CS>Getting my email program set up again, Yay!

2010-06-02 Thread AnnieBSmythe
*Groan* I have to redo a my filters and folders. EGads I must have 
had two hundred of the darned things! I hate setting up stuff on a new 
box, it takes forever! And I just despise the way gmail does their 
messages in threads!


Annie


Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread Ode Coyote
  If you feel a need for more Camphor, you can still buy it as a pure oil 
or block and I suppose you can still eat it and get a buzz...or if too 
much, die.
Looks as though kids were having seizure problems with the fumes.  Camphor 
is quite toxic, after all.  Usefully toxic, with caution.
 Vicks VR apparently has enough to still work and kill a mite or 
tick...which was the point.

I've heard similar ruminations about how Prep H was ruined.

Might put half the blame on idiotic people?

Ode

At 10:40 AM 6/1/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Its the camphor in it that kills ticks, camphor is very potent. It used to 
be, Vicks had a higher concentration of camphor, but the FDA got all angry 
because it was curing stuff, so they limited any sale in the US to be 10% 
or less refined camphor.  The US version of Tiger Balm is very poor 
quality, the one you get off Ebay from Thailand, now that's the good 
stuff.  Around 20% camphor!
If you have an asian grocery store around, you can find "Monkey Holding 
Peach" which is even more potent than any of them. It's purely medicinal, 
and amazing.. Stops pains in seconds, stops headaches. I think it is 
around 25% camphor, along with other good stuff in it. I have a few 
satchels of it around here.


Vicks today, is a distant cousin of the vastly more effective medicinal 
Vicks from days past before the FDA tyranny.


Ode Coyote wrote:
I just found out that Vicks Vapo Rub kills ticks just as well as it kills 
Mange mites...makes em slippery enough to tug out easy too...and no more 
itching.


Ode




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Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread Ode Coyote



  I had one dug into my back where I couldn't reach it with anything but a 
hard stretch and a Q Tip.
Thoughtgee VVR did great on the GFs dog mange mites, why not a 
tick?...and tried it.
 Dabbed some on the sucker and waited an hour, then wiped him with a 
butter knife edge...came right out DOR [dead on removal] and none of the 
usual after itch...just a small reddish spot that went away pretty fast.


Ode


At 08:21 AM 6/1/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Ode,
How did you discover that? WOW!
Thanks.
sms
 
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 6/1/2010 7:31:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>ya might wanna know

I just found out that Vicks Vapo Rub kills ticks just as well as it kills
Mange mites...makes em slippery enough to tug out easy too...and no more
itching.

Ode



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Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
Camphor comes in several varieties. Camphor Yellow, or pure unrefined 
camphor is tough to find, it's fairly toxic, and was used in illicit 
drug manufacturing so (they) claim. It was also extremely medicinal in 
tiny dosages, and cured cancer.  Distilled White Camphor isn't toxic 
unless a fairly large quantity is consumed, but then so is water, 
right?  This is the real stuff you find around from essential oil 
companies, and is great for cleaning and working around the home, and safe.


Camphor "blocks" and other things, are almost 100% guaranteed to be 
synthetic camphor, which is usually from China, and which is toxic. It 
doesn't take a whole lot of the fake stuff to cause problems. Kids were 
eating the blocks, and having trouble. But even this was quite rare, and 
very isolated, bad parents. Other camphor, such as wood chips, edible, 
and other things is really quite non-toxic.


Camphor was used when I was a kid to kill "Astral-Induced-Colds" 
otherwise known as "Influenza", which means something similar "Astral 
Cold" in early lingo. It was recognized (correctly) back then that these 
matters were occult influenced, hence the name influenza (Night Astral 
Visitation, etc). It is also recognized that it just so happens - 
camphor is effective against this. Wonder why the govt. wants effective, 
natural camphor out of the hands of the people?  Probably why virtually 
everything they 'promote' sort of sets people up for harmful occult 
influence - like poisoning your body, and screwing up your meridians.  
We've been setup!


Anyway, as an energy sensitive, I detect incoming cold/flu as electrical 
pulses around my face. I stop them by dabbing camphor (monkey, tiger, 
whatever) at specific spots on my face, and going back to sleep. Haven't 
had a cold or flu in half a decade. Dab on each temple just back from 
the eye, dab on your third eye, dab on your nose, under your nose as 
well. You are good to go, no more 'occult' influence'za.


Camphor(the real stuff) has spiritual significance in many traditions.  
Buddha called camphor one of the 7 great substances. I do recall reading 
studies where camphor cured metastasized cancer through introduction to 
lymph nodes. It has a ton of uses, I keep a big bottle around the home, 
and it sees regular use. But edible camphor is the ticket for the 
satchels I want to hang in my closet to dispel stagnant energies. in 
Feng Shui, Camphor collectives negative energies of all types, and 
dissolves it into the ether as it dissolves and leaves no traces.


Ode Coyote wrote:
  If you feel a need for more Camphor, you can still buy it as a pure 
oil or block and I suppose you can still eat it and get a buzz...or if 
too much, die.
Looks as though kids were having seizure problems with the fumes.  
Camphor is quite toxic, after all.  Usefully toxic, with caution.
 Vicks VR apparently has enough to still work and kill a mite or 
tick...which was the point.

I've heard similar ruminations about how Prep H was ruined.

Might put half the blame on idiotic people?

Ode

At 10:40 AM 6/1/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Its the camphor in it that kills ticks, camphor is very potent. It 
used to be, Vicks had a higher concentration of camphor, but the FDA 
got all angry because it was curing stuff, so they limited any sale 
in the US to be 10% or less refined camphor.  The US version of Tiger 
Balm is very poor quality, the one you get off Ebay from Thailand, 
now that's the good stuff.  Around 20% camphor!
If you have an asian grocery store around, you can find "Monkey 
Holding Peach" which is even more potent than any of them. It's 
purely medicinal, and amazing.. Stops pains in seconds, stops 
headaches. I think it is around 25% camphor, along with other good 
stuff in it. I have a few satchels of it around here.


Vicks today, is a distant cousin of the vastly more effective 
medicinal Vicks from days past before the FDA tyranny.


Ode Coyote wrote:
I just found out that Vicks Vapo Rub kills ticks just as well as it 
kills Mange mites...makes em slippery enough to tug out easy 
too...and no more itching.


Ode




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Re: CS>ya might wanna know....ticks

2010-06-02 Thread sms
No bullseye rash?
Just checking.
I'm sure you were full to the brim with your CS, right?
---Original Message---
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 06/02/10 05:20:42
Subject: Re: CS>ya might wanna know
   I had one dug into my back where I couldn't reach it with anything but a
hard stretch and a Q Tip.
Thoughtgee VVR did great on the GFs dog mange mites, why not a
tick?...and tried it.
  Dabbed some on the sucker and waited an hour, then wiped him with a
butter knife edge...came right out DOR [dead on removal] and none of the
usual after itch...just a small reddish spot that went away pretty fast.
Ode
 
 

RE: CS>ya might wanna know....ticks

2010-06-02 Thread Dianne France

I have heard that when a tick dies still attached that it regurgitates upon 
death (if attached) and you want to pull them off by surprise so the toxins 
don't go into the host.
 


Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:58:38 -0700
From: s...@emotap.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>ya might wanna knowticks










No bullseye rash?
Just checking.
I'm sure you were full to the brim with your CS, right?

---Original Message---

From: Ode Coyote
Date: 06/02/10 05:20:42
Subject: Re: CS>ya might wanna know
   I had one dug into my back where I couldn't reach it with anything but a
hard stretch and a Q Tip.
Thoughtgee VVR did great on the GFs dog mange mites, why not a
tick?...and tried it.
  Dabbed some on the sucker and waited an hour, then wiped him with a
butter knife edge...came right out DOR [dead on removal] and none of the
usual after itch...just a small reddish spot that went away pretty fast.
Ode
 
 






  
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Re: CS>Distilled water question Ode

2010-06-02 Thread ZZekelink
In a message dated 6/1/2010 10:11:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
odecoy...@windstream.net writes:

If it  looks like something you'd use...use it.
If it looks odd, use it with some  caution or toss it.
If that happens twice in a row, change something. [or  call it a discovery 
and see if you can do it three times  ]

Ode
Doggone ode---I just luv your  reasoningLois


CS> One more reason to use ACV

2010-06-02 Thread ZZekelink
 
Thank goodness for this site & others that help our  health !!! Lois 
This from--Health Freedom Alliance Alert  May 31,2010 
Some heartburn medications could increase the risk of hip, wrist and spine  
fractures in high doses or with long-term use, the Food and Drug 
Administration  warned. Such so-called proton pump inhibitors are used for the 
treatment of  gastroesophageal reflux disease, stomach and small intestine 
ulcers 
and  inflammation of the esophagus, along with frequent heartburn. They 
include esomeprazole, sold under the brand name  Nexium, dexlansoprazole 
(Dexilant). lansoprazole (Prevacid), omeprazole  (Prilosec, Zegerid), 
pantoprazole 
(Protonix) and rabeprazole (Aciphex).  Over-the-counter versions include 
omeprazole (Prilosec OTC, Zegerid OTC) and  lansoprazole (Prevacid 24HR). 
The product labeling will be changed to describe the possible increased 
risk,  the FDA said in a statement Tuesday.


Re: CS>Camphor (vicks vapo rub )

2010-06-02 Thread ZZekelink
I have a friend who used vicks to cure her toenail fungus. It  worked for 
her.  Just put it on her toe nails & pushed it under them as  far as she 
could...At night she slept with her socks on with a plentiful gob on  each 
toe... Lois


Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
I stopped by the local Indian Grocery, very cool place.  Clean, well 
organized, good scents, not like the Chinese Groceries that smell of 
rotting socks and dead fish, hehe.


Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC herbs 
and spices, as far as the eye can see.  I picked up a huge bag of 
/ground cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive stuff, 
cloves are very medicinal.  I purchased some type of powder for brushing 
your teeth, about the only thing English on it was "Teeth good clean". 
Worth a try for a buck. I picked up some soaps to try, one is only Neem, 
Soap, Camphor, what a great combination for soap.  Another bar I got 
said only "Medicine Soap", and had 18 herbs and spices in it, can't wait 
to try that. One bar of soap was called "Swastika Soap", I had to buy 
that. Of course it has the non-reversed swastik, which is a symbol of 
purity, and life, not the reversed Nazi one. I plan on dropping the 
wrapper in front of a Synagoge. (just kidding)


I bought 2 boxes of pure, natural camphor.  Each box contains 20 
individual packets at 10 grams each, so that's actually quite a lot of 
pure 100% camphor. Couple squares in each closet and we're good to go 
with that.  You can easily melt it down for whatever you want as well, 
make your own stuff like Steve says. Very strong scent, I love it.  They 
had giant bags of Turmeric, which I recommend people purchase and add to 
as many dishes as possible, it's a potent liver cleanser and high ORAC 
product. I keep a 1 pound sack on hand, and anything in my home that I 
cook has a yellow tint.   I sort of treat my kitchen like an 
apothecary, I'm basically making healing substances for people when I 
cook, and treat it as a sacred endeavor.


The shop had a good vibe, and in fact most stuff in there was pretty 
high vibration. Unlike the cursed trash from dark corporations in most 
US stores, this place was actually energetically pleasant to shop in. 
(Cal. 500) 


bodhisattva wrote:
Camphor comes in several varieties. Camphor Yellow, or pure unrefined 
camphor is tough to find, it's fairly toxic, and was used in illicit 
drug manufacturing so (they) claim. It was also extremely medicinal in 
tiny dosages, and cured cancer.  Distilled White Camphor isn't toxic 
unless a fairly large quantity is consumed, but then so is water, 
right?  This is the real stuff you find around from essential oil 
companies, and is great for cleaning and working around the home, and 
safe.


Camphor "blocks" and other things, are almost 100% guaranteed to be 
synthetic camphor, which is usually from China, and which is toxic. It 
doesn't take a whole lot of the fake stuff to cause problems. Kids 
were eating the blocks, and having trouble. But even this was quite 
rare, and very isolated, bad parents. Other camphor, such as wood 
chips, edible, and other things is really quite non-toxic.


Camphor was used when I was a kid to kill "Astral-Induced-Colds" 
otherwise known as "Influenza", which means something similar "Astral 
Cold" in early lingo. It was recognized (correctly) back then that 
these matters were occult influenced, hence the name influenza (Night 
Astral Visitation, etc). It is also recognized that it just so happens 
- camphor is effective against this. Wonder why the govt. wants 
effective, natural camphor out of the hands of the people?  Probably 
why virtually everything they 'promote' sort of sets people up for 
harmful occult influence - like poisoning your body, and screwing up 
your meridians.  We've been setup!


Anyway, as an energy sensitive, I detect incoming cold/flu as 
electrical pulses around my face. I stop them by dabbing camphor 
(monkey, tiger, whatever) at specific spots on my face, and going back 
to sleep. Haven't had a cold or flu in half a decade. Dab on each 
temple just back from the eye, dab on your third eye, dab on your 
nose, under your nose as well. You are good to go, no more 'occult' 
influence'za.


Camphor(the real stuff) has spiritual significance in many 
traditions.  Buddha called camphor one of the 7 great substances. I do 
recall reading studies where camphor cured metastasized cancer through 
introduction to lymph nodes. It has a ton of uses, I keep a big bottle 
around the home, and it sees regular use. But edible camphor is the 
ticket for the satchels I want to hang in my closet to dispel stagnant 
energies. in Feng Shui, Camphor collectives negative energies of all 
types, and dissolves it into the ether as it dissolves and leaves no 
traces.


Ode Coyote wrote:
  If you feel a need for more Camphor, you can still buy it as a pure 
oil or block and I suppose you can still eat it and get a buzz...or 
if too much, die.
Looks as though kids were having seizure problems with the fumes.  
Camphor is quite toxic, after all.  Usefully toxic, with caution.
 Vicks VR apparently has enough to still work and kill a mite or 
tick...which was the point.

I've heard similar ruminations about how 

CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

2010-06-02 Thread ZZekelink
 
Steve, where can you get edible camphor on line  ??  {{& the incense} 
Thanks, Lois

Indian groceries also sell a Camphor  as a burning incense. It is 100% 
Camphor but of a lower quality that is not  edible. But it may be cheaper and 
good enough for many uses. I found the  edible Camphor in the incense area of 
the grocery. Perhaps they can bring it  into the country only for religous 
incense purposes although they do cook with  it. 

- Steve N



 


CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread Brickeyk
I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle, filled 
 with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on my 
toenails  twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail fungus. I am 
now 
trying  10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled with olive oil. Vicks 
did not help,  used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths and EIS foot baths did not 
cure the fungus. I  even tried one bottle of tee tree and olive oil, no help. 
My toenails are much  better but still have several thick toenails.
 
One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough to get 
 it under the toenails.
Brickey


CS>Holistic Doctor (UNCLASSIFIED)

2010-06-02 Thread Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

How would I find Holistic Doctors in my area.
I live in Suburbs of Detroit Mi.

Bob
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




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Re: CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread Tony Moody
Hi Brickey,

Did you try the electric footbath? The design is on the last page of this 
article. mold_toxins.pdf Is just the thing for fungus.

MOLD AND LYME TOXINS Richard Loyd, Ph.D. Mold toxins are found in ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
These mold and Lyme toxins attach to fat cells and cause the fat cells to 
continually ... Mold and Lyme toxin patients may make antibodies to 
myelin with ...
http://www.royalrife.com/mold_toxins.pdf

OK,
Tony


On 2 Jun 2010 at 14:04, brick...@aol.com wrote about :
Subject : CS>Neem

> I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle,
> filled 
>  with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on my 
> toenails  twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail
> fungus. I am now 
> trying  10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled with olive oil.
> Vicks 
> did not help,  used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths and EIS foot baths did
> not 
> cure the fungus. I  even tried one bottle of tee tree and olive oil, no
> help. 
> My toenails are much  better but still have several thick toenails.
>  
> One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough to
> get 
>  it under the toenails.
> Brickey
> 



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RE: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

2010-06-02 Thread Norton, Steve
I haven't seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place in
Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can get the
incense from a lot of places:

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&resnum=1&q=camphor+puja+price&um=1&;
ie=UTF-8&ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&r
esnum=11&ved=0CE0QrQQwCg

http://www.google.com/products?q=Camphor+Tablets+price&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF
-8&ei=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=
3&ved=0CC8QrQQwAg

And Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU

http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ref=pd_
sim_bt_1

http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/B003E
IL2T8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6


-   Steve N

From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

Steve, where can you get edible camphor on line ??  {{& the incense}
Thanks, Lois
Indian groceries also sell a Camphor as a burning incense. It is 100%
Camphor but of a lower quality that is not edible. But it may be cheaper
and good enough for many uses. I found the edible Camphor in the incense
area of the grocery. Perhaps they can bring it into the country only for
religous incense purposes although they do cook with it. 

- Steve N
 


Re: CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread AnnieBSmythe
Try a turmeric paste as well. Powdered turmeric added to your oil and 
whatever until it makes a thick paste smear it on and cover it with an 
old sock. Apply morning and evening. It will stain the sock yellow. It 
will make the skin yellow too but that will fade. Keep using the paste 
until the fungus is gone and then maybe twice a week as a deterrent. 
Turmeric paste is also great for boils, furunkles or whatever you call them.


Annie


On 6/2/2010 1:04 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote:
I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle, 
filled with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on 
my toenails twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail 
fungus. I am now trying 10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled 
with olive oil. Vicks did not help, used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths 
and EIS foot baths did not cure the fungus. I even tried one bottle of 
tee tree and olive oil, no help. My toenails are much better but still 
have several thick toenails.
One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough 
to get it under the toenails.

Brickey




Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread Renee
Just be sure you do 'something' with those herbs, because they are all
radiated when they are brought in.  It's to kill any bugs hidden in the
spices. 
 
samala,
Renee
www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt 
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps 
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 
 
---Original Message---
 
Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC herbs
and spices, as far as the eye can see.  I picked up a huge bag of
/ground cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive stuff,
cloves are very medicinal.  

Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread Garrick
*I stopped by the local Indian Grocery, very cool place.  Clean, well
organized, good scents, not like the Chinese Groceries that smell of rotting
socks and dead fish, hehe.

Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC herbs and
spices, as far as the eye can see.  I picked up a huge bag of /ground
cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive stuff, cloves are
very medicinal.  I purchased some type of powder for brushing your teeth,
about the only thing English on it was "Teeth good clean". Worth a try for a
buck. I picked up some soaps to try, one is only Neem, Soap, Camphor, what a
great combination for soap.  Another bar I got said only "Medicine Soap",
and had 18 herbs and spices in it, can't wait to try that. One bar of soap
was called "Swastika Soap", I had to buy that. Of course it has the
non-reversed swastik, which is a symbol of purity, and life, not the
reversed Nazi one. I plan on dropping the wrapper in front of a Synagoge.
(just kidding)* *

I bought 2 boxes of pure, natural camphor.  Each box contains 20 individual
packets at 10 grams each, so that's actually quite a lot of pure 100%
camphor. Couple squares in each closet and we're good to go with that.  You
can easily melt it down for whatever you want as well, make your own stuff
like Steve says. Very strong scent, I love it.  They had giant bags of
Turmeric, which I recommend people purchase and add to as many dishes as
possible, it's a potent liver cleanser and high ORAC product. I keep a 1
pound sack on hand, and anything in my home that I cook has a yellow tint.
  I sort of treat my kitchen like an apothecary, I'm basically making
healing substances for people when I cook, and treat it as a sacred
endeavor.* *

The shop had a good vibe, and in fact most stuff in there was pretty high
vibration. Unlike the cursed trash from dark corporations in most US stores,
this place was actually energetically pleasant to shop in. (Cal. 500) * *
bodhisattva wrote:*


I get cayenne real cheap at my local Indian store. Cumin seeds were a
bargain. You might find these smaller darker chickpeas in yours. They have
more fiber and are more primitive. Eating them is almost like eating brown
rice. You have to chew. They have lots of unique beans. I see mung beans
which I think the Indians eat rather than sprout

I like their low heat cayenne...30,000 unit is ideal. Just consume more if
you want spicier.

NOW foods has Camphor
oil
x  I will look in the local Indian store for camphor

garrick


RE: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread Norton, Steve
FYI, in the US, you cannot buy camphor oil. Camphor essential oil has
almost no camphor in it. See:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor

 

" In 1980, the United States Food and Drug Administration set a limit of
11% allowable camphor in consumer products and totally banned products
labeled as camphorated oil, camphor oil, camphor liniment, and
camphorated liniment (except "white camphor essential oil", which
contains no significant amount of camphor)."

 

 - Steve N

 

 

From: Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>ya might wanna know

 


NOW foods has Camphor oil
   x  I will look in the local
Indian store for camphor

garrick



Re: CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread Beverly

brick...@aol.com wrote:
I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle, 
filled with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on 
my toenails twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail 
fungus. I am now trying 10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled 
with olive oil. Vicks did not help, used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths 
and EIS foot baths did not cure the fungus. I even tried one bottle of 
tee tree and olive oil, no help. My toenails are much better but still 
have several thick toenails.
 
One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough 
to get it under the toenails.

Brickey
My neem becomes more liquid when warmed up room temp. I keep it in the 
laundry room which isn't air conditioned.in the rest of the house it 
becomes much thickerFor my toe nail fungus, it was so bad I lost 2/3 
of the nail I used vinegar twice a day takes the length of time it takes 
to grow outjust straight vinegar from a dropper under and around the 
nail..took a good month  or two. This after the Doc said I needed to 
go on anti-fungal for 90 days then off for 90 days then back on for 90 
days..I said no thank you I'll find something else.I had the 
neem and tea tree oil but read about someone curing self with 
vinegarthat's all I used and it worked for me.



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Re: CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread Brickeyk
 
In a message dated 6/2/2010 11:52:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
a...@new.co.za writes:

Did you  try the electric footbath? The design is on the last page of this 


Yes. I used 9 VDC battery, Dr Beck's zapper, and my GB-4000 (no diode) in  
the MMS and EIS foot baths. I was thinking I might have to hook up a diode 
like  DR Loyd suggests but never got around to it. I also quit using two tubs 
in favor  of one big tub, so not like he said to do. I saved Dr Loyds pdf 
this time. The  oil of oregano looks like it is doing some good. 
Brickey


Re: CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
I have a fast fungal cure, like instantly..  Cayenne+Garlic capsules.. 
Cured ringworm in 1 application, and an ear fungus on my son in a couple 
applications (this was many years ago).


I used these (broke open, placed topically): 
http://www.puritan.com/garlic-supplements-060/deodorized-garlic-cayenne-007700?NewPage=1


brick...@aol.com wrote:
I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle, 
filled with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on 
my toenails twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail 
fungus. I am now trying 10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled 
with olive oil. Vicks did not help, used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths 
and EIS foot baths did not cure the fungus. I even tried one bottle of 
tee tree and olive oil, no help. My toenails are much better but still 
have several thick toenails.
 
One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough 
to get it under the toenails.

Brickey




Re: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
Careful some of those are synthetic camphor.  Unless it says "Pure 
Camphor" it's usually synthetic, and I know for a fact DEER and the 
other chinese ones are synthetic, I know a wholesaler of them. In fact, 
many wholesalers sell synthetic unless you ASK for pure, because pure 
costs more. I have pure camphor oil 100%, from an essential oil seller, 
that's probably the best way to purchase it. I like the blocks for the 
closet though, to keep the spooks out.


Norton, Steve wrote:


I haven't seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place 
in Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can 
get the incense from a lot of places:


_http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&resnum=1&q=camphor+puja+price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CE0QrQQwCg_ 



_http://www.google.com/products?q=Camphor+Tablets+price&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CC8QrQQwAg_ 



And Amazon:

_http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU_

_http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ref=pd_sim_bt_1_

_http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/B003EIL2T8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6_






Re: CS>ya might wanna know....ticks

2010-06-02 Thread Sunny
Have I missed something.. what's VVR?   Husband suggests digging a pin into the 
tick if it's dug in.. and pulling it out like that?  what d'y'all think?
 
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Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 11:36:21 AM
Subject: RE: CS>ya might wanna knowticks

 I have heard that when a tick dies still attached that it regurgitates upon 
death (if attached) and you want to pull them off by surprise so the toxins 
don't go into the host.
 

 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:58:38 -0700
From: s...@emotap.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>ya might wanna knowticks

 
No bullseye rash?
Just checking.
I'm sure you were full to the brim with your CS, right?
---Original Message---
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 06/02/10 05:20:42
Subject: Re: CS>ya might wanna know
   I had one dug into my back where I couldn't reach it with anything but a
hard stretch and a Q Tip.
Thoughtgee VVR did great on the GFs dog mange mites, why not a
tick?...and tried it.
  Dabbed some on the sucker and waited an hour, then wiped him with a
butter knife edge...came right out DOR [dead on removal] and none of the
usual after itch...just a small reddish spot that went away pretty fast.
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Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
Sadly, you are right, our govt. seems to enjoy radiating everything 
these days. It's ridiculous. Anyway, the cloves have 2 disharmonious 
freqs in them, which of course will be pulled out. They calibrate at 
600, once I pulled the 2 bad freqs, they jumped to around 850.


Renee wrote:
Just be sure you do 'something' with those herbs, because they are 
all radiated when they are brought in.  It's to kill any bugs hidden 
in the spices. 
 
samala,

Renee
www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt  
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 
 
/---Original Message---/
 
Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC herbs

and spices, as far as the eye can see.  I picked up a huge bag of
/ground cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive stuff,
cloves are very medicinal.  








Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
Of course, anything really effective, not controllable by 'them', is 
quickly banned, restricted, or otherwise dis-info'd out of the way of 
American Citizens.


IF you know how to find stuff, and find the right people, and prove you 
aren't a gestapo-fed, you can still get all of this stuff. It's not 
illegal to own it, it's illegal to sell it - sometimes.  As I noted, 
even the 'real' Tiger Balm isn't allowed to be sold OTC in this country. 
High percentage, colored iodine is, but if you know where to get it, 
it's not hard to find.  Zicam Swabs were amazing for stopping a cold 
before they get going, too amazing, they had to shut that one down, but 
some of us had some foresight of that, and picked up a few years supply, 
which are priceless now.  I love my local  Monkey Holding Peach seller, 
he looks at you, then goes "No fed?", then pulls out the box.. LOL!  I 
feel so sneaky buying it, gives me giggles.


Olive Gold 03 maker is basically underground, the stuff is amazing, and 
cures tons of stuff. But if you go to his website you find a single 
page, with a phone number, this is a guy that knows what reality is 
http://olivegold03.com/ .  This guy isn't playing around, because he 
knows what's at stake, and knows how fast 'they' will try to discredit 
or shut him down. (Think Cansema, Reich, whatever)  Only a couple people 
make really really effective negative ionizers, these things are 
amazingly beneficial, why only 2 people? The stuff sold at Walmart 
doesn't work, I've tested them, zero negative ions come off them.  This 
is by design, they don't want people having this stuff I guess.


There's an entire underground network of people that have already cured 
this and that, and quietly share that data with others within the 
network, or new arrivals. Including sources of the things they need. 
Often for free, or very cheap, or for trade for something else.  Sooner 
people en mass, figure out that we have a Nazi's in charge in this 
country, the better off we'll be.  It could be changing, more people 
speaking out, sharing information, and less people having 'mysterious' 
accidents happen to them, probably too many waking up to be contained, 
and that's a good thing for humanity.



Norton, Steve wrote:


FYI, in the US, you cannot buy camphor oil. Camphor essential oil has 
almost no camphor in it. See:


 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor

 

" In 1980, the United States Food and Drug Administration set a limit 
of 11% allowable camphor in consumer products and totally banned 
products labeled as camphorated oil, camphor oil, camphor liniment, 
and camphorated liniment (except "white camphor essential oil", which 
contains no significant amount of camphor)."


 


 - Steve N

 

 


*From:* Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:44 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>ya might wanna know

 



NOW foods has Camphor oil 
  
x  I will look in the local Indian store for camphor






Re: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

2010-06-02 Thread Paula Perry
Title: RE: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve


I got some camphor essential oil at Starwestbotanicals.com
They sell a lot of organic herbs. What exactly are people using the camphor for?
Paula
-Original Message- From: bodhisattva Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve Careful some of those are synthetic camphor.  Unless it says "Pure Camphor" it's usually synthetic, and I know for a fact DEER and the other chinese ones are synthetic, I know a wholesaler of them. In fact, many wholesalers sell synthetic unless you ASK for pure, because pure costs more. I have pure camphor oil 100%, from an essential oil seller, that's probably the best way to purchase it. I like the blocks for the closet though, to keep the spooks out.Norton, Steve wrote: 

I haven’t seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place in Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can get the incense from a lot of places:
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&resnum=1&q=camphor+puja+price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CE0QrQQwCg
http://www.google.com/products?q=Camphor+Tablets+price&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CC8QrQQwAg
And Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU
http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ref=pd_sim_bt_1
http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/B003EIL2T8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6


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RE: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

2010-06-02 Thread Lisa
Where do you get the pure essential oil?

 

  _  

From: bodhisattva [mailto:bodhisat...@mutemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:18 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

 

Careful some of those are synthetic camphor.  Unless it says "Pure Camphor"
it's usually synthetic, and I know for a fact DEER and the other chinese
ones are synthetic, I know a wholesaler of them. In fact, many wholesalers
sell synthetic unless you ASK for pure, because pure costs more. I have pure
camphor oil 100%, from an essential oil seller, that's probably the best way
to purchase it. I like the blocks for the closet though, to keep the spooks
out.

Norton, Steve wrote: 

I haven't seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place in
Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can get the
incense from a lot of places:

 

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&resnum=1&q=camphor+puja+price&um=1&ie=U
TF-8&ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=11
&ved=0CE0QrQQwCg

 

http://www.google.com/products?q=Camphor+Tablets+price&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&e
i=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0C
C8QrQQwAg

And Amazon:

 
http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU

 

http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ref=pd_sim_
bt_1

 

http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/B003EIL2T
8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6

 

 



Re: CS>ya might wanna know....

2010-06-02 Thread Garrick
http://www.essentialoils.co.za/essential-oils/camphor.htm#Summary

Best I can tell real camphor oil is for sale in the USAhere is another
seller besides NOW foods

garrick




On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

>  FYI, in the US, you cannot buy camphor oil. Camphor essential oil has
> almost no camphor in it. See:
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor
>
>
>
> " In 1980, the United States Food and Drug Administration set a limit of
> 11% allowable camphor in consumer products and totally banned products
> labeled as camphorated oil, camphor oil, camphor liniment, and camphorated
> liniment (except "white camphor essential oil", which contains no
> significant amount of camphor)."
>
>
>
>  - Steve N
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:44 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>ya might wanna know
>
>
>
>
> NOW foods has Camphor 
> oil
> x  I will look in the local Indian store for camphor
>
> garrick
>



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Re: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

2010-06-02 Thread bodhisattva
Well the really really strong stuff, is illegal. But you can still find 
it.. I can't really say where at the risk of losing a source. But if you 
ask around, perhaps 'Contact' some Ebay sellers they can direct you.


However, you can find some selling pretty darn potent stuff on Ebay. 
Take a look around there.. Avoid the Chinese one IMO.


http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Pure-Camphor-Essential-Oil-Aromatherapy-Grade-/260511947843?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ca7b8dc43

Edible Camphor is rare, even my Indian Grocery only had tiny tiny 
bottles for $3.00 each.. Not enough to do what I want with it. I want a 
pound of it actually. I ended up buying their pure camphor blocks - 100% 
natural, not synthetic junk. I like to keep it in closets to burn up 
negative energy that coagulates in stagnant locations. Also a good 
spiritual ward.


Early texts indicate camphor had a reputation of being able to virtually 
bring someone back to life that was on the verge of death, or nearly 
already dead. You can find some documents about this if you dig. You can 
still find these injections around, really old stuff.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Camphor-Oil-Park-Davis-co-Intramuscular-injection-/300433215185?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f3370ed1



Lisa wrote:


Where do you get the pure essential oil?



*From:* bodhisattva [mailto:bodhisat...@mutemail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:18 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>Re: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve

Careful some of those are synthetic camphor. Unless it says "Pure 
Camphor" it's usually synthetic, and I know for a fact DEER and the 
other chinese ones are synthetic, I know a wholesaler of them. In 
fact, many wholesalers sell synthetic unless you ASK for pure, because 
pure costs more. I have pure camphor oil 100%, from an essential oil 
seller, that's probably the best way to purchase it. I like the blocks 
for the closet though, to keep the spooks out.


Norton, Steve wrote:

I haven’t seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place 
in Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can 
get the incense from a lot of places:


http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&resnum=1&q=camphor+puja+price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CE0QrQQwCg 



http://www.google.com/products?q=Camphor+Tablets+price&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0J&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CC8QrQQwAg 



And Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU

http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ref=pd_sim_bt_1

http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/B003EIL2T8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6




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Re: CS>Neem

2010-06-02 Thread ted mozell
What the heck i will jump in here!! And  thank one of our members for a
protocol that really worked for me thank you Poast  it does work !!!  that
is for foot fungus on feet and under nails Sodium Chlorite and hcl you have
to break down the mixtures to be able to soak your feet for one hour  a day
 for five days straight it was the only thing that worked for me  Be Well
 Ted

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:15 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

>  I have a fast fungal cure, like instantly..  Cayenne+Garlic capsules..
> Cured ringworm in 1 application, and an ear fungus on my son in a couple
> applications (this was many years ago).
>
> I used these (broke open, placed topically):
>
> http://www.puritan.com/garlic-supplements-060/deodorized-garlic-cayenne-007700?NewPage=1
>
>
> brick...@aol.com wrote:
>
>  I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle,
> filled with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on my
> toenails twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail fungus. I
> am now trying 10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled with olive oil.
> Vicks did not help, used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths and EIS foot baths did
> not cure the fungus. I even tried one bottle of tee tree and olive oil, no
> help. My toenails are much better but still have several thick toenails.
>
> One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough to get
> it under the toenails.
> Brickey
>
>
>


Re: CS>Holistic Doctor (UNCLASSIFIED)

2010-06-02 Thread cking001
Places like this...
http://tinyurl.com/29p5psq

Chuck
I used to work in a fire hydrant factory
... But, you couldn't park anywhere near the place.
 

On 6/2/2010 2:49:42 PM, Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC
(robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil) wrote:
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> How would I find Holistic Doctors in my area.
> I live in Suburbs of Detroit Mi.
> 
> Bob
> 


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Re: CS>ya might wanna know - irradiation

2010-06-02 Thread Kathryn Clayton
so how do you do this? and eating radiated food is not my idea of good fun.  
How can they radiate *everything* that comes in? there are so many ports, and 
so much stuff that comes thru... 

kathryn

On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:44 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

> Sadly, you are right, our govt. seems to enjoy radiating everything these 
> days. It's ridiculous. Anyway, the cloves have 2 disharmonious freqs in them, 
> which of course will be pulled out. They calibrate at 600, once I pulled the 
> 2 bad freqs, they jumped to around 850.
> 
> Renee wrote:
>> 
>> Just be sure you do 'something' with those herbs, because they are all 
>> radiated when they are brought in.  It's to kill any bugs hidden in the 
>> spices. 
>>  
>> samala,
>> Renee
>> www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt 
>> Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps
>> you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 
>>  
>> ---Original Message---
>>  
>> Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC herbs
>> and spices, as far as the eye can see.  I picked up a huge bag of
>> /ground cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive stuff,
>> cloves are very medicinal.  
>> 
>> 


Re: CS>ya might wanna know - irradiation

2010-06-02 Thread Roger Barker
This makes me wonder if there is a way, for the average person, to test 
food/supplements etc to see if they have been radiated and if so what can be 
done to help reverse the effect?

Cheers, Roger B



On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:44 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

Sadly, you are right, our govt. seems to enjoy radiating everything these days. 
It's ridiculous. Anyway, the cloves have 2 disharmonious freqs in them, which 
of course will be pulled out. They calibrate at 600, once I pulled the 2 bad 
freqs, they jumped to around 850.



Re: CS>Things ya might NOT wanna know - irradiation

2010-06-02 Thread Malcolm
Hi Kathryn,
I'm aware of two methods; one for domestic products, like chicken, the
other for all trucks crossing the Mexico-California border.  The chicken
one has a slug of -I believe cobalt- in a shielded room through which a
conveyor passes.  The chicken is packaged then the packages passed
through the shielded room on the conveyor; the pellet of radioactive
stuff -cobalt or ??- is itself shielded as well when the process is not
in motion, and the idea is to reduce spoilage by killing the microbes
after all the yucky mechanical processing is over, in the now sterile
plastic package of meat.

The other method(s); one involves a long articulated arm, at the
CA-Mexico border, to scan the contents of a truck from the outside; or a
tunnel with an x-ray tube or whatever that scans the shipping containers
and their contents through the sides,top and bottom at a sea-port.  It
takes a pretty hefty X-ray to scan through steel, but almost all freight
- food, machinery, you name it - is transported in cargo containers and
the whole process is probably automated at sea-ports.

I'd be mostly concerned with sea-food, i.e. shellfish, where whatever
iodine they may have in them might retain radioactivity - dunno, just a
thought.

Take care,
Malcolm



On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:28 -0500, Kathryn Clayton wrote:
> so how do you do this? and eating radiated food is not my idea of good
> fun.  How can they radiate *everything* that comes in? there are so
> many ports, and so much stuff that comes thru... 
> 
> 
> kathryn
> 
> On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:44 PM, bodhisattva wrote:
> 
> > Sadly, you are right, our govt. seems to enjoy radiating everything
> > these days. It's ridiculous. Anyway, the cloves have 2 disharmonious
> > freqs in them, which of course will be pulled out. They calibrate at
> > 600, once I pulled the 2 bad freqs, they jumped to around 850.
> > 
> > Renee wrote: 
> > > Just be sure you do 'something' with those herbs, because they are
> > > all radiated when they are brought in.  It's to kill any bugs
> > > hidden in the spices. 
> > >  
> > > samala,
> > > Renee
> > > www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt 
> > > Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps 
> > > you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 
> > >  
> > > ---Original Message---
> > >  
> > > Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC
> > > herbs
> > > and spices, as far as the eye can see.  I picked up a huge bag of
> > > /ground cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive
> > > stuff,
> > > cloves are very medicinal.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 


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