Re: CSH202 - again

[Christina Mattson]

Hi Dee, somewhere in the literature i collected it say's not to mix H2O2 with 
chlorine so if your tap water has chlorine in it then it's probably not a good 
idea. there's just one part on one of my sheets that say's to use Distilled 
water when mixing and that was for spraying seedlings. I drank it for a 
while and mixed it with distitlled water but for my plants i mix it with my 
well water.  I don't drink my well water either since it was contaminated with 
choliform bacteria. We buy bottled water for regular drinking.
Tina


On 17 Apr 2010 at 12:46, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about :
Subject : CSH202 - again

 Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water
 when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather do
 this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.  I
 noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
 
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CSFYI about drugstore H2O2

[Christina Mattson]

Some of the literature i have says the 3.5% drugstore type can have an 
assortment of stabilizers including: Acetanilide, Phenol, Sodium Stanate and 
tertrasodium Phospahte.
The MSDS for Phenacetin says: Danger! suspect cancer hazard. May cause dancer. 
Risk of cancer depends on level and duration of exposure. harmful if swallowd 
or inhaled. May cause kidney, liver and blood disorders. may cause 
methemoglobinemia.
 
But note that the MSDS for H2O2 says Phenacetin is not a hazard. Why? Because 
it is present in an extremely small amount--less than 0.05 percent. Why is it 
added? I don't know, Is it dangerous? I don't know that either but i'm not 
willing to take the risk if i'm going to drink it on a regular basis for any 
period of time. 
 
Tina


  

Re: CSH202 - again

[Ode Coyote]

  Your mouth dried out because you slept with it open all night and blew 
wind across everything...leaving the minerals behind.
The bodies membranes work like intelligent reverse osmosis filters to 
maintain balances. I suppose they can be overloaded, but underloaded is 
questionable.
 I seriously doubt you'll lose anything by drinking pure water, nor do you 
have any control over how much of *what* minerals are in impure water.
..and try getting pure Broccoli or Spinach or deer burger..'tain't no such 
a thang.
although, it has been rumored that eating too much eggplant WILL make 
you cluck in your sleep all night and grow feathers.


Oh yea..diluting H2O2 with tap water will probably make the stuff go flat 
faster, like Mentos and soda pop.  Surface nucleation of bubbles...not to 
mention oxidizing any organic content.


ode




At 02:36 PM 4/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
WOW. I was wondering as at night my mouth gets dry like I am dehydrated. 
Thanks for responding. Leslie

- Original Message - From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


I have read that distilled water not only does not provide the body with 
minerals but actually acts as a magnet and draws them out of the body.  I 
read this a long time ago and it seemed plausible.

PT


- Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra 
minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine.

- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again



Dee,
 I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly 
everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that 
H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to 
be undesireable for those uses.

sol

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled 
water when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would 
rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will 
do that.  I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee





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Re: CSH202 - again

[Ode Coyote]

  Distilled is like...rain water.
I'd think that most of your minerals come from food anyhow...but sure, take 
minerals in either case if you think you need them.


ode


At 02:12 PM 4/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra 
minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine.

- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again



Dee,
 I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly 
everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 
for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be 
undesireable for those uses.

sol

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water 
when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather do 
this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.  I 
noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee





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Re: CSH202 - again

[Ode Coyote]

  But if it is Alkaline, won't that tend to dissolve Aluminum into 
it?...the 3rd most common element in the earths crust.
Water running around in the mish mash of environmental elements goes 
neutral.  What it picks up along the way to neutralize it depends on the 
mish mash.


Ode


At 05:22 PM 4/17/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Chuck,

  True.  However adding minerals to the water makes it less acidic 
and more alkaline.


  Bob
- Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


The theory is a bit controversial.

Consider where you get most of your bioavailable minerals
from...(hint...FOOD).
Water is a minor source.

Chuck
If you don't cook you get a raw deal every meal!



On 4/17/2010 3:29:49 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:

I have read that distilled water not only does not provide the body with
minerals but actually acts as a magnet and draws them out of the body.  I

read this a long time ago and it seemed plausible.
PT


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From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine.



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Re: CSH202 - again

[Richard Goodwin]

I've heard that too, but I don't believe it.  Depending on where you are, the 
water you get can contain all kinds of different minerals, including 
chlorine, fluoride, and other not-so-desirable things.  If your health depended 
on what the local town delivers in your drinking water, then we'd all be in 
trouble.

Personally I drink either reverse osmosis or distilled water, or bottled water 
on occasion.  But I also take vitamin and mineral supplements, so I know what 
I'm getting, and what I'm not getting.  

Dick




- Original Message 
From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 3:36:16 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again

WOW. I was wondering as at night my mouth gets dry like I am dehydrated. Thanks 
for responding. Leslie
- Original Message - From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


 I have read that distilled water not only does not provide the body with 
 minerals but actually acts as a magnet and draws them out of the body.  I 
 read this a long time ago and it seemed plausible.
 PT
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
 I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra 
 minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine.
 - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
 Dee,
  I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly 
 everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
 But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 
 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be 
 undesireable for those uses.
 sol
 
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water 
 when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather do 
 this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.  I 
 noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Richard Goodwin]

CL?

I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any improvement.

Dick





From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
Subject: CSSilver for astmatics


I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma meds 
by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting 
tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any 
one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the 
results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron

Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Hanneke]

Whenever needed for my asthma, and that is very rarely these days, I use
my nebulizer with about CS 10 ppm and I add about 5-8 drops of
DMSO. With my earlier nebulizer I would do that for about 20 minutes.
With the ultra sonic it is only a few minutes. 
However, I can highly recommend looking into the breathing method of
Buteyko. . This has helped me off all meds way back. It's an easy
method to learn, basically re-learning to breathe properly. Its
application is used for many other conditions involving
breathing. A friend of mine was able to do away with the PapC
machine (sp?) to which he had to hook himself up every night to be able
to sleep through the night. 

Please google for places in USA. It has been introduced in the USA.
It originates in Russia, is even part of the official health system in
Russia for asthma patients.
Hanneke

At 08:29 PM 18/04/2010, you wrote:
CL?
I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big
pharma.
I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any
improvement.
Dick

From: Ronald Lowry
rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
Subject: CSSilver for astmatics

I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would
like to wean himself off my asthma meds by substituting CL via a
nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting tired of
supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any one
tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the
results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron



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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Kathy Tankersley]

 I'm watching to see if there is anyone out there with a solution, I, too am 
searching around for solution for asthma, right now I am doing acupucture, I've 
only had a couple treatments so far.  Dr. Richard Becker has a health book and 
TV program, where he recommends vitamins for asthma (alot of B vitamins).  I 
started this regiment2-3 years ago. Doug Kaughman has a 
TV program and book, his theory is alot of asthma is fungus related, so diet is 
important.  I am on Avair and a rescue inhaler.  I am like you I would love to 
get off this medication.  Advair is almost $300.00 a month and the resuce 
inhaler is $230.00 a month.  I also have my nebulizer when necessary.  Recently 
I started with Beta Glugan to see if that will help.  Someone on the list 
recommended 'Buteyko Breathing Exercises,  I am going to get the CD on that, 
but I'm leary of 'shalow breathing'.   I juice fresh juices and take a gob of 
vitamins daily and have for years.  I still fight the awful desease every 
winter, in the hospital, full of steroids, anti-botics till I can't think or 
function.  I am praying for you and all asthmatics, as I know what  you are 
going through.Good luck and keep us posted as to the treatment you are 
doing, and if it is doing any good.Thanks for listening...Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  CL?

  I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

  I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any improvement.

  Dick




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  From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
  Subject: CSSilver for astmatics


  I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma meds 
by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting 
tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any 
one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the 
results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
  Thanks
  ron

Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Kathy Tankersley]

Dick, how much CS do you inhale at a time and how many times a day?   Thanks, 
Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  CL?

  I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

  I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any improvement.

  Dick




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  From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
  Subject: CSSilver for astmatics


  I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma meds 
by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting 
tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any 
one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the 
results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
  Thanks
  ron

Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don't know really sol, just cleaning work tops down, mouth wash perhaps, and 
maybe if my CS goes yellow again!  I hope this doesn't happen as I have soaked 
the rods in H202 3% and then rinsed in hot water and then distilled water.  dee


On 17 Apr 2010, at 19:22, sol wrote:

 Dee,
 I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly 
 everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
 But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 
 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be 
 undesireable for those uses.
 sol
 
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when 
 making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but 
 if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.  I noticed on the 
 H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
 
  
 
 


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Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I can't drink just distilled water, it makes me thirsty!  Also I can't stand 
the taste - it even tastes my CS.  Having said this--and I know we all have 
before - at length - I realise that this is probably just me and my taste-buds. 
 My friend drank my distilled water and loved it--but she doesn't drink tea or 
coffee so her taste buds are probably not tainted lol  dee

On 17 Apr 2010, at 22:58, sol wrote:

 I drink only distilled water and have done for several years now. I've not 
 noticed any problems with mineral levels in my annual blood work. Everyone 
 has to make their own decision on this issue, but after extensive online 
 research, I personally decided (for myself ) that it is better to drink clean 
 water, without pesticides, cysts and spores, lead, fluoride, chlorine, and so 
 forth. There is  naturally occurring fluoride in the water here which I do 
 not want. Distillation is one of the very few ways of removing fluoride from 
 water, regular filtering does not remove fluoride, that is faucet filters, 
 shower filters, Brita type filters, none of those remove fluoride.
 There are multiple products on the market which can be added to distilled 
 water to add minerals back in, but I do not use any of them myself.
 If your mouth is dry overnight, you probably are getting dehydrated, but I 
 don't believe that is because of drinking DW. I get dry mouth overnight but 
 have done for umpty ump years, decades before I ever tasted a drop of DW. My 
 husband has dry mouth and he doesn't drink any DW.
 sol
 


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Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Tom, I think I have now decided to do this.  I just was a bit worried 
about producing something which might be combustible!  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 06:24, poast wrote:

 Hello Dee,
 
 I would recommend using distilled water.  That way you know what you have.
 Sometimes tap water can contain things that can reduce the strength of your
 solution.  Distilled water is usually free from impurities.
 
 Tom
 
 


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Re: CSYO YO EIS

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This is the stuff pioneers are made of Tom!  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 06:22, poast wrote:

 Hello Dee,
 
 I would like to know what I ended up with too.
 
 The problem is that I only seem to be able to make clear EIS.  Clear can be
 boring at times, so I thought I would spice things up a little... :)
 
 Actually I was just interested to see if the process was reversible.  That
 part of the test was successful.  The problem with testing is that while you
 do answer some questions, you often are left with may unanswered ones.
 
 Tom
 
 
 


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Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This is the quandary Tony--our drinking water reads about 255 on the TDS meter, 
and I have no idea what makes that reading!  I know chlorine is one thing but I 
don't think they have put any fluoride in our particular water yet.  Lord knows 
what else is in it though!  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 06:51, Tony Moody wrote:

 Dee, 
 
 I would use good quality drinking water, but I'm not much of a purist. 
 But someone recently recommended only using distilled water for diluting.
 
 On the fence,
 Tony
 
 
 
 


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Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Tina, I think it has to be DW now as I know our tap water has chlorine 
in it--amongst many other things I fear!  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 08:38, Christina Mattson wrote:

 Hi Dee, somewhere in the literature i collected it say's not to mix H2O2 with 
 chlorine so if your tap water has chlorine in it then it's probably not a 
 good idea. there's just one part on one of my sheets that say's to use 
 Distilled water when mixing and that was for spraying seedlings. I drank it 
 for a while and mixed it with distitlled water but for my plants i mix it 
 with my well water.  I don't drink my well water either since it was 
 contaminated with choliform bacteria. We buy bottled water for regular 
 drinking.
 Tina
 On 17 Apr 2010 at 12:46, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about :
 Subject : CSH202 - again
 
 


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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Ronald Lowry]

I read that shallow breathing is good for pulling you out of an asthma
attack.and have tried itand it worked well for me. The natural
response to an attack is to try and breathe deepnext time you get
distressed.not a full blown asthma attack.but a little
distressed.try shallow quick breathing.it has worked well for me.
   Diet and exercise also work well for me. I don't eat processed, packaged
foods.and eat organic when ever possible. While under a doc's
supervision I started an exercise program of mainly resistance
training...but with little or no rest 'tween sets to push the cardio. I also
started bike riding.built up to two 60 mile rides per week. Those two
things made a huge improvement in my asthma, as I have not been hospitalized
since I began.20 years ago.
   I have weaned myself off all my meds with the exception of
Serrivent..which Glaxo Smith Kline just added a warning ...as it can
cause an attack and death...nice..a medicine for asthma that can
trigger an attack and cause death. But they have enough money and pull that
they are not having to do a recall.
   Hence my questions about CS. I don't trust big pharma and am trying to
free myself from them.
   Thank you all for the input
ron

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.netwrote:

   I'm watching to see if there is anyone out there with a solution, I, too
 am searching around for solution for asthma, right now I am doing
 acupucture, I've only had a couple treatments so far.  Dr. Richard Becker
 has a health book and TV program, where he recommends vitamins for asthma
 (alot of B vitamins).  I started this regiment2-3 years ago. Doug Kaughman
 has a
 TV program and book, his theory is alot of asthma is fungus related,
 so diet is important.  I am on Avair and a rescue inhaler.  I am like you I
 would love to get off this medication.  Advair is almost $300.00 a month and
 the resuce inhaler is $230.00 a month.  I also have my nebulizer when
 necessary.  Recently I started with Beta Glugan to see if that will help.
 Someone on the list recommended 'Buteyko Breathing Exercises,  I am going to
 get the CD on that, but I'm leary of 'shalow breathing'.   I juice fresh
 juices and take a gob of vitamins daily and have for years.  I still fight
 the awful desease every winter, in the hospital, full of steroids,
 anti-botics till I can't think or function.  I am praying for you and all
 asthmatics, as I know what  you are going through.Good luck and keep us
 posted as to the treatment you are doing, and if it is doing any
 good.Thanks for listening...Kathy

  - Original Message -
 *From:* Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
   *Sent:* Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
 *Subject:* Re: CSSilver for astmatics

  CL?

 I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

 I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any
 improvement.

 Dick

  --
 *From:* Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
 *Subject:* CSSilver for astmatics

 I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma
 meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am
 getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea
 pigs. Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and
 what were the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your
 prescriptions?
 Thanks
 ron

Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Concentrace ionic minerals are supposed to be good, but I personally think you 
would get most minerals from food.  After all, we would naturally drink 
rainwater if we didn't live near a stream--or we didn't have a water recycling 
system.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 00:42, Leslie wrote:

 OK. What should I do to add some minerals. You mentioned some filter and 
 adding Clay? Would appreciate some suggestions and simple directions for me 
 and reasonable px. Thanks.
 - Original Message - From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 


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Re: CSH202 - again

[Bob Banever]

Dorothy,

   70 - 100 years ago we did get our minerals from food.  The problem 
is farmland has been overfarmed and farmed incorrectly which leached and 
destroyed much of the mineral content of the topsoil.  As a result our food 
is devoid of many trace minerals.  If you have a garden or farm, a 
supplement like Azomite would be great to add to the soil as fertilizer. 
Your veggies would be brimming with minerals formed 40 million years ago 
when these substances were in abundance.  Since factory farms don't use 
organic methods you will get only a few select minerals that might help grow 
the plants but do little for your varied needs.


Bob
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


Concentrace ionic minerals are supposed to be good, but I personally think 
you would get most minerals from food.  After all, we would naturally drink 
rainwater if we didn't live near a stream--or we didn't have a water 
recycling system.  dee


On 18 Apr 2010, at 00:42, Leslie wrote:

OK. What should I do to add some minerals. You mentioned some filter and 
adding Clay? Would appreciate some suggestions and simple directions for 
me and reasonable px. Thanks.

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again





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Re: CSH202 - again

[Bob Banever]

Not if the water has no contact with aluminum.  The minerals I'm talking 
about are added as a last stage in the filtration process, not coming from 
the ground.


Bob
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again





  But if it is Alkaline, won't that tend to dissolve Aluminum into 
it?...the 3rd most common element in the earths crust.
Water running around in the mish mash of environmental elements goes 
neutral.  What it picks up along the way to neutralize it depends on the 
mish mash.


Ode


At 05:22 PM 4/17/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Chuck,

  True.  However adding minerals to the water makes it less acidic 
and more alkaline.


  Bob
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Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


The theory is a bit controversial.

Consider where you get most of your bioavailable minerals
from...(hint...FOOD).
Water is a minor source.

Chuck
If you don't cook you get a raw deal every meal!



On 4/17/2010 3:29:49 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:

I have read that distilled water not only does not provide the body with
minerals but actually acts as a magnet and draws them out of the body.  I

read this a long time ago and it seemed plausible.
PT


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From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like 
Chlorine.



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Re: CSH202 - again

[sol]

Bob Banever wrote:

sol,

  You can remove fluoride from your drinking water with a good (at 
least 6 stage) reverse osmosis filtration system.  I have a 
remineralizing filter as the last stage in mine to add trace minerals 
lost in the filtration.  These are usually volcanic or clay minerals 
that do not contain fluoride.  Good luck
i know. to shorten my reply a bit, i left out that reverse osmosis 
removes fluoride. too expensive

sol


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Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But I would have thought that the farmers put it back in the soil in 
supplemental form or else we would all be dead!  I realize it is not ideal 
though because we wouldn't have so much disease in the world, but there are 
other factors too.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 14:51, Bob Banever wrote:

 Dorothy,
 
   70 - 100 years ago we did get our minerals from food.  The problem is 
 farmland has been overfarmed and farmed incorrectly which leached and 
 destroyed much of the mineral content of the topsoil.  As a result our food 
 is devoid of many trace minerals.  If you have a garden or farm, a supplement 
 like Azomite would be great to add to the soil as fertilizer. Your veggies 
 would be brimming with minerals formed 40 million years ago when these 
 substances were in abundance.  Since factory farms don't use organic methods 
 you will get only a few select minerals that might help grow the plants but 
 do little for your varied needs.
 
 Bob


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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Kathy Tankersley]

I'm not sure where to look for DMSO at, the internet has oddles of DMSO, where 
do you get yours?  And I wonder if all the liquid is okay for adding to CS and 
inhaling?..Thanks, Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hanneke 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:09 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  Whenever needed for my asthma, and that is very rarely these days, I use my 
nebulizer  with about CS 10 ppm and I add about 5-8 drops of DMSO. With my 
earlier nebulizer I would do that for about 20 minutes. With the ultra sonic it 
is only a few minutes. 

  However, I can highly recommend looking into the breathing method of Buteyko. 
. This has helped me off all meds  way back. It's an easy method to learn,  
basically re-learning to breathe properly. Its application is used for many 
other  conditions involving breathing.  A friend of mine was able to do away 
with the PapC machine (sp?) to which he had to hook himself up every night to 
be able to sleep through the night.  


  Please google for  places in USA. It has been introduced in the USA. It 
originates in Russia, is even part of the official health system in Russia for 
asthma patients.

  Hanneke


  At 08:29 PM 18/04/2010, you wrote:

CL?

I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any 
improvement.

Dick


From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
Subject: CSSilver for astmatics

I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma 
meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am 
getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. 
Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were 
the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron
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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[needling around]

You might want to Google Butyeko Breathing.  I have a friend who used this to 
cure herself of asthma and allergies and she was able to learn it on her own.  
It is my understanding that they believe asthma has to do with a gas imbalance 
in the body and the shallow breathing helps correct that.  My friend is also 
interested in meditation and told me when she started doing some of the deep 
breathing exercises the asthma returned.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ronald Lowry 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:51 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  I read that shallow breathing is good for pulling you out of an asthma 
attack.and have tried itand it worked well for me. The natural response 
to an attack is to try and breathe deepnext time you get distressed.not 
a full blown asthma attack.but a little distressed.try shallow quick 
breathing.it has worked well for me. 
 Diet and exercise also work well for me. I don't eat processed, packaged 
foods.and eat organic when ever possible. While under a doc's supervision I 
started an exercise program of mainly resistance training...but with little or 
no rest 'tween sets to push the cardio. I also started bike riding.built up 
to two 60 mile rides per week. Those two things made a huge improvement in my 
asthma, as I have not been hospitalized since I began.20 years ago.
 I have weaned myself off all my meds with the exception of 
Serrivent..which Glaxo Smith Kline just added a warning ...as it can cause 
an attack and death...nice..a medicine for asthma that can trigger an 
attack and cause death. But they have enough money and pull that they are not 
having to do a recall. 
 Hence my questions about CS. I don't trust big pharma and am trying to 
free myself from them.
 Thank you all for the input
  ron 


  On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:

 I'm watching to see if there is anyone out there with a solution, I, too 
am searching around for solution for asthma, right now I am doing acupucture, 
I've only had a couple treatments so far.  Dr. Richard Becker has a health book 
and TV program, where he recommends vitamins for asthma (alot of B vitamins).  
I started this regiment2-3 years ago. Doug Kaughman has a 
TV program and book, his theory is alot of asthma is fungus related, so 
diet is important.  I am on Avair and a rescue inhaler.  I am like you I would 
love to get off this medication.  Advair is almost $300.00 a month and the 
resuce inhaler is $230.00 a month.  I also have my nebulizer when necessary.  
Recently I started with Beta Glugan to see if that will help.  Someone on the 
list recommended 'Buteyko Breathing Exercises,  I am going to get the CD on 
that, but I'm leary of 'shalow breathing'.   I juice fresh juices and take a 
gob of vitamins daily and have for years.  I still fight the awful desease 
every winter, in the hospital, full of steroids, anti-botics till I can't think 
or function.  I am praying for you and all asthmatics, as I know what  you are 
going through.Good luck and keep us posted as to the treatment you are 
doing, and if it is doing any good.Thanks for listening...Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  CL?

  I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

  I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any 
improvement.

  Dick




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  From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
  Subject: CSSilver for astmatics


  I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma 
meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am 
getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. 
Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were 
the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
  Thanks
  ron

Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[mborgert]

Kathy,
I am not sure but steroids and antibiotics are made from fungus
Mary
-- Original message from "Kathy Tankersley" tanke...@iland.net: -- 



I'm watching to see if there is anyone out there with a solution, I, too am searching around for solution for asthma, right now I am doing acupucture, I've only had a couple treatments so far. Dr. Richard Becker has a health book and TV program, where he recommends vitamins for asthma (alot of B vitamins). I started this regiment2-3 years ago. Doug Kaughman has a TV program and book, his theory is alot of asthma is fungus related, sodiet is important. I am on Avair and a rescue inhaler. I am like you I would love to get off this medication. Advair is almost $300.00 a month and the resuce inhaler is $230.00 a month. I also have my nebulizer when necessary. Recently I started with Beta Glugan to see if that will help. Someone on the list recommended 'Buteyko Breathing Exercises, I am going to get the CD on that, but I'm leary of 'shalow breathing'. I juice fresh juices and take a gob of vitamins daily and have for years. I still fight the awful desease every winter, in the hospital, full of steroids, anti-botics till I can't think or function. I am praying for you and all asthmatics, as I knowwhat you are going through.Good luck and keep us posted as to the treatment you are doing, and if it is doing any good.Thanks for listening...Kathy

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


CL?I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any improvement.Dick



From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PMSubject: CSSilver for astmatics
I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron

Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Del]

This is the DMSO I buy and use, I think it is terrific stuff, and as safe as 
any DMSO on the planet.
Cured my tennis elbow and sprained back.
Comes only in glass bottles (I really like that).
Because it contains honey, it has very few of the DMSO undesirable side effects.
It is 70% DMSO, 30% distilled water, plus the honey.
http://dmso.bz/pages/1/index.htm

You should read his information page, it is interesting and makes good 
recommendations:
http://dmso.bz/pages/2/index.htm

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  I'm not sure where to look for DMSO at, the internet has oddles of DMSO, 
where do you get yours?  And I wonder if all the liquid is okay for adding to 
CS and inhaling?..Thanks, Kathy
Devour 

phenacetin, was Re: CSFYI about drugstore H2O2

[sol]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenacetin
i dom't see whar phenacetin has to do with those stabilizers, so maybe 
one of the chemists here can explain it to me

sol
  
Christina Mattson wrote:
Some of the literature i have says the 3.5% drugstore type can have an 
assortment of stabilizers including: Acetanilide, Phenol, Sodium 
Stanate and tertrasodium Phospahte.
The MSDS for Phenacetin says: Danger! suspect cancer hazard. May cause 
dancer. Risk of cancer depends on level and duration of exposure. 
harmful if swallowd or inhaled. May cause kidney, liver and blood 
disorders. may cause methemoglobinemia.
 
But note that the MSDS for H2O2 says Phenacetin is not a hazard. Why? 
Because it is present in an extremely small amount--less than 0.05 
percent. Why is it added? I don't know, Is it dangerous? I don't know 
that either but i'm not willing to take the risk if i'm going to drink 
it on a regular basis for any period of time.
 
Tina






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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

Del wrote:
Because it contains honey, it has very few of the DMSO undesirable 
side effects.

It is 70% DMSO, 30% distilled water, plus the honey.
http://dmso.bz/pages/1/index.htm
 
Del - DMSO if great.  I use it myself topically, and have occasionally 
used it along with CS in my
nebulizer - although it seems to set off a kidney discomfort when I use 
it that way - not from topical use.  Not sure why - perhaps it was 
loosening the kidney stones that have begun to be released.  But because 
there was direct correlation between kidney pain and nebulizing with the 
DMSO (as opposed to just the CS, which does not cause the discomfort), I 
am hesitatant to try it again.  It did help the asthma, better than the 
CS alone.  I may give it another try one of these days.   BUT I would 
never use a DMSO with honey in nebulizer.Getting honey into your 
lungs sounds like disaster!   Sara



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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Richard Goodwin]

I've tried breathing in CS for maybe 30 seconds from a sprayer twice a day.  I 
think if there were an infection involved, that would have killed it, but there 
is not necessarily an infection in the lungs.  My head is always stuffed up 
too, and I have become suspicious of fungus, especially perhaps from mold, 
maybe even black mold as a possible cause.  Spraying my nose with CS seems to 
help clear it up for a while, and then my asthma gets a little better too.  
Maybe I should concentrate on the fungus/nose thing more...

Dick





From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:25:19 AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics

 
Dick, how much CS do you inhale at a time and how 
many times a day?   Thanks, Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 
AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for 
  astmatics


CL?

I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off 
  big pharma.

I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not 
  noticed any improvement.

Dick





 From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 
  PM
Subject: CSSilver for 
  astmatics


I am a 60 yo male asthmatic 
  who would like to wean himself off my asthma meds by substituting CL via a 
  nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting tired of supporting 
 big 
  pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any one tried CL as a cure 
  for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the results? Were you able 
 to 
  remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron

Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Richard Goodwin]

Speaking of fungus/nose, or fungus/anything connections, I have seen a few 
queries of this list about whether CS is effective at killing fungus, but have 
not really seen any responses yet.

Anybody have any ideas of experience with CS coping with fungus, especially 
mold/mildew?

Dick





From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:25:19 AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics

 
Dick, how much CS do you inhale at a time and how 
many times a day?   Thanks, Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 
AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for 
  astmatics


CL?

I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off 
  big pharma.

I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not 
  noticed any improvement.

Dick





 From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 
  PM
Subject: CSSilver for 
  astmatics


I am a 60 yo male asthmatic 
  who would like to wean himself off my asthma meds by substituting CL via a 
  nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am getting tired of supporting 
 big 
  pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. Has any one tried CL as a cure 
  for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were the results? Were you able 
 to 
  remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron

Re: CSH202 - again

[Richard Goodwin]

Distilled water should have no taste or odor at all.  Just pure water.

On the other hand, if it isn't made right, or isn't really distilled water, or 
if there are certain contaminants that might vaporize along with the water and 
then condense back into the output water, then there really could be something 
in there.

I have heard that it tastes flat -- meaning flavorless -- but that's exactly 
what it should taste like.  If water tastes good, it might have something in it 
that is not good for you, like the benzine infected bottled water from Europe a 
few years back -- had a nice sweet taste to it.

Dick



- Original Message 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:38:24 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again

I can't drink just distilled water, it makes me thirsty!  Also I can't stand 
the taste - it even tastes my CS.  Having said this--and I know we all have 
before - at length - I realise that this is probably just me and my taste-buds. 
 My friend drank my distilled water and loved it--but she doesn't drink tea or 
coffee so her taste buds are probably not tainted lol  dee

On 17 Apr 2010, at 22:58, sol wrote:

 I drink only distilled water and have done for several years now. I've not 
 noticed any problems with mineral levels in my annual blood work. Everyone 
 has to make their own decision on this issue, but after extensive online 
 research, I personally decided (for myself ) that it is better to drink clean 
 water, without pesticides, cysts and spores, lead, fluoride, chlorine, and so 
 forth. There is  naturally occurring fluoride in the water here which I do 
 not want. Distillation is one of the very few ways of removing fluoride from 
 water, regular filtering does not remove fluoride, that is faucet filters, 
 shower filters, Brita type filters, none of those remove fluoride.
 There are multiple products on the market which can be added to distilled 
 water to add minerals back in, but I do not use any of them myself.
 If your mouth is dry overnight, you probably are getting dehydrated, but I 
 don't believe that is because of drinking DW. I get dry mouth overnight but 
 have done for umpty ump years, decades before I ever tasted a drop of DW. My 
 husband has dry mouth and he doesn't drink any DW.
 sol
 


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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[needling around]

I suddenly developed a bad smell in the kitchen and looking under the sink 
noticed a small patch of mildew.  Having just recently read somewhere that CS 
is good for fungus I took my nasal sprayer and pointed it at the mildew and 
pumped it a few times.  No more smell so I assume no more fungus.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:03 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  Speaking of fungus/nose, or fungus/anything connections, I have seen a few 
queries of this list about whether CS is effective at killing fungus, but have 
not really seen any responses yet.

  Anybody have any ideas of experience with CS coping with fungus, especially 
mold/mildew?

  Dick




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  From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:25:19 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  Dick, how much CS do you inhale at a time and how many times a day?   Thanks, 
Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


CL?

I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any 
improvement.

Dick





From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
Subject: CSSilver for astmatics


I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma 
meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am 
getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. 
Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were 
the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron

CSmold and H202

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have a patch of black mold behind my sink taps and i put some of my diluted 
H202 solution on it.  It started to fizz so I quickly wiped it off.  Would 
anyone know what this is?  I know HP interacts with living things somehow but 
haven't a clue otherwise.  dee

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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I think it can be effective with *some* fungii but don't know which.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:03, Richard Goodwin wrote:

 Speaking of fungus/nose, or fungus/anything connections, I have seen a few 
 queries of this list about whether CS is effective at killing fungus, but 
 have not really seen any responses yet.
 
 Anybody have any ideas of experience with CS coping with fungus, especially 
 mold/mildew?
 
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Re: CSmold and H202

[Tel Tofflemire]

Sounds like it was killing it?
  I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each time 
before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only applied one 
time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:19:55 AM
Subject: CSmold and H202

I have a patch of black mold behind my sink taps and i put some of my diluted 
H202 solution on it.  It started to fizz so I quickly wiped it off.  Would 
anyone know what this is?  I know HP interacts with living things somehow but 
haven't a clue otherwise.  dee

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Re: CSH202 - again

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

How do you *not* make it right?  I put mine in a clean distiller and out comes 
distilled water - reading 000 on the TDS meter.  It makes clear CS every time, 
so I can't see that it isn't correct.  It still has a horrible taste to me 
though.  As I said before, and many people say this - it is all in the 
individual taste buds.  dee PS the double distilled water I used to buy had the 
same taste.

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:07, Richard Goodwin wrote:

 Distilled water should have no taste or odor at all.  Just pure water.
 
 On the other hand, if it isn't made right, or isn't really distilled water, 
 or if there are certain contaminants that might vaporize along with the water 
 and then condense back into the output water, then there really could be 
 something in there.
 
 I have heard that it tastes flat -- meaning flavorless -- but that's exactly 
 what it should taste like.  If water tastes good, it might have something in 
 it that is not good for you, like the benzine infected bottled water from 
 Europe a few years back -- had a nice sweet taste to it.
 
 Dick
 
 
 


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Re: CSmold and H202

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Oh blast!  I should have left it there, shouldn't I?  Do you know what the 
fizzing is then?  Something to do with air I suppose but didn't know if mold 
had any breathing apparatus to speak of.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:25, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

 Sounds like it was killing it?
   I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each time 
 before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only applied one 
 time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.
  
 Tel Tofflemire
 Dewey, AZ.
 
 


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Re: CSmold and H202

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This is a handy piece of info Tel.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:25, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

 Sounds like it was killing it?
   I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each time 
 before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only applied one 
 time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.
  
 Tel Tofflemire
 Dewey, AZ.
 
 


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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[Del]

Well, maybe you are correct, I don't know.
I did nebulize with it several times (9 parts CS to one part 70% DMSO) with 
no ill effects.

Never thought about the honey in the lungs objection.
I guess, at that level of dilution, it is not an issue.

Del
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From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics



Del wrote:
Because it contains honey, it has very few of the DMSO undesirable side 
effects.

It is 70% DMSO, 30% distilled water, plus the honey.
http://dmso.bz/pages/1/index.htm

Del - DMSO if great.  I use it myself topically, and have occasionally 
used it along with CS in my
nebulizer - although it seems to set off a kidney discomfort when I use it 
that way - not from topical use.  Not sure why - perhaps it was loosening 
the kidney stones that have begun to be released.  But because there was 
direct correlation between kidney pain and nebulizing with the DMSO (as 
opposed to just the CS, which does not cause the discomfort), I am 
hesitatant to try it again.  It did help the asthma, better than the CS 
alone.  I may give it another try one of these days.   BUT I would never 
use a DMSO with honey in nebulizer.Getting honey into your lungs 
sounds like disaster!   Sara



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Re: CSH202 - again

[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I can't drink just distilled water, it makes me thirsty!  Also I can't stand the 
taste - it even tastes my CS.  Having said this--and I know we all have before - at 
length - I realise that this is probably just me and my taste-buds.  My friend drank 
my distilled water and loved it--but she doesn't drink tea or coffee so her taste 
buds are probably not tainted lol  dee
  
I like the taste of distilled water, and have done from my first swallow 
of it.
Adding other minerals to DW, even a bit of salt just makes it taste 
bad.LOL. Like those bottled waters with minerals added for 
taste taste nasty to me...however, when i feel like i need 
salt, i can drink 4 oz of dw with half a tsp of salt added and it tastes 
good to me.

different tastes for different people,
life is too short to eat or drink anything that doesn't taste good
sol



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Re: CSmold and H202

[needling around]

It is my understanding that when it starts to fizz it is killing 
microbes/fungi, etc.

PT


- Original Message - 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: CSmold and H202


I have a patch of black mold behind my sink taps and i put some of my 
diluted H202 solution on it.  It started to fizz so I quickly wiped it off. 
Would anyone know what this is?  I know HP interacts with living things 
somehow but haven't a clue otherwise.  dee


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Re: CSmold and H202 Sizzle noise ?

[Tel Tofflemire]

The hissing noise was due to a chemical reaction between the H202  the mold, ( 
it shouldn't hurt you ) if you have a door or window open and maybe a fan on to 
dilute the reaction in chemistry your getting. 
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:28:27 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202

Oh blast!  I should have left it there, shouldn't I?  Do you know what the 
fizzing is then?  Something to do with air I suppose but didn't know if mold 
had any breathing apparatus to speak of.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:25, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

 Sounds like it was killing it?
   I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each time 
 before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only applied one 
 time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.
  
 Tel Tofflemire
 Dewey, AZ.
 
 


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Re: CSmold and H202

[Tel Tofflemire]

Thats Right !
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:34:33 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202

It is my understanding that when it starts to fizz it is killing 
microbes/fungi, etc.
PT


- Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: CSmold and H202


I have a patch of black mold behind my sink taps and i put some of my diluted 
H202 solution on it.  It started to fizz so I quickly wiped it off. Would 
anyone know what this is?  I know HP interacts with living things somehow but 
haven't a clue otherwise.  dee

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Re: CSmold and H202

[needling around]

Do you apply the H2O2 over the black salve on subsequent days?
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202


This is a handy piece of info Tel.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:25, Tel Tofflemire wrote:


Sounds like it was killing it?
  I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each 
time before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only 
applied one time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.


Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





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Re: CSH202 - again

[Tel Tofflemire]

Drinking only Distilled water is not good, I have done much research on the 
subject. Google AZOMITE  and you can find the worlds best mineral additive.
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:31:57 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 I can't drink just distilled water, it makes me thirsty!  Also I can't stand 
 the taste - it even tastes my CS.  Having said this--and I know we all have 
 before - at length - I realise that this is probably just me and my 
 taste-buds.  My friend drank my distilled water and loved it--but she doesn't 
 drink tea or coffee so her taste buds are probably not tainted lol  dee
  
I like the taste of distilled water, and have done from my first swallow of it.
Adding other minerals to DW, even a bit of salt just makes it taste 
bad.LOL. Like those bottled waters with minerals added for taste 
taste nasty to me...however, when i feel like i need salt, i can 
drink 4 oz of dw with half a tsp of salt added and it tastes good to me.
different tastes for different people,
life is too short to eat or drink anything that doesn't taste good
sol



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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[sol]

Take a look at PACE
http://www.hypnosisnetwork.com/downloads/?PW378
sol


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Re: CSmold and H202

[Tel Tofflemire]

Yes every tie you change the bandage you spray with fresh H202, but do not 
remove the original Black salve, just spray over it to prevent infections. Then 
apply a new bandage, it takes about 5 to 10 days before the cancer comes out, 
and then you start with Colloidal Silver after the cancer comes out, it will 
heal with no scar.
I can pick this conversation up , but now I am going to Church.

 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:39:39 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202

Do you apply the H2O2 over the black salve on subsequent days?
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202


This is a handy piece of info Tel.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:25, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

 Sounds like it was killing it?
   I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each time 
 before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only applied one 
 time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.
 
 Tel Tofflemire
 Dewey, AZ.
 
 


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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[leslie]

What did Doug Kaufman recommend to get rid of the fungus instead of always 
treating the symptoms. Yes, CS in a nebulizer helps but remember CS is a very 
mild type antibiotic. I have heard of mixing a little bit of DMSO in there and 
there is a yahoo group on DMSO as that is just what I heard.

Leslie
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


   I'm watching to see if there is anyone out there with a solution, I, too am 
searching around for solution for asthma, right now I am doing acupucture, I've 
only had a couple treatments so far.  Dr. Richard Becker has a health book and 
TV program, where he recommends vitamins for asthma (alot of B vitamins).  I 
started this regiment2-3 years ago. Doug Kaughman has a 
  TV program and book, his theory is alot of asthma is fungus related, so diet 
is important.  I am on Avair and a rescue inhaler.  I am like you I would love 
to get off this medication.  Advair is almost $300.00 a month and the resuce 
inhaler is $230.00 a month.  I also have my nebulizer when necessary.  Recently 
I started with Beta Glugan to see if that will help.  Someone on the list 
recommended 'Buteyko Breathing Exercises,  I am going to get the CD on that, 
but I'm leary of 'shalow breathing'.   I juice fresh juices and take a gob of 
vitamins daily and have for years.  I still fight the awful desease every 
winter, in the hospital, full of steroids, anti-botics till I can't think or 
function.  I am praying for you and all asthmatics, as I know what  you are 
going through.Good luck and keep us posted as to the treatment you are 
doing, and if it is doing any good.Thanks for listening...Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


CL?

I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any 
improvement.

Dick





From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
Subject: CSSilver for astmatics


I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma 
meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am 
getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. 
Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were 
the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
Thanks
ron

Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[leslie]

They have DMSO for horses and other animals so you might try a feed store. I 
got mine at Ace Hardware. From what I had read, it shouldn't matter. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


  I'm not sure where to look for DMSO at, the internet has oddles of DMSO, 
where do you get yours?  And I wonder if all the liquid is okay for adding to 
CS and inhaling?..Thanks, Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: Hanneke 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics


Whenever needed for my asthma, and that is very rarely these days, I use my 
nebulizer  with about CS 10 ppm and I add about 5-8 drops of DMSO. With my 
earlier nebulizer I would do that for about 20 minutes. With the ultra sonic it 
is only a few minutes. 

However, I can highly recommend looking into the breathing method of 
Buteyko. . This has helped me off all meds  way back. It's an easy method to 
learn,  basically re-learning to breathe properly. Its application is used for 
many other  conditions involving breathing.  A friend of mine was able to do 
away with the PapC machine (sp?) to which he had to hook himself up every night 
to be able to sleep through the night.  


Please google for  places in USA. It has been introduced in the USA. It 
originates in Russia, is even part of the official health system in Russia for 
asthma patients.

Hanneke


At 08:29 PM 18/04/2010, you wrote:

  CL?

  I'm with you on that -- same situation, same desire to get off big pharma.

  I've inhaled nebulized CS for some time, but have not noticed any 
improvement.

  Dick


  From: Ronald Lowry rblow...@gmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 6:14:40 PM
  Subject: CSSilver for astmatics

  I am a 60 yo male asthmatic who would like to wean himself off my asthma 
meds by substituting CL via a nebulizer.I am in excellent health, but am 
getting tired of supporting big pharmaand being one of their guinea pigs. 
Has any one tried CL as a cure for asthma, how was it delivered, and what were 
the results? Were you able to remove yourself from your prescriptions? 
  Thanks
  ron
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Re: CSYO YO EIS

[Malcolm]

Hi Tom,

We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd
stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put
forth, or straight EIS.  I doubt there's anything to be gained by
titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen
peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator;
stick to plain silver citrate.  Adding H2O2 to EIS?  I dunno, some
people do, some don't.  I make mine as clean as I can and take it
straight.  I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on
inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates
between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the
wiser.  Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid
reactions are as a tiny example of that!

Take care,
Malcolm

On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote:
 Hello Malcolm,
 
 OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions.
 
 Do you think this solution is good for anything?
 
 Would you drink it?
 
 Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body?
 
 Tom
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Malcolm s...@asis.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM
 Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS
 
 
  Hi,
  My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid,
  ascorbic.  It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide.  Here's the
  story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted
  around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc.  Dunno; Marshall or Steve
  are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the
  classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid
  
  Take care, 
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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[sol]

have you tried cs with a little dmso in a neti pot to completely flush 
the sinus cavities? it doesn't sound like the CS is getting deep enough 
into the sinuses to reach the seat of the infection.


fwiw, my asthmatic cat has improved from getting cs straight as her only 
drinking water...but a
human drinking CS as their only source of water might be on the fast 
track to argyria. my grey kitty doesn't care.lol.

sol

Richard Goodwin wrote:
.  Spraying my nose with CS seems to help clear it up for a while, and 
then my asthma gets a little better too.  Maybe I should concentrate 
on the fungus/nose thing more...






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CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

[Lisa]

Hi All,

 

Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the
basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a
dehumidifier running.and it's lots better but definitely still damp. It
wasn't caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on
the walls (almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week
(hopefully.funds are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and
mildew. Does anybody have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting?
Anything would be helpful as I'm just about clueless.we can't afford Serve
Pro or any other professional to come in and help. I do have a pretty good
sized fan (it sounds like an airplane) that I can use.but it's been raining
all weekend (yea.NOT!) and didn't think it made any sense opening up the
windows to potentially allow any more moisture IN.

 

Anybody? Please?

 

And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the
dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) - I honestly don't have a
clue.

 

Thanks SO much.

 

Lisa

Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

[needling around]

I'm not a Young Living entrepreneur but I have used their Purification oil in a 
similar situation when I was staying in a friend's basement room.  She hadn't 
told me it had been flooded.  The mold was terrible and I am sensitive.  
Another friend loaned me a cold diffuser and I kept it running on and off and 
was able to stay in the room.  Once you have done everything else it might be a 
good thing to follow up with.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:18 PM
  Subject: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold


  Hi All,

   

  Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the 
basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a 
dehumidifier running.and it's lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn't 
caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls 
(almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully.funds 
are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody 
have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful 
as I'm just about clueless.we can't afford Serve Pro or any other professional 
to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an 
airplane) that I can use.but it's been raining all weekend (yea.NOT!) and 
didn't think it made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any 
more moisture IN.

   

  Anybody? Please?

   

  And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the 
dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) - I honestly don't have a clue.

   

  Thanks SO much.

   

  Lisa

CSThe FDA Shuts Down Common Infant Vaccine After Startling Discovery

[Christina Mattson]

For those of you with small children who have had the Rotoviris vaccination, 
you should check this out. I wish i had known about CS when my son was a baby. 
Please pass this around.
Tina
 
 
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/17/major-vaccine-suspended-due-to-contamination-with-pig-virus.aspx


  

Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

[Christina Mattson]

Hi Lisa, I have a cold air humidifier (don't know the correct name) it gives 
off a pretty wet steam so im not sure if you would feel comfertable doing this 
but I add 3% H2O2 to the water in it to clean the air. 
I had some Dahlia Tubers that i had planted in Peatmoss because it was cheaper 
than soil and they started to rot right after they sprouted growth. i watered 
and sprayed them with an EIS and H2O2 solution and the next day the foliage had 
perked up again, they are still in the wet peat,. Maybe you could alternate the 
humidifier.  Heres the ratio i used for the humidifier:
Use 1 pint or 16oz. of 3% h2O2 to 1 gallon of water. I used distilled water 
because i don't want to clog up my humidifier. 
For the plant solution i used 1 oz. of EIS, 1oz of 3% H2O2 mixed into 31oz. of 
water, 32 oz. is a quart so i reduced it by 1 oz. because of the EIS. 
Oh and my EIS was 11.2 ppm.
If you do a test patch on the carpet to make sure it doesn't bleach the carpet 
then maybe you could borrow a carpet shampooer and run some through that. I 
don't know if it would harm the shampooer or not. 
Tina
 
 
--- On Sun, 4/18/10, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote:


From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net
Subject: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 12:18 PM








Hi All,
 
Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the 
basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a 
dehumidifier running…and it’s lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn’t 
caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls 
(almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully…funds 
are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody 
have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful 
as I’m just about clueless…we can’t afford Serve Pro or any other professional 
to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an 
airplane) that I can use…but it’s been raining all weekend (yea…NOT!) and 
didn’t think it made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any 
more moisture IN.
 
Anybody? Please?
 
And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the 
dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) – I honestly don’t have a clue.
 
Thanks SO much.
 
Lisa


  

Re: CSmold and H202

[Tel Tofflemire]

 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:45:25 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202


Yes every time you change the bandage you spray with fresh H202, but do not 
remove the original Black salve, just spray over it to prevent infections. Then 
apply a new bandage, it takes about 5 to 10 days before the cancer comes out, 
and then you start with Colloidal Silver after the cancer comes out, it will 
heal with no scar.
I can pick this conversation up , but now I am going to Church.

 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 8:39:39 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202

Do you apply the H2O2 over the black salve on subsequent days?
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: CSmold and H202


This is a handy piece of info Tel.  dee

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:25, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

 Sounds like it was killing it?
   I use H202 on a small skin cancer before I apply the Black Salve, each time 
 before I apply the bandage, even though the Black Salve is only applied one 
 time. It gets a new bandage every day until gone.
 
 Tel Tofflemire
 Dewey, AZ.
 
 


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Re: CSSilver for astmatics

[cking001]

On the internet, I've bought from Jeffers.
It's for my horse (wink, wink, nudge, nudge...)
http://www.jefferspet.com

Also available at health food stores,
or farm supply stores
or tak shops...

Chuck
If you're feeling good, don't worry, you'll get over it.

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 where do you get yours? And I wonder if all the liquid is okay for adding to 
 CS and inhaling?..Thanks, Kathy
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Re: CSH202 - again

[poast]

Hello Leslie,

It is the PWT by Hanna.  There are several sources for it, but I got mine
from Trem at SilverGen.  I think he is selling for around $77 with the
calibration solution.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


 How much does that meter cost? My batteries are out of that TDS (?) meter
 and it takes 4 or 6 which is 6.75 at Utopia. I am not sure that is a
really
 good meter either, so thinking to get another kind. thanks, Leslie
 - Original Message - 
 From: poast po...@prodigy.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:32 AM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


  Hello Leslie,
 
  My son complains of the drinking water in his city.  We took the PWT
meter
  and checked our water, which is absolutely great, and then added sea
salt
  to
  distilled water to get the same conductivity reading.  We came up with
  adding 0.6 grams of the sea salt to 1 gallon of distilled water.
 
  Tom
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
  I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
  minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like
Chlorine.
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
   Dee,
I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for
nearly
   everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
   But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that
  H202
   for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be
   undesireable for those uses.
   sol
  
   Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
   Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled
   water
   when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather
do
   this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.
   I
   noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
  
  
  
  
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Re: CSH202 - again

[poast]

Hello Leslie,

You are going to laugh at this, but we are using Aquarium salt.  My son just
went to the pet store and that is what he came back with.  I have no idea
how it stacks up to the other salts, but fish love it.  I figure if it
doesn't kill the fish it is probably OK to use.

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


 Did you use that Himalaya salt or plain sea salt from the health food
store?
 I use that anyway.
 - Original Message - 
 From: poast po...@prodigy.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:32 AM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


  Hello Leslie,
 
  My son complains of the drinking water in his city.  We took the PWT
meter
  and checked our water, which is absolutely great, and then added sea
salt
  to
  distilled water to get the same conductivity reading.  We came up with
  adding 0.6 grams of the sea salt to 1 gallon of distilled water.
 
  Tom
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
  I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
  minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like
Chlorine.
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
   Dee,
I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for
nearly
   everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
   But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that
  H202
   for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be
   undesireable for those uses.
   sol
  
   Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
   Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled
   water
   when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather
do
   this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.
   I
   noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
  
  
  
  
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Re: CSH202 - again

[leslie]

Probably just fine. Think we humans get the worst of it. I used sea salt 
last night.
- Original Message - 
From: poast po...@prodigy.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again



Hello Leslie,

You are going to laugh at this, but we are using Aquarium salt.  My son 
just

went to the pet store and that is what he came back with.  I have no idea
how it stacks up to the other salts, but fish love it.  I figure if it
doesn't kill the fish it is probably OK to use.

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again



Did you use that Himalaya salt or plain sea salt from the health food

store?

I use that anyway.
- Original Message - 
From: poast po...@prodigy.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


 Hello Leslie,

 My son complains of the drinking water in his city.  We took the PWT

meter

 and checked our water, which is absolutely great, and then added sea

salt

 to
 distilled water to get the same conductivity reading.  We came up with
 adding 0.6 grams of the sea salt to 1 gallon of distilled water.

 Tom


 - Original Message - 
 From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:12 AM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


 I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
 minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like

Chlorine.
 - Original Message - 
 From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


  Dee,
   I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for

nearly

  everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
  But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that
 H202
  for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be
  undesireable for those uses.
  sol
 
  Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
  Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled
  water
  when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather

do
  this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do 
  that.

  I
  noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSYO YO EIS

[poast]

Hello Tony,

My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS.

Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS.
Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS.

Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS.
Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS.

Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS.
Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS.  200 uS is the upper limit of my
meter.

Tom



- Original Message - 
From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS


 Hi Tom,

 How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the
 conductivity

 OK,
 tony

 On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about :
 Subject : CSYO YO EIS

  I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days.
 
  I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS.
 
  I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid.  The solution turned amber
  brown, then went to grey.  However, when I held it up to sunlight, it
  was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey.
 
  I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but
  the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect.
  Conductivity is up to 25 uS.
 
  I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a
  grey solution.
 
  Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up.  At this point the
  conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS.
 
  Once again I add some ascorbic acid.  This time there wasn't much of a
  reaction.  I added a little more, and after some time the solution
  turned to a light grey.
 
  Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again.  Conductivity is
  now up to 115 uS.
 
  Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened.  Added more and finally
  the reaction started.  Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the
  solution is slightly grey.
 
  Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again.  Conductivity is up
  to 185 uS.
 
 
 
  Questions...
 
  What is going on?
 
  Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something?
 
  Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic
  acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration?
 
  Is this similar to what goes on inside the body?
 
  Is this of any use to anyone?
 
  It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value.  I have to
  confess that I am having too much fun.
 
  Tom



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Re: CSH202 - again

[poast]

Hello Ode,

Correction...  Distilled water is like rain water before it falls through
all the dust and other crap in the air.

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


Distilled is like...rain water.
 I'd think that most of your minerals come from food anyhow...but sure,
take
 minerals in either case if you think you need them.

 ode


 At 02:12 PM 4/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
 I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
 minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine.
 - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
 Dee,
   I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly
  everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
 But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that
H202
 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be
 undesireable for those uses.
 sol
 
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water
 when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would rather do
 this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that.  I
 noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
 
 
 
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Re: CSH202 - again

[poast]

Hello Ode,

Mentos and soda pop...?  Is there a story that goes with that?

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again


Your mouth dried out because you slept with it open all night and blew
 wind across everything...leaving the minerals behind.
 The bodies membranes work like intelligent reverse osmosis filters to
 maintain balances. I suppose they can be overloaded, but underloaded is
 questionable.
   I seriously doubt you'll lose anything by drinking pure water, nor do
you
 have any control over how much of *what* minerals are in impure water.
 ..and try getting pure Broccoli or Spinach or deer burger..'tain't no such
 a thang.
 although, it has been rumored that eating too much eggplant WILL make
 you cluck in your sleep all night and grow feathers.

 Oh yea..diluting H2O2 with tap water will probably make the stuff go flat
 faster, like Mentos and soda pop.  Surface nucleation of bubbles...not to
 mention oxidizing any organic content.

 ode




 At 02:36 PM 4/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
 WOW. I was wondering as at night my mouth gets dry like I am dehydrated.
 Thanks for responding. Leslie
 - Original Message - From: needling around
ptf2...@bellsouth.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:29 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
 I have read that distilled water not only does not provide the body with
 minerals but actually acts as a magnet and draws them out of the body.
I
 read this a long time ago and it seemed plausible.
 PT
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
 I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra
 minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like
Chlorine.
 - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: CSH202 - again
 
 
 Dee,
   I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for
nearly
  everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water.
 But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that
 H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to
 be undesireable for those uses.
 sol
 
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled
 water when making my 3% H202.  If it is alright to use tap I would
 rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will
 do that.  I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water.  dee
 
 
 
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Re: CSYO YO EIS

[poast]

Hello Malcolm,

While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop.
This batch will be played with to death and never consumed.

The saga continues.

I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH.  The PH
had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8.

Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately
turned clear again.  I added more and the same thing happened.  More is
added and the same thing happens again.

Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest
of the solution is clear.  I just shook it up to see what happens.

The PH is now back to 4.6.  Very interesting stuff.  I hold it up to the
light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray.  When I turn around
and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber.

I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the
solution is staying clear.

Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times
and see what happens.

Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out.

Tom


- Original Message - 
From: Malcolm s...@asis.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS


 Hi Tom,

 We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd
 stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put
 forth, or straight EIS.  I doubt there's anything to be gained by
 titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen
 peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator;
 stick to plain silver citrate.  Adding H2O2 to EIS?  I dunno, some
 people do, some don't.  I make mine as clean as I can and take it
 straight.  I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on
 inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates
 between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the
 wiser.  Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid
 reactions are as a tiny example of that!

 Take care,
 Malcolm

 On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote:
  Hello Malcolm,
 
  OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions.
 
  Do you think this solution is good for anything?
 
  Would you drink it?
 
  Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body?
 
  Tom
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Malcolm s...@asis.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS
 
 
   Hi,
   My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid,
   ascorbic.  It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide.  Here's the
   story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted
   around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc.  Dunno; Marshall or Steve
   are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the
   classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen.
  
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid
  
   Take care,
   Malcolm
 
 
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Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

[poast]

Hello Lisa,

I would suggest mixing up a chlorous acid solution and fogging it in.  

If you don't have a fogger, a garden sprayer will work.

Chlorous acid is made by adding citric acid to sodium chlorite.  

Do you have access to these chemicals or know anything about them?

When you apply this to the room, it will stabilize the situation.  It will keep 
mold and mildew from forming, and kill off any that is just starting to form.

Let me know if you want to go this way and I can give you the mixing 
instructions and all the help you need in applying it.

Tom
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:18 PM
  Subject: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold


  Hi All,

   

  Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the 
basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a 
dehumidifier running.and it's lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn't 
caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls 
(almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully.funds 
are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody 
have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful 
as I'm just about clueless.we can't afford Serve Pro or any other professional 
to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an 
airplane) that I can use.but it's been raining all weekend (yea.NOT!) and 
didn't think it made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any 
more moisture IN.

   

  Anybody? Please?

   

  And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the 
dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) - I honestly don't have a clue.

   

  Thanks SO much.

   

  Lisa

Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

[Leslie]

Isn't that MMS? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: poast 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold


  Hello Lisa,

  I would suggest mixing up a chlorous acid solution and fogging it in.  

  If you don't have a fogger, a garden sprayer will work.

  Chlorous acid is made by adding citric acid to sodium chlorite.  

  Do you have access to these chemicals or know anything about them?

  When you apply this to the room, it will stabilize the situation.  It will 
keep mold and mildew from forming, and kill off any that is just starting to 
form.

  Let me know if you want to go this way and I can give you the mixing 
instructions and all the help you need in applying it.

  Tom
- Original Message - 
From: Lisa 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold


Hi All,

 

Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the 
basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a 
dehumidifier running.and it's lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn't 
caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls 
(almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully.funds 
are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody 
have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful 
as I'm just about clueless.we can't afford Serve Pro or any other professional 
to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an 
airplane) that I can use.but it's been raining all weekend (yea.NOT!) and 
didn't think it made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any 
more moisture IN.

 

Anybody? Please?

 

And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the 
dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) - I honestly don't have a clue.

 

Thanks SO much.

 

Lisa

Re: CSYO YO EIS

[Malcolm]

Hi Tom,

Cool.  Did you get any bubbles with the sodium bicarbonate?  Wonder
where the CO3 - or 2  part went?  Possibly the silver is oxidised and
lying at the bottom all tuckered out (my WAG), possibly you've made some
sodium ascorbate from the baking soda??  The color effect might be the
difference between what colors your brew Transmits; i.e. dark amber, and
what it Reflects; bluish grey?  If no Tyndall, how come the diff between
transmitted and reflected light?  Tyndall doesn't just mean big enough
to see sparklies, ya know, so what is interfering with the light? -
truly tiny microscopic particles, I'd guess, so Tyndall-time.  And
another angle is the sorta complementary relationship (color-wheel)
between amber and blue-grey.

Well, hey;
onward and upward
M.

On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 18:24 -0800, poast wrote:
 Hello Malcolm,
 
 While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop.
 This batch will be played with to death and never consumed.
 
 The saga continues.
 
 I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH.  The PH
 had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8.
 
 Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately
 turned clear again.  I added more and the same thing happened.  More is
 added and the same thing happens again.
 
 Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest
 of the solution is clear.  I just shook it up to see what happens.
 
 The PH is now back to 4.6.  Very interesting stuff.  I hold it up to the
 light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray.  When I turn around
 and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber.
 
 I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the
 solution is staying clear.
 
 Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times
 and see what happens.
 
 Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out.
 
 Tom
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Malcolm s...@asis.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:11 AM
 Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS
 
 
  Hi Tom,
 
  We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd
  stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put
  forth, or straight EIS.  I doubt there's anything to be gained by
  titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen
  peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator;
  stick to plain silver citrate.  Adding H2O2 to EIS?  I dunno, some
  people do, some don't.  I make mine as clean as I can and take it
  straight.  I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on
  inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates
  between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the
  wiser.  Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid
  reactions are as a tiny example of that!
 
  Take care,
  Malcolm
 
  On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote:
   Hello Malcolm,
  
   OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions.
  
   Do you think this solution is good for anything?
  
   Would you drink it?
  
   Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body?
  
   Tom
  
  
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: Malcolm s...@asis.com
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM
   Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS
  
  
Hi,
My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid,
ascorbic.  It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide.  Here's the
story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted
around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc.  Dunno; Marshall or Steve
are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the
classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen.
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid
   
Take care,
Malcolm
  
  
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Re: CSYO YO EIS

[Roger Barker]

Just as a matter of interest. Does anyone know how to make/mix the  
calibration solution for a pH meter?


Cheers, Roger B
NZ


On 19/04/2010, at 2:24 PM, poast wrote:


Hello Malcolm,

While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply  
stop.

This batch will be played with to death and never consumed.

The saga continues.

I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the  
PH.  The PH

had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8.

Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost  
immediately
turned clear again.  I added more and the same thing happened.   
More is

added and the same thing happens again.

Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but  
the rest

of the solution is clear.  I just shook it up to see what happens.

The PH is now back to 4.6.  Very interesting stuff.  I hold it up  
to the
light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray.  When I  
turn around

and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber.

I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and  
that the

solution is staying clear.

Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few  
more times

and see what happens.

Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out.

Tom




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