Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

2010-03-02 Thread Tad Winiecki
Lisa- I have used Xanthan gum to make gels, a tiny amount, just needs to 
be heated very briefly, like 15-20 seconds in a microwave, in water, 
cool, then add the CS. There are other gels like konjac root- 
Glucomannan; Guar gum, various seaweed gums, etc. You could try various 
ones and see what works.


- Original Message -
*From:* Lisa 
Hi All,

With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a
gel…the question I have is how to make one? I know that folks are
using CS as a gel…and I would love to know how to go about doing
so? I’ve got a variety of different ingredients around that may
work but would love to know what folks are using and doing to
accomplish theirs?

Thanks in advance
Lisa




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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-02 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
When I ordered mine, the exchange rate was way in our favour, and it worked out 
to be about £90 and then I had to add the £20 VAT.  I didn't think this was too 
bad at all, but I don't think the dollar is that low at the moment.  I think if 
it is $145 then this is £97 in our money, so you would have to add on VAT to 
that.  I can't remember if this included postage, but maybe not.  I remember 
thinking it was all quite reasonable (apart from the bl...y VAT that is! which 
is the biggest con of all time!)  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 22:04, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb 
> which is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the 
> weight is less than 3lbs.  
> 
> That sounds good. They charge VAT on anything over £18 but they include the 
> cost of postage in that. I can cheerfully accept that - it was the extra £10 
> I had to pay the PO which seemed totally arbitrary to me. They couldn't even 
> explain it themselves - it was just pay up or don't get your parcel. They did 
> give me a phone no. I could phone to get an explanation but it was a premium 
> rate no so I gave up holding on before I spent even more than the original 
> cost. I guess they get you every which way :-)
> 
> I wanted to order the Silver Puppy but it's made me scared as I've no idea 
> what they'll add on so I don't know if I can afford it or not.
> 
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
> 


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Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

2010-03-02 Thread Ode Coyote



Postage for a gel kit is free everywhere.
 You can even use it to make aloe vera gel.
..any water or alcohol based substance without diluting it.

Ode



  PAt 09:44 PM 3/1/2010 +0100, you wrote:
Isn't there anything I could get here in Germany instead of ordering from 
the States? I can't afford all of the postage. I'm also interested in 
mixing the brew with different ingredients. I have an Aloe Vera plant that 
I'd like to try, just don't know to what ratio, and/or adding it to 
another base cream I could easily buy in the apothecary here.


Aldi

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sandee George 
<oha...@juno.com> wrote:

Get a gel kit from Ode and make it yourself - it is available on his site
Regards
Sandee



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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

2010-03-02 Thread Ode Coyote



  A black surface soaking up the suns rays will heat that area in the 
water more than all the other areas.
 Warm rises, relatively cooler sinks [Temperature differential ] and the 
water circulates. ["Thermal Stirring"]


 Stirring does reduce deposits, especially where an un-interrupted ion 
track might intersect the container, but may not eliminate them as the 
majority of crud [but not all of it ] comes from water contamination being 
"used up" by highly reactive ions forming nonconductive particulates...in 
effect, further purifying the water as that insoluble crud falls out, as 
added ions that don't find a reaction partner make it more conductive with 
soluble ionic *silver*.


So
The crud is a "good thing"...to leave on the bottom...as the top becomes 
more refined by its dropping out.
The *generator* always does the same very simple thing in a massively 
variable and extremely reactive environment.


 A low frequency alternating current output to the electrodes eliminates 
DC ion tracking thus reducing the need to stir and those direction shifting 
traveling ions have mass and velocity, thus will move the water some, 
molecule by molecule by impact, but mostly only directly between the 
electrodes.


If the container is mostly filled with electrode, that's generally enough 
stirring.


ode


At 06:11 PM 3/1/2010 +0100, you wrote:
Ode, could you please elaborate on the strip of black tape or paint? Would 
that keep from crud from accumulating on the bottom?


Aldi

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Ode Coyote 
<odecoy...@windstream.net> wrote:



 So long as you use pure silver and pure water, there are  no 
photo-reactive compounds made and you can run batches in direct 
sunlight...and... use a strip of black tape or some paint

 to make the sun stir it.

Ode



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Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-02 Thread Ode Coyote



  The common denominator is "truth in advertising"
 Safety is always relative to threat and a matter of informed choice.
If YOU were in charge of safety, a doctor would make a much better advisor, 
no longer stuffed into a self defense box.


You see "Stossel" this week?

Ode



At 07:39 AM 3/1/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Ode,

I must disagree.  The FDA should be in charge of safety, not 
efficacy. Thus, so long as something isn't going to poison or kill you, 
it should be available regardless of whether or not it works.  Truth in 
advertising is another issue entirely and should not be subjected to FDA 
approval.  There is far too much power within the FDA and it is causing 
us our basic freedoms.  They will soon try and make Vit. C a prescription 
drug (as well as hundreds of other harmless supplements and nutrients) 
even though no one has ever died from it.  I'll take the risk AND my 
freedom to choose how I want to medicate if at all as opposed to having 
my choices suppressed entirely.

- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.



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RE: CS>How to make "gels"?

2010-03-02 Thread Lisa
Thanks so much...I actually have some xanthan around too :)

Would you say a teaspoon of xanthan to a half cup or cup of CS?

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:48 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

Lisa- I have used Xanthan gum to make gels, a tiny amount, just needs to 
be heated very briefly, like 15-20 seconds in a microwave, in water, 
cool, then add the CS. There are other gels like konjac root- 
Glucomannan; Guar gum, various seaweed gums, etc. You could try various 
ones and see what works.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lisa 
> Hi All,
>
> With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a
> gel.the question I have is how to make one? I know that folks are
> using CS as a gel.and I would love to know how to go about doing
> so? I've got a variety of different ingredients around that may
> work but would love to know what folks are using and doing to
> accomplish theirs?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Lisa
>


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Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

2010-03-02 Thread Rowena
I asked the same question some years ago, and I think it was Richard 
Harris, who was on the group at the time, and had been a Pharmacist for 
some 60 years or so, who said:


In regards to Pharmaceutical agents for making Topical Gels—Methylcellulose

Lipoil
Poloxamer NF Pluronic F127 Propylene Glycol are some of the newest most 
popular gelling, suspending agents. Most would come from your local 
independent Pharmacist (even if Not a Compounding Pharmacist), who as a 
favor to you could and probably would order it special in the original 
package after determining that you were NOT planning something harmful 
to yourself or others.



These are some other comments from around the same time about making a gel:

I looked a bottle of the organic Aloe Gel I used to use. It is by Lily 
of the Desert (not Lily of the Valley as I previously stated on this 
list). Carrageenan is used as a thickening agent. 
www.lilyofthedesert.com  is their 
website. Perhaps they can answer your questions. When you strip aloe it 
is thick but I don't think it will stay thick. Garnet



You can make a "gel" with Agar agar, a seaweed. I have found it at Whole 
Food Stores. It is used as a vegan substitute for gelatin which is 
extracted from cow hooves. Garnet




http://www.bulkfoods.com/agar_agar.htm Natural agar agar is unflavoured 
producing a firm, clear jelly and is rich in iodine and trace minerals 
and has mildly laxative properties.


Perhaps the trace elements in agar such as iodine provide nutrients for 
the cultures. I was unable to find a chemical formula for agar, just 
that it was a polysaccharide complex called lentinan. Marshall


Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:26:49 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) From: "Rod 
Stevenson" > Hi Chris, I've not tried making an ointment with CS, but I 
have tried making a gel, with and without aloe vera. Its very easy and 
your CS won't need to be heated to a high temp ( as it does if your 
making a cream or ointment). Here's a recipe. (with thanks to Marshall 
for the ph bit)


90ml CS
2ml Xanthum Gum
10ml Aloe Vera concentrate (I use 1:10)

a few drops of a preservative, such as grapefruit seed extract.
sodium bicarb
Gently heat the CS till it's lukewarm (this will make the gum melt more 
easily) sprinkle the gum and beat vigorously. If you don't want to 
introduce air bubbles into your mixture, keep the whisk on the bottom of 
the pan. Add the AV concentrate and preservative. (I've found that after 
about three weeks the gel develops a mould of some description. This is 
about two weeks longer than using just water, so the CS is doing 
something, just not for very long.) Bring the mixture back to around 7ph 
with sodium bicarb using litmus paper. You can use other thickening 
agents such as cellulose gum, roughly twice as much should do it. Give 
it a try, it's quick and simple to make. Good Luck! Rod





On 2/03/2010 2:32 AM, Lisa wrote:


Hi All,

With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a gel…the 
question I have is how to make one? I know that folks are using CS as 
a gel…and I would love to know how to go about doing so? I’ve got a 
variety of different ingredients around that may work but would love 
to know what folks are using and doing to accomplish theirs?


Thanks in advance.

Lisa




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Re: CS>[List Owner] Archive Etiquette

2010-03-02 Thread Dan Nave
Mike,

One problem is that after performing a search and finding the correct
post, there appears to be no way to refer to that post so that others
can go read it.  The only thing I have found is to repeat the original
search criteria.

Searched for (found) posts should have some sort of identification
that can be re-entered by another person so they can find the specific
post in the archives.

Dan

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:58 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been meaning to post a message on how we use the archives when
> helping each other and new people.
>
> I imagine that most of you that have used them already, notice that
> search results can be all over the map. They're sorted, I think, by
> some measure of relevance. Whereas it might be nice to sort by date,
> subject, or sender as well, that is not an option at present.
>
> There are many ways to tweak and refine the search, but the syntax
> takes a bit of work to learn, and despite your best efforts, it can be
> tough to find exactly what you were looking for.
>
> I want you to keep this experience clearly in mind when you are tempted
> to suggest someone 'look in the archives' to answer a question. Even
> answering the simplest questions can become a nightmare search effort,
> especially when one doesn't know exactly what to look for.
>
> As a minimum, before telling them to make an archive search, please
> attempt it yourself -- and provide the search terms you found most
> useful.
>
> If it turns out to be more complicated than you thought, describe the
> steps you took, along with giving the relevant message links.
>
> Best of all, summarize and describe what you found, to give them a feel
> for the context *and* to add words to the archive that might aid other
> people's searches in the future.
>
> The idea here is, rather than send some poor soul off to assault the
> Great Wall of China with a teaspoon, instead give them a guided head
> start that lets them experience, first hand, bringing up the archive
> URL in their browser; typing search terms into the search box and
> hitting the button; and scrolling through and displaying the results to
> find what they need... Without having to figure it all out from
> scratch.
>
> I can imagine no better way to get them started learning how to help
> themselves!
>
> In the world of Linux geekdom, one of the worst forms of arrogance and
> hostility is expressed by the acronym, RTFM, which stands for Read The
> F***ing Manual. As an answer to a question, it is at best useless when
> you can't yet even find the right manual, let alone the right chapter
> or page. At worst, it's the kind of thoughtless and insulting response
> that drives people away for good.
>
> Please meet people where they're at. As you get better at using the
> archives, remember the learning curve you had to climb.
>
> Add in the ever present concern that someone might be stressed,
> fatigued, brain-fogged, in pain, or otherwise challenged by the health
> issues they're coming to us with, and it will be easier to remember why
> they might need a little more help than they "ought to."
>
> I've been dreaming up a few suggestions to make to the archive folks to
> improve the interface, as well as thinking about how I can supplement
> the search facility via our own web pages. If you have ideas or
> suggestions based on your experience, please contribute them.
>
> Thank you for all the help and sharing that goes on here. You do good
> work, folks.
>
> Be well!
>
> Mike Devour
> siver-list owner
>
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Re: CS>Agave Syrup, is it good for you?

2010-03-02 Thread Dan Nave
How about cane or beet sugar?...

Dan

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Steve G  wrote:

>   Unlike corn syrup, blue Agave syrup does not cause my wife to have three
> days of severe migraines.
>
> So, I'm happy to use it to make home-made chili sauce, ketchup and so on
> since it is near impossible to find those things without corn syrup.
>
> I'm not a raw food person, so whether this stuff is considered 'raw' or
> 'cooked' is of no significance to me.
>
> A friend of mine has suggested a number of times that a raw food diet might
> help my wife's migraines become manageable.  She specifically suggested
> going to the Creative Health Institute in Union City here in Michigan.   I
> found their website at http://www.creativehealthinstitute.com/   and
> forwarded it to my wife for her perusal.   She was thinking that this might
> be worth exploring, but when she started reading about wheat grass enemas,
> that pretty much ended that discussion.
>
> I'm not commenting taking issue with the raw food approach, either
> negatively or positively.  Just that the enema thing was a big hangup for my
> wife.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> 
>
> --- On *Sun, 2/28/10, Day Sutton * wrote:
>
>
> From: Day Sutton 
> Subject: CS>Agave Syrup, is it good for you?
> To: "Silver Post" 
> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 5:09 PM
>
>
> http://www.living-foods.com/articles/agave.html
>
> --
> Day Sutton
> day.sut...@gmail.com 
>
>
>


RE: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-02 Thread Lisa
This is all well and good -- and typically I keep my mouth shut on something
like this, but I had to chime in. Consider those that have challenges,
albeit physical, handicapped or whatnot...little things such as broken
pavement are true hazards. My Mom at 77 years of age is in pretty good
physical condition, yet she has a depth perception (due to a macular pucker
in one eye -- which has since undergone surgery...we're hoping for great
results). She *couldn't* see the height difference in two slabs of pavement
(which are the sidewalks where she is in florida) and she took a tremendous
spill. Granted...that one or two inch difference to you and I is nothing.
But her fall was so bad that two folks ran right over and helped her up. She
wound up with a black and blue eye, swollen spots all over the side of her
head and body...and was quite sore (and almost petrified) to go outside
again. She did blame herself but if you look at the big picture...is it
really her fault because of her limited eye sight? Things need to be
relatively safe for everyone, not those that are lucky enough to be
physically fit to not have any "issues".

Sorry...struck a chord.

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

I'm not arguing with any of that Ode, i.e the suing thing.  I think that
people should be responsible for themselves as far as possible.  I happen to
think that if you trip up a broken pavement, then that's *your* fault, not
the Councils, and you should have looked where you are going!  The same goes
for slipping on a wet floor.  As far as the rest of it goes, I am just going
to agree to disagree.  dee

> 
> 
> Well, I make and use CS because it's something "I" can do.
> When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or
asking the dentist for anti-biotics.
> Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy
tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out the
middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance...except...if
I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than being my own dead or disabled
dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost far more than the payoff.
> 
> It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why
the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7%
> But lookie.  I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives
on one hand, and burrow further into them on the other.
> What do you WANT?
> Freedom or safety.  You can't have it both ways.
> With freedom comes risk.
> With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.
> We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so
we pay the "Pharm" in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover
those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly.
> For every billion the "Pharm" spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5
billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why
approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just a
little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of
staying solvent.
> The cost of that pill is something like  25 cents for the pill and 25
dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm,
disregarding everyone that doesn't.
> 


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Archive Etiquette

2010-03-02 Thread M. G. Devour
Dan writes:
> One problem is that after performing a search and finding the correct
> post, there appears to be no way to refer to that post so that others
> can go read it.  The only thing I have found is to repeat the original
> search criteria.

It's a web page, Dan, and has a unique URL that won't change in the 
future. The only way I know of to send it to the list or somebody else 
is to copy and paste that URL into a mail message:

http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg132370.html

That's the link to your post in the archives.

Now you might have the display of the URL window turned off in your 
browser... In Firefox, that's activated by clicking View > Toolbars > 
and making sure that Addres and Search is checkmarked.

There are also several options in the right-click menu for the page 
that would give you access to the web page address.

I haven't used MS Internet Explorer for years, so you'd have to find 
that for yourself... But it's just a cut and paste to put the web link 
in an e-mail like this.

> Searched for (found) posts should have some sort of identification
> that can be re-entered by another person so they can find the specific
> post in the archives.

The message number just before the .html part is a handy shorthand for 
it, since the rest of the format doesn't change, but for the sake of 
communications, you'd want to send somebody the full link.

Now, if anyone can suggest another mechanism you can use to do the job, 
I'd be interested to hear it.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CS>Introduction

2010-03-02 Thread Ed Nelson
Hi,

My name is Ed and I'm new to this group.
I have been interested in and used as needed ionic/colloidal silver for about 
six years now.
It has been very effective for me especially in early stages of colds and flu. 
This has been
a tough winter so far and I have spent about $180 for 64 oz of Earthborn 
Colloidal Silver. (16, 16, and 32)
In order to save money I have decided to start making my own and just purchased 
a unit from SilverGen.
I haven't recieved it yet but I'll look forward to any constructive words of 
wisdom. 
Best of health to all of you!  Ed


  

CS>distiller

2010-03-02 Thread Leslie
would the person who boy distiller off ebay please contact me giving me the 
link. They may not have any more.

thanks,
Leslie

CS>Silver wire

2010-03-02 Thread Leslie
I have lost the links for buying the wire so would whoever sent would you 
please sent to me again.

Thank you so much,
Leslie

Re: CS>Silver wire

2010-03-02 Thread Craig Chamberlin

Hi Leslie,

From the archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg43152.html

Craig

Leslie wrote:
I have lost the links for buying the wire so would whoever sent would 
you please sent to me again.
 
Thank you so much,

Leslie


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CS>OT

2010-03-02 Thread Shirley Reed
   I read recently that pet vaccines had their thimerosal removed in 1997 
because it was wreaking havoc on people's pets.  I have been unable to confirm 
this.  Does anyone here happen to know about this?  If true, more precise info 
will be very good 'ammunition' in any discussion about vaccinations of any 
kind.  Anybody know exactly when and by what means the mercury was taken out?  
All info appreciated.  pj  Contacting me at my personal addy is ok since this 
is definitely OT.  


  


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Re: CS>Introduction

2010-03-02 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Hi Ed.  Welcome to the list.  You'll never be sorry that you bought your own 
generator -- CS is wonderful, but very expensive to buy.  If you have any 
questions, ask away -- you've joined a very knowledgeable group!!
MA  





From: Ed Nelson ednel...@rocketmail.com
  
My name is Ed and I'm new to this group.
I have been interested in and used as needed ionic/colloidal silver for about 
six years now.
It has been very effective for me especially in early stages of colds and flu. 
This has been
a tough winter so far and I have spent about $180 for 64 oz of Earthborn 
Colloidal Silver. (16, 16, and 32)
In order to save money I have decided to start making my own and just purchased 
a unit from SilverGen.
I haven't recieved it yet but I'll look forward to any constructive words of 
wisdom. 
Best of health to all of you!  Ed


Re: CS>OT

2010-03-02 Thread Pat
Contacting at the personal address rather than addressing the whole list 
deprives us from useful information.  I think it should be done if it's thank 
you's or personal messages, but information about a subject which is put out to 
the list should be answered on the list.  

Thanks, Pat



- Original Message 
From: Shirley Reed 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:19:43 PM
Subject: CS>OT

   I read recently that pet vaccines had their thimerosal removed in 1997 
because it was wreaking havoc on people's pets.  I have been unable to confirm 
this.  Does anyone here happen to know about this?  If true, more precise info 
will be very good 'ammunition' in any discussion about vaccinations of any 
kind.  Anybody know exactly when and by what means the mercury was taken out?  
All info appreciated.  pj  Contacting me at my personal addy is ok since this 
is definitely OT.  


  


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Archive Etiquette

2010-03-02 Thread Dan Nave
Well, that seems to fit the bill, once you understand it...

Thanks,

Dan

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:
> Dan writes:
>> One problem is that after performing a search and finding the correct
>> post, there appears to be no way to refer to that post so that others
>> can go read it.  The only thing I have found is to repeat the original
>> search criteria.
>
> It's a web page, Dan, and has a unique URL that won't change in the
> future. The only way I know of to send it to the list or somebody else
> is to copy and paste that URL into a mail message:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg132370.html
>
> That's the link to your post in the archives.
>
> Now you might have the display of the URL window turned off in your
> browser... In Firefox, that's activated by clicking View > Toolbars >
> and making sure that Addres and Search is checkmarked.
>
> There are also several options in the right-click menu for the page
> that would give you access to the web page address.
>
> I haven't used MS Internet Explorer for years, so you'd have to find
> that for yourself... But it's just a cut and paste to put the web link
> in an e-mail like this.
>
>> Searched for (found) posts should have some sort of identification
>> that can be re-entered by another person so they can find the specific
>> post in the archives.
>
> The message number just before the .html part is a handy shorthand for
> it, since the rest of the format doesn't change, but for the sake of
> communications, you'd want to send somebody the full link.
>
> Now, if anyone can suggest another mechanism you can use to do the job,
> I'd be interested to hear it.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
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Re: CS>OT

2010-03-02 Thread Cathy39etc
If you would forward any info you received I would appreciate  it as I am 
very interested in this.
Cathy
 
 
In a message dated 3/2/2010 7:19:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
pj20...@yahoo.com writes:

I read recently that pet vaccines had their thimerosal  removed in 1997 
because it was wreaking havoc on people's pets.  I have  been unable to confirm 
this.  Does anyone here happen to know about  this?  If true, more precise 
info will be very good 'ammunition' in any  discussion about vaccinations of 
any kind.  Anybody know exactly when and  by what means the mercury was 
taken out?  All info appreciated.   pj  Contacting me at my personal addy is ok 
since this is definitely  OT.  





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