM
To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) 
Subject: Re: CSCS  OFF TOPIC  FIR SAUNAS
I have a Sunlight  Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F 
(even in the dead of  winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body.  
Mine is on my  deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too.  It runs 
off 120  house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood  
pressure  around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I  
owned the Sauna.  I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour  each 
time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally  
recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on  
that.  
But as far sweating poisons out - you  betcha'.

John 
 
 
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, _martsmai...@aol.com_ 
(mailto:martsmai...@aol.com)  wrote: 
 
 
Do FIR sauna help  control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes 
about saunas  benefits. Thanks marty

CS Vit.C iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis

2010-01-24 Thread Harold MacDonald

For many years I have used Vitamin C in various forms and the last few years as 
Ascorbic Acid,Sodium Ascorbate and Calcium Ascorbate in large doses.
Last May I had a complete blood work-up and it showed my iron was normal; and 
at my age it was a relief.
Any one trying Liposomal CS/EIS ?
Also any-one successful treating RA?;A very close friend [in early 60s] has the 
start of it.
TIA.
Harold

Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

2010-01-24 Thread leslie

Ode, please note that a christian is supposed to be Christ like but not all 
are. Perhaps the word might be hypocrite. Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

At 12:17 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
You need to open your eyes, too, ode.  You're not aware of what's 
happening onlky namecalling.  How small is that?

John

  You don't know our years long history
..We've had some communications about this and other things over the 
yearsBIBLE thumping liar and weasel

Barwick quotes scripture when he gets cornered, says *I'm running a 
BUSINESS here and you're just small fryI spend hundreds of thousands 
on advertising*like that justifies everything and I give a hoot about 
getting big, never actually HELPED a competitor, or just because a LOT of 
people get ripped off believing his bullsh*t, it's all just fine. [At the 
time, he was selling his stuff for $400+ and making impossible claims 
about what it did ]

 Ya know.. if he was actually honest, he'd not have to spend a dime on 
advertising.  Word of mouth is a bit slower, but is far more powerful in 
the long run.

Barwick emailed me directly in an email spam campaign.
Had he not, I'd not have bothered with him..[again]...I'm actually 
surprised that he responded.

But not surprised at how.

 An unequivocal statement Colloidal silver has indeed been banned 
throughout Europe.  ...then buried in a 3 part text, a denial of making 
that statement.
 But why would I even bother to read all that crap when sources *In the 
UK* say the original statement isn't true? [It's not that I can't read..I 
DIDN'T read past the screamers, having checked out the original statement 
before getting the spam and knowing beforehand there wasn't anything there 
worth reading ]
..and also having had words with that turkey in the past...actually nice 
helpful ones..an offer to help him make his ad copy make some sort of 
sense so he didn't look like an idiot to anyone with any sort of 
scientific acumen.. turned rotten with a venomous stream of sociopathic 
god-speak in reply.
..which makes it clear that his ad copy was **intentionally** conflicted 
confusing carefully crafted misleading nonsense... a Phishing expedition 
to intentionally select the gullible and intellectually defenseless. 
[It's not that he can't write nonsense as well as any slime lawyer ]

 My ex brother in law used to brag about making a fortune selling very 
expensive Encyclopedias to illiterate people that could barely afford to 
eat...so yea, a bit of a raw nerve there concerning con men and 
professing Christians doing business using religion as a base ball bat 
to beat down any protest from a burned believer.

BTW  My Bro in Law later turned himself into a Morman married the daughter 
of one of the elders and moved to Boise ...good luck Mormans. [Mind your 
pockets, there be a shark swimming around in the lint. ]

Ode

[The SPAM]
Hi, Steve Barwick here, for 
http://www.TheSilverEdge.comwww.TheSilverEdge.com...

Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe.

Ive verified it through my contacts in Europe, which include Europes most 
respected health freedom organization, the ANH. ...

From: odecoyote  [The reply]

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:13 AM
To: Steve Barwick
Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II

  My sources in the UK say that CS is still being sold there and that 
only the labeling requirements have changed.
It can no longer be sold as a Supplement and is now sold under the more 
accurate heading of disinfectant, like in Australia for the past many 
years.

But thanks for the dis-information and the sales pitch.

ken

At 04:53 PM 1/17/2010 -0800, you wrote: [the response]
I said it has been banned as a food supplement, ken, and it has.  No 
disinformation.  You just have to be able to read above a third grade 
level.

Steve

Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:33:08 -0500  [..you turkey.]
To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net

Subject: RE: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II

 Sales speak that requires such close inspection is clearly intentional 
deception in the context of the intentional fear 
triggers.manipulator.
Truth intended to be understood doesn't require lawyers to figure it out 
OR careful reading.

 An honest person doesn't need fine print.
Slick salesman...the second worst sort of liar.

Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe.  is a LEAD.. 
to a mis-lead...'Bait and Switch   no way around it, con man.

Clearly Stated in a non manipulative manner: Europe has changed the 
labeling requirements for the sale of CS from being sold as a 
supplement It is still being sold in stores.

Anything less clear is intentional dis-info... jackass.
and you KNOW it.

It's tough enough to be

Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary.

2010-01-24 Thread Brooks Bradley

Hello Bob,
We have not conducted any dedicated studies directly evaluating ALA, either singly or in combination...for lingual nerve insults.
However, I have had some personal experiences with the benefits of ALA for facial neuralgia, associated with upper tooth problems. 1000 mg of ALA daily, furnished me with complete relief in about 48 hours (the pain from the neuralgia was VERY intense from the initial insult). Before instituting the ALA component, no acceptable relief appeared from any protocol introduced. Some, small, degree of pain relief was achievedin the beginning---from Ibuprofen-type analgesicsbut this was short-lived and required unacceptably-high dosages. Some relief was achieved utilizing 4% lidocaine...in a topical settingas an address to the more intolerable episodes. This was, always, a last-ditch effort.
Later, I added Methyl B-12 to my 500 mg ALA daily prophylactic protocol. Presently, I maintain a i1000 mcg of sublingual Methyl B-12 and 400 mg of ALA (for several reasons, not just for neuralgia).
My personal inquiries from other researchers seems to confirm the individual variation in effective minimum prophylactic dosages of both ALA and B-12.required to relieve/maintain control parameters for varying types of neural trauma.
One observation: I am aware of some cases that required substantial dosages of both ALA and B-12 introduced via IV.in order to achieve rapid relief, for presentations of severe pain among test subjects. This was especially so
in some diabetic-related scenarios.
I apologize for being unable to furnish you more useful information. You have my genuine sympathy and good wishes for a rapid and complete resolution of your condition. I can testify, personally, to the degree of discomfort caused by your condition.
Best Regards, Brooks.

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Subject : Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary.
Date : Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:43 -0800
From : Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Brooks,

Have you done or do you know of any studies done on lingual nerve damage with resultant paresthesia/dysesthesia? I have burning pain on the right side of my tongue from an injection of articaine 30 months ago. I'm wondering if B1, B12, and ALA might give me some relief or if you've heard of any other protocol that might help. Looking forward to your response.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: Brooks Bradley
To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: CS>Burning Feet: Extended Commentary.

Now that my, original, comment has come through...I will conclude my comments on this topic.
First, however, I wish to rectify a misstatement made in my earlier post (caused by hasteI trust).
In the concluding paragraphs I commented on two improved types of B-12as being presently available. This was
in error. Actually, what I meant to say that there were " two improved members of the vitamin B family" presently available.
They are Benfotiamin (a B-1 form), which greatly improves cell penetration...and is a pronounced improvement over most of the earlier representatives of the B-1 family. This B-1 form has demonstrated to be a noticeable improvement over earlier types
offered by the commercial market. The beneficial effects...especially for challenges presented by diabetes complications---
are quite striking. Benfotiamin and Methyl B-12 demonstrate to act in synergistic manner when used simultaneouslyas
a peripheral neuropathic protocol.
The other vitamin is Methyl B-12 (methylcobalamine). This form is MUCH more soluble to tissue...than is the standard cobalamine form. Methyl-cobalamine is, also, quite effective as an ancillary protocol for autism in children (most especially below the age of 10 years).

This substance is well-tolerated by a majority of the general population, and oral ingestion is quite effective and adequate for maintaining satisfactory blood titers. Although IV was, is, more immediately effectiveand more completely utilizedthan is sublingually ingested forms of Methyl B-12..the sublingual administration shows to be about 50% as active (by volume), as are IV administrations. (At least that has been our experience).
We were privy to studies conducted by other research organizations, which revealed some very powerful effects of B-12 upon diabetic related peripheral neuropathy insults. e.g. One study revealed that IV injections of 2500 mcg of B-12 provided very substantial control/improvement in neuropathy presentations. Presenting symptoms (burning, itching, coldness, etc.) were well-resolvedsometimes in hours, and did not require other injections for intervals of...sometimesas great at 3 months. In some cases the "standard" protocol of 2500

Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake

2010-01-24 Thread Leslie

john, what type magnesium is ok to take. I got magnesium chloride as was 
recommended by Dr. Sircius (?) nurse when I had mercury poisoning. Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: John E. Stevens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:24 AM
  Subject: Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake

  hi, Simeon:

  I give blood every 56 days.  The Red Cross always test my iron levels which 
are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say.  I enjoy giving blood because it 
not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron out 
of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood.  A couple days after 
I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I attribute to 
the fresh, new blood.  Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh new pint supply 
of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense amounts of vitamin 
C, I've never had any problems with iron.  
  It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood - which is a 
very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me.  Most folks, even young 
folks,  take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood. What does that mean?  My 
arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows very well.  Vit C also helps to 
clean your veins and arteries out, but I also use chlorella, zeolite, pectasol 
and EDTA to clean my circulatory system (Vit E, CoQ10, resveratrol, L-Lyceine, 
too). I deem they're all important.  Chlorine is dangerous to the circulatory 
system, too. I haven't drunk tap water in many, many years.  There's a deep in 
the ground, free flowing spring a short ways down my road where I draw my water 
and store in GLASS - not plastic...  Ha... It's the water I drink and cook in.  
I also put a chlorine filter in my shower so I don't inhale any chlorine 
steam.  Chlorine puts little scratches inside your veins and arteries which 
cholesterol patches like a band-aid and after years and years of cholesterol 
patches, folks wonder why their veins and arteries plug-up.  Hmmmnnn.  Other 
bad food sources help the plug-up, too.  Fairly obvious, isn't it?  
  In my last message to you, I was going to mention additional supplements I 
take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium, glucosamine without chondroitinn, 
natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate support, ginko, and there are others I'll 
mention later.  I've been taking supplements for over 35 years and I've added 
and subtracted as new info came along.

  2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg

Hi John, group,

I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could 
be a problem.

Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is 
liposomal C better in this sense ?

Simeon

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Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary. ERROR CORRECTION

2010-01-24 Thread Brooks Bradley

Bob,
In the second paragraph there is an error. I struck a wrong key and failed to catch it. The error relates to the volume for
the methyl B-12. The lower-case "i" should not be there. The true dosage should read 1000 mcg.
No excusesbeyond senility. Brooks.

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Subject : Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary.
Date : Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:29:23 -0500 (EST)
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To : silver-list@eskimo.com

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Subject : Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary.
Date : Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:43 -0800
From : Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Brooks,

Bob
- Original Message -
From: Brooks Bradley
To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: CS>Burning Feet: Extended Commentary.

Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's

2010-01-24 Thread Gayla Roberts

You can also get Swanson's through Amazon at lower prices too sometimes.
Gayla
  - Original Message - 
  From: John E. Stevens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's

  Annie:

  I agree with you.  I presume that when folks see lower prices they may think 
the quality isn't as good.  That's a sad rumor...  But I've been using Swanson 
products for years,

Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

2010-01-24 Thread Peter Converse

sounds like a very nice home John!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: John E. Stevens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

  Lisa:

  My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  My total total electric and gas 
bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters.  Basically because I have 
a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day 
and night from late November until late March.  It costs me about $500.00 a 
year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always 
cut and split wood...  I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used 
to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago.   I can't imagine 
my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. 
 I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared 
where energy prices may be headed.  I'm also contemplating putting in a wind 
-mill to offset the electrical prices.  I've got the plans for building it - I 
just haven't implemented that yet.  

  My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat 
claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well.  36 R in all the walls and 40 R 
in the ceilings.  The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for 
air cirulation.  There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and 
individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be 
very relevant...  Ha...  Ha...

  There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that 
absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running 
through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in 
the winter - if I choose to use it.  It's a very cozy home with a digital 
office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, 
master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs.  All the floors 
are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the 
darkroom).  

  I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a 
large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and 
where my Sauna is located.
  My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, 
many years ago.  It doesn't need to be removed in the winter.  It takes the 
weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the 
weather.  I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years.  I 
don't like replacing things.  I'm not a disposable believer.  I like things 
that last.  I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well...

  John

  On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote:

Hi John,

What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course).

Thx.

Lisa

From: John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F 
(even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body.  
Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too.  It runs off 
120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood 
pressure  around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned 
the Sauna.  I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've 
been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My 
blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that.  But as far 
sweating poisons out - you betcha'.

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes 
about saunas benefits. Thanks marty

Re: CS Vit.C iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis

2010-01-24 Thread Peter Converse

Hi Harold, 

I have made a few batches of liposomic CS by following the liposomic Vit C 
directions from Brooks and using CS instead of DW (no Vit C of course). It 
tastes a little like milk with a hint of silver...kinda nice. It seemed to help 
with a virus I was fighting.

regards,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: Silver list 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:09 PM
  Subject: CS Vit.C  iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis


  For many years I have used Vitamin C in various forms and the last few years 
as Ascorbic Acid,Sodium Ascorbate and Calcium Ascorbate in large doses.
  Last May I had a complete blood work-up and it showed my iron was normal; and 
at my age it was a relief.
  Any one trying Liposomal CS/EIS ?
  Also any-one successful treating RA?;A very close friend [in early 60s] has 
the start of it.
  TIA.
  Harold

Re: CSCS Good supplement site,why cheap?

Thanks Harold.  dee

On 23 Jan 2010, at 19:56, Harold MacDonald wrote:

 The reason they are so cheap is; no advertising,no returns,buy it and you 
 keep it.and they buy from their suppliers in large quantities.
 They have been very fair with me.Once as they were in a move or something, my 
 order was shorted,but they took my word for it and gave me the right credit.
 I have been with them since Oct.2001.
 I also am very pleased with Tropical Traditions'  Coconut oil and Coconut 
 Creme.
  
 Harold

Re: CSCS Good supplement site

this looks really good Kirsteen, but I like the one which is expeller pressed 
for cooking with as we don't like the coconut flavour in food.  I know its not 
as good but its the next best thing.  It is mechanically pressed not chemically 
and  I get it from iHerb.  dee


On 23 Jan 2010, at 19:56, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 
 
 On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 
 I like TT for coconut oil too but unfortunately, it is too expensive to get 
 here in the UK.  
 
 If you're looking for Virgin coconut oil in the UK. I find this one amazing
 
  
 http://www.haverawcakeandeatit.co.uk/raw_food_uk/OILS_BUTTERS_Organic_Raw_Food.html
  
  
 I'm not connected with her in any way but I get a lot of stuff from there and 
 I always go there for my coconut oil. I've tried quite a few but I love this.
 
 Cheers
 Kirsteen

Re: liposomal C Re: CSHerniated disc's

Damn, I've only got one of those little mechanical chopper things.  dee

On 23 Jan 2010, at 20:30, sol wrote:

 After reading a post here about making it with either a VitaMix or a stick 
 blender, I used my stick blender. So far as I can tell it is fine, it has 
 been in the refrigerator for nearly 24 hours and nothing has separated out or 
 precipitated out so far. Next time I will use my VitaMix.
 I could probably afford the ultrasonic machine, but frankly have no place to 
 store it when not in use, no matter how small it is, LOL. We have reached the 
 point of impenetrability here, and there is nothing I want to part with to 
 make space for another piece of equipment, so I wanted to use an appliance I 
 already own.
 sol
 
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Re: CSbi-polar

On the evidence of years of experience - Yes, we are!  I also think you could 
be a bit more open minded John and accept that others could be right and - god 
forbid...you could be wrong!  There's a thought!  dee

On 23 Jan 2010, at 23:53, John E. Stevens wrote:

 Oh, it's the gang approach - and the whole gang must be right...  Grow up...  
 It is best - period...
 
 John
 


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Re: CS[List Owner] Warning...

Oops sorry Mike, I'm apologising now because I did it again, I sent my reply 
before I read the entire mailbox!  dee

On 23 Jan 2010, at 19:24, M. G. Devour wrote:

 VigHauf, Deborah, Jim, John,
 
 Let's stop this bickering now. 
 
 John, step back, read my messages to you and reassess your reactions. 
 
 Any more of this and I will start blocking people until they settle 
 down.
 
 Dont make me get out the hammer, folks.
 


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Re: CSCS Good supplement site

I think I may try their products Chuck, once I've checked the shipping cost of 
course.  dee

On 24 Jan 2010, at 00:22, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 I watched the birthing and development of this co-op.
 They are the real deal...extremely careful about what they approve as
 a product.
   Chuck
 The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the
 bread.
 
 
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Re: CSSilver.. a nerve cell toxicant or cell protector?

I did tell her to and she does occasionally albeit the Sainsbury sort.  dee

On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:51, lk wrote:

 Hi Dee,
 Hope your friend is taking CoQ10 ( ubiquinol) along  with the statins. That 
 could be the reason she is experiencing (muscle?) pain in the  legs  feet.
 
 --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

Re: CSnow ppm sizes

thanks for the reply Ode, I actually *meant* to run on the 'generator' not the 
meter! Tch, tch, senior moments again!  dee


On 24 Jan 2010, at 15:06, Ode Coyote wrote:

 
 
  Using the meter won't hurt anything, just be aware that when conditions are 
 different, you need to alter the Eddicated Guesswork some.
 That also applies to using Auto Off circuity that uses conductivity [like a 
 meter does].. there may be more silver there than normal and not show up and 
 take quite a bit longer to build up Ionic conductivity as more of it is 
 crystallizing at a lower saturation point, if it's cold and cold water 
 itself is considerably less conductive than warm, further adding to the time 
 it takes to add Ionic conductivity on top of the lowered water conductivity.
 
 Just the other day I discovered how much difference there can be, when I ran 
 2 batches in my cold house using water that was the same temperature and they 
 took about 5 times as long as when run in the summer using similar water. [I 
 don't do a lot of heating and cooling ]
 But all the factors don't add up to 5 times as much *silver* in the 
 water...maybe 5% more? [as a wild guess]
 
 Ode
 
 


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Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC sauna price of electricity cost of KWH